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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Disco Hippie on April 27, 2016, 09:41:07 AM
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Is anyone concerned about the fact that MU has missed it's Freshmen enrollment goal for 2 years running, so much so that an entire wing of O'Donnell was closed this past academic year, and that they need to accept nearly 75% of all applicants just to yield a class size large enough not to have to lay people off? The reason I bring this up is because I recently became aware of a high school senior in the northeast for whom MU is still their first choice, but their parents saw that MU's acceptance rate was 75% last year according to Princeton Review and now they have serious reservations about sending their daughter there, even though they acknowledge MU is a very good fit. It should come as no surprise that one parent's alma mater is an Ivy and although the other parent isn't an ivy alum, they also graduated from a northeastern elite ivy caliber school. I realize the offspring of northeastern elitist snobs aren't MU's primary constituency, and I don't know these people personally.....another alum friend of mind who lives near these folks told me about this, but it's definitely disappointing. Other than hoping WOJO gets us competitive again, which isn't going to happen anytime soon, what is the administration doing to rectify this situation? I realize MU isn't Harvard or Stanford, or even BC or GTOWN but if that 75% figure is accurate, that's embarrassing and is going have a serious impact on our ranking. Thoughts?
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Is anyone concerned about the fact that MU has missed it's Freshmen enrollment goal for 2 years running, so much so that an entire wing of O'Donnell was closed this past academic year, and that they need to accept nearly 75% of all applicants just to yield a class size large enough not to have to lay people off? The reason I bring this up is because I recently became aware of a high school senior in the northeast for whom MU is still their first choice, but their parents saw that MU's acceptance rate was 75% last year according to Princeton Review and now they have serious reservations about sending their daughter there, even though they acknowledge MU is a very good fit. It should come as no surprise that one parent's alma mater is an Ivy and although the other parent isn't an ivy alum, they also graduated from a northeastern elite ivy caliber school. I realize the offspring of northeastern elitist snobs aren't MU's primary constituency, and I don't know these people personally.....another alum friend of mind who lives near these folks told me about this, but it's definitely disappointing. Other than hoping WOJO gets us competitive again, which isn't going to happen anytime soon, what is the administration doing to rectify this situation? I realize MU isn't Harvard or Stanford, or even BC or GTOWN but if that 75% figure is accurate, that's embarrassing and is going have a serious impact on our ranking. Thoughts?
Where are you getting your statistics? It depends on the college and/or major as to what the acceptance rate is. Some of the colleges have less than 50% acceptance rates by my understanding.
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Anybody that decides not to attend a college that is their "first choice" and "a very good fit" because their acceptance rate is too high is a moron.
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The application process has changed drastically.
I applied to three schools for undergrad: 2 front runners...UW-Madison and Marquette, and 1 backup..St. Norbert College. I got in to all 3 and picked MU. This was 12 years ago. I completed the written applications by hand, with applications snail mailed to admissions offices. To be frank, it was a pain in the neck.. which is why I only applied to three schools.
Kids today are applying to 20+ schools, most of which use the same common application. All you have to do is keep checking boxes for which schools you want, and the entire process is online. I think schools are still figuring out the right acceptance formula under the new model. MU might have had a couple years of miscalculations, but it doesn't sound like the long-term viability of the school is in jeopardy.
And I agree with Sultan, anyone who bases their decision on that metric, when everything else about the school is a great fit, is a moron.
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Is anyone concerned about the fact that MU has missed it's Freshmen enrollment goal for 2 years running, so much so that an entire wing of O'Donnell was closed this past academic year, and that they need to accept nearly 75% of all applicants just to yield a class size large enough not to have to lay people off? The reason I bring this up is because I recently became aware of a high school senior in the northeast for whom MU is still their first choice, but their parents saw that MU's acceptance rate was 75% last year according to Princeton Review and now they have serious reservations about sending their daughter there, even though they acknowledge MU is a very good fit. It should come as no surprise that one parent's alma mater is an Ivy and although the other parent isn't an ivy alum, they also graduated from a northeastern elite ivy caliber school. I realize the offspring of northeastern elitist snobs aren't MU's primary constituency, and I don't know these people personally.....another alum friend of mind who lives near these folks told me about this, but it's definitely disappointing. Other than hoping WOJO gets us competitive again, which isn't going to happen anytime soon, what is the administration doing to rectify this situation? I realize MU isn't Harvard or Stanford, or even BC or GTOWN but if that 75% figure is accurate, that's embarrassing and is going have a serious impact on our ranking. Thoughts?
Don't focus too much on acceptance rate. Here's two reasons why.
First, if a school has a good reputation--which MU certainly does in, say, a 6-hour radius of Milwaukee--its acceptance rate will be higher than it otherwise would be. If "bad" high school students are aware that a school is a very good school, then they will not waste their time, money, and effort in applying because they believe that they will be rejected anyway. Thus, they do not apply. And thus, these "bad" students do not show up in the sample data used to calculate the acceptance rate. In other words, MU's acceptance rate could be so high because it only has "good" students applying.
Second, the acceptance rate is easy to manipulate. School admin may be hellbent on rising in the USWNR. School admin is aware of point 1 above. How does school admin respond, given point 1 above? The admin will waive application fees for students who are "bad" students. By 'bad' here I mean students who are just below the cusp of the GPA-SAT/ACT index threshold required for acceptance. In addition to waiving application fees, the admin will send colorful brochures about the school to these "bad" students. Why? To give these bad students the impression that they actually have a shot at getting in. And hey, why not, it's free to apply! Nothing to lose! The student applies, is rejected, and the schools acceptance rate is boosted, fooling people like your friends who are looking at colleges for their child.
Let me illustrate the second point with a concrete example. Suppose that Billy takes the SAT and scores in the 70th percentile. Suppose further that he has a 3.6 GPA from a good-but-not-great public high school in upstate New York.
Billy looks up the average SAT and GPA of Rochester, Syracuse, and some SUNY schools. He notices that the average SAT percentile at Rochester is 80 and the average GPA is 3.75. This is the highest of the schools that he is considering. And, of course, Rochester is the "Harvard of upstate New York." Alas, Billy doesn't apply to Rochester.
But behold. What's that? An e-mail? A rochester.edu tag? Rochester sends him a personalized e-mail, encouraging him to apply. "Wow" Billy utters to himself. "Maybe I do have a shot. And they'll waive the $60 application fee." Rochester knows that Billy doesn't have a shot at getting acceptance. Billy applies. Billy is rejected. Billy (artificially) boosts Rochester's acceptance rate. His compensation for this favor is a glossy Rochester brochure, a souvenir to remember his temporary, false hope. Rochester fools your friends into sending their child there.
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I know that Marquette has a very low enrollment rate, which partially explains the high acceptance rate. But as a parent, I would be more concerned with the incoming class profile and placement rates than I ever would about acceptance/enrollment rates.
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Things I would be concerned about:
Fit. Fit. Fit. Your kids can be comfortable at any number of schools. If they can't see themselves succeeding at those places, that is where they first cut off should be regardless of other factors. Remember that Marquette is an urban school in a midwestern city.
Quality of the program they are interested in. Not only what is their placement rate, but who recruits there and who hires from there? What graduate schools do your graduates attend? Too many people focus on the incoming indicators and not the outgoing ones.
Cost. Self explanatory.
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Anybody that who decides not to attend a college, that which is their "first choice" and "a very good fit", because their acceptance rate is too high is a moron.
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Marquette is a private school with a high sticker price. That fact alone is going to limit the number of kids that apply.
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MU has moved away from a model that sought 20,000+ applications which yielded roughly 11,000 acceptances to garner a class of about 1900-1950. Decided it was inefficient. Far more targeted today. So they're only seeking out kids likely to actually be accepted. We'll see how this new approach works. MU lags its competition both in terms of comparable merit based scholarships AND outright recruiting of candidates following the offer of admission. You older guys wouldn't believe the direct solicitation that goes on these days for top kids.
MU's class profile has remained quite consistent over the last several years. It is true that last year's Frosh class was a bit smaller at about 1850. I do not have numbers for the current class but have heard 'on target' and 'cautiously optimistic' as recently as a few weeks ago. Note that Marquette takes this all very seriously as the pool each year, especially in the upper Midwest, is shrinking.
BTW, go back sometime and look at the early 1990's stats. Those were tough times indeed. Again, thanks for leading us out of the wilderness Fr. Wild.
One more quick addition. For those who think that successful basketball doesn't impact enrollment I've got some cranberry bog swampland to sell you.
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BTW, go back sometime and look at the early 1990's stats. Those were tough times indeed. Again, thanks for leading us out of the wilderness Fr. Wild.
glow
What was going on in the early 90s that impacted MU admissions/enrollments?
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Don't focus too much on acceptance rate. Here's two reasons why.
