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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Clam Crowder on September 26, 2016, 05:01:19 PM
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I haven't followed a player's recruitment as closely as this one since Vander I would say. Concerns me that the Crystal Ball guys havent updated at all since his visit and no one has Xavier as an MU lean despite what appears to have a been a very positive visit and a strong interest from both parties. When do those guys usually update? This guy to me looks alot like Gardner with the footwork but with MUCH more athleticsm...Gardner didn't dunk in a game until his senior year from what I remember....Need a big man like this
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I think you should ask Jaybee for his opinion.......
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Concerns me that the Crystal Ball guys havent updated at all since his visit and no one has Xavier as an MU lean despite what appears to have a been a very positive visit and a strong interest from both parties. When do those guys usually update?
The cristal bowel is just a little marketing toy. Many who play it update when either (a) there is widely-known information that is known by the general public or (b) they are bored and update a punch of little picks (i.e., play the game for fun).
X and mom have been transparent with their plans and timing. Not much for the marketing toy players to react to.
Don't sweat it.
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If there's a big shift, it will probably start Thursday night or Friday morning. Once those picks get made, it usually means word is out.
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I haven't followed a player's recruitment as closely as this one since Vander I would say. Concerns me that the Crystal Ball guys havent updated at all since his visit and no one has Xavier as an MU lean despite what appears to have a been a very positive visit and a strong interest from both parties. When do those guys usually update? This guy to me looks alot like Gardner with the footwork but with MUCH more athleticsm...Gardner didn't dunk in a game until his senior year from what I remember....Need a big man like this
I could be wrong, but I think Gardner hurt his knee when he came down after attempting a dunk in his sophomore year.
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I think hes going to MSU, we gave it a great shot but if he matches up the pros and cons of the schools and the family and girlfriend angle, we come up a little short. But I,ve been known to be wrong!
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I think hes going to MSU, we gave it a great shot but if he matches up the pros and cons of the schools and the family and girlfriend angle, we come up a little short. But I,ve been known to be wrong!
I agree with this analysis.
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Respect the process.
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Respect the process.
Yep, Give it your best shot, and wait.
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I'd put it at 50-50-0. With the zero being Purdue.
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I could be wrong, but I think Gardner hurt his knee when he came down after attempting a dunk in his sophomore year.
I could be wrong, but I think Gardner got stuffed by the underside of the rim on at least a couple of dunk attempts.
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The problem with people's armchair analysis of the pros and cons is that it leaves out probably THE most important factor. The relationship with the coaches. We have no idea how he feels about Izzo and company versus Wojo and company. Just let it play out and see what happens.
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The problem with people's armchair analysis of the pros and cons is that it leaves out probably THE most important factor. The relationship with the coaches. We have no idea how he feels about Izzo and company versus Wojo and company. Just let it play out and see what happens.
Yep. More generally, as fans, we see what we perceive to be pros and cons...but its impossible to know how closely our perception matches that of an 18-year old kid most of us have never met.
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Yep. More generally, as fans, we see what we perceive to be pros and cons...but its impossible to know how closely our perception matches that of an 18-year old kid most of us have never met.
If a middle aged man was making the decision he would pick the safe choice, the more sure thing. Lucky for MU X is an 18 year old kid. That is why the recruiting process is so hard to predict. (Glad my job doesn't depend on it). You guys have only got a few days to wait for an answer. Unless you have true inside information lets not try to handicap this based on what we think is important.
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If a middle aged man was making the decision he would pick the safe choice, the more sure thing. Lucky for MU X is an 18 year old kid. That is why the recruiting process is so hard to predict. (Glad my job doesn't depend on it). You guys have only got a few days to wait for an answer. Unless you have true inside information lets not try to handicap this based on what we think is important.
I point that has not been suggested is how good is Tillman? He is ranked in the Top100 for sure, but at the lower end. At MSU, will he be over-recruited by Izzo. I am
not sure at Marquette that will happen. It sounds like Tillman is an undersized 5 or 10 foot range player at the 4. Where does he fit at MSU vs. MU? Is Theo John
the same player or Eke? Differences?
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I point that has not been suggested is how good is Tillman? He is ranked in the Top100 for sure, but at the lower end. At MSU, will he be over-recruited by Izzo. I am
not sure at Marquette that will happen. It sounds like Tillman is an undersized 5 or 10 foot range player at the 4. Where does he fit at MSU vs. MU? Is Theo John
the same player or Eke? Differences?
So our recruiting pitch should be that "you're really not good enough for MSU anyway?"
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So our recruiting pitch should be that "you're really not good enough for MSU anyway?"
Our recruiting pitch should be, you will start for 4 years here. Not be over-recruited here, there maybe.
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Our recruiting pitch should be, you will start for 4 years here. Not be over-recruited here, there maybe.
Still a pretty weak argument. I'd expect a more positive pitch from the coaching staff.
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Our recruiting pitch should be, you will start for 4 years here. Not be over-recruited here, there maybe.
That's a terrible recruiting pitch. Not only is it small-minded thinking, but it's a lie. No chance MU is going to go four years without recruiting another PF (nor, obviously, should they). And promising a kid he'll start for four years? So, if say, MU has a chance to land a McDonald's AA at the same position two years from now they shouldn't?
The pitch should be that Marquette intends to play at the highest level. That means bringing in the best players at ALL positions to compete, and that competition will make Xavier (or whoever else they're recruiting) the best player they can be.
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Our recruiting pitch should be, you will start for 4 years here. Not be over-recruited here, there maybe.
You want our coaching staff to promise someone a four-year starting job before his senior year in high school?? And this is after you question how good he really is?
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Our recruiting pitch should be, you will start for 4 years here. Not be over-recruited here, there maybe.
LOL we are recruiting Joey Hauser and Race Thompson hard in the class immediately following him. There will be competition for PT wherever he goes.
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Can we get a Big Daddy update?
I'll put up the BD signal.
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If a middle aged man was making the decision he would pick the safe choice, the more sure thing. Lucky for MU X is an 18 year old kid. That is why the recruiting process is so hard to predict. (Glad my job doesn't depend on it). You guys have only got a few days to wait for an answer. Unless you have true inside information lets not try to handicap this based on what we think is important.
So what's your answer as a middle aged man? A coach that has sent every class (outside of 1 I believe) to the final four? Or a coach that hasn't coached a single post season game. Not a knock on wojo, takes time...but I'm confused by your analysis. Looks to me that Tillman would play day 1 at MSU. You're talking about a top 5 program that has made you a priority. I hope he comes to MU, but it would be hard to say no to that. if by safe you mean floor time, there's no guarantee at MU. John and Heldt will compete for his minutes.
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That's a terrible recruiting pitch. Not only is it small-minded thinking, but it's a lie. No chance MU is going to go four years without recruiting another PF (nor, obviously, should they). And promising a kid he'll start for four years? So, if say, MU has a chance to land a McDonald's AA at the same position two years from now they shouldn't?
+1. Has the "I will be the best husband ever because I'm so out of your league" proposal ever worked in the history of everything?
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Well, Jim McIlvaine was ranked slightly higher than Tillman is (mid 70s, IIRC) and Kevin O'Neill kept him away from UCLA by using the "they'll recruit over you" pitch sucessfully.
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I'd put it at 50-50-0. With the zero being Purdue.
Without knowing anything other than the social media angle, I'm going 90% MSU and I'm being conservative for MSU. Just one persons opinion.
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To take a bit of an opposite approach to the "Wojo MUST get someone," I am gonna just believe that it will be a coup if they get X. It's hard to beat the hometown feeling, but lately Wojo and his staff have tapped the state of Michigan with some success and with players that X is familiar with.
Pragmatically, I do think TAMU is spot on with his percentages. I am super impressed how "in" on Xavier the staff has been.
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So what's your answer as a middle aged man?
MSU, that's the point. If X choses MU it will be based on his assessment of relationships that those outside the process can't possible know.
