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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuMark on September 17, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
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Just committed per his Twitter
I'm officially a MARQUETTE GOLDEN EAGLE...I thank God for all my BLESSINGS!!
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Need the it's happening GIF else not official
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Cue JB saying, "No it's not" based on no signed LOI yet.
Awesome news though.
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Awesome! Saw a picture of the team at Al'a run and he was in the middle of all of them. Looked to be hacing fun. Outstanding get. This is another great class.
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Wowsers. Great week.
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Was this his last scheduled visit or was this not expected?
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Was this his last scheduled visit or was this not expected?
He was supposed to go to Georgia next weekend.
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He was supposed to go to Georgia next weekend.
I thought he had one more but wasn't sure. Thanks. This is great.
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Welcome to the Marquette Family Jamal. We are very excited to have you carry on the MU tradition. In the meantime , have a great senior year in High School. You worked hard and deserved this.
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Welcome to Marquette, Jamal!
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Big Daddy Cain with a foreshadow!
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I'm starting to feel Spoiled, and I think one more will do it!
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Welcome to Marquette Jamal!!!
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2 down (John and Cain) now how about Tillman. Will take French or Nwora, or 2018 Joey Hauser.
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Will take French or Nwora, or 2018 Joey Hauser.
Why not both?
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This is great news! Welcome Jamal!
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2 down (John and Cain) now how about Tillman. Will take French or Nwora, or 2018 Joey Hauser.
Wojo told a poster on this site that he wanted to sign all four guys who are doing officials. So there must be space there somewhere for 2 more this year. Nwora, French and Tillman are all fantastic , we could take any two of those and I would be very pumped up.
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Alright alright alright. Love it. Welcome to the family Jamal. We look forward to your arrival next year!
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Wojo told a poster on this site that he wanted to sign all four guys who are doing officials. So there must be space there somewhere for 2 more this year. Nwora, French and Tillman are all fantastic , we could take any two of those and I would be very pumped up.
Hmmmm...sounds like Woj is an idiot if this is true.
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Welcome Jamal!!! September is turning out to be a good month!
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Great news to wake up to on a Sunday morning. Wojo is laying the foundation for the future.
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Alright, alright, alright!!
Some good athleticism added to the wing.
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Hmmmm...sounds like Woj is an idiot if this is true.
It's not. As usual Tex is talking out of his butt. That is NOT what the poster said.
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It's not. As usual Tex is talking out of his butt. That is NOT what the poster said.
Go and find what the poster actually said. I thought he said Wojo told him we were going to sign all four. If that is not what the poster said I will happily eat crow.
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OK, so what is the scouting report on Cain? While I hate to compare him to any alumni (seeing as he's not played a minute of D1 yet)... who does he most aptly translate to at this point?
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Athletic combo forward.
I'm not going to compare him to anyone because the hype gets out of control when we start doing that.
Has some toughness to his game from what I have read and the limited video that I have watched. Pretty smooth......had good stats in the EYBL I think. Jaybe could confirm.
Plays at a small school in Michigan and put up big numbers as you would expect.
Was definitely an ascending player as far as rankings go this spring/summer.
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Athletic combo forward.
I'm not going to compare him to anyone because the hype gets out of control when we start doing that.
Has some toughness to his game from what I have read and the limited video that I have watched. Pretty smooth......had good stats in the EYBL I think. Jaybe could confirm.
Plays at a small school in Michigan and put up big numbers as you would expect.
Was definitely an ascending player as far as rankings go this spring/summer.
An old article from his sophomore season.
https://michiganpreps.rivals.com/news/sophomore-jamal-cain-is-one-to-watch
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Wow, scholarship table updated again...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
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Big Daddy Cain with a foreshadow!
Exactly!
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Another 3-star proves again Wojo is a loser.
So what if Wojo stole him from his homestate school, or that the kid made his decision before even taking his Georgia visit next week, or that a dozen other teams wanted him.
Winning 20 games in his first season with his recruits and then going out and signing a bunch of meh players ... am I the only Marquette fan who wonders why we can't sign a half-dozen 5-star recruits every year?
Oh, and P.S., remember that Henry doesn't count.
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Another 3-star proves again Wojo is a loser.
So what if Wojo stole him from his homestate school, or that the kid made his decision before even taking his Georgia visit next week, or that a dozen other teams wanted him.
Winning 20 games in his first season with his recruits and then going out and signing a bunch of meh players ... am I the only Marquette fan who wonders why we can't sign a half-dozen 5-star recruits every year?
Oh, and P.S., remember that Henry doesn't count.
I know this is sarcasm but I keep seeing Cain referred to as a 3 star. He's a 4* almost across the board and top 100 in some rankings
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I know this is sarcasm but I keep seeing Cain referred to as a 3 star. He's a 4* almost across the board and top 100 in some rankings
Oh sure ... try to make Wojo look good with your "facts."
I don't know why he can't pick off 3-4 of the guys who go to Duke and Kentucky every year.
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Love it. Welcome Jamal! We needed some more Js.
Kid looks really good. Exact type of player we've lacked in recent years. Shooting shouldn't be an issue next year (hopefully not his year either). Super pumped to see him in an MU uni. If Wojo can close the deal on X Tillman I will be giddy.
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Oh sure ... try to make Wojo look good with your "facts."
I don't know why he can't pick off 3-4 of the guys who go to Duke and Kentucky every year.
I know this is directed at me..so be a dbag..i dont care. Has Wojo done well recruiting? Sure..but the true measure is can it translate to "W's" and most importantly..consistent NCAA berths? Thats what these classes should be judged on..so we'll see how good these classes are...NCAA Tourney good? Sweet 16's good? Final Fours good? National Champions good?
As far as anointing him a "great" recruiter? Lets pump the brakes on that a bit..lets see as time goes on if he can steal a recruit or two along the way from a Duke or Kansas or Kentucky. To be the best..you've got to beat the best.
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I know this is directed at me..so be a dbag..i dont care. Has Wojo done well recruiting? Sure..but the true measure is can it translate to "W's" and most importantly..consistent NCAA berths? Thats what these classes should be judged on..so we'll see how good these classes are...NCAA Tourney good? Sweet 16's good? Final Fours good? National Champions good?
As far as anointing him a "great" recruiter? Lets pump the brakes on that a bit..lets see as time goes on if he can steal a recruit or two along the way from a Duke or Kansas or Kentucky. To be the best..you've got to beat the best.
Marquette is not Kansas or duke or Kentucky. If you expect us to steal recruits from the likes of those programs on a regular basis, you're going to be disappointed quite often.
Wojo (and Stan) have done a great job recruiting. Like you, I hope we see it start translating to notches in the left side of the column on a more consistent basis. I think we all can agree that hopefully that'll start this year. Let's not forget Wojo did win 20 games last year without a postseason.
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Jamal Cain is a tremendous recruit for MU. I have watched him play several times and I can say with confidence he has an excellent motor, very good court awareness and vision, can take it to the rack and has a nice mid range stroke on his shot. With weight training I think his range will expand.
He is a throw back to the type of players we recruited in the 70s. We are going to be an excellent home for him.
