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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MU62 on May 29, 2016, 11:06:25 AM
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I just went into the website for the selection. I appears to me to be different than in the past. There is a mention that one can only see the selection process 30 minutes before the time to make the selection. In the past I was able to look at the three days prior to my selecting date and get ideas of what was happening. Maybe I am mistaken in reading this.
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No doubt, in the past you could salivate for days over all the great seats that were absolutely going to be gone by the time your slot was open.
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Just tell me why they are doing this if you have all the answers. You seem as usual to know everything. I am 52 years as a season ticket holder. I have a right to gripe. Many of my piers have just gone quietly away from the folly. We all sat together and got to know different wonderful folks. Many don't go any more.
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Sorry, I have no answer for you. If I guessed, it was because people would look at the available seats "too early" and think they could get a particular area .. but when their time came, they were disappointed. -- So MU is trying to reduce the disappointment. Who knows?
Gripe on, my season ticket holder brother. Admittedly .. this year it's (only) my wife that wants to renew.
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Guess we know who wears da Haggars at yo crib then, hey?
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Just tell me why they are doing this if you have all the answers. You seem as usual to know everything. I am 52 years as a season ticket holder. I have a right to gripe. Many of my piers have just gone quietly away from the folly. We all sat together and got to know different wonderful folks. Many don't go any more.
MU 62, you should definitely contact the ticket office with your concerns. It is my understanding that they bend over backwards to help long-time ticketholders.
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Just tell me why they are doing this if you have all the answers. You seem as usual to know everything. I am 52 years as a season ticket holder. I have a right to gripe. Many of my piers have just gone quietly away from the folly.
I think it's cool that you brought you boat docks to the games. A little bulky sure but they probably don't drink a lot.
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I know. My pier is in dry dock for ever. That is the reason I wanted to scarf the web site in advanced. I need lots of room. Maybe the new arena will be more user friendly. Lol from an old man who hoped no one would notice my typo but you can't put anything past the intelligent folks on this board. Go Warriors!
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Chick, not always.
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My pier is in dry dock for ever.
Poor dude. Chit, that sounds painful and terrible, ai na?
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Sorry, I have no answer for you. If I guessed, it was because people would look at the available seats "too early" and think they could get a particular area .. but when their time came, they were disappointed. -- So MU is trying to reduce the disappointment. Who knows?
Gripe on, my season ticket holder brother. Admittedly .. this year it's (only) my wife that wants to renew.
Come on Hilltopper, you just cut the cord...you're swimming in $$$ now....do it for the old alma mater.
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Just tell me why they are doing this if you have all the answers. You seem as usual to know everything. I am 52 years as a season ticket holder. I have a right to gripe. Many of my piers have just gone quietly away from the folly. We all sat together and got to know different wonderful folks. Many don't go any more.
i'm totally with ya here 62. just when one starts getting comfy in their surroundings... i wasn't real good at math, but i do know what zero from zero is. ::) go warriors!
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Come on Hilltopper, you just cut the cord...you're swimming in $$$ now....do it for the old alma mater.
/Last/ year I did it for the old alma mater. I gave away half of the tickets. -- That, after going to 19+ games a year for fifteen years. That's pretty bad.
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/Last/ year I did it for the old alma mater. I gave away half of the tickets. -- That, after going to 19+ games a year for fifteen years. That's pretty bad.
You didn't want to see Hank play in those games...a future T-Wolf or Buck?
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Ok, here is the nonsense with the whole process. I've been a season ticket holder with the Chicago Bears for about 20 years (yes, I also am a die hard Packers fan who lives in Chicago and loves pro football). Since the Bears moved back into the Giant Toilet Seat in 2003, I've had the same seats, sat next to the same people and developed a friendship with several.
Enough so that one of my friends who sits next to me is coming to my son's high school graduation party. I tailgate with them from time to time and generally have a great time in my seats. My Dad had the same experience with the baseball tickets he had for years.
That's the problem with Marquette's reseating program. If you've been a season ticket holder, fulfill the requirements for contributions and like your seats, why can't you keep them? Sell a damn PSL if you have to, but let people stay where they are. I never did get this reseating crap and I never will.
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Before being pushed out of section 212 we sat in row H for years. Then suddenly the four seats to our right were turned over to a corporation but that was okay. Gone were friends we had acquired. Then the next year my row was entirely turned over to the Bradley Center to sell.
I moved down to row F and the same four seats of corporate also moved down. What was not comfortable was that for about five of the Big East games the fans behind us were totally against MU.
What was really bad however was the Badger game. Six fans right behind us were Badger fans. The three guys were drunk and spilling beer and F bombing right and left. MU was winning the game and as I stood up with a lot of other fans to cheer in the last 30 seconds or so, the drunk right behind me pushed me forward. Being in my mid 70's I easily went forward but my son grabbed me or I could have gone over the seat in front of me. His wife told me she was sorry.
So much for the MU reseating policy. That is why I bring up the 30 minute rule because of past apprehension. When you look at the blocked seats from the beginning you realize what is going on as the heavy hitters and corporate America etc are being rewarded. There is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on as to the whole process and it does not have anything to do with the IRS. Supposedly it is the sales tax on the mandatory contribution. Everything is about the money. Those salaries we saw recently on another thread were most revealing.
There a so many folks I knew that don't go anymore. As you get older and look back at the many years of attending games (52 for me) and it really makes you feel bad. Once in a while I run into someone I used to see and they say they are fed up with the whole process and have given up their seats. Sure new and rich blood is coming in but it does not seem right to me.
Sorry for rambling so long.
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Ahhhh.......so that was the smoke and mirrors that Holly was referring to.
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Ok, here is the nonsense with the whole process. I've been a season ticket holder with the Chicago Bears for about 20 years (yes, I also am a die hard Packers fan who lives in Chicago and loves pro football). Since the Bears moved back into the Giant Toilet Seat in 2003, I've had the same seats, sat next to the same people and developed a friendship with several.
Enough so that one of my friends who sits next to me is coming to my son's high school graduation party. I tailgate with them from time to time and generally have a great time in my seats. My Dad had the same experience with the baseball tickets he had for years.
That's the problem with Marquette's reseating program. If you've been a season ticket holder, fulfill the requirements for contributions and like your seats, why can't you keep them? Sell a damn PSL if you have to, but let people stay where they are. I never did get this reseating crap and I never will.
It is a state requirement having to do with the tax deductibility of your required contribution. At least that's what I've been told.
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It is a state requirement having to do with the tax deductibility of your required contribution. At least that's what I've been told.
Unfortunate, but accurate. Nobody likes every year. Every 2 was about right. Chick and I weren't season ticket holders when the point system was introduced. That would have broken the Scoop page record.
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Before being pushed out of section 212 we sat in row H for years. Then suddenly the four seats to our right were turned over to a corporation but that was okay. Gone were friends we had acquired. Then the next year my row was entirely turned over to the Bradley Center to sell.
I moved down to row F and the same four seats of corporate also moved down. What was not comfortable was that for about five of the Big East games the fans behind us were totally against MU.
What was really bad however was the Badger game. Six fans right behind us were Badger fans. The three guys were drunk and spilling beer and F bombing right and left. MU was winning the game and as I stood up with a lot of other fans to cheer in the last 30 seconds or so, the drunk right behind me pushed me forward. Being in my mid 70's I easily went forward but my son grabbed me or I could have gone over the seat in front of me. His wife told me she was sorry.
So much for the MU reseating policy. That is why I bring up the 30 minute rule because of past apprehension. When you look at the blocked seats from the beginning you realize what is going on as the heavy hitters and corporate America etc are being rewarded. There is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on as to the whole process and it does not have anything to do with the IRS. Supposedly it is the sales tax on the mandatory contribution. Everything is about the money. Those salaries we saw recently on another thread were most revealing.
There a so many folks I knew that don't go anymore. As you get older and look back at the many years of attending games (52 for me) and it really makes you feel bad. Once in a while I run into someone I used to see and they say they are fed up with the whole process and have given up their seats. Sure new and rich blood is coming in but it does not seem right to me.
Sorry for rambling so long.
Next time slap that mofo upside da head, ai na?
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It is a state requirement having to do with the tax deductibility of your required contribution. At least that's what I've been told.
I am still trying to reconcile this with the fact that faculty/staff (who aren't required to make a seat donation) still have to go through the same re-seating process. The DOR decision makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever and seems obstructive for no other purpose than to be obstructive.
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The only thing that's constant is change. The seat selection process may not be what it once was, but unless someone plans to go to Madison and plead to the state government, it's not changing back. If anything, it will probably become more frustrating before it becomes less so. This is the way it has to be done. Rather than griping about the same thing every year (we've been doing this what, 4 years now?) probably time to accept that it's not perfect, but Marquette does what they can to make it as close as legally possible to the old system.
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The only thing that's constant is change. The seat selection process may not be what it once was, but unless someone plans to go to Madison and plead to the state government, it's not changing back. If anything, it will probably become more frustrating before it becomes less so. This is the way it has to be done. Rather than griping about the same thing every year (we've been doing this what, 4 years now?) probably time to accept that it's not perfect, but Marquette does what they can to make it as close as legally possible to the old system.
Actually, if they wanted to make it exactly like the old system, they could. Remove the (partially) deductible seat "donations," and build the entire cost into the ticket. I'm guessing they'd lose some folks who are in it for the deduction...but they might also keep many more who are getting frustrated with the yearly roulette wheel.
Just a guess...but I'd bet '62 would happily give up the few bucks he gets back from the deduction if things went back to the way they were. I know I'd be happier.
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Actually, if they wanted to make it exactly like the old system, they could. Remove the (partially) deductible seat "donations," and build the entire cost into the ticket. I'm guessing they'd lose some folks who are in it for the deduction...but they might also keep many more who are getting frustrated with the yearly roulette wheel.
Just a guess...but I'd bet '62 would happily give up the few bucks he gets back from the deduction if things went back to the way they were. I know I'd be happier.
Except they really can't. If they did that, the prices on seats would go up significantly. They have to do it like this because it's the only way to keep the seat donations tax free. It may not mean much to individuals, but it means a lot to Marquette because that's the only way they can get the donations without them being taxed. I'd guess ticket prices would go up 50-60% if they did that, if not more.
So you'd give up the value of the deduction and also pay 150% or more for your tickets. Think that would make everyone happy? My guess is it'd be a quick way to cut the number of STHs in half.
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Except they really can't. If they did that, the prices on seats would go up significantly. They have to do it like this because it's the only way to keep the seat donations tax free. It may not mean much to individuals, but it means a lot to Marquette because that's the only way they can get the donations without them being taxed. I'd guess ticket prices would go up 50-60% if they did that, if not more.
So you'd give up the value of the deduction and also pay 150% or more for your tickets. Think that would make everyone happy? My guess is it'd be a quick way to cut the number of STHs in half.
In answer to your question about the value of the deduction - yes, I would gladly give it up. I already drive 9 hours round trip to the 10 or so home games I attend, so the cost of the tix (even with an increase) would be a drop in the bucket when combined with gas, food and usually a hotel room. In exchange for the increase in price, I'd get the certainty of knowing that I could still sit with the same crew I've been sitting among for years.
I know I am an outlier, but my relatively atypical STH story reveals a bigger truth - most people who have season tix do it for the team and the university, and the cost and/or tax deduction is a small factor compared to that allegiance.
My guess is that the number of STHs has already been declining because of the system that has been established...and that you overestimate how many STHs we would lose if we simplified the system.
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If we'd only give up the WI tax deduction, I am all for giving it up in exchange for doing reseating every two or three years... the WI tax rate is about 7%, an easy trade off in my opinion.
So for a thousand in "seat donations" I give up $70 bucks that I'd otherwise get back from WI? And in exchange I don't have to be available and log in to go through this idiot process each year... And, I can pick actual seats instead of mystery seats in a certain row? Sign me up MU ticket office.