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For anyone taking MUFINY's post on the Sparty site as gospel, it's worth mentioning that one of the main points outlined by the staff on Tanya's Twitter was Tamia's education. Safe to say they are leaving no stone unturned to make sure that edge MSU has is minimized.
Now that doesn't mean MU will actually be a cheaper or even comparable alternative, but the financial aid staff is very good at making Marquette look like an affordable option.
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If we don't get X we have Hasahn French locked up I think.
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So our recruiting pitch should be that "you're really not good enough for MSU anyway?"
As well as "Marquette isn't really good enough to recruit over you". Par for the BC Hoopster course.
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That's a terrible recruiting pitch. Not only is it small-minded thinking, but it's a lie. No chance MU is going to go four years without recruiting another PF (nor, obviously, should they). And promising a kid he'll start for four years? So, if say, MU has a chance to land a McDonald's AA at the same position two years from now they shouldn't?
The pitch should be that Marquette intends to play at the highest level. That means bringing in the best players at ALL positions to compete, and that competition will make Xavier (or whoever else they're recruiting) the best player they can be.
100% correct!
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As well as "Marquette isn't really good enough to recruit over you". Par for the BC Hoopster course.
True, last year was the first year in a great while that MU had a 4 and a 5 that were pretty good, before that it was Jimmy Mac and Key. It seems to be very hard to
over recruit here, we are not stacking 5 stars over 5 stars at MU. This is not the Al era anymore, not even sure the Buzz era. If they are able to get X, I can see movement back to the top of the Big East again. With the 2 kids last year, 4 this year and a couple next year, it sure seems Wojo might turn the corner. Losing
X, will hurt, but I can still see a John, Cain and Hauser front line the following year and for a few years after that. Sam will be the key in recruiting Joey. I might
like Joey better than X, has he has an outside game. Can play 4 out and 1 in with Joey. Like Golden St. style of play.
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True, last year was the first year in a great while that MU had a 4 and a 5 that were pretty good, before that it was Jimmy Mac and Key. It seems to be very hard to
over recruit here, we are not stacking 5 stars over 5 stars at MU. This is not the Al era anymore, not even sure the Buzz era. If they are able to get X, I can see movement back to the top of the Big East again. With the 2 kids last year, 4 this year and a couple next year, it sure seems Wojo might turn the corner. Losing
X, will hurt, but I can still see a John, Cain and Hauser front line the following year and for a few years after that. Sam will be the key in recruiting Joey. I might
like Joey better than X, has he has an outside game. Can play 4 out and 1 in with Joey. Like Golden St. style of play.
Gardner and Crowder
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Well, Jim McIlvaine was ranked slightly higher than Tillman is (mid 70s, IIRC) and Kevin O'Neill kept him away from UCLA by using the "they'll recruit over you" pitch sucessfully.
Agreed, I recall that too. Perhaps, O'Neil was unique in his abiity to spin like this.
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This is not the Al era anymore, not even sure the Buzz era.
The Buzz era? Buzz did great with JUCOs, but Wojo is already proving to a better recruiter at the high school level. Buzz landed 10 RSCI top-100 kids in 5 full recruting years: Junior Cadougan (47-2009), Erik Williams (67-2009), Jeronne Maymon (73-2009), Vander Blue (48-2010), Jamail Jones (74-2010), Juan Anderson (81-2011), Steve Taylor (82-2012), Jajuan Johnson (30-2013), Deonte Burton (54-2013), Duane Wilson (59-2013).
Wojo has landed 7 RSCI top-100 kids in less than 3 years: Henry Ellenson (6-2015), Haanif Cheatham (87-2015), Matt Heldt (96-2015), Brendan Bailey (62-2016), Markus Howard (71-2016), Sam Hauser (94-2016), and Jamal Cain (95-2017). If we land one of Tillman, Nwora, or Epperson, that will be 8.
Also, I'm discounting 2014 because of Buzz's class being split up, Wojo not having a full year to recruit, and not knowing who to attribute Sandy to.
Obviously we'll see how retention goes, but 50% of Buzz's top-100 kids transferred on us (Williams, Maymon, Jones, Taylor, Burton) and thus far you could maybe argue that three (at most?) lived up to the billing: Blue, Johnson, and Wilson. Clearly we won't have a thorough estimation of Wojo's recruits for 2-3 years, but I'd argue that thus far, both Ellenson and Cheatham have already shown they were worthy of their lofty ratings. I think you could safely argue that while Henry was fantastic, Haanif was a better player as a freshman than any high school player Buzz recruited in his entire tenure. The only Buzz recruit that could maybe be included in the discussion is Duane Wilson, who did that playing for Wojo.
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The Buzz era? Buzz did great with JUCOs, but Wojo is already proving to a better recruiter at the high school level. Buzz landed 10 RSCI top-100 kids in 5 full recruting years: Junior Cadougan (47-2009), Erik Williams (67-2009), Jeronne Maymon (73-2009), Vander Blue (48-2010), Jamail Jones (74-2010), Juan Anderson (81-2011), Steve Taylor (82-2012), Jajuan Johnson (30-2013), Deonte Burton (54-2013), Duane Wilson (59-2013).
Wojo has landed 7 RSCI top-100 kids in less than 3 years: Henry Ellenson (6-2015), Haanif Cheatham (87-2015), Matt Heldt (96-2015), Brendan Bailey (62-2016), Markus Howard (71-2016), Sam Hauser (94-2016), and Jamal Cain (95-2017). If we land one of Tillman, Nwora, or Epperson, that will be 8.
Also, I'm discounting 2014 because of Buzz's class being split up, Wojo not having a full year to recruit, and not knowing who to attribute Sandy to.
Obviously we'll see how retention goes, but 50% of Buzz's top-100 kids transferred on us (Williams, Maymon, Jones, Taylor, Burton) and thus far you could maybe argue that three (at most?) lived up to the billing: Blue, Johnson, and Wilson. Clearly we won't have a thorough estimation of Wojo's recruits for 2-3 years, but I'd argue that thus far, both Ellenson and Cheatham have already shown they were worthy of their lofty ratings. I think you could safely argue that while Henry was fantastic, Haanif was a better player as a freshman than any high school player Buzz recruited in his entire tenure. The only Buzz recruit that could maybe be included in the discussion is Duane Wilson, who did that playing for Wojo.
Yes, Wojo has done a very good job of trying to re-build. I would probably have to say Carlino and Reinhardt were Top 100 kids as well. One thing we all must admit,
Buzz left the cupboard pretty bare. The future looks bright, at least, MU will a bench and competition for playing time, that is first step in getting better. Next year
MU will be very young, besides Matt, all freshman or Sam, a sophomore.
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Yes, Wojo has done a very good job of trying to re-build. I would probably have to say Carlino and Reinhardt were Top 100 kids as well. One thing we all must admit,
Buzz left the cupboard pretty bare. The future looks bright, at least, MU will a bench and competition for playing time, that is first step in getting better. Next year
MU will be very young, besides Matt, all freshman or Sam, a sophomore.
That's simply not true. Next year Marquette will have two seniors (Duane Wilson, Andrew Rowsey) that will both be fifth year players and four juniors (Heldt, Cheatham, Carter, and Anim). While it's possible that we could see some of those players leave, that's still 46.2% of the roster being upperclassmen.
If your point is that they'll be young up front, that's partially true, but you specifically mention Heldt and Hauser, who will have more experience than our starting frontcourt did a year ago when Henry and Luke were manning the 4 and 5.
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If we don't get X we have Hasahn French locked up I think.
I would be very pleased with either. Both the kinds of guys we've been missing for a few years.
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I would be very pleased with either. Both the kinds of guys we've been missing for a few years.
Bingo.
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Can we get a Big Daddy update?
I'll put up the BD signal.
Is it just me, or is the Big Daddy signal The Sweaty, Phony Cowboy in a leotard?
