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Title: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: moomoo on June 16, 2016, 11:22:41 AM
Would still like to see a serviceable power forward/center for next year's team.

This is what I was able to find, who is still left, and could possibly contribute:

Aaron Scales, 6-9, Cleveland State

Skylar Scrivano, 6-10, St Joseph’s

Scott Sill, 6-9, Delaware State

Justus Stanback, 6-8, IUPUI

Johnny Zuppardo, 6-8, Mississippi State

 
Justus Stanback may be a decent fit.  Seems like a respectful young man who is very serious about his career after basketball.  Good size, not afraid to get his hands dirty.  Plus, he lives about 3 hours south of Milwaukee.  Could fill in nicely on a team of shooters.

If anyone has more info on these recruits, or more names, would love to hear it.

Thanks.

 
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on June 16, 2016, 11:25:35 AM
Is Wojo talking to Kostas anymore?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Golden Avalanche on June 16, 2016, 11:27:49 AM
Is Wojo talking to Kostas anymore?

We don't need any more guards.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on June 16, 2016, 11:32:13 AM
We don't need any more guards.
He is 6'9 but he is very thin.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: jesmu84 on June 16, 2016, 11:43:15 AM
Is Wojo talking to Kostas anymore?

(http://i.imgur.com/WTDnnwE.gif)

So what was your previous username?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: brewcity77 on June 16, 2016, 11:45:31 AM
Scales and Sill couldn't get playing time at Cleveland State and Delaware State, respectively, and both were terrible teams. No reason whatsoever to pursue either of them. Same goes for Scrivano, who has sat out the past three seasons (two due to transfer rules at Rider and St. Joe's, one due to injury) and before that only played 11 games at Columbia in two seasons, averaging 1.9 ppg/1.5 rpg. Stanback didn't make his mark at IUPUI either...not sure why he sat out this past season but he never played much his first two years there. Those four guys are pretty much useless to us. If you can't play at lower-level schools, why would we assume they can contribute here?

Zuppardo...well, maybe. I mean, I could see him playing meaningful minutes. He did play some for Mississippi State and while not a star, was a useful bench player that contributed double-digit minutes in the bulk of their conference games. But if we were looking at a transfer from the SEC, I have to imagine that we'd know that by now. And usually when a bench player leaves a high-major program, it's to contribute more at a lower level.

My guess is barring any surprising late name additions, our roster is pretty well set.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: wadesworld on June 16, 2016, 12:13:17 PM
Is Wojo talking to Kostas anymore?

That implies he once was.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: moomoo on June 16, 2016, 12:21:45 PM
Thanks for input Brew.

I can't lie to you. I thought, in large part, that Stanback would be useful for the following reasons:

1). Big body
2). Better than the invisible man, who we have now


Would take Zuppa in a heartbeat, just for his cool, easily chantable name alone.

Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: brewcity77 on June 16, 2016, 12:50:52 PM
Thanks for input Brew.

I can't lie to you. I thought, in large part, that Stanback would be useful for the following reasons:

1). Big body
2). Better than the invisible man, who we have now


Would take Zuppa in a heartbeat, just for his cool, easily chantable name alone.

It's somewhat amusing. For years, we struggled to get true big men and settled for either undersized power forwards like Hayward and Crowder or converted guys from other positions like Jamil or Davante. Last year was really the only true PF we have had, and while I do think Wojo will make a push for more bigs in 2017 (I expect at least two, more likely three actual "big" position players next year), this year will definitely be a bit of a shock.

I think this year could end up being somewhat reminiscent of the Lazar and the Midgets team, though it will be Luke and the Midgets. Luke is probably much better suited than Lazar to play the 5 (as well as 'Zar did under the circumstance) and I'd take Heldt as a backup over Mbao 1,000 times out of 1,000. But past that...we will be undersized. Time to just accept that.

We don't have rebounders, but we have a ton of guys that can shoot. If this team lives up to the reputation, guys like Rowsey, Howard, Reinhardt, Hauser, and returning players like Jajuan, Duane, Cohen, Cheatham, and Carter should be able to fill the basket.