The WI DOR butting into reseating processes gives you an idea of how stupid rules gets made and enforced in WI. Ignore the big stuff, give $ to political donors from slush funds (see WEDC), but get involved in reseating so that one cannot pick an exact seat. Ya, makes lots of sense WI DOR, lots of sense. Thanks!
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Marquette would have to make up the $1 million or so in revenue they get from seat donations. That would require doubling the price of the donation and rolling it into the price of tickets, possibly even more than doubling it as everyone involved would want a piece of the now untaxed revenue.
I get that people don't care much about the write off on their taxes, but it's not about you. It's about Marquette and $1M+ in tax free donations.
You don't have to trust me, call Joe True. There is no way this will be changed, and no way it is fiscally viable for Marquette to do so. These threads are a complete non-starter.
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I could be mistaken but I don't think the Badgers have ever gone to reseating. I think for many of the the better seats in FB and BB they charge some extra service charge but it is not a donation. I recall shortly after MU went to reseating there was some discussion by Badger fans about having to do this. I have never heard that it has happened. I guess because they are loaded, they don't have to worry about a Blue and Gold type Fund like MU does.
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I could be mistaken but I don't think the Badgers have ever gone to reseating. I think for many of the the better seats in FB and BB they charge some extra service charge but it is not a donation. I recall shortly after MU went to reseating there was some discussion by Badger fans about having to do this. I have never heard that it has happened. I guess because they are loaded, they don't have to worry about a Blue and Gold type Fund like MU does.
Pretty sure that's inaccurate. At least at the time, the Badgers had a system like this in place years before Marquette started it.
Neither UW-M nor GB charge seating donations, so they have a system like the old one.
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you can't keep up with donating enough/more to the blue n gold fund to keep up with the joneses to keep you ahead of the "ballgame". meaning, how much am i going to need to GIVE in order to keep my spot or move up the ladder to be in position just to keep the seats you had. i loved the 1st row/railing seats of the upper deck. they were all i wanted-perfect!
as it turns out, i would be paying for the seats coming or going. what's the difference if i get the write-off but pay less for the tix but more to the blue n gold(points) or don't get the write-off and just pay more for the tix that i really wanted and KEEP them for a few years?
i had season 4 tix for 35 years...it was fun until they did what they are doing. i know, they don't miss me one bit. now, i can go when i want or just watch them on my big screen with the surround turned on to live and it's quite a bit cheaper.
btw, dgies-i can relate to your experience-my brother-in-law and i inherited his dad's milwaukee package, packer season tix. we had all the milwaukee games-got to know all the guys over the years. it was a blast!
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Marquette would have to make up the $1 million or so in revenue they get from seat donations. That would require doubling the price of the donation and rolling it into the price of tickets, possibly even more than doubling it as everyone involved would want a piece of the now untaxed revenue.
I get that people don't care much about the write off on their taxes, but it's not about you. It's about Marquette and $1M+ in tax free donations.
You don't have to trust me, call Joe True. There is no way this will be changed, and no way it is fiscally viable for Marquette to do so. These threads are a complete non-starter.
Perhaps MU believes it is not fiscally viable to change. But I'm not sure how much longer it will be fiscally viable to keep the current system in place, and alienate (and ultimately lose) many long time season ticket holders.
If it really is about "we need X dollars to keep the athletic program going," why didn't ticket prices go down when the TV deal got better?
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Perhaps MU believes it is not fiscally viable to change. But I'm not sure how much longer it will be fiscally viable to keep the current system in place, and alienate (and ultimately lose) many long time season ticket holders.
If it really is about "we need X dollars to keep the athletic program going," why didn't ticket prices go down when the TV deal got better?
I would guess (not 100% on this) that the funds are earmarked differently by Marquette. The TV money may go to basketball upgrades like the improvements to the Al. The B&G fund money connected on seat donations I believe supports all the other sports, and as we add and expand lacrosse and other sports, those financial requirements will only go up.
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I'm sure if you drill down to the core of this issue, you'll somewhere find a dash school alum in Madison who said, "damn, it sucks that Becky's been doing it like this for years, so let's see if we can stick it to MU too."
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I'm sure if you drill down to the core of this issue, you'll somewhere find a dash school alum in Madison who said, "damn, it sucks that Becky's been doing it like this for years, so let's see if we can stick it to MU too."
Wasn't the governor a one-time MU student? Time to fire the whole Department of Revenue.
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Pretty sure that's inaccurate. At least at the time, the Badgers had a system like this in place years before Marquette started it.
Neither UW-M nor GB charge seating donations, so they have a system like the old one.
Hey Brew, how was Menards on Memorial Day. ;D
UWM does have three levels for seating donations. it's per account, not per seats.
As for UW football, they don't have a reseating process.
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It is a state requirement having to do with the tax deductibility of your required contribution. At least that's what I've been told.
The IRS determines what is a tax deductible donation. They made the rule that donations for reseating are 80% deductible. What got the State involved was the loss of sales tax. Tickets are subject to sales tax and donations are not. The State came in and said, if you can pick your exact seats or if the seats are for more than one year the per seat donation is really a ticket price and therefore are subject to sales tax. That is the reason you can now pick your row, but not your actual seat and it now must be done every year. Being entitled to your same seat for more than one year is considered a license and that would also be subject to sales tax. I not sure, if there would be any effect on donations above the mandatory seat donation. Assuming it does not it would be a significantly less headache, if they raised the ticket prices and got rid of the mandatory donation. However, it would cost the ticket holder money. Assuming you itemize you lose the $560 deduction on a $700 reseating donation and you would have to pay 5.6% sales tax on the $700. MU is already charging too much for the product they are delivering, so this change could result in another significant loss in season ticket holders.
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I know that for the seats in the first three rows of the middle sections on both sides are $875.00 season (~$46.00/ea) and the donation is $3600 (about $190/game additional). So I think the seats would be about $235 per game per seat without the donation. It's roughly $9,000.00 for two seats for the season.
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The IRS determines what is a tax deductible donation. They made the rule that donations for reseating are 80% deductible. What got the State involved was the loss of sales tax. Tickets are subject to sales tax and donations are not. The State came in and said, if you can pick your exact seats or if the seats are for more than one year the per seat donation is really a ticket price and therefore are subject to sales tax. That is the reason you can now pick your row, but not your actual seat and it now must be done every year. Being entitled to your same seat for more than one year is considered a license and that would also be subject to sales tax. I not sure, if there would be any effect on donations above the mandatory seat donation. Assuming it does not it would be a significantly less headache, if they raised the ticket prices and got rid of the mandatory donation. However, it would cost the ticket holder money. Assuming you itemize you lose the $560 deduction on a $700 reseating donation and you would have to pay 5.6% sales tax on the $700. MU is already charging too much for the product they are delivering, so this change could result in another significant loss in season ticket holders.
OK thank you for that explanation. That makes a great deal of sense.
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It's not just seating donations, but any donation made for which seating preferences are granted (i.e. priority point) are subject to the 80/20 rule. So all of those donations to Blue & Gold, the MU general fund, Hank's Raffle, etc. can only be deducted to 80% if you're accepting priority points. I'm sure there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people who don't take points and therefore deduct the full 100%.
What I don't get is why Wisconsin DOR made this determination that >1 year or exact seat was tantamount to an added ticket cost or seat license. It's not like this is a huge money-maker for WiDOR, and it's not like it's going to be a rampant problem if the rules are relaxed... after all, you only have two institutions in the state that do this. What really kills me is that WiDOR establishes these rules based on the fact that they've made a determination that something is taxable, yet they allow UW and MU to circumvent these same rules by selecting rows instead of actual seats. If this is taxable revenue, then get rid of the "select by row" loophole and collect the taxes; otherwise, get rid of the rule completely.
Like I said, it appears obstructive simply for the sake of being obstructive. There is absolutely no logic as to why re-seating should be done this way.
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The IRS determines what is a tax deductible donation. They made the rule that donations for reseating are 80% deductible. What got the State involved was the loss of sales tax. Tickets are subject to sales tax and donations are not. The State came in and said, if you can pick your exact seats or if the seats are for more than one year the per seat donation is really a ticket price and therefore are subject to sales tax. That is the reason you can now pick your row, but not your actual seat and it now must be done every year. Being entitled to your same seat for more than one year is considered a license and that would also be subject to sales tax. I not sure, if there would be any effect on donations above the mandatory seat donation. Assuming it does not it would be a significantly less headache, if they raised the ticket prices and got rid of the mandatory donation. However, it would cost the ticket holder money. Assuming you itemize you lose the $560 deduction on a $700 reseating donation and you would have to pay 5.6% sales tax on the $700. MU is already charging too much for the product they are delivering, so this change could result in another significant loss in season ticket holders.
To me, this sounds like MU could just fork over 5.6% of the donations to the state and be done with it. I assume I'm misunderstanding, so please (anyone) let me know what I'm missing.
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Hey Brew, how was Menards on Memorial Day. ;D
UWM does have three levels for seating donations. it's per account, not per seats.
As for UW football, they don't have a reseating process.
About what you'd expect. My original plan didn't require me to go that day, then Mrs brew made some suggestions that required a shopping trip.
How can they not have a reseating process? That can't be accurate or they couldn't ever add new STHs and seats would never improve.
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To me, this sounds like MU could just fork over 5.6% of the donations to the state and be done with it. I assume I'm misunderstanding, so please (anyone) let me know what I'm missing.
That's a fairly substantial figure. They raise about $4.5 million or so every year. 5.6% is $250,000.
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That's a fairly substantial figure. They raise about $4.5 million or so every year. 5.6% is $250,000.
Agreed, $250,000 per year is fairly substantial, but how much do you think it costs the athletic department each year to stage the reseating process? After what they'd save in every year reseating, and the amount of grief that STHs endure to the extent that some are lost over the annual process, the $250,000 probably gets whittled down to near nothing pretty fast. It may be worth it to just bite the bullet and pay the damn 5.6%.
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Agreed, $250,000 per year is fairly substantial, but how much do you think it costs the athletic department each year to stage the reseating process? After what they'd save in every year reseating, and the amount of grief that STHs endure to the extent that some are lost over the annual process, the $250,000 probably gets whittled down to near nothing pretty fast. It may be worth it to just bite the bullet and pay the damn 5.6%.
Just charge it to the STHs just like when you buy something at the store.
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Agreed, $250,000 per year is fairly substantial, but how much do you think it costs the athletic department each year to stage the reseating process?
Not very much. This stuff is very automated. Nowhere close to $250,000
After what they'd save in every year reseating, and the amount of grief that STHs endure to the extent that some are lost over the annual process, the $250,000 probably gets whittled down to near nothing pretty fast. It may be worth it to just bite the bullet and pay the damn 5.6%.
That is likely a higher figure but one that is difficult to quantify.
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I noticed MUPanther's response to Brewcity 77 stated the Badgers don't do reseating for football. I mentioned earlier that I did not think they did and Brewcity refuted it. They do have deductible donations required for a lot of the football seats. They call them PSD's. I don't see anything and when I search the net as to reseating I saw a 2012 article where Alvarez said they did not rule it out and he would be open to the idea of reseating to reward generous donors. I at this point have emailed some folks hoping to get an answer but if the Vadgers don't do reseating, then why do we have to? Lets pin down this question as I think it is important in this discussion.
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In answer to your question about the value of the deduction - yes, I would gladly give it up. I already drive 9 hours round trip to the 10 or so home games I attend
Chick and Glow, quit yer bitchin' ;D
That is impressive. Do you make time for Chili too each trip? ;)
What part or the hinterlands do you hail from?
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Chick and Glow, quit yer bitchin' ;D
That is impressive. Do you make time for Chili too each trip? ;)
What part or the hinterlands do you hail from?
Rochester, MN. The upcoming season will be our 18th year up here, with season tix the whole time.
I'd love to stop for chili, but the missus puts her foot down. :-\
We do frequent Sobelman's though....