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I think you could safely argue that while Henry was fantastic, Haanif was a better player as a freshman than any high school player Buzz recruited in his entire tenure. The only Buzz recruit that could maybe be included in the discussion is Duane Wilson, who did that playing for Wojo.
I agree with this analysis. Two of Buzz's better freshman were Todd and Davante. Todd was effective but inefficient his freshman year and Davante saw limited playing time because of his conditioning. But it's worth remembering that Duane and Cheatham played in a much different situation than most of Buzz's players did though.
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Is it just me, or is the Big Daddy signal The Sweaty, Phony Cowboy in a leotard?
Now you know why I am called "Big Daddy"
Nothing final yet call expected on Thursday.
X 50%
HS 45%
both or none 2.5% each
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MSU, that's the point. If X choses MU it will be based on his assessment of relationships that those outside the process can't possible know.
Got it. I'm with you, thought you were saying Marquette.
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Now you know why I am called "Big Daddy"
Nothing final yet call expected on Thursday.
X 50%
HS 45%
both or none 2.5% each
I like that Hasahn probability is going up.
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Now you know why I am called "Big Daddy"
Nothing final yet call expected on Thursday.
X 50%
HS 45%
both or none 2.5% each
I prefer The Sweaty, Phony Cowboy looking-dude.
But, it's your Big Daddy Signal, not mine. To each his own.
Tillman or French. More polished offensive game vs defensive presence. Either is ok with me.
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TILLMAN AND FRENCH. GIVES US A PHYSICAL PRESENCE. HOPEFULLY JOEY WILL BE WITH US IN
2018 CLASS.
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TILLMAN AND FRENCH. GIVES US A PHYSICAL PRESENCE. HOPEFULLY JOEY WILL BE WITH US IN
2018 CLASS.
Is there room for both Tillman and French considering we have Eke, John, Cain, Bailey and possibly Joey within a year of each other? I say take the first one to verbal, and do not oversign.
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Now you know why I am called "Big Daddy"
Nothing final yet call expected on Thursday.
X 50%
HS 45%
both or none 2.5% each
Use it or lose it, Pops, hey? Gettin' back ta reality, doe, da sun'll come up on Sat. regardless, ai na?
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Crystal ball is literally never wrong.
Always believe it
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Crystal ball is literally never wrong.
Always believe it
PFs heroes?
Seriously who is PF? Can't be Freund, his first name was Andy.
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Now you know why I am called "Big Daddy"
Nothing final yet call expected on Thursday.
X 50%
HS 45%
both or none 2.5% each
Yes, it is the phony cowboy in a leotard, and yes that hangdown is a phony.
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You can always count on willie showing up when the discussion turns to penises
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You can always count on willie showing up when the discussion turns to penises
Thought the discussion was about the phony cowboy. Your mind must be dragging in the gutter. Now kate Upton would be a good discussion.
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Forgot about Eke. Hope he fits in as a physical frontliner.
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Thought the discussion was about the phony cowboy. Your mind must be dragging in the gutter. Now kate Upton would be a good discussion.
Saw this on Mazos.com
(http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/pict/371121938772_1.jpg)
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Der are better ways ta warm up a cold schlong, ai na?
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Thought the discussion was about the phony cowboy. Your mind must be dragging in the gutter. Now kate Upton would be a good discussion.
Sure, as long as you don't go the pedophilia route again.
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If we don't get X we have Hasahn French locked up I think.
I think French is headed to SLU. He has connections with the coach and Ford seems to be on a roll with recruiting.
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I think French is headed to SLU. He has connections with the coach and Ford seems to be on a roll with recruiting.
Wojo is also on a roll. Not that being on a roll has any effect on an individual recruitment anyway.
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Wojo is also on a roll. Not that being on a roll has any effect on an individual recruitment anyway.
Are you calling into question the concept of momentum? How dare you!
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I think French is headed to SLU. He has connections with the coach and Ford seems to be on a roll with recruiting.
Don't worry your pretty little head about it, Honey.
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Murray, I tink ya just mighta called some dude, honey, hey?
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Sure, as long as you don't go the pedophilia route again.
+1 easily one of the creepiest posts made on here.
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I think French is headed to SLU. He has connections with the coach and Ford seems to be on a roll with recruiting.
Well, how come you say you will when you won't?
Say you do, baby, when you don't?
Let me know, Honey, how you feel ...
Tell the truth now, is love real?
So, uh-uh ... well ... Honey don't!
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+1 easily one of the creepiest posts made on here.
Feel like I need to know what this was. Sounds like part of scoop canon
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Feel like I need to know what this was. Sounds like part of scoop canon
IIRC, we were discussing some recruit or another who was still a freshman or sophomore in high school. Someone made a comment along the lines of "I'm really excited about this kid." Willie's response was something like "The only 14 year old worth getting excited about would be 14 year old Kate Upton." Many were understandably sceeved out.
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Feel like I need to know what this was. Sounds like part of scoop canon
Vaguely recall. It was made in poor taste followed by an outpouring of intense self-righteousness. Typical Scoop.
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Vaguely recall. It was made in poor taste followed by an outpouring of intense self-righteousness. Typical Scoop.
Yes criticizing pedophillic jokes is self righteous. ::)
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Yes criticizing pedophillic jokes is self righteous. ::)
Alas...
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Vaguely recall. It was made in poor taste followed by an outpouring of intense self-righteousness. Typical Scoop.
In one more time before the lock that's likely coming
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Sounds like we will hear about the smoke coming from X's camp of where he is going by tomorrow if BD is on the money (which tends to be the case). I believe he said that X was informing the schools at that point. Sure hope it is Marquette.
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In one more time before the lock that's likely coming
I was going beyond the inherent fact that pedophilia is one of the most despicable acts known to humankind. But I'll just drop it to avoid the witch hunt.
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Anyway, to ensure this thread stays on topic...Big Daddy, would you be so kind as to hint at which way Tillman is leaning today?
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Anyway, to ensure this thread stays on topic...Big Daddy, would you be so kind as to hint at which way Tillman is leaning today?
Looks like his handle is still Big Daddy X....
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Anyway, to ensure this thread stays on topic...Big Daddy, would you be so kind as to hint at which way Tillman is leaning today?
Screw that...we demand a transcript of the call today!
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Any movement on crystal balls yet?
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Any movement on crystal balls yet?
Michigan still at 9% ::)
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No CB picks since 9/16 on the heels of his Michigan State visit.
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Michigan still at 9% ::)
At least everyone's taking their "responsibility" seriously.
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Anyway, to ensure this thread stays on topic...Big Daddy, would you be so kind as to hint at which way Tillman is leaning today?
Its early yet, let' im wake up first, ai na?
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We need you.
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Michigan still at 9% ::)
Not any more, that guy flipped his pick to MSU this morning.
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Not any more, that guy flipped his pick to MSU this morning.
Take CB with a grain of salt, I know, but has there ever been a recruit that every "expert" has missed on as would be the case here if XT committed to MU?
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Pretty sure most people had Kalif Young to MU on Crystal Ball
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Take CB with a grain of salt, I know, but has there ever been a recruit that every "expert" has missed on as would be the case here if XT committed to MU?
Yes. Can't remember the name, but yes.
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Yes. Can't remember the name, but yes.
Kevon Looney
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Kevon Looney
Who?
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Who?
The guy who had the best seat in the house for all seven games of the NBA Finals.
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Good call.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Kevon-Looney-at-Hamilton-18050/CurrentExpertPredictions (http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Kevon-Looney-at-Hamilton-18050/CurrentExpertPredictions)
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Didn't most people have Charles Matthews to MU as well?
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Pretty sure there was a point where everyone had Vander going to Madison. ;)
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Someone needs ta get on Flightracker and see if der's a private plane headed ta MI from MKE, hey?
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The guy who had the best seat in the house for all seven games of the NBA Finals.
Ahh, Kevon. ;)
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What's on Stan's agenda tomorrow?
