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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: real chili 83 on June 23, 2016, 06:35:57 PM
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HE.....I pick he goes fifth.
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Big surprise for #1
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Will Jimmy be traded? We'll find out in minutes
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Times up. No one at podium. There's been a trade.
Or I lied.
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Predicting Dunn to Woofies
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Henry is a possible wolves pick. I think someone from the big East goes at least.
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Henry is a possible wolves pick. I think someone from the big East goes at least.
And judging by the sound glitch that wasn't supposed to air. Jalen belived Dunn
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Kris Dunn not looking happy.
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I think the earliest Henry goes is 9.
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Henry is a possible wolves pick. I think someone from the big East goes at least.
I couldn't imagine Henry getting on the floor the way he plays D for Thibs.
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I like Chris Dunn
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Kris Dunn not looking happy.
He's crying
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HE.....I pick he goes fifth.
Swing and a miss, eh?
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He's crying
If you think he is crying now, wait until he realizes that he talked about his deceased Mom "looking up at us". Yowsa, what did he just say about her eternal fate?
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That trade flipped some things around, and the Bucks bombshell at 10. HE could be a King (cringing).
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Well I think it's guaranteed now. Henry goes to the bucks.
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Woj saying Maker.
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Agree, HE to the Bucks. He'll still be able to get Sonoran Salsa.
Win-Win
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HE will be drafted by Utah.
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What happened Wades????
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Woj saying Maker.
Ya called it.
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Like it.
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HE will be drafted by Utah.
Utah traded the 12th pick to Atlanta.
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Interesting.
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Ya called it.
Woj did. He is now predicting picks two ahead on Twitter instead of his usual one.
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Utah traded the 12th pick to Atlanta.
Ellenson will be the 12th pick, corrected.
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Ellenson will be the 12th pick, corrected.
Big hit to the RL Ellenson cash flow model
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Bucks going balls out with the risk pick.
Article from today with sources claiming he may be 21-23, not 19, and says Draft Express had him going to the Bucks...in the second round:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/06/23/just-how-old-is-thon-maker-nba-scouts-reportedly-arent-sure/
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Looking like Hank is gonna free fall out of the lottery.
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Any chance HE goes to the Bulls if he's still there? I assume the answer is no as I've never read anything connecting the two.
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Huge Magic/Thunder deal.
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What are the lottery draft slots? Can't remember how far down the draft is considered the lottery.
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What are the lottery draft slots? Can't remember how far down the draft is considered the lottery.
Through 14 (Bulls pick).
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Through 14 (Bulls pick).
Thanks. How much of a salary hit does one take for being drafted 15 on down?
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I got bad info, HE not going 12. Don't listen to me.
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Huge Magic/Thunder deal.
Ballsy. Like it. Bulls should have done something similar three years ago.
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JFB going to be a Twolve
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Ballsy. Like it. Bulls should have done something similar three years ago.
Details?? Haven't seen anything. Ibaka involved?
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Ballsy. Like it. Bulls should have done something similar three years ago.
I love Sabonis, think he'll be a very solid pro.
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Damn ellenson is falling
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Details?? Haven't seen anything. Ibaka involved?
Ibaka for Oladipo, Ilyasova, Sabonis.
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Hank should've stayed, getting murdered on the money.
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I love Sabonis, think he'll be a very solid pro.
Me too, but you're not having a very good night.
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Butler trade is a fake Woj account.
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Me too, but you're not having a very good night.
This is something I agree with.
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Hank should've stayed, getting murdered on the money.
Is it at the point now where that becomes a realistic discussion? It obviously seemed to be the right choice at the time. But if he stayed and had a great sophomore year, led Marquette to the Elite 8 or better, would he have fallen this far next year or further next year?
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Nobody wants to draft Wally with Henry that's why he's falling
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Nobody wants to draft Wally with Henry that's why he's falling
LOL
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Henry's agent is requesting ice cream truck, hey?
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OK MuDish, I'm going on a limb and saying Bulls pick Baldwin.
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Bust o Rama, eh?
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Out of lottery.
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At this point I'm kind of hoping Henry falls out of the first round. I know that's horrible.
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Don't forget Mache is available.
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I hate the Valentine pick, hate it.
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Smoke and mirrors?
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Woj did. He is now predicting picks two ahead on Twitter instead of his usual one.
Is Woj sitting with Ellensons like Izzo did with Valentine?
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I hate the Valentine pick, hate it.
Why? Reports on knees or something else?
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I like the Valentine pick. The less McDermott plays the better.
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Is Woj sitting with Ellensons like Izzo did with Valentine?
Doubt it, hey?
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Is Woj sitting with Ellensons like Izzo did with Valentine?
Woj is not Wojo my friend
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hope Henry gets picked before Stone
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Lots of money going down the drain for Henry, probably feeling bad sitting in that room.
No way, I hope, he doesn't go in next three picks, Denver, Boston or Memphis. If he falls to the Celtics, would be a good spot for him.
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14th pick passed ... not a lottery pick
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The less McDermott plays the better.
From CPOY to bust. Interesting game.
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I like the Valentine pick. The less McDermott plays the better.
I like it too. But it's premature to think that management isn't backing up the dump truck. We have no idea what the team will look like next year.
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Nobody wants to draft Wally with Henry that's why he's falling
Might be more true than you think
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Yikes wonder if Ellenson is regretting his decision at all...Hernangomez goes before him lol.
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I think Holly soiled her bloomers
The kinda problems we'd all like to have.
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Nice shirt Henry...
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HE sighting....crowd's thinned out.
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At least ESPN isn't giving Ellenson the A-Rod treatment. Could see this coming though. I was disappointed with Ellenson's athleticism or lack there of. Doesn't have NBA level athleticism.
Hopefully for the kid he will go soon.
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Might be more true than you think
You know as I was writing it I thought just that.
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At least ESPN isn't giving Ellenson the A-Rod treatment. Could see this coming though. I was disappointed with Ellenson's athleticism or lack there of. Doesn't have NBA level athleticism.
Hopefully for the kid he will go soon.