Jamal plays on the same club as Ike Eke. I cant wait to see them playing together for us.
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Marquette is not Kansas or duke or Kentucky. If you expect us to steal recruits from the likes of those programs on a regular basis, you're going to be disappointed quite often.
Wojo (and Stan) have done a great job recruiting. Like you, I hope we see it start translating to notches in the left side of the column on a more consistent basis. I think we all can agree that hopefully that'll start this year. Let's not forget Wojo did win 20 games last year without a postseason.
To be fair..i didnt try to imply or do i expect MU to steal recruits from those 3 on a regular basis..but if Wojo could do it every once in awhile..then i think we can say he's a great recruiter.
I do expect to see MU back in the NCAA's this year as i think Reinhardt and Rowsey will be huge additions..this team should be able to shoot it this year.
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To be fair..i didnt try to imply or do i expect MU to steal recruits from those 3 on a regular basis..but if Wojo could do it every once in awhile..then i think we can say he's a great recruiter.
I do expect to see MU back in the NCAA's this year as i think Reinhardt and Rowsey will be huge additions..this team should be able to shoot it this year.
So how often is "every once in a while." This kid named Henry Ellenson cancelled his official visit to Kentucky to commit to Wojo and Marquette. So Wojo, to this point in his college coaching career, has "stolen" a recruit from Kentucky in 50% of his recruiting classes.
Oh wait I forgot, Hank doesn't count.
And if we were to get Tillman over Izzo that doesn't count because Stan worked on Tillman. And if someone from Maryland down the road comes to MU over some blue bloods it doesn't count because that's where Wojo is from. And if someone from the southeast commits over blue bloods it doesn't count because Wojo had the Duke connections there. And if someone from Arizona skips his senior year and commits over blue bloods it doesn't count because again he had his relationship with Stan.
And so on and so forth.
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To be fair..i didnt try to imply or do i expect MU to steal recruits from those 3 on a regular basis..but if Wojo could do it every once in awhile..then i think we can say he's a great recruiter.
Wojo is working on his third class. He stole Henry from those types of schools. Guess you'd call him a great recruiter.
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Cain looks to me like the type of athletic scoring wing I'd see on a team like Xavier or Oregon, and think to myself, "why can't MU get a guy like that?".
I like it.
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Kid reminds me of a skinnier, taller Todd Townsend that can jump and shoot.
Just kidding, you're the man Todd (and Townsend actually had really good hops if i remember correctly )
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So how often is "every once in a while." This kid named Henry Ellenson cancelled his official visit to Kentucky to commit to Wojo and Marquette. So Wojo, to this point in his college coaching career, has "stolen" a recruit from Kentucky in 50% of his recruiting classes.
Oh wait I forgot, Hank doesn't count.
And if we were to get Tillman over Izzo that doesn't count because Stan worked on Tillman. And if someone from Maryland down the road comes to MU over some blue bloods it doesn't count because that's where Wojo is from. And if someone from the southeast commits over blue bloods it doesn't count because Wojo had the Duke connections there. And if someone from Arizona skips his senior year and commits over blue bloods it doesn't count because again he had his relationship with Stan.
And so on and so forth.
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Now you're being ridiculous..If for one second you don't think it wasn't EASIER(not a guarantee), for Wojo to land Henry because he was in state as opposed to say from Florida..then you're just plain CLUELESS. Period. It matters. Because, the minute Wojo would ever be in on a highly regarded recruit from North Carolina..EVERYONE would be saying "will be almost impossible to get him out of the state". So it would work that way for a situation like that..but the same doesnt aplly to Henry?
Hell, I've seen plenty of people here talking about how it would be really hard to get Tillman out of Michigan and away from MSU. Gee..maybe because they are IN STATE. But yet..Henry stayed home and thats a recruiting coup..if Tillman goes to MSU..it will hardly be a shock to anyone because...wait for it..MSU is IN his home state. Funny how that works huh?
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Now you're being ridiculous..If for one second you don't think it wasn't EASIER(not a guarantee), for Wojo to land Henry because he was in state as opposed to say from Florida..then you're just plain CLUELESS. Period. It matters.
I think everyone agrees that it matters. It was certainly an advantage we had. But I think it was your earlier assertion that Henry "didn't count" because he was in state. Yes it was easier to get Henry but it was far from easy. Kentucky, Duke and Michigan State pick kids off from in state schools multiple times every class. Beating them is impressive no matter what the circumstance.
Because, the minute Wojo would ever be in on a highly regarded recruit from North Carolina..EVERYONE would be saying "will be almost impossible to get him out of the state". So it would work that way for a situation like that..but the same doesnt aplly to Henry?
It would be almost impossible for US to get a 5 star kid out of North Carolina. For Kentucky, Arizona, Louisville, etc. it would be no big issue.
Hell, I've seen plenty of people here talking about how it would be really hard to get Tillman out of Michigan and away from MSU. Gee..maybe because they are IN STATE. But yet..Henry stayed home and thats a recruiting coup..if Tillman goes to MSU..it will hardly be a shock to anyone because...wait for it..MSU is IN his home state. Funny how that works huh?
Tillman being in state is part of it. But a small part of it. It is more that he is being recruited by Michigan State, an elite level program coached by a future hall of fame member. That's why it will be hard to get him.
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Just out of curiosity I looked up how often non-elite basketball schools get 5 star prospects from out of state.
2016
#5 Markelle Fultz from MD to Washington
#19 Omari Spellman from OH to Villanova (Academic Issues)
#23 Mustapha Heron from CT to Auburn
#25 Omer Yurtseven from Turkey to NC State (academic issues)
2015
#1 Ben Simmons from FL to LSU (forgot the connection but he's related to a coach or something)
#4 Jaylen Brown from GA to Cal
#6 Diamond Stone from WI to Maryland
#16 Antonio Blakeney from FL to LSU (Originally went to Louisville than decommitted due to pending scandal)
#22 Jalen Brunson from IL to Villanova
2014
#16 D'Angelo Russell from KY to Ohio State
#18 Devin Robinson from VA to Florida (overrated)
2013
NONE
2012
#5 Steven Adams from Australia to Pitt
#10 Marcus Smart from TX to Oklahoma State
#16 Kris Dunn from CT to Providence
#17 Glenn Robinson from IN to Michigan
#25 Devonta Pollard from MS to Alabama (VERY overrated)
2011
#4 Bradley Beal from MO to Florida
#5 Quincy Miller from IL to Baylor
#8 LeBryan Nash from TX to Oklahoma State
#14 Khem Birch from MA to UNLV
#18 Jabari Brown from CA to Oregon
2010
#6 Tobias Harris from NY to Tennessee
#11 Tristan Thompson from Canada to Texas
#12 Cory Joseph from Canada to Texas
#13 Will Barton from MD to Memphis
#16 Tony Mitchell from TX to Missouri (Academically ineligible)
#19 Deshaun Thomas from IN to Ohio State
So this decade, only 27 5 star recruits have gone to an out of state non-elite basketball program.
The only schools to get more than one are: Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma State, LSU, and Villanova.
