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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 1SE on May 04, 2016, 04:13:14 PM
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Here's to hoping it won't happen. But if it does how much does it lower your expectations for next season? Miss NCAA? Miss NIT?
How would it change your view of Wojo's seat? If neither was a #donedeal how do you feel about Wally's Poleaxing?
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If we miss on Young it doesn't change my expectations for next season. But it does change my expectations for 17-18.
If we miss on Gill it does change my expectations for next season (go from solid NCAA team to fringe NCAA team). But it doesn't change my expectations for 17-18.
It doesn't change my opinion that much on Wojo's seat. It would be two recruiting misses, but every coach has those. Make it up in 2017 and all is forgiven. I don't really feel bad about the Wally situation so no change in opinion there.
I would also hope that if we were to miss on both that we would go after some other players. Maybe a transfer for 17-18.
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Here's to hoping it won't happen. But if it does how much does it lower your expectations for next season? Miss NCAA? Miss NIT?
How would it change your view of Wojo's seat? If neither was a #donedeal how do you feel about Wally's Poleaxing?
Don't have them going to the NCAA—with or without Young or Gill. Perhaps they sneak into the NIT this time. More likely: a repeat of this past year. Decent record but no tourney.
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I think MU has a good chance at Young but I'd be shocked if they got gill. Seemed everything went shhhhhh once Maryland called.
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I prefer the subject line "What if we swing and miss with Young and Gill"
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I think MU has a good chance at Young but I'd be shocked if they got gill. Seemed everything went shhhhhh once Maryland called.
Except for that fact that he visited MU for two days after he scheduled his Maryland visit.
I do think we have a better shot at Young than Gill, though
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What is worth tracking is Wojo's luster: Henry to the NBA can put a spotlight on the program and Wojo, but he needs to parlay it into recruits. IF the luster fades, he's gonna have to scrap and claw the hard way to the NCAAs with mid-major talent (not to say it can't be done...).
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What is worth tracking is Wojo's luster: Henry to the NBA can put a spotlight on the program and Wojo, but he needs to parlay it into recruits. IF the luster fades, he's gonna have to scrap and claw the hard way to the NCAAs with mid-major talent (not to say it can't be done...).
I mean, he followed up last year's class with 3 top 100 players this year. He's doing a good job recruiting.
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I prefer the subject line "What if we swing and miss with Young and Gill"
What are you, a lawyer or something?
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What is worth tracking is Wojo's luster: Henry to the NBA can put a spotlight on the program and Wojo, but he needs to parlay it into recruits. IF the luster fades, he's gonna have to scrap and claw the hard way to the NCAAs with mid-major talent (not to say it can't be done...).
Except that since Wally-gate, I doubt Henry is interested in being an ambassador for MU. At last not immediately. Can't see him lending his time to chat and meet with prospective recruits.
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What is worth tracking is Wojo's luster: Henry to the NBA can put a spotlight on the program and Wojo, but he needs to parlay it into recruits. IF the luster fades, he's gonna have to scrap and claw the hard way to the NCAAs with mid-major talent (not to say it can't be done...).
YOu forgot the part where Wojo didnt just burn the bridge, but blew up all the ground beneath it so the bridge could never be built again.
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The Providence coach is "positioning" that he has developed Bentil and Dunn.....
Those. are both "maybe's" at the next level......(I think Bentil will be a much better player than Dunn)
We have developed and have "stars" at the next level.....
Wade......Butler......Crowder.....Matthews.....and Henry sound like a Top 10 pick ahead of Dunn.....
Name "one" Providence star in the past 20 years at the next level......Ummmmmmmmmm......
WOJO needs to turn the tables on Cooley......Providence was a mess until this year and as far as I am concerned.....A
one trick pony......
They will probably be in the 2nd half of the division next year......Back to normal.....and we will be back in the tournament......Back to normal.....
That the NBA arena, the facilities, and practicing and scimmaging at times with NBA players definitely make the choice an easy one.....
Better school also......(better academics)
Done deal.....
Which one does WOJO want.....is more the question.......
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Here's to hoping it won't happen. But if it does how much does it lower your expectations for next season? Miss NCAA? Miss NIT?
How would it change your view of Wojo's seat? If neither was a #donedeal how do you feel about Wally's Poleaxing?
Gill would be a real help next year, Young a standard freshman big. My expectations for next year are built without either, so I consider them icing on the cake .
Wojo is not on a hot seat at all. He just got a conference extension and Lovell is in love with him
Wally was not pole axed. He is welcome to play on the team he just has to pay tuition if he wants to play basketball. Just like Cam Marotta. I am not a big fan of Wojos methods but in this case he legitimately needed to free up a scholarship . There are others in the mix besides Gill and Young.
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So Wojo should use the success of players he didn't coach to "turn the tables" on Cooley? Seems like an odd approach.
