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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Newsdreams on October 13, 2016, 09:37:43 PM
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https://twitter.com/matt_velazquez/status/786755637871075329
Very worried about turnovers :-\
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In this weeks episode of "Teal Thoughts":
- 2016-17 season's gimmick turns out to be balloons? If Wojo was a seasoned and respected coach he wouldn't have to resort to kids birthday party tricks.
- No Sacre mention.........SMH
- Great! Duane is emerging as the leader. We can't have a transfer being the team leader.
- Big Fishy shouldn't be practicing 15 footers...he'll be fouled out before he can attempt any shots.
- The whole article needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Newspapers are a dying business and we should hate everything about them.
- It looks like Sam really does have tremendous upside
(honestly - everything in Matt's notes, except the TO's, makes me feel better about the season's opportunities)
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Matty V is the man.
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Great article. I'd love to see this kind of in-depth, behind-the-scenes coverage throughout the season.
So we've got the balloons. Where are the seashells?
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Great article. I'd love to see this kind of in-depth, behind-the-scenes coverage throughout the season.
So we've got the balloons. Where are the seashells?
In the sand filled water bottles.
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Great article. I'd love to see this kind of in-depth, behind-the-scenes coverage throughout the season.
So we've got the balloons. Where are the seashells?
We are not worthy!!!
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I hear the ice-cream truck shows up if there are balloons left at the end of practice.
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In this weeks episode of "Teal Thoughts":
- 2016-17 season's gimmick turns out to be balloons? If Wojo was a seasoned and respected coach he wouldn't have to resort to kids birthday party tricks.
- No Sacre mention.........SMH
- Great! Duane is emerging as the leader. We can't have a transfer being the team leader.
- Big Fishy shouldn't be practicing 15 footers...he'll be fouled out before he can attempt any shots.
- The whole article needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Newspapers are a dying business and we should hate everything about them.
- It looks like Sam really does have tremendous upside
(honestly - everything in Matt's notes, except the TO's, makes me feel better about the season's opportunities)
Why would he be?
Not on the team.
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In crunch time I think you will see Rowsey, Duane, JJJ, Reinhardt, and Fish closing out games (with a mix of Haanif).
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In crunch time I think you will see Rowsey, Duane, JJJ, Reinhardt, and Fish closing out games (with a mix of Haanif).
You better sub on the defensive end.
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In an "oh crap" moment, I realize the new JS website (ownership) means the auto feeds are no longer working. If someone finds an RSS feed for his articles (or blog? does that still exist), shoot me a PM with the link.
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In an "oh crap" moment, I realize the new JS website (ownership) means the auto feeds are no longer working. If someone finds an RSS feed for his articles (or blog? does that still exist), shoot me a PM with the link.
I found the old MJS interface much more user friendly than the Gannett platform.
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I found the old MJS interface much more user friendly than the Gannett platform.
Not to sound like an old man, but it's a pretty terrible web GUI and I refuse to read anything on MJS that isn't Marquette related. I don't mind the survey pop-up(gotta make money) but everything else is pretty terrible to use.
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Not to sound like an old man, but it's a pretty terrible web GUI and I refuse to read anything on MJS that isn't Marquette related. I don't mind the survey pop-up(gotta make money) but everything else is pretty terrible to use.
No one who uses the term "GUI" is not an old man. :)
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No one who uses the term "GUI" is not an old man. :)
4never is exceedingly aged & says "gooey" quite often
Let's pretend we believed Sandy's def & dreb'ing were a cut above the rest... crazy?:
Markus, Haanif, JjJ, Sandy, Luke to start
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In crunch time I think you will see Rowsey, Duane, JJJ, Reinhardt, and Fish closing out games (with a mix of Haanif).
That'll probably be the starting roster, maybe -duane +Cheatham
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4never is exceedingly aged & says "gooey" quite often
Let's pretend we believed Sandy's def & dreb'ing were a cut above the rest... crazy?:
Markus, Haanif, JjJ, Sandy, Luke to start
Carter, Haanif, JjJ, Sandy, Luke to start in at least non-conference
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Carter, Haanif, JjJ, Sandy, Luke to start in at least non-conference
People keep saying this but... Katin and Rowsey did not transfer to ride the bench. Much like Trent Lockett.