Yeah, I'm just not sure why some here thought he was a sure fire lottery pick.
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Yeah, I'm just not sure why some here thought he was a sure fire lottery pick.
Yeah, I never saw it either. I guess we all want the best for our own though.
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Hopefully the Jets draft him.
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Its gotta be the Celtics right? They got room at the PF position. Brad Stevens has had some Big East guys work out for him.
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I like it too. But it's premature to think that management isn't backing up the dump truck. We have no idea what the team will look like next year.
Valentine is big, a great passer and very good on the pick and roll - so he fits Hoiberg's offense. Who he guards or how good his knees are is anyone's guess.
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Say that name fast three times.
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Wow. Just wow. Starting to feel bad for the kid.
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HE fall clearly based on lack of athleticism.
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Well either bad advice or bad workouts -- hope he gets the guaranteed money at this point.
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Wow, we are officially approaching "Henry should have stayed" territory.
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Well HE has got some motivation now. He better hit the weights, squat rack, and probably needs steroids to get his body up to snuff.
Remove that baby fat and start pushing guys around Tony Mandarich style baby!
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Good god, don't let him go to Memphis. Arm pit of the world.
3...2...1...
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I'm starting to question Wojo's decision to waste a scholly on him.
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He should have stayed one more year. He was not "lights out" this year. As an NBA GM I would rather go with the athletic Europeans or Africans
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Kostas could be taken before HE, hey?
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I am a Henry fan. I appreciate everything he did for MU. Best freshman I have ever seen at MU. But..... how was his defense? How consistent was his jumper from distance? Man, I hope the Pistons take him. A steal at 18.
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Ellenson to Pistons.
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Wow. Just wow. Starting to feel bad for the kid.
Me too. He worked hard for MU and was a good teammate. Hopefully goes soon but he is now in the muddle with the mid-level Europeans.
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If Henry would have banged more down low rather than hanging out at the 3 point line (and shooting 28%) he'd be long gone by now.
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HE not gowne yet?
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Crean sucks
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(https://media1.giphy.com/media/5qw6TYDSNX476/giphy.gif)
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Ellenson to Pistons.
I hope so. Drummond in the middle. A bookend pair of 6'9 forwards with similar skillsets. C'mon, SVG, pull the trigger.
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Too bad HE can't drink. I'd be hitting the flask right about now.
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She must be the hat lady.
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Euros with pro experience have more value than a one and done college guy.
Plus teams can draft and stash them in a top level pro league rather than d-league.
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At least ESPN isn't giving Ellenson the A-Rod treatment. Could see this coming though. I was disappointed with Ellenson's athleticism or lack there of. Doesn't have NBA level athleticism.
Hopefully for the kid he will go soon.
i was going to say the same thing-note all the other big guys are movers and shakers
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So if HE goes at 18, where would he have had to go to make up the financial difference if he had stayed another year?
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He's going to Pistons. Smart decision to come out.
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He's going to Pistons. Smart decision to come out.
Salsa not so good there.
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hoping he goes to Pistons. Good spot, good coach/GM.
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Ouch, lateral movement limited. Not as explosive. I remember watching so many plays that I thought he could have finished with a dunk instead of laying it in. Hopefully he goes soon.
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He's going to Pistons. Smart decision to come out.
Falling to 18 still has to be considered a disappointment.
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Falling to 18 still has to be considered a disappointment.
Doesn't make it a bad decision.
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HE fall clearly based on lack of athleticism.
... and poor outside shootiing. Selected number 18.
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Awful shirt.
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Good luck in Detroit Henry.
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Get money, get paid, hey?
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Yes. This is a good spot for him. Great coach, good players!
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Doesn't make it a bad decision.
Maybe - maybe not. Can't say definitively. Either way, hope he does well.
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Alright Henry! Still gonna be a millionaire my man!
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... and poor outside shootiing. Selected number 18.
Shooting will be fine with work. Main concern is defense.
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Troy Murphy sucks.
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I'm not a fan of that shirt, and is there some reason big guys need double vents? Suit is nice though. Tie a little drab for me.
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Good landing spot for Henry. Happy for him.
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Good for Henry.
I'd like his paycheck.
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good fit
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Maybe - maybe not. Can't say definitively. Either way, hope he does well.
He's got guaranteed money. Good coaching staff. The key is setting himself up for the next contract. Possibly losing out on higher money next year will be irrelevant in the long run.
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Good for Henry.
I'd like his paycheck.
Bingo.
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ND sucks
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Happy for HE. Goes to a good team with a good coach. He'll play in Milwaukee and Chicago a lot, which will be fun.
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so what does the dude say to him when he get's on stage besides turn to the left and smile or don't mind me, i've just got a little gas?? :D
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You da man, Henry. Warrior Nation salutes ya, ai na?
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Too bad Wojo wasn't present for da photo op, hey?
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Wow someone must've given Henry speech lessons since the season ended because he sounded like an idiot most the interviews and suddenly he was speaking normally.
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Shooting will be fine with work. Main concern is defense.
... also questionable speed, can not jump, needs to work on defense, does not bang and is less athletic than most NBA players.
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You da man, Henry. Warrior Nation salutes ya, ai na?
+1.
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so what does the dude say to him when he get's on stage besides turn to the left and smile or don't mind me, i've just got a little gas?? :D
He says Adam point me to the ladies' room.
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... also questionable speed, can not jump, needs to work on defense, does not bang and is less athletic than most NBA players.
And despite doing absolutely nothing well...is a multimillionaire as a 19 year old. He cheated the system there, hey?
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Good for Henry.
I'd like his paycheck.
Yo! chili - TRUE!
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so what does the dude say to him when he get's on stage besides turn to the left and smile or don't mind me, i've just got a little gas?? :D
Last year, Silver said ta #5, "'bout time ya got here," ai na?
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Was Henry the first traditional to be drafted?
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Happy for Henry. Wished the Bucks would have picked him, but the Pistons are a good landing place. Good coach and they actually have a need for good players .
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HE be one of us. Be proud and represent, ai na?
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Do you think he regrets playing for Wojo?