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MU is a program which puts more money into basketball than any except maybe 5 institutions in the country......
I guess WOJO should just rely on his lineage and stewardship under Coach K.....
Where did Ed Cooley coach before this......High School?
Because if you watched half of his games this years as I have......I think he is having flashbacks.....
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Isn't Marquette Fan in NY the old Texas Western?
If so, we know he doesn't like Wojo and he's defending him in the Wally situation. So....probably wasn't all on Wojo.
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MU is a program which puts more money into basketball than any except maybe 5 institutions in the country......
I find this to be unsupported by any meaningful data.
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Per my source, Young enjoying himself today while on campus. His dad enjoying the visit too.
My source is not BD84 connected, but pretty darned reliable.
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Per my source, Young enjoying himself today while on campus. His dad enjoying the visit too.
My source is not BD84 connected, but pretty darned reliable.
Thought it was his mom on the visit?
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Thought it was his mom on the visit?
What's the difference? All about how you identify.
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Unleash Wally must be a rodent troll.
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Thought it was his mom on the visit?
Which is why his dad is enjoying the visit too.
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BeeJay, da diff between a Mom or a Dad is all 'bout da penis. Assumin' no transgenderin' has transpired, hey?
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BeeJay, da diff between a Mom or a Dad is all 'bout da penis. Assumin' no transgenderin' has transpired, hey?
I agree. Many disagree. My local ma & pa shop Target believes it's about feelings.
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I prefer the subject line "What if we swing and miss with Young and Gill"
I call 'BS' on the subject too. Nothing like making a declaration on something you have no idea on in order to draw out alarmists who will show displeasure with Wojo.
Also - Young will be a frosh. Needed? yes. Good? if not right away hopefully he'll develop well. '17 game changer? Hope he comes here, but that would be an outlier for an under-the-radar recruit.
I agree. Many disagree. My local ma & pa shop Target believes it's about feelings.
::) G.I.A.F.R.
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Per my source, Young enjoying himself today while on campus. His dad enjoying the visit too.
My source is not BD84 connected, but pretty darned reliable.
It's just Kalif & mom I believe
"He's heading to Marquette with my wife this morning," Tony (Young) said.
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Graduate of the Dodds school of writing? I don't think I've ever seen so many ellipses in two posts before.
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Graduate of the Dodds school of writing? I don't think I've ever seen so many ellipses in two posts before.
That is the most hilarious 'exclusion post' (if that's a thing) ever. It may be a J. Denton morse code thing where he's trying to escape Dodd's control.
**no disrespect to Denton......... my Dad was a USAF A-1 pilot in Vietnam
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The Providence coach is "positioning" that he has developed Bentil and Dunn.....
Those. are both "maybe's" at the next level......(I think Bentil will be a much better player than Dunn)
We have developed and have "stars" at the next level.....
Wade......Butler......Crowder.....Matthews.....and Henry sound like a Top 10 pick ahead of Dunn.....
Name "one" Providence star in the past 20 years at the next level......Ummmmmmmmmm......
WOJO needs to turn the tables on Cooley......Providence was a mess until this year and as far as I am concerned.....A
one trick pony......
They will probably be in the 2nd half of the division next year......Back to normal.....and we will be back in the tournament......Back to normal.....
That the NBA arena, the facilities, and practicing and scimmaging at times with NBA players definitely make the choice an easy one.....
Better school also......(better academics)
Done deal.....
Which one does WOJO want.....is more the question.......
Wojo has not developed anybody at MU. Ellenson would of been a top 10 pick coming out of high school. The other players you mentioned did not play for Wojo.
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Don't have them going to the NCAA—with or without Young or Gill. Perhaps they sneak into the NIT this time. More likely: a repeat of this past year. Decent record but no tourney.
I agree with this. None of the recruits are as near as good as Henry.
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What's the difference? All about how you identify.
Bada bing!
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The Providence coach is "positioning" that he has developed Bentil and Dunn.....
Those. are both "maybe's" at the next level......(I think Bentil will be a much better player than Dunn)
We have developed and have "stars" at the next level.....
Wade......Butler......Crowder.....Matthews.....and Henry sound like a Top 10 pick ahead of Dunn.....
Name "one" Providence star in the past 20 years at the next level......Ummmmmmmmmm......
WOJO needs to turn the tables on Cooley......Providence was a mess until this year and as far as I am concerned.....A
one trick pony......
They will probably be in the 2nd half of the division next year......Back to normal.....and we will be back in the tournament......Back to normal.....
That the NBA arena, the facilities, and practicing and scimmaging at times with NBA players definitely make the choice an easy one.....
Better school also......(better academics)
Done deal.....
Which one does WOJO want.....is more the question.......