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Someone needs ta get on Flightracker and see if der's a private plane headed ta MI from MKE, hey?
Is there a ferry tracker?
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Is there a ferry tracker?
ZFB is a fairy tracker
Stan's in DC this morning, a''inna?
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My twitter stalking has lead me nowhere. Tillman is still following the same people he was yesterday.
Todd Smith is a dead giveaway. Recruits start following him when they commit, even before officially announcing. That's the key one I look for.
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My twitter stalking has lead me nowhere. Tillman is still following the same people he was yesterday.
Todd Smith is a dead giveaway. Recruits start following him when they commit, even before officially announcing. That's the key one I look for.
I presume you checked whether he was following the equivalent of Todd Smith over at Purdue and MSU.
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I presume you checked whether he was following the equivalent of Todd Smith over at Purdue and MSU.
To the best of my knowledge, no. I also look for new follows of the coaching staff, admin, and future teammates.
Tillman is following 706 people. I'm looking for new follows and then crosscheck any new adds.
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To the best of my knowledge, no. I also look for new follows of the coaching staff, admin, and future teammates.
Tillman is following 706 people. I'm looking for new follows and then crosscheck any new adds.
Haha, I love it.
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Haha, I love it.
if the Purdue story is correct about his girl friend having there first child, the chance of him coming to MU, probably are very slim, even if he wants to come to
MU, he probably will want to be close to his child. Or maybe the mother wants him as fair away as possible....
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if the Purdue story is correct about his girl friend having there first child, the chance of him coming to MU, probably are very slim, even if he wants to come to
MU, he probably will want to be close to his child. Or maybe the mother wants him as fair away as possible....
That is not the case at all.
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That is not the case at all.
So he is going to MSU?
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So he is going to MSU?
I have absolutely no idea where he is going. I would guess MSU, but I have no inside info. I just know that Marquette's staff outlined possibilities for his girlfriend's education in their recruiting pitch, so she definitely wants to be close to him.
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if the Purdue story is correct about his girl friend having there first child, the chance of him coming to MU, probably are very slim, even if he wants to come to
MU, he probably will want to be close to his child. Or maybe the mother wants him as fair away as possible....
JayBee alert.
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if the Purdue story is correct about his girl friend having there first child, the chance of him coming to MU, probably are very slim, even if he wants to come to
MU, he probably will want to be close to his child. Or maybe the mother wants him as fair away as possible....
University of Antartica, hey?
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if the Purdue story is correct about his girl friend having there first child, the chance of him coming to MU, probably are very slim, even if he wants to come to
MU, he probably will want to be close to his child. Or maybe the mother wants him as fair away as possible....
If that's true, then he gowne.
Come on down Mr. French.
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ZFB is a fairy tracker
Stan's in DC this morning, a''inna?
Yep as per tweet this AM
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No idea if this article has any merit at all, and it's from a MSU blog, but it lists the reasons why Tillman will pick MSU. That said, the one sentence that stands out to me and reaffirms my beliefs is this: Tillman has taken his final visits and it’s believed that the Spartans are the program to beat while Marquette is close behind and Purdue is third
If it's not MSU, I think it'll be Marquette.
http://spartanavenue.com/2016/09/29/michigan-state-recruiting-why-xavier-tillman-commits/
Edit: Honestly, the article isn't really worth reading now that I finished it, but I already linked it so I'll leave it up if anyone cares.
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Big Daddy total silence. No info, hey?
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Yep as per tweet this AM
Who is MU recruiting in DC or Baltimore?
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Who is MU recruiting in DC or Baltimore?
https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/781462690736865280
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Who is MU recruiting in DC or Baltimore?
Two names for 2018 that MU has been mentioned with in the past:
6-9 PF Jalen Smith Baltimore
6-3 G Prentiss Hubb Washington DC
My guess would be Hubb.
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Big Daddy total silence. No info, hey?
I believe that after the Theo John recruitment was announced Big Daddy said he doesn't want to spoil any kids thunder by pre-announcing the decision, if he (Big Daddy) does know ahead of the official. I can certainly respect that if it is the case here.
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I believe that after the Theo John recruitment was announced Big Daddy said he doesn't want to spoil any kids thunder by pre-announcing the decision, if he (Big Daddy) does know ahead of the official. I can certainly respect that if it is the case here.
Could be Tillman is still on the phone with Izzo.
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I believe that after the Theo John recruitment was announced Big Daddy said he doesn't want to spoil any kids thunder by pre-announcing the decision, if he (Big Daddy) does know ahead of the official. I can certainly respect that if it is the case here.
AMEN!
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Not sure if this was discussed, but per the Detroit Free Press, the announcement is at 12:50 p.m. EST so 11:50 a.m. CST tomorrow (Friday, 9/30).
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/spartans/2016/09/29/msu-could-land-four-star-xavier-tillman-friday/91278432/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/spartans/2016/09/29/msu-could-land-four-star-xavier-tillman-friday/91278432/)
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Hmmm...thought I'd check out Todd Smith's twitter...unfortunately I haven't checked it for awhile...so I have no frame of reference for when this follow started...but he is following Xavier Tillman...and not French or any other uncommitted targets...he is also following John and Cain if you're curious.
I'm not saying it's a #donedeal but it does stand out to me. Plus, Tillman has to keep my birthday-visit-commitment streak in tact. So there's that, too!
Edit: I crosschecked Xavier Tilliman's follower list and he also has the MSU strength coach following him. So we're back to square one.
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Where's Ron Paul?
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Joey is still No. 1. 4-star Hubb from DC also a good pick up.
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Fellow warriors. Sorry I am in Tokyo. Took JAL from ORD to Narita (on Wednesday) and I have horrible jet lag. I have not called anyone and probably wont. Did get text that wojo and stan both got a call, but no details to share. But as I said before I think the player should have the right to announce his decision. I still think it was a 50/50, but in the end there is only one winner. If Mom had the final choice I would say 80/20 MU. I think she wants X to get a little farther away. But I honestly don't know what was decided.
Will have to try to stay up tonight (it is Friday here) to check messages and maybe have a couple of fingers of Pappy Van winkle FR-20 if a celebration is in order. Or to drown my tears. Either way I win.
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Thanks BD!
This commitment is being kept tightly wrapped. We may have to wait until tomorrow.
Too bad I will be on the road at 11:50 am. Where's the sweating emoji mods !
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He's going to MSU
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Take CB with a grain of salt, I know, but has there ever been a recruit that every "expert" has missed on as would be the case here if XT committed to MU?
Only Scoop nailed that Looney pick when his dentist gassed him and he spilled the beans.
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Take CB with a grain of salt, I know, but has there ever been a recruit that every "expert" has missed on as would be the case here if XT committed to MU?
Yes. Happens all the time. Cristal bowel is a little marketing tool / game
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Only Scoop nailed that Looney pick when his dentist gassed him and he spilled the beans.
Dr. Strangeglove, hey?
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Fellow warriors. Sorry I am in Tokyo. Took JAL from ORD to Narita (on Wednesday) and I have horrible jet lag. I have not called anyone and probably wont. Did get text that wojo and stan both got a call, but no details to share. But as I said before I think the player should have the right to announce his decision. I still think it was a 50/50, but in the end there is only one winner. If Mom had the final choice I would say 80/20 MU. I think she wants X to get a little farther away. But I honestly don't know what was decided.
Will have to try to stay up tonight (it is Friday here) to check messages and maybe have a couple of fingers of Pappy Van winkle FR-20 if a celebration is in order. Or to drown my tears. Either way I win.
Going to the Robot Restaurant?
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Fellow warriors. Sorry I am in Tokyo. Took JAL from ORD to Narita (on Wednesday) and I have horrible jet lag. I have not called anyone and probably wont. Did get text that wojo and stan both got a call, but no details to share. But as I said before I think the player should have the right to announce his decision. I still think it was a 50/50, but in the end there is only one winner. If Mom had the final choice I would say 80/20 MU. I think she wants X to get a little farther away. But I honestly don't know what was decided.