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Rochester, MN. The upcoming season will be our 18th year up here, with season tix the whole time.
I'd love to stop for chili, but the missus puts her foot down. :-\
We do frequent Sobelman's though....
4.5 hours from Rochester? You are crusing.
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As a note, the inventory is showing well in advance of 30 clicks...
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Rochester, MN. The upcoming season will be our 18th year up here, with season tix the whole time.
I'd love to stop for chili, but the missus puts her foot down. :-\
We do frequent Sobelman's though....
he's franchising the sobleman name and product now. first one will ne in the west bend area i believe
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Rochester, MN. The upcoming season will be our 18th year up here, with season tix the whole time.
I'd love to stop for chili, but the missus puts her foot down. :-\
We do frequent Sobelman's though....
Ugh, that's a horrible drive, too. Especially that stretch between Rochester and LaCrosse during winter.
Is your wife from there or did she get a job at Mayo?
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Ugh, that's a horrible drive, too. Especially that stretch between Rochester and LaCrosse during winter.
Is your wife from there or did she get a job at Mayo?
You're right about the Rochester-LaCrosse stretch in winter. So flat that we often have snow blowing across I-90 and then giving a light glaze on the road.
My wife and I are both from the Milwaukee area (me from Menomonee Falls, wife from Greendale, met at MU). We both had great jobs in Milwaukee and planned to stay there for life. Then my firm got Mayo as a client and I did most of the work. When they made me an offer, I took it. It was a drop in pay, but Mayo is a very employee-friendly place to work and Rochester is a very family-friendly town. Our kids were 2 and 4 at the time, so my wife retired from her "career" job (dental hygienist), and has since gone into part-time work with the local school district.
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Rochester is a great city, though it's been about 22 years since I lived there... I used to tell people that I lived just a few blocks from where Jimmy Bakker and Lyndon LaRouche were strangely bedfellowing, but that morsel of interest lost its luster about two decades ago.
In any event, the very nature and frequency of your game day commute definitely earns you a cushy spot next to Tower in the MU (Road) Warriors Hall of Fame.
BTW - I don't blame you for taking a cut in pay... Mayo Comprehensive (or whatever the plan is named today) is probably worth half your salary, if not more.
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Has anyone selected their seats yet and have any insights?
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Has anyone selected their seats yet and have any insights?
No Scoopers in the 1% apparently.
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That's a fairly substantial figure. They raise about $4.5 million or so every year. 5.6% is $250,000.
I wonder how many STH would drop if they introduced a tax included price that was a 5.6% increase. I don't think it would be all that much, especially with a good communications strategy explaining the switch and resultant benefits.
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I wonder how many STH would drop if they introduced a tax included price that was a 5.6% increase. I don't think it would be all that much, especially with a good communications strategy explaining the switch and resultant benefits.
Doubt it would deter too many.
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Doubt it would deter too many.
Agreed. Probably way fewer people would be upset by that than by the annoyance of every year reseating where you can't even pick your exact seats.
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I was there for reseating last night. Pretty much the same deal with about the same seat availability as I was given last year. Best part of going in person is to spend a bit of time with a couple of players they have assigned during the time slot. Both Heldt and Amin were there. Great kids who are both eager to start trying tomorrow after a couple weeks off. Sacar said the new pieces should fit in nice and we should be tough in a conference where all but 2 of its best players decided to go NBA.
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One tip when looking at the inventory...when viewing the overall lower bowl, you will see red and green sections in total. However, if you click on an individual section, you can see that section in detail, row by row. So an overall section won't be red until all rows are red when looking at a wider view. A green section could be half red, however. So, click on the sections.
There is no 30 minute limit on these views.
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Rochester, MN. The upcoming season will be our 18th year up here, with season tix the whole time.
I'd love to stop for chili, but the missus puts her foot down. :-\
We do frequent Sobelman's though....
Once saw a HS hockey game between Mayo and Marshall. Rockin'. Must have been 2000 fans. It was very cool. Hockey is king in Mn.
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They did back off of that new 30 minute rule. Glad of that. I just found out from several via email that the Vadgers do not do reseating for fb or bb. That being the case why do we? They do call the extra amount a donation and have different levels like we do. Also posts on a Badger board mention the 80% rule for Federal and that Wisconsin uses when the the itemized deduction credit is calculated. Of course sales tax is another issue. Just wondering what is going on. WDOR to MU yes you must WDOR to Wisconsin don't worry about it. Or maybe WDOR to MU - well do what you want.
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They did back off of that new 30 minute rule. Glad of that. I just found out from several via email that the Vadgers do not do reseating for fb or bb. That being the case why do we? They do call the extra amount a donation and have different levels like we do. Also posts on a Badger board mention the 80% rule for Federal and that Wisconsin uses when the the itemized deduction credit is calculated. Of course sales tax is another issue. Just wondering what is going on. WDOR to MU yes you must WDOR to Wisconsin don't worry about it. Or maybe WDOR to MU - well do what you want.
A cynic might say that the only reason that remains is to drive donations to the B&G Fund. An optimist might say that this allows MU to adequately fund its athletic department, as the big State school doesn't need to do so because of it multiple funding sources.
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They did back off of that new 30 minute rule. Glad of that. I just found out from several via email that the Vadgers do not do reseating for fb or bb. That being the case why do we? They do call the extra amount a donation and have different levels like we do. Also posts on a Badger board mention the 80% rule for Federal and that Wisconsin uses when the the itemized deduction credit is calculated. Of course sales tax is another issue. Just wondering what is going on. WDOR to MU yes you must WDOR to Wisconsin don't worry about it. Or maybe WDOR to MU - well do what you want.
If that's true it's changed. I spoke to Joe True when they started this and Wisconsin was already on an annual reseating plan. Either that or he gave me faulty information.
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If that's true it's changed. I spoke to Joe True when they started this and Wisconsin was already on an annual reseating plan. Either that or he gave me faulty information.
My boss has had the same 4 seats at Camp Randall forever although I'm not sure how this plays into it but he is in 1 of the few sections that do not require a seat license but he does donate to the Gridiron club, I didn't realize that was tax deductible.
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If that's true it's changed. I spoke to Joe True when they started this and Wisconsin was already on an annual reseating plan. Either that or he gave me faulty information.
I think Joe had a need to say that. More folks have told me no re seating. Was with a long time UW hockey season ticket holder today. Never has had any re seating. Two emails yesterday from fb season ticketholders. No reseating for fb. One told me Alverez would like to reseat to reward big long time donors. So. What gives here!
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I renewed my seats today. I always go down to MU. Duane Wilson took me into the reseating room. Last year's MU/UW game was on the TV in the waiting room. They had cookies and bottled water to take. I did not make a reseating donation and lost 4 rows. Moved from 200 row M to 200 row Q. My reseating time was 4:18.
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I think Joe had a need to say that. More folks have told me no re seating. Was with a long time UW hockey season ticket holder today. Never has had any re seating. Two emails yesterday from fb season ticketholders. No reseating for fb. One told me Alverez would like to reseat to reward big long time donors. So. What gives here!
He wouldn't have knowingly lied. That would be extremely irresponsible. My guess is that he had bad info.
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A cynic might say that the only reason that remains is to drive donations to the B&G Fund. An optimist might say that this allows MU to adequately fund its athletic department, as the big State school doesn't need to do so because of it multiple funding sources.
one year i donated to both the dental school and the B & G. i thought i would be set for a while...i barely nudged the meter. i didn't want the 200. all i wanted was railing seats in the 400. i had them for one year, then moved back 2 rows, then 4 more...and now i've got front row seats...in front of my 80 incher
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80 incher? Dats quite da rocket, hey?
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Once saw a HS hockey game between Mayo and Marshall. Rockin'. Must have been 2000 fans. It was very cool. Hockey is king in Mn.
Nope, JB is king in MN.
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80 incher? Dats quite da rocket, hey?
mandatory purchase for my online CE classes. let's just call it a virtual classroom EiNeR ;) ;) nodnod
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I selected tonight at 7:30, first year in many that I didn't make a donation. My rank fell, my time moved back and my 4 seats moved up 4 rows. Also first year that I didn't go in person-asked Joe True to rep me and he got me on the phone, kept me informed, confirmed seats when done. Disappointed in the commotion, in the new seats, in the process in general.
Missed the fun of 'in person' selecting, but had a complication.
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I selected tonight at 7:30, first year in many that I didn't make a donation. My rank fell, my time moved back and my 4 seats moved up 4 rows. Also first year that I didn't go in person-asked Joe True to rep me and he got me on the phone, kept me informed, confirmed seats when done. Disappointed in the commotion, in the new seats, in the process in general.
Missed the fun of 'in person' selecting, but had a complication.
that, my friend, is what is commonly referred to as "THE GOLDEN RULE" if my memory serves me correctly, they started this back when the team was more consistently competitive. they are hedging on those circumstances returning...QUICKLY or this reseating plan will blow up in their faces. they are acknowledging some long time season tix holders while they are quietly sending them out the door. had you noticed that some of the tenured tix holders were showing not 40-45-50 + years anymore? yes there still are a few, but watch as the most tenured tix holder 15-20-25 becomes the norm...hmmmmmmm
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mandatory purchase for my online CE classes. let's just call it a virtual classroom EiNeR ;) ;) nodnod
If dat flies wit da IRS, more power to ya, bro, ai na?
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that, my friend, is what is commonly referred to as "THE GOLDEN RULE" if my memory serves me correctly, they started this back when the team was more consistently competitive. they are hedging on those circumstances returning...QUICKLY or this reseating plan will blow up in their faces. they are acknowledging some long time season tix holders while they are quietly sending them out the door. had you noticed that some of the tenured tix holders were showing not 40-45-50 + years anymore? yes there still are a few, but watch as the most tenured tix holder 15-20-25 becomes the norm...hmmmmmmm
Uh oh. I'll be at 22 years this season. Might need to get a sweater vest.... ;)
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I have a sweater vest.
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I have a sweater vest.
And no Scooper is surprised.
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If dat flies wit da IRS, more power to ya, bro, ai na?
dat is why it's in teal-just in case we have any undercover bean counters. easy fix though-just move the bad boy to the office...quickly ;D problem solved ;)
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Uh oh. I'll be at 22 years this season. Might need to get a sweater vest.... ;)
do ya think they'd let someone celebrating x years go out there with a blazin warrior shirt on? go out there with a sport coat or leisure suit-whatever ya have handy and then peal it off when ya get on the floor-holy schnikees that would be juvenile EIN'er? better yet, a warrior sweater vest-betcha that would set ya back a few rows enna so?
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do ya think they'd let someone celebrating x years go out there with a blazin warrior shirt on? go out there with a sport coat or leisure suit-whatever ya have handy and then peal it off when ya get on the floor-holy schnikees that would be juvenile EIN'er? better yet, a warrior sweater vest-betcha that would set ya back a few rows enna so?
Lol. Still got some old Warriors stuff. I just might apply to be season ticket holder of the game, after all!
A Willie Wampum shirt might send me back to the MECCA....
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In regard to long standing ticket holders , our family has had season tickets since 1966 , my Dad is a MU Grad. and Dental Grad. and contributes annually. Our family has followed very closely more so in the past as Dad is now 82 up until 15 years ago we followed everywhere and there in Atlanta . But this re-seating is getting to be a joke . I can assure you there is no preference for our family my biggest complaint is with all the technology they claim there is no way to show individual available tickets prior to your seating or even at seating they will only tell you the amount of available tickets in any one row . We are in the 86% of ticket holders again nothing special here to a family that has dedicated much to MU......
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But wait, I heard on Scoop that there wouldn't be any season ticket buyers?