Marshon Brooks got drafted in the 25th. Just to answer one of the questions. Not in the league now, but there have been people recently in the league.
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YOu forgot the part where Wojo didnt just burn the bridge, but blew up all the ground beneath it so the bridge could never be built again.
Did he?
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What's the difference? All about how you identify.
BeeJay, da diff between a Mom or a Dad is all 'bout da penis. Assumin' no transgenderin' has transpired, hey?
I agree. Many disagree. My local ma & pa shop Target believes it's about feelings.
You two have been on a roll lately. Why you feel the need to control and others and tell them how to identify is beyond me. I suggest doing some more research before asserting that the struggle transgendered individuals face is based on feelings.
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I agree with this. None of the recruits are as near as good as Henry.
They don't have to be. Young (or Gill)+Hauser+Howard+Rowsey+Reinhardt is better than Henry (and Wally). Throw in improvement from all the returning players? Forget about it.
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You two have been on a roll lately. Why you feel the need to control and others and tell them how to identify is beyond me. I suggest doing some more research before asserting that the struggle transgendered individuals face is based on feelings.
I don't feel the need to control and others (sic) and tell them how to identify. I do have a concern with a guy with a schlong being welcomed into the ladies room. People can identify as whatever sex, mythical creature, etc. whatever they feel they are.
If you're a man who feels they are a female even though they are clearly a man... if when you go out to a store or restaurant or wherever outside of your own property, I have little sympathy for you being upset that you are expected to go to the restroom of your real gender. Tough.
Should car insurance companies be forced to lower my rate if I tell them I'm feeling like a broad?
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What's the difference? All about how you identify.
I laughed.
And I like to think I would have laughed if I were transgender, too.
Gotta keep our senses of humor.
(Wait ... did I say "if" I were transgender?)
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I don't feel the need to control and others (sic) and tell them how to identify. I do have a concern with a guy with a schlong being welcomed into the ladies room. People can identify as whatever sex, mythical creature, etc. whatever they feel they are.
If you're a man who feels they are a female even though they are clearly a man... if when you go out to a store or restaurant or wherever outside of your own property, I have little sympathy for you being upset that you are expected to go to the restroom of your real gender. Tough.
Should car insurance companies be forced to lower my rate if I tell them I'm feeling like a broad?
Awww, Jay Bee. I just commented about how I laughed about your first reference. And then you had to go with this uninformed silliness - which, BTW, belongs on the politics board.
As for the subject ...
More and more cases are being reported of transgender men - that is people who were born female and still have all their "lady parts" but who identify as male and look very much like men, complete with facial hair - being MANDATED by the NC law to go to the ladies' room.
The law is effed up. It wasn't designed to "protect" anybody. It was politics, and it was a way to legalize discrimination against LGBT.
Now ... off to the politics board with this to join the several other threads there.
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I don't feel the need to control and others (sic) and tell them how to identify. I do have a concern with a guy with a schlong being welcomed into the ladies room. People can identify as whatever sex, mythical creature, etc. whatever they feel they are.
If you're a man who feels they are a female even though they are clearly a man... if when you go out to a store or restaurant or wherever outside of your own property, I have little sympathy for you being upset that you are expected to go to the restroom of your real gender. Tough.
Should car insurance companies be forced to lower my rate if I tell them I'm feeling like a broad?
You are entitled to your opinion. I would say that is misinformed on several points. If you would like to debate it, I hear there's a politics board.
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More crystal balls going MU's way.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Kalif-Young-at-Orangeville-Prep-161980/CurrentExpertPredictions
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I don't feel the need to control and others (sic) and tell them how to identify. I do have a concern with a guy with a schlong being welcomed into the ladies room. People can identify as whatever sex, mythical creature, etc. whatever they feel they are.
If you're a man who feels they are a female even though they are clearly a man... if when you go out to a store or restaurant or wherever outside of your own property, I have little sympathy for you being upset that you are expected to go to the restroom of your real gender. Tough.
Should car insurance companies be forced to lower my rate if I tell them I'm feeling like a broad?
You get all hot and bothered by "its" vs. "it's" but you can't figure out if you want to go with a single individual (you/a female/a man) or multiple individuals (they). C'mon bruh.
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Bacon, lettuce, and tomato.
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They don't have to be. Young (or Gill)+Hauser+Howard+Rowsey+Reinhardt is better than Henry (and Wally). Throw in improvement from all the returning players? Forget about it.
I disagree with this. We can be a better team next year, but no matter how good we are we would have been a better team if Henry was coming back and we did not have these four additions. Not only was Henry very productive as a freshmen he also greatly helped Fischer and Cheatnam by being on the floor. Howard is a very nice addition and Rowsey is a very nice addition, but how many under 6' feet guards do you need, especially when all of your guards are returning. Hauser and Reinhardt are small forwards who will likely be forced to play the 4. We already had Cheatham and JJJ to play the three, so they really were not needed there. What the team needed to be more rounded were bigmen. The incoming players are very good players, but they do not fill our biggest need.
