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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: jsglow on August 29, 2016, 07:07:58 PM
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Signs with the Bucks filling the roster. One more spot up 3 man. Congratulations Steve.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2016/08/29/steve-novak-signs-deal-return-bucks/89558240/
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Cool
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Sweet!--I'm sure he will be at the Al with a few fellow Bucks playing and speaking to the young guns and recruits about life in the league and how MU made him who he is today. Great ambassador. Any interview he gives he will speak of the great qualities of MU. Very happy.
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Excellent news for Steve and MU. How he is healthy and enjoys some good moments.
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I remember the year of the lockout when all the NBA guys came back for Madness. Dumb kids picked their 'teams' and for the 3 point contest picked DWade first and Novak last. The guys got a chuckle out of that one. To this day I think chick jr's friend still brags that he hit more 3s than his teammate Wade.
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Would expect nothing less from the Bucks.
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Will be cool to have 3 NBA players and one NBADL player who were legends here within 90miles of campus for the 100 year anniversary. What's sad is Jimmy will probably be given more props than McNeal by these damn kids.
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That's because Jimmy had the better MU career.
Doesn't confuse accumulation with production.
Jerel wasn't even the best player in his class. Unfortunately he didn't realize it and many times didn't allow others to completely flourish.
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Would expect nothing less from the Bucks.
You really are a Debbie Downer sometimes wade. We're talking 15th freakin' man here. Don't really think this is make or break for the franchise.
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That's because Jimmy had the better MU career.
Doesn't confuse accumulation with production.
Jerel wasn't even the best player in his class. Unfortunately he didn't realize it and many times didn't allow others to completely flourish.
+1
I'd venture that no player in MU history has shown more growth from the day he walked in the MU gym for the first time to his NBA peak than JFB.
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You really are a Debbie Downer sometimes wade. We're talking 15th freakin' man here. Don't really think this is make or break for the franchise.
That's the issue here. We're spending our last roster spot on a 33 year old who had 3 "good" (over 6 points per game?) seasons in his entire career, the most recent being 5 years ago. I love Novak and I'm glad the Bucks gave him the opportunity to retire on his own terms rather than being forced to because he was cut from his team, especially since the Bucks were going nowhere by that point in the season last year. But I'd rather give my last roster spot to Matt Carlino or Derrick Wilson.
Whn you're trying to take the next step with your young core of players that you think can be superstars, consider me to continue to be beyond unimpressed with the offseason moves. Last year you rid yourself of Zaza (ugh) and Dudley (ugh) to trade a first round pick for 1 year of Greivis Vasquez (ugh...even if Greivis produced on the court it's still a horrible move). Now you see OJ Mayo get banned from the NBA (whatever) and see Bayless walk (ugh) and replace them with Teletovic (love the move...got one right finally), Delly (ugh), a 33 year old Novak (ugh), and a 38 year old Jason Terry (ugh) and can't unload Moose (ugh) or MCW (ugh). Novak was literally going to be out of the NBA if the Bucks didn't pick up the hometown kid midseason last year. Now we're signing him for another year. Jason Terry literally admitted that he basically called every team and finally settled for Milwaukee when nobody would offer him any money.
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That's the issue here. We're spending our last roster spot on a 33 year old who had 3 "good" (over 6 points per game?) seasons in his entire career, the most recent being 5 years ago. I love Novak and I'm glad the Bucks gave him the opportunity to retire on his own terms rather than being forced to because he was cut from his team, especially since the Bucks were going nowhere by that point in the season last year. But I'd rather give my last roster spot to Matt Carlino or Derrick Wilson.
Whn you're trying to take the next step with your young core of players that you think can be superstars, consider me to continue to be beyond unimpressed with the offseason moves. Last year you rid yourself of Zaza (ugh) and Dudley (ugh) to trade a first round pick for 1 year of Greivis Vasquez (ugh...even if Greivis produced on the court it's still a horrible move). Now you see OJ Mayo get banned from the NBA (whatever) and see Bayless walk (ugh) and replace them with Teletovic (love the move...got one right finally), Delly (ugh), a 33 year old Novak (ugh), and a 38 year old Jason Terry (ugh) and can't unload Moose (ugh) or MCW (ugh). Novak was literally going to be out of the NBA if the Bucks didn't pick up the hometown kid midseason last year. Now we're signing him for another year. Jason Terry literally admitted that he basically called every team and finally settled for Milwaukee when nobody would offer him any money.