First, if a school has a good reputation--which MU certainly does in, say, a 6-hour radius of Milwaukee--its acceptance rate will be higher than it otherwise would be. If "bad" high school students are aware that a school is a very good school, then they will not waste their time, money, and effort in applying because they believe that they will be rejected anyway. Thus, they do not apply. And thus, these "bad" students do not show up in the sample data used to calculate the acceptance rate. In other words, MU's acceptance rate could be so high because it only has "good" students applying.
Second, the acceptance rate is easy to manipulate. School admin may be hellbent on rising in the USWNR. School admin is aware of point 1 above. How does school admin respond, given point 1 above? The admin will waive application fees for students who are "bad" students. By 'bad' here I mean students who are just below the cusp of the GPA-SAT/ACT index threshold required for acceptance. In addition to waiving application fees, the admin will send colorful brochures about the school to these "bad" students. Why? To give these bad students the impression that they actually have a shot at getting in. And hey, why not, it's free to apply! Nothing to lose! The student applies, is rejected, and the schools acceptance rate is boosted, fooling people like your friends who are looking at colleges for their child.
Let me illustrate the second point with a concrete example. Suppose that Billy takes the SAT and scores in the 70th percentile. Suppose further that he has a 3.6 GPA from a good-but-not-great public high school in upstate New York.
Billy looks up the average SAT and GPA of Rochester, Syracuse, and some SUNY schools. He notices that the average SAT percentile at Rochester is 80 and the average GPA is 3.75. This is the highest of the schools that he is considering. And, of course, Rochester is the "Harvard of upstate New York." Alas, Billy doesn't apply to Rochester.
But behold. What's that? An e-mail? A rochester.edu tag? Rochester sends him a personalized e-mail, encouraging him to apply. "Wow" Billy utters to himself. "Maybe I do have a shot. And they'll waive the $60 application fee." Rochester knows that Billy doesn't have a shot at getting acceptance. Billy applies. Billy is rejected. Billy (artificially) boosts Rochester's acceptance rate. His compensation for this favor is a glossy Rochester brochure, a souvenir to remember his temporary, false hope. Rochester fools your friends into sending their child there.
I got something like that from Harvard because my dad is an Alum. I did not apply and would have been rejected so justly had I.
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Let me illustrate the second point with a concrete example. Suppose that Billy takes the SAT and scores in the 70th percentile. Suppose further that he has a 3.6 GPA from a good-but-not-great public high school in upstate New York.
Billy looks up the average SAT and GPA of Rochester, Syracuse, and some SUNY schools. He notices that the average SAT percentile at Rochester is 80 and the average GPA is 3.75. This is the highest of the schools that he is considering. And, of course, Rochester is the "Harvard of upstate New York." Alas, Billy doesn't apply to Rochester.
But behold. What's that? An e-mail? A rochester.edu tag? Rochester sends him a personalized e-mail, encouraging him to apply. "Wow" Billy utters to himself. "Maybe I do have a shot. And they'll waive the $60 application fee." Rochester knows that Billy doesn't have a shot at getting acceptance. Billy applies. Billy is rejected. Billy (artificially) boosts Rochester's acceptance rate. His compensation for this favor is a glossy Rochester brochure, a souvenir to remember his temporary, false hope. Rochester fools your friends into sending their child there.
This practice is incredibly dishonest. And all to satisfy an arbitrary metric developed by a news magazine.
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keefe, I'd say 2 things. Dahmer and crappy basketball over an extended period.
Couple that with some really outdated facilities with the exception of the then new AMU. Plus remember that MKE was really struggling following de-industrialization in the 80's.
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glow
What was going on in the early 90s that impacted MU admissions/enrollments?
Bob Dukiet.
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keefe, I'd say 2 things. Dahmer and crappy basketball over an extended period.
Couple that with some really outdated facilities with the exception of the then new AMU. Plus remember that MKE was really struggling following de-industrialization in the 80's.
Also Marquette was still recruiting from the same basic schools it always had been (Catholic high schools from the midwest) without realizing that many of those kids weren't as interested as in previous generations in attending Catholic universities.
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This practice is incredibly dishonest. And all to satisfy an arbitrary metric developed by a news magazine.
Yep. You know what school has absolutely perfected ratings manipulation and has seen its profile skyrocket as a result? Washington University in St. Louis.
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LOL, thanks keefe for the ironic laugh at my grammar.
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Yep. You know what school has absolutely perfected ratings manipulation and has seen its profile skyrocket as a result? Washington University in St. Louis.
It's kind of like the Pac-12 and MWC in RPI rankings
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Again, I'm going to sing Bob Wild's praises here. In the early 1990s, Marquette was on life support. Milwaukee was still in a major downturn so MU's historic Frosh class that had probably been 60% southeast WI kids wasn't really available anymore. At the same time, he inherited a campus that looked almost exactly like the place that you old farts who graduated in 1975 were familiar with (minus some of the bars), just worn down another 20 years. He also instinctively knew that he had to attract far more kids from the upper middle class suburbs surrounding Chicago. But he had nothing to sell other than a still good Jesuit name. Oh yeah, and he had the legacy of some guy named Jeff who had horrified all of us just off campus in 1991. That had a lasting impact on enrollment for several years.
So what did he do? For one thing, he went out and raised a crap ton of money on the power of his personality so he could build a modern campus. It started with Raynor library. So when those modestly more well to do kids who could actually afford Marquette showed up for a tour, perky young guides had something to show off.
Second, he rejected DiUlio's 'basketball isn't very important' model knowing full well that it served as the front porch for the university's new nationwide recruiting effort. That also cost a ton of money he needed to raise and remains the operative model today.
Third, he invested heavily in campus security so suburban moms wouldn't be too afraid to leave their daughters. He rejected the 'SLU wall' concept believing than 'young men and women for others' should strive to improve the neighborhood and community. And today practically no kid graduates without having done significant community service work. My own taught underprivileged kids to read and showed them the joys of nature in after school park programs having nothing to do with their majors. Both extended their service well beyond Milwaukee helping folks in New Orleans and New York City recover from disaster.
We all owe Fr. Wild a lot.
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Middle of da road, hey?
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glow
What was going on in the early 90s that impacted MU admissions/enrollments?
Dahmer, for one thing.
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Again, I'm going to sing Bob Wild's praises here. In the early 1990s, Marquette was on life support. Milwaukee was still in a major downturn so MU's historic Frosh class that had probably been 60% southeast WI kids wasn't really available anymore. At the same time, he inherited a campus that looked almost exactly like the place that you old farts who graduated in 1975 were familiar with (minus some of the bars), just worn down another 20 years. He also instinctively knew that he had to attract far more kids from the upper middle class suburbs surrounding Chicago. But he had nothing to sell other than a still good Jesuit name. Oh yeah, and he had the legacy of some guy named Jeff who had horrified all of us just off campus in 1991. That had a lasting impact on enrollment for several years.
So what did he do? For one thing, he went out and raised a crap ton of money on the power of his personality so he could build a modern campus. It started with Raynor library. So when those modestly more well to do kids who could actually afford Marquette showed up for a tour, perky young guides had something to show off.
Second, he rejected DiUlio's 'basketball isn't very important' model knowing full well that it served as the front porch for the university's new nationwide recruiting effort. That also cost a ton of money he needed to raise and remains the operative model today.
Third, he invested heavily in campus security so suburban moms wouldn't be too afraid to leave their daughters. He rejected the 'SLU wall' concept believing than 'young men and women for others' should strive to improve the neighborhood and community. And today practically no kid graduates without having done significant community service work. My own taught underprivileged kids to read and showed them the joys of nature in after school park programs having nothing to do with their majors. Both extended their service well beyond Milwaukee helping folks in New Orleans and New York City recover from disaster.
We all owe Fr. Wild a lot.
DiUlio I don't think had a "basketball is not important" mentality. Dukiet had already been run out of town when he got into office, and we moved from the Horizon to the Great Midwest to Conference USA when he was here.
And he also deserves a lot of credit in addressing the problems of the neighborhood.
http://marquettewire.org/9011/ae/latest-issue/our-greatest-tradition/
"Rather than uproot Marquette’s campus or erect a wall around the premises, DiUlio enlisted a former classmate, LeSage, to help him with his vision to rejuvenate the area by creating Campus Circle in 1991. To curb the decline in applications as quickly as possible, “A ‘quick and dirty’ assessment was made of all properties in terms of value, rehabilitation costs and potential,” the Bruner Award document stated.
In the winter of 1992, Campus Circle began acquiring properties in a “decaying” 90 square-block area contiguous to the university to develop student housing, commercial property and low-cost housing for local residents.
As of 1995, Campus Circle had already purchased over 150 properties, owned $50 million in real estate value, built or renovated 153 units of new student housing and acquired 88,000 square-feet of commercial space."
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DiUlio I don't think had a "basketball is not important" mentality. Dukiet had already been run out of town when he got into office, and we moved from the Horizon to the Great Midwest to Conference USA when he was here.