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And despite doing absolutely nothing well...is a multimillionaire as a 19 year old. He cheated the system there, hey?
Handles the ball very well for a big man and can rebound. He is just going to another level where his skills will likely not be enough. If he develops a good outside shot he has a future. Good tall three point shooters are always in demand.
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Big man's game, hey?
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Do you think he regrets playing for Wojo?
Nah, he got da job offer, hey?
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Was Henry the first traditional to be drafted?
Uhhh...Sabonis..?
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I still remember Stan Van Gundy sweating like a fat one-legged hooker working both sides of the street with Bucky back in the day.
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Uhhh...Sabonis..?
Uhhh..Bender?
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Hawks just got the best value pick in this draft. Bembry at 21 is a steal.
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Could be worse for HE, at least his deal won't be in GBR £.
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Bucks going balls out with the risk pick.
Article from today with sources claiming he may be 21-23, not 19, and says Draft Express had him going to the Bucks...in the second round:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/06/23/just-how-old-is-thon-maker-nba-scouts-reportedly-arent-sure/
Espn (Chad Ford) had Maker going to the Bucks in the 1st. I was hoping for Sabonis.
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Hat lady sighting.
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I hate the Valentine pick, hate it.
Knee questions?
If the knee is OK, I think it is a great pick.
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I like Sabonis too. He destroyed that Utah guy taken before him head to head. Think Sabonis will be good.
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The Celtics just sent someone down to Lids to buy more hats.
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Euros with pro experience have more value than a one and done college guy.
Plus teams can draft and stash them in a top level pro league rather than d-league.
This is big.
Kinda like the old days when you could make a future draft pick. Celtics did it with Bird.
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Happy for Henry. Will represent us well.
But given where he was picked, was it worth coming out early? Not sure I buy it. Wished he'd stayed and refined his game, but he'll do well as a Piston.
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Knee questions?
If the knee is OK, I think it is a great pick.
Knee, not athletic enough, at 14, just don't see it. Doesn't sit with me that a 4 yr senior, starting PG, watched his team get rolled by a 15 seed in tourney in his last/biggest game.
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Like Luwawu as well.
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Wow, there's a lot of negativity on the board here. I can't believe anyone would call tonight a disappointment or argue that being drafted in the mid-first round means a kid should have stayed in school.
Let's keep some perspective here. Henry just became a guaranteed millionaire tonight, is going to play for a decent NBA team and a very good coach. Also I would bet a lot of money that had Henry stayed in school, he wouldn't have been drafted as high next year.
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Wow, there's a lot of negativity on the board here. I can't believe anyone would call tonight a disappointment or argue that being drafted in the mid-first round means a kid should have stayed in school.
Let's keep some perspective here. Henry just became a guaranteed millionaire tonight, is going to play for a decent NBA team and a very good coach. Also I would bet a lot of money that had Henry stayed in school, he wouldn't have been drafted as high next year.
Most of his classmates are working minimum wage jobs this summer.
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Wow, there's a lot of negativity on the board here. I can't believe anyone would call tonight a disappointment or argue that being drafted in the mid-first round means a kid should have stayed in school.
Let's keep some perspective here. Henry just became a guaranteed millionaire tonight, is going to play for a decent NBA team and a very good coach. Also I would bet a lot of money that had Henry stayed in school, he wouldn't have been drafted as high next year.
Somebody gets it.
As long as you get picked by #30, it's a good decision.
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You wanna talk about dropping, Davis has dropped so far he actually left the green room.
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Wally already reaping. Kid is going to be in for a surprise.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/6153/oGGhS9.jpg)
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Wally already reaping. Kid is going to be in for a surprise.
img]http://imageshack.com/a/img924/6153/oGGhS9.jpg[/img]
Good for him. I'd be living it up if my brother just became a multimillionaire at 19 years old too. Or at 40 years old. Whenever.
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http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2016/06/23/detroit-pistons-2016-nba-draft/86300290/
Pistons never worked him out because they never dreamed he would fall that far.
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no Stone Lakers go Euro
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2016-nba-draft-grades-sam-vecenie-breaking-it-down-pick-by-pick/
cbs rates it a 'B'
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Wow, there's a lot of negativity on the board here. I can't believe anyone would call tonight a disappointment or argue that being drafted in the mid-first round means a kid should have stayed in school.
Let's keep some perspective here. Henry just became a guaranteed millionaire tonight, is going to play for a decent NBA team and a very good coach. Also I would bet a lot of money that had Henry stayed in school, he wouldn't have been drafted as high next year.
This.
What is wrong with some of you people? A 1-and-done chooses MU over Kentucky and Michigan State, plays his ass off for us, helps us improve significantly, represents us well, blocks effen Kris "Greatest PG Ever" Dunn's GW shot attempt, etc, etc, etc.
Now, gets drafted No. 18 -- same as Eric Bledsoe in 2010, J.R. Smith in 2004, David West in 2003, Mark Jackson in 1987 and Joe Dumars in 1985. What a loser.
He's an instant millionaire, he'll get great coaching and will get to break in slowly for a playoff team on the rise.
And people who call themselves MU fans are ripping on him?
I wonder if San Diego State fans ripped on Kawhi Leonard for not being a lottery pick, too.
Jeesh. Get a life, people.
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Somebody gets it.
As long as you get picked by #30, it's a good decision.
I think that's oversimplifying it a bit.
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This.
What is wrong with some of you people? A 1-and-done chooses MU over Kentucky and Michigan State, plays his ass off for us, helps us improve significantly, represents us well, blocks effen Kris "Greatest PG Ever" Dunn's GW shot attempt, etc, etc, etc.
Now, gets drafted No. 18 -- same as Eric Bledsoe in 2010, J.R. Smith in 2004, David West in 2003, Mark Jackson in 1987 and Joe Dumars in 1985. What a loser.
He's an instant millionaire, he'll get great coaching and will get to break in slowly for a playoff team on the rise.
And people who call themselves MU fans are ripping on him?
I wonder if San Diego State fans ripped on Kawhi Leonard for not being a lottery pick, too.
Jeesh. Get a life, people.
