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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Marcus92 on September 29, 2016, 04:29:59 PM
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A look at this year's roster shows a number of significant differences from just a season ago:
Haanif Cheatham
6-5/180 (2015-16)
6-5/195 (2016-17) +15 lbs
Jajuan Johnson
6-5/200 (2015-16)
6-5/205 (2016-17) +5 lbs
Sandy Cohen
6-6/180 (2015-16)
6-6/200 (2016-17) +20 lbs
Katin Reinhardt
6-6/215 (2015-16)
6-6/210 (2016-17) -5 lbs
Sam Hauser
6-6/185 (2015-16)
6-7/225 (2016-17) +1 inch, +40 lbs
Matt Heldt
6-10/225 (2015-16)
6-10/245 (2016-17) +20 lbs
Luke Fisher
6-11/245 (2015-16)
6-11/250 (2016-17) +5 lbs
Hopefully, bigger = stronger = won't get pushed around as much = better rebounding. Especially for Heldt, Cohen, Hauser and even Cheatham.
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Hauser +40 lbs? On his way to become Davante, hey?
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Hauser +40 lbs? On his way to become Davante, hey?
6'6" 185 is pretty f'ing skinny.
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6'6" 185 is pretty f'ing skinny.
Not if he gains another 40 lbs! :P
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For comparison, Lazar Hayward was listed at 6-6/215 during his freshman season (2006-07). Totally different roster, of course, but he played in every game averaging 16.3 mpg, 6.6 ppg and 3.6 rpg.
As much as we need rebounding, it's possible that Sam becomes a regular part of the rotation. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets more playing time than Wally did last season.
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A look at this year's roster shows a number of significant differences from just a season ago:
Haanif Cheatham
6-5/180 (2015-16)
6-5/195 (2016-17) +15 lbs
Jajuan Johnson
6-5/200 (2015-16)
6-5/205 (2016-17) +5 lbs
Sandy Cohen
6-6/180 (2015-16)
6-6/200 (2016-17) +20 lbs
Katin Reinhardt
6-6/215 (2015-16)
6-6/210 (2016-17) -5 lbs
Sam Hauser
6-6/185 (2015-16)
6-7/225 (2016-17) +1 inch, +40 lbs
Matt Heldt
6-10/225 (2015-16)
6-10/245 (2016-17) +20 lbs
Luke Fisher
6-11/245 (2015-16)
6-11/250 (2016-17) +5 lbs
Hopefully, bigger = stronger = won't get pushed around as much = better rebounding. Especially for Heldt, Cohen, Hauser and even Cheatham.
What? They couldn't rebound last season and now they're fat and that equals better rebounding.
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What? They couldn't rebound last season and now they're fat and that equals better rebounding.
Dude, we know you think we suck. But come on. If you think Todd Smith would let them gain any fat, your crazy.
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Dude, we know you think we suck. But come on. If you think Todd Smith would let them gain any fat, your crazy.
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Dude, we know you think we suck. But come on. If you think Todd Smith would let them gain any fat, your crazy.
Dude, I don't think anything. I just don't know if we are as good as many here think we are or as bad until they show us either way on the court.
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Dude, I don't think anything. I just don't know if we are as good as many here think we are or as bad until they show us either way on the court.
So why do you post about how bad we are in every thread there is?
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So why do you post about how bad we are in every thread there is?
Why do others post about how great we are? Over the last 3 seasons we were really bad and without Henry last season may have been just as bad as Wojo's first.
We'll see if Wojo is turning this ship in the right direction by the results we'll see on the court, not on potential talent or statistical analysis; just by how well they play the game. Right now I'm not seeing it until proven otherwise. If we win 20 this year and still don't make the post season I'll be a little more optimistic.
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Why do others post about how great we are? Over the last 3 seasons we were really bad and without Henry last season may have been just as bad as Wojo's first.
We'll see if Wojo is turning this ship in the right direction by the results we'll see on the court, not on potential talent or statistical analysis; just by how well they play the game. Right now I'm not seeing it until proven otherwise. If we win 20 this year and still don't make the post season I'll be a little more optimistic.