And he also deserves a lot of credit in addressing the problems of the neighborhood.
http://marquettewire.org/9011/ae/latest-issue/our-greatest-tradition/
"Rather than uproot Marquette’s campus or erect a wall around the premises, DiUlio enlisted a former classmate, LeSage, to help him with his vision to rejuvenate the area by creating Campus Circle in 1991. To curb the decline in applications as quickly as possible, “A ‘quick and dirty’ assessment was made of all properties in terms of value, rehabilitation costs and potential,” the Bruner Award document stated.
In the winter of 1992, Campus Circle began acquiring properties in a “decaying” 90 square-block area contiguous to the university to develop student housing, commercial property and low-cost housing for local residents.
As of 1995, Campus Circle had already purchased over 150 properties, owned $50 million in real estate value, built or renovated 153 units of new student housing and acquired 88,000 square-feet of commercial space."
"Campus Circle" is essentially what brought about Campus Town apartments and retail, right?
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Yes.
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Cudahy Hall also opened before Wild arrived, along with Campus Town, so the transition had started. Wild picked it and took it to a whole new level.
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Not embarrassed.
Not concerned.
Not even giving it a second more thought than it takes for me to finish typing this and hit "Post."
Go Marquette!
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Dahmer, for one thing.
I graduated in 1991. Found out after graduation that he would have walked past my apartment on Kilbourn everyday on his way to the chocolate factory. Snikes!!!
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Was he inta transgender cats, hey?
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I graduated in 1991. Found out after graduation that he would have walked past my apartment on Kilbourn everyday on his way to the chocolate factory. Snikes!!!
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4365972/holy-schnikes-o.gif)
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I graduated in 1991. Found out after graduation that he would have walked past my apartment on Kilbourn everyday on his way to the chocolate factory. Snikes!!!
My junior year, I lived at 24th and Wells, kitty-corner from Midget Tavern.
Dahmer was about a block and a half away.
Thankfully, he never invited me over for dinner!
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keefe, I'd say 2 things. Dahmer and crappy basketball over an extended period.
Couple that with some really outdated facilities with the exception of the then new AMU. Plus remember that MKE was really struggling following de-industrialization in the 80's.
Because I was overseas so much during those pre-internet years that I didn't have the full sight picture of Marquette. My wife often went back and was active in the University so I know that there was tremendous concern about PPE and environmentals but didn't realize the situation was that grave.
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LOL, thanks keefe for the ironic laugh at my grammar.
It was a gentle poke at irony and not the messenger!
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The number of 18-24 year olds is declining as the Millenial bump peaks...but more will have to seek college degrees as there are less middle class jobs. The problem, unlike with Millenials, is these will be/are more and more first generation minority students who don't have wealthy and highly educated Boomers as parents.. With overall supply dwindling, and more aspiring to higher education, acceptance rates will rise. Costs will need to be controlled.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/28/us-projects-college-enrollment-grow-14-through-2022
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Because I was overseas so much during those pre-internet years that I didn't have the full sight picture of Marquette. My wife often went back and was active in the University so I know that there was tremendous concern about PPE and environmentals but didn't realize the situation was that grave.
keefe, I trust you we're flying critical support missions supporting our men on the ground. Thanks again for your service.
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What year is it? People care about acceptance rates?
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Is anyone concerned about the fact that MU has missed it's Freshmen enrollment goal
The capitalization is one thing, but... you using it's instead of its is more troubling than acceptance rates at MU.
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“I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.”
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Interesting thread with a lot of valid points. Still, a 75% acceptance rate if true is way too high. One of the main goals in the strategic plan that was issued a couple of years ago was for MU to be ranked among the top 25% of National Universities in USNWR. A ranking of 68 or lower in the National category would put them there so given that MU's ranking has fluctuated between the high 70's to mid 80's over the past 10 years, that seems like a reasonable goal. I just don't see how they get there if they continue to admit 7.5 out of every 10 that apply. Rightly or wrongly, how difficult a particular college is to get into apparently carriies more weight in national rankings than how effective a job they do in actually educating their students. It seems to me that MU talks a big game, but at the end of the day is unwilling (or unable) to play it and is a little too comfortable with their lot in the US higher education landscape. Get over It MU!
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Still haven't seen a source for that 75% figure.
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Still haven't seen a source for that 75% figure.
Pretty sure the source is his screenname
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Still haven't seen a source for that 75% figure.
According to the USN@WR profile, it was 66.7% in 2014.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/marquette-university-3863
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As much as I enjoyed my time at MU, I am not sure I would make MU my first recommendation for my kids or family. It mostly depends on what degree they would seek since I think the business school and engineering school offers valuable access to Milwaukee internships and the payout of the career makes it worth the tuition. As for students looking into teaching/communications, I would probably push for UW or a hyphen. It just isn't worth paying that much for a career that will take you 20 years to pay off the debt. I love MU but I'm also realistic it isn't that much better than the other cheaper options. Am I only in this? Anyone have a different viewpoint?
(Disclaimer: Yes, there is a lot to be said for the Jesuit culture, enjoying college, and that plenty of Comm majors get high paying jobs. I wouldn't discourage anyone from coming to MU, but I just don't think it is always the best decision. A lot of times when I look at my student loans I regret not taking a different path.)
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As much as I enjoyed my time at MU, I am not sure I would make MU my first recommendation for my kids or family. It mostly depends on what degree they would seek since I think the business school and engineering school offers valuable access to Milwaukee internships and the payout of the career makes it worth the tuition. As for students looking into teaching/communications, I would probably push for UW or a hyphen. It just isn't worth paying that much for a career that will take you 20 years to pay off the debt. I love MU but I'm also realistic it isn't that much better than the other cheaper options. Am I only in this? Anyone have a different viewpoint?
(Disclaimer: Yes, there is a lot to be said for the Jesuit culture, enjoying college, and that plenty of Comm majors get high paying jobs. I wouldn't discourage anyone from coming to MU, but I just don't think it is always the best decision. A lot of times when I look at my student loans I regret not taking a different path.)
No, you're not the only one. Not even close. My son is a freshman and didn't even consider Marquette. He only went to a private college because he got a great deal that made it fairly cost competitive with some state schools here in Ohio. He understood that if they wouldn't have come through with the money, he was going to Miami (which is a great school -- so is OSU). My daughter is only going to the school she is going to attend because of the money offered. Unless there is significant financial aid involved and/or a very special program, I have a really hard time justifying the cost of private schools. I don't see the value. I told my kids that what I did to my parents -- travel across country to get a fairly generic degree at a private school with no financial aid -- was unconscionable. I loved (and still love) Marquette. I met my wife there and it is a huge part of who I am. But I don't think it makes a lot of sense anymore with costs being what they are.
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As much as I enjoyed my time at MU, I am not sure I would make MU my first recommendation for my kids or family. It mostly depends on what degree they would seek since I think the business school and engineering school offers valuable access to Milwaukee internships and the payout of the career makes it worth the tuition. As for students looking into teaching/communications, I would probably push for UW or a hyphen. It just isn't worth paying that much for a career that will take you 20 years to pay off the debt. I love MU but I'm also realistic it isn't that much better than the other cheaper options. Am I only in this? Anyone have a different viewpoint?
(Disclaimer: Yes, there is a lot to be said for the Jesuit culture, enjoying college, and that plenty of Comm majors get high paying jobs. I wouldn't discourage anyone from coming to MU, but I just don't think it is always the best decision. A lot of times when I look at my student loans I regret not taking a different path.)
You're not alone. I love MU, loved my time at MU, loved the people I met at MU and the lasting relationships and friendships that came out of it.
I have a good paying job and the debt I took on certainly wasn't life-altering. It didn't keep me from getting a mortgage or living my life. But sometimes I still wonder if the cost was worth it, not just in the student loans, but also in the amount of money my parents put up, even though they were willing to do that. I still carry a bit of guilt around about that. My parents aren't in the poor house, but I know there was some sacrifice.
I don't think there's any chance my kids will go to MU, unless they can somehow manage substantial scholarships (not just the regular Ignatius). I would not encourage someone to take on that kind of debt, even if it was in a lucrative field like engineering.
This is going to be a huge problem for schools like Marquette in the years to come. There has been massive waste in non-academic spending in recent decades, IMO, and raising tuition to cover it is not sustrightble. The amount spent on things like resident hall directors, campus activities, administrative and support staff will need to change. When these people are getting paid more than the adjunct professors actually teaching your classes, there are real structural problems with the model.
Money should be spent on professors, research, and academic resources. Students are adults. They don't need Bingo at the Annex or movies at Varsity Theater.
Marquette is a good school, but it is not a good value. That is a problem.
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which is a great school -- so is OSU
This is so wrong. So very wrong...And here I always thought you were a rather clever man...
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As much as I enjoyed my time at MU, I am not sure I would make MU my first recommendation for my kids or family. It mostly depends on what degree they would seek since I think the business school and engineering school offers valuable access to Milwaukee internships and the payout of the career makes it worth the tuition. As for students looking into teaching/communications, I would probably push for UW or a hyphen. It just isn't worth paying that much for a career that will take you 20 years to pay off the debt. I love MU but I'm also realistic it isn't that much better than the other cheaper options. Am I only in this? Anyone have a different viewpoint?