There's a difference between people ripping on him and legitimate discussion on the topic considering he went 9-10 picks lower than most thought he would.
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I think that's oversimplifying it a bit.
First contracts are not what you work for in the NBA.
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There's a difference between people ripping on him and legitimate discussion on the topic considering he went 9-10 picks lower than most thought he would.
I agree.
And I appreciate the legit discussion a lot more than the rip jobs.
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Stone is 40th pick. New Orleans Pelicans with Buddy Hield
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2016-nba-draft-grades-sam-vecenie-breaking-it-down-pick-by-pick/
cbs rates it a 'B'
USA Today grades the pick A
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Could have been much worse for Henry. Stephen Zimmerman from UNLV was a one and done McD's AA and just went #41.
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First contracts are not what you work for in the NBA.
Sure, but it's still oversimplifying things.
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Stone is 40th pick. New Orleans Pelicans with Buddy Hield
I like it a lot. Gives Davis a pick and role option as well as someone who can play center. Jrue, Hield, Pondexter, Davis and Stone an interesting lineup.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC-Icj3FI18
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Happy for Henry. Will represent us well.
But given where he was picked, was it worth coming out early? Not sure I buy it. Wished he'd stayed and refined his game, but he'll do well as a Piston.
How much higher do you think he would've gone next year? He's making millions more this year and will get his fa payday sooner while developing against better competition. Whatever more he could have got by waiting a year is not worth the risk of entering the draft a year older without showing the improvements expected.
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BREAKING: UK broadcasters project that Britain has voted to leave the 28-nation European Union in historic referendum.
And now back to your regularly scheduled Draft Night thread...... ;)
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How much higher do you think he would've gone next year? He's making millions more this year and will get his fa payday sooner while developing against better competition. Whatever more he could have got by waiting a year is not worth the risk of entering the draft a year older without showing the improvements expected.
Yep. Basic rule of finance: "Today is better than tomorrow".
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Yep. Basic rule of finance: "Today is better than tomorrow".
Yup.
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BREAKING: UK broadcasters project that Britain has voted to leave the 28-nation European Union in historic referendum.
And now back to your regularly scheduled Draft Night thread...... ;)
They've left the Germany Union. British exit is still not ensured though. The current parliament and Cameron can postpone an exit as long as they wish.
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Big congrats to Abdel Nader. Kid has worked so hard since high school. Saw him today, he didn't think he would get drafted but the Spurs were going to sign him immediately after the draft.
Man, so proud of him. Easily the most famous person in my phone now ;)
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Espn (Chad Ford) had Maker going to the Bucks in the 1st. I was hoping for Sabonis.
When? Because this morning he had Chriss going to the Bucks. Did he change his picks afterwards again?
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Detroit Pistons fan here. With the recent history of Pistons 1st round picks, not so sure Henry will thrive there. I liked him at MU, but never thought he should have left after 1 year, so I have mixed emotions of him being drafted by my favorite pro team. I do not have any expectations of him making a difference in Detroit, so hopefully he proves me wrong and Detroit is hard pressed to sign him for his second contract.
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Wow, there's a lot of negativity on the board here. I can't believe anyone would call tonight a disappointment or argue that being drafted in the mid-first round means a kid should have stayed in school.
Let's keep some perspective here. Henry just became a guaranteed millionaire tonight, is going to play for a decent NBA team and a very good coach. Also I would bet a lot of money that had Henry stayed in school, he wouldn't have been drafted as high next year.
yes and no-
yes there is BUT i do not believe it's out of any disrespect. i believe it's more out of ALL the prognosticators and guru's and draft proctologists having HE going anywhere from #5 up to 12-13 with most thinking #10 at MOST. so as HE fell further and further from #13 and with the long pauses in between and ALL the experts yappin away, the inmates here were showing their restlessness. that gave people time to 2nd guess the process.
then, you'll notice at #18, you heard a big collective sigh of relief as the gas bubble that had been stuck between the duodenal sphincter and the descending colon finally let loose and you heard the chorus unreel the crescendo of congrats and atta boys like nothing happened.
HE can take this 2 ways and i think i know which way HE'll go. there is going to be a chip on his shoulder and we all will see what HE is made of. it won't be next year or the year after. barring injury(s), years 3 and up will be key. chezus, HE'll be all of what? 21-22-23 years old and in his 3rd NBA year? many people wouldn't mind trading places with that kind of resume.
what do ya'll think? should he pull out the dirk nowitzki tapes or the kevin durant tapes? who or what should HE be aiming for? everyone knows HE needs to work on his defense and lateral explosions, but come on man, he's a big white kid from rice lake. what about larry bird II? or as previously mentioned, the guy the bucks picked in 1998 and promptly traded him to dallas for a guy who isn't even on this earth(rip RT) anymore.
if HE puts on some real muscle, works on his shot and defense, he could become a real destroyer. think blake griffin with a 25 foot J baby OH HENRY!!
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bucks pick #36-malcoim brogdon is a buddy hield clone-this dude is going to be a shooootah! nice!
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Detroit Pistons fan here. With the recent history of Pistons 1st round picks, not so sure Henry will thrive there. I liked him at MU, but never thought he should have left after 1 year, so I have mixed emotions of him being drafted by my favorite pro team. I do not have any expectations of him making a difference in Detroit, so hopefully he proves me wrong and Detroit is hard pressed to sign him for his second contract.
Are you saying you don't like behind the back dribbling?
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bucks pick #36-malcoim brogdon is a buddy hield clone-this dude is going to be a shooootah! nice!
He's nothing like Hield. He's a defender which is great.
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Congrats to Henry!
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Bucks had a good draft. Maker is a very intriguing prospect and a very good perimeter defender in Brogdon.
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So if HE goes at 18, where would he have had to go to make up the financial difference if he had stayed another year?
#10
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51310
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Henry Ellenson is a very good player and will likely have a long, solid NBA career. He's a big bodied stretch 4 with good rebounding skills and a decent touch from the outside. Teams like those traits. On the flip side, he's not athletic and he's not overly tough. He's a guy with a high floor and a low ceiling. The odds of him being a bust a very slim (barring serious injury). He's a safe pick. He isn't going to be Dirk or Love. He's likely going to be more like (his new teammate) Marcus Morris.