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In regard to long standing ticket holders , our family has had season tickets since 1966 , my Dad is a MU Grad. and Dental Grad. and contributes annually. Our family has followed very closely more so in the past as Dad is now 82 up until 15 years ago we followed everywhere and there in Atlanta . But this re-seating is getting to be a joke . I can assure you there is no preference for our family my biggest complaint is with all the technology they claim there is no way to show individual available tickets prior to your seating or even at seating they will only tell you the amount of available tickets in any one row . We are in the 86% of ticket holders again nothing special here to a family that has dedicated much to MU......
To be clear, the tax law as written PROHIBITS MU from committing to a particular seat and still provide tax benefits on the contribution part. It is why you can choose specific seats only in the season ticket sections where no contribution is connected.
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Well I can tell you that among the long standing season ticket holders we know that number is decreasing and for the first time our family actually "asked" do we really want tickets . I know compared to other programs we are still "reasonable" . I guess most of this indecision comes from the increased costs but lately the team is average so you do have to admire Wisconsin even with the coaching change and what was said to be a down year , Gary Gard was able to get his guys to play hard and buy into the system , I feel the Henry experiment may have hurt us but maybe LSU feels the same with Simmons.
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To be clear, the tax law as written PROHIBITS MU from committing to a particular seat and still provide tax benefits or the contribution part. It is why you can choose specific seats only in the season ticket sections where no contribution is connected.
That requirement should also apply to the Wisconsin Badgers. Why doesn't it?
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I'm not a tax attorney 62. All these issues were laid out when MU was compelled to go to annual reseating 2-3 years back. I was just refreshing cet3717's memory.
Look, for all you folks who have had season tickets since before many here were born we applaud and thank you. MU came up with a reasonably fair way to acknowledge your loyalty via the point system. No one here enjoys redoing this every year but it is the system that is (and will be) in place. Some, like rocket, have chosen their TV sets instead. Season ticket sales are down and will continue to decline for reasons both related to this issue but even more importantly because of our finishing near the cellar multiple years in a row. And Wojo will either reverse that trend or get fired. That's the bottom line.
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JS can you educate me to the rule ......does it apply because Marquette is a privately funded University ? not a State University ? Or not being a "professional level " I find that to be an extremely weird tax law sorry I am only an Engineer not in the financial world ......Thanks ....
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JS can you educate me to the rule ......does it apply because Marquette is a privately funded University ? not a State University ? Or not being a "professional level " I find that to be an extremely weird tax law sorry I am only an Engineer not in the financial world ......Thanks ....
Sorry, I can't. I simply remember it being clearly articulated by the university when we went to annual reseating.
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I was part of the department when the points fund was put into practice. Had to help supervise the very first seat selection process. It wasn't pretty, lots of angry fans, but also plenty that knew this had to be done. I can't remember the year, but 1997, 98...somewhere in there.
At the time, we said we absolutely would not do seating yearly. Too disruptive, too much downside. Would remind fans \ customers every year of what they are paying for. The risk is a couple of bad years on the court and you really run into some trouble. I agree with those here that if there was a solution to do this every few years, that would be much more ideal.
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Thank you JS I am sorry I guess we did not pay that much attention to the re-seating process ......appreciate your knowledge.
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I was part of the department when the points fund was put into practice. Had to help supervise the very first seat selection process. It wasn't pretty, lots of angry fans, but also plenty that knew this had to be done. I can't remember the year, but 1997, 98...somewhere in there.
At the time, we said we absolutely would not do seating yearly. Too disruptive, too much downside. Would remind fans \ customers every year of what they are paying for. The risk is a couple of bad years on the court and you really run into some trouble. I agree with those here that if there was a solution to do this every few years, that would be much more ideal.
Of course. The university hates it too.
And back on chicos most important point. We're friends with some serious (I mean serious) contributors to MU Athletics. Guys that write 6 and 7 figure checks have the absolute right to sit in dynamite seats. We missed out on being guests of one of those high rollers last year when we were out in Vegas. Just bad luck. Would love to sit in those seats some day.
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Thank you JS I am sorry I guess we did not pay that much attention to the re-seating process ......appreciate your knowledge.
Your welcome, my friend. Hope you get great seats of your choosing.
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Of course. The university hates it too.
Not all universities are doing this yearly with similar programs...right?
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In regard to long standing ticket holders , our family has had season tickets since 1966 , my Dad is a MU Grad. and Dental Grad. and contributes annually. Our family has followed very closely more so in the past as Dad is now 82 up until 15 years ago we followed everywhere and there in Atlanta . But this re-seating is getting to be a joke . I can assure you there is no preference for our family my biggest complaint is with all the technology they claim there is no way to show individual available tickets prior to your seating or even at seating they will only tell you the amount of available tickets in any one row . We are in the 86% of ticket holders again nothing special here to a family that has dedicated much to MU......
hey! not to change the subject, but my dad just turned 82 and is a 1959 dental school grad. everyone knows him by his first and middle initials A.J. i know one of his classmates was known as "jake"
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Not all universities are doing this yearly with similar programs...right?
I think this is a crazy WI thing truthfully. I believe I recall some 'clarifying' letter coming to MU that really effed things up.
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Rocket my Dad graduated in 59" sorry his initials are H.Z.
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Thanks JS ...... yes I went today @ 9:58am and we got the same seats as every year sec. 202 row M great seats but I would love to get close to the aisle it would be easier on Dad he needs a cane , I know the same row we sit in , seats 1-4 are owned by a bar and most games the tickets go unused but I am sure the establishment donates well ....
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Thanks JS ...... yes I went today @ 9:58am and we got the same seats as every year sec. 202 row M great seats but I would love to get close to the aisle it would be easier on Dad he needs a cane , I know the same row we sit in , seats 1-4 are owned by a bar and most games the tickets go unused but I am sure the establishment donates well ....
How do you know you got the same seats. MU does not verify actual seats until after reseating is complete (via a separate e-mail) in past years.
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MU really needs to get this figured out. The current process just isn't good business. They should have an auto-renew option for a 2 or 3 year period and would then retain a lot more season ticket holders. T
The less thought and more seamless this process is, the better for MU ticket renews. The current process is just an invitation for people to really think about renewing. Plus, it seems to always come during a vacation time for me, which adds in another layer of hassle. I could see reseating every three years. I actually end up donating less with the reseating being each year, and each year think about not renewing. If is was just send in a check and renew, I wouldn't think twice about it. Plus, you'd get to know the people around you... it is not longer a collegial atmosphere where you get to know people some over the years.
There are at least three views in this thread on why MU HAS to do it this way and has NO CHOICE:
(1) That the donation portion is otherwise income to the school (that would be a big reason why it is this mess, but maybe not if the net income is minimal... I do not know enough about non-profit law or how much of the expenses to offset income if that is the case), (2) We would lose the WI tax donation on the "donation" portion (if so, so what, get rid of the process), (3) We'd have to pay sales tax on the donation portion (again, if that is the concern, get rid of this process).
Some seem to think UW doesn't do reseating and has some sort of "donation" for seats... so what is different about MU that makes us do this process? I hope they get it figured out, or this process is an invitation to not renew.
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Lucky for Badger fans. They don't have to re seat. Please leave this post in the thread. Thanks. As to tax law, yes i am a CPA whose specialty is tax law. The 80% rule and the itemized deduction credit for Wisconsin are in place and are not the problem. Bilsu made this comment correctly earlier. It is the sales tax issue. I just would like to have the correspondence with our guys be similar to what they told the UW athletic department. That is my smoke and mirrors as to what is really going on.
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That's a fairly substantial figure. They raise about $4.5 million or so every year. 5.6% is $250,000.
is the $250k really that substantial when you put it into perspective with the unintended consequences? unless they can put out a top 10-20 team dang near every year, they may be losing more than that through the process. think about it-if they lose x number of long time season ticket holders, how much in donations are they losing as the incentive is gone? i used to try to donate $1k per year to the blue n gold and a few hundred to the dental school just to try to keep up in the points. then there's the cost of the tickets and the license. plus i'm still paying for my 2 kids MU education at about $1800/month. it's too bad they don't give you points for children who've attended MU. anyway, i'm sure, well i know there are many who donate way way more than my $1k and losing some of those will start to add up pretty fast.
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As the number of season ticket holders decrease they may not lose that much in reseating donations, because the highest donation level seats are filled by someone moving down as another higher season ticket holder drops out. The lower bowl will always be sold out.
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As the number of season ticket holders decrease they may not lose that much in reseating donations, because the highest donation level seats are filled by someone moving down as another higher season ticket holder drops out. The lower bowl will always be sold out.
but you are assuming that their donations are restricted to the seat license or fee or whatever it's called. you also have the random donations to the blue n gold and to the university and it's schools to increase their standing, maintaining or increasing their positions every year just so they have a chance to keep their seats where they are. those aren't fixed numbers, the seat fees are.
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It blows my mind that this is that hard. A lot of very smart people should be able to figure this out, unless we are truly saying this is so f'd that this is the best that can be done.
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Since UW does not have to do this every year, or at least they are guaranteed their same seats each year if they make the appropriate donation, there can really only be a few explanations.
1. There is something subtly different between UW and MU's season ticket programs that we aren't seeing.
2. Marquette is intentionally making this process more difficult for some reason.
3. State law, or enforcement of the law, differs between UW and MU.
None of these explanations make much sense to me.
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I just would like to have the correspondence with our guys be similar to what they told the UW athletic department. That is my smoke and mirrors as to what is really going on.
Ding ding ding.
Effin badger alum in the DOR. They've rigged this, and are laughing their arses off at us.
Think about it.
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Ding ding ding.
Effin badger alum in the DOR. They've rigged this, and are laughing their arses off at us.
Think about it.
Don't we have an alum that trumps the DOR? Just sayin....
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I just sent a clarification request to the WDOR. If and when I get a response I will share it with the board. I may never get a response so I am not holding my breath. Here are the Badgers current fb donations amounts form their website:
Each spring season ticket holders have the opportunity to request additional season tickets as well as request seat location changes. Opportunities for additional seats or location changes come from existing available season ticket inventory as well from attrition of current season ticket holders. With this factor in mind, exact available seat locations are not known until after the order deadline of April 30.
As you consider requests for either additional season ticket or a seat change, please note the recommended minimum annual contributions for the opportunity to order seats in certain sections:
Sections E, T and FF - $400 each
Sections D, F, S, U, EE and GG - $300 each
Sections C, G, R, V, DD and HH - $200 each
Sections B, H, Q, W, CC and II - $100 each
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If you purchase seats that require a seat license, in addition to the tax break, do you also receive additional points in your account?? I mean it is a donation...Depending on one's status, I'd think that additional benefit might make it worth it.
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Obama wanted to get rid of the 80% tax break on 'seat fees'... had it in the budget a year and a half ago (http://latenighthoops.com/university-minnesota-vs-president-obama/#.V1Rbg9krK00)
Wonder what the discussion(s) was on it, if anything.. or if the idea of removing the tax berak just quietly disappeared?
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If you purchase seats that require a seat license, in addition to the tax break, do you also receive additional points in your account?? I mean it is a donation...Depending on one's status, I'd think that additional benefit might make it worth it.
Yes, you gain points commensurate with the portion that is a donation.
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I just sent a clarification request to the WDOR. If and when I get a response I will share it with the board. I may never get a response so I am not holding my breath. Here are the Badgers current fb donations amounts form their website:
Each spring season ticket holders have the opportunity to request additional season tickets as well as request seat location changes. Opportunities for additional seats or location changes come from existing available season ticket inventory as well from attrition of current season ticket holders. With this factor in mind, exact available seat locations are not known until after the order deadline of April 30.
As you consider requests for either additional season ticket or a seat change, please note the recommended minimum annual contributions for the opportunity to order seats in certain sections: (ftp://opportunity to order seats in certain sections:)Sections E, T and FF - $400 each
Sections D, F, S, U, EE and GG - $300 each
Sections C, G, R, V, DD and HH - $200 each
Sections B, H, Q, W, CC and II - $100 each
In reading this it says the donation level is for the opportunity to order tickets at that level. I am not sure, but it seems you have to make the donation first and may not get tickets. In MU's case you make the donation, if you get the tickets. That is a big difference. Also you have to make the recommended donation by April 30th, before you know what seats are available.