Will have to try to stay up tonight (it is Friday here) to check messages and maybe have a couple of fingers of Pappy Van winkle FR-20 if a celebration is in order. Or to drown my tears. Either way I win.
So Wojo and Stan already got the call would think if he was coming we would know by now. Anything on the twitter front??
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So Wono and Stan already got the call would think if he was coming we would know by now. Anything on the twitter front??
By that logic one of the schools would know by now, so it has to be out there somewhere.
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By that logic one of the schools would know by now, so it has to be out there somewhere.
That's why I'm asking the dirty old men that follow teenage boys in twitter maybe there is enough out there if calls have been made
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By that logic one of the schools would know by now, so it has to be out there somewhere.
Well, if you already picked Michigan State, there might be no reason to change one's crystal bowl prediction. The one change today was from Michigan to Michigan State, so if word's leaking out...
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So Michigan is out or just less than 9%?
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So Michigan is out or just less than 9%?
Teal??
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cmon dude
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He's going to MSU
Guess?
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Let the process work. We will know to-morrow
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So if it is us, will one of our coaches be in Michigan tomorrow?
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IF he commits, top 10 class?
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IF he commits, top 10 class?
No
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IF he commits, top 10 class?
Maybe until the 40 or so top 50 guys who haven't committed do, but in the final rankings? No way. Unlikely we'll be in the top 25. But we needed bigs, and if Tillman comes to MU (unlikely IMHO) we'll have 3 good ones and a project - and a very successful class.
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No
I agree, but a solid top 20.
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Marquette just got a Crystal Ball pick from Andrew Slater, Duke Insider. Might be irrelevant. But it's close enough to announcement time that maybe it's not.
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Slater has a pretty good track record. With about 12 hours to the announcement, that could actually be significant.
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Marquette just got a Crystal Ball pick from Andrew Slater, Duke Insider. Might be irrelevant. But it's close enough to announcement time that maybe it's not.
I was just about to go to bed. Thanks a lot.
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There have been zero twitter clues to give it away.
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Slater has a pretty good track record. With about 12 hours to the announcement, that could actually be significant.
JayBee, come get this guy
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How y'all doin'? Any y'all feelin' it, hey?
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Duke insider. Do we know anyone connected to the program with Duke ties...?
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I think this is a very close decision and a leak could change the player's mind.
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I think this is a very close decision and a leak could change the player's mind.
So its like Shaka-watch huh?
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I think this is a very close decision and a leak could change the player's mind.
Why would a leak change a player's mind?
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Why would a leak change a player's mind?
Trust.
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Yall are overthinking it. If a kid has been really thinking about a big of decision as this for god knows how long, what essentially is internet rumor isnt going to change his mind.
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Yall are overthinking it. If a kid has been really thinking about a big of decision as this for god knows how long, what essentially is internet rumor isnt going to change his mind.
17 year olds have changed their minds on far less.
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I think this is a very close decision and a leak could change the player's mind.
A leak never changed my mind when I was young, but one did put me in lockup for a few hours after I was caught taking it on the side of Grunts.**
As for X ... pins and needles, meet my butt!
(**Didn't actually happen, but I thought it was a funny line.)
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I believe Bob Knight had agreed to be the Wisconsin coach, but they leaked it and he changed his mind.
Assuming Tillman told all the coaches, if a leak happens, it doesn't mean it's the school he chose leaking it.
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I believe Bob Knight had agreed to be the Wisconsin coach, but they leaked it and he changed his mind.
Assuming Tillman told all the coaches, if a leak happens, it doesn't mean it's the school he chose leaking it.
Most likely come from the inside. So one tells someone and says don't tell anyone and it goes from there.
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Most likely come from the inside. So one tells someone and says don't tell anyone and it goes from there.
Right, but for him to change his pick as people have been worried about, he would have to believe it started from the school he chose. Just saying that may not be the case.
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There hasn't even been a leak, has there? So the last page has been speculation of a leak that could possibly happen?
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There hasn't even been a leak, has there? So the last page has been speculation of a leak that could possibly happen?
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/207/223/dyyyy.jpg)
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Update from the Al. Wojo taking leak.
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I believe Bob Knight had agreed to be the Wisconsin coach, but they leaked it and he changed his mind.
Assuming Tillman told all the coaches, if a leak happens, it doesn't mean it's the school he chose leaking it.
A) anytime you hold up Bob Knights actions as the example of 'it's happened' you need to rethink your approach - plus, that was decades ago
B) one of 11 predictors on one recruiting site does not a leak equal. hell, there's probably been more time and thought put into this change on Scoop than the predictor put into his change.
C) y'all need to relax
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A) anytime you hold up Bob Knights actions as the example of 'it's happened' you need to rethink your approach - plus, that was decades ago
B) one of 11 predictors on one recruiting site does not a leak equal. hell, there's probably been more time and thought put into this change on Scoop than the predictor put into his change.
C) y'all need to relax
Im not worried about a leak changing his mind or saying one happened. I just love any excuse to post that story.
Just a lot of anxious energy until 11:50.
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There's been no leak. Why are we discussing a leak? Even if a flood of last-second predictions comes before the announcement (like what happens 80% of the time), do you really think a guy will change the course of his life over like 100 people knowing where he's going pre-decision? Come on.
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Update from the Al. Wojo taking leak.
Who's flushin' for him though?
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Who's flushin' for him though?
X
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There's been no leak. Why are we discussing a leak? Even if a flood of last-second predictions comes before the announcement (like what happens 80% of the time), do you really think a guy will change the course of his life over like 100 people knowing where he's going pre-decision? Come on.
No, if he doesn't choose Marquette it is because Izzo told the Duke beat writer to change his crystal ball vote last night to Marquette in exchange for future inside information - knowing full well that the leak would be perceived to come from Wojo due to his weekly Thursday night call with Coach K that is scheduled just before Coach K's weekly call with the Duke writer.
X being a fellow that values trust above all woke up and changed his school choice because of the breach of trust. I mean he didn't have any other choice seeing how the circumstances above played out...
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SMH
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He's informed the coaches already. He isn't changing his mind. Simply put, the coaches have no reason to leak anything.
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One school knows for sure. The other two may know it's not them but maybe they don't know which one got the commitment.
This may be one of the few times a commitment doesn't leak early.
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Really, dis isn't a flippant decision alterable via a leak, hey?
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Really, dis isn't a flippant decision alterable via a leak, hey?
Exactly. This family has been very thoughtful throughout. That's why early on I had a great feeling re: MU's position in this one.
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No, if he doesn't choose Marquette it is because Izzo told the Duke beat writer to change his crystal ball vote last night to Marquette in exchange for future inside information - knowing full well that the leak would be perceived to come from Wojo due to his weekly Thursday night call with Coach K that is scheduled just before Coach K's weekly call with the Duke writer.
X being a fellow that values trust above all woke up and changed his school choice because of the breach of trust. I mean he didn't have any other choice seeing how the circumstances above played out...
I'll wait for the movie.
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Jerry Meyer just changed his prediction to MUBB as well
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Think about it this way....
If X has already picked MU, there's a 0.0001% chance he's going to change his mind at the last minute because of a leak or internet rumor (irrespective of source).
If X has already picked MU and there is no leak or internet rumor, the chance of him changing his mind last second doesn't just approach, but is in face absolute zero.
For those of who who traditionally have trouble grasping mathematical concepts, allow me to put "absolute zero" into terms for you (be sure to read it all the way to the end to make sure there isn't a 1 in there somewhere):
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So ask yourself.... does the benefit of having fun with an internet rumor outweigh the risk differential? The answer is, unequivocally, "maybe."
X to MU, maybe.
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cmon dude
I forgot to use teal :P
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There hasn't even been a leak, has there? So the last page has been speculation of a leak that could possibly happen?
Bet there were many this morning.....
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Jerry Meyer just changed his prediction to MUBB as well
That's good news.