I don't know how this team will finish, but when they are on, I think they will be a ridiculously fun team to watch. I think this is one of the highest basketball IQ teams we've had in awhile, with players like Cheatham, Jajuan, Howard, Reinhardt, and Rowsey being the type that can not only score but make the extra pass. We'll shoot and make a ton from outside. That said...when we're off, we'll probably have some nights where we look wretched, and if we're off against a physical team like Seton Hall, we could be in for some very long nights.

Either way, I'm optimistic, and I'm just trying to come around to the idea of routinely having four guys on the floor that can stroke the three. After a year of Henry, we'll look undersized, but if the guy in that position can stretch the defense and knock down threes at a 35% or better clip, is that really such a bad tradeoff? Probably better than a guy who barely merits a mid-major scholarship. And who knows? Maybe some mid-year transfer will pop up and fill the spot with someone that actually excites us.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 16, 2016, 02:26:58 PM
I think this is one of the highest basketball IQ teams we've had in awhile, with players like Cheatham, Jajuan, Howard, Reinhardt, and Rowsey being the type that can not only score but make the extra pass.

I know nothing about Reinhardt, Howard or Rowsey's basketball IQ. Cheatham's is solid and JJJ's improved greatly last year (the game seemed to finally slow down for him). Duane and Sandy? Questionable. Same with Luke (too many dumb fouls). A year under his belt should make Traci play smarter. Sacar, Matt and Sam? Who knows?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 16, 2016, 11:07:17 PM
I've kept up my list even though pickings have gotten extremely slim.

Charles Buggs: 6"9 220 lb PF from Minnesota
24.0 mpg, 5.9 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.7 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.5 bpg, .462 FG%, . 319 3P%

Mo Jeffers 6"8 215 lb PF from Delaware
22.8 mpg, 5.2 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.2 spg, 1.1 bpg, .402 FG%, .000 3P%

Kellen McCormick 6"7 200 lb PF from Western Michigan
14.8 mpg, 6.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.6 apg, 0.2 spg, 0.0 bpg, .478 FG%, .458 3P%

Chad Rykhoek 6"11 230 lb C from Baylor
Was ranked in the top 150 coming out of high school in 2012. Has never played a minute of college basketball due to multiple injuries. Supposedly is cleared to play and looking for a new home.

No one else is worthy of an offer IMHO and these four wouldn't be much more than big bodies. Like I said, slim pickings.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: moomoo on June 17, 2016, 08:18:28 AM
I've kept up my list even though pickings have gotten extremely slim.

Charles Buggs: 6"9 220 lb PF from Minnesota
24.0 mpg, 5.9 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.7 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.5 bpg, .462 FG%, . 319 3P%

Mo Jeffers 6"8 215 lb PF from Delaware
22.8 mpg, 5.2 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.2 spg, 1.1 bpg, .402 FG%, .000 3P%

Kellen McCormick 6"7 200 lb PF from Western Michigan
14.8 mpg, 6.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.6 apg, 0.2 spg, 0.0 bpg, .478 FG%, .458 3P%

Chad Rykhoek 6"11 230 lb C from Baylor
Was ranked in the top 150 coming out of high school in 2012. Has never played a minute of college basketball due to multiple injuries. Supposedly is cleared to play and looking for a new home.

No one else is worthy of an offer IMHO and these four wouldn't be much more than big bodies. Like I said, slim pickings.

Grazie, Tamu

If we can get Mo Jeffers, mo better.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Loose Cannon on June 17, 2016, 08:59:42 AM
I've kept up my list even though pickings have gotten extremely slim.

Charles Buggs: 6"9 220 lb PF from Minnesota
24.0 mpg, 5.9 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.7 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.5 bpg, .462 FG%, . 319 3P%

Mo Jeffers 6"8 215 lb PF from Delaware
22.8 mpg, 5.2 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.2 spg, 1.1 bpg, .402 FG%, .000 3P%

Kellen McCormick 6"7 200 lb PF from Western Michigan
14.8 mpg, 6.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.6 apg, 0.2 spg, 0.0 bpg, .478 FG%, .458 3P%

Chad Rykhoek 6"11 230 lb C from Baylor
Was ranked in the top 150 coming out of high school in 2012. Has never played a minute of college basketball due to multiple injuries. Supposedly is cleared to play and looking for a new home.