(Disclaimer: Yes, there is a lot to be said for the Jesuit culture, enjoying college, and that plenty of Comm majors get high paying jobs. I wouldn't discourage anyone from coming to MU, but I just don't think it is always the best decision. A lot of times when I look at my student loans I regret not taking a different path.)
A co-worker of mine has a son graduating HS next month. His dad was telling me how he applied to Michigan State, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan; the first three accepted him, Becky wait-listed, and Michigan rejected. He ultimately decided on MSU. I asked why, and the response was along the lines of they have a good business school that just cracked the top 20. I inquired further as to why not Kelley (a much better business school), and he said it felt too far away from home (his sister also goes to MSU). I could sense the frustration in my co-worker's voice as he kept falling back on how MSU has a good business school and it was a good fit for his major.
Me: "What does he want to study?"
"He's leaning towards real estate."
Me: "Did he look at Marquette? MU's undergrad real estate program is top 10 nationally."
"No, he didn't even consider Marquette. I think he also wanted to look at finance or investment banking."
Me: "Well, Marquette's applied investment management program is top 5 in the nation. In fact, both of those programs have a 100% placement rate."
At this point, my co-worker was speechless. I don't know if he didn't realize that MU had elite-level programs in RE and AIM or if he was just frustrated that his kid didn't even look at a school that seemed to be a perfect fit geographically and academically.
"Actually, it's understandable," I said, sarcastically. "An urban campus can be really scary for white kids from the suburbs."
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This is so wrong. So very wrong...And here I always thought you were a rather clever man...
Just to be clear -- I think it's a very good school. But I hate it and pretty much everything that it stands for. I'm not sure I'd forbid my kids from going there. But I'm also not sure I wouldn't.
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Just to be clear -- I think it's a very good school. But I hate it and pretty much everything that it stands for. I'm not sure I'd forbid my kids from going there. But I'm also not sure I wouldn't.
Which Ohio State University are you talking about? The Ohio State University?
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Which Ohio State University are you talking about? The Ohio State University?
No, THE Ohio State University
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No, THE Ohio State University
Actually, if you ask people around here, it would probably be THE Ohio State University. Subtle distinction, but necessary to give an accurate picture of how they feel about themselves.
Honestly, it's kind of amazing the transformation that has occurred in the 25 years since I moved here. When I got here, OSU was a fairly typical state school that accepted pretty much everyone. Now, if a kid wants to get accepted directly to the Columbus campus, he or she better have a pretty good HS resume. Every year I talk to people around my age who aren't aware of the change and are surprised to learn that kids are getting rejection letters from OSU (or are getting funneled to OSU Mansfield).
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Anyone have any commentary about the OP and the claim that "an entire wing of O'Donnell was closed"?
I have a foggy memory about that .. renovations?
Or is his suggestion true, that we have a small class this year?
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Anyone have any commentary about the OP and the claim that "an entire wing of O'Donnell was closed"?
I have a foggy memory about that .. renovations?
Or is his suggestion true, that we have a small class this year?
Opening right back up next year. Nothing to see there.
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OSU Mansfield
Ohio named a campus after her?
(http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/04/jayne-mansfield-1.jpg)
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Ohio named a campus after her?
(http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/04/jayne-mansfield-1.jpg)
Now that'd be a mascot I could get behind.
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Now that'd be a mascot I could get behind.
Literally?
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According to the USN@WR profile, it was 66.7% in 2014.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/marquette-university-3863
I think Acceptance Rate is a key measurement of selectivity. But one needs to look more closely at the data.
If I look at local schools I see that UDub has an acceptance rate of 55.2% but that includes kids getting into the Bothell and Tacoma campuses. The actual rate for the main campus is much lower for the Seattle flagship.
The rates for the state's two Jesuit universities approximates Marquette's - Seattle U at 73.4% and Gonzaga at 67.5%.
Within the B1G both Northwestern and Michigan have significantly lower rates than all the other conference schools.
And on the east coast, the Ivies and Little Ivies are all under 20%
While Acceptance Rates might not be a crucial statistic for those already matriculating it is certainly meaningful for consumers as the ARs align with public perception of academic reputation.
At the end of the day, whether we care to admit it or not, ARs are a key indicator of exclusivity. A maxim of branding is to create then nurture a sense of singular differentiation.
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Literally?
In every way.
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Anyone have any commentary about the OP and the claim that "an entire wing of O'Donnell was closed"?
I have a foggy memory about that .. renovations?
Or is his suggestion true, that we have a small class this year?
OD will be closed next school year and was not full this year. It's not entirely clear if it will be renovated or ultimately torn down. There are ongoing discussions about new student housing. One of the sites under consideration is the land west of 17th. Plans are not complete of final so many options remain. Hope that gives you enough.
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OD will be closed next school year and was not full this year. It's not entirely clear if it will be renovated or ultimately torn down. There are ongoing discussions about new student housing. One of the sites under consideration is the land west of 17th. Plans are not complete of final so many options remain. Hope that gives you enough.
I heard pretty definitely that it wasn't gonna be torn down. Obviously there's a lot of time where that can change and I'm sure you're more well connected than I am, so who knows.
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I heard pretty definitely that it wasn't gonna be torn down. Obviously there's a lot of time where that can change and I'm sure you're more well connected than I am, so who knows.
It's certainly the lean NOT to tear down as I hear it's structurally good. I'd expect a major remodel while they have the chance. You really can't do too much over a summer.
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OD will be closed next school year and was not full this year. It's not entirely clear if it will be renovated or ultimately torn down.
For the love of dear God say it isn't so!!!
There are a lot of precious memories contained within those walls...
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A co-worker of mine has a son graduating HS next month. His dad was telling me how he applied to Michigan State, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan; the first three accepted him, Becky wait-listed, and Michigan rejected. He ultimately decided on MSU. I asked why, and the response was along the lines of they have a good business school that just cracked the top 20. I inquired further as to why not Kelley (a much better business school), and he said it felt too far away from home (his sister also goes to MSU). I could sense the frustration in my co-worker's voice as he kept falling back on how MSU has a good business school and it was a good fit for his major.
Me: "What does he want to study?"
"He's leaning towards real estate."
Me: "Did he look at Marquette? MU's undergrad real estate program is top 10 nationally."
"No, he didn't even consider Marquette. I think he also wanted to look at finance or investment banking."
Me: "Well, Marquette's applied investment management program is top 5 in the nation. In fact, both of those programs have a 100% placement rate."
At this point, my co-worker was speechless. I don't know if he didn't realize that MU had elite-level programs in RE and AIM or if he was just frustrated that his kid didn't even look at a school that seemed to be a perfect fit geographically and academically.
"Actually, it's understandable," I said, sarcastically. "An urban campus can be really scary for white kids from the suburbs."
Thats super cool how you talk down to your coworkers like that. Sounds like the guy wasn't even seeking input on a decision that had already been made.
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So .. what's the class size right now? Up or down, historically?
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So .. what's the class size right now? Up or down, historically?
The day to ask this question is May 2.
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Incorrect. More accurately, the first day of class in August, ai na?
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The day to ask this question is May 2.
How about the answer from May 2, 2015?
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Incorrect. More accurately, the first day of class in August, ai na?
Do you count the ones who didn't fill out their paperwork?
The hanging chads of college admissions...
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See this is odd weird to me because my year (c/o 2015) was the biggest in Marquette history. When we were Freshman in 2011-12 my floor in McCormick had the common room converted to quads until October. I wouldn't worry too much about OD not being used. They have many more rooms since they converted Humphrey into a dorm.
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Thats super cool how you talk down to your coworkers like that. Sounds like the guy wasn't even seeking input on a decision that had already been made.
I apologize. I thought I made it pretty clear that my co-worker was struggling with the decision, be it the decision his kid made or the decision he made to allow his kid to make the decision. I wasn't giving him input, I was throwing gas on the fire.
And personally, I do think it's super cool how I talk down to my co-workers... if you knew that I worked in an office with a bunch of Wisconsin and Notre Dame alums, you'd probably think so too.
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And personally, I do think it's super cool how I talk down to my co-workers... if you knew that I worked in an office with a bunch of Wisconsin and Notre Dame alums, you'd probably think so too.
Benny just doing gods work
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Benny just doing gods work
At this point, I'm not sure that Benny isn't some form of god and/or the god.
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How about the answer from May 2, 2015?
http://www.marquette.edu/about/student-demographics.php
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See this is odd weird to me because my year (c/o 2015) was the biggest in Marquette history. When we were Freshman in 2011-12 my floor in McCormick had the common room converted to quads until October. I wouldn't worry too much about OD not being used. They have many more rooms since they converted Humphrey into a dorm.
They've been doing that for years. In 2004 (my freshman year) all the McCormick lounges were converted to Quads for the whole year AND they had 30 guys in the Hilton.
