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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Marcus92 on June 25, 2016, 03:21:12 PM
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His raw stats for the last 16 games of the 2015-16 season (including the Big East tournament):
454 MIN (28.4 MPG)
79-145 FG (.545 FG%)
64-113 2PT (.566 2PT%)
15-32 3PT (.469 3PT%)
39-46 FT (.848 FT%)
212 PTS (13.3 PPG)
66 REB (4.1 RPG)
44 AST (2.8 APG)
29 STL (1.8 SPG)
31 TO (1.9 TPG)
I don't have the ability to calculate the advanced stats — usage, offensive rating, etc. But it seems pretty clear that he ended the season on a tear. I'm particularly impressed by his overall scoring (18.7 points/40 minutes), 3-point shooting (just under 50% is outstanding, even on 2 attempts a game) and effective field goal percentage (59.7% if I have that correct).
Hope this is a sign of things to come.
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He did finish the season on a tear. However, I doubt Reinhardt comes here if he did not expect to start. He is not going to replace Cheatnam or start at point or center. That means his best chance to start is at the two. Can he beat out Wilson? Rousey and Howard are also great shooters who can play the two. My guess is that he averages less than he did as a junior.
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He did finish the season on a tear. However, I doubt Reinhardt comes here if he did not expect to start. He is not going to replace Cheatnam or start at point or center. That means his best chance to start is at the two. Can he beat out Wilson? Rousey and Howard are also great shooters who can play the two. My guess is that he averages less than he did as a junior.
Reinhardt would have been the second best player on our team last season. The best is off to Detroit. He will have no trouble finding minutes. Cheatham is not guaranteed a starting spot. Lots of competition at his spot
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He did finish the season on a tear. However, I doubt Reinhardt comes here if he did not expect to start. He is not going to replace Cheatnam or start at point or center. That means his best chance to start is at the two. Can he beat out Wilson? Rousey and Howard are also great shooters who can play the two. My guess is that he averages less than he did as a junior.
The more I think about next years team, the more I'm convinced that it will be the type of team that really sheds labels like "two" or "forward" and we should stop thinking about who will play each position (the exception to this is Luke/Matt). Instead, I think Wojo will start the best four wing players, and figure out positions from there. I think our top four guys outside of Luke will be Haanif, JuJuan, Rowsey, and Katin. In that lineup, who's your point? Haanif? Rowsey? Who's the "four"? Katin? JJJ? Maybe even Haanif?
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He did finish the season on a tear. However, I doubt Reinhardt comes here if he did not expect to start. He is not going to replace Cheatnam or start at point or center. That means his best chance to start is at the two. Can he beat out Wilson? Rousey and Howard are also great shooters who can play the two. My guess is that he averages less than he did as a junior.
I think he gets the third most minutes at 2/3/4 behind Reinhardt and Cheatham. On par with Wilson.
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Jajuan did some of his best work coming off the bench, as well.
Not sure that it matters so much who starts. Think we'll have a lot of options at the 2-4 spots — with Haanif, Duane, Andrew, Jajuan, Sandy and Katin all seeing significant playing time. Sacar, Sam and Markus are the biggest wild cards to me.
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I do think there is a good possibility that we see a team on the floor for significant minutes that does not include Luke or Matt. When I look at combinations I am basically allocating all the minutes at center for Luke and Matt. However, it is very possible that Luke and Matt do not always play. Especially with both of them having injuries in the past few months.
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Somebody better grow and/or put on some significant muscle for that to happen.
You still gave to guard the post and it's hard to see anyone doing that for significant minutes but Luke or Matt.
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Somebody better grow and/or put on some significant muscle for that to happen.
You still gave to guard the post and it's hard to see anyone doing that for significant minutes but Luke or Matt.
That's obviously the big question mark. Sandy showed he could guard Nigel Hayes, who's 6-8 and at least 230. That may not be the best comparison, since Nigel plays on the perimeter so much. But hopefully Sandy comes into the season stronger with at least 10 more pounds of muscle.
Wojo also recognized Sacar for his work ethic in practice and the weight room. He's undersized at 6-5, but so was Lazar. Defending the post and rebounding aren't just about height. Whether that translates into playing time for Sacar, we'll have to see.
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Agree that it doesn't matter who starts. I think So no will go with a platoon system similar Kentucky. The who team are "starters." JJ is ultra talented a.d when he hits the floor, he will be hard to take out of games.