I'm not discussing the merits of the other deals. But for the 15th man.....
Just be happy for once, please.
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Congrats to Steve!
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Look at it this way... who fills a need more with that roster spot- JOB or Novak? Neither one plays defense, but Novak at least gives you some outside shooting.
Steve's a good locker room guy, can still shoot it, and is good marketing/community guy for the team. Makes all the sense in the world to keep him on a minimum deal.
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I am a really happy guy. Not sure what the Bucks have done to make people so happy about, but if they please you then more power to you.
I would much rather sign some rookie who could at least, at some point in his life, do something that contributes to winning basketball games on your court. Steve Novak has about as much of a chance to do that for the Bucks as I do.
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I agree with wades. Love Novak but the Bucks are pretty light at SF right now. I think if the Bucks had a better bench, this would be a "who cares, it's just the 15th man signing." But the Bucks have a few guys at the end of their bench that won't contribute much. Their bench was weak last year, and signings like this limit their ability to improve it.
That slot should have been used for a higher upside guy in my opinion. Novak's only real value is in the locker room, which Terry was likely signed for as wel. Not to mention Novak is coming off a knee injury.
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I am a really happy guy. Not sure what the Bucks have done to make people so happy about, but if they please you then more power to you.
I would much rather sign some rookie who could at least, at some point in his life, do something that contributes to winning basketball games on your court. Steve Novak has about as much of a chance to do that for the Bucks as I do.
So you're assuming the Bucks won't be in any games this coming season where they're down by 2 or 3, have the ball, and only have a second or two to hit the game-tying or winning shot?
Wow - you have really low expectations for the Bucks.
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So you're assuming the Bucks won't be in any games this coming season where they're down by 2 or 3, have the ball, and only have a second or two to hit the game-tying or winning shot?
Wow - you have really low expectations for the Bucks.
If Steve Novak is on the court in crunch time at any point this season the Bucks are totally effed.
And beyond that, if that's the Bucks thinking ("Let's sign a guy who can help us in the event that we're down 2 or 3 with only 1 possession remaining in the game") then it's further proving my point that there are some serious problems with the Bucks front office. "Let's go out sign a guy who can be productive in one single situation in a game, one that comes up a max of 10 times a year." Great.
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If Steve Novak is on the court in crunch time at any point this season the Bucks are totally effed.
And beyond that, if that's the Bucks thinking ("Let's sign a guy who can help us in the event that we're down 2 or 3 with only 1 possession remaining in the game") then it's further proving my point that there are some serious problems with the Bucks front office. "Let's go out sign a guy who can be productive in one single situation in a game, one that comes up a max of 10 times a year." Great.
If he wasn't going to be the last guy on the bench, you'd have a good point. But most teams would love a last guy who has the potential to win up to 10 games...even if he didn't lift a finger other than that.
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If he wasn't going to be the last guy on the bench, you'd have a good point. But most teams would love a last guy who has the potential to win up to 10 games...even if he didn't lift a finger other than that.
The problem is he doesn't have the potential to win up to 10 games. Once again, there are some major, major issues if Steve Novak is in the game in a 1 possession basketball game inside the last minute/30 seconds/10 seconds.
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The problem is he doesn't have the potential to win up to 10 games. Once again, there are some major, major issues if Steve Novak is in the game in a 1 possession basketball game inside the last minute/30 seconds/10 seconds.
Newsflash - the Bucks have had "major, major issues" for years. This is a team that has won 5 playoff games in the last 10 years.
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Including this contract, Steve will enjoy over $23 million in career earnings...not bad for sort of a one trick pony:
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/steve-novak-2399/cash-earnings/
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The problem is he doesn't have the potential to win up to 10 games. Once again, there are some major, major issues if Steve Novak is in the game in a 1 possession basketball game inside the last minute/30 seconds/10 seconds.
well, how often will he be active as the 15th guy on the roster? If he is and Bucks are down by two or three with several seconds to go, what's wrong with flooding the court with 3 point shooters?