Of the 27, at least 6 had extra circumstances that may have kept elite programs from sniffing around.
Of the 27, 9 were from neighboring states, so it could be argued that the coach have still played the "close to home" card.
I don't know. This just seems like a high standard to hold Wojo to. I think it is very difficult to to recruit 5 star kids outside of your own backyard. A vast majority go either to elite programs or stay in state. To expect Wojo to regularly compete with the Dukes and Kentuckys outside of Wisconsin seems like a stretch.
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am I the only Marquette fan who wonders why we can't sign a half-dozen 5-star recruits every year week?
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I know this is directed at me..so be a dbag..i dont care. Has Wojo done well recruiting? Sure..but the true measure is can it translate to "W's" and most importantly..consistent NCAA berths?
Yet another scramble to move the goalposts.
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Nice work to all who helped derail this thread.
Welcome to the family Jamal!!
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Nice work to all who helped derail this thread.
Welcome to the family Jamal!!
Yes. Why feed the troll.
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It has been said many times here that it takes five years to judge a coach and I think that will be very true for Wojo.
Year 5 is starting to look like( I listed players by class)
C. Heldt (4) Eke (2)
PF John (2) Bailey (1)
SF Hauser (3) Cain (2)
SG Cheatham (4) Anim (4)
PG Carter (4) Howard (3)
This is starting to shape up as a very good team. I would expect year 3 to be better than year 4, but year 5 to be Wojo's year.
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Fantastic news! Welcome to Marquette Jamal!
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Awesome news! Welcome to the Marquette family,Jamal!!
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I'm in agreement with this analysis.
Welcome!
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things are really looking up. Welcome Jamal. Go Warriors!!
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Welcome to Warrior Nation Jamal!!!
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Congratulations and welcome to Marquette, Jamal!
It's great to see Wojo and the staff closing the deal on multiple top targets. To me, that says they're doing a good job of identifying players who will best fit the program and who are most interested in MU. Seems like a smart, efficient approach.
Between Eke, John and Cain, the Class of 2017 adds quality talent to the roster at much-needed positions. I'd grade the class as a solid B right now, no matter who else commits. Landing Xavier Tillman would push that into A- territory or better.
My grading scale:
A = greatly improves team's talent level, especially at key positions of need
B = improves team's talent level
C = treading water
D = degrades team's talent level
F = fails to address key team needs
Obviously, this is highly subjective. But the basic idea is pretty simple. If Wojo can recruit at a B level or better, year in and year out, that should be a good indicator for future success. Then it's up to the staff to develop and coach that talent to reach its fullest potential.
It's worth noting that this isn't a universal grading scale. Recruiting at MU is harder than recruiting at Duke or Kentucky. With Wojo landing successive Top 25 classes that collectively improve the team's overall talent level, I'd give him at least a B or B+, maybe even an A-. By that measure, you could call him a great recruiter. Coach K or Calipari, meanwhile, need to sign multiple All-Americans every year to earn a similar grade.
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Congratulations and welcome to Marquette, Jamal!
It's great to see Wojo and the staff closing the deal on multiple top targets. To me, that says they're doing a good job of identifying players who will best fit the program and who are most interested in MU. Seems like a smart, efficient approach.
Between Eke, John and Cain, the Class of 2017 adds quality talent to the roster at much-needed positions. I'd grade the class as a solid B right now, no matter who else commits. Landing Xavier Tillman would push that into A- territory or better.
My grading scale:
A = greatly improves team's talent level, especially at key positions of need
B = improves team's talent level
C = treading water
D = degrades team's talent level
F = fails to address key team needs
Obviously, this is highly subjective. But the basic idea is pretty simple. If Wojo can recruit at a B level or better, year in and year out, that should be a good indicator for future success. Then it's up to the staff to develop and coach that talent to reach its fullest potential.
It's worth noting that this isn't a universal grading scale. Recruiting at MU is harder than recruiting at Duke or Kentucky. With Wojo landing successive Top 25 classes that collectively improve the team's overall talent level, I'd give him at least a B or B+, maybe even an A-. By that measure, you could call him a great recruiter. Coach K or Calipari, meanwhile, need to sign multiple All-Americans every year to earn a similar grade.
In terms of the classes that Wojo had completer responsibility for this is how I look at it:
We have four players from the 2015 class on the roster right now. Two are going to be significant contributors, Haanif and Traci. One is going to be a role player at an important position., Matt. One is on a steady trajectory to be a solid contributor, Anim. So overall that classes improved our lot in life.
We have two players in the 2016 class. One is projected to play an immediate role and make a contribution due to his size and ability to play at the 4, Sam. The other has a lot of promise, time will tell his role this year, but in the out years he looks to be a significant contributor , Markus.
We have 3 players in the 2017 class. All three are projected to contribute at the open positions at 3,4,5, Jamal, Theo and Ike.
We have 1 player in the 2018 class, Brendan who is projected to contribute at the 2/3 and will be a 20 year old freshman.
We have two transfers, one in the 2014 class who will have a niche role as a shooter, Andrew. One in the 2013 class who will have a significant role as a shooter, Katin.
To date Wojo has not had a dud recruit or super high risk recruit. His cumulative body of work is solid. If he can finish off 2017 with one of the guys who has been mentioned and then have a solid 2018 , we should be a in postion for sustained quality play.
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To date Wojo has not had a dud recruit or super high risk recruit. His cumulative body of work is solid. If he can finish off 2017 with one of the guys who has been mentioned and then have a solid 2018 , we should be a in postion for sustained quality play.
It's too early to determine if any of Wojo's recruits are duds. I mean, he had one freshman in his first class, Cohen, who hasn't really done much. His second class included a couple players who didn't play all that much but it was understandable cause they were freshmen.
And I don't know what you want to say about Gabe Levin.
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It's too early to determine if any of Wojo's recruits are duds. I mean, he had one freshman in his first class, Cohen, who hasn't really done much. .
And honestly keeping Sandy was absolutely necessary fro him to field a (semi) competitive team in year 1 given how depleted we were.
With all the depth now, finding minutes to keep everyone happy is a nice problem to have.
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And not sure how anyone can say that Anim is " on a steady trajectory to be a solid contributor".
I mean he certainly could get there but at this point we have had seen no evidence of it.
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And not sure how anyone can say that Anim is " on a steady trajectory to be a solid contributor".
I mean he certainly could get there but at this point we have had seen no evidence of it.
Sandy and Sacre are both wild cards this year, if they give MU anything, I will be impressed with there improvement as I look at both as the 11th and 12th player
on the team right now. But Sacre did his best work selling MU to Theo, so to Anim, thank you.
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It's "Sacar."
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I know this is directed at me..so be a dbag..i dont care. Has Wojo done well recruiting? Sure..but the true measure is can it translate to "W's" and most importantly..consistent NCAA berths? Thats what these classes should be judged on..so we'll see how good these classes are...NCAA Tourney good? Sweet 16's good? Final Fours good? National Champions good?
As far as anointing him a "great" recruiter? Lets pump the brakes on that a bit..lets see as time goes on if he can steal a recruit or two along the way from a Duke or Kansas or Kentucky. To be the best..you've got to beat the best.