Guys, he's got a point.....if Wojo didn't have NBA top 20 draft pick on the roster that he recruited and coached the team would have been as bad when we had no NBA top 20 draft picks on the roster
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6'6" 185 is pretty f'ing skinny.
What's interesting is Haanif is 6'5" 195 this season which isn't exactly big, but I never thought that he didn't have strength last season so I'll be interesting to see how he and Sam's games change.
Let's all hope that Sam doesn't have Jon Harris type issues in his shooting as a result of all that bulk gained
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Guys, he's got a point.....if Wojo didn't have NBA top 20 draft pick on the roster that he recruited and coached the team would have been as bad when we had no NBA top 20 draft picks on the roster
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We had four conference wins Wojo's first season and it may of been zero if Carlino got hurt before the start of conference. We had 8 conference wins last year and it also may of been zero if Henry had got hurt before the start of conference. What worries me is that the base team is not as talented as we think it is. However, players should get better with experience. The positive is that his team will not be dependent on one player. The possible negative is that this team may not have a player that can carry the team when needed, although I think(hope) someone will step up.
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We had four conference wins Wojo's first season and it may of been zero if Carlino got hurt before the start of conference. We had 8 conference wins last year and it also may of been zero if Henry had got hurt before the start of conference. What worries me is that the base team is not as talented as we think it is. However, players should get better with experience. The positive is that his team will not be dependent on one player. The possible negative is that this team may not have a player that can carry the team when needed, although I think(hope) someone will step up.
What does base team mean? The team you have left that's average when you take superstars and/or really talented players off the roster? So let's take Wade off the '03 team, Jimmy Butler off the 2011 Sweet Sixteen team or Predator off the 2012 team, think they have the same results?
And you are telling me that Duane and Sandy as frosh, sophomore John Dawson and JjJ and Senior Derrick Wilson is as good as Haanif and Carter as frosh, sophomore Duane, junior JjJ?? I don't think it's even close.
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What does base team mean? The team you have left that's average when you take superstars and/or really talented players off the roster? So let's take Wade off the '03 team, Jimmy Butler off the 2011 Sweet Sixteen team or Predator off the 2012 team, think they have the same results?
And you are telling me that Duane and Sandy as frosh, sophomore John Dawson and JjJ and Senior Derrick Wilson is as good as Haanif and Carter as frosh, sophomore Duane, junior JjJ?? I don't think it's even close.
For the record Jimmy and Crowder were not the leading scorers on either of those teams. I get your point but DJO could've still carried a team to victory.
What I like about this team is the 6 double digit scorers. Yes there's only one rock but it makes us incredibly hard to scout with that many offensive weapons.
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Channeling yout inner JayBee aiiiii'na?
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Why do others post about how great we are? Over the last 3 seasons we were really bad and without Henry last season may have been just as bad as Wojo's first.
We'll see if Wojo is turning this ship in the right direction by the results we'll see on the court, not on potential talent or statistical analysis; just by how well they play the game. Right now I'm not seeing it until proven otherwise. If we win 20 this year and still don't make the post season I'll be a little more optimistic.
We won 20 last year and didn't make the post season. Why aren't you optimistic?
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We won 20 last year and didn't make the post season. Why aren't you optimistic?
Without Henry how many would we have won? No one knows. My concern this season is our defense and rebounding and hope the players we have can shoot from the perimeter as advertised.
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Without Henry how many would we have won? No one knows. My concern this season is our defense and rebounding and hope the players we have can shoot from the perimeter as advertised.
Maybe less, maybe more. Like the number of licks required to get to the middle of a Tootsie Pop, the world may never know.
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Without Henry how many would we have won? No one knows. My concern this season is our defense and rebounding and hope the players we have can shoot from the perimeter as advertised.
But we did have Henry
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What's interesting is Haanif is 6'5" 195 this season which isn't exactly big, but I never thought that he didn't have strength last season so I'll be interesting to see how he and Sam's games change.
To me, the key is how our roster compares to the rest of the Big East.
Last season at Nova, Josh Hart and Kris Jenkins were listed at 6-5/205 and 6-6/240, respectively. Hart was the team's second leading rebounder. Xavier had Trevor Bluiett at 6-6/215. Roosevelt Jones at Butler went 6-4/230. Seton Hall had Desi Rodriguez at 6-6/215 and Isaiah Whitehead at 6-4/210.