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http://usat.ly/28UBSgh (http://usat.ly/28UBSgh)
USA Today calls the Pistons pick of HE one of the best moves of the draft.
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How much higher do you think he would've gone next year? He's making millions more this year and will get his fa payday sooner while developing against better competition. Whatever more he could have got by waiting a year is not worth the risk of entering the draft a year older without showing the improvements expected.
Yup, I think it is just as likely, if not more likely, that Henry would fall further in the draft next year.
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I'm not a fan of that shirt, and is there some reason big guys need double vents? Suit is nice though. Tie a little drab for me.
If you want a really great fashion run-down on the NBA first round picks, check this out. These ladies usually spend most of their time mocking Kardashian fashion or bad Oscar gowns, but they decided to do something a little different:
http://www.gofugyourself.com/fugs-and-fabs-the-2016-nba-draft-06-2016/2016-nba-draft-3
I especially like how they pointed out that Silver looks just like Mr. Slugworth from the Willy Wonka movie.
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Yup, I think it is just as likely, if not more likely, that Henry would fall further in the draft next year.
I don't know how much Henry would improve, but last night was a pretty weak draft. Only 5 freshmen in the lottery. I would be willing to bet there will be more next year - maybe several more.
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Far too much is put on draft position. Draft selections simply reflect how NBA general managers evaluate the players available to them — and how they see each one fitting the team's needs.
Sometimes they make good evaluations. Sometimes not so much.
Anthony Bennett, the #1 overall pick just 3 years ago, was waived this year by the Toronto Raptors. He's averaged 4.2 points and 3.1 rebounds in 12.8 minutes a game.
At the time of the 2013 draft, I don't remember anyone criticizing the pick. The Cavs could have selected Victor Oladipo (#2), who went on to be named to the NBA All-Rookie first team. Or they could have picked Giannis Antetokounmpo (#15), also named to the All-Rookie team and a rising star.
There are countless other examples: Greg Oden, Kwame Brown, Michael Olowokandi, etc. The fact is that the NBA draft is a crap shoot. Only about 50% of Top 5 picks ever make an All-Star game appearance. That number drops to about 20% with picks 6-10, and 10% with picks 11-15. The average NBA career is less than 5 years, not much longer than a 3-year rookie contract.
And think about what it means that the worst teams draft first. Franchises like San Antonio have shown that they're good at evaluating and developing talent — even without the benefit of high draft picks. You have to at least question a lottery team's ability to judge talent because of the situation they've placed themselves in (i.e. losing a lot of games).
Henry should be congratulated on achieving his dream of making it to the NBA. Now is where the real hard work begins. He has to earn his roster spot and playing time competing against the best basketball players in the world. Whether he was drafted #18 or #8 or #28 won't matter if he proves that he belongs in the league.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/2/10/3974638/just-how-valuable-are-lottery-draft-picks
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Far too much is put on draft position. Draft selections simply reflects how NBA general managers evaluate the players available to them — and how they see each one fitting the team's needs.
Sometimes they make good evaluations. Sometimes not so much.
Anthony Bennett, the #1 overall pick just 3 years ago, was waived this year by the Toronto Raptors. He's averaged 4.2 points and 3.1 rebounds in 12.8 minutes a game.
At the time of the 2013 draft, I don't remember anyone criticizing the pick. The Cavs could have selected Victor Oladipo (#2), who went on to be named to the NBA All-Rookie first team. Or they could have picked Giannis Antetokounmpo (#15), also named to the All-Rookie team and a rising star.
There are countless other examples: Greg Oden, Kwame Brown, Michael Olowokandi, etc. The fact is that the NBA draft is a crap shoot. Only about 50% of Top 5 picks ever make an All-Star game appearance. That number drops to about 20% with picks 6-10, and 10% with picks 11-15. The average NBA career is less than 5 years, not much longer than a 3-year rookie contract.
And think about what it means that the worst teams draft first. Franchises like San Antonio have shown that they're good at evaluating and developing talent — even without the benefit of high draft picks. You have to at least question a lottery team's ability to judge talent because of the situation they've placed themselves in (i.e. losing a lot of games).
Henry should be congratulated on achieving his dream of making it to the NBA. Now is where the real hard work begins. He has to earn his roster spot and playing time competing against the best basketball players in the world. Whether he was drafted #18 or #8 or #28 won't matter if he proves that he belongs in the league.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/2/10/3974638/just-how-valuable-are-lottery-draft-picks
In support of your point on San Antonio, they just signed Bryn Forbes. 48 percent 3 point shooter...
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/college/msu/mens-basketball/2016/06/24/msus-costello-sign-atlanta-hawks/86339108/
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If you want a really great fashion run-down on the NBA first round picks, check this out. These ladies usually spend most of their time mocking Kardashian fashion or bad Oscar gowns, but they decided to do something a little different:
http://www.gofugyourself.com/fugs-and-fabs-the-2016-nba-draft-06-2016/2016-nba-draft-3
I especially like how they pointed out that Silver looks just like Mr. Slugworth from the Willy Wonka movie.
The "flower lapel pin" Henry and a few others wore was for National Cancer Survivor Month. Blue, who ch Henry sported, is for prostate cancer, and I saw some pink for breast cancer.
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bucks pick #36-malcoim brogdon is a buddy hield clone-this dude is going to be a shooootah! nice!
Brogdon is not much like Hield at all, and he spells his name with capital letters, but I believe he was one of the steals of the draft.
Hellacious defender who probably will be better offensively than many think (39% from arc, 90% FT), really smart young man, very hard-working, NBA body already, and pretty talented. I see his floor being Thabo Sefolosha-like.
FWIW, I am neither a Bucks fan nor a UVa fan. I just like the cut of Brogdon's jib.
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Brogdon is not much like Hield at all, and he spells his name with capital letters, but I believe he was one of the steals of the draft.
Hellacious defender who probably will be better offensively than many think (39% from arc, 90% FT), really smart young man, very hard-working, NBA body already, and pretty talented. I see his floor being Thabo Sefolosha-like.