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People keep saying this but... Katin and Rowsey did not transfer to ride the bench. Much like Trent Lockett.
Actually, I forgot about Katin
Carter, Haanif, JjJ, Katin, Luke
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People keep saying this but... Katin and Rowsey did not transfer to ride the bench. Much like Trent Lockett.
I don't believe Lockett started at the beginning of the season either.
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People keep saying this but... Katin and Rowsey did not transfer to ride the bench. Much like Trent Lockett.
None of them were promised a starting job. Minutes are what matters and they will have to be earned. Rowsey and Reinhardt are no different from any other player on the team.
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55 on the 5x10? Holy sh#tsnacks... that's Novak-esque right there. And Markus is at 58? Good lord... if any semblance of that can translate to the court, start clearing your schedule in March.
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Actually, I forgot about Katin
Carter, Haanif, JjJ, Katin, Luke
Yup, that's my guess as well
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55 on the 5x10? Holy sh#tsnacks... that's Novak-esque right there. And Markus is at 58? Good lord... if any semblance of that can translate to the court, start clearing your schedule in March.
I've learned to always keep my March schedule open. The last few years its been too open.
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Actually, I forgot about Katin
Carter, Haanif, JjJ, Katin, Luke
Correct. Write it down. The interesting thing will be the rotation and minutes distribution 6-9.
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55 on the 5x10? Holy sh#tsnacks... that's Novak-esque right there. And Markus is at 58? Good lord... if any semblance of that can translate to the court, start clearing your schedule in March.
I watched all those guys shoot with keen interest at Madness. Katin and Rowsey have flawless form. Sammy has a very nice shot too. Markus has 'good' form that he repeats with precision. We're going to truly threaten teams from deep.
And guess what? That opens things up heading inside for our already accomplished slashers.
And guess what else? We won't have two big bodies down there that sometimes got in the way last year.
I sincerely believe our offense takes a big step forward in efficiency this year. Just have to avoid popping those turnover balloons and hold our own on the defensive glass.
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55 on the 5x10? Holy sh#tsnacks... that's Novak-esque right there. And Markus is at 58? Good lord... if any semblance of that can translate to the court, start clearing your schedule in March.
True...but Novak is literally a foot taller than Rowsey.
Rowsey could be the next Mo Acker or he could be the next...well, any sub-6 footer who can shoot the lights out as long as no one is within 6 feet of him.
I'm not trying to knock Rowsey, I hope he ends up being great, but I think that some on here are setting themselves up to be disappointed.
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True...but Novak is literally a foot taller than Rowsey.
Rowsey could be the next Mo Acker or he could be the next...well, any sub-6 footer who can shoot the lights out as long as no one is within 6 feet of him.
I'm not trying to knock Rowsey, I hope he ends up being great, but I think that some on here are setting themselves up to be disappointed.
or god forbid the next jake thomas who can shoot lights out in practice and warm ups but not in games
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or god forbid the next jake thomas who can shoot lights out in practice and warm ups but not in games
I know that makes people shudder, and the leap from South Dakota to the BE is bigger than the Big South to the BE, but I would be lying if I said that thought didn't cross my mind.
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I know that makes people shudder, and the leap from South Dakota to the BE is bigger than the Big South to the BE, but I would be lying if I said that thought didn't cross my mind.
If Rowsey put up "senior year Cubillan" type numbers (7 pts, 2-3 ast, 41% from 3), I'd be very pleased.
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Rowsey or Reinhardt don't have to be the second coming of Steve Novak to help this team.
Last season we shot 33.9% from 3-point range, behind more than 200 other teams in the country. And that was on just 572 attempts — fewer than 260+ other teams. Pretty pathetic.
In other words, if Andrew and Katin connect on 35% of their threes (not exactly a high standard), we'll be better than we were a year ago. If they manage to reach the 38-40% range, we'll be dramatically better. Anything above that could be pretty amazing.
Let's hold off a bit before comparing these guys to one of college basketball's all-time long-distance shooters.
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I know that makes people shudder, and the leap from South Dakota to the BE is bigger than the Big South to the BE, but I would be lying if I said that thought didn't cross my mind.