No one else is worthy of an offer IMHO and these four wouldn't be much more than big bodies. Like I said, slim pickings.

This Chad guy with his size and no playing history in CBB other than his injuries and his HS ranking is intriguing.

Sure sounds like a rent a player for 16-17 to me.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 17, 2016, 09:10:07 AM
This Chad guy with his size and no playing history in CBB other than his injuries and his HS ranking is intriguing.

Sure sounds like a rent a player for 16-17 to me.

He would also have the world's best case for a sixth year of eligibility so you might get two years out of him. I have no idea what his condition is like after all that time out of the game. He's been available for awhile and no one has picked him so he might be pretty far behind.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Loose Cannon on June 17, 2016, 09:13:23 AM
He would also have the world's best case for a sixth year of eligibility so you might get two years out of him. I have no idea what his condition is like after all that time out of the game. He's been available for awhile and no one has picked him so he might be pretty far behind.
Thanks for you're input, and the door is still open.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Herman Cain on June 17, 2016, 09:46:24 AM
He would also have the world's best case for a sixth year of eligibility so you might get two years out of him. I have no idea what his condition is like after all that time out of the game. He's been available for awhile and no one has picked him so he might be pretty far behind.
Are we talking to Chad, seems like an excellent prospect. I read he is visiting Georgie Tech and Clemson.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 17, 2016, 10:21:59 AM
Are we talking to Chad, seems like an excellent prospect. I read he is visiting Georgie Tech and Clemson.

Not that I've heard. If he's ready to play seems like a smart move. Gives us post depth this year and a center next year.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 17, 2016, 10:50:17 AM
Are we talking to Chad, seems like an excellent prospect.

Of course not, MU is holding that spot for Charles Matthews...  or is it Kostas?  I forget.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Herman Cain on June 17, 2016, 01:59:20 PM
Of course not, MU is holding that spot for Charles Matthews...  or is it Kostas?  I forget.
First Come First Serve as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on June 17, 2016, 02:17:57 PM
Of course not, MU is holding that spot for Charles Matthews...  or is it Kostas?  I forget.
Has MU gave Charles Matthews a call? He wouldn't be able to play this year but that would be a great pick up if we would get him.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: brewcity77 on June 17, 2016, 02:33:24 PM
Has MU gave Charles Matthews a call? He wouldn't be able to play this year but that would be a great pick up if we would get him.

Pretty sure the answer to your question is no.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Herman Cain on June 17, 2016, 03:06:28 PM
Has MU gave Charles Matthews a call? He wouldn't be able to play this year but that would be a great pick up if we would get him.
We need to make that call.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GB Warrior on June 17, 2016, 03:13:55 PM
Honestly, barring an unforeseen late transfer, any guy we get is going to serve the sole purpose of eating up fouls. Which is going to take away from Matt Heldt's role of eating up fouls
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 17, 2016, 07:30:24 PM
We need to make that call.



One call, that's all, ai na?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Newsdreams on June 17, 2016, 08:35:09 PM
He would also have the world's best case for a sixth year of eligibility so you might get two years out of him. I have no idea what his condition is like after all that time out of the game. He's been available for awhile and no one has picked him so he might be pretty far behind.
Another O'tule, hey?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Herman Cain on June 17, 2016, 09:56:20 PM


One call, that's all, ai na?
Maybe a couple.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Jay Bee on June 18, 2016, 08:20:02 AM
Ted Kapita, a'mminnnnna?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: brewcity77 on June 18, 2016, 09:14:26 AM
Ted Kapita, a'mminnnnna?

Call me crazy, but he almost has to be committing to NC State, right?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: moomoo on June 19, 2016, 08:22:03 AM
Ted Kapita, a'mminnnnna?

Any chance we could land him?