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Bilsu, I possible confused you with the portion of the web site I showed. I am including the entire website below.
I believe to be considered for fb season tickets which are in high demand, you must at the minimum become a donor. Then you make the request and are put on a list. That has nothing to do with the issue of reseating and the required donations. Folks I know send their money in just as we do with the bundled ticket price and donation.
The other situation they reference is the folks who are season ticket holders and want to add to them. That is why there is the reminder them of the seat donation in various areas if they are lucky enough to be able to obtain extra season ticket seats.
I have been told there are about 65,000 season ticket fb seats. A major portion of them have a donation attached to it just like MU. I know that it is easier to add to your number of seats then to become a new season ticket holder but that means moving generally to a different row and section when someone vacates that area.
Here is the website.
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/2015/8/21/GEN_20140101576.aspx
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I know someone who has football tickets in Y2, specifically because there is no seat donation. Might have to get on a list to get tickets in those other sections.
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With this factor in mind, exact available seat locations are not known until after the order deadline of April 30.
This seems to be the key to me, UW football ticket holders don't get to pick their seats either. That is ultimately the issue, if you pick your exact seats then the "donation" is considered part of the ticket price, subject to sales tax and not tax deductible.
If you want to avoid re-seating and just let MU pick your seats for you every year, and put down your preferences for the same location, you can.
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So my friend the UW basketball ticket holder has had the same seats for years. Is that simply because, while he doesn't "pick" those seats, UW just gives them to him when he makes the contribution required?
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So my friend the UW basketball ticket holder has had the same seats for years. Is that simply because, while he doesn't "pick" those seats, UW just gives them to him when he makes the contribution required?
Why does it not surprise me in the least that you have a friend that likes UW?? Probably the least surptrising revelation ever on these boards. Just sayin'.
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Why does it not surprise me in the least that you have a friend that likes UW?? Probably the least surptrising revelation ever on these boards. Just sayin'.
I have mentioned him a number of times. Invites me to the Marquette game at the Kohl Center every other year, but unfortunately couldn't go this year.
I guess you think I should base my friendships on the college basketball team they root for. That's sad.
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So my friend the UW basketball ticket holder has had the same seats for years. Is that simply because, while he doesn't "pick" those seats, UW just gives them to him when he makes the contribution required?
From the sound of things, UW is paying to get into a section, then fans are assigned any available seat in said section. Once you have your seat, you keep it indefinitely.
So the question becomes, would you rather keep the same seats permanently with no hope of improvement without jumping price brackets, or have annual reseating that allows for improving your seats over time?
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So my friend the UW basketball ticket holder has had the same seats for years. Is that simply because, while he doesn't "pick" those seats, UW just gives them to him when he makes the contribution required?
I don't know anything about the UW process other than what was linked here. However, I haven't been able to do the MU reseating the past few years due to travel, so I've just picked auto-select with a preference for the same seats, and I've gotten the same seats every time.
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How is everyone doing getting their choices?
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I don't know anything about the UW process other than what was linked here. However, I haven't been able to do the MU reseating the past few years due to travel, so I've just picked auto-select with a preference for the same seats, and I've gotten the same seats every time.
you sir must be a very beneficent man-good on you! i must not have given enough as the amounts i did give kept me sliding backward. oh well.
another issue might have been that some of those from the bowl area wanted to continue to get season tix but it might have been getting a little out of their range? so they moved up with the hopes that eventually they could move back down? just some thoughts
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I don't know anything about the UW process other than what was linked here. However, I haven't been able to do the MU reseating the past few years due to travel, so I've just picked auto-select with a preference for the same seats, and I've gotten the same seats every time.
That is real interesting observation. So people are going through this simply because they choose to.
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I found that there was more available than last year or the year before. Unfortunately, that means fewer season ticket holders, unless Rocket's post is indicative of people moving up or into cheaper seats.
One other way that the constant reseating hurts MU is that one can decide to go to cheaper seats or fewer seats for a year to two and have no problem with upgrading each year.
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Everything goes back a long time since this is my 52nd year of season tickets. We sat in the upper portion of section 213 for many years. We did have some sort of reseating but the only thing that ever happened was a switch of four seats in our row. This was before that section required a higher donation then the sections not between the baskets. One year everyone in the top 10 rows was displaced. We found section 202 which was not between the baskets but lower to the court. That worked fine for probably five or six years again getting to know the folks near us. Then suddenly things changed rapidly. I keep donating extra every year but where was everybody. Gone to a corporation whose four seats were only filled half the time, gone to a Bradley center row invaded by lots of folks that did not like MU and finally by folks that sat next to us every game whom I had no clue who they were because it changed every game. Where were all our friends? They were pushed up maybe 15 rows. All in one year. Many of those have now left. I hung in there and then it was my turn. The only possibility were seats much father from center court and guaranteed to give you a stiff neck. MU bench moving in front of this had something to do with this. Off we go to section 212 across the way. Each year my seats are gone but as of now I think I am holding my own there. I do contribute extra every year.
I am sure that if I were 110 years old and had those long held seats in the wonderful six sections, I would not have a complaint. I know some of those seats are being used by the children of deceased parents whose names are on their tickets. I am aware of a couple who use the tickets of a friend who passed away 15 years ago. Such is life in the big city. Long live reseating!
We know many folks that have given up their seats. I guess youth and wealth need to be served.
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Goo makes a good point- I had to move down in the pecking order years ago when I went from 2 to 4 seats-and have had 4 seats ever since Marge handled tickets. Now I could have had 1 seat for 25 years and decided to get 4 this year with no loss of ranking-all that additional investment and donation is irrelevant.
MU62 I empathize with your lament. I, too, have suffered the corporate seatmates with different 'clients' (if anyone) in the seats every time; the drunken UW-Madison fans at the MU-UW game, the clueless, distracted, uninterested, loud-talking employees, etc. Many of my friends and classmates have 'given up' their tickets for various reasons. And certainly some simply spend the winter months in a different climate, but many have lost interest due to constant reseating, changing coaches and failure to match the success of Marquette in the not so distant past. Sigh.
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Everything goes back a long time since this is my 52nd year of season tickets. We sat in the upper portion of section 213 for many years. We did have some sort of reseating but the only thing that ever happened was a switch of four seats in our row. This was before that section required a higher donation then the sections not between the baskets. One year everyone in the top 10 rows was displaced. We found section 202 which was not between the baskets but lower to the court. That worked fine for probably five or six years again getting to know the folks near us. Then suddenly things changed rapidly. I keep donating extra every year but where was everybody. Gone to a corporation whose four seats were only filled half the time, gone to a Bradley center row invaded by lots of folks that did not like MU and finally by folks that sat next to us every game whom I had no clue who they were because it changed every game. Where were all our friends? They were pushed up maybe 15 rows. All in one year. Many of those have now left. I hung in there and then it was my turn. The only possibility were seats much father from center court and guaranteed to give you a stiff neck. MU bench moving in front of this had something to do with this. Off we go to section 212 across the way. Each year my seats are gone but as of now I think I am holding my own there. I do contribute extra every year.
I am sure that if I were 110 years old and had those long held seats in the wonderful six sections, I would not have a complaint. I know some of those seats are being used by the children of deceased parents whose names are on their tickets. I am aware of a couple who use the tickets of a friend who passed away 15 years ago. Such is life in the big city. Long live reseating!
We know many folks that have given up their seats. I guess youth and wealth need to be served.
i think today, when they honor long time season ticket holders, it is a real honor. as i'm reading 62's post, i'm thinking, look at his perseverance. he could have said "chuck it" a long time ago. this is how they(MU) respects my loyalty to them? most businesses who treat their tenured customers this way, don't have them anymore. so i guess, MU b-ball ain't "most businesses". they are corporate 'merica that many dislike.
as an inheritor of packer season tix thru my bro in law, we were the milwaukee county stadium people who endured some real stink bomb years. but we did get to know all the guys around us. when they moved all their games to lambeau, we got 1 preseason and 2 regular games(gold package). many times the reg. games were a thursday or sunday night...wtf? that kills 2 days(game day and the next) back in my younger, foolish times. sometimes 3 if it was a really "good game". but then again, they have a 30 or 40 year waiting list. MU? not so much
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Has this devolved into comparing MU and Green Bay? Wow.
Does anybody really think MU wants to reseat every year?
Does anybody ready think MU wants to coddle to those that cannot operate a computer?
Does anybody really think MU aims to alienate long time fans?
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I found that I moved up 5 rows. What does that mean? I take it that people believe MU will be down again. Wojo better bring a tournament team soon or reseating or not MU will begin to look like DePaul.
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This might come in handy for some folks:
http://www.gomarquette.com/bluegold-fund/bgf-priority-point-system.html
I agree with those who have suggested that season ticket sales seem to be down significantly again this year. I'll stick with my prediction from last winter that we fall below the 10,000 threshold once students make their $99 purchases in September.
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I am curious, I see on two seats in the online reseating page they are listed as "grandfathered".
What does that mean? I thought everyone had to go through reseating?
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Everything goes back a long time since this is my 52nd year of season tickets. We sat in the upper portion of section 213 for many years. We did have some sort of reseating but the only thing that ever happened was a switch of four seats in our row. This was before that section required a higher donation then the sections not between the baskets. One year everyone in the top 10 rows was displaced. We found section 202 which was not between the baskets but lower to the court. That worked fine for probably five or six years again getting to know the folks near us. Then suddenly things changed rapidly. I keep donating extra every year but where was everybody. Gone to a corporation whose four seats were only filled half the time, gone to a Bradley center row invaded by lots of folks that did not like MU and finally by folks that sat next to us every game whom I had no clue who they were because it changed every game. Where were all our friends? They were pushed up maybe 15 rows. All in one year. Many of those have now left. I hung in there and then it was my turn. The only possibility were seats much father from center court and guaranteed to give you a stiff neck. MU bench moving in front of this had something to do with this. Off we go to section 212 across the way. Each year my seats are gone but as of now I think I am holding my own there. I do contribute extra every year.
I am sure that if I were 110 years old and had those long held seats in the wonderful six sections, I would not have a complaint. I know some of those seats are being used by the children of deceased parents whose names are on their tickets. I am aware of a couple who use the tickets of a friend who passed away 15 years ago. Such is life in the big city. Long live reseating!
We know many folks that have given up their seats. I guess youth and wealth need to be served.
Dude, if ya were 110 years old, ya ain't got no complaints and even if ya did, no one would listen, ai na?
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Nope, JB is king in MN.
So.... that would make him.... Prince's... father?
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So.... that would make him.... Prince's... father?
Damn.
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I found that I moved up 5 rows. What does that mean? I take it that people believe MU will be down again. Wojo better bring a tournament team soon or reseating or not MU will begin to look like DePaul.
And why not drop to fewer tickets when the team is down. The system as currently set up lets one drop down to fewer tickets for any given year, and go back up to 4 seats any year when the team is better and get seats as good as if you had kept 4 seats all along.
Those of us who get the same number of tickets year to year, despite the team being down and tickets going unused at times because of it, maybe making a mistake. I doubt a lot of people will be rushing to get my tickets this year when I can't make it. There is no bonus for loyalty.
Points should be tied to each ticket or reduced if you go down in number and then up... or just stop this annual reseating!
This will be my last post on the flawed annual reseating, sorry if I'm beating a dead horse.
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T~2:00:00 for me here and holy crap, are there a heckuvalot more seats available than there were last year at the same time. Lower bowl on the sidelines (below the concourse) was completely gone at this point last year, but there's still room in 226 right now... sure, they'll be gone by the time I pick, but my PP total hasn't increased that much that I'm only two hours away from sitting a few rows behind RA Smith.