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That's good news.
So if he chooses MSU is because of the leak :-[
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That's good news.
We need to get the its happening GIF ready then.
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On Tillman's 24/7Sports page, under Timeline for September 30, there's the headline: "Xavier Tillman picks MSU over Purdue, Marquette."
Check it out: http://247sports.com/Player/Xavier-Tillman-45491
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On Tillman's 24/7Sports page, under Timeline for September 30, there's the headline: "Xavier Tillman picks MSU over Purdue, Marquette."
Check it out: http://247sports.com/Player/Xavier-Tillman-45491
Hopefully it is a Dewey wins headline.
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On Tillman's 24/7Sports page, under Timeline for September 30, there's the headline: "Xavier Tillman picks MSU over Purdue, Marquette."
Check it out: http://247sports.com/Player/Xavier-Tillman-45491
Considering the guy who created the website currently has his pick as Marquette.....I wouldn't read anything into that. Just a mistake.
Not saying it won't be MSU but there's no way that's anything more than a mistake
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On Tillman's 24/7Sports page, under Timeline for September 30, there's the headline: "Xavier Tillman picks MSU over Purdue, Marquette."
Check it out: http://247sports.com/Player/Xavier-Tillman-45491
Thats just the leak we needed to tilt this back in our direction.
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Thats just the leak we needed to tilt this back in our direction.
+1
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Time zone difference is brutal when waiting for a recruit to make a decision.
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On Tillman's 24/7Sports page, under Timeline for September 30, there's the headline: "Xavier Tillman picks MSU over Purdue, Marquette."
Check it out: http://247sports.com/Player/Xavier-Tillman-45491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdF5Th0FPHU
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Thats just the leak we needed to tilt this back in our direction.
With all the excitement here, you would think we signed Maurice Lucas or Jim Chones. Just think back in the day if there was an internet. For Al, out of sight, for Hank
good and bad, for Rick good and bad and then Deane and Piano Player, this would have been Hiroshima for years! I remember on Lucas commit there was like a small nothing article in the Journal, and when I saw Larry McNeal the first time, I thought he might be Irish, guess I was wrong! How life has changed.
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On Tillman's 24/7Sports page, under Timeline for September 30, there's the headline: "Xavier Tillman picks MSU over Purdue, Marquette."
Check it out: http://247sports.com/Player/Xavier-Tillman-45491
That's not good news.
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That's not good news.
It's just as likely to be a mistake based on assuming he'll choose MSU.
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Why would a leak change a player's mind?
Player who wants to make his own announcement could feel betrayed by a coach who lets it leak out early.
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Player who wants to make his own announcement could feel betrayed by a coach who lets it leak out early.
If a player is going to change his mind based on a leak, then he really wasn't all that committed in the first place.
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Player who wants to make his own announcement could feel betrayed by a coach who lets it leak out early.
You make an awful lot of assumptions. I mean, it's not like he would tell his family or friends or anything crazy like that, right?
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Like I said he's MSU bound.
One of the rare times I actually know something recruiting
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If a player is going to change his mind based on a leak, then he really wasn't all that committed in the first place.
I am assuming the decision is very close either way.
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Like I said he's MSU bound.
One of the rare times I actually know something recruiting
OK, so it wasn't a guess. If we lose out on Tillman, and manage to land French, I'm good.
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Like I said he's MSU bound.
One of the rare times I actually know something recruiting
How did you find out?
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We need to get the its happening GIF ready then.
On stand-by
(http://i.imgur.com/GVFbI3L.jpg)
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OK now that is hilarious.
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OK, so it wasn't a guess. If we lose out on Tillman, and manage to land French, I'm good.
Same
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That's not good news.
That's also the internet, there is also a banner next to it that also has a broken link with a title that reads "Tillman picks" with nothing but the link after.
I doubt that 247 has the scoop already.
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That's also the internet, there is also a banner next to it that also has a broken link with a title that reads "Tillman picks" with nothing but the link after.
I doubt that 247 has the scoop already.
And like I said, if 247 DID have the scoop, and it was MSU....then Jerry Meyer definitely wouldn't have his CB pick as Marquette right now.
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Like I said he's MSU bound.
One of the rare times I actually know something recruiting
I like how you are trying to leak this MSU info to try to break X's trust in Izzo. Stick it to him
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Goodman tweets Tillman likely to MSU.
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Goodman tweets Tillman likely to MSU.
What a joke. Guy says likely, way to go out on a limb there or do some actual fact checking.
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I can't believe Buzz would help out with Operation Leak like that.
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He actually said "all signs point to MSU"
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Hey, do you guys think Goodman is using reverse psychology to make X think MSU is leaking, so he chooses MU at the last second?
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I can't believe Buzz would help out with Operation Leak like that.
Well Buzz and Matta did form that alliance while swabbing the deck a few years back. So maybe this is more anti-Izzo than Buzz helping us with Operation Leak.
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I hate Goodman so I am rolling with Crystal Ball. Another change from MSU to MU has me hoping for a surprise and for Jeff to be wrong
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I hate Goodman so I am rolling with Crystal Ball. Another change from MSU to MU has me hoping for a surprise and for Jeff to be wrong
Wow you're right. And MU just went from "Warm" (along with MSU and Purdue) to "Warmer." Is that something that they changed based on the way Crystal Ball is trending?
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Next man up, French, hey?
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I hate Goodman so I am rolling with Crystal Ball. Another change from MSU to MU has me hoping for a surprise and for Jeff to be wrong
PFsHeroes32 would also have to be dead wrong and then banned from Scoop.
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Latest Crystal Ball prediction for MU is an MSU "Insider." I have no knowledge on how truly "inside" he is.
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I have no knowledge on how truly "inside" he is.
I hear "deep" from my sources
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I hear "deep" from my sources
Deep? I thought you were just the tip kinda guy?
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Looking at that fella's picks he almost always picks MSU when it comes to recruits so him picking MU to me is a good sign.
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I believe Bob Knight had agreed to be the Wisconsin coach, but they leaked it and he changed his mind.
Assuming Tillman told all the coaches, if a leak happens, it doesn't mean it's the school he chose leaking it.
I'm guessing Xavier Tillman is 50x more mature than Bobby Knight ever was.
What I'm hearing is that if Tillman chooses anywhere but Marquette, Trump will say it was rigged.
This whole thing is too much fun.
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Looking at that fella's picks he almost always picks MSU when it comes to recruits so him picking MU to me is a good sign.
Doesn't want Tillman thinking it was a leak, that's why he switched!
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On Tillman's 24/7Sports page, under Timeline for September 30, there's the headline: "Xavier Tillman picks MSU over Purdue, Marquette."
Check it out: http://247sports.com/Player/Xavier-Tillman-45491
It's gone now. Internet hiccup.
Anyone know if there's a press conference?
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Looking at that fella's picks he almost always picks MSU when it comes to recruits so him picking MU to me is a good sign.
And, not to give JayBee's beloved crystal bowel any more attention, he has the highest accuracy (80%) of anyone making picks for X. We'll see.
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Doesn't want Tillman thinking it was a leak, that's why he switched!
Sacrificing his crystal bowel score for the good of the team! What a guy!
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Doesn't want Tillman thinking it was a leak, that's why he switched!
Clever how Izzo just parried Goodman's attempt to turn the leak tide in MU's favor.
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Can't take this any longer.......going for a drink
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I love Scoop.
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Not only are the last 3 Crystal Ball predictions for MU, but last night "Interest" was listed as "Warm" for MU, MSU and Purdue.
MU "Interest" is now "Warmer", others remain "Warm".
#donedeal
#kissofdeath
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Some MSU guy will be live-streaming here:
https://t.co/WuCN2Syjk5
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On Tillman's 24/7Sports page, under Timeline for September 30, there's the headline: "Xavier Tillman picks MSU over Purdue, Marquette."
Check it out: http://247sports.com/Player/Xavier-Tillman-45491
At least were warmer.