He wants to go pro and doesn't want to wait (which he will have to at NC State). At this point, how many top programs have such a need and can offer such guaranteed playing time.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Herman Cain on June 21, 2016, 06:56:07 PM
Chad cancelled his Bama visit.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 22, 2016, 01:37:06 PM
Ted Kapita, a'mminnnnna?

That would be a dream come true at this point.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Marcus92 on June 22, 2016, 08:42:44 PM
That would be a dream come true at this point.

I'm not so sure. He failed to qualify academically at Arkansas last year. Hard to know why he decommitted from SMU, but they may have cooled on him to avoid the risk:

http://www.smudailycampus.com/sports/smu-is-better-off-without-ted-kapita
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Herman Cain on June 22, 2016, 08:47:07 PM
I'm not so sure. He failed to qualify academically at Arkansas last year. Hard to know why he decommitted from SMU, but they may have cooled on him to avoid the risk:

http://www.smudailycampus.com/sports/smu-is-better-off-without-ted-kapita
This article brings up APR as an issue. Just as an aside, did Henry dropping out of school spring semester hurt our APR?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Marcus92 on June 22, 2016, 08:52:44 PM
This article brings up APR as an issue. Just as an aside, did Henry dropping out of school spring semester hurt our APR?

I can't remember how that works. But if players leaving early does hurt your APR, I don't know how Kentucky can possibly qualify.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2016, 06:46:20 AM
This article brings up APR as an issue. Just as an aside, did Henry dropping out of school spring semester hurt our APR?

I'm not sure the answer, but it wouldn't be because he left school early. As long as he finished his spring classload, it wouldn't hurt our APR. If he never bothered finishing the spring semester, then yes, it would hurt our APR. That said, by all accounts everyone else has been doing fine academically, so I wouldn't be worried about our APR just because of Henry.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: MUDPT on June 23, 2016, 08:51:02 AM
Tyrek coger decommited from ole' miss.

http://247sports.com/Player/Tyrek-Coger-14034
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GGGG on June 23, 2016, 08:59:12 AM
Tyrek coger decommited from ole' miss.

http://247sports.com/Player/Tyrek-Coger-14034


If "decommitted" you mean "wouldn't be allowed to play at Ole Miss due to SEC rules," you are correct.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: moomoo on June 23, 2016, 09:03:06 AM
Tyrek coger decommited from ole' miss.

http://247sports.com/Player/Tyrek-Coger-14034

Cut his list to Cincinnati, Rutgers, Oklahoma State, Kansas State and Charlotte, the coach said.

He would have fit in nicely.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GGGG on June 23, 2016, 09:05:44 AM
Cut his list to Cincinnati, Rutgers, Oklahoma State, Kansas State and Charlotte, the coach said.

He would have fit in nicely.


How?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: moomoo on June 23, 2016, 09:14:08 AM

How?

We are undersized.

He is big.

I've read about no "issues" regarding his character.

And Ole Miss, Missouri, USC, and NC State, wanted his services.

Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GGGG on June 23, 2016, 09:18:09 AM
We are undersized.

He is big.

I've read about no "issues" regarding his character.

And Ole Miss, Missouri, USC, and NC State, wanted his services.


So just because he is tall.  No idea if his game fits what Wojo wants.  No idea if his academics are a problem.

To say he would have "fit in nicely" without that additional information doesn't make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: moomoo on June 23, 2016, 09:31:16 AM

So just because he is tall.  No idea if his game fits what Wojo wants.  No idea if his academics are a problem.

To say he would have "fit in nicely" without that additional information doesn't make a lot of sense.

Sulton,

I've always found you to be very knowledgable and I enjoy your insights to the game and program. This is why I really don't understand your confusion here.

Our front line lacks height, size and experience.

He has all three.

If you couple these facts with the knowledge that other major programs wanted him and there are no apparent issues with his character, I don't think it's a stretch to say that he would have fit in nicely on this team.

I wasn't looking to be controversial or cast aspersions on any Wojo strategy.

I was just saying this team can use an experienced big.


Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GGGG on June 23, 2016, 09:38:52 AM
Sulton,

I've always found you to be very knowledgable and I enjoy your insights to the game and program. This is why I really don't understand your confusion here.