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JJJ is the lone person on the team that has been through Marquette for four years and is a senior. He deserves to start more than any other player on this roster. I hope he sees the opportunity to make this team be his and takes it.
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He did finish the season on a tear. However, I doubt Reinhardt comes here if he did not expect to start. He is not going to replace Cheatnam or start at point or center. That means his best chance to start is at the two. Can he beat out Wilson? Rousey and Howard are also great shooters who can play the two. My guess is that he averages less than he did as a junior.
Rowsey Cheatham jujuan reinhardt fischer
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JJJ is the lone person on the team that has been through Marquette for four years and is a senior. He deserves to start more than any other player on this roster. I hope he sees the opportunity to make this team be his and takes it.
Agreed. He starts at the #3 alongside Katin and Hanni at the #4 and #2 respectively. I think PG is a little up in the air but the other 4 starting slots are spoken for in my opinion. Now distribution of minutes? That's a completely open question.
Interesting. We're not young anymore by any stretch. Likely to start 3 Seniors with a RS Junior as 6th man.
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Rowsey Cheatham jujuan reinhardt fischer
Certainly possible. Looking forward to watching Rowsey.
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I think Rowsey won't get huge minutes but will be very effective when he is out there.
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His raw stats for the last 16 games of the 2015-16 season (including the Big East tournament):
454 MIN (28.4 MPG)
79-145 FG (.545 FG%)
64-113 2PT (.566 2PT%)
15-32 3PT (.469 3PT%)
39-46 FT (.848 FT%)
212 PTS (13.3 PPG)
66 REB (4.1 RPG)
44 AST (2.8 APG)
29 STL (1.8 SPG)
31 TO (1.9 TPG)
I don't have the ability to calculate the advanced stats — usage, offensive rating, etc. But it seems pretty clear that he ended the season on a tear. I'm particularly impressed by his overall scoring (18.7 points/40 minutes), 3-point shooting (just under 50% is outstanding, even on 2 attempts a game) and effective field goal percentage (59.7% if I have that correct).
Hope this is a sign of things to come.
JJJ was a very effective player for us and appears to be reaching his potential. Not only is he excellent at slashing to the basket , I think he is the best distributor of the ball we have. He is effectively a point forward. I think he is ready for a breakout season.
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JJJ was a very effective player for us and appears to be reaching his potential. Not only is he excellent at slashing to the basket , I think he is the best distributor of the ball we have. He is effectively a point forward. I think he is ready for a breakout season.
Uh...no. Traci had over twice as many assists last year in about the same amount of playing time. At no point have I ever shared the thought that he is "effectively a point forward."
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Uh...no. Traci had over twice as many assists last year in about the same amount of playing time. At no point have I ever shared the thought that he is "effectively a point forward."
A lot of times players didn't finish on the passes JJJ made. If you carefully watched him play you would see he always looked to initiate a pass before he did anything else.
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A lot of times players didn't finish on the passes JJJ made. If you carefully watched him play you would see he always looked to initiate a pass before he did anything else.
Two thoughts...my bet is lots of passes from all players went unfinished, but I'll also guess Traci's passes were more likely to be finished, and I don't want a guy running the point who makes passes players can't finish on.
JJ is not a point forward. He's a solid all-around wing player that has developed a good passing game, decent range, and can get to the basket well while not being a negative on defense.
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Two thoughts...my bet is lots of passes from all players went unfinished, but I'll also guess Traci's passes were more likely to be finished, and I don't want a guy running the point who makes passes players can't finish on.
JJ is not a point forward. He's a solid all-around wing player that has developed a good passing game, decent range, and can get to the basket well while not being a negative on defense.
JJJ plays with his head up and I think JJJ has the best handle on the team especially on the run. A lot of the passes that were not finished went to Luke. I like his team oriented mindset. Several times Wojo mentioned that JJJ was the best passer on the team.
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A lot of times players didn't finish on the passes JJJ made. If you carefully watched him play you would see he always looked to initiate a pass before he did anything else.
I've watched him plenty of times over the past three years. At no point did I ever think he was a "point forward type." He's not a very good ball handler. Yeah he can break down a defense because he's real quick...especially to his right. He has improved his shot quite a bit as well.
But "best distributor?" Nah...