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Newsflash - the Bucks have had "major, major issues" for years. This is a team that has won 5 playoff games in the last 10 years.
...that's kind of (okay, entirely) been my point the entire time. Hence the original post, "Would expect nothing less from the Bucks." This is as "Bucks" of a move as they come.
Put it this way. In 6 years (33 years old, like Novak now), if Derrick Rose is cut by whatever team he may be playing for, does anyone think the Bulls will pick him up, and then sign him for another year, especially if he's averaged 2.44 points per game over the previous 5 seasons? Of course not. But we're the Bucks, so it's what we do.
I love Steve. He does nothing to help the Bucks.
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The fact that this spot could have also been occupied by the second rounder they traded away for cash makes it frustrating too. I'll likely buy a Novak Bucks t-shirt though, so that's a positive for me.
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The fans loved Novack when he was in New York. It would be great to see him replicate that level of performance.
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The fans loved Novack when he was in New York. It would be great to see him replicate that level of performance.
All that has to happen is a bunch of guys get hurt, the Bucks trade for Jeremy Lin and then ... history is repeated!
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...that's kind of (okay, entirely) been my point the entire time. Hence the original post, "Would expect nothing less from the Bucks." This is as "Bucks" of a move as they come.
Put it this way. In 6 years (33 years old, like Novak now), if Derrick Rose is cut by whatever team he may be playing for, does anyone think the Bulls will pick him up, and then sign him for another year, especially if he's averaged 2.44 points per game over the previous 5 seasons? Of course not. But we're the Bucks, so it's what we do.
I love Steve. He does nothing to help the Bucks.
Last season, NBA teams played between 6 (Philly) and 18 (Indiana) games decided by 3 points or less. So the average team will be in about 12 games that could be won or tied on the last possession.
Steve does nothing on those last possessions when the Bucks have the ball? Seriously, despite his weaknesses, there are maybe a handful of guys on the planet who'd give them a better chance.
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Last season, NBA teams played between 6 (Philly) and 18 (Indiana) games decided by 3 points or less. So the average team will be in about 12 games that could be won or tied on the last possession.
Steve does nothing on those last possessions when the Bucks have the ball? Seriously, despite his weaknesses, there are maybe a handful of guys on the planet who'd give them a better chance.
I don't know how many times I can say it. If Steve Novak is in the game with 48 minutes or 0.48 seconds or anywhere in between and the game is yet to be decided the Bucks are totally effed.
Larry Bird could still make an open 3 pointer better than 90% of NBA players. That doesn't mean you want him on the court in a 1 possession game.
Although I might take him over Novak right now.
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I don't know how many times I can say it. If Steve Novak is in the game with 48 minutes or 0.48 seconds or anywhere in between and the game is yet to be decided the Bucks are totally effed.
So the ability to hit a clutch outside shot better than almost anyone else is meaningless. Got it. ;)
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So the ability to hit a clutch outside shot better than almost anyone else not in the NBA is meaningless. Got it. ;)
Fixed.
And yes. How many game tying or game winning shots has Novak hit in a 10 year NBA career? I can recall one. That doesn't scream "clutch outside shooter" to me. Steve Novak is not a player that you should be relying on to help you win a game down the stretch. He should never see meaningful minutes as a 33 year old. It's why he has rarely ever played for the past 5 years.
I'll say it again. I love Steve. He does nothing to help the Bucks.
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Fixed.
And yes. How many game tying or game winning shots has Novak hit in a 10 year NBA career? I can recall one. That doesn't scream "clutch outside shooter" to me. Steve Novak is not a player that you should be relying on to help you win a game down the stretch. He should never see meaningful minutes as a 33 year old. It's why he has rarely ever played for the past 5 years.
I'll say it again. I love Steve. He does nothing to help the Bucks.
Now you're just making yourself look silly.
I don't keep track of his game-winning or -tying shots...but the only reason he has lasted this long is that he's one of the best 3-point shooters in the NBA. Anyone who "loves" Steve - heck, anyone who has ever watched Steve - would know that. Just for your reference - since you obviously aren't that familiar with Steve's game, here's the list of the NBA's all-time 3-point percentage leaders. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_pct_career.html. You might notice that Steph Curry is the only active player above him.