Our front line lacks height, size and experience.

He has all three.

If you couple these facts with the knowledge that other major programs wanted him and there are no apparent issues with his character, I don't think it's a stretch to say that he would have fit in nicely on this team.

I wasn't looking to be controversial or cast aspersions on any Wojo strategy.

I was just saying this team can use an experienced big.


I'm not confused.  I just don't think anyone can declare that he would have "fit in nicely" simply by looking at his height, his experience and who else is (supposedly) recruiting him. 

He may have fit in.  He may be worth a look.  Maybe Wojo & Co. looked and said "eh, no thanks."  Or maybe they reached out and were rebuffed. 

I'm just growing frustrated with the "We need height!  Go get him!" comments whenever someone with any sort of height is available.  Coaches don't build rosters that way. 
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: moomoo on June 23, 2016, 10:01:24 AM

I'm not confused.  I just don't think anyone can declare that he would have "fit in nicely" simply by looking at his height, his experience and who else is (supposedly) recruiting him. 

He may have fit in.  He may be worth a look.  Maybe Wojo & Co. looked and said "eh, no thanks."  Or maybe they reached out and were rebuffed. 

I'm just growing frustrated with the "We need height!  Go get him!" comments whenever someone with any sort of height is available.  Coaches don't build rosters that way.

But I never said it was just about height. And I think it's not that controversial to believe that someone like this player, with our current roster, would be a good fit.

If TC, Howard, Wilson and Rowsey all transferred, I probably would say we need a PG this year.

And if I heard of a "no issues" 6 footer JC PG becoming available, who originally verbaled to Arkansas, and also had offers from Oregon, Washington and UCal, I probably would say he would be a good fit.

And that wouldn't mean I'm infatuated with six foot point guards.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Brewtown Andy on June 23, 2016, 10:03:48 AM
I'm not sure the answer, but it wouldn't be because he left school early. As long as he finished his spring classload, it wouldn't hurt our APR. If he never bothered finishing the spring semester, then yes, it would hurt our APR. That said, by all accounts everyone else has been doing fine academically, so I wouldn't be worried about our APR just because of Henry.

1 point for finishing the semester in good academic standing, 1 point for returning.  Because he's leaving for a professional career, the NCAA will allow Marquette to waive the lost point for returning as long as he's in good academic standing, turning Henry's second semester from 1 point out of 2 possible to 1 out of 1.

From May 2014:

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/student-athletes-continue-achieve-academically

Quote
The NCAA provides APR adjustments for student-athletes who transfer to another four-year school after earning a 2.6 grade-point average and those who leave in good academic standing for professional athletics careers.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on June 23, 2016, 10:11:05 AM
1 point for finishing the semester in good academic standing, 1 point for returning.  Because he's leaving for a professional career, the NCAA will allow Marquette to waive the lost point for returning as long as he's in good academic standing, turning Henry's second semester from 1 point out of 2 possible to 1 out of 1.

From May 2014:

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/student-athletes-continue-achieve-academically


interesting, thanks!
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 23, 2016, 10:21:43 AM

I'm not confused.  I just don't think anyone can declare that he would have "fit in nicely" simply by looking at his height, his experience and who else is (supposedly) recruiting him. 

He may have fit in.  He may be worth a look.  Maybe Wojo & Co. looked and said "eh, no thanks."  Or maybe they reached out and were rebuffed. 

I'm just growing frustrated with the "We need height!  Go get him!" comments whenever someone with any sort of height is available.  Coaches don't build rosters that way.

A little silly for you to get frustrated about people talking about adding a PF/C in an "Available PF/C" thread. 

This team obviously needs another big.  crap, just a warm body to go in and eat up 5 fouls would be helpful.  This team also has an empty scholarship.  I think its only natural for fans to want any legitimate PF or C that becomes available at this point, as the pickings are beyond slim. 
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Jay Bee on June 23, 2016, 10:35:18 AM
I'm not sure the answer, but it wouldn't be because he left school early. As long as he finished his spring classload, it wouldn't hurt our APR. If he never bothered finishing the spring semester, then yes, it would hurt our APR. That said, by all accounts everyone else has been doing fine academically, so I wouldn't be worried about our APR just because of Henry.