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JJJ plays with his head up and I think JJJ has the best handle on the team
Huh? Best handle on the team?
Do you WATCH the games?
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Huh? Best handle on the team?
Do you WATCH the games?
JJJ was on probation his whole career until the last half of the season last year. I believe he has an excellent handle and can make certain passes others on the team cannot even contemplate.
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JJJ was on probation his whole career until the last half of the season last year.
Oh.
So in other words, you THINK he has these attributes. The only reason he hasn't show them is because of "mind games" and the like.
Well can't argue with your imagination.
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Oh.
So in other words, you THINK he has these attributes. The only reason he hasn't show them is because of "mind games" and the like.
Well can't argue with your imagination.
I never mentioned mind games. It was a known and published fact that JJJ was on a tight leash. I did not say think , I said believe.
Accept the fact. JJJ is a very high quality player.
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I never mentioned mind games. It was a known and published fact that JJJ was on a tight leash.
Where was that published? I remember he wasn't very good his first two years and then improved and earned his playing time the third.
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I never mentioned mind games. It was a known and published fact that JJJ was on a tight leash. I did not say think , I said believe.
Accept the fact. JJJ is a very high quality player.
He is a quality player. I have said as such.
I am disputing your assertion that he is a good distributor and ball handler. He is very quick. He can attack the basket better than anyone at the team. Turned himself into a decent shooter. Not going to claim he is something he isn't.
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I don't have the ability to calculate the advanced stats — usage, offensive rating, etc.
I got you.
Usage: 13% (t-4th)
Ortg: 112.7 (1st)
Drtg: 98.6 (2nd)
He was fantastic in BE play last season. I hope the trend continues next season. Howard, Rowsey, Hauser, and Reinhardt should help clear out some massive driving lanes for JJJ.
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He will be MVP of team. Think he is going to have major breakout year. Even with HE last year on the team I think he was best player the last six weeks of the season.
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He will be MVP of team. Think he is going to have major breakout year. Even with HE last year on the team I think he was best player the last six weeks of the season.
I think it's him or Luke.
I don't think JJJ's minutes are at stake. If I were Duane I might be a little concerned however.
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I never mentioned mind games. It was a known and published fact that JJJ was on a tight leash. I did not say think , I said believe.
Accept the fact. JJJ is a very high quality player.
JJJ was not recruited by Wojo and I do not think they are always on the same page. However, JJJ has improve significantly under Wojo.
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Agreed. He starts at the #3 alongside Katin and Hanni at the #4 and #2 respectively. I think PG is a little up in the air but the other 4 starting slots are spoken for in my opinion. Now distribution of minutes? That's a completely open question.
Interesting. We're not young anymore by any stretch. Likely to start 3 Seniors with a RS Junior as 6th man.
I agree. Unless something changes, JJJ has earned the right to start.
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A lot of times players didn't finish on the passes JJJ made.
Remember to check your rear view mirror when backing up so quickly.
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I never mentioned mind games. It was a known and published fact that JJJ was on a tight leash. I did not say think , I said believe.
Accept the fact. JJJ is a very high quality player.
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Might not want to get too wreckless with that paint job...
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I think JjJ may have found his sweet spot usage-wise... and it's not all that high. As a sophomore, he was gunning. Bad shots.
As a junior, he was more selective and wise. Needs to continue to be careful in his decision making and can be just fine. Don't want to see shooting #'s like his sophomore year.
Turnovers continued to be an issue for him (as well as so many others on the team)... 20% turnover rate in conference while being a 19% usage guy doesn't work for me.
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He'll be pretty darned good next year.
What more do you need????!!!
8-)
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Huh? Best handle on the team?
Do you WATCH the games?
Have you forgotten Tex's (MU Fan in NY) adoration of JJJ? Watching the games might Tex's fantasy JJJ.
That said, JaJuan took huge steps forward last year, both in shot selection and defensively. I hardly remember any of the cringe worthy lunging for steals and leaving your man wide open last year that were so common his first two years. Kudos to him for fighting through want was probably a disappointing first two years.
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Have you forgotten Tex's (MU Fan in NY) adoration of JJJ? Watching the games might Tex's fantasy JJJ.
Hold on.
MU Fan in NY is Texas Western?
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Free Chicos 2016
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I got you.