This is a thread to celebrate and congratulate one of our own for getting another contract. Nice hijack job.
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Now you're just making yourself look silly.
I don't keep track of his game-winning or -tying shots...but the only reason he has lasted this long is that he's one of the best 3-point shooters in the NBA. Anyone who "loves" Steve - heck, anyone who has ever watched Steve - would know that. Just for your reference - since you obviously aren't that familiar with Steve's game, here's the list of the NBA's all-time 3-point percentage leaders. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_pct_career.html. You might notice that Steph Curry is the only active player above him.
This is a thread to celebrate and congratulate one of our own for getting another contract. Nice hijack job.
Lol. You realize that the only person I'm responding to is, well, you. So if I'm responsible for hijacking this thread, then you're just as responsible. But thank you I guess.
Anyways, I'm the one who looks silly, despite you being the one who thinks a 33 year old coming off of knee surgery and averaging 2.44 points per game...for the past 5 seasons...should be on the court in crunch time for an NBA team.
:o
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Lol. You realize that the only person I'm responding to is, well, you. So if I'm responsible for hijacking this thread, then you're just as responsible. But thank you I guess.
Anyways, I'm the one who looks silly, despite you being the one who thinks a 33 year old coming off of knee surgery and averaging 2.44 points per game...for the past 5 seasons...should be on the court in crunch time for an NBA team.
:o
In a thread congratulating Steve, I'm celebrating his new contract with the Bucks...and the fact that he's the 6th best 3-point shooter in NBA history. You're ridiculing the deal.
Do you not understand what it means to hijack a thread?
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Congratulations to Steve on another year!
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It depends on the situation on whether Steve should be on the court in crunch time of any game...in some instances he SHOULD!
And in most others he'd BETTER BE. It doesn't matter really does it on what he has done the past 5 seasons where he has bounced around a bit.
But on THIS TEAM {Bucks} Steve can be very useful even if it is as a decoy or a spacer for one of this teammates who you play off of as a threat to hit a 3pt jumper from outside, can't he? Yes. I think so...
It is good strategy. Middleton, Novak, Teletovic, maybe Dellavedova and Terry are all options that Kidd can go to when they are down by 3 or less to get a win...of course surrounding the two bookends Giannis and Parker...
That is not too far-fetched to envision, is it?
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Now you're just making yourself look silly.
I don't keep track of his game-winning or -tying shots...but the only reason he has lasted this long is that he's one of the best 3-point shooters in the NBA. Anyone who "loves" Steve - heck, anyone who has ever watched Steve - would know that. Just for your reference - since you obviously aren't that familiar with Steve's game, here's the list of the NBA's all-time 3-point percentage leaders. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_pct_career.html. You might notice that Steph Curry is the only active player above him.
This is a thread to celebrate and congratulate one of our own for getting another contract. Nice hijack job.
Both Jason Terry and Steve Novak are high on that 3pt list...for a team that was last in 3pt attempts and makes and with a squad full of scary jump shooters afraid to miss...who handle the ball all the time [ahem, Giannis.]
Man if they had only sent his a-- to the D-League {like I begged them too} for his first two years to learn the NBA game and get confidence in his jump shot early he would be one of the best player in the league right now...
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The 14th and 15th seats on NBA teams are usually occupied by journeymen or players getting their first shot in the league at the age of 26 or something like that. They aren't occupied by young talent that potentially could blossom into something down the line.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using those seats on good locker room guys, who don't care about playing time, who can mentor a young team in need of leadership. This will not harm the Bucks long-term development in the least.
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The 14th and 15th seats on NBA teams are usually occupied by journeymen or players getting their first shot in the league at the age of 26 or something like that. They aren't occupied by young talent that potentially could blossom into something down the line.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using those seats on good locker room guys, who don't care about playing time, who can mentor a young team in need of leadership. This will not harm the Bucks long-term development in the least.
Every word of this is true.
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Anyone who doesn't want Novak on the Bucks hates America. Prove me wrong.
