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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: lurch91 on September 23, 2016, 10:05:02 AM
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Sorry, if this has been talked about in other threads, been in hibernation for the last few months.
But, now that Wojo signed a McDonald's AA and helped him be a high draft pick, has this given Wojo and company the ammo to sign bigs? The knock was, bigs went to the blue bloods to get noticed and developed. We all know how hard it was for Crean and Buzz to consistently get a big.
Wojo got Henry and can point to him for future bigs to say "Playing at Marquette and in the best pure basketball conference didn't hurt his development and draft status. You can expect the same."
With the verbals of Cain (6-7), John (6-9) and Eke (6-9), has Marquette left the years of midgets behind?
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I believe you're right. It definitely seems like Wojo/Marquette has some momentum on the recruiting trail right now. The future is bright, which is cool, but this year's team needs to win as well.
Just win baby!
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I think it could be more our gaping hole with big men right now. Not saying the impact of Henry won't help, but I would assume immediate playing time is helping more.
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I believe you're right. It definitely seems like Wojo/Marquette has some momentum on the recruiting trail right now. The future is bright, which is cool, but this year's team needs to win as well.
Just win baby!
I agree with this analysis.
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I think it could be more our gaping hole with big men right now. Not saying the impact of Henry won't help, but I would assume immediate playing time is helping more.
True, but Crean and Buzz has playing time to sell for years. They best they could do was Merritt and Otule.
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Sorry, if this has been talked about in other threads, been in hibernation for the last few months.
But, now that Wojo signed a McDonald's AA and helped him be a high draft pick, has this given Wojo and company the ammo to sign bigs? The knock was, bigs went to the blue bloods to get noticed and developed. We all know how hard it was for Crean and Buzz to consistently get a big.
Wojo got Henry and can point to him for future bigs to say "Playing at Marquette and in the best pure basketball conference didn't hurt his development and draft status. You can expect the same."
With the verbals of Cain (6-7), John (6-9) and Eke (6-9), has Marquette left the years of midgets behind?
Evidently, you failed to notice that Henry's year at Marquette led to him going from projected top 10 pick to the 18th pick in the draft.
I believe that the pitch is more along the lines of; "Under Coach K, I worked with many sucessful bigs at Duke and then with the many of the most talented bigs in the world for USA basketball. I know how you'll need to be developed to get to the next level."
So, I think that we are looking at more of a Wojo effect then a Henry Ellenson effect.
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Yeah, I'm not too sure Henry will be the best example, considering he was expected to be a top draft pick before he even set foot on campus.
What would be a fantastic scenario is if Luke has a great year and ends up being drafted. That would definitely be something that Wojo can point to.
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It does appear the Henry's draft status fell. A lot of this has to do with his overall athleticism, which would not of changed no matter where he went. As far as this year's recruiting Wojo is doing a good job trying to fill the teams needs, but they are borderline top 100's vs. McDonald's Americans. Wojo needs some deep runs into NCAA tournament to have a reasonable chance of signing top 25 players.
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Evidently, you failed to notice that Henry's year at Marquette led to him going from projected top 10 pick to the 18th pick in the draft.
I believe that the pitch is more along the lines of; "Under Coach K, I worked with many sucessful bigs at Duke and then with the many of the most talented bigs in the world for USA basketball. I know how you'll need to be developed to get to the next level."
So, I think that we are looking at more of a Wojo effect then a Henry Ellenson effect.
Fair. But, by playing at Marquette didn't relegate Henry to playing in the wasteland that Buzz made the Big East out to be when he left.
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What would be a fantastic scenario is if Luke has a great year and ends up being drafted.
Several scoopers have said this will NEVER happen. ::)
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Wojo needs some deep runs into NCAA tournament to have a reasonable chance of signing top 25 players.
Wojo is the first Marquette coach to sign a top 25 player in the past 36 years ::)
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Evidently, you failed to notice that Henry's year at Marquette led to him going from projected top 10 pick to the 18th pick in the draft.
I believe that the pitch is more along the lines of; "Under Coach K, I worked with many sucessful bigs at Duke and then with the many of the most talented bigs in the world for USA basketball. I know how you'll need to be developed to get to the next level."
So, I think that we are looking at more of a Wojo effect then a Henry Ellenson effect.
It really depends on which mock draft you looked at with Henry. All last year I preferred to look at NBA Draft. Net ,which consistently had him in the 24 range . After the season ended that website started to move him up in the days before the draft and the final predication was pretty close to where he was ultimately drafted.
The Wojo Pitch is I have successfully worked with many Bigs throughout my entire career and nothing changed when I came to Marquette. In fact Henry Ellenson came and developed enough under our coaching staff to realize on his dream of being an NBA draft pick.
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My guess on his sales pitch:
1. Wojo has a history of working with and winning with bigs.
2. The Big East is still a place where you can win a national championship. Why not us?
3. Recent NBA players (Ellenson included).
4. Facilities.
5. History of the program.
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My guess is Wojo's sales pitch is different to every player he recruits.
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My guess is Wojo's sales pitch is different to every player he recruits.
No need to guess - it's in Xavier's twitter picture in the other thread.
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Wojo is the first Marquette coach to sign a top 25 player in the past 36 years ::)
35 and counting for the next.
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Fair. But, by playing at Marquette didn't relegate Henry to playing in the wasteland that Buzz made the Big East out to be when he left.
I'm really confused by what this statement is attempting to mean, but the Big East is basically a "wasteland" relative to the old. There are only 2 real marquee matchups a year now. The rest are basically snooze fests.