FWIW, I am neither a Bucks fan nor a UVa fan. I just like the cut of Brogdon's jib.
Agreed. In a draft where there are very few sure things, Brogdon is one and he fell to the 2nd round.
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I didn't like the Maker pick. But I loved the Brogdon pick. Could be Milwaukee's next Michael Redd. 3 and D.
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I didn't like the Maker pick. But I loved the Brogdon pick. Could be Milwaukee's next Michael Redd. 3 and D.
many did not like the greek freek pic either. but espn has had a few articles on thon and they are quite intriguing. this kid/yound adult is driven. he's a good ball handler, shooter, but needs to put on some muscle. he is a great listener and will do whatever is asked of him
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16262564/nba-draft-prospect-thon-maker-unconventional-path-pay-off
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I like the Maker pick for Milwaukee. There really wasn't anyone with that kind of upside left on the board. If he busts, so what, he's the 10th pick. At that spot, you expect role-players or maybe decent starters. Rarely do you see a true star unless they're named Paul (George and Pierce both drafted at 10). Milwaukee got a guy that could be great or could be nothing. Didn't seem like there were any other truly athletic fives, no real must-have point guards, so go for the biggest boom potential.
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I like the Maker pick for Milwaukee. There really wasn't anyone with that kind of upside left on the board. If he busts, so what, he's the 10th pick. At that spot, you expect role-players or maybe decent starters. Rarely do you see a true star unless they're named Paul (George and Pierce both drafted at 10). Milwaukee got a guy that could be great or could be nothing. Didn't seem like there were any other truly athletic fives, no real must-have point guards, so go for the biggest boom potential.
It was a good pick, but I wanted them to pick Henry. It would have been fun to see him on the same team as Giannis
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It was a good pick, but I wanted them to pick Henry. It would have been fun to see him on the same team as Giannis
I'm actually glad they didn't pick Henry. Look at the Rose saga in Chicago. The past few years have been hell on everyone down there, largely because Rose was supposed to be the hometown boy done good for the hometown team. I'd rather see Henry make his own mark rather than be surrounded by the same people and environment he's been in for so long (whether you consider Milwaukee for the past year or Wisconsin for his life).
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I'm actually glad they didn't pick Henry. Look at the Rose saga in Chicago. The past few years have been hell on everyone down there, largely because Rose was supposed to be the hometown boy done good for the hometown team. I'd rather see Henry make his own mark rather than be surrounded by the same people and environment he's been in for so long (whether you consider Milwaukee for the past year or Wisconsin for his life).
Ellenson's situation is nothing like Rose's. Milwaukee isn't his home town. He played one year in the city.
The equivalent is if Rose would have been drafted by the Grizzlies.
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Ellenson's situation is nothing like Rose's. Milwaukee isn't his home town. He played one year in the city.
The equivalent is if Rose would have been drafted by the Grizzlies.
I disagree because the bulk of the state embraces the instate teams. By and large, the Packers, Brewers, Bucks, and (grudgingly) Badgers are embraced by everyone.
It's not an exact analogy, but if any Wisconsin kid lands on a Wisconsin team, it's news and they're treated as the hometown guy.
The Rose situation will always be somewhat unique, but I fully believe being drafted by your local team can have some specific pitfalls you won't find elsewhere.
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these post draft "EXPERTS" crack me up. this dude from SI thinks he's the 2nd coming of red auerbach. so he really stretches himself and gives the lakers an "A" because they took brandon ingram...duh. then philly gets a B+? well they took the guy everyone SAYS is the BEST-simmons and then grabbed a guy only the basketball "geeks" would have known and spells his first name funny. there's got to be a happy face at the end when you spell timoth :) with an "E"
"Philly landed Timothe Luwawu at 24, a major steal, and grabbed Furkan Korkmaz, an 18–year-old guard who may be the best draft-and-stash option in the first round."
am i the only guy on this planet that thinks simmons might, and i said "might" be a tad over-rated? i mean he's good, and shows an up-side, but haven't these sports guys heard of the 4 hour rule and to see a doctor if ya can't get rid of that pesky thing makin ya walk funny? i will not be surprised if simmons turns out to be another so-so playa, but so-so at #1 is a bust in my books 'eyn'a hey fellas?
then he goes on and grades the milwaukee bucks an "F"??
they know little to nothing about maker(hint hint hint-greek freek) and brogdon is a solid, if not a steal in the 2nd round. but the "F" makes no sense at all. he gives the bucks pick of maker a "C-" then the bucks grab a 2nd round stud and the grade falls to an "F" ?? if anything, it should raise it to at least a "B" or "B+" this is where i believe mr. sharp(as a butter knife) loses some credibility
point-i didn't realize there were so many arm chair GM's out there and how the hack can you grade a draft before any of these guys play a few years. the only redeeming quality this guy-andrew sharp shows is that he gave the detroit pistons an "A" for grabbing HE!! i know, i know, it's just like a-holes 'eyn'a?
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/24/nba-draft-team-grades-lakers-bucks-76ers-celtics-timberwolves
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The Rose situation will always be somewhat unique, but I fully believe being drafted by your local team can have some specific pitfalls you won't find elsewhere.
Then the problem would be evident if Henry had been drafted by the T'Wolves. Last time I checked, Rice Lake is about 90 minutes from the Twin Cities and about 4.5 hours from Milwaukee. Most of the locals in and around Barron County are Minnesota fans.
Even that obnoxious football team based in the Twin Cities has a reasonably good following in Polk, Barron, Washburn and Douglas Counties along the western border of the state. Illegal immigration from Minnesota has been a real problem up there.