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FWIW, after the "msu insider" switched his pick, the Spartan board has started to agree that Tillman to MU is #donedeal.
We are now on Ron Paul alert level orange
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FWIW, after the "msu insider" switched his pick, the Spartan board has started to agree that Tillman to MU is #donedeal.
We are now on Ron Paul alert level orange
My roommates asked me why I was laughing so hard. Trying to explain scoop to the Brits is one of the most difficult things I've ever had to do.
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MSU Insider just posted this on the Spartan board:
was told by a source in regards to Xavier Tillman, a senior four-star power forward at Grand Rapids (Mich.) Christian, to "follow the lead of his last official visit."
The 6-foot-8, 230-pound Tillman visited Marquette last weekend with his mother. A separate source added that Tillman's mother was very impressed with the plan the Marquette coaching staff has in place for Tillman.
Keep in mind, Michigan State is still in great standing with:
-- Brian Bowen, a senior small forward at La Porte (Ind.) La Lumiere School.
-- Nojel Eastern, a senior guard at Evanston (Ill.) Township
-- Brandon McCoy, a senior at San Diego (Cali.) Cathedral Catholic
Tillman ranks as the No. 89 overall in the 247Sports Composite.
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Sorry - didn't refresh my page - not trying to bait anyone
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Sorry if I missed this earlier in the thread, but did anyone notice that "SpartanTailgate," a "Michigan State Insider" just Crystal-Balled Marquette?
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Xavier-Tillman-at-Grand-Rapids-Christian-76155/CurrentExpertPredictions (http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Xavier-Tillman-at-Grand-Rapids-Christian-76155/CurrentExpertPredictions)
Up to 27%!
You're just baiting BeeJay now, aren't you? ;)
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(http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1112/11123556/2764734-2049817071-its_h.gif)
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8 mins and counting
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Don't like to read, hey?
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On stand-by
(http://i.imgur.com/GVFbI3L.jpg)
Well done. Take the rest of the day off.
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https://www.facebook.com/MichiganStateSpartans.Landof10/
he's there...
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There have been a lot of movements in the crystal bowel this morning.
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Will I be?
(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2015/10/20/drake-dance/drake-13.w529.h352.gif)
Or?
(http://ell.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/01/54a78a9754dec_-_cryinggifs_01_1.gif)
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Middle hat!
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There have been a lot of movements in the crystal bowel this morning.
Center hat
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stream aint working ;[
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Due to all the leaks?
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I wish they'd hurry. I need to take a leak.
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stream aint working ;[
Russian hackers!
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At least we know he's really good at moving chairs... (per his high school AD)
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:-\
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I've got a call in 5 minutes I need to pay attention on. Let's go!
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dang
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So close....
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MSU
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Nuts
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We lost him!!
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Best of luck to you Xavier.
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well, that sucked.
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Damn hat ceremonies
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(http://i25.tinypic.com/29qf8s3.jpg)
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Hasahn French, C'mon down!
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So close....
Not really. We finished tied for last place.
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Oh well, whatever, nevermind.
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Sounds like a nice kid. Good luck to him.
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/NSb8InKkFKBwc/giphy.gif)
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Not really. We finished tied for last place.
Sure, if you don't count the other 16 schools he listed in his "Final 19"
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Best of luck to the kid. MSU is a great school. Can't really fault him. Onto Hashan French!
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Hasahn French, C'mon down!
I wonder if he was watching the feed?
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Damn crystal ball. Was confident it'd be MSU, then got hopeful and had it ripped away.
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If there's a school and a coach I can deal with losing to it's MSU and Izzo.
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On stand-by
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Back in stasis to await French.
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We need to face the facts. The Ron Paul card was played too soon. Scoop jinxed it! We are at fault!!
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So close....
Close counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Time to move on.
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Wojo can't recruit
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Good luck X
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so close, I thought the real chili would have clinched it. Come on Hasahn.
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Do we know when French is expected to decide?
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Rigged!!!
Next time we're gonna use a new technique before falling in love with a recruit:
EXTREME!
VETTING!!
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Don't get your hopes up about French to MU
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Don't get your hopes up about French to MU
Why
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Don't get your hopes up about French to MU
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I don't like this whole hat ceremony thing. Yes the kid is clearly a phenomenal athlete but unless you're a McDonald's all American do you really deserve a whole ceremony?
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Do we know when French is expected to decide?
Right back up on the horse, I like it.
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I don't like this whole hat ceremony thing. Yes the kid is clearly a phenomenal athlete but unless you're a McDonald's all American do you really deserve a whole ceremony?
Agreed. Henry's was awesome. Simple tweet. Sent us all scrambling to find the it's happening gif, alright alright alright pic, etc. Fun day.
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Rigged!!!
Next time we're gonna use a new technique before falling in love with a recruit:
EXTREME!
VETTING!!
Oh no, remember that SLU has already
Built That Wall!
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Wojo can't recruit
It's not Wojo fault the kid didn't have an older brother who played basketball.
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We don't know if French is that interested, XT would have made a huge impact on our roster.
After his official to MSU it was over!
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Scoop is way too calm right now for having just missed out on a recruit. Be irrational people!
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Scoop is way too calm right now for having just missed out on a recruit. Be irrational people!
I think most had given up hope before the announcement, especially given the rumored girl friend situation. I also think that Xavier would have been a good get for us given our roster for next year, but since we have Theo John in the fold, it was not a desperate must get. Xavier would have been nice and could have rebounded and scored near the hoop, etc. Would have been real nice. But on offense he definitely was not a stretch 4.
French may have more upside on Offense (very uneducated opinion, just from a couple of videos). But for some reason, I'm not sure that we get French at this point, given the delay since his visit and seemingly waiting to see what happened with Xavier (depending on who wanted the delay, French or MU).
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Wish all the best to Xavier. From what read, his family is really behind him and MSU/Izzo is a great place for his talents.
If MU does have a chance with French, they are looking at a Montrez Harrel type player with a seven foot wingspan. A big bad boy to rule the boards.
I am sure Tillman would have been a fine addition to the MU program, but a high rising player such as French will undo the missing out of Tillman. Let's hope and see what happens in next few days.
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I think most had given up hope before the announcement, especially given the rumored girl friend situation. I also think that Xavier would have been a good get for us given our roster for next year, but since we have Theo John in the fold, it was not a desperate must get. Xavier would have been nice and could have rebounded and scored near the hoop, etc. Would have been real nice. But on offense he definitely was not a stretch 4.
French may have more upside on Offense (very uneducated opinion, just from a couple of videos). But for some reason, I'm not sure that we get French at this point, given the delay since his visit and seemingly waiting to see what happened with Xavier (depending on who wanted the delay, French or MU).
French is a big boy. He'll make the best decision for him based on the available information at the time he makes a decision. As of today the likelihood that he commits to MU goes up by definition. I wouldn't worry that his visit was a whole 3 weeks ago. If he wants to play for SLU or UMass that'll be his choice.
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If you wanna know what's up w French, just have a Cristal bowel movement, aiiinnnaa..
Sad
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Fire Wojo
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I hear MUNY cooled on him.
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Nvm
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I don't like this whole hat ceremony thing. Yes the kid is clearly a phenomenal athlete but unless you're a McDonald's all American do you really deserve a whole ceremony?
Disagree. If the kid wants to have his big day, why not? No harm in it. If you just want the simple tweeted version, wait until 10 minutes after the announcement time and check Twitter. No one is making you watch.
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Disagree. If the kid wants to have his big day, why not? No harm in it. If you just want the simple tweeted version, wait until 10 minutes after the announcement time and check Twitter. No one is making you watch.
Hey he sucked in a bunch of old guys, who cannot wait for Christmas morning. Kudos to Xavier.
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Disagree. If the kid wants to have his big day, why not? No harm in it. If you just want the simple tweeted version, wait until 10 minutes after the announcement time and check Twitter. No one is making you watch.