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I'm really confused by what this statement is attempting to mean, but the Big East is basically a "wasteland" relative to the old. There are only 2 real marquee matchups a year now. The rest are basically snooze fests.
I mean if you're not a fan of good basketball that's true.
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I'm really confused by what this statement is attempting to mean, but the Big East is basically a "wasteland" relative to the old. There are only 2 real marquee matchups a year now. The rest are basically snooze fests.
When Buzz went on tv after leaving he claimed he left because there was no way a school out of a basketball only conference could ever win a national championship. Oops.
As to the conference being a "wasteland," Nova and Xavier are in our building every year, Georgetown is (top 25) good more often than not, Butler is almost always good, and Creighton is a fun ride every year. From a pure basketball perspective I'd rather be in this conference than the SEC, A10, or AAC, maybe even the Pac 12. It may not be the old Big East, but wasteland it ain't.
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The conference is going to average 5 NCAA bids a year, which is 50% of the teams. So it is not a basketball wasteland. It does lack the blue bood team.
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Several scoopers have said this will NEVER happen. ::)
It won't.
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The conference is going to average 5 NCAA bids a year, which is 50% of the teams. So it is not a basketball wasteland. It does lack the blue bood team.
How many teams in that definition?
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Several scoopers have said this will NEVER happen. ::)
I'm not saying it will happen. In fact, I would be surprised if it did.
But when someone has the size like Luke has, anything can happen.
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I'm really confused by what this statement is attempting to mean, but the Big East is basically a "wasteland" relative to the old. There are only 2 real marquee matchups a year now. The rest are basically snooze fests.
Well, the ole wasteland conference is represented by the team that just won the national championship. other than that, yeah, I guess it's lucky to be D-1
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Several scoopers have said this will NEVER happen. ::)
I'll say only that I seriously doubt Luke can play himself into a serious NBA look.
I'd love to be proven wrong, because it will mean he had one hell of a senior season. If it that's true, I like our chances of not only making the NCAAs but advancing.
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I'll say only that I seriously doubt Luke can play himself into a serious NBA look.
I'd love to be proven wrong, because it will mean he had one hell of a senior season. If it that's true, I like our chances of not only making the NCAAs but advancing.
Luke is currently #58 on the NBAdraft.net mock 2017 draft. He has been in and around that range for about a year. If he is fully healthy I think he has the potential for a strong season and move himself up in the rankings. Luke is one of those guys who I think gives a better impression live than on TV.
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The conference is going to average 5 NCAA bids a year, which is 50% of the teams. So it is not a basketball wasteland. It does lack the blue bood team.
You complain a lot.
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Don't understand da venom for HE. Da first Mickey D AA dis program's had since most of y'all ver born and a big dude besides. Wojo out recruited a bunch of blue blood who woulda given up der first born four Hank and yet some of y'all are pissed dat HE didn't win an NCAA Championship in year one* and was drafted #18. Unfookin' beliveable, ai na?
* last year's team sucked ass
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Don't understand da venom for HE. Da first Mickey D AA dis program's had since most of y'all ver born and a big dude besides. Wojo out recruited a bunch of blue blood who woulda given up der first born four Hank and yet some of y'all are pissed dat HE didn't win an NCAA Championship in year one* and was drafted #18. Unfookin' beliveable, ai na?
* last year's team sucked ass
Right on warrior!! HE was a great ride. Created a lot of national buzz(no pun). MU couldn't pay enough for the exposure. Wish him all the luck and good will in the world going forward. HE s a good guy and regardless of where HE ends up, HE will be standing
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The team didn't "suck ass" though. Much improved from the year before. And buzz's last year was depressing.
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Don't understand da venom for HE. Da first Mickey D AA dis program's had since most of y'all ver born and a big dude besides. Wojo out recruited a bunch of blue blood who woulda given up der first born four Hank and yet some of y'all are pissed dat HE didn't win an NCAA Championship in year one* and was drafted #18. Unfookin' beliveable, ai na?
* last year's team sucked ass
One of you're better posts.
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Don't understand da venom for HE. Da first Mickey D AA dis program's had since most of y'all ver born and a big dude besides. Wojo out recruited a bunch of blue blood who woulda given up der first born four Hank and yet some of y'all are pissed dat HE didn't win an NCAA Championship in year one* and was drafted #18. Unfookin' beliveable, ai na?
* last year's team sucked ass
Agreed, bunch of crazies in da scoop, hey?
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One of you're better posts.
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Henry screwed in the last nail in the Grinch's coffin. For that, we should be forever grateful.
I suspect Henry's presence will be more obviously missed in the upcoming months. More true on the defensive end.
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Henry screwed in the last nail in the Grinch's coffin. For that, we should be forever grateful.
I suspect Henry's presence will be more obviously missed in the upcoming months. More true on the defensive end.
I assume this is implying that our defense will be vastly improved. HE was terrible on defense.
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Thanks, do you ever sleep?
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Luke is currently #58 on the NBAdraft.net mock 2017 draft. He has been in and around that range for about a year. If he is fully healthy I think he has the potential for a strong season and move himself up in the rankings. Luke is one of those guys who I think gives a better impression live than on TV.
I am tired of potential. Let's see results.
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Luke has some definite barriers to getting drafted. Injuries and a lack of offensive diversity hurt him. He also isn't the most athletic of players. He could have a great season and be a first team all conference player, but I'm not convinced that would get him drafted. Especially in today's NBA where so many second round picks are used to stash Euro prospects.