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They've been doing that for years. In 2004 (my freshman year) all the McCormick lounges were converted to Quads for the whole year AND they had 30 guys in the Hilton.
I mean, like the Hilton Hilton or the Motel 6 Hilton? Or, inside Paris Hilton?
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I mean, like the Hilton Hilton or the Motel 6 Hilton? Or, inside Paris Hilton?
The Hilton Hilton, although I'm sure Paris had 30 guys in her too.
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The Hilton Hilton, although I'm sure Paris had 30 guys in her too.
The real Hilton? Hell's Bells. I recall thinking that Schroeder seemed like the Taj Mahal after a year in the round vomitorium that is McCormick.
I will never forget the look on my mother's face the first, and only, time she visited our digs after moving off campus between Wells and State. I am not sure if it was the mountain of dirty dishes, the hand me down and looted decor package, the stench of spilled beer and bong water tinged with a cloying hint of eau de wet dog, or the orange shag carpet that sounded like a bowl of rice crispies as you glided across its hardened crust that made her most uncomfortable.
I think we convened a 'Resident Summit' to discuss how to prepare the place for unexpected parent visits but couldn't agree if bongs on the cable spool tables and the collection of bras tacked to the wall posed a threat to parental approval.
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For the love of dear God say it isn't so!!!
There are a lot of precious memories contained within those walls...
And also on those walls...
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Ohio named a campus after her?
(http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/04/jayne-mansfield-1.jpg)
Wowzers.
Thanks to Scoop, I have been able to put a face to a name for Raquel Welch and now Jane Mansfield. I had heard the name never knew what she looked like.
Any other 1960s beauties that I should be aware of?
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Here is a factoid that not everyone knows. She is the mother of Mariska Hargitay, the chick on Law & Order SVU.
(http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015816/rs_634x1024-150916133334-634.Mariska-Hargitay-SVU.13.ms.091615.jpg)
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For the love of dear God say it isn't so!!!
There are a lot of precious memories contained within those walls...
And in the bushes across the street. The hell with May.
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Here is a factoid that not everyone knows. She is the mother of Mariska Hargitay, the chick on Law & Order SVU.
She also holds such beauty pageant titles as:
Miss Analgesin
Miss Fill-er-up
Hot Dog Ambassador
Miss Freeway
I'm not joking... Look it up.
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And also on those walls...
(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Vladimir-Putin-Clapping.gif)
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Ohio named a campus after her?
(http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/04/jayne-mansfield-1.jpg)
Lost her head, aiinnaa?
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Is anyone concerned about the fact that MU has missed it's Freshmen enrollment goal for 2 years running, so much so that an entire wing of O'Donnell was closed this past academic year, and that they need to accept nearly 75% of all applicants just to yield a class size large enough not to have to lay people off? The reason I bring this up is because I recently became aware of a high school senior in the northeast for whom MU is still their first choice, but their parents saw that MU's acceptance rate was 75% last year according to Princeton Review and now they have serious reservations about sending their daughter there, even though they acknowledge MU is a very good fit. It should come as no surprise that one parent's alma mater is an Ivy and although the other parent isn't an ivy alum, they also graduated from a northeastern elite ivy caliber school. I realize the offspring of northeastern elitist snobs aren't MU's primary constituency, and I don't know these people personally.....another alum friend of mind who lives near these folks told me about this, but it's definitely disappointing. Other than hoping WOJO gets us competitive again, which isn't going to happen anytime soon, what is the administration doing to rectify this situation? I realize MU isn't Harvard or Stanford, or even BC or GTOWN but if that 75% figure is accurate, that's embarrassing and is going have a serious impact on our ranking. Thoughts?
Yes I am concerned because it once again demonstrates the incompetence of Dr. Lovell. One of the key measures US News looks at is percentage acceptance. Look at how Northeastern University, which is no where near the school we are, has moved up in US News due to conscious manipulation of these stats.
I have been working hard to promote MU to people in the northeast like your friends. They need to be able to go to their cocktail parties and proudly proclaim their kids are going to MU. In order to do that we need to be seen at the very least as a Big Ten equivalent academically and more in the direction of Georgetown academically. The lacrosse program is actually helping quite a bit as that is a sport of kids who go to better public schools and private schools.
Perceptions are what matter with snobby northeast elitists if you want to get them to pony up their money.
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Yes I am concerned because it once again demonstrates the incompetence of Dr. Lovell. One of the key measures US News looks at is percentage acceptance. Look at how Northeastern University, which is no where near the school we are, has moved up in US News due to conscious manipulation of these stats.
I have been working hard to promote MU to people in the northeast like your friends. They need to be able to go to their cocktail parties and proudly proclaim their kids are going to MU. In order to do that we need to be seen at the very least as a Big Ten equivalent academically and more in the direction of Georgetown academically. The lacrosse program is actually helping quite a bit as that is a sport of kids who go to better public schools and private schools.
Perceptions are what matter with snobby northeast elitists if you want to get them to pony up their money.
I'm glad we don't cater towards those families. Don't want that sort of attitude anywhere near campus.
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Agreed. I have no interest in Marquette manipulating data to cater to people like that.
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Yes I am concerned because it once again demonstrates the incompetence of Dr. Lovell. One of the key measures US News looks at is percentage acceptance. Look at how Northeastern University, which is no where near the school we are, has moved up in US News due to conscious manipulation of these stats.
I have been working hard to promote MU to people in the northeast like your friends. They need to be able to go to their cocktail parties and proudly proclaim their kids are going to MU. In order to do that we need to be seen at the very least as a Big Ten equivalent academically and more in the direction of Georgetown academically. The lacrosse program is actually helping quite a bit as that is a sport of kids who go to better public schools and private schools.
Perceptions are what matter with snobby northeast elitists if you want to get them to pony up their money.
Excellent point! We should cut our acceptance rate by 30%. I look forward to your annual multimillion dollar donations to accommodate that loss in tuition. Can't believe Lovell hasn't thought of that.
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Understand from very reliable sources that this year's Frosh class exceeds 2000 at this point. Will be a little melt but every reason to expect that last year's class of about 1825 was an anomaly. Good news.
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OH NOES!!!!
That can't be good for the acceptance rate!! Doesn't Lovell know that it would be better to have a class of 1,500 so the east coast elites pay more attention to us???
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DiUlio I don't think had a "basketball is not important" mentality. Dukiet had already been run out of town when he got into office, and we moved from the Horizon to the Great Midwest to Conference USA when he was here.
And he also deserves a lot of credit in addressing the problems of the neighborhood.
http://marquettewire.org/9011/ae/latest-issue/our-greatest-tradition/
"Rather than uproot Marquette’s campus or erect a wall around the premises, DiUlio enlisted a former classmate, LeSage, to help him with his vision to rejuvenate the area by creating Campus Circle in 1991. To curb the decline in applications as quickly as possible, “A ‘quick and dirty’ assessment was made of all properties in terms of value, rehabilitation costs and potential,” the Bruner Award document stated.
In the winter of 1992, Campus Circle began acquiring properties in a “decaying” 90 square-block area contiguous to the university to develop student housing, commercial property and low-cost housing for local residents.
As of 1995, Campus Circle had already purchased over 150 properties, owned $50 million in real estate value, built or renovated 153 units of new student housing and acquired 88,000 square-feet of commercial space."
I was also a classmate of Fr. Dulio, know him fairly well, and remember that when he was president of Xavier, prior to M.U., he built their basketball program.
He never missed a game when he was a student at M.U., he was/is an avid fan and supporter of college basketball.
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And in the bushes across the street. The hell with May.
Doing it in the bushes at Marquette is dangerous most of the school year. Gives new meaning to both "chapped ass" and "hydrogen embrittlement"...
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I missed this thread earlier, but as far as I can see the entire premise is completely false. As far as I can see, and I could be wrong and am open to correction, Marquette's acceptance rate is 66.7%, a far cry from the 75%+ claimed by the thread starter.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/marquette-university-3863
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I missed this thread earlier, but as far as I can see the entire premise is completely false. As far as I can see, and I could be wrong and am open to correction, Marquette's acceptance rate is 66.7%, a far cry from the 75%+ claimed by the thread starter.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/marquette-university-3863
66.7 or 75%??
The difference between f#cking embarrassing and f#cking shameful. If Marquette is accepting 2/3 or 3/4 of all applicants it means they have no standards. If Marquette wants to be seen as elite it needs to start acting accordingly. Taking all comers hardly communicates exclusivity.
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Another trick that N.D. would use was a high list price and many scholarships for small amounts like $500 which would draw a lot of applications looking for a scholarship.
There is a lot of trick marketing used in college admissions.
In my view the important decision criteria should be how graduate school admissions rate the diploma of an institution. Some diplomas are worthless no matter what the acceptance rate is on the front end.
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66.7 or 75%??
The difference between f#cking embarrassing and f#cking shameful. If Marquette is accepting 2/3 or 3/4 of all applicants it means they have no standards. If Marquette wants to be seen as elite it needs to start acting accordingly. Taking all comers hardly communicates exclusivity.