And hey what are we doing in the Big East anyway? It's just holding us back. It's time to drop out so that we can get that call from the ACC to join there. ND has proven that football isn't a necessity. Just give 'em a call and let 'em know that we're gonna be the best. That should do it.
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Cain looks to me like the type of athletic scoring wing I'd see on a team like Xavier or Oregon, and think to myself, "why can't MU get a guy like that?".
I like it.
Xavier was actually in on him early on.
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It's too early to determine if any of Wojo's recruits are duds. I mean, he had one freshman in his first class, Cohen, who hasn't really done much. His second class included a couple players who didn't play all that much but it was understandable cause they were freshmen.
And I don't know what you want to say about Gabe Levin.
My definition of a dud is a Jamal Ferguson/Jamail Jones type that is overwhelmed by the Big East level of play and have to go down a notch. Cohen has not lived up to expectations but he did have a defensive effort in the game against Wisconsin last year that directly helped us to win. So I would not put Cohen in the dud category, for now he is in the Juan Anderson failed to achieve potential category.
I have commented a lot about Gabe Levin. He was truly Wojo's first big recruit, if you remember we were competing head on with Notre Dame, Northwestern and Georgia Tech for him. Unfortunately , Levin perceived our recruitment of Henry as something that was not in his own best interests, and there were other personal factors at play and he immediately transferred back to the coast. He did have a very solid second season last year , similar to his first , so I think he would have done well with us if he stayed. I actually think he would have gotten a lot of playing time alongside Henry and would have been in a great position with us this year.
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How do we know that Sacar won't end up like Jamail? I mean we hope he won't...
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We have 1 player in the 2018 class, Brendan who is projected to contribute at the 2/3 and will be a 20 year old freshman.
Nothing against you here, this is just my personal view point.
I refuse to believe that Brendan Bailey will be a Day 1 contributor after a two year Mormon mission/layoff from basketball/layoff from quality strength & conditioning training until I see it.
I could be totally wrong. But I'm not expecting anything from him in year one.
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Congratulations and welcome to Marquette, Jamal!
It's great to see Wojo and the staff closing the deal on multiple top targets. To me, that says they're doing a good job of identifying players who will best fit the program and who are most interested in MU. Seems like a smart, efficient approach.
Between Eke, John and Cain, the Class of 2017 adds quality talent to the roster at much-needed positions. I'd grade the class as a solid B right now, no matter who else commits. Landing Xavier Tillman would push that into A- territory or better.
My grading scale:
A = greatly improves team's talent level, especially at key positions of need
B = improves team's talent level
C = treading water
D = degrades team's talent level
F = fails to address key team needs
Obviously, this is highly subjective. But the basic idea is pretty simple. If Wojo can recruit at a B level or better, year in and year out, that should be a good indicator for future success. Then it's up to the staff to develop and coach that talent to reach its fullest potential.
It's worth noting that this isn't a universal grading scale. Recruiting at MU is harder than recruiting at Duke or Kentucky. With Wojo landing successive Top 25 classes that collectively improve the team's overall talent level, I'd give him at least a B or B+, maybe even an A-. By that measure, you could call him a great recruiter. Coach K or Calipari, meanwhile, need to sign multiple All-Americans every year to earn a similar grade.
Last year was a decent season even though we did not make post season play. But most of our success was due to Henry. I think this year will give us a sense of where our program really is. First off if Rowsey and Katin are the shooters their suppose to be then our perimeter game should improve. I still don't think this team will win the rebound battles and that alone will put pressure on our defense to force turn overs and/or steals. It will be interesting to see if Haniif can improve off his freshman year as he is the only player I was impressed with from last season albeit Henry.
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It's extremely difficult to judge success in recruiting except by what scouts have to say. No scouting service is perfect (far from it). But the general consensus has been that Wojo's put together a couple Top 25 recruiting classes.
We're restocking the cupboard in terms of talent. So far, so good. But talent is only part of the equation. You also need to develop players and coach them to win as a team. Until Marquette gets back to the postseason (preferably the NCAA tournament variety), those two areas of Wojo's young coaching tenure will remain in question.
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This is depressing.
We had a nice recruit tell us he was coming our way today.
Instead of celebrating, we're complaining that Wojo isn't Al, or at least Coach K and our recruits aren't Bo Ellis, David Boone, Jerel McNeill and Maurice Lucas rolled into one.
Look, the kid is a four star recruit. We're getting talent that, if we're not an elite team, we'll help get us there soon.
I want to see what Coach Wojo does with what he has, but c'mon guys. Wait until next week sometime to urinate on this parade? OK?
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Nothing against you here, this is just my personal view point.
I refuse to believe that Brendan Bailey will be a Day 1 contributor after a two year Mormon mission/layoff from basketball/layoff from quality strength & conditioning training until I see it.
I could be totally wrong. But I'm not expecting anything from him in year one.
Here is an article that supports your position:
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2015/5/9/8564195/guide-what-athletes-do-on-lds-mormon-missions-trips-hint-not-professional-training-or-weightlifting
He left for mission on April 12 so in theory he will have 6 months to get back into condition and become basketball ready again. Todd will have him ready.
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This is depressing.
We had a nice recruit tell us he was coming our way today.
Instead of celebrating, we're complaining that Wojo isn't Al, or at least Coach K and our recruits aren't Bo Ellis, David Boone, Jerel McNeill and Maurice Lucas rolled into one.
Look, the kid is a four star recruit. We're getting talent that, if we're not an elite team, we'll help get us there soon.
I want to see what Coach Wojo does with what he has, but c'mon guys. Wait until next week sometime to urinate on this parade? OK?
Get off your high horse. It's one guy who was baited into it.
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Jamal demonstrates a wide variety of skills. I like that about him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3abFWPI_28
His body control is something that just cannot be taught.
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Get off your high horse. It's one guy who was baited into it.
Grrrrrrr!!!!!
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I'm bullish on MU under Wojo.
He's come out of the gate strong on the recruiting front.
JJJ's emergence during the Big East conference season this year shows promise in terms of developing players. (Not to mention Wojo's experience working with some of the best players in college basketball at Duke.) This year, of course, should tell more of the story: Duane, Luke, Haanif, Traci, Heldt, Anim, etc.
As far as coaching goes, I'm encouraged by a couple things. For one, Coach K didn't name Wojo to the Olympic coaching staff as a recruiter. He came to MU with arguably a better resume than either Kevin O'Neill or Tom Crean. (Buzz had a year as a Division I head coach.) And unlike some young teams struggling with inconsistent play, Marquette hung together throughout the season. Again, time will tell.
With more depth and experience, there's a chance we could be a better team even without Henry. I can't wait for the season to start.
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Excited about the commit. People here have to chill. Wojo is looking to be a great recruiter. The missing ingredient (that everyone wants) is the W's. The guy is pulling in talent while losing. If the guy can develop players, we should have some fun watching at least for a few years.
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It's not. As usual Tex is talking out of his butt. That is NOT what the poster said.