Not exactly true... and our APR isn't the prettiest (though not in the danger zone).

If Henry didn't complete his academic responsibilities, it would be a blow to our APR. [for illustrative purposes, if MU had 13 guys in scholarship & all were fine except Henry, our 2015-16 Single-year APR would drop from 1,000 to 962.

If he completed his academic responsibilities, he'd ultimately score a 3/3 for the year. If he was coming back they would be 4/4. So, it's dilutive (your APR loses a 1 in the numerator & denominator), even though still scored a "1,000"

Kentucky maintains a great APR bc they make kids "finish out" their classes.

Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GGGG on June 23, 2016, 10:44:40 AM
A little silly for you to get frustrated about people talking about adding a PF/C in an "Available PF/C" thread.


Reading.  Is.  Fundamental.

I am not frustrated "about people talking about adding a PF / C."

I am frustrated about people assuming a player would be "a good fit" while only having limited information about said player.

Unlike you, I don't think "just a warm body to go in and eat up 5 fouls" would be helpful.  I would rather go small and force the other team to change up than just having some stiff in there who doesn't fit with what Wojo is trying to do. 
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: moomoo on June 23, 2016, 11:02:48 AM

Reading.  Is.  Fundamental.

I am not frustrated "about people talking about adding a PF / C."

I am frustrated about people assuming a player would be "a good fit" while only having limited information about said player.

Unlike you, I don't think "just a warm body to go in and eat up 5 fouls" would be helpful.  I would rather go small and force the other team to change up than just having some stiff in there who doesn't fit with what Wojo is trying to do.


Sulton,

You would rather "go small and force the other team to change up"?  In other words, a player who fits that style would be a good fit?

How could you say that, in light of the fact that you have no idea if that strategy......

your words coming up.....

"fits what Wojo wants." 

Ouch. I just used your own words to make you appear very hypocritical. I feel bad now.

Although I just completely destroyed you, I would like to buy you a cold beer next game.

Go Marquette 



Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Herman Cain on June 23, 2016, 11:06:45 AM

I'm not confused.  I just don't think anyone can declare that he would have "fit in nicely" simply by looking at his height, his experience and who else is (supposedly) recruiting him. 

He may have fit in.  He may be worth a look.  Maybe Wojo & Co. looked and said "eh, no thanks."  Or maybe they reached out and were rebuffed. 

I'm just growing frustrated with the "We need height!  Go get him!" comments whenever someone with any sort of height is available.  Coaches don't build rosters that way.
Anyone with a pulse over 6-9 is automatically someone we want to look at.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 23, 2016, 11:09:31 AM

Reading.  Is.  Fundamental.

I am not frustrated "about people talking about adding a PF / C."

I am frustrated about people assuming a player would be "a good fit" while only having limited information about said player.

Unlike you, I don't think "just a warm body to go in and eat up 5 fouls" would be helpful.  I would rather go small and force the other team to change up than just having some stiff in there who doesn't fit with what Wojo is trying to do.

Hah, yes you are.  A good chunk of people think just about anybody with size would be "a good fit" for the simple fact that this team badly needs another big guy.  If he doesn't work out, so what? Cut him.  There is an empty chair there anyway - nothing hurt. 

I'd obviously prefer to have a guy that isn't a "stiff", but that is why when just about any player that fits that description becomes available, he gets suggested around here.  Even if the guy isn't very good, but Wojo grabs him to have another interior player that can suck up some minutes, it doesn't mean Wojo is forced to play him, or that MU can't play small anyways.  It just insulates the risk of foul trouble for Luke (god forbid) and Matt.  Outside of those two, this team has no size, and both of those two have been very foul prone. 
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GGGG on June 23, 2016, 12:09:14 PM

Sulton,

You would rather "go small and force the other team to change up"?  In other words, a player who fits that style would be a good fit?

How could you say that, in light of the fact that you have no idea if that strategy......

your words coming up.....