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these post draft "EXPERTS" crack me up. this dude from SI thinks he's the 2nd coming of red auerbach. so he really stretches himself and gives the lakers an "A" because they took brandon ingram...duh. then philly gets a B+? well they took the guy everyone SAYS is the BEST-simmons and then grabbed a guy only the basketball "geeks" would have known and spells his first name funny. there's got to be a happy face at the end when you spell timoth :) with an "E"
"Philly landed Timothe Luwawu at 24, a major steal, and grabbed Furkan Korkmaz, an 18–year-old guard who may be the best draft-and-stash option in the first round."
am i the only guy on this planet that thinks simmons might, and i said "might" be a tad over-rated? i mean he's good, and shows an up-side, but haven't these sports guys heard of the 4 hour rule and to see a doctor if ya can't get rid of that pesky thing makin ya walk funny? i will not be surprised if simmons turns out to be another so-so playa, but so-so at #1 is a bust in my books 'eyn'a hey fellas?
then he goes on and grades the milwaukee bucks an "F"??
they know little to nothing about maker(hint hint hint-greek freek) and brogdon is a solid, if not a steal in the 2nd round. but the "F" makes no sense at all. he gives the bucks pick of maker a "C-" then the bucks grab a 2nd round stud and the grade falls to an "F" ?? if anything, it should raise it to at least a "B" or "B+" this is where i believe mr. sharp(as a butter knife) loses some credibility
point-i didn't realize there were so many arm chair GM's out there and how the hack can you grade a draft before any of these guys play a few years. the only redeeming quality this guy-andrew sharp shows is that he gave the detroit pistons an "A" for grabbing HE!! i know, i know, it's just like a-holes 'eyn'a?
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/24/nba-draft-team-grades-lakers-bucks-76ers-celtics-timberwolves
wait a second, rocketman ... if you're grading, aren't the grades "a," "b," "c," etc?
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I like the Maker pick for Milwaukee. There really wasn't anyone with that kind of upside left on the board. If he busts, so what, he's the 10th pick. At that spot, you expect role-players or maybe decent starters. Rarely do you see a true star unless they're named Paul (George and Pierce both drafted at 10). Milwaukee got a guy that could be great or could be nothing. Didn't seem like there were any other truly athletic fives, no real must-have point guards, so go for the biggest boom potential.
+1
Look at the next 10 picks. Nothing there with this strong of upside. Only person I'd rather have that was on the board was Henry, and it was as much for MU reasons as Bucks reasons. Maker is a good outside shooter so can contribute in spot roles now. We'll see where it goes from there.
I loved the Brogdon pick. He's a Khris Middleton kind of player. Versatile defender, steady offense, leader.
For what it's worth, the Bucks' worst move was trading McCaw. I think he'll be a player for Golden State down the road.
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Then the problem would be evident if Henry had been drafted by the T'Wolves. Last time I checked, Rice Lake is about 90 minutes from the Twin Cities and about 4.5 hours from Milwaukee. Most of the locals in and around Barron County are Minnesota fans.
Even that obnoxious football team based in the Twin Cities has a reasonably good following in Polk, Barron, Washburn and Douglas Counties along the western border of the state. Illegal immigration from Minnesota has been a real problem up there.
I think for Henry, either situation could have the potential for those home town problems. There's benefits to getting away after college and going somewhere you aren't as familiar with. Henry would have had a lot of family and friends close in Minnesota, but he was playing with a Milwaukee-based AAU team before coming to Marquette, so there's familiarity here as well.
Just my opinion, but I think there's benefit to getting away from home, especially in a high-profile career like that. Who knows...Detroit may not even be far enough.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft (http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft)
Luke at 46th in nba draft net's way too early 2017 mock draft.
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I'm actually glad they didn't pick Henry. Look at the Rose saga in Chicago. The past few years have been hell on everyone down there, largely because Rose was supposed to be the hometown boy done good for the hometown team. I'd rather see Henry make his own mark rather than be surrounded by the same people and environment he's been in for so long (whether you consider Milwaukee for the past year or Wisconsin for his life).
Rose's problems in Chicago had virtually nothing to do with him being from Chicago. Being from Chicago certainly didn't prevent him from becoming the youngest MVP in league history.
The issues revolved almost entirely around the perception, fair or not, that he became far too cautious about his health after suffering some bad luck injuries, which became a detriment to his game and his team.
The same issues would have existed if he were from Charlotte or Phoenix.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft (http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft)
Luke at 46th in nba draft net's way too early 2017 mock draft.
I'd love to see this happen, but there's no way unless he really demonstrates some better skills and smarter decisions this year. Height alone won't do it.
Also, that draft has exactly 5 foreign players listed in it. There were SIXTEEN foreign guys taken in last year's draft. The foreign players and anti-senior bias will quickly push Luke off the draft board.
Could I see him signing with a team, playing in the summer league, and bouncing around the D-League? Sure! But Luke getting drafted is a long shot right now.
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Rose's problems in Chicago had virtually nothing to do with him being from Chicago. Being from Chicago certainly didn't prevent him from becoming the youngest MVP in league history.
The issues revolved almost entirely around the perception, fair or not, that he became far too cautious about his health after suffering some bad luck injuries, which became a detriment to his game and his team.
The same issues would have existed if he were from Charlotte or Phoenix.
i agree-after blowing out his knee(s) among other issues really changed his game both physically and mentally. as a player, he probably didn't want to come right out and admit these things. it would have been an admission of failure which could serve to diminish ones value. and well, it's a guy thing. when his game changed, so did everyone elses. their games diminished, along with the team's=discontent and finger pointing. did he get lazy or was he playing NOT to get hurt?
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I'd love to see this happen, but there's no way unless he really demonstrates some better skills and smarter decisions this year. Height alone won't do it.
Also, that draft has exactly 5 foreign players listed in it. There were SIXTEEN foreign guys taken in last year's draft. The foreign players and anti-senior bias will quickly push Luke off the draft board.
Could I see him signing with a team, playing in the summer league, and bouncing around the D-League? Sure! But Luke getting drafted is a long shot right now.
People always forget about the foreigners. Unless Trump hurries up and builds a wall around the NBA (and makes Croatia pay for it), there will be a slew of them again.
I have a long history here of giving Luke a big thumbs-up as a college player, but IMHO he has next to no NBA skills. It's hard to imagine him developing them in a few month's time.
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Rose's problems in Chicago had virtually nothing to do with him being from Chicago. Being from Chicago certainly didn't prevent him from becoming the youngest MVP in league history.