Go and find what the poster actually said. I thought he said Wojo told him we were going to sign all four. If that is not what the poster said I will happily eat crow.
I have seen Lewis play last year, was not overly impressed, very skinny but he obviously came a long way this summer. Cain looks bigger and a little stronger. Did
anybody see both this summer and thoughts? On tape, Cain looks really good.
I hope Cain and Eke are friends with X, they should take a ride over to his house and do some extra recruiting. I am sure Wojo and crew might fly there before
there visit next weekend. At least, he did not commit to MSU yet.
If X or French commit, what are your thoughts on Eke red-shirting for a year. 13 kids in todays world, has to be hard to keep the kids all happy. I know it is what it
is, but I think 12 is a perfect number and nowadays as you can pick up another player in spring.
I was the one who talked to Wojo, and yes he was very confident he was going to sign all 4, very confident. Out recruited Michigan, that is for sure. Love to out recruit Izzo. I will then say, yes, Wojo, can recruit. I know these kids are not in the top 20 in the country, but solid Top 100 kids and that is how you build your program. One step at a time. Next is getting into the NCAA tournament. Once he does that, then MU might have a chance for a higher ranked kid outside of Wisconsin.
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I haven't seen an analysis yet as how Wojo's recruiting is stacking up against the other nine teams in the conference. Is MU rising faster than its conference competitors? At the end of the day, those are the only teams MU needs to concerned about.
Look at last year's conference results to the left, which of those teams has MU moved past going into this season?
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Not sure any, but the difference between a good Big East season and last is two more victories. It can happen. Providence and Butler may not be better, Creighton
not sure. Hall, Villy and X might be another 6 losses. Need 1 or hoping 2 from that group. It will be interesting. I think the team can get to 10 victories, if Luke plays
to his potential, whatever that is.
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Jamal demonstrates a wide variety of skills. I like that about him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3abFWPI_28
His body control is something that just cannot be taught.
I hope he can do that here. We shall see.
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I haven't seen an analysis yet as how Wojo's recruiting is stacking up against the other nine teams in the conference. Is MU rising faster than its conference competitors? At the end of the day, those are the only teams MU needs to concerned about.
Look at last year's conference results to the left, which of those teams has MU moved past going into this season?
In terms of recruiting class rankings, Wojo's first two classes were the best in the Big East.
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In terms of recruiting class rankings, Wojo's first two classes were the best in the Big East.
When I read posts that are not impressed with Wojo’s recruiting current record, I think of Rodney Dangerfield’s Mother-in Law story.
He wanted to impress her as she had never seen the Ocean, and he said “ Take a look at that Ma ”…..she looks at him and said “it’s not as big as I though.”
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In terms of recruiting class rankings, Wojo's first two classes were the best in the Big East.
And that was good for 9th and 7th place.
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Not sure any, but the difference between a good Big East season and last is two more victories. It can happen. Providence and Butler may not be better, Creighton
not sure. Hall, Villy and X might be another 6 losses. Need 1 or hoping 2 from that group. It will be interesting. I think the team can get to 10 victories, if Luke plays
to his potential, whatever that is.
So we got a real good shot at 5th place then?
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And that was good for 9th and 7th place.
Progress! By this rate we will win the BE by 2019!!!
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And that was good for 9th and 7th place.
I would say that was more due to the preceding two classes/departures. I'm optimistic about Wojo's first two classes when they are upperclassmen.
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And that was good for 9th and 7th place.
Well, his first class was good for 7th place. His 2nd class hasn't played a game yet.
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Need the it's happening GIF else not official
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Not sure any, but the difference between a good Big East season and last is two more victories. It can happen. Providence and Butler may not be better, Creighton
not sure. Hall, Villy and X might be another 6 losses. Need 1 or hoping 2 from that group. It will be interesting. I think the team can get to 10 victories, if Luke plays
to his potential, whatever that is.
Better: Creighton, Georgetown, Marquette, and St. Johns
About the Same: Butler, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Xavier
Worse: Providence and Depaul
Translation: BE is gonna be a clusterfock with Depaul chilling in the basement
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Progress! By this rate we will win the BE by 2019!!!
I'd happily take a 5th place finish in the Big East this season (2016-17). If history is any indication, that equals an at-large bid to the Bigi Dance.
Honestly, we may not be that far off. We were 8-10 in conference last year. If MU can: 1) get a couple good non-conference wins; 2) avoid losing to teams like Belmont; and 3) win one or two more Big East games (DePaul would be a great start), we're probably in.
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Progress! By this rate we will win the BE by 2019!!!
That may be optimistic; unless they show otherwise on the court rather on potential.
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This is depressing.
We had a nice recruit tell us he was coming our way today.
Instead of celebrating, we're complaining that Wojo isn't Al, or at least Coach K and our recruits aren't Bo Ellis, David Boone, Jerel McNeill and Maurice Lucas rolled into one.
Look, the kid is a four star recruit. We're getting talent that, if we're not an elite team, we'll help get us there soon.
I want to see what Coach Wojo does with what he has, but c'mon guys. Wait until next week sometime to urinate on this parade? OK?
His video looks good. I guess what were all wondering is if all his talents on display in high school will translate to play here at MU. So far the players that Nova, Butler, X, the Hall have been getting are better than ours on the court. Once that changes I'll be convinced. My expectations for this season are not high as I still don't see the athleticism to compete on the boards or the perimeter shooting will need to keep the opposing defense from zoning us all the time. I hope I am wrong. I don't think will really know for another 2 seasons.
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My expectations for this season are not high as I still don't see the athleticism to compete on the boards or the perimeter shooting will need to keep the opposing defense from zoning us all the time.
Uh...shooting?...let me introduce you to Rowsey, Reinhardt, Hauser and Howard...all excellent shooters...plus Johnson, Cheatham, Cohen and Wilson are all respectable...so shooting won't be a problem.
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Uh...shooting?...let me introduce you to Rowsey, Reinhardt, Hauser and Howard...all excellent shooters...plus Johnson, Cheatham, Cohen and Wilson are all respectable...so shooting won't be a problem.
Lights of the gym--meet our roster.
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Uh...shooting?...let me introduce you to Rowsey, Reinhardt, Hauser and Howard...all excellent shooters...plus Johnson, Cheatham, Cohen and Wilson are all respectable...so shooting won't be a problem.
Hauser and Howard both need *'s by their names or a separate category of 'excellent potential'. i'm sure they are going to fine but let's let them get into the BE season before we say they are 'excellent'. after all, aren't we still waiting for Henry's excellent 3pt shooting?
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Hauser and Howard both need *'s by their names or a separate category of 'excellent potential'. i'm sure they are going to fine but let's let them get into the BE season before we say they are 'excellent'. after all, aren't we still waiting for Henry's excellent 3pt shooting?
Hauser is great at setting his feet, catching the ball squared up to the basket and has a lightning quick release. Very similar to Novak at the same stage. Yes, I saw both play a bit in HS. Not to hype Hauser too much, but I really think he'll be excellent. As soon as this year.
Howard has a gorgeous release, though I haven't seen as much of him. I'll agree that we'll need to wait and see. If Carter and Rowsey play well, Howard could find minutes hard to come by.