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My time slot kicked off Saturday morning. I was out of town and in a location where I wasn't able to use the internet to make my selection. My ranking moved up slightly from last season. I gave my proxy to my business partner, who likes to go to the Al, and was selecting his own seats not too much later.
Last season I had what I considered perfect seats for my taste. Section 215, on the aisle, row N. I was fairly confident that I would be able to get the same seats, since I had more points/better ranking. Nope. I could've moved into row N, but I lost the aisle. So he used his best judgment and moved me three rows closer, but one section over (216) but still on the aisle.
So riddle me this: why can they tell you that I will be on the aisle, but they supposedly can't tell you specific seats? I pretty much know that I will be in row K seats 1-2, or my partner went rogue on me and put me on the far aisle.
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T~2:00:00 for me here and holy crap, are there a heckuvalot more seats available than there were last year at the same time. Lower bowl on the sidelines (below the concourse) was completely gone at this point last year, but there's still room in 226 right now... sure, they'll be gone by the time I pick, but my PP total hasn't increased that much that I'm only two hours away from sitting a few rows behind RA Smith.
You should be pretty good. Our priority dropped pretty significantly this year because of more modest points and our timing slid by 2 full days but we still actually slightly improved our seats just half an hour ago. The numbers are not looking very good. Still numerous lower bowl seats between the 2 baselines. Upper bowl center as low as E. And some darn good railing $275ers.
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You should be pretty good. Our priority dropped pretty significantly this year because of more modest points and our timing slid by 2 full days but we still actually slightly improved our seats just half an hour ago. The numbers are not looking very good. Still numerous lower bowl seats between the 2 baselines. Upper bowl center as low as E. And some darn good railing $275ers.
Meh... I'll probably end up doing what I've done the past 3-4 reseatings... tell my wife how we could have had awesome seats in this section or that if we didn't have three kids (who all want to go to the games now) and end up getting our same seats in the slums donation-free area upstairs.
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Reseating is all about meeting the letter of the law — not necessarily the spirit of it.
Marquette would just as soon make fans happy and allow everyone to choose their seats. There are a couple caveats to this: 1) There have to be some ground rules about who's allowed to choose first (hence the convoluted, multi-tiered points system); And 2) For a number of apparently influential boosters, it's critical that part of their season ticket price counts as a tax-deductible donation to the Blue & Gold fund.
Point 2 is where the IRS comes in. Don't ask me to cite the applicable tax code. But whether or not you can specifically choose your seats has something to do with your eligibility for a deduction. And the whole "state your preferences, and we'll see what we can do but can't promise anything" somehow meets the requirements of the IRS when it comes to Point 2.
What's unfortunate about both of the above points is that they discourage season ticket holders — by making the whole process highly complex and unpredictable. I find the reseating process a source of stress each spring, with the result that I'm more relieved than excited when it's over. Not the best way to kick off a new season, if you ask me.
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Meh... I'll probably end up doing what I've done the past 3-4 reseatings... tell my wife how we could have had awesome seats in this section or that if we didn't have three kids (who all want to go to the games now) and end up getting our same seats in the slums donation-free area upstairs.
Do you guys do the $125s?
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Do you guys do the $125s?
Oh, hell no... do I look like some degenerate who shops exclusively out of the bargain bins? We do the $275's.*
* (because all the good $125's are already gone by the time our appt. comes up)
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Well, there's some darn good ones Benny. Had we been pushed a few rows back in Sec 400 I would have strongly pushed for 'em.
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Point 2 is where the IRS comes in. Don't ask me to cite the applicable tax code. But whether or not you can specifically choose your seats has something to do with your eligibility for a deduction. And the whole "state your preferences, and we'll see what we can do but can't promise anything" somehow meets the requirements of the IRS when it comes to Point 2.
You don't want to cite it because it doesn't exist. You are incorrect here.
From IRS Publication 526 (2015 Returns):
"Example 1. You pay $300 a year for membership
in a university's athletic scholarship program.
The only benefit of membership is that
you have the right to buy one season ticket for a
seat in a designated area of the stadium at the
university's home football games. You can deduct
$240 (80% of $300) as a charitable contribution."
You can pick your seat and maintain the 80% deduction on the gift. The donation gives you the right to buy a ticket in a certain area. That's it. It's 80% deductible.
The price you pay for the tickets - not the 'donation' - is not deductible. You may select a particular seat to your liking within the section you 'donated into'.
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You don't want to cite it because it doesn't exist. You are incorrect here.
From IRS Publication 526 (2015 Returns):
"Example 1. You pay $300 a year for membership
in a university's athletic scholarship program.
The only benefit of membership is that
you have the right to buy one season ticket for a
seat in a designated area of the stadium at the
university's home football games. You can deduct
$240 (80% of $300) as a charitable contribution."
You can pick your seat and maintain the 80% deduction on the gift. The donation gives you the right to buy a ticket in a certain area. That's it. It's 80% deductible.
The price you pay for the tickets - not the 'donation' - is not deductible. You may select a particular seat to your liking within the section you 'donated into'.
That's where I'd say Marquette is following the letter of the law.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm buying season tickets to watch MU's home basketball games for the 2016-17. I'm not making a voluntary donation to the Blue & Gold fund.
You can't get season tickets without making the donation — so the true price is, in effect, the price of the tickets plus the donation. They can call it a donation. They can call it whatever they want. Ultimately, it's part of the price of being a season ticket holder.
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Well, there's some darn good ones Benny. Had we been pushed a few rows back in Sec 400 I would have strongly pushed for 'em.
Actually, I just got a call from my wife along the lines of "the kids are really invested in the games now and I think they enjoyed the tournament in Orlando so much more because we were sitting so close to the court as opposed to in the upper deck at the BC... so I think we should move downstairs even if it costs more."
Now, I think any one of us here could speculate as to the real reason as to why the kids enjoyed the games in Orlando (hint: it wasn't the late starts), but I think she has a point, so instead examining the substance of the argument, I think I'm going to draw the line at simply recognizing its merits and not question my wife at all because dammit, she is so damn intelligent and always right.
Now, Admiral Ackbar may very well be screaming at me right now... but even if he was, he's light years away, so his warning would pertain to events occurring several years back... perhaps he was referring the first time I took my wife to a MU game (in which case, the warning might have been for her, not me), but regardless, it looks like Benny's sweater vest is about to lose its privilege of irony.
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I'm up in two hours. Not sure if I'll be grabbing tickets this year. After the past few season with all my friends disappearing or being moved games have become less fun. Guess I'll see what's available then make a decision
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That's where I'd say Marquette is following the letter of the law.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm buying season tickets to watch MU's home basketball games for the 2016-17. I'm not making a voluntary donation to the Blue & Gold fund.
You can't get season tickets without making the donation — so the true price is, in effect, the price of the tickets plus the donation. They can call it a donation. They can call it whatever they want. Ultimately, it's part of the price of being a season ticket holder.
Not really - because the 80% tax deduction on the donation piece is real.
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Anyone else wish their was a specific aisle preference option? Makes a big difference in 208.
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I think the big thing you're all forgetting is that Marquette benefits greatly by splitting the ticket cost into ticket price plus donations. I believe MU has to split the ticket price with the Bradley Center or in some cases the opponent, but keeps 100% of the "donation". That's why MU needs to keep it as a donation. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this...
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...and they're able to generate more annual donations by doing reseating more frequently. I'll bet the annual reseating schedule prompts more people to give each year in order to up the points.
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...and they're able to generate more annual donations by doing reseating more frequently. I'll bet the annual reseating schedule prompts more people to give each year in order to up the points.
You really think Marquette would willingly create a system that benefits them? I'm aghast at this notion!
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I get the advantages. I just see the "ticket + donation" as semantics.
A donation is something you give as a gift, voluntarily without payment in return. That is absolutely NOT how the renewal process works. If you want season tickets to Marquette men's basketball home games, the "donation" to the Blue & Gold fund is mandatory. And you do get something of great value in return for it. It's tax accounting razzle-dazzle — voluntary only in the sense that nobody's forcing you to get season tickets.
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I get the advantages. I just see the "ticket + donation" as semantics.
A donation is something you give as a gift, voluntarily without payment in return. That is absolutely NOT how the renewal process works. If you want season tickets to Marquette men's basketball home games, the "donation" to the Blue & Gold fund is mandatory. And you do get something of great value in return for it. It's tax accounting razzle-dazzle — voluntary only in the sense that nobody's forcing you to get season tickets.
Yes were all aware of exactly what it is. It's a "instead of using it for taxes to fund some war, or drug raid, give us the money" ticket.
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An hour away from picking and disappointed to see my best case scenario now is moving 5 rows back. The only time my seats have improved in the past 5 years was when I made the move from upstairs to downstairs. How I keep getting more points and higher in the percentile with bigger and bigger donations only to move further and further from the court is beyond me.
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...and they're able to generate more annual donations by doing reseating more frequently. I'll bet the annual reseating schedule prompts more people to give each year in order to up the points.
I wondered about this for myself. My thought process on this is if I was getting the seats for two years, it would be more of an incentive to donate more. However, I like the idea I am not stuck with the seats for two years, if I do not like them. This year I did not donate extra for the first time in many years, because I figured I would not drop too much. I am thinking I might be better served not donating every year, but every other year sign up for the $3,600 level donation seats. Essentially making a $7,200 donation every other year and a $1,400 donation the years in between. Seems like a better plan than donating $3,000 plus every year and then having to pay the seat donation.
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For future reference and bench-marking:
Benny has 60 priority points. I lost the little slip of paper with my rank on it but I think it was something in the neighborhood of 1700-1800 (I'll update if I find it).
Overall, the best seats available (closest to court) were 101-JJ (two seats) or 206-D (four). The "Center Court" sections in the lower bowl (227, 200, 201, 213-215) only had single tickets available. The "Goal Lines" in the lower bowl (202, 212, 216, 226) generally had 2 or 4 together in Rows W-Z (except 216 which was singles only). Looking at each group of sections (by similar view of the court):
Lower Corners (203-205, 209-211, 217-219):
218 - E (2); 218 - J (4)
Lower End Zones (206-208):
208 - C (2); 208 - D (4)
Upper Centers (443-401, 421-423):
443 - A (2); 401/443 - B (4); 400/422 - G (4)
$125's (408-414):
409/411 - C (2); 411 - C (4)
All other upper sections generally had availability in Row A.
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For future reference and bench-marking:
Benny has 60 priority points. I lost the little slip of paper with my rank on it but I think it was something in the neighborhood of 1700-1800 (I'll update if I find it).
Overall, the best seats available (closest to court) were 101-JJ (two seats) or 206-D (four). The "Center Court" sections in the lower bowl (227, 200, 201, 213-215) only had single tickets available. The "Goal Lines" in the lower bowl (202, 212, 216, 226) generally had 2 or 4 together in Rows W-Z (except 216 which was singles only). Looking at each group of sections (by similar view of the court):
Lower Corners (203-205, 209-211, 217-219):
218 - E (2); 218 - J (4)
Lower End Zones (206-208):
208 - C (2); 208 - D (4)
Upper Centers (443-401, 421-423):
443 - A (2); 401/443 - B (4); 400/422 - G (4)
$125's (408-414):
409/411 - C (2); 411 - C (4)
All other upper sections generally had availability in Row A.
You may want to get that checked. I have44 points and I'm 1830 in rank
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Has this devolved into comparing MU and Green Bay? Wow.
Does anybody really think MU wants to reseat every year?
Does anybody ready think MU wants to coddle to those that cannot operate a computer?