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Should car insurance companies be forced to lower my rate if I tell them I'm feeling like a broad?
Excellent question, and if they don't then clearly they are discriminating
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I disagree with this. We can be a better team next year, but no matter how good we are we would have been a better team if Henry was coming back and we did not have these four additions. Not only was Henry very productive as a freshmen he also greatly helped Fischer and Cheatnam by being on the floor. Howard is a very nice addition and Rowsey is a very nice addition, but how many under 6' feet guards do you need, especially when all of your guards are returning. Hauser and Reinhardt are small forwards who will likely be forced to play the 4. We already had Cheatham and JJJ to play the three, so they really were not needed there. What the team needed to be more rounded were bigmen. The incoming players are very good players, but they do not fill our biggest need.
Just re watched Moneyball the other night - I know not perfectly analogous but this "replace Henry" conversation seems apropos. I'm surprised the wisdom here doesn't think Young makes a big difference for next year. With all the offensive firepower we have/are bringing in it seems to me we don't need much from him on that end. Cliche that you can't teach size and all. It seems plausible he be big in the lane for 15 minutes clogging things up and playing passable D, bang some bodies (maybe a few hard fouls), grab some tough boards I think that's all we'd need in terms of value-add to switch a few L's to W's on next year's schedule - which I think should be enough to put us firmly in the Tourney convo. Without young or gill we have to play small and even our two bigs aren't really that physical. I think we'll win enough games just based on the run and gun, but well struggle with anyone who can slow us down and pound it into the paint on the offensive end.
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I disagree with this. We can be a better team next year, but no matter how good we are we would have been a better team if Henry was coming back and we did not have these four additions. Not only was Henry very productive as a freshmen he also greatly helped Fischer and Cheatnam by being on the floor. Howard is a very nice addition and Rowsey is a very nice addition, but how many under 6' feet guards do you need, especially when all of your guards are returning. Hauser and Reinhardt are small forwards who will likely be forced to play the 4. We already had Cheatham and JJJ to play the three, so they really were not needed there. What the team needed to be more rounded were bigmen. The incoming players are very good players, but they do not fill our biggest need.
That's an interesting question. Which would be better? A returning Henry or all four of the new additions. I strongly believe that the four new additions are significantly better than freshman Henry but who knows how he would have improved as a sophomore. Either way, that exercise is purely academic because Henry is not coming back, so it doesn't really matter.
I love Hank, wish he had stayed. But he was an extremely inefficient player on offense but we still ran the offense through him. He was also often lost on defense. His rebounding was elite and we will miss that sorely. But I think the rest of his production will be easier to make up than people think.
I don't fear a four guard lineup like some do. Rebounding will be tough next season. No doubt about that. But rebounding (specifically offensive rebounding rate) is only one of four factors that determine the success of a college basketball team. It is actually the third most important. I think we will improve in the most important (eFG%), drastically improve in the second most important (TO%), and am not sure about the fourth factor (FTR). I am confident we will be a better team next season. But I understand the concerns others have.
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I disagree with this. We can be a better team next year, but no matter how good we are we would have been a better team if Henry was coming back and we did not have these four additions. Not only was Henry very productive as a freshmen he also greatly helped Fischer and Cheatnam by being on the floor. Howard is a very nice addition and Rowsey is a very nice addition, but how many under 6' feet guards do you need, especially when all of your guards are returning. Hauser and Reinhardt are small forwards who will likely be forced to play the 4. We already had Cheatham and JJJ to play the three, so they really were not needed there. What the team needed to be more rounded were bigmen. The incoming players are very good players, but they do not fill our biggest need.
Totally agree with your post. Spot on.
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Sun is out. OK day for an ice cream truck, hey? 8-)
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Excellent question, and if they don't then clearly they are discriminating
Sigh. You guys are exhausting...and oh so predictable.
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Totally agree with your post. Spot on.
I believe Henry would be a much better player the second year but if they get Young and the others, they can make up for Henry. Young is important not on the offensive end but the defensive end. MU has more scorers then ever, the bigger difference this year is that you should not see Duane Wilson go 2-15 in a game as
there are other players that can score. Henry at times was an offensive player on the offensive end, taking lots of bad shots and from distance he was not that good.
5 players next year will be 22 years old or so, so the young team is over. Lots of experience particularly adding Reinhardt and Rowsey. Very experienced. Even Duke
never had 13 players that might be able to play. Curious how Wojo figures playing time.
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I agree with TAMU's comments that we will be a better this season. Sure we will miss Henry, but, as a Freshman, he made a lot of mistakes that hurt us during the year. The 2016-17 Warriors can score and handle the ball and that spells winning. Hope we have good news today.