"fits what Wojo wants." 


I never claimed that's what Wojo wants.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: moomoo on June 23, 2016, 12:59:03 PM

I never claimed that's what Wojo wants.

Sigh.........actually, you did claim you know exactly what Wojo wants to do:

You wrote:

"I would rather go small and force the other team to change up than just having some stiff in there who doesn't fit with what Wojo is trying to do."

You also, in a very discourteous manner not typical of Marquette brethren, explained to "J to the 5th Power" that reading is fundamental.

SoS. You are better than this.

Stay gold.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GGGG on June 23, 2016, 01:03:46 PM
Sigh.........actually, you did claim you know exactly what Wojo wants to do:

You wrote:

"I would rather go small and force the other team to change up than just having some stiff in there who doesn't fit with what Wojo is trying to do."


Again you are failing at simple logic.  But keep at it.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on June 23, 2016, 01:04:35 PM
Anyone with a pulse over 6-9 is automatically someone we want to look at.
Roman Mueller ring a bell?  Rod Grosse?  Yous Mbao?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Herman Cain on June 23, 2016, 01:11:41 PM
Roman Mueller ring a bell?  Rod Grosse?  Yous Mbao?
I said look at. Not take.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2016, 02:02:56 PM
Not exactly true... and our APR isn't the prettiest (though not in the danger zone).

That was more what I was alluding to. Not perfect, but it's not like we're in UConn territory where we need to worry about the NCAA imposing sanctions.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 24, 2016, 11:51:07 PM
Call me crazy, but he almost has to be committing to NC State, right?

Well he didn't have to...but he did.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: brewcity77 on June 25, 2016, 09:19:07 AM
Well he didn't have to...but he did.

Seemed kind of imminent when the kid who was committed to SMU decommitted while he was on NC State's campus for a visit.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on June 27, 2016, 01:47:45 PM
Corey Evans ‏@coreyevans_10  5h5 hours ago Ross Township, PA
SIU big man Bola Olaniyan has received his release becoming a top grad transfer candidate; averaged 8 points + 9 rebounds last season
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: wadesworld on June 27, 2016, 01:52:52 PM
Corey Evans ‏@coreyevans_10  5h5 hours ago Ross Township, PA
SIU big man Bola Olaniyan has received his release becoming a top grad transfer candidate; averaged 8 points + 9 rebounds last season

Heard we are "sniffing around."
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 27, 2016, 01:55:01 PM
Heard we are "sniffing around."

That is pretty neat.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: wadesworld on June 27, 2016, 01:59:03 PM
That is pretty neat.

Agreed.  Would be exactly what we need.  Great 1 year holdover.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 27, 2016, 02:00:50 PM
BC77 suggested this several months ago, IIRC.  Impressive.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 27, 2016, 02:00:56 PM
Heard we are "sniffing around."

I heard his name as potential grad transfer target for us awhile ago. Figured it was unlikely at this point. But now that he's an option....would be surprised if we didn't get involved.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Pakuni on June 27, 2016, 02:04:53 PM
Olaniyan went to the same high school as Dominic James, so there's that.
Also was suspended last year for the dreaded "violation of team rules."
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Litehouse on June 27, 2016, 04:25:20 PM
http://thesouthern.com/news/sports-olaniyan-to-leave-basketball-program/article_c3dfb78d-bfad-5c58-8c4d-6cab19417f4e.html
Article on Bola Olaniyan leaving SIU.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Jay Bee on June 27, 2016, 05:37:25 PM
His rebounding percentages make me weep with joy.

The Nigerian pipeline started with Ike.. come on through, Bola!
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: Marcus92 on June 27, 2016, 06:50:52 PM
http://thesouthern.com/news/sports-olaniyan-to-leave-basketball-program/article_c3dfb78d-bfad-5c58-8c4d-6cab19417f4e.html
Article on Bola Olaniyan leaving SIU.

Sounds like an interesting possibility.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: MU82 on June 27, 2016, 06:52:23 PM
Heard we are "sniffing around."