All true, but nobody ever said Thomas was the best guard in the Kasten gym either. Rowsey can play. I think the big question is how he fares against bigger guys. That's still to be seen, at least by us on the outside.
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I don't really put a lot of stock in the "best guy in the practice gym" type statements until I see it on the court versus real competition. I have heard that too many times and the only one to ever exceed those statements was Wade.
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Rowsey or Reinhardt don't have to be the second coming of Steve Novak to help this team.
Last season we shot 33.9% from 3-point range, behind more than 200 other teams in the country. And that was on just 572 attempts — fewer than 260+ other teams. Pretty pathetic.
In other words, if Andrew and Katin connect on 35% of their threes (not exactly a high standard), we'll be better than we were a year ago. If they manage to reach the 38-40% range, we'll be dramatically better. Anything above that could be pretty amazing.
Let's hold off a bit before comparing these guys to one of college basketball's all-time long-distance shooters.
Exactly. Our historical reference points tend to be the stars but getting Maurice Acker (9 ppg, 49% 3-pt) or Cooby (as poster above pointed out) numbers could well make all the difference in whether we dance.
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Correct. Write it down. The interesting thing will be the rotation and minutes distribution 6-9.
I will say, I don't think Carter gets more 20 minutes a game even though he starts. Will be too difficult to keep Rowsey and Markus from getting 20 minutes combined at the 1.
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I don't really put a lot of stock in the "best guy in the practice gym" type statements until I see it on the court versus real competition. I have heard that too many times and the only one to ever exceed those statements was Wade.
On the nose. It's akin to "he's looked great in training camp" in the NFL. Been burned in fantasy drafts by that old saw enough to know that almost everyone looks great in training camp (or the practice gym).
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I will say, I don't think Carter gets more 20 minutes a game even though he starts. Will be too difficult to keep Rowsey and Markus from getting 20 minutes combined at the 1.
It will because they can both play off ball, plus I see Markus getting more time at the 2 anyways. I know Jay bee has the biggest hard on for Markus but lets not forget he is only 17. Lets not give him the Vander and JJJ freshman year treatment.
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Rowsey will be in double digits. While he won't be anywhere close to a Novak type shooter, he'll be closer to Novak than he is to Thomas.
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I don't really put a lot of stock in the "best guy in the practice gym" type statements until I see it on the court versus real competition. I have heard that too many times and the only one to ever exceed those statements was Wade.
Fair enough. Understand that I'm not suggesting that Rowsey is 'great', just that I don't think he's walk on Thomas.
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Asking those who may know.
How much quickness is out there with these shooters? Is the release smooth and quick?
If they can't get open looks and take awhile to launch a shot, MU will be in for some long nights at the mason convention.
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Asking those who may know.
How much quickness is out there with these shooters? Is the release smooth and quick?
If they can't get open looks and take awhile to launch a shot, MU will be in for some long nights at the mason convention.
Reinhardt and Rowsey have quick releases. Howard has a pretty quick release, but a bit slower. Hauser's is slower but he's taller so he doesn't need it to be as quick.
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Reinhardt and Rowsey have quick releases. Howard has a pretty quick release, but a bit slower. Hauser's is slower but he's taller so he doesn't need it to be as quick.
I agree with this analysis.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but to me Hauser reminds me of a 6'7" version of the 6' Riley LaChance. Does everything pretty well, best asset is the ability to shoot the ball, but doesn't have a huge weakness. Very high IQ, doesn't force things (too much), great footwork, but isn't some freak athlete who will blow by someone off the dribble. Just tough players who won't beat themselves.
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Rowsey could be the next Mo Acker or he could be the next...well, any sub-6 footer who can shoot the lights out as long as no one is within 6 feet of him.
Incidentally, Hicks was about 6 feet away from Jenkins.
https://www.youtube.com/e/wO15bt0UP1g
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Rowsey could be the next Mo Acker or he could be the next...well,
Gary Rosenberger?
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Gary Rosenberger?
I'm thinking white Aaron Hutchins.
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the leap from South Dakota to the BE is bigger than the Big South to the BE
Wat?