Did you mean to use teal?
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Did you mean to use teal?
Probably not. The Jesuits' mission is to educate the elite, so the acceptance rate is indeed out of whack.
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Recent experience, grandson of a friend, applied to M.U. and Purdue engineering. I called admissions on his behalf, he was on the waiting list. He never got accepted by M.U. so he went to Perdue, his first choice was Marquette as he had a brother in Chicago.
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Recent experience, grandson of a friend, applied to M.U. and Perdue engineering. I called admissions on his behalf, he was on the waiting list. He never got accepted by M.U. so he went to Perdue, his first choice was Marquette as he had a brother in Chicago.
He must have really been an idiot. Marquette takes just about everyone.
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This thread has covered a number of admission topics including both the size and composition of the recent Frosh entry classes. Bottom line, the typical Freshman has been pretty stable (class rank, HS GPA, ACT score) over several years (call it about 10) and while enrollment dipped somewhat in 2015, that appears to be an anomaly based on the 2016 incoming class. In fact, I believe but am not certain that the 2014 class might have been near an all time record so overall things appear very strong. I only restarted this to pass along that info. What I've indicated above might enable folks to skip some pages here.
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Recent experience, grandson of a friend, applied to M.U. and Perdue engineering. I called admissions on his behalf, he was on the waiting list. He never got accepted by M.U. so he went to Perdue, his first choice was Marquette as he had a brother in Chicago.
The Chicken AgriBusiness?
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Did you mean to use teal?
Not at all. Taking the significant majority of applicants diminishes the brand.
But as we both know, numbers alone don't tell the complete story. If Marquette recruiting is nailing acquisition in its target demographic then the numbers would be appropriate. And that is what neither of us know to be fact.
So, taken alone as an arbitrary stat, that high of an acceptance rate suggests a lower entry threshold. But again, we don't know the composition of those accepted.
What it does underscore is just how silly is the USNWR heuristic model. At the end of the day reputations are forged over years and validated in society through the contributions of those who were graduated.
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Agree with you 100% keefe.
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Why should the acceptance rate even be a thing? What does it really tell you about the quality of an institution that the average GPA, class rank, and college board score of accepted students doesn't?
If a school has similar stats to Marquette, but has a lower acceptance rate, what that tells me is that they are wasting time and money marketing to students who don't have a chance of getting in.
Are you telling me that it would be better for Marquette to have a acceptance rate of 25% and an average ACT score of enrolled students of 25 than if their rate was 65% with an average ACT score of 29?
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Understand from very reliable sources that this year's Frosh class exceeds 2000 at this point. Will be a little melt but every reason to expect that last year's class of about 1825 was an anomaly. Good news.
I wonder if the Illinois state budget issues play a role in that. With MAP grants looking unlikely, more students may look out of state.
Loyola has a massive class incoming, and it's believed some is due to the instability at state institutions.
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Why should the acceptance rate even be a thing? What does it really tell you about the quality of an institution that the average GPA, class rank, and college board score of accepted students doesn't?
If a school has similar stats to Marquette, but has a lower acceptance rate, what that tells me is that they are wasting time and money marketing to students who don't have a chance of getting in.
Are you telling me that it would be better for Marquette to have a acceptance rate of 25% and an average ACT score of enrolled students was 25 than if their rate was 65% with an average ACT score of 29?
That's the biggest way schools drive down their rate. By playing with the denominator. Washington university in St. Louis is typical of what schools do. Blanket applications to tons of students. Make the process real simple and free.
Now it's obviously a quality school but their acceptance rate has nothing to do with it.
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That's the biggest way schools drive down their rate. By playing with the denominator. Washington university in St. Louis is typical of what schools do. Blanket applications to tons of students. Make the process real simple and free.
Now it's obviously a quality school but their acceptance rate has nothing to do with it.
That's exactly my point. And the further towards the top an institution is, the less accurate the acceptance rate would be in determining exclusivity. For example, Harvard has an acceptance rate of 5%. But that's only among students who think that they have an actual shot at getting in. In reality. far less than 1% of high school seniors meet the standards to get into Harvard. On the other end, a low-regarded state school that accepts 90% of their students would indeed accept around 90% of the high school seniors in the U.S.
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At the end of the day reputations are forged over years and validated in society through the contributions of those who were graduated.
True dat. And Chicos is getting really freakin' tired about carrying the school's entire reputation on his back.
The rest of us need to step it up!
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Marquette us never gonna be an Ivy or Northwestern. Anywayd, the overall scool acceptance rate shouldn't be an issue it's the individual programs that really matter. I mean hell, the PT program is 9th in the entire nation. That's elite.
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True dat. And Chicos is getting really freakin' tired about carrying the school's entire reputation on his back.
The rest of us need to step it up!
Well done 82. I was thinking a line like that was overdue and you beat me to it!
HA. I just realized that MU's alum pool just got 'altered' this weekend. I'll let you know if jsglow jr. raisers or lowers the overall profile!
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Well done 82. I was thinking a line like that was overdue and you beat me to it!
HA. I just realized that MU's alum pool just got 'altered' this weekend. I'll let you know if jsglow jr. raisers or lowers the overall profile!
Oh definitely raises it, but that just ends up offsetting me lowering the profile.
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The Chicken AgriBusiness?
Hah... I saw that and thought to myself how sad it is that being a chicken plucker is now a safety net for Marquette applicants.
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Reinstate the FFP and be done with it. The Poet has moved on and so should MU (back to our roots). Leave the Elitism to those on Rockville Pike.
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66.7 or 75%??
The difference between f#cking embarrassing and f#cking shameful. If Marquette is accepting 2/3 or 3/4 of all applicants it means they have no standards. If Marquette wants to be seen as elite it needs to start acting accordingly. Taking all comers hardly communicates exclusivity.
You're not wrong. I wouldn't mind MU getting to the point where they are more selective than they are currently, but the difference between 66.7 and 75% is the difference between being considered a "more selective" university or a "selective" one like Duquesne. It is a significant difference.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/duquesne-university-3258
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Reinstate the FFP and be done with it. The Poet has moved on and so should MU (back to our roots). Leave the Elitism to those on Rockville Pike.
No FFP No Goose.
Scoop is a better place because of that. Nuff said.
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That's exactly my point. And the further towards the top an institution is, the less accurate the acceptance rate would be in determining exclusivity. For example, Harvard has an acceptance rate of 5%. But that's only among students who think that they have an actual shot at getting in. In reality. far less than 1% of high school seniors meet the standards to get into Harvard. On the other end, a low-regarded state school that accepts 90% of their students would indeed accept around 90% of the high school seniors in the U.S.
Unless I missed it the yield has not be discussed. You cannot discuss the acceptance rate with discussing the yield in tandem.
The yield is the percentage of accepted kids that actually enroll. Harvard is the highest at 80%, meaning 1 in 5 accepted go elsewhere.
Many schools are well under 50%, some under 25%. So they have to accept 200% to 400% percent the size of their freshman class to fill it out (versus 120% for Harvard).
To get the acceptance rate down MU has to get its yield up. Anyone know what MU's yield is?
Hate to say it but MU has a very good plan to get its yield up ... blowing up McCormick and building a new spiffy freshman dorm. (I say "hate to say it" because it does come down to these type of factors in deciding where to go the school.)
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Unless I missed it the yield has not be discussed. You cannot discuss the acceptance rate with discussing the yield in tandem.
The yield is the percentage of accepted kids that actually enroll. Harvard is the highest at 80%, meaning 1 in 5 accepted go elsewhere.
Many schools are well under 50%, some under 25%. So they have to accept 200% to 400% percent the size of their freshman class to fill it out (versus 120% for Harvard).
To get the acceptance rate down MU has to get its yield up. Anyone know what MU's yield is?
Hate to say it but MU has a very good plan to get its yield up ... blowing up McCormick and building a new spiffy freshman dorm. (I say "hate to say it" because it does come down to these type of factors in deciding where to go the school.)
Chick just started a thread on the number of deposits they got, and it was more than planned. So I assume their yield was slightly higher than expected.
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Unless I missed it the yield has not be discussed. You cannot discuss the acceptance rate with discussing the yield in tandem.
The yield is the percentage of accepted kids that actually enroll. Harvard is the highest at 80%, meaning 1 in 5 accepted go elsewhere.
Many schools are well under 50%, some under 25%. So they have to accept 200% to 400% percent the size of their freshman class to fill it out (versus 120% for Harvard).
To get the acceptance rate down MU has to get its yield up. Anyone know what MU's yield is?
Hate to say it but MU has a very good plan to get its yield up ... blowing up McCormick and building a new spiffy freshman dorm. (I say "hate to say it" because it does come down to these type of factors in deciding where to go the school.)