Usage: 13% (t-4th)
Ortg: 112.7 (1st)
Drtg: 98.6 (2nd)
He was fantastic in BE play last season. I hope the trend continues next season. Howard, Rowsey, Hauser, and Reinhardt should help clear out some massive driving lanes for JJJ.
Much appreciated. Your point about perimeter players opening up driving lanes could be huge this season.
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I think JjJ may have found his sweet spot usage-wise... and it's not all that high. As a sophomore, he was gunning. Bad shots.
As a junior, he was more selective and wise. Needs to continue to be careful in his decision making and can be just fine. Don't want to see shooting #'s like his sophomore year.
Turnovers continued to be an issue for him (as well as so many others on the team)... 20% turnover rate in conference while being a 19% usage guy doesn't work for me.
I'd be just fine with the same level of usage and performance from Jajuan if others can step up. We were 9th in the Big East in both 3-pt. attempts and makes, and tied for 7th in 3-pt. percentage. Not a very good combination. The turnover situation was about as bad. Improvement by one player won't get us very far.
I don't think Jajuan necessarily needs to or should take more threes. When he's open, go ahead and take it. But his forte seems to be creating havoc in the middle of the floor. If he gets more opportunities to do that — hopefully because Rowsey, Reinhardt and company provide a more legitimate outside threat — it could bode well.
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He will be MVP of team. Think he is going to have major breakout year. Even with HE last year on the team I think he was best player the last six weeks of the season.
I agree with you, Joe. I think he is the key to our season.
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Free Chicos 2016
Agree. The man has paid his debt. Unchain the Bail Bondsman!
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I agree with you, Joe. I think he is the key to our season.
I heard he was grad transferring.
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I heard he was grad transferring.
Didn't have the credits.
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He'll be pretty darned good next year.
What more do you need????!!!
JJJ will be first pick in 2017 NBA draft.
Duh!
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The JJJ situation really sounded like my time at Marquette, wasn't a huge fan, but decided to stick it out anyways and just power through it, paid off my junior and senior years versus my underclass years.
He really was going to transfer though, after freshman and sophomore year, straight from the horses mouth. Gave Wojo a shot for a year along with Teve, dont know what happened where he changed his mind last year, glad he decided to stay though. Expecting a Vander esq year from him.
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I can see fish coming out for a rest (or with 2 fouls) at 15:00 and then a "death" lineup of JJJ/Rowsey/Duane/Rinehart/Cheatham and really push the tempo until the 12:00 TV timeout. If this group can force 2 TO's plus get 2 steals and minimum 2 fast breaks in that period it could be a game changer. It'll probably work until the opponent pulls their big guy and then it's back to 5on5 small ball and the advantages diminish... unless this group practices together A LOT and clicks.
In total, I can see 6-7 mins per game with no center... and JJJ benefits the most in this situation.
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I can see fish coming out for a rest (or with 2 fouls) at 15:00 and then a "death" lineup of JJJ/Rowsey/Duane/Rinehart/Cheatham and really push the tempo until the 12:00 TV timeout. If this group can force 2 TO's plus get 2 steals and minimum 2 fast breaks in that period it could be a game changer. It'll probably work until the opponent pulls their big guy and then it's back to 5on5 small ball and the advantages diminish... unless this group practices together A LOT and clicks.
In total, I can see 6-7 mins per game with no center... and JJJ benefits the most in this situation.
So you don't think Heidt can play those 6-7 minutes?
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Hold on.
MU Fan in NY is Texas Western?
Pretty sure
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Didn't have the credits.
That sounds right. Had heard it was a #donedeal but glad that was wrong
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His raw stats for the last 16 games of the 2015-16 season (including the Big East tournament):
454 MIN (28.4 MPG)
79-145 FG (.545 FG%)
64-113 2PT (.566 2PT%)
15-32 3PT (.469 3PT%)
39-46 FT (.848 FT%)
212 PTS (13.3 PPG)
66 REB (4.1 RPG)
44 AST (2.8 APG)
29 STL (1.8 SPG)
31 TO (1.9 TPG)
I don't have the ability to calculate the advanced stats — usage, offensive rating, etc. But it seems pretty clear that he ended the season on a tear. I'm particularly impressed by his overall scoring (18.7 points/40 minutes), 3-point shooting (just under 50% is outstanding, even on 2 attempts a game) and effective field goal percentage (59.7% if I have that correct).
Hope this is a sign of things to come.