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Wat?
Maybe I'm overrating the Big South???
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If Rowsey put up "senior year Cubillan" type numbers (7 pts, 2-3 ast, 41% from 3), I'd be very pleased.
Same
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What are the chances Dominic James is supplying the balloons for practice?
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What are the chances Dominic James is supplying the balloons for practice?
(http://i.imgur.com/0PoqQMo.gif)
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Traci Carter will not be consistently finishing important games. Rowsey can handle the ball and shoots free throws in the 90% range. His turnover rate at asheville was half that of Carter. I don't see what some on this board see in him, he's a backup PG at best.
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I don't think you can write off a freshman point guard who was basically forced to start because they had no other alternative. He may not end up being all that, but I think he will grow into a solid player.
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I see Rowsey as playing 25+ minutes everyday. Reliable player with experience. I think he will avg. around 15 ppg throughout the season with at least 2 games at 25 points +.
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Offense this year..... draw and kick.....space floor......Sam swish....
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/787035354364796928
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Offense this year..... draw and kick.....space floor......Sam swish....
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/787035354364796928
Interesting pairings there. Traci, HC, Luke, Katin all are likely to be starters and are on the same team with.....Sam.
Actually, upon further review it seems they are playing 4v4, no Luke on the floor. Never mind.
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Traci Carter will not be consistently finishing important games. Rowsey can handle the ball and shoots free throws in the 90% range. His turnover rate at asheville was half that of Carter. I don't see what some on this board see in him, he's a backup PG at best.
Carter has a point brain and great attacking instincts. He has good form on his shot too, which I expect to get more consistent over time. He will be a very valuable upperclassman, of that I am certain.
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In this weeks episode of "Teal Thoughts":
- 2016-17 season's gimmick turns out to be balloons? If Wojo was a seasoned and respected coach he wouldn't have to resort to kids birthday party tricks.
- No Sacre mention.........SMH
- Great! Duane is emerging as the leader. We can't have a transfer being the team leader.
- Big Fishy shouldn't be practicing 15 footers...he'll be fouled out before he can attempt any shots.
- The whole article needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Newspapers are a dying business and we should hate everything about them.
- It looks like Sam really does have tremendous upside
(honestly - everything in Matt's notes, except the TO's, makes me feel better about the season's opportunities)
Or Matt.
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Incidentally, Hicks was about 6 feet away from Jenkins.
https://www.youtube.com/e/wO15bt0UP1g
Best Championship game finish this century or perhaps the last.
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Offense this year..... draw and kick.....space floor......Sam swish....
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/787035354364796928
As long as Sam is guarded by a slow-rotating 5.
And they are playing 4 on 4 following coincidental minor penalties.
But I agree; I think Sam is one of the several options we will have on offense this year.
As regards the defense, I fall somewhere between cautiously pessimistic and full-on nauseous.
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Of course Rowsey had a better turnover rate, just look at his percent of shots taken. When you're putting up around 30% of the shots, you won't have the ball long enough to turn it over. Silly comparison to make.
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Offense this year..... draw and kick.....space floor......Sam swish....
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/787035354364796928
Defense this year....they scored?......that's alright....we will just draw and kick....space floor......attempted 3.
They scored? .....that's alright...repeat.
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Rowsey or Reinhardt don't have to be the second coming of Steve Novak to help this team.
Last season we shot 33.9% from 3-point range, behind more than 200 other teams in the country. And that was on just 572 attempts — fewer than 260+ other teams. Pretty pathetic.
In other words, if Andrew and Katin connect on 35% of their threes (not exactly a high standard), we'll be better than we were a year ago. If they manage to reach the 38-40% range, we'll be dramatically better. Anything above that could be pretty amazing.
Let's hold off a bit before comparing these guys to one of college basketball's all-time long-distance shooters.
Early prediction, we shoot almost 5% higher this year than last. Predicting 38.5%.
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or god forbid the next jake thomas who can shoot lights out in practice and warm ups but not in games
Jake Thomas shot 39% on 172 attempts his senior year.
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The only thing missing from this picture is Paul westhead, Eyn'a?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/03/05/loyola-marymount-hank-gathers-death-25-years-bo-kimble-paul-westhead/24447175/
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Jake Thomas shot 39% on 172 attempts his senior year.