Strength matters when defending and rebounding against those kind of big guards and wings. We'll have to see if the difference in the roster carries through to the court.
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"I'm sure how good the 2015-16 Cavaliers were. I mean, take Lebron off the team and they might not even make the playoffs."
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For the record Jimmy and Crowder were not the leading scorers on either of those teams. I get your point but DJO could've still carried a team to victory.
What I like about this team is the 6 double digit scorers. Yes there's only one rock but it makes us incredibly hard to scout with that many offensive weapons.
I went to the game in Morgantown when Crowder played all 40 minutes and Buzz was suspending half the team for the 1st half and the other half the team for the 2nd. Watching him drag that team kicking and screaming to a win all the while putting up the statement game that he was POY over Desean Butler (I think was his name) on WV was a thing of beauty.
DJO was awesome, but that was Crowder's team.
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But we did have Henry
...and we couldn't even make the NIT with 20 wins because no one that counted (selection committee for NIT) thought we were good enough.
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I went to the game in Morgantown when Crowder played all 40 minutes and Buzz was suspending half the team for the 1st half and the other half the team for the 2nd. Watching him drag that team kicking and screaming to a win all the while putting up the statement game that he was POY over Desean Butler (I think was his name) on WV was a thing of beauty.
DJO was awesome, but that was Crowder's team.
That WVU main player was Kevin Jones. I agree it was crowder's team overall but there's no doubt that he had major major help and could've had off nights where the team would still be carried
The only example of a recent player which if you took them away the team would be a complete disaster without is Hayward or Vander.
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...and we couldn't even make the NIT with 20 wins because no one that counted (selection committee for NIT) thought we were good enough.
Had almost nothing to do with the quality of our team, that was largely a function of youth and the construction of our non-conference schedule
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That WVU main player was Kevin Jones. I agree it was crowder's team overall but there's no doubt that he had major major help and could've had off nights where the team would still be carried
The only example of a recent player which if you took them away the team would be a complete disaster without is Hayward or Vander.
JC had two incredible moments. Certainly that WV game but also one I witnessed personally. After the final timeout against Murray State in the Yum Center J. Cadougan went over and totally got in Jae's face. "NOW goddammit!" JC owned the rest of the game. Priceless.
Edit: Dammit. I want to play important basketball again. NOW. Sick of this sh*t.
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...and we couldn't even make the NIT with 20 wins because no one that counted (selection committee for NIT) thought we were good enough.
And that affects this season how?
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Had almost nothing to do with the quality of our team, that was largely a function of youth and the construction of our non-conference schedule
Yeah. The only that stopped our Final 4 run were birth certificates and non conference cupcakes. Other than that we were Villanova.
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Yeah. The only that stopped our Final 4 run were birth certificates and non conference cupcakes. Other than that we were Villanova.
Who knows, if we don't make it in 2017 it might be because we're not that good.
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And that affects this season how?
If we win 20 this season and don't finish at .500 or better in the Beast it won't be enough for post season; but that will exceed my expectations for this season and say we're on the right track.
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If we win 20 this season and don't finish at .500 or better in the Beast it won't be enough for post season; but that will exceed my expectations for this season and say we're on the right track.
It's highly unlikely we'll win 20 and not finish .500 or better in the Big East. Just based on numbers, if we go 8-10 in the Big East, we'd have to go 12-0 against a very difficult schedule in non-conference to get to 20, or make a BET run.
If we win 20 games, we will most likely be in the NCAA Tournament (regardless of Big East record) and absolutely, positively, 100% playing in the postseason.
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It's highly unlikely we'll win 20 and not finish .500 or better in the Big East. Just based on numbers, if we go 8-10 in the Big East, we'd have to go 12-0 against a very difficult schedule in non-conference to get to 20, or make a BET run.
If we win 20 games, we will most likely be in the NCAA Tournament (regardless of Big East record) and absolutely, positively, 100% playing in the postseason.
You talking about the VEGAS 16 right? ;)
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You talking about the VEGAS 8 right? ;)
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