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The 2016-17 Warriors can score and handle the ball and that spells winning. Hope we have good news today.
Yes, scoring leads to winning.
My astute thought for the day.
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Wojo's Seat:
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When you have been in the PC industry since 85.....This is how you send your 100 or 2 emails on a daily basis.....
No time......
You guys are all thumbs....With the phones.....I am from the generation that now gives you guys a job......
Good luck.....
Every once in a while I stop by and check the maturity level of typical MU student......
Very impressed......
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When you have been in the PC industry since 85.....This is how you send your 100 or 2 emails on a daily basis.....
No time......
You guys are all thumbs....With the phones.....I am from the generation that now gives you guys a job......
Good luck.....
Every once in a while I stop by and check the maturity level of typical MU student......
Very impressed......
No, you're the generation about to get leap-frogged by a younger generation.
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When you have been in the PC industry since 85.....This is how you send your 100 or 2 emails on a daily basis.....
No time......
You guys are all thumbs....With the phones.....I am from the generation that now gives you guys a job......
Good luck.....
Every once in a while I stop by and check the maturity level of typical MU student......
Very impressed......
You could have just hit "post" after you typed the last 'd'?
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what... is ...happening?
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what... is ...happening?
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what... is ...happening?
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When you have been in the PC industry since 85.....This is how you send your 100 or 2 emails on a daily basis.....
No time......
You guys are all thumbs....With the phones.....I am from the generation that now gives you guys a job......
Good luck.....
Every once in a while I stop by and check the maturity level of typical MU student......
Very impressed......
Actually not an MU student so my maturity level is likely of no value in your survey.
I am actually impressed when I consider how many period keys you must have worn out over the last 31 years.
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Ah yes. It's that time of year when Scoop becomes a haven for young 12 year old girls who argue with each other all day. It's a beautiful thing.
(http://pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw7729-021_-_internet_fight.gif)
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Is Burger the same cat that got on Chico's case a few years ago for saying he "owned" a portion of DirecTV's business?
If so I shared a few nice private messages with him that resulted in him calling me a commie. Good times.
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Its a dark horse right now, but if it picks up some signature wins, I could see this guy making the 2017 Meme tournament
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Gill would be a real help next year, Young a standard freshman big. My expectations for next year are built without either, so I consider them icing on the cake .
Wojo is not on a hot seat at all. He just got a conference extension and Lovell is in love with him
Wally was not pole axed. He is welcome to play on the team he just has to pay tuition if he wants to play basketball. Just like Cam Marotta. I am not a big fan of Wojos methods but in this case he legitimately needed to free up a scholarship . There are others in the mix besides Gill and Young.
No one's saying you should be banned, but you really need to get that 50 grand contribution to the mods before you post again.
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Thought it was his mom on the visit?
What bathroom did this parent use?
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Bacon, lettuce, and tomato.
Is that with mayo or without??
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If so I shared a few nice private messages with him that resulted in him calling me a commie. Good times.
A commie? Was this in 1953?
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A commie? Was this in 1953?
"you sound like a communist, or at least a Democrat. To "take ownership" is one thing, to say "I own" is another meaning entirely. And if today people think that consists of ownership, it's a sad testimony to the American entrepreneurial spirit."
Username was "River Rat" at the time.
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The Providence coach is "positioning" that he has developed Bentil and Dunn.....
Those. are both "maybe's" at the next level......(I think Bentil will be a much better player than Dunn)
We have developed and have "stars" at the next level.....
Wade......Butler......Crowder.....Matthews.....and Henry sound like a Top 10 pick ahead of Dunn.....
Name "one" Providence star in the past 20 years at the next level......Ummmmmmmmmm......
WOJO needs to turn the tables on Cooley......Providence was a mess until this year and as far as I am concerned.....A
one trick pony......
They will probably be in the 2nd half of the division next year......Back to normal.....and we will be back in the tournament......Back to normal.....
That the NBA arena, the facilities, and practicing and scimmaging at times with NBA players definitely make the choice an easy one.....
Better school also......(better academics)
Done deal.....
Which one does WOJO want.....is more the question.......
Dunn is projected to be a higher pick than Henry.
None of those players you listed were coached or developed by Wojo.
Providence was a mess until last year? They've been to 3 straight NCAA tournaments? Remind me what Marquette did the last 3 years?
better academics? According to who? Marquette is the #86 ranked national university. Providence is the #2 Regional University in the North.
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Baloney!
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Dunn is projected to be a higher pick than Henry.
Try this one for accuracy: "Dunn is projected by some to be a higher pick than Henry. Not true for others, but for some."
Providence was a mess until last year? They've been to 3 straight NCAA tournaments? Remind me what Marquette did the last 3 years?