Despite the nice production from JJJ, MU was 8-8 during that span.
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Despite the nice production from JJJ, MU was 8-8 during that span.
Absolutely true. That included 4 losses against Xavier and Villanova (the 2 teams we simply couldn't beat last year) and the horrifying, unforgivable loss at home ("In my home! In my bedroom, where my wife sleeps; where my children come and play with their toys. In my home!") to DePaul.
To me, last season was proof that one player isn't enough. Henry helped us get better for sure. But for all his skills, he couldn't bring us over the top by himself. The same goes for next season. We need more than Jajuan. We need everyone on this team to step up if we want to go back to the Dance.
JJJ looks ready to do his part.
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Pretty sure
I think you're correct.
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I think you're correct.
The focus is becoming better to me.
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So you don't think Heidt can play those 6-7 minutes?
I think Fish gets 23 mins, Heldt gets 10 and the death lineup gets 7.
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I think Fish gets 23 mins, Heldt gets 10 and the death lineup gets 7.
Luke got 28 a game with Henry on the roster. While possible, I would be very surprised if his mpg dropped by 5 with one less big on the roster.
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I expect Luke to play 32+, barring foul trouble.
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I expect Luke to play 32+, barring foul trouble.
Luke had 11 Big East games with 28 minutes or less. He had nine BE games with 4 or 5 fouls. As it was, Big East coaches went right at him to get him in foul trouble. With Henry gone, this will be even more systemic.
Matt Heldt, your table is ready.
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I could see Luke playing somewhere around 25 mpg — assuming that:
1) Matt has made significant progress in the off-season;
2) He can contribute a meaningful 8-10 minutes a game to give Luke a breather;
3) We play a 9- or 10-man rotation with a more up-tempo style;
4) Keeping Luke a little fresher will be good for him;
5) If nothing else, it might help keep him out of foul trouble;
6) Luke and Matt stay healthy all season;
7) Sandy or Sacar are strong enough to help out the front court;
8) We don't sign a graduate transfer big before the season starts; and
9) Wojo will go small without Luke or Matt on the floor for at least 5-8 minutes.
That seems simple enough to me.
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Luke had 11 Big East games with 28 minutes or less. He had nine BE games with 4 or 5 fouls. As it was, Big East coaches went right at him to get him in foul trouble. With Henry gone, this will be even more systemic.
Matt Heldt, your table is ready.
So probably 32+ until January 1, then 25 after that ;)
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I think the comments about Luke are fair. He will have a big target on him every game. He needs to keep out of foul trouble. As much fun as the "mini death" lineup would be, I think it will only be useful in spurts, not for long stretches.
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That sounds right. Had heard it was a #donedeal but glad that was wrong
How long ago? Back in April?
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Personally I think this upcoming season will be Jajuan's breakout year..will get him into the 2nd round and MAYBE late first round.
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Personally I think this upcoming season will be Jajuan's breakout year..will get him into the 2nd round and MAYBE late first round.
I don't see it. But I hope you're right.
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As much fun as the "mini death" lineup would be, I think it will only be useful in spurts, not for long stretches.
It really should be the "Mini Warriors" lineup, right?
TAMU Eagle: Now, gentlemen, let me ask you this: What if the Warriors were all 14 inches tall, you know, about so high? Now, what's your score of today's game?
brewcity77: Against the Badgers?
TAMU Eagle: Yes, give 'em a handicap.
brewcity77: Warriors 60, Badgers 34. And that would finally be a good game.
keefe: Yeah, it would be a good game. Mini Warriors 72, Badgers 58.
MU82: What about Al? Would he be mini, too?
TAMU Eagle: No, he would be full-grown.
MU82: Oh, then, uh...Mini Warriors 94, Badgers 23.
brewcity77: Oh, hold on. Then I change mine, too. I thought it was mini Al.
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Personally I think this upcoming season will be Jajuan's breakout year..will get him into the 2nd round and MAYBE late first round.
I'd love that to be true, but can't really see it. Jajuan is a 6'5" small forward. Doesn't have the physical frame to compete as a NBA three, doesn't have the shooting to play the two, doesn't have the handle to play the one. I think the best case scenario (and with minutes likely spread out this is probably way over-optimistic) he averages 18/4/4 and is first-team Big East. But even doing that, would he be a NBA prospect?