Squirmy.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: jsglow on June 28, 2016, 08:48:51 AM
So for you guys 'in the know', how much back channel communication goes on these days about possible grad transfers?  In other words, could this guy's family be hearing that major programs would certainly be calling if you simply requested your release?  And how much of that is clean and above board rather than underhanded and in violation of NCAA rules?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: brewcity77 on June 28, 2016, 10:53:32 AM
So for you guys 'in the know', how much back channel communication goes on these days about possible grad transfers?  In other words, could this guy's family be hearing that major programs would certainly be calling if you simply requested your release?  And how much of that is clean and above board rather than underhanded and in violation of NCAA rules?

There's a ton of gray area with these, but hypothetically the coach of Big Time University could talk to the AAU coach of Super Sneakers Pump 'N' Dump about a senior he's interested in. Somewhere in the conversation, the coach of BTU mentions that Joe Playmaker, the fourth year junior at East Western State had a killer year and really looked like he could play up a level, and that clearly the AAU coach for Pump 'N' Dump should be proud. And for what it's worth, BTU has two scholarship openings next year. It'd be a violation, but nothing that could be proven.

I'm sure there are some that are above board and just guys testing waters, but some of them are definitely cases where the destination is penciled in before the guy even announces he's leaving.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: GGGG on June 28, 2016, 11:05:11 AM
There's a ton of gray area with these, but hypothetically the coach of Big Time University could talk to the AAU coach of Super Sneakers Pump 'N' Dump about a senior he's interested in. Somewhere in the conversation, the coach of BTU mentions that Joe Playmaker, the fourth year junior at East Western State had a killer year and really looked like he could play up a level, and that clearly the AAU coach for Pump 'N' Dump should be proud. And for what it's worth, BTU has two scholarship openings next year. It'd be a violation, but nothing that could be proven.

I'm sure there are some that are above board and just guys testing waters, but some of them are definitely cases where the destination is penciled in before the guy even announces he's leaving.


Put it this way.  I think L.G. Gill's transfer was the former.  He wanted to leave the mid major school and he basically reopened his recruitment as a grad transfer.  He took visits and the process took over a month from beginning to end.

I think Katin Reinhardt was more the latter.  I'm not saying that it was a violation of any sort, but I think when he announced he was leaving USC, that Marquette was the very likely destination from the beginning due to his connection with Stan.  I'm sure somehow back-channel talks were happening. 
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 28, 2016, 11:10:08 AM
Heard we are "sniffing around."

Anyone have additional color on this?
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: JakeBarnes on June 28, 2016, 11:14:14 AM
Anyone have additional color on this?

Can BD take some time from sweeping the Al to weigh in? Seems like the type we need right now. Would fill our big need and make me feel a lot better about the prospects for next year.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: brewcity77 on June 28, 2016, 11:15:30 AM

Put it this way.  I think L.G. Gill's transfer was the former.  He wanted to leave the mid major school and he basically reopened his recruitment as a grad transfer.  He took visits and the process took over a month from beginning to end.

I think Katin Reinhardt was more the latter.  I'm not saying that it was a violation of any sort, but I think when he announced he was leaving USC, that Marquette was the very likely destination from the beginning due to his connection with Stan.  I'm sure somehow back-channel talks were happening.

Yeah that one was really quick. I'd agree on both counts.
Title: Re: Grad Transfer PFs or Cs Left
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 28, 2016, 11:19:57 AM
Can BD take some time from sweeping the Al to weigh in? Seems like the type we need right now. Would fill our big need and make me feel a lot better about the prospects for next year.

Agreed. Give us 20-25 minutes at the 4. Grab rebounds and lets the other 4  guys on the court score. Take a ton of interior pressure of Luke, and therefore less reliance on Matt.  Doesn't force us to play Reinhardt, Sandy and Sacar at the 4 more than a handful of minutes each.

Dude isn't anything special, but he is sort of exactly what they need at this point. I'd obviously prefer a PF that can board AND fill it up, but that does run the risk of messing up the teams mojo a bit at this juncture.  A risk I'd certainly be willing to take, but I don't see that guy appearing, short of Wojo taking a shot at White.