Ok so at what point do you think they shouldn't be given a ceremony? Should a three star? Non top 100 4star? If they all can have it isn't it essentially a participation trophy, which I believe you've advocated against in the past (my bad if you haven't)
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Ok so at what point do you think they shouldn't be given a ceremony? Should a three star? Non top 100 4star? If they all can have it isn't it essentially a participation trophy, which I believe you've advocated against in the past (my bad if you haven't)
You shouldn't have a ceremony if no one will show up. Or you're committing to UWM. Not mutually exclusive.
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Ok so at what point do you think they shouldn't be given a ceremony? Should a three star? Non top 100 4star? If they all can have it isn't it essentially a participation trophy, which I believe you've advocated against in the past (my bad if you haven't)
How would it be essentially a participation trophy? If you worked hard enough to be awarded a full scholarship for a college education, even if it's for one of the worst teams in whatever sport it is, you're still one of the best players at your age in your sport in the entire country. Celebrate your huge success however you want to, you earned it.
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Ok so at what point do you think they shouldn't be given a ceremony? Should a three star? Non top 100 4star? If they all can have it isn't it essentially a participation trophy, which I believe you've advocated against in the past (my bad if you haven't)
I think you may have earned yourself a sweater-vest today.
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I think you may have earned yourself a sweater-vest today.
Is it a participation sweater vest or did I really earn it? Maybe I'll have a ceremony either way
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Ok so at what point do you think they shouldn't be given a ceremony? Should a three star? Non top 100 4star? If they all can have it isn't it essentially a participation trophy, which I believe you've advocated against in the past
Urban Prep in Chicago is a all-male charter high school in Englewood that is 85% low-income, and it sends 100% of its graduates to college - many on full-ride academic or need-based scholarships.
They have hat ceremonies for every senior once he decides on a school. It is a nice way to show that you can get out of the 'hood even if you aren't an elite athlete.
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Ok so at what point do you think they shouldn't be given a ceremony? Should a three star? Non top 100 4star? If they all can have it isn't it essentially a participation trophy, which I believe you've advocated against in the past (my bad if you haven't)
My kid did one in front of his brother, my wife and myself. Except they were the free t-shirts he got from the tours. It was very dramatic.
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My kid did one in front of his brother, my wife and myself. Except they were the free t-shirts he got from the tours. It was very dramatic.
Is this on YouTube....would watch
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It is not unfortunately.
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I think you may have earned yourself a sweater-vest today.
Plus tax
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The kid is a getting a full ride to a Big Ten university! If any of my kids did that we'd be eating at Carnevor for a month to celebrate.
Michigan F'n State --- do you realize how big of a deal that is?
Kudos to Xavier. Seems like a good kid and you cannot beat playing for Izzo.
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Crean 2.0!
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Urban Prep in Chicago is a all-male charter high school in Englewood that is 85% low-income, and it sends 100% of its graduates to college - many on full-ride academic or need-based scholarships.
They have hat ceremonies for every senior once he decides on a school. It is a nice way to show that you can get out of the 'hood even if you aren't an elite athlete.
Hmm. A hat ceremony for a full ride academic scholarship. I like that.
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The kid is a getting a full ride to a Big Ten university! If any of my kids did that we'd be eating at Carnevor for a month to celebrate.
Michigan F'n State --- do you realize how big of a deal that is?
Kudos to Xavier. Seems like a good kid and you cannot beat playing for Izzo.
TRUE DAT ;D
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Ok so at what point do you think they shouldn't be given a ceremony? Should a three star? Non top 100 4star? If they all can have it isn't it essentially a participation trophy, which I believe you've advocated against in the past (my bad if you haven't)
For announcing their decision, I really don't care. If 10 students in your chess club and a handful of family members are willing to watch Johnny announce which academic scholarship he's accepting, go for it. Even stream it live on your Facebook.
I'm not an advocate of participation trophies, but I view this like a birthday party. Personally, I don't really celebrate my birthday, certainly not with a party. But if someone else wants to, I wouldn't begrudge that.
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MUFANNY, you asked what the word was in Grand Rapids. I don't have a vast array of sources. The ones I do have always thought it was going to be Sparty. One of the reasons I said I never bet against Izzo. Early in the process, I alluded to a contentious custody battle involving X's parents. His father ended up with custody and X ended up transferring between local high schools because of it. I was not filled with optimism when I heard that his mother possibly favored MU. So, mildly disappointed, but not remotely surprised.
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MUFANNY, you asked what the word was in Grand Rapids. I don't have a vast array of sources. The ones I do have always thought it was going to be Sparty. One of the reasons I said I never bet against Izzo. Early in the process, I alluded to a contentious custody battle involving X's parents. His father ended up with custody and X ended up transferring between local high schools because of it. I was not filled with optimism when I heard that his mother possibly favored MU. So, mildly disappointed, but not remotely surprised.
Thanks. Once I found out about the girlfriend situation I figured it would be hard to compete.
I would not be surprised if two years from now X shows up on our doorstep as a transfer after being recruited over.
Also I think we have a dialogue with his teammate the point guard Duane Washington Jr. who has a lot of upside. So this was all worth it.
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I would not be surprised if two years from now X shows up on our doorstep as a transfer after being recruited over.
If we can get to the point where MSU cast-offs are seeing us a good place for quick PT, we will have arrived. Sign. Me. Up.
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Does anyone find it strange that the Crystal Bowel was changing this morning to MU, and yet it didn't happen? What was convincing people that he was coming here?
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For announcing their decision, I really don't care. If 10 students in your chess club and a handful of family members are willing to watch Johnny announce which academic scholarship he's accepting, go for it. Even stream it live on your Facebook.
I'm not an advocate of participation trophies, but I view this like a birthday party. Personally, I don't really celebrate my birthday, certainly not with a party. But if someone else wants to, I wouldn't begrudge that.
Apparently you don't appreciate how big a deal it is to go to college if you grew up in Englewood. It would be a participation trophy if this were going on at New Trier, but not here.
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Does anyone find it strange that the Crystal Bowel was changing this morning to MU, and yet it didn't happen? What was convincing people that he was coming here?
I wonder if anyone here thinks the crystal bowel is a marketing tool.
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Does anyone find it strange that the Crystal Bowel was changing this morning to MU, and yet it didn't happen? What was convincing people that he was coming here?
No, not strange. Understand what the Cristal bowel is. A marketing tool / gimmicky game. It worked again today, as designed.
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Apparently you don't appreciate how big a deal it is to go to college if you grew up in Englewood. It would be a participation trophy if this were going on at New Trier, but not here.
I think you misunderstood my intent. Maybe I did a poor job of explaining. I am not an advocate of participation trophies, however I don't feel going to college is a participation trophy. It is something worth celebrating.
Where I referenced myself, I don't celebrate much. We don't really celebrate birthdays, holidays, or have parties for much of anything. However if you have something you feel is worth celebrating, such as said birthday, holiday, or going to college, I think it's perfectly warranted and see no problem with that.
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If we can get to the point where MSU cast-offs are seeing us a good place for quick PT, we will have arrived. Sign. Me. Up.
Teal? I certainly hope so.
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I wonder if anyone here thinks the crystal bowel is a marketing tool.
Nicely done.
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Is it a participation sweater vest or did I really earn it? Maybe I'll have a ceremony either way
Depends. Are you a three-star? An non top-100 four-star?
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http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2016/09/xavier_tillman_picks_michigan.html#incart_river_home_pop
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Depends. Are you a three-star? An non top-100 four-star?
Well I could dunk in high school so I easily was a five star
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Teal? I certainly hope so.
Check out who the Lens was responding to and you'll have your answer.
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Well I could dunk in high school so I easily was a five star
Well played.
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Well I could dunk in high school so I easily was a five star
No way your 5 foot ass was dunking ;D
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Depends. Are you a three-star? An non top-100 four-star?
I'm not quite there yet.