Does anybody really think MU aims to alienate long time fans?
come on man-the short answer is no! my mistake for not adding the "just sayin"
but, to answer your all of your questions with one answer- i really don't think they care. if they did, could they have grandfathered in, say, season ticket holders of 30, 35, or 40 years? i don't know? again, they probably run into that tax deduction thing.
once again-just wondering. that's what i thought this board was for-rolling chit off each other to see if we could solve the world's problems
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come on man-the short answer is no! my mistake for not adding the "just sayin"
but, to answer your all of your questions with one answer- i really don't think they care. if they did, could they have grandfathered in, say, season ticket holders of 30, 35, or 40 years? i don't know? again, they probably run into that tax deduction thing.
once again-just wondering. that's what i thought this board was for-rolling chit off each other to see if we could solve the world's problems
The answer to that question is no. They could not.
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For future reference and bench-marking:
Benny has 60 priority points. I lost the little slip of paper with my rank on it but I think it was something in the neighborhood of 1700-1800 (I'll update if I find it).
Overall, the best seats available (closest to court) were 101-JJ (two seats) or 206-D (four). The "Center Court" sections in the lower bowl (227, 200, 201, 213-215) only had single tickets available. The "Goal Lines" in the lower bowl (202, 212, 216, 226) generally had 2 or 4 together in Rows W-Z (except 216 which was singles only). Looking at each group of sections (by similar view of the court):
Lower Corners (203-205, 209-211, 217-219):
218 - E (2); 218 - J (4)
Lower End Zones (206-208):
208 - C (2); 208 - D (4)
Upper Centers (443-401, 421-423):
443 - A (2); 401/443 - B (4); 400/422 - G (4)
$125's (408-414):
409/411 - C (2); 411 - C (4)
All other upper sections generally had availability in Row A.
So Benny, your kids will be cheering wildly exactly where? ;D
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My best case option was to move back 5 rows, so I decided to make the wife happy and went for the best aisle seats I could get. 218, Row X. Moving back a bit, but at least no one will stop me from going to the bathroom whenever I want.
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I had MU make my pick on auto-pilot and got the exact same seats again.
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Oh, hell no... do I look like some degenerate who shops exclusively out of the bargain bins? We do the $275's.*
* (because all the good $125's are already gone by the time our appt. comes up)
I picked just before 2 o'clock this afternoon, and I pretty much had my choice of $275's in the first row.
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My best case option was to move back 5 rows, so I decided to make the wife happy and went for the best aisle seats I could get. 218, Row X. Moving back a bit, but at least no one will stop me from going to the bathroom whenever I want.
Aisle seats are an absolute MUST for me. I like having the ability to get up and go get something to drink or whatever whenever I want.
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Like take an unobstructive pee, hey?
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Like take an unobstructive pee, hey?
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and get a shewee for the mrs.- say good bye to the aisle seat and keep 'em all guessing-hey, dude's got a prostate like a 16 year old, ein'er?
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I picked just before 2 o'clock this afternoon, and I pretty much had my choice of $275's in the first row.
Picked at 6:40 tonight and same. Wayyyy more inventory this year than last, it seems.
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What we miss is the ability to see things fill up following our selection. You get locked out as a lookie Lou.
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So Benny, your kids will be cheering wildly exactly where? ;D
Not behind the bench within earshot of Homer's mic, I can tell you that.
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You may want to get that checked. I have44 points and I'm 1830 in rank
Bad memory on my part, apparently... 1630's as of the April mailing, but fell into the 1640's by the time renewal appts. were mailed.
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Not behind the bench within earshot of Homer's mic, I can tell you that.
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No doubt you are training them well. Mine are now going to both be up in the Coors Light free beer section. Different ages, different problems. 8-)
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I think the big thing you're all forgetting is that Marquette benefits greatly by splitting the ticket cost into ticket price plus donations. I believe MU has to split the ticket price with the Bradley Center or in some cases the opponent, but keeps 100% of the "donation". That's why MU needs to keep it as a donation. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this...
MU does not split ticket sales with the Bradley Center. That's what their rent is for.
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MU does not split ticket sales with the Bradley Center. That's what their rent is for.
How would you know, sitting up in the rafters?
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So, what have we learned?:
- STHs are again down, with the product and schedule being the biggest dissatisfiers
- Inventory is shifting around
- The reseating process, although it takes 30 seconds, is confusing and stressful
- The dentists have prostate issues
- They serve sugar cookies at The Al
- There is a new generation or two of Vesties joining the Lower Bowel
- Late donations don't help much
- MU will really job us with the shift the new arena
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So, what have we learned?:
- STHs are again down, with the product and schedule being the biggest dissatisfiers
- Inventory is shifting around
- The reseating process, although it takes 30 seconds, is confusing and stressful
- The dentists have prostate issues
- They serve sugar cookies at The Al
- There is a new generation or two of Vesties joining the Lower Bowel
- Late donations don't help much
- MU will really job us with the shift the new arena
And ND sucks.
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So, what have we learned?:
- STHs are again down, with the product and schedule being the biggest dissatisfiers
- Inventory is shifting around
- The reseating process, although it takes 30 seconds, is confusing and stressful
- The dentists have prostate issues
- They serve sugar cookies at The Al
- There is a new generation or two of Vesties joining the Lower Bowel
- Late donations don't help much
- MU will really job us with the shift the new arena
- Henry only got easy rebounds
- Derrick only got easy assists
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So, what have we learned?:
- STHs are again down, with the product and schedule being the biggest dissatisfiers
- Inventory is shifting around
- The reseating process, although it takes 30 seconds, is confusing and stressful
- The dentists have prostate issues
- They serve sugar cookies at The Al
- There is a new generation or two of Vesties joining the Lower Bowel
- Late donations don't help much
[li]MU will really job us with the shift the new arena[/li]
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I'm concerned about that. I personally think they are already pricing themselves out of the market and no doubt it'll go higher.
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So, what have we learned?:
- STHs are again down, with the product and schedule being the biggest dissatisfiers
- Inventory is shifting around
- The reseating process, although it takes 30 seconds, is confusing and stressful
- The dentists have prostate issues
- They serve sugar cookies at The Al
- There is a new generation or two of Vesties joining the Lower Bowel
- Late donations don't help much
- MU will really job us with the shift the new arena
Crean sucks
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Crean sucks
as black heart posted, dentists have prostate issues (among other things).
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No doubt you are training them well. Mine are now going to both be up in the Coors Light free beer section. Different ages, different problems. 8-)
What's the problem? It sounds like you've trained your kids well, too.
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What's the problem? It sounds like you've trained your kids well, too.
The problem is WHERE'S MINE! ;D
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I'm concerned about that. I personally think they are already pricing themselves out of the market and no doubt it'll go higher.
Shouldn't we hope/assume that MU has already talked to the bucks about rent at new arena? The bucks "need" a second tenant, so it would seem foolish of them and MU to price MU's new rent that it hurts ticket sales. that would make no sense to me.
also, i assume with the better lower bowl seats int he new arena more people will have better seats closer to the action.
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I'm sure rent is already decided. I'm talking ticket prices.
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I think it's cool that you brought you boat docks to the games. A little bulky sure but they probably don't drink a lot.
POTY!
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Bout 2 head in to choose my seat, but 1st chillin in MU Sobelman's. God, I miss Angelo's pizza!!
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Bout 2 head in to choose my seat, but 1st chillin in MU Sobelman's. God, I miss Angelo's pizza!!
Angelo's had terrible pizza.
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I'm concerned about that. I personally think they are already pricing themselves out of the market and no doubt it'll go higher.
Take a look at Xavier's donation area in the lower area. It makes Marquette's look like a bargain.
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Take a look at Xavier's donation area in the lower area. It makes Marquette's look like a bargain.
Cintas holds just over 10,000. A lot less supply, so they can charge more even if there is comparable demand...and my guess is that demand for X tickets might just be a wee bit more than demand for MU tix right now.
Even if we get demand back up, we will always have a larger supply unto deal with.
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Of course I know what it holds, but did you see the donation prices and I'm not talking courtside seats. Over 6,000 seats in the lower bowl the donation level alone is $1750, $850 and $575. Wow!
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Of course I know what it holds, but did you see the donation prices and I'm not talking courtside seats. Over 6,000 seats in the lower bowl the donation level alone is $1750, $850 and $575. Wow!
Supply/demand...and, oh - they don't have an NBA team to compete against for fans.
Edit: Just checked, and the Cincinnati metro area also has over 500,000 more people than the Milwaukee area.
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Supply/demand...and, oh - they don't have an NBA team to compete against for fans.
Edit: Just checked, and the Cincinnati metro area also has over 500,000 more people than the Milwaukee area.
. MU does draw way more than Xavier and it's not like X sells-out every game. Smaller school than Marquette and does not have the long time history. Plus, don't forget the Cincinnati Bearcats.
So, don't really understand where you are going in terms of Marquette tickets prices compared to others in the nation.
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Angelo's had terrible pizza.
And never cleaned their beer lines...
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. MU does draw way more than Xavier and it's not like X sells-out every game. Smaller school than Marquette and does not have the long time history. Plus, don't forget the Cincinnati Bearcats.
So, don't really understand where you are going in terms of Marquette tickets prices compared to others in the nation.
Ummm...actually, X did sell out most games this season...and overall drew more than the full capacity of Cintas for the season. http://www.goxavier.com/news/2016/3/15/mens-basketball-record-setting-season-for-cintas-center-attendance.aspx
Could be that MU outdraws them simply because we have more seats.
And I'm betting not many people are both X and UC fans - likely one or the other. On the other hand, plenty of people like both MU and the Bucks, so those folks often have to choose to spend their $$ on one or the other.
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Xavier did not sell out every game. NKY was 9688. Wright State 10,178 Auburn 10,018 ;) That's extra areas they started to do for standing room only sections to get games higher than listed capacity. But, yes attendance was great in 2015-16 as I'm going off the top of my head in 2014-15. I love that they are in the Big East. Thank you, Val!
You still haven't answered the original statement. You keep making these Xavier cases. Let's move on from X. ;)
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Xavier did not sell out every game. NKY was 9688. Wright State 10,178 Auburn 10,018 ;) That's extra areas they started to do for standing room only sections to get games higher than listed capacity. But, yes attendance was great in 2015-16 as I'm going off the top of my head in 2014-15. I love that they are in the Big East. Thank you, Val!
You still haven't answered the original statement. You keep making these Xavier cases. Let's move on from X. ;)
First off, you are the one who originally brought up Xavier, and ever since, I have been responding directly to your comment by explaining why they seem to be able to charge more than MU and still sell the tickets.
Yes, Xavier tickets make MU tickets look like a bargain. Maybe the fans feel that they're getting what they paid for.
I'm good moving on.
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Xavier can charge higher prices because their fans will pay it. That simple. Last I checked their stadium didn't look like a ghost time 85 percent of the time.
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I'm concerned about that. I personally think they are already pricing themselves out of the market and no doubt it'll go higher.
It'll be interesting to see the response to all this. Honestly, part of the reason I still have my season tickets is just so I'm not pushed to the back of the line at the new arena. Just feels like between television availability and constantly moving further from the court, there's less and less benefit to keeping them when I could just give myself a budget of half my season tickets and probably get to 8-10 games including some of the premiums.
Yes, there will be more lower bowl seats, but won't that likely mean more higher priced seats? Sounds like the capacity will be about the same, so figure that means more seats at higher price points. And as someone moving back every year despite donating more, I certainly don't want to keep paying the same or more for seats that get progressively worse.
The real question I guess will be how much the donation prices go up. Have to figure ticket prices will increase in the new place, but if donations go up too they could price a lot of fans out.
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Angelo's had terrible pizza.
who cared when u were plastered?
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Xavier can charge higher prices because their fans will pay it. That simple. Last I checked their stadium didn't look like a ghost time 85 percent of the time.
Well, one is a 10,250 seat on-campus arena and the other seats 19,000. One is in it's best conference and winning at new heights in school history.
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Well, one is a 10,250 seat on-campus arena and the other seats 19,000. One is in it's best conference and winning at new heights in school history.
They have done extremely well even when they were in the Atlantic 10. So if by new heights you mean the last 15 years, you are correct.