Heisty, your numbers are super high. The number of schools that get to a 50% acceptance rate is quite low and mostly includes the Ivys and some small colleges that essentially 'hand pick' their tiny incoming class. As far as I know, only U of C in the Midwest achieves that threshold. The vast majority have acceptance rates well below 25% as the average college bound kid applies to between 5 and 10 universities, a number that increases every year. Frankly, Marquette's new targeted approach seems to be paying dividends. So instead of getting 23,000 apps, handing out 11,000 acceptances and (last year) getting only 1825 Frosh, they have tailored their recruiting. I don't have exact numbers yet but the results are positive. We already know that this year's incoming class is currently approaching 2050.
Here's what I measure. Top 10%, ACT, and class size. If those remain strong, it's all good.
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How much does MU spend per student? Anyone know?
As 'yield rates' fluctuate, colleges work to protect reputations
http://college.usatoday.com/2015/02/07/as-yield-rates-fluctuate-colleges-work-to-protect-reputations/
In recent years, universities have found it challenging to boost their yield, as students apply to more schools per admission cycle, which can increase their options when it’s time to make a decision. A 2011 Noel-Levitz report on undergraduate enrollment trends shows that private universities spend about $2,185 per student in recruitment.
Mollie Berg, a junior at the University of Southern California, says she applied to 23 colleges and universities her senior year of high school because the process seemed like a “random lottery system” to her.
“The college application process felt so competitive and the decisions so arbitrary that I had no idea which schools I would actually get accepted into,” she says. “I felt like I had no idea what colleges were looking for.”
After receiving 14 acceptances, Berg says she had “big decisions to make” when it came time to narrow down her picks.
While the gifts universities sent her didn’t determine which school she’d enroll in, Berg says it gave her a glimpse as to what attending those universities might be like. Tulane gave her a shirt, and the University of California at San Diego sent a 3D acceptance letter that she says put the school ahead of the UCLA. On a visit to New York University, Berg says admitted students received shirts “10 times your size” and attended a short tour with speakers she couldn’t relate to.
“Before applying and being accepted to schools, NYU was actually always one of my top choices, but they did a lousy job pampering and welcoming students to the school compared to USC,” Berg says. She says USC “rolled out the red carpet” for admitted students, giving them a specialized tour of both the entire campus and their school within USC, alongside a series of “incredible, relatable” speakers and presentations.
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The Chicken AgriBusiness?
That's why I retired. Purdue, even proof reading does not help.
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That's why I retired. Purdue, even proof reading does not help.
Just pulling your drumstick ;)
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Marketing to fickle H.S. seniors is very challenging, not to mention their parents.
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Heisty, your numbers are super high. The number of schools that get to a 50% acceptance rate is quite low and mostly includes the Ivys and some small colleges that essentially 'hand pick' their tiny incoming class. As far as I know, only U of C in the Midwest achieves that threshold. The vast majority have acceptance rates well below 25% as the average college bound kid applies to between 5 and 10 universities, a number that increases every year. Frankly, Marquette's new targeted approach seems to be paying dividends. So instead of getting 23,000 apps, handing out 11,000 acceptances and (last year) getting only 1825 Frosh, they have tailored their recruiting. I don't have exact numbers yet but the results are positive. We already know that this year's incoming class is currently approaching 2050.
Here's what I measure. Top 10%, ACT, and class size. If those remain strong, it's all good.
You are correct, only 25 schools have a yield above 50%
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2016-01-25/national-universities-where-students-are-eager-to-enroll
Some of interest ....
Chicago has a 9% acceptance rate and a 60%
http://chicagomaroon.com/2015/04/14/record-low-acceptance-rate-as-applicant-numbers-increase/
Northwestern has a 10% acceptance rate and a 45% yield
http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2013/05/lets-hear-it-for-the-class-of-2017.html
Wisconsin has a 68% acceptance rate and a 40% yield.
https://colleges.niche.com/university-of-wisconsin/admissions/
Notre Dame has a 21% admit rate and a 53% yield
http://ndsmcobserver.com/2014/08/class-2018-arrives-notre-dame/
Vilanova has a 49% acceptance rate and a 23% yield
https://colleges.niche.com/villanova-university/admissions/
Depaul has a 60% admit rate and 20% yield
https://colleges.niche.com/depaul-university/statistics/
Georgetown has a 48% yield
http://www.thehoya.com/admissions-yield-dips-for-2018/
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Walter, you worked way harder on that than I was willing to!
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Looks like Ms. Mollie Berg figured it out, she wanted to be in control and not let the helter-skelter admissions process be the driver of her life. Good for her.
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Here is what the numbers are for Marquette
https://colleges.niche.com/marquette-university/statistics/
Acceptance rate 57%
Yield Rate, 15%
MU's acceptance rate is lower the UW and Depaul (meaning it is more selective) and not far behind Nova.
But MU's yield rate is far lower at 15%.
As noted above the average school is spending $2,100 per Freshman to recruit them into the school? Is MU spending that much? I'm going to guess they are not spending near $2,100 per freshman on recruiting accepted kids. If they spent more on recruiting accepted kids (as opposed to begging alumni to pitch the school to them) they could get their yield rate up. If they could get it to 20%, the acceptance rate can drop to 45% Get the yield to 25% the acceptance rate can drop under 40%.
So MU wants to get up the US news ranking ...
For accepted kids Do they (or they should)
* free basketball tickets
* personal letters
* personal calls
* swag = shirts, hats etc.
* social media reach-out.
* recent alumni take them to lunch
* special campus tours for them
Can anyone detail what MU's accepted students recruiting is?
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Heisty, your numbers are super high. The number of schools that get to a 50% acceptance rate is quite low and mostly includes the Ivys and some small colleges that essentially 'hand pick' their tiny incoming class. As far as I know, only U of C in the Midwest achieves that threshold. The vast majority have acceptance rates well below 25% as the average college bound kid applies to between 5 and 10 universities, a number that increases every year. Frankly, Marquette's new targeted approach seems to be paying dividends. So instead of getting 23,000 apps, handing out 11,000 acceptances and (last year) getting only 1825 Frosh, they have tailored their recruiting. I don't have exact numbers yet but the results are positive. We already know that this year's incoming class is currently approaching 2050.
Here's what I measure. Top 10%, ACT, and class size. If those remain strong, it's all good.
It's great that deposits are up! My understanding from speaking with several well placed sources within the institution is that the new tailored recruiting approach resulted in significantly fewer applications to the tune of almost 10K. That's a huge decrease, and while this new strategy is obviously paying dividends in terms of yield, our already high acceptance rate must have increased even more. I agree with everyone that acceptance rate is a superficial metric that isn't reflective of a school's overall quality but fair or not, it's still very important and the most visible metric in a school'ss profile. Of all the stats in USNWR, that's the one that's front and center. All I'm saying is I hope the admin recognizes that this is a delicate balance and while enrollment stability is obviously very important, they also need to take into consideration the potentially negative impact that such a high acceptance rate will have on our ranking. Given their refusal to publish it on the strategic planning dashbaord, some in the admin obviously recognize this. It would be nice though it it weren't so high that they would be ashamed to publish it.
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Here is what the numbers are for Marquette
https://colleges.niche.com/marquette-university/statistics/
Acceptance rate 57%
Yield Rate, 15%
MU's acceptance rate is lower the UW and Depaul (meaning it is more selective) and not far behind Nova.
But MU's yield rate is far lower at 15%.
As noted above the average school is spending $2,100 per Freshman to recruit them into the school? Is MU spending that much? I'm going to guess they are not spending near $2,100 per freshman on recruiting accepted kids. If they spent more on recruiting accepted kids (as opposed to begging alumni to pitch the school to them) they could get their yield rate up. If they could get it to 20%, the acceptance rate can drop to 45% Get the yield to 25% the acceptance rate can drop under 40%.
So MU wants to get up the US news ranking ...
For accepted kids Do they (or they should)
* free basketball tickets
* personal letters
* personal calls
* swag = shirts, hats etc.
* social media reach-out.
* recent alumni take them to lunch
* special campus tours for them
Can anyone detail what MU's accepted students recruiting is?
There is one conference basketball game a year that all accepted students are invited to. The year my son was a senior, it was the Georgetown game - the first time they tried the "I believe that we will win" chant and it worked perfectly. We also won.
Can they get in trouble with the NCAA by giving out swag? I know that they have to be careful about that with any high school and junior high students on other things like that.
I do think they need to do more personal outreach by the University. Some schools recruited chick jr. and glow jr. really hard. They each had admissions counselors that called them so often that we knew them on a first-name basis. One school even had the dean of their college of communications call glow jr. It made them feel like elite athletes.
From Marquette, crickets. Wouldn't it be great if Marquette went after top students they way they go after top basketball players?
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There is one conference basketball game a year that all accepted students are invited to. The year my son was a senior, it was the Georgetown game - the first time they tried the "I believe that we will win" chant and it worked perfectly. We also won.
Can they get in trouble with the NCAA by giving out swag? I know that they have to be careful about that with any high school and junior high students on other things like that.
I do think they need to do more personal outreach by the University. Some schools recruited chick jr. and glow jr. really hard. They each had admissions counselors that called them so often that we knew them on a first-name basis. One school even had the dean of their college of communications call glow jr. It made them feel like elite athletes.