Never saw Henry as a great 3 point shooter. He was a 27% shooter from downtown his senior year and 67% at FT line. I was actually pleasantly surprised that Henry shot 75% on FT last year. Sure he could hit 3's but he lacked consistency with his form. Hauser is a way better shooter.
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Uh...shooting?...let me introduce you to Rowsey, Reinhardt, Hauser and Howard...all excellent shooters...plus Johnson, Cheatham, Cohen and Wilson are all respectable...so shooting won't be a problem.
I'll believe it when I see it. Otherwise I appreciate your optimism.
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And that was good for 9th and 7th place.
Oh pleeeasssee!
We had a group of young kids last year -- mostly freshmen. Coach tried like heck to get experienced "rent a leader" for last year's team in the form of a graduate transfer. We missed. These are the breaks when we're building from scratch without activelyu recruiting Jucos.
I would remind everybody that Al inherited a disaster as well. First year was terrible. Second year was better and subsequent years went just as Wojo has done -- build on previous successes. I'm optimistic we're going to get where we need to get to. This year should be telling and hopefully, we'll get back to the NCAAs.
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So far the players that Nova, Butler, X, the Hall have been getting are better than ours on the court.
I'd challenge that. Wojo has exactly one recruiting class hit the court at this point. 2 members of that class made the all freshman team. One made first team all big east. No other team last year managed that.
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Oh pleeeasssee!
We had a group of young kids last year -- mostly freshmen. Coach tried like heck to get experienced "rent a leader" for last year's team in the form of a graduate transfer. We missed. These are the breaks when we're building from scratch without activelyu recruiting Jucos.
I would remind everybody that Al inherited a disaster as well. First year was terrible. Second year was better and subsequent years went just as Wojo has done -- build on previous successes. I'm optimistic we're going to get where we need to get to. This year should be telling and hopefully, we'll get back to the NCAAs.
Remember back then you had a freshman team, his first big signing was George Thompson, who started the ball rolling and might be the best player ever in an MU
uniform, look at what he did in his three years at MU. So at best third year. I do not consider Wojos first year any different than Al's, might have done better, getting
Carlino. They might have really been bad if he did not show up. The second year was much better, and if Henry stayed, who knows. Now adays you have to rebuild
every year if you get one and done kids. This year, 2 more transfers, had to do it to get some veteran leadership. Next year, better but you do not know how freshman will perform. A line-up of: John, Hauser, Cain, Cheatham and Carter or Howard should be interesting. If you get Tillman, it will become very interesting. The
following year they would be all back, add a piece, then you have to believe.
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I'd challenge that. Wojo has exactly one recruiting class hit the court at this point. 2 members of that class made the all freshman team. One made first team all big east. No other team last year managed that.
We have only one coming back though and he did not make the first team.
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We have only one coming back though and he did not make the first team.
So Wojo gets penalized in your mind because of that?
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We have only one coming back though and he did not make the first team.
Direct quote from the BEast site:
"The BIG EAST Freshman of the Year will come from the BIG EAST All-Freshman Team. There was a tie in the voting, so extra selections were added. Marquette’s Ellenson was a unanimous pick along with a pair of guards, Villanova’s Jalen Brunson and Xavier’s Edmond Sumner. Also selected were Georgetown’s Jessie Govan, Marquette’s Haanif Cheatham, and St. John’s Kassoum Yakwe."
So yes, Haanif was First Team all Frosh although he was not one of 3 unanimous selections. Oh, and MU was the only school that had two players included. Revisionist history corrected.
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We have only one coming back though and he did not make the first team.
You sure about that?
http://www.bigeast.com/news/2016/3/6/MBB_0306160917.aspx
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He only makes the easy all conference teams.
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You guys ever notice that when one of the 'boo birds' posts something demonstrably false in an effort to further their negative narrative that more often than not they fail to acknowledge their mistake?
So when Wojo inks Tillman or French, does our ranking make the Top 15? Look, I agree with many that those things are a little silly but if one uses 'A', 'B', or 'C' ratings we've been at or near the top of the BEast every year since Wojo started recruiting here.
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You sure about that?
http://www.bigeast.com/news/2016/3/6/MBB_0306160917.aspx
Yes, Henry is the only Marquette player on the All Big East First Team. Haanif is not, he made the Big East Frosh team with Henry. So Haanif is the only player returning and did not make the First team all Big East.
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I'd challenge that. Wojo has exactly one recruiting class hit the court at this point. 2 members of that class made the all freshman team. One made first team all big east. No other team last year managed that.
69, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you misread TAMU's comment. This is what you initially responded to. Carry on.
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Yes, Henry is the only Marquette player on the All Big East First Team. Haanif is not, he made the Big East Frosh team with Henry. So Haanif is the only player returning and did not make the First team all Big East.
Haha, my bad. I honestly read "he" as HE. I thought you were saying Henry did not make first team.
Still, just because one went pro does not support your theory that Wojo's players have been inferior to other team's players. In fact, it says the opposite because no other BE coaches managed to pull in an NBA ready freshmen.
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69, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you misread TAMU's comment. This is what you initially responded to. Carry on.
Appreciate that and for the record I am not a "boo bird". I go to all the MU games when they play here in Jersey. A true fan is one who supports the team even when they are not that good. I hope Wojo sticks around for the long hall and builds a nice program that he can be proud to call his own. We just have to be patient. I hope Jamal, Theo and Ike are the players that will start to turn the program around, but they have to show that on the court, not on potential. Right now the only player on our team that I consider the real deal is Haanif. I do hope JJJ and Luke have a great senior year and provide the leadership this team has been lacking for some time. This season will be a good indication of where we are without Henry.
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Howard has a gorgeous release, though I haven't seen as much of him. I'll agree that we'll need to wait and see. If Carter and Rowsey play well, Howard could find minutes hard to come by.
All I know is he was the only three point shooter worth a damn on the U17 team that won the World Championship and teams still couldn't stop him from shooting.
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Appreciate that and for the record I am not a "boo bird". I go to all the MU games when they play here in Jersey. A true fan is one who supports the team even when they are not that good. I hope Wojo sticks around for the long hall and builds a nice program that he can be proud to call his own. We just have to be patient. I hope Jamal, Theo and Ike are the players that will start to turn the program around, but they have to show that on the court, not on potential. Right now the only player on our team that I consider the real deal is Haanif. I do hope JJJ and Luke have a great senior year and provide the leadership this team has been lacking for some time. This season will be a good indication of where we are without Henry.
Fair enough. Will you acknowledge that passing judgment on other young players might be a little premature? Let's take Traci for a moment. One must acknowledge that he was a PG upgrade, even as a Frosh. We have no way of knowing how good he'll be as an upperclassman. So truth be told, might you be coloring your judgment of Wojo's recruiting by looking at Buzz' failed recruiting, especially his last year or two at MU?
As to your 'start to turn around' comment. What the sam heck was last year? Do you remember how god awful we were the year before that? Some of that turnaround happened DURING last season as one would expect when 3/5 of the starting lineup were Frosh. I was at the Iowa game. I was also at the GTown game at the end. Night and day brother.
