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Title: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 30, 2016, 03:13:22 PM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17141329/big-east-venues-ranked-according-difficulty

You can vote at the bottom of the article.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: #UnleashSean on July 30, 2016, 03:46:57 PM
Providence #3? What?
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: MU_Beav on July 30, 2016, 04:11:14 PM
Providence #3? What?

Agreed - not sure why Providence gets the respect they do. To me, Nova and Creighton are hornet nests.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: chapman on July 30, 2016, 05:25:31 PM
I think they have the bottom half right.  Not sure how the Pavilion / CenturyLink aren't the top two, followed by X and Butler.  I always hope to be lucky enough to land one of the games in Philadelphia to avoid the Pavilion, so at least there's a small chance we won't get blown out.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: Herman Cain on July 30, 2016, 05:37:34 PM
I am in the Pro Marquette camp and voted for the BC
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 30, 2016, 08:20:28 PM
Creighton, Butler, and Villanova on the top. Georgetown, St. John's and Depaul on bottom. The other 4 are interchangeable in the middle, IMHO.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: MUDPT on July 30, 2016, 11:08:08 PM
Agreed - not sure why Providence gets the respect they do. To me, Nova and Creighton are hornet nests.

This is probably why.

https://youtu.be/MqVGMLBOqnY
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: Skitch on July 30, 2016, 11:33:05 PM
How long ago was this article researched?  They say the Bucks are "financing a new spot."  It's under construction, isn't it?  That seems like a little further along than financing.  Also their "fun fact" about the BC seems full of it too.  Didn't the Blackhawks nix the idea of a team in Milwaukee?
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: Benny B on August 01, 2016, 10:18:21 AM
This is probably why.

https://youtu.be/MqVGMLBOqnY

Well played.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: GGGG on August 01, 2016, 10:21:18 AM
How long ago was this article researched?  They say the Bucks are "financing a new spot."  It's under construction, isn't it?  That seems like a little further along than financing.  Also their "fun fact" about the BC seems full of it too.  Didn't the Blackhawks nix the idea of a team in Milwaukee?


It is inaccurate to say the Bucks are financing anything.  The Wisconsin Center District is.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: Benny B on August 01, 2016, 11:10:50 AM
Also their "fun fact" about the BC seems full of it too.  Didn't the Blackhawks nix the idea of a team in Milwaukee?

The Blackhawks didn't nix the idea per se... the NHL has always had an indemnification provision to protect its owners from a new team cannibalizing ticket sales; when Anaheim was added to the league, about half of their $50M fee went to the Kings.  But Bill Wirtz never went on record asking for an indemnity payout.

Lloyd had commissioned a study sometime in the mid to late 80's that essentially said fielding a competitive team from day 1 was imperative for the team's long-term success.  The expansion draft presented a tremendous challenge to this, but then came the $50M fee that hamstrung any hope for adding a big-name talent in a trade or free agency (Lloyd was only expecting an expansion fee of $9-10M).

Whether Bill knew of Lloyd's study, was being ultra-protective of his "territory," or was more interested in seeing the NHL in Tampa Bay (and was otherwise indifferent about Milwaukee), or simply wanted to deter his old friend, he was indeed the person who championed increasing the expansion fee to $50M right about the time Lloyd made his application.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: source? on August 01, 2016, 05:35:51 PM

It is inaccurate to say the Bucks are financing anything.  The Wisconsin Center District is.

I was under the impression the Bucks were paying half.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: GGGG on August 01, 2016, 05:56:04 PM
I was under the impression the Bucks were paying half.

20%.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 01, 2016, 09:36:46 PM
The Blackhawks didn't nix the idea per se... the NHL has always had an indemnification provision to protect its owners from a new team cannibalizing ticket sales; when Anaheim was added to the league, about half of their $50M fee went to the Kings.  But Bill Wirtz never went on record asking for an indemnity payout.

Lloyd had commissioned a study sometime in the mid to late 80's that essentially said fielding a competitive team from day 1 was imperative for the team's long-term success.  The expansion draft presented a tremendous challenge to this, but then came the $50M fee that hamstrung any hope for adding a big-name talent in a trade or free agency (Lloyd was only expecting an expansion fee of $9-10M).

Whether Bill knew of Lloyd's study, was being ultra-protective of his "territory," or was more interested in seeing the NHL in Tampa Bay (and was otherwise indifferent about Milwaukee), or simply wanted to deter his old friend, he was indeed the person who championed increasing the expansion fee to $50M right about the time Lloyd made his application.

Craig Leipold also did a study in the mid 90's when he was looking to either get an expansion team or move an existing team and the study found there wasn't the income or corporate base to sustain another professional team in Milwaukee. Leipold then pursued and put an expansion team in Nashville instead.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: jsglow on August 02, 2016, 08:52:41 AM
20%.

That leaves the wrong impression Sultan.  Thought about it another way, roughly 50% is coming from 'public' money, well below the historic mean seen over the last couple decades nationwide.
Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: Warrior Code on August 02, 2016, 04:48:00 PM
Hope this new arena tops this list in a couple years.

Title: Re: Which Big East Arena is the toughest to play in?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on August 02, 2016, 07:25:08 PM
I think the current Bradley center is tough on cretain occasions. But it's just not consistent like the Pavilion. I remember some pretty loud moments my first two years at MU.