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Steve may never dress, but great ambassador for the Bucks and MU. Will not bitch about playing time and will be great leader on the bench. I would clap for
$1.5M a year as well. I have to pay $300 a game instead to go watch, love his deal better.
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I don't know how many times I can say it. If Steve Novak is in the game with 48 minutes or 0.48 seconds or anywhere in between and the game is yet to be decided the Bucks are totally effed.
Larry Bird could still make an open 3 pointer better than 90% of NBA players. That doesn't mean you want him on the court in a 1 possession game.
Although I might take him over Novak right now.
Yoooooo.... this is just straight up stupid.
No offense.
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Yoooooo.... this is just straight up stupid.
No offense.
None taken considering thinking that Steve Novak should be on an NBA court in crunch time of a meaningful game is a lot more stupid.
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None taken considering thinking that Steve Novak should be on an NBA court in crunch time of a meaningful game is a lot more stupid.
This is probably true.
Still ...
I remember a few years ago, the Knicks had him on the court at crunch time, just standing in the corner, and the SportsCenter guy made fun of it.
But just a month or so later was when Linsanity ensued and all of a sudden Novak was a revelation. And the SportsCenter anchor's partner ended up poking fun at his buddy for being so outraged that Novak had been on the court earlier in the season.
Obviously, it's many years later and circumstances are different. I just remember this and it cracks me up.
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The 14th and 15th seats on NBA teams are usually occupied by journeymen or players getting their first shot in the league at the age of 26 or something like that. They aren't occupied by young talent that potentially could blossom into something down the line.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using those seats on good locker room guys, who don't care about playing time, who can mentor a young team in need of leadership. This will not harm the Bucks long-term development in the least.
Agreed.
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The 14th and 15th seats on NBA teams are usually occupied by journeymen or players getting their first shot in the league at the age of 26 or something like that. They aren't occupied by young talent that potentially could blossom into something down the line.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using those seats on good locker room guys, who don't care about playing time, who can mentor a young team in need of leadership. This will not harm the Bucks long-term development in the least.
This is the key point, really. The 15th guy isn't going to play. It could go to a worse candidate that a good, local, veteran locker room presence.
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The Buckaroos will be one hell of a great team this season if their biggest problem is having a past-his-prime local guy as their 15th man.
I'm trying to decide if they'll win the NBA title or lose to Golden State in the Finals.
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Well, seeing that this was MY thread and that it simply was intended to be a 'Happy for Steve' discussion. ........
And since many of you practically ruined the football thread and forced Rocky to step in......
IDK, maybe one or three of you guys need to take a little breather, huh?
Scoop is way more fun when we avoid heel digging, donchaya think?
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A buck and a half plus change for Steve. Livin' large, hey?
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Well, seeing that this was MY thread and that it simply was intended to be a 'Happy for Steve' discussion. ........
And since many of you practically ruined the football thread and forced Rocky to step in......
IDK, maybe one or three of you guys need to take a little breather, huh?
Scoop is way more fun when we avoid heel digging, donchaya think?
So people can only chime in on YOUR thread when they say what YOU would like them to say? Come on. You congratulated Steve. And then "one or three" of us decided to discuss...Steve.
Congratulations Steve! You're the best! Hit those 3s in crunch time!
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ND sucks
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I agree with this analysis.
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Are you schlepping salsa today?
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So people can only chime in on YOUR thread when they say what YOU would like them to say? Come on. You congratulated Steve. And then "one or three" of us decided to discuss...Steve.
Congratulations Steve! You're the best! Hit those 3s in crunch time!
Say anything you want, once or twice brother. 25 times gets boring.
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Are you schlepping salsa today?
No, I had to put the market on hold for a while, taking care of sis.
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Well, seeing that this was MY thread and that it simply was intended to be a 'Happy for Steve' discussion. ........
And since many of you practically ruined the football thread and forced Rocky to step in......
IDK, maybe one or three of you guys need to take a little breather, huh?
Scoop is way more fun when we avoid heel digging, donchaya think?
Id say bring back the politics. At least that stuff was worthy of arguing about. And it put more fans in the seats, Eyn'a? Then we can keep guessing which new poster is chicos ;D. Just fill your roster with dudes who will stand for the national anthem ::)
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Free Chicos 2016