Is 3 years the measuring stick, especially when it comes to the final year of one coach and the first 2 of the next? If so, 15-17, 15-17, 19-15 for Providence.. no postseason.
Yes, the last three years Providence has been a 6, 9 and 11 seed and managed one victory.
Yes, in the last 15 years, Providence has been to the tourney 4 times and won a single game.
I'm thinking MU as a program has been just a bit stronger, a''ina?
Marquette is the #86 ranked national university. Providence is the #2 Regional University in the North.
Let me get this straight. You're comparing one national ranking... to a "Regional University in the North" (wtf?) ranking?
bruh.
15 seasons
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Try this one for accuracy: "Dunn is projected by some to be a higher pick than Henry. Not true for others, but for some."
Is 3 years the measuring stick, especially when it comes to the final year of one coach and the first 2 of the next? If so, 15-17, 15-17, 19-15 for Providence.. no postseason.
Yes, the last three years Providence has been a 6, 9 and 11 seed and managed one victory.
Yes, in the last 15 years, Providence has been to the tourney 4 times and won a single game.
I'm thinking MU as a program has been just a bit stronger, a''ina?
Let me get this straight. You're comparing one national ranking... to a "Regional University in the North" (wtf?) ranking?
bruh.
15 seasons
Leave the guy alone. He still thinks Georgetown has an outside shot for a 1 seed in the 2016 NCAA Tournament.
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When you have been in the PC industry since 85.....This is how you send your 100 or 2 emails on a daily basis.....
No time......
You guys are all thumbs....With the phones.....I am from the generation that now gives you guys a job......
Good luck.....
Every once in a while I stop by and check the maturity level of typical MU student......
Very impressed......
Judging by the.....
Way that you.... Talk over....
A written..... message.....
I'm sure that.... You will never be.... Hiring someone...
From the next..... Generation....
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Judging by the.....
Way that you.... Talk over....
A written..... message.....
I'm sure that.... You will never be.... Hiring someone...
From the next..... Generation....
From what I can tell....
Unless I am mistaken....
Constant use of bullet points....
Keeps the conversation going....
Youthful exuberance....
Often overcomes...
Useless banter...
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Try this one for accuracy: "Dunn is projected by some to be a higher pick than Henry. Not true for others, but for some."
Is 3 years the measuring stick, especially when it comes to the final year of one coach and the first 2 of the next? If so, 15-17, 15-17, 19-15 for Providence.. no postseason.
Yes, the last three years Providence has been a 6, 9 and 11 seed and managed one victory.
Yes, in the last 15 years, Providence has been to the tourney 4 times and won a single game.
I'm thinking MU as a program has been just a bit stronger, a''ina?
Let me get this straight. You're comparing one national ranking... to a "Regional University in the North" (wtf?) ranking?
bruh.
15 seasons
I was just responding to that post an correcting some misconceptions.
I didn't realize till reading the rest of the thread that he was a troll not to be taken seriously.
1) You're right that would be more accurate since I haven't looked at all the sites. That being said Draftexpress(D5 H9), nbadraft.net(D6 H18), Chad ford's big board(D4 H7), and cbs( D4 H9) all have Dunn over Henry. Just seemed ridiculous to imply Henry was going to be a top 10 pick and Dunn was not when everyone has Dunn in the top 10. Now these mocks usually do not take team need into account at this point. So yes Henry could easily leap frog Dunn depending on how the lottery shakes out, but Dunn seems to be the more highly regarded prospect with out taking team needs into account.
2) He said "Providence was a mess until this year and as far as I am concerned" So I was simply pointing out they clearly Providence wasn't a mess until this year since they had made the tournament the 2 year prior to that hardly a mess. And it seemed odd to talk about another program being a mess when they've been out performed by that program since the start of the new BE. Yes Marquette is much better if you go back beyond these 3 years and Providence has out performed Georgetown recently as well.
3) My whole point was you cannot compare the two because they're in different categories of schools. One's a national university the other is a regional one. That being said I think it's more impressive to be one of the best at what you do rather than mediocre at what you do.
4) I am an unapologetic homer for my team and I do think we'll bounce back in a big way next year. Not 1 seed material mind you ;) but we'll be an NCAA team.
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The local take on Maryland recruiting Gill
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/with-lg-gill-in-town-maryland-basketball-again-tries-to-go-the-transfer-route/2016/05/06/ea900f46-1325-11e6-93ae-50921721165d_story.html
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I am an unapologetic homer for my team and I do think we'll bounce back in a big way next year. Not 1 seed material mind you ;) but we'll be an NCAA team.
And you should be. The Big East needs Georgetown and Marquette to return to form.
Hoya Saxa!