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All I know is he was the only three point shooter worth a damn on the U17 team that won the World Championship and teams still couldn't stop him from shooting.
The coach had him planted at the three point line and the other guards would take it to the hole. You either try to stop the other guards or you try and stop Howard. There was no way a team can do both. It was somewhat similar to having James and Novak on the same team.
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He only makes the easy all conference teams.
Have we discussed a banner?
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The coach had him planted at the three point line and the other guards would take it to the hole. You either try to stop the other guards or you try and stop Howard. There was no way a team can do both. It was somewhat similar to having James and Novak on the same team.
My instincts are that Rowsey/Howard will be manning that spot up location this year while Hanni/JJJ and Traci penetrate. Could be some exciting O.
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Fair enough. Will you acknowledge that passing judgment on other young players might be a little premature? Let's take Traci for a moment. One must acknowledge that he was a PG upgrade, even as a Frosh. We have no way of knowing how good he'll be as an upperclassman. So truth be told, might you be coloring your judgment of Wojo's recruiting by looking at Buzz' failed recruiting, especially his last year or two at MU?
As to your 'start to turn around' comment. What the sam heck was last year? Do you remember how god awful we were the year before that? Some of that turnaround happened DURING last season as one would expect when 3/5 of the starting lineup were Frosh. I was at the Iowa game. I was also at the GTown game at the end. Night and day brother.
Yes, Traci was an upgrade and I think he will contribute to the team, but IMHO and it is just that my opinion he did not pass the eye test as did Haanif last year; but let's see how he does with a season under his belt. I agree Buzz's HS recruits were mostly 4 star busts. Let's hope JJJ and Duane prove me wrong this season. I guess the question about last season is: How much of that success was due to Henry? I think the answer to that will be how we fair this season. My real concern for this season is will we be able to crash the boards with the likes of Seton Hall and Xavier, hope Hawser is a banger. I hope Katin and Rowsey are the shooters they are advertised to be and our Freshman can contribute some minutes. I would like to see Luke have a great senior year and hope Matt gets at least 10 minutes a game so we have another big to keep our opponents defense honest. You know the old adage: a pessimist is the only true optimist. I may be a Debbie Downer, but it does not mean I don't want the team to succeed or that the program is going in the wrong direction. It's just that I don't put too much stock in highlight videos or star rankings. We'll see if Wojo and his staff have an eye for good ballplayers and deserve the 22nd best recruiting class (which to me is meaningless) by how well they execute on the court over the next several seasons.
Besides all of the above we have a young coaching staff learning how to lead rather than follow and they will make their share of mistakes as well, which is why I am willing to give Wojo a long leash and be patient. He comes from a winning tradition and he wants to win just as bad as we all do.
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Penetration leadin' ta excitin' O is always a good thin', ai na?
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Yes, Traci was an upgrade and I think he will contribute to the team, but IMHO and it is just that my opinion he did not pass the eye test as did Haanif last year; but let's see how he does with a season under his belt. I agree Buzz's HS recruits were mostly 4 star busts. Let's hope JJJ and Duane prove me wrong this season. I guess the question about last season is: How much of that success was due to Henry? I think the answer to that will be how we fair this season. My real concern for this season is will we be able to crash the boards with the likes of Seton Hall and Xavier, hope Hawser is a banger. I hope Katin and Rowsey are the shooters they are advertised to be and our Freshman can contribute some minutes. I would like to see Luke have a great senior year and hope Matt gets at least 10 minutes a game so we have another big to keep our opponents defense honest. You know the old adage: a pessimist is the only true optimist. I may be a Debbie Downer, but it does not mean I don't want the team to succeed or that the program is going in the wrong direction. It's just that I don't put too much stock in highlight videos or star rankings. We'll see if Wojo and his staff have an eye for good ballplayers and deserve the 22nd best recruiting class (which to me is meaningless) by how well they execute on the court over the next several seasons.
Besides all of the above we have a young coaching staff learning how to lead rather than follow and they will make their share of mistakes as well, which is why I am willing to give Wojo a long leash and be patient. He comes from a winning tradition and he wants to win just as bad as we all do.
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I don't know that the other young players on the team got the same chance to grow and shine with HE on the team last year. The offense ran through him - and he's a tremendous offensive talent - but he was far from the most efficient focal point for our offense. I for one am excited to watch this team, since I think we will be more well-rounded offensively and defensively. The key to unlocking our ceiling, as you alluded to, is crashing the boards, and it will need to be a team effort unless Luke shows up night and day better than last year.
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Appreciate that and for the record I am not a "boo bird". I go to all the MU games when they play here in Jersey. A true fan is one who supports the team even when they are not that good. I hope Wojo sticks around for the long hall and builds a nice program that he can be proud to call his own. We just have to be patient. I hope Jamal, Theo and Ike are the players that will start to turn the program around, but they have to show that on the court, not on potential. Right now the only player on our team that I consider the real deal is Haanif. I do hope JJJ and Luke have a great senior year and provide the leadership this team has been lacking for some time. This season will be a good indication of where we are without Henry.
I would be interested in seeing your game by game predictions that are requested in this thread:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=52296.0
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This will be an unpopular opinion, but I don't know that the other young players on the team got the same chance to grow and shine with HE on the team last year. The offense ran through him - and he's a tremendous offensive talent - but he was far from the most efficient focal point for our offense. I for one am excited to watch this team, since I think we will be more well-rounded offensively and defensively. The key to unlocking our ceiling, as you alluded to, is crashing the boards, and it will need to be a team effort unless Luke shows up night and day better than last year.
I agree with this analysis.
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This will be an unpopular opinion, but I don't know that the other young players on the team got the same chance to grow and shine with HE on the team last year. The offense ran through him - and he's a tremendous offensive talent - but he was far from the most efficient focal point for our offense. I for one am excited to watch this team, since I think we will be more well-rounded offensively and defensively. The key to unlocking our ceiling, as you alluded to, is crashing the boards, and it will need to be a team effort unless Luke shows up night and day better than last year.
I don't think that will be unpopular at all. Henry was a high usage, moderately low efficiency player much of the year. By the end of the season, he really turned it on, but I think most would agree that everyone else on the team had fewer opportunities because of how heavily we relied on Henry.
Everyone will get more chances with him gone. Granted, that means we are losing our most talented player, but it certainly opens up the court for everyone remaining on the roster.
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Yes, Traci was an upgrade and I think he will contribute to the team, but IMHO and it is just that my opinion he did not pass the eye test as did Haanif last year;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwiTiClLeU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwiTiClLeU)
If the link doesn't take you there, go to about 1:50 in the video.
Eye test passed.
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I would be interested in seeing your game by game predictions that are requested in this thread:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=52296.0
I sarcastically predicted 0-30. I know will be better than that and hope we can win 20 like last year.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwiTiClLeU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwiTiClLeU)
If the link doesn't take you there, go to about 1:50 in the video.
Eye test passed.
Traci was an exceedingly better point guard than Haanif was. The problem was Traci was a freshman, and unless the freshman in question is VERY good, they really struggle at being the primary point guard.