He's still a thin, 6'5" forward. Unless he can add 15-20 pounds of muscle without losing his quickness while also improving his shooting touch, I think it's a long shot.
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It really should be the "Mini Warriors" lineup, right?
TAMU Eagle: Now, gentlemen, let me ask you this: What if the Warriors were all 14 inches tall, you know, about so high? Now, what's your score of today's game?
brewcity77: Against the Badgers?
TAMU Eagle: Yes, give 'em a handicap.
brewcity77: Warriors 60, Badgers 34. And that would finally be a good game.
keefe: Yeah, it would be a good game. Mini Warriors 72, Badgers 58.
MU82: What about Al? Would he be mini, too?
TAMU Eagle: No, he would be full-grown.
MU82: Oh, then, uh...Mini Warriors 94, Badgers 23.
brewcity77: Oh, hold on. Then I change mine, too. I thought it was mini Al.
It's hologram Al, not mini Al.
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It really should be the "Mini Warriors" lineup, right?
TAMU Eagle: Now, gentlemen, let me ask you this: What if the Warriors were all 14 inches tall, you know, about so high? Now, what's your score of today's game?
brewcity77: Against the Badgers?
TAMU Eagle: Yes, give 'em a handicap.
brewcity77: Warriors 60, Badgers 34. And that would finally be a good game.
keefe: Yeah, it would be a good game. Mini Warriors 72, Badgers 58.
MU82: What about Al? Would he be mini, too?
TAMU Eagle: No, he would be full-grown.
MU82: Oh, then, uh...Mini Warriors 94, Badgers 23.
brewcity77: Oh, hold on. Then I change mine, too. I thought it was mini Al.
I was misquoted! (Or as ex-Badger great Cory Blackwell once claimed I did to him: "I was 'unquoted.'" Cory, who actually thought he was better than Isiah Thomas, wasn't the brightest bulb in the box.)
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I'd love that to be true, but can't really see it. Jajuan is a 6'5" small forward. Doesn't have the physical frame to compete as a NBA three, doesn't have the shooting to play the two, doesn't have the handle to play the one. I think the best case scenario (and with minutes likely spread out this is probably way over-optimistic) he averages 18/4/4 and is first-team Big East. But even doing that, would he be a NBA prospect?
He's still a thin, 6'5" forward. Unless he can add 15-20 pounds of muscle without losing his quickness while also improving his shooting touch, I think it's a long shot.
Sometimes I wonder if people watch the NBA because there is nothing about JJJ that indicates to me that he could play there.
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Sometimes I wonder if people watch the NBA because there is nothing about JJJ that indicates to me that he could play there.
I think he has a better chance of being a first team All American than he does of being drafted. I really like him as a player now, and I was one of his biggest skeptics. Love him to prove me wrong again, but the reality is some of the best college players aren't NBA players. Just ask Scottie Reynolds, Adam Morrison, or Jimmer Fredette.
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some of the best college players aren't NBA players.
This is a fact that often escapes folks here.
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I think he has a better chance of being a first team All American than he does of being drafted. I really like him as a player now, and I was one of his biggest skeptics. Love him to prove me wrong again, but the reality is some of the best college players aren't NBA players. Just ask Scottie Reynolds, Adam Morrison, or Jimmer Fredette.
Biggest problem with this is you say that some of the best college players aren't NBA players and then 2 of your 3 examples were lottery picks.
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Biggest problem with this is you say that some of the best college players aren't NBA players and then 2 of your 3 examples were lottery picks.
But still weren't NBA players. And as the years go by, I do believe the NBA is getting better at figuring out the difference.
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The fact that he's 6'5" isn't a problem, it's the fact that he's 6'5" with a wingspan about the same and skinny as a rail. I mean, hell, look at Jae Crowder. He's only 6'5" but he's built like a tank. This year's example is Abdul Nader, 6'6" but with an arm span of 7'1"
I love JJJ, but he's in that weird in between range that Crowder was but isn't a good enough shooter, or strong enough.
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The fact that he's 6'5" isn't a problem, it's the fact that he's 6'5" with a wingspan about the same and skinny as a rail. I mean, hell, look at Jae Crowder. He's only 6'5" but he's built like a tank. This year's example is Abdul Nader, 6'6" but with an arm span of 7'1"
I love JJJ, but he's in that weird in between range that Crowder was but isn't a good enough shooter, or strong enough.