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3) My whole point was you cannot compare the two because they're in different categories of schools. One's a national university the other is a regional one. That being said I think it's more impressive to be one of the best at what you do rather than mediocre at what you do.
So you think it's better to consistently be the 2nd best team in the Sun Belt Conference (those schools are looking to compete for a conference championship and not a national title) than to take 5th in the BE (mediocre for a team looking to compete nationally)?
Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
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So you think it's better to consistently be the 2nd best team in the Sun Belt Conference (those schools are looking to compete for a conference championship and not a national title) than to take 5th in the BE (mediocre for a team looking to compete nationally)?
Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
A well made point.
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So you think it's better to consistently be the 2nd best team in the Sun Belt Conference (those schools are looking to compete for a conference championship and not a national title) than to take 5th in the BE (mediocre for a team looking to compete nationally)?
Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
Not really a good analogy since there is an implied gulf in quality between the BE and the Sunbelt that doesn't exist between National and Regional Universities.
In addition, I would word/imagine it like this. Which is accomplishing their goals better? The 2nd best team has no intention of wining the national championship. Their goal is to win their conference which they likely do fairly often being the consistently second best team in their conference. Meanwhile the 5th best team in the BE's goal is to win the National Championship and they likely never reach their goal or even come close to it, perhaps they achieve their goal once in a lifetime. Objectively the 5th best BE team (the mid level national university) is better by certain measures say research grants, but the 2nd best Sunbelt team (the regional university) is better at achieving their goals perhaps providing a liberal arts education. Is it better to try and compete with the big boys and fail or to stay in your wheel house and succeed.
THAT BEING SAID I DO NOT WANT THIS TO BE AN ATTACK ON MARQUETTE WHICH IS A VERY GOOD EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION. JUST SAYING THE PROVIDENCE IS A VERY GOOD EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION TOO WHILE THE ORIGINAL POSTER IMPLIED MARQUETTE WAS CLEARLY BETTER.
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It is.
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It is.
And, we got the best friggin chili on the planet.
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HSB, I've got to admit that I like your input. I'm just wondering, given that I have trouble keeping up with one site, do you follow and or contribute to this extent on all the BE boards?
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Not really a good analogy since there is an implied gulf in quality between the BE and the Sunbelt that doesn't exist between National and Regional Universities.
In addition, I would word/imagine it like this. Which is accomplishing their goals better? The 2nd best team has no intention of wining the national championship. Their goal is to win their conference which they likely do fairly often being the consistently second best team in their conference. Meanwhile the 5th best team in the BE's goal is to win the National Championship and they likely never reach their goal or even come close to it, perhaps they achieve their goal once in a lifetime. Objectively the 5th best BE team (the mid level national university) is better by certain measures say research grants, but the 2nd best Sunbelt team (the regional university) is better at achieving their goals perhaps providing a liberal arts education. Is it better to try and compete with the big boys and fail or to stay in your wheel house and succeed.
THAT BEING SAID I DO NOT WANT THIS TO BE AN ATTACK ON MARQUETTE WHICH IS A VERY GOOD EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION. JUST SAYING THE PROVIDENCE IS A VERY GOOD EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION TOO WHILE THE ORIGINAL POSTER IMPLIED MARQUETTE WAS CLEARLY BETTER.
So creighton is number 1 regional Midwest, they're better than providence by your logic right? Also Marquette isn't Georgetown unless you're in the PT or Nursing programs, we get that but when you say "try to compete with the big boys and fail" it certainly does come off as an attack. Especially when there are programs at MU that blow those same programs at say Georgetown, out of the water.
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You can get an education at Providence that will benefit you throughout life. Just like Marquette. Whatever Young decides in that regards, he will be set up just fine.
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You can get an education at Providence that will benefit you throughout life. Just like Marquette. Whatever Young decides in that regards, he will be set up just fine.
I agree with this analysis.
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HSB, I've got to admit that I like your input. I'm just wondering, given that I have trouble keeping up with one site, do you follow and or contribute to this extent on all the BE boards?
I'm a huge procrastinator and talking basketball is more fun than studying for medical school. My apologies to my future patients. 8-)
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You can get an education at Providence that will benefit you throughout life. Just like Marquette. Whatever Young decides in that regards, he will be set up just fine.
Yep. And the argument about which is "better" is so subjective that it becomes meaningless. The better school for a given individual is often very different from the school that is perceived as better by others, because everybody's preferences, aptitudes, goals and needs are different. As long as you go to a good school (and Marquette and Providence are both good schools), the bigger issue is what you make of the opportunities you have.
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Yep. And the argument about which is "better" is so subjective that it becomes meaningless. The better school for a given individual is often very different from the school that is perceived as better by others, because everybody's preferences, aptitudes, goals and needs are different. As long as you go to a good school (and Marquette and Providence are both good schools), the bigger issue is what you make of the opportunities you have.
in the end, these decisions are almost always about BB (or FB or whatever). Most of these schools will provide a quality education.