And was a walk-on who earned a scholarship, hustled and hit some key shots for MU (Syracuse, Butler Maui) or spread the floor effectively (Davidson). It wasn't Jake's fault that the two guard slotted to start couldn't perform off the court.
Same thing with Derrick. Starting PG was supposed to be Duane.
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And was a walk-on who earned a scholarship, hustled and hit some key shots for MU (Syracuse, Butler Maui) or spread the floor effectively (Davidson). It wasn't Jake's fault that the two guard slotted to start couldn't perform off the court.
Same thing with Derrick. Starting PG was supposed to be Duane.
Yea, that team was a hot mess with Vander declaring early, Duane getting hurt, and Mayo being Mayo.
If Vander stays, that's a completely different team cause I still think he would have been the starting PG.
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Yea, that team was a hot mess with Vander declaring early, Duane getting hurt, and Mayo being Mayo.
If Vander stays, that's a completely different team cause I still think he would have been the starting PG.
Actually, Mayo was rather decent as a junior. But the torn meniscus surgery and the broken nose delayed and disrupted his start to the season. He was really a force on offense down the stretch. People seem to forget that. He became the old Mayo again after Buzz left.
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True...but Novak is literally a foot taller than Rowsey.
Rowsey could be the next Mo Acker or he could be the next...well, any sub-6 footer who can shoot the lights out as long as no one is within 6 feet of him.
I'm not trying to knock Rowsey, I hope he ends up being great, but I think that some on here are setting themselves up to be disappointed.
I guess that you're not very high on Markus Howard then.
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Actually, Mayo was rather decent as a junior. But the torn meniscus surgery and the broken nose delayed and disrupted his start to the season. He was really a force on offense down the stretch. People seem to forget that. He became the old Mayo again after Buzz left.
He was always the "old Mayo."
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He was always the "old Mayo."
Maybe, but he was on better behavior as a junior and was very productive once he got his minutes.
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Of course Rowsey had a better turnover rate, just look at his percent of shots taken. When you're putting up around 30% of the shots, you won't have the ball long enough to turn it over. Silly comparison to make.
Disagree, Rowsey was used on nearly 30% of the possessions and played 90% of the minutes. Usually guys that are relied upon to make plays and score the ball turn it over more. Not to mention fatigue. All Traci was supposed to do was bring the ball up and pass it. He couldn't even do that. If he starts this year then Howard and Rowsey aren't as good as I think they'll be and MU will struggle. He's a solid backup PG.
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Disagree, Rowsey was used on nearly 30% of the possessions and played 90% of the minutes. Usually guys that are relied upon to make plays and score the ball turn it over more. Not to mention fatigue. All Traci was supposed to do was bring the ball up and pass it. He couldn't even do that. If he starts this year then Howard and Rowsey aren't as good as I think they'll be and MU will struggle. He's a solid backup PG.
Or Traci has improved from his freshmen to his sophomore year as you know.......sometimes happens.
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Disagree, Rowsey was used on nearly 30% of the possessions and played 90% of the minutes. Usually guys that are relied upon to make plays and score the ball turn it over more. Not to mention fatigue. All Traci was supposed to do was bring the ball up and pass it. He couldn't even do that. If he starts this year then Howard and Rowsey aren't as good as I think they'll be and MU will struggle. He's a solid backup PG.
I just don't think the numbers bear that out. Look at our point guard compared to our highest shot percentage players over the past few years:
- 2015: Derrick Wilson (20.6%) had a higher turnover rate than Matt Carlino (17.8%) or Duane Wilson (16.6%).
- 2014: Derrick Wilson (20.1%) had a higher turnover rate than Jamil Wilson (16.7%)and Davante Gardner (10.0%).
- 2013: Junior Cadougan (25.8%) had a higher turnover rate than Jamil Wilson (17.3%) and Vander Blue (18.6%).
- 2012: Junior Cadougan (29.1%) had a higher turnover rate than DJO (15.8%) and Jae Crowder (9.7%).