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They have done extremely well even when they were in the Atlantic 10. So if by new heights you mean the last 15 years, you are correct.
They're now in a major conference, by definition that is new heights
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They have done extremely well even when they were in the Atlantic 10. So if by new heights you mean the last 15 years, you are correct.
Correct and being ranked in the Top 5 in the polls for the first time ever and now being in the Big East Conference with all games playing on FOX, FS1, CBSSN, etc. TV wise they got lost a bit in the A-10.
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Ummm...actually, X did sell out most games this season...and overall drew more than the full capacity of Cintas for the season. http://www.goxavier.com/news/2016/3/15/mens-basketball-record-setting-season-for-cintas-center-attendance.aspx
Could be that MU outdraws them simply because we have more seats.
And I'm betting not many people are both X and UC fans - likely one or the other. On the other hand, plenty of people like both MU and the Bucks, so those folks often have to choose to spend their $$ on one or the other.
We should consult with Xavier to understand some of their marketin techniques to get such a large percentage of capacity.
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We should consult with Xavier to understand some of their marketin techniques to get such a large percentage of capacity.
Top 5 teams in the country tend to market themselves. Win and they will come, ehna?
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Top 5 teams in the country tend to market themselves. Win and they will come, ehna?
That is the best policy for sure. We need to get back to the Crean/Buzz level and that will take care of a lot of the issue . I still think we need better thought out cupcakes.
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That is the best policy for sure. We need to get back to the Crean/Buzz level and that will take care of a lot of the issue . I still think we need better thought out cupcakes.
Eh, I don't buy that argument. 95% of the fans don't know the difference between a buffalo and a gambling state. It would help our rpi for sure but not attendance
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When do we get the invoice for 2016-17 seats that we selected during reseating period?
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When do we get the invoice for 2016-17 seats that we selected during reseating period?
July.
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Eh, I don't buy that argument. 95% of the fans don't know the difference between a buffalo and a gambling state. It would help our rpi for sure but not attendance
Though I might be part of the 5%, I'm pretty sure that this is a buffalo:
(http://jlcauvin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/buffalo.jpg)
And this is a gambling state:
(http://i.infopls.com/images/mnevada.gif)
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Though I might be part of the 5%, I'm pretty sure that this is a buffalo:
(http://jlcauvin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/buffalo.jpg)
And this is a gambling state:
(http://i.infopls.com/images/mnevada.gif)
Awesome
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Eh, I don't buy that argument. 95% of the fans don't know the difference between a buffalo and a gambling state. It would help our rpi for sure but not attendance
What I have for some time is to get local games with UW GB, UWM , Loyola of Chicago, Northern Illinois etc. and put them in that time slot when the kids are out of school on winter break.
For Example. Last time we played UW GB at home under those circumstances we drew 14,208.
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Though I might be part of the 5%, I'm pretty sure that this is a buffalo:
(http://jlcauvin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/buffalo.jpg)
And this is a gambling state:
(http://i.infopls.com/images/mnevada.gif)
Well done
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What I have for some time is to get local games with UW GB, UWM , Loyola of Chicago, Northern Illinois etc. and put them in that time slot when the kids are out of school on winter break.
For Example. Last time we played UW GB at home under those circumstances we drew 14,208.
Of course they were all there to watch the Phoenix rise. Nothing to do with a top 10 in the nation squad coming off a Sweet 16 to draw casual fans. Nope. It was all the local Phoenix angle that attracted the common folk.
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What I have for some time is to get local games with UW GB, UWM , Loyola of Chicago, Northern Illinois etc. and put them in that time slot when the kids are out of school on winter break.
For Example. Last time we played UW GB at home under those circumstances we drew 14,208.
It's.
Not.
Happening.
Marquette has zero, zero, zero interest in anyone who would require a return game from a mid or low major conference like the Horizon. Unless a Wichita State or Gonzaga comes calling, there is no way under the current regime you will see these game scheduled unless they are willing to play at the BC as buy games, which they are not because they wouldn't take anything less than the deal they get from the Badgers.
No matter how many times you say Green Bay and Milwaukee, the chances of them showing up on our schedule in the next few years will only happen in the NIT or NCAAs. There is virtually no conceivable way Marquette will play either of those teams as long as they demand return games at the Cell or the Resch.
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It's.
Not.
Happening.
Marquette has zero, zero, zero interest in anyone who would require a return game from a mid or low major conference like the Horizon. Unless a Wichita State or Gonzaga comes calling, there is no way under the current regime you will see these game scheduled unless they are willing to play at the BC as buy games, which they are not because they wouldn't take anything less than the deal they get from the Badgers.
No matter how many times you say Green Bay and Milwaukee, the chances of them showing up on our schedule in the next few years will only happen in the NIT or NCAAs. There is virtually no conceivable way Marquette will play either of those teams as long as they demand return games at the Cell or the Resch.
I'm not against the idea of considering "easy" nonconf road games for purposes of manipulating the RPI. Your thoughts?
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I'm not against the idea of considering "easy" nonconf road games for purposes of manipulating the RPI. Your thoughts?
I think it is a good thing. Especially if it is with local teams.
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I'm not against the idea of considering "easy" nonconf road games for purposes of manipulating the RPI. Your thoughts?
I love the idea. I think having a rotation of say four regular opponents that you expect to be decent (say winning 15-20 games yearly) in which you get three at home each year and one on the road would be great. But Marquette's not interested in doing that. I've talked to Broeker about it. If they can't get a high-major home game in return they will not give up a road game. Just the philosophy they're going with.
You could pick say Milwaukee, Green Bay, Loyola-Chicago, and Western Michigan (okay...may bring back bad memories...). Green Bay has won 14+ in each of the past 12 seaons with 13 of those seasons at .500 or better. Milwaukee has won 14+ in 9 of the last 11 seasons and been over .500 7/11 seasons. Loyola has won 12+ in 10 of the last 12 seasons. Western Michigan has won 13+ in 12 of the last 13 seasons and .500 or better records in 9 of them.
All of those teams minimize travel expenses, could reliably be expected to at least not be bad, would satisfy the people that want to see local teams, but for the most part guarantee you at worst a 3-1 record most years with 4-0 very possible and the benefit of a road win. I'm not sold on UWM or UWGB, I think you could just as easily look at other fairly local programs like Detroit, Illinois State, or even Bradley. But once the program is turned back around (and I think it's getting close) you would definitely benefit from having a few 3-for-1s set up like that. It could also create a bit more fan interest over time as those fans would know they could travel to the BC to see their team (other than the pittance of people in the traveling party, do we ever see more than a handful of buy game fans at any of those games?) while you would also get at least some kind of rivalry built up.
Alternately, you could look at setting these up across the country to benefit further away Marquette fans, say look at schools in California, Arizona, Texas, Florida, or Georgia where you typically see graduates retire to, or out east just to widen the footprint.
Personally, if I were designing the schedule, that would become a quick staple of my scheduling. Get 4 games from your tournament (love the ones where you get two quality neutral games and two moderately decent low to mid major home games). Wisconsin and another alternating home-and-home (Ideally ND, but not sure they're interested). 4 rotating 3-for-1 deals that guarantee another true road game for RPI purposes and three home games against decent opponents. Then three games to play with depending on team strength. Possibly a Gavitt Game, another high-major home-and-home, a neutral site game like Vandy, or if the team isn't as strong, some lesser buy games.
But as I'm not designing the schedule, it's all just pie in the sky. And I have it from the horse's mouth that they don't want to give up home games without getting high major return games.
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You could pick say Milwaukee, Green Bay, Loyola-Chicago, and Western Michigan (okay...may bring back bad memories...).
A little tip regarding bad game memories... if you start drinking heavily enough at the under 8 timeout in the 2nd half, you'll never remember how the game ends.
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I like your ideal schedule brew and I agree with you that MU has no intention of putting it together. Funny thing is, they've never asked their customers what we want. I'd gladly give up a home game to see generally better basketball. Driving up for Grambling is a waste of time and energy.
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Driving up for Grambling is a waste of time and energy.
At least it earned you the right to authoritatively discuss all-things on the topic of paid attendance!
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I like your ideal schedule brew and I agree with you that MU has no intention of putting it together. Funny thing is, they've never asked their customers what we want. I'd gladly give up a home game to see generally better basketball. Driving up for Grambling is a waste of time and energy.
This past year was insanely busy for me, but I'm definitely interested in trying to get on that fan steering committee. No idea what they are looking for in terms of applicants, but when they next take applications (two year term) I'm going to at least take a stab at the process.
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At least it earned you the right to authoritatively discuss all-things on the topic of paid attendance!
Ha! You get credit for that one.
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I love the idea. I think having a rotation of say four regular opponents that you expect to be decent (say winning 15-20 games yearly) in which you get three at home each year and one on the road would be great. But Marquette's not interested in doing that. I've talked to Broeker about it. If they can't get a high-major home game in return they will not give up a road game. Just the philosophy they're going with.
You could pick say Milwaukee, Green Bay, Loyola-Chicago, and Western Michigan (okay...may bring back bad memories...). Green Bay has won 14+ in each of the past 12 seaons with 13 of those seasons at .500 or better. Milwaukee has won 14+ in 9 of the last 11 seasons and been over .500 7/11 seasons. Loyola has won 12+ in 10 of the last 12 seasons. Western Michigan has won 13+ in 12 of the last 13 seasons and .500 or better records in 9 of them.
All of those teams minimize travel expenses, could reliably be expected to at least not be bad, would satisfy the people that want to see local teams, but for the most part guarantee you at worst a 3-1 record most years with 4-0 very possible and the benefit of a road win. I'm not sold on UWM or UWGB, I think you could just as easily look at other fairly local programs like Detroit, Illinois State, or even Bradley. But once the program is turned back around (and I think it's getting close) you would definitely benefit from having a few 3-for-1s set up like that. It could also create a bit more fan interest over time as those fans would know they could travel to the BC to see their team (other than the pittance of people in the traveling party, do we ever see more than a handful of buy game fans at any of those games?) while you would also get at least some kind of rivalry built up.
Alternately, you could look at setting these up across the country to benefit further away Marquette fans, say look at schools in California, Arizona, Texas, Florida, or Georgia where you typically see graduates retire to, or out east just to widen the footprint.
Personally, if I were designing the schedule, that would become a quick staple of my scheduling. Get 4 games from your tournament (love the ones where you get two quality neutral games and two moderately decent low to mid major home games). Wisconsin and another alternating home-and-home (Ideally ND, but not sure they're interested). 4 rotating 3-for-1 deals that guarantee another true road game for RPI purposes and three home games against decent opponents. Then three games to play with depending on team strength. Possibly a Gavitt Game, another high-major home-and-home, a neutral site game like Vandy, or if the team isn't as strong, some lesser buy games.
But as I'm not designing the schedule, it's all just pie in the sky. And I have it from the horse's mouth that they don't want to give up home games without getting high major return games.
So your finally agreeing with my position. I knew you would come around to it
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I think we need to rotate our nonconference scheduling. Play through the SWAC one season, the MEAC the next. Repeat.
Oh wait, we already do that....
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So your finally agreeing with my position. I knew you would come around to it
I'm not coming around to any position. I've felt like this for years. However, Marquette does not agree, so we won't likely see anything like this in the near future.
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July.
Ty
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Rochester is a great city, though it's been about 22 years since I lived there... I used to tell people that I lived just a few blocks from where Jimmy Bakker and Lyndon LaRouche were strangely bedfellowing, but that morsel of interest lost its luster about two decades ago.
Just heard Dennis Hastert will soon be living in Jimmy and Lyndon's old digs.
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This past year was insanely busy for me, but I'm definitely interested in trying to get on that fan steering committee. No idea what they are looking for in terms of applicants, but when they next take applications (two year term) I'm going to at least take a stab at the process.
Are there any scoopers on the committee? You would get my vote Brew.