The issues revolved almost entirely around the perception, fair or not, that he became far too cautious about his health after suffering some bad luck injuries, which became a detriment to his game and his team.
The same issues would have existed if he were from Charlotte or Phoenix.
Disagree. They may have all surfaced eventually, but not the way they did in his hometown. He's still a divisive force. Some feel he got the shaft, some despise that he's not "Chicago Tough", in any other city they would have accepted he fell off and moved on. That still hasn't fully happened there.
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Disagree. They may have all surfaced eventually, but not the way they did in his hometown. He's still a divisive force. Some feel he got the shaft, some despise that he's not "Chicago Tough", in any other city they would have accepted he fell off and moved on. That still hasn't fully happened there.
I'll give you two more reason why Rose outstayed his welcome and why it probably would have been a problem in any other city (admittedly playing for Chicago fans didn't help his cause.
1a. BJ Armstrong
1b. Reggie Rose
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wait a second, rocketman ... if you're grading, aren't the grades "a," "b," "c," etc?
OH, YOU CAUGHT THAT? i'm just an unpredictable wild and crazy guy eYn'A?
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The idea that Maker is an unknown is bizarre. The kid's been playing HS basketball for 4 years, was VA Gatorade POY a couple years ago, has been on the travel scene for years, etc
His origins may be up for debate, but I'm just a guy in Mpls and have spent hours in the gym watching him in person... not some crazy secret or mystery some media paint him to be
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The idea that Maker is an unknown is bizarre. The kid's been playing HS basketball for 4 years, was VA Gatorade POY a couple years ago, has been on the travel scene for years, etc
His origins may be up for debate, but I'm just a guy in Mpls and have spent hours in the gym watching him in person... not some crazy secret or mystery some media paint him to be
Agreed. I never got that. Just because an NBA scout can't go sit in a high school gym and watch a game doesn't mean he's never seen the guy until some workout in NYC. There's plenty of video of Thon vs. Skal, Thon vs. Jaylen Brown, etc.
The guy has a really impressive skillset. It's not a mystery. The only mystery is whether he can take the physicality of the NBA, which his a mystery with just about every 19 year old rookie.
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Disagree. They may have all surfaced eventually, but not the way they did in his hometown. He's still a divisive force. Some feel he got the shaft, some despise that he's not "Chicago Tough", in any other city they would have accepted he fell off and moved on. That still hasn't fully happened there.
So you think he'd have been given more slack playing in Philly, Boston or New York if he was perceived as being unwilling to play through injuries or not tough?
Todd Harvey (among many others) may beg to differ.
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So you think he'd have been given more slack playing in Philly, Boston or New York if he was perceived as being unwilling to play through injuries or not tough?
Todd Harvey (among many others) may beg to differ.
Not saying he'd have gotten slack, but there wouldn't have been the fans divided on whether he should stay because he's a hometown kid or slamming him because the hometown kid isn't trying hard enough. In those cities, it would have been far easier for the organization and fanbase to just say "Rose is done, let's move on" than it was in his hometown.
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Not saying he'd have gotten slack, but there wouldn't have been the fans divided on whether he should stay because he's a hometown kid or slamming him because the hometown kid isn't trying hard enough. In those cities, it would have been far easier for the organization and fanbase to just say "Rose is done, let's move on" than it was in his hometown.
Ehhh .... I think the vast consensus here in Chicago was that it's been time for Rose to move on for a while now. I haven't seen a great outcry over him being moved. It's been more a sense of relief from everyone.
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Thon Maker with another double double today...10 points and 10 fouls.
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Thon Maker with another double double today...10 points and 10 fouls.
He didn't play great (or even good) but 3 of the fouls were super weak and the last one was intentional. Let's see if he bounces back Wednesday.
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I never realized players got 10 fouls a game in the NBA summer league. At first I wondered if he played two games in one day.
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I was listening to someone on Bleacher report talk about the summer league. He stated that it looks like the Bucks made a mistake with their first round pick. He did like the Bucks' second round pick. He also said this year's draft will not produce any superstars. He did not mention Ellenson at all.
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I was listening to someone on Bleacher report talk about the summer league. He stated that it looks like the Bucks made a mistake with their first round pick. He did like the Bucks' second round pick. He also said this year's draft will not produce any superstars. He did not mention Ellenson at all.
http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2016/statistics/las_vegas/
Who was the host? I find it hard to believe that anyone would come to the conclusion the Bucks screwed up the 10th pick with Maker based on the three games played. You could doubt that he will ever be effective in the league, but he was the 10th pick and showed some real skills during these games while putting up good stats. Has anyone after Thon been tearing it up?
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http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2016/statistics/las_vegas/
Who was the host? I find it hard to believe that anyone would come to the conclusion the Bucks screwed up the 10th pick with Maker based on the three games played. You could doubt that he will ever be effective in the league, but he was the 10th pick and showed some real skills during these games while putting up good stats. Has anyone after Thon been tearing it up?
Yeah exactly. I have my doubts about making any judgments based on the Summer League, but Thon has been juuuust fine in the Summer League.
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http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2016/statistics/las_vegas/
Who was the host? I find it hard to believe that anyone would come to the conclusion the Bucks screwed up the 10th pick with Maker based on the three games played. You could doubt that he will ever be effective in the league, but he was the 10th pick and showed some real skills during these games while putting up good stats. Has anyone after Thon been tearing it up?
Tell that to Celtics fans. Already calling Jaylen Brown a bust even though he's been hurt.
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http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2016/statistics/las_vegas/
Who was the host? I find it hard to believe that anyone would come to the conclusion the Bucks screwed up the 10th pick with Maker based on the three games played. You could doubt that he will ever be effective in the league, but he was the 10th pick and showed some real skills during these games while putting up good stats. Has anyone after Thon been tearing it up?
I only repeating what he said. He was impressed with the way Dunn was playing, but stated he would not be a star in the league. He felt the only player that had a chance to be a big name star was the number 2 pick. Simons was good, but will not be a big name star. He felt the draft was very weak base on the potential to produce all-stars.