- 2011: Dwight Buycks (25.8%) had a higher turnover rate than DJO (15.3%), Jimmy Butler (11.4%), and Jae Crowder (8.6%).
So the past five years, our starting point guard has had a higher turnover rate than our leading playmakers/scorers every single year. Before that, Acker and James were better, but it's hard for a true point to have a low turnover rate because they do have the ball in their hands so much and their possessions are less likely to end in shots (which, even when missed, don't count as turnovers).
Traci was a pass-first point guard while Rowsey was primarily a shooter. Rowsey took more than twice as many shots on a percentage basis and had a significantly lower assist rate. Rowsey was focused on shooting, Carter was focused on passing. It's just not a very good comparison.
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Yeah but Rowsey played PG, he just happens to be a scoring PG. Plus All those players you compared to Junior and Derrick Wilson were much better players. Derrick Wilson might be the worst 2 year starting QB in recent MU history.
Back to the point, carter won't be finishing games. He turns ball over, can't shoot and can't hit FTs. He's a nice energy player off the bench. if he's the PG for 25 minutes, look for another year of futility.
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So again...you have already decided that Traci will be the same player this season that he was as a frosh?
That may prove to be true but many players make improvements as they get older. Skills get better......decision making improves...etc.
I think you are making a premature assumption.
Let's see how the season plays out.
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Also, where does the bad free throw shooter come from? He was 75% from the line last year which is serviceable. Can't wait until Traci plays close to 30 minutes a game next year. Our offense was at its best when he was in the game.
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Back to the point, carter....can't hit FTs.
Carter shot well from the line as a freshman. Unfortunately, that doesn't matter.
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Early prediction, we shoot almost 5% higher this year than last. Predicting 38.5%.
Not saying you are wrong, but that would make us a top 25 3pt shooting team.
If you are correct and we can rebound a little bit....definitely dancing.
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Henry was a bad 3 pt shooter and yet he continued to throw them up with the second most attempts on the team. Just swapping his attempts for Katin's will raise the team average by almost 2%. Add a year of experience to the other guys plus Rowsey plus more maturity in point guard play and adding another 3% is within reason.
I don't think scoring will be the 2016-17 team's problem. Much more concerned about being able to stop the other team.
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Henry was a bad 3 pt shooter and yet he continued to throw them up with the second most attempts on the team. Just swapping his attempts for Katin's will raise the team average by almost 2%. Add a year of experience to the other guys plus Rowsey plus more maturity in point guard play and adding another 3% is within reason.
I don't think scoring will be the 2016-17 team's problem. Much more concerned about being able to stop the other team.
I don't think they'll have issues with defense in the sense that they can keep teams from getting really good looks....it'll be in rebounding shots after decent looks that is of concern. The stat to watch this season will be second chance points, that will tell the tale.
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Not saying you are wrong, but that would make us a top 25 3pt shooting team.
Further, we may project at a higher 3FGA/FGA% than most of those top 25...
5% higher 3FG%? I'd take it (nh)
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38.5% would tie us with duke for 24th best in the country last year.
Wojo to duke confirmed...
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I don't think they'll have issues with defense in the sense that they can keep teams from getting really good looks....it'll be in rebounding shots after decent looks that is of concern. The stat to watch this season will be second chance points, that will tell the tale.
If teams are mostly shooting outside shots then a guard heavy lineup should be able to rebound in space, in fact we could be better off by being "quicker to the ball". My concern is that our guys allow too much penetration (as they have in the past) and then even if the first try doesn't go in the other team gets 2nd and 3rd shots along with "and ones". That and bigger teams just living in the post against us. Thankfully there aren't a lot of teams these days built around low post offense.
Regardless I think we'll see a lot more high scoring games.
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If teams are mostly shooting outside shots then a guard heavy lineup should be able to rebound in space, in fact we could be better off by being "quicker to the ball". My concern is that our guys allow too much penetration (as they have in the past) and then even if the first try doesn't go in the other team gets 2nd and 3rd shots along with "and ones". That and bigger teams just living in the post against us. Thankfully there aren't a lot of teams these days built around low post offense.
Regardless I think we'll see a lot more high scoring games.
You aren't wrong, and I think there will be some very exciting games at the BC this year if offense is your thing.