Now Traci may not end up getting much more than the 23 mpg he got last year. But that's because there are some other options. But IMO he will be better in those 23 minutes than he was last year.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwiTiClLeU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwiTiClLeU)
If the link doesn't take you there, go to about 1:50 in the video.
Eye test passed.
That is one game. I was talking about the entire season....and Georgetown had a loosing season last year. Hope Traci proves me wrong this season, OK? Obviously your eyes see something different than my eyes, which does not make either of us wrong.
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That is one game. I was talking about the entire season....and Georgetown had a loosing season last year. Hope Traci proves me wrong this season, OK? Obviously your eyes see something different than my eyes, which does not make either of us wrong.
I think Traci will greatly benefit from having a year of experience.
For comparison purposes:
2015/2016 Traci 790 minutes 153 assists 77 turnovers 1.987 ratio
2014/2015 Derrick 1053 minutes 150 assists 51 turnovers 2.941 ratio
2013/2014 Derrick 987 minutes 135 assists 48 turnovers 2.813 ratio
2012/2013 Cadougan 982 minutes 133 assists 87 turnovers 1.529 ratio
2011/2012 Cadougan 972 minutes 183 assists 90 turnovers 2.033
Comparing assists to minutes played Traci was the best point guard when it came to assists, but he also was the most turnover prone. I would expect his turnover rate to fall as the game slows down for him.
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For all Traci's talent and potential, he didn't play like a high-level point guard last season. Nobody confused him with Kris Dunn or Maurice Watson. Traci's performance was inconsistent, he committed turnovers at a shockingly high rate and his overall offensive efficiency was low.
There was plenty of blame to go around, of course — because you could say the same about pretty much the rest of the team.
The fortunate thing is that, with time and experience, potential has a way of becoming reality. Freshman aren't freshmen anymore. They're no longer wide-eyed about the big, new world of college basketball. Been there, done that. They've had months to mature physically and improve their games.
Along with the new talent and experience we'll bring to the court this year in Rowsey and Reinhardt, youth and inexperience can no longer be an excuse. Wojo won't be counting on 3 freshman to play major minutes or carry the offense. That makes me optimistic for the season.
But that's far from a guarantee. The Big East conference schedule is a crucible. At this point, nobody knows if we have what it takes to overtake teams like Creighton, Butler, Seton Hall or Providence. And the picture won't get any clearer until the season gets underway.
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This is far from scientific, but frequently frosh/soph guards look like they struggle with the pace of college bball - this is amplified with PGs in my opinion.
Traci showed he was fast and aggressive enough to beat experienced guards while on offense. His fault is he couldn't use that speed for positive impact because just making the move caused him to be out of control or he wasn't looking up to be able to make the pass once he beat his man. There were tiny bits of games though where he showed both the speed and poise to complete this with control. For example there were moments of him breaking the press in the second half against Villanova at home that you saw flashes of this (speed + control).
I remind myself that usually I don't get to see this learning process on the floor because there is enough depth to bury the player on the bench or put him in as a 2G to learn in a role that gets less touches.
That is why I am optimistic. If the game slows down for him, I think he can certainly be the best PG in recent memory and probably be as good as someone like C. Henry.
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Back to Cain.....anyone else think his form on his shots is reminiscent of Wade?
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From the summer league video I've seen, most of his scoring was on layups and dunks. It's hard for me to say anything about his shooting form. (Plus, these videos only show the shots he made, when his form is presumably the best. Not all that instructive, in my opinion.)
A couple other things struck me, though. One is how smooth he looks on the court, with or without the ball. Jamal seems to have a good handle, losing defenders with a wicked crossover a couple times. In another sequence, he outran at least 3 guys down the court on the break, caught the outlet pass in stride and finished effortlessly. He can sure cover a lot of distance in a hurry.
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Back to Cain.....anyone else think his form on his shots is reminiscent of Wade?
From what I saw, he has a lot of issues with his jumper: Twists his upper body, doesn't square his feet, one foot way out in front of the other, etc... not pretty.
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From what I saw, he has a lot of issues with his jumper: Twists his upper body, doesn't square his feet, one foot way out in front of the other, etc... not pretty.
They all want to copy Kobe' shot.
Hopefully, the coaches fix this. Seeing the difference in jjj's jumper makes me optimistic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwiTiClLeU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwiTiClLeU)
If the link doesn't take you there, go to about 1:50 in the video.
Eye test passed.
Go to 1:19 and it will show JJJ with great court vision on several plays in a row. He is truly our best passer.
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They all want to copy Kobe' shot.
Hopefully, the coaches fix this. Seeing the difference in jjj's jumper makes me optimistic.
Teaching one foot in front of the other for jump shots is pretty popular now, so it may be intentional. Look at Steph Curry etc.
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Teaching one foot in front of the other for jump shots is pretty popular now, so it may be intentional. Look at Steph Curry etc.
Here is a link to the video I watched. Has a twist and his right shoulder comes around due to his foot position. Doesn't start out square and ends up worse. Jumps forward and seems to kick his right leg out.
Hope I'm wrong and he improves as a shooter with the current form. One thing is for sure, there is a lot to like about his game!
Hope this link works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3abFWPI_28
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Here is a link to the video I watched. Has a twist and his right shoulder comes around due to his foot position. Doesn't start out square and ends up worse. Jumps forward and seems to kick his right leg out.
Hope I'm wrong and he improves as a shooter with the current form. One thing is for sure, there is a lot to like about his game!
Hope this link works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3abFWPI_28
Many similarities to JJJ at the same age. The coaches will work with Jamal on any form issues. In the meantime, his agility, motor,court awareness and body control when leaping high are not things that can be taught.
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He shot 37% from 3 in AAU ball against top level competition. Gets good arc on his shot and they go in a good percentage of the time. Brett Nelson totally transformed JJ's shot which was much worse.
http://www.d1circuit.com/stats/team_instance/1806452?subseason=282324&tab=team_instance_player_stats&tool=1794524
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Seems to favor his right, though I did see a play where he used his left hand for a layup.
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https://twitter.com/1kwebb/status/785218655579729920
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Early favorite to unseat Sandy next year!
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https://twitter.com/1kwebb/status/785218655579729920
Gotta update those shorts, ai'na?
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https://twitter.com/1kwebb/status/785218655579729920
Holy crap
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I had a one handed breakaway dunk at the rec center in 1981. Thunderous. Meh.
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I had a one handed breakaway dunk at the rec center in 1981. Thunderous. Meh.
Sounds almost Ners-like. Almost....
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I had a one handed breakaway dunk at the rec center in 1981. Thunderous. Meh.
Never could dunk, was a great rebounder for my size though.
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Sounds almost Ners-like. Almost....
Difference is, I could snap Ners like a twig.
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I had a one handed breakaway drunk at the rec center in 1981. Thunderous. Meh.
FIFY
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I had a one handed breakaway dunk at the rec center in 1981. Thunderous. Meh.
Yo, "Magic" Chili!
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Welcome Jamal!
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https://twitter.com/1kwebb/status/785218655579729920
Oh my
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Oh my
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