JJJ wingspan was measured at 6-9 in 2012,I think he has grown some since. His length contributes to his ability to make some of the drives with outstretched arms, to the basket that he specializes in.
Yes I agree he is currently not strong enough and he needs to show another year of improvement in outside shooting. He for sure has to work on both of those to be competitive at the next level. I do believe he has a strong handle and excellent court vision though. So he does have a baseline to build off of.
Right now I would just like to see him continue to improve and become among the better wing players in the Big East. If he can do that our team will go a long way.
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The fact that he's 6'5" isn't a problem, it's the fact that he's 6'5" with a wingspan about the same and skinny as a rail. I mean, hell, look at Jae Crowder. He's only 6'5" but he's built like a tank. This year's example is Abdul Nader, 6'6" but with an arm span of 7'1"
I love JJJ, but he's in that weird in between range that Crowder was but isn't a good enough shooter, or strong enough.
u r how u say? lying
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u r how u say? lying
Not sure if you're talking about the wingspan, but yeah. JJ was 6'4 (in shoes) with a 6'9 wingspan at LBJ camp in 2012. I'm assuming he's taller and has a longer wingspan at this point.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/JaJuan-Johnson-7213/
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We get a guy who has a halfway decent couple of months and we immediately want to project his chances at being an NBA player.
I remember a few Scoopers talking about Todd Freakin' Mayo's NBA prospects about 6 weeks into his MU career. As if.
I know it's June, and we'll talk about most anything now, but ...
I'd happily settle for JJJ putting together one decent college season from beginning to end. And I think he will!
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We get a guy who has a halfway decent couple of months and we immediately want to project his chances at being an NBA player.
I remember a few Scoopers talking about Todd Freakin' Mayo's NBA prospects about 6 weeks into his MU career. As if.
I know it's June, and we'll talk about most anything now, but ...
I'd happily settle for JJJ putting together one decent college season from beginning to end. And I think he will!
Amen brother.
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We get a guy who has a halfway decent couple of months and we immediately want to project his chances at being an NBA player.
I remember a few Scoopers talking about Todd Freakin' Mayo's NBA prospects about 6 weeks into his MU career. As if.
I know it's June, and we'll talk about most anything now, but ...
I'd happily settle for JJJ putting together one decent college season from beginning to end. And I think he will!
Agree on points 1-3, but......
10.2 PPG in 23 minutes on 51/39/80% isn't a "decent college season"? If a grad transfer coming in had those numbers we would be ecstatic.
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Agree on points 1-3, but......
10.2 PPG in 23 minutes on 51/39/80% isn't a "decent college season"? If a grad transfer coming in had those numbers we would be ecstatic.
MU82 specifically said "from beginning to end". JJ was marginal before his DNP against 'Nova. He put up 7 or fewer points in 10/16 games (including three goose eggs) and was on his way to another ineffectual season. JJ really turned it on after that and was an excellent player the rest of the season, but before that, he was rather uninspired.
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Agree on points 1-3, but......
10.2 PPG in 23 minutes on 51/39/80% isn't a "decent college season"? If a grad transfer coming in had those numbers we would be ecstatic.
I think it's been quite well documented that JJJ was much better the second half of the season.
The OP mentioned how good JJJ was in the final 16 games, when he averaged 13.3 pts on .545 from the floor, .469 from behind the arc and .848 from the line, as well as 4.1 rebs and 2.8 assists.
In the first 16 games, JJJ averaged 7.1 points on .458/.303/.696 shooting, as well as 2.3 rebs and 1.2 assists.
So yes, I will repeat, I would like to see JJJ put together one decent college season from beginning to end.
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u r how u say? lying
Meh, that was a guess. I didn't know they had official measurements on him. Just never seemed super lanky to me, just skinny.
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Definitely seemed to be having a good time last night on Gardners snap chat
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I think it's been quite well documented that JJJ was much better the second half of the season.
The OP mentioned how good JJJ was in the final 16 games, when he averaged 13.3 pts on .545 from the floor, .469 from behind the arc and .848 from the line, as well as 4.1 rebs and 2.8 assists.
In the first 16 games, JJJ averaged 7.1 points on .458/.303/.696 shooting, as well as 2.3 rebs and 1.2 assists.
So yes, I will repeat, I would like to see JJJ put together one decent college season from beginning to end.
Fair enough. Missed the "beginning to end" part.