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Yep. And the argument about which is "better" is so subjective that it becomes meaningless. The better school for a given individual is often very different from the school that is perceived as better by others, because everybody's preferences, aptitudes, goals and needs are different. As long as you go to a good school (and Marquette and Providence are both good schools), the bigger issue is what you make of the opportunities you have.
Yes that was my point all along.
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Means we will lose one or two games we would have won. Could very well be the difference between post-season or not. Wojo's seat isn't necessarily any hotter now, but I think it might start taking more effort to keep it cool.
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Means we will lose one or two games we would have won. Could very well be the difference between post-season or not. Wojo's seat isn't necessarily any hotter now, but I think it might start taking more effort to keep it cool.
Gill I could see having enough of an impact next season to give us 1 or 2 extra wins. Kalif Young? I really don't think so.
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Gill I could see having enough of an impact next season to give us 1 or 2 extra wins. Kalif Young? I really don't think so.
Yeah, I mean we'll never know, but it doesn't take much (a guy at 6'9" get the d-reb that a guy at 6'6" doesn't get, and they put it back in for the W). Esp. Since one of our two bigs is so injury prone. I agree this wasn't about going from a dumpster fire to a final fourth berth and I hope it's a non-issue but I just foresee a lot of games next year where we shoot the lights out but come up short on the boards (and/or have no answer for an offensive player on the block) and we end up on the wrong side. Hope I'm wrong and should be a fun team to watch regardless!
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Means we will lose one or two games we would have won.
This is a complete unknown but you say it with such certainty.
Maybe Young in the lineup would have cost us a game or two we would have won because he would have made key mistakes.
Maybe his absence will cost us 10 wins.
Nobody knows! Don't pretend you do.
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IMO, one of the reasons Young went to PC was more immediate playing time. Looking at the MU roster, he may not have seen a lot of minutes.
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Why waste time. He's gone. Let's move on. We want young men who want to play for Marquette.
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IMO, one of the reasons Young went to PC was more immediate playing time. Looking at the MU roster, he may not have seen a lot of minutes.
Our roster right now has 12 players - two centers, three point guards and seven 2/3s. Zero 4s. So nobody at his position, no real competition. Maybe one of our 2/3s would have been a better 4 than him, but if that's true it means he isn't ready to play in the Big East - at MU or Providence.
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This is a complete unknown but you say it with such certainty.
Maybe Young in the lineup would have cost us a game or two we would have won because he would have made key mistakes.
Maybe his absence will cost us 10 wins.
Nobody knows! Don't pretend you do.
The obvious two games are our games against Providence. My guess is that he makes no difference in those two games. Providence is the only Big East team Wojo owns.
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Who runs an offense any more with two post players in at the same time? KR, SC, JJ, HC, SA, SH will all be competing for time at the big wing positions.
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Who runs an offense any more with two post players in at the same time? KR, SC, JJ, HC, SA, SH will all be competing for time at the big wing positions.
No. Arguably our two best returning players are staying almost exclusively at the 2/3 and commanding a minimum 55 of those available 80 minutes. Hanni isn't playing a minute at the #1 and he's not playing a minute at the #4. I suppose there's a scenario where JJ slides up for a few minutes but I trust Wojo wants to avoid that as much as possible. Each other other 4 you mention will be given the opportunity with starter minutes going to Reinhardt.
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Our roster right now has 12 players - two centers, three point guards and seven 2/3s. Zero 4s. So nobody at his position, no real competition. Maybe one of our 2/3s would have been a better 4 than him, but if that's true it means he isn't ready to play in the Big East - at MU or Providence.
He's not. Which is exactly why I'm not losing sleep over this.
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Yeah, I mean we'll never know, but it doesn't take much (a guy at 6'9" get the d-reb that a guy at 6'6" doesn't get, and they put it back in for the W). Esp. Since one of our two bigs is so injury prone. I agree this wasn't about going from a dumpster fire to a final fourth berth and I hope it's a non-issue but I just foresee a lot of games next year where we shoot the lights out but come up short on the boards (and/or have no answer for an offensive player on the block) and we end up on the wrong side. Hope I'm wrong and should be a fun team to watch regardless!
Sure we will. He's going to a team we'll play at least twice next year, a team that has immediate minutes at the 4 available, and a team most of us will watch more than the 2/3 times MU plays them. If he has an impact for PC (or PU to him) it's not a stretch he'd have an impact for us. But i think those who believe, as a late bloomer, he will be more of an impact in years 3 and 4 are closer to right.
That being said - I hope he is a pain in our side in a couple of years under the "a strong BE is good for us" clause
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Hanni isn't playing a minute at the #1
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