From Marquette, crickets. Wouldn't it be great if Marquette went after top students they way they go after top basketball players?
Not sure what the status is, but there is definitely an effort underway to drive that type of activity within the admissions office. The issue is one of data. Identifying the top talent can be hit or miss depending on your channel to those students. Universities with a strong logistics chain to scout then target top talent are already targeting, but MU doesn't have that kind of structure (largely volunteered/untrained recruiters in the field). The question is, how do you identify the top talent without spending a ton of money in the traditional logistic effort to gather data? If you go traditional, your acquisition costs go way up which doesn't help. They are hoping to get the data more simply but that means getting behind some sort of data standard which isn't happening as quickly as everyone would like.
It's really not that different than companies trying to recruit college students to full time roles....how do you identify who the good ones are so you can go win them.
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Not sure what the status is, but there is definitely an effort underway to drive that type of activity within the admissions office. The issue is one of data. Identifying the top talent can be hit or miss depending on your channel to those students. Universities with a strong logistics chain to scout then target top talent are already targeting, but MU doesn't have that kind of structure (largely volunteered/untrained recruiters in the field). The question is, how do you identify the top talent without spending a ton of money in the traditional logistic effort to gather data? If you go traditional, your acquisition costs go way up which doesn't help. They are hoping to get the data more simply but that means getting behind some sort of data standard which isn't happening as quickly as everyone would like.
It's really not that different than companies trying to recruit college students to full time roles....how do you identify who the good ones are so you can go win them.
For my kids, the heavy recruiting started after they applied, so the schools already knew they were "top talent". They already had all of their info.
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Not sure what the status is, but there is definitely an effort underway to drive that type of activity within the admissions office. The issue is one of data. Identifying the top talent can be hit or miss depending on your channel to those students. Universities with a strong logistics chain to scout then target top talent are already targeting, but MU doesn't have that kind of structure (largely volunteered/untrained recruiters in the field). The question is, how do you identify the top talent without spending a ton of money in the traditional logistic effort to gather data? If you go traditional, your acquisition costs go way up which doesn't help. They are hoping to get the data more simply but that means getting behind some sort of data standard which isn't happening as quickly as everyone would like.
It's really not that different than companies trying to recruit college students to full time roles....how do you identify who the good ones are so you can go win them.
National Merit Finalists are known to universities, hey?
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For my kids, the heavy recruiting started after they applied, so the schools already knew they were "top talent". They already had all of their info.
That's true....but that assumes that students have already self selected into MU's bucket. So I agree they need to increase their effective outreach to those who've self identified but I think the larger issue is getting the top talent overall to self select in the first place.
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That's true....but that assumes that students have already self selected into MU's bucket. So I agree they need to increase their effective outreach to those who've self identified but I think the larger issue is getting the top talent overall to self select in the first place.
There are plenty of top students who apply to Marquette and wind up attending another school. I think accepted students would be the first place to start - and it would also increase the yield rate. Win-win.
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For my kids, the heavy recruiting started after they applied, so the schools already knew they were "top talent". They already had all of their info.
So which one of you and glow played the tim maymon role?
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My wife and I conducted interviews for other alma maters with prospective students which included evaluating the young person over dinner.
Believe it or not, these schools place great weight on the alumni interview. As one might expect, there is significant infrastructure in place to facilitate this effort.
One thing this does is it gives a local face for the student (and the parents) to connect with.
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So which one of you and glow played the tim maymon role?
I think in this case it was Tina Maymon...
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Here is what the numbers are for Marquette
Acceptance rate 57%
Yield Rate, 15%
Which means that the effective yield is 11%
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Here is what the numbers are for Marquette
https://colleges.niche.com/marquette-university/statistics/
Acceptance rate 57%
Yield Rate, 15%
MU's acceptance rate is lower the UW and Depaul (meaning it is more selective) and not far behind Nova.
But MU's yield rate is far lower at 15%.
As noted above the average school is spending $2,100 per Freshman to recruit them into the school? Is MU spending that much? I'm going to guess they are not spending near $2,100 per freshman on recruiting accepted kids. If they spent more on recruiting accepted kids (as opposed to begging alumni to pitch the school to them) they could get their yield rate up. If they could get it to 20%, the acceptance rate can drop to 45% Get the yield to 25% the acceptance rate can drop under 40%.
So MU wants to get up the US news ranking ...
For accepted kids Do they (or they should)
* free basketball tickets
* personal letters
* personal calls
* swag = shirts, hats etc.
* social media reach-out.
* recent alumni take them to lunch
* special campus tours for them
Can anyone detail what MU's accepted students recruiting is?
As I and others have noted above, acceptance rate is not the final statistic to look at. This holds true for yield as well. Not only can yield be manipulated by admin, but aside from that, it still doesn't get you apples to apples across institutions.
Off the cuff, I would guess that accepted MU kids likely turn down MU for Nwestern, Chicago, and Notre Dame, while accepted DePaul kids likely turn down DePaul for Illinois and possibly Loyola. The point that I am trying to make is that MU may still be more elite than DePaul despite having a lower yield by virtue of the fact that MU's closest peer institutions are more elite than DePaul's closest peer institutions.
Nova, for instance, is a very good school that competes locally with the likes of Penn, Haverford, Swarthmore, Brynn Mawr. Expanding a bit, it competes with Gtown, Johns Hopkins, etc. And so Nova's yield doesn't match it's prestige/level of eliteness.
As I see it, geographical-proximity-of-peers likely affects yield. A quick-and-dirty test of this hypothesis would be to look at the yields of Creighton and, Idk, say, Gonzaga. Creighton and Gonzaga are good schools that are relatively geographically isolated. My prediction, then, would be that you would see Creighton and Gonzaga with relatively higher yields, while a school like, say, Elon has a relatively low yield (has to compete with UNC, Wake, Duke). Again, not for a lack of prestige, but because its peers are very elite and very nearby.
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We have recent experience with the process, I have one child that just completed Sophomore year in college, and another that just finished Freshman year. We did a fair amount of college visits, I believe 10 schools for the first, and 8 more for the second, all of the schools in the Midwest, large, medium, and small enrollments. It's a very interesting, and fairly enjoyable process seeing the differences (academics, dorms, food, campus), and how each school goes about recruitment. I thought overall Marquette had a very professional, but still personable approach. Some of the smaller schools certainly did a better job with direct contact and personal follow up, enough so to develop personal (email/phone call/school visit) relationships, MU did not. But MU was very accommodating in regard to follow up questions, visits, and even allowing the the prospective students to sit in on some classes to get a better feel for the classroom environment. The yield piece obviously has many considerations, as not every kid is seeking the same things. Both of my kids were accepted to MU, one decided it was the right choice to pursue their goals, and one didn't, both enjoyed the process, and both had favorable opinions of MU. I believe they both applied and were accepted to 3 or 4 schools each. In the end, the "bling" is irrelevant, but don't be the one school that doesn't give out a t-shirt, that does leave an impression on the students. MU had t-shirts.
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Not sure what the status is, but there is definitely an effort underway to drive that type of activity within the admissions office. The issue is one of data. Identifying the top talent can be hit or miss depending on your channel to those students. Universities with a strong logistics chain to scout then target top talent are already targeting, but MU doesn't have that kind of structure (largely volunteered/untrained recruiters in the field). The question is, how do you identify the top talent without spending a ton of money in the traditional logistic effort to gather data? If you go traditional, your acquisition costs go way up which doesn't help. They are hoping to get the data more simply but that means getting behind some sort of data standard which isn't happening as quickly as everyone would like.
It's really not that different than companies trying to recruit college students to full time roles....how do you identify who the good ones are so you can go win them.
It I'm reading you right, you're talking about identifying kids to APPLY to MU.
I'm asking about the 11,000 that were accepted. We already have detailed data on the ... their application. So, what coordinated effort do we have to recruit these ALREADY ACCEPTED kids?
Chick's post above says what i thought too ... essentially nothing. If we put together an effort to identify the top students ALREADY ACCEPTED and reach out to these kids, I bet we could see immediate results in a higher yield.
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We have recent experience with the process, I have one child that just completed Sophomore year in college, and another that just finished Freshman year. We did a fair amount of college visits, I believe 10 schools for the first, and 8 more for the second, all of the schools in the Midwest, large, medium, and small enrollments. It's a very interesting, and fairly enjoyable process seeing the differences (academics, dorms, food, campus), and how each school goes about recruitment. I thought overall Marquette had a very professional, but still personable approach. Some of the smaller schools certainly did a better job with direct contact and personal follow up, enough so to develop personal (email/phone call/school visit) relationships, MU did not. But MU was very accommodating in regard to follow up questions, visits, and even allowing the the prospective students to sit in on some classes to get a better feel for the classroom environment. The yield piece obviously has many considerations, as not every kid is seeking the same things. Both of my kids were accepted to MU, one decided it was the right choice to pursue their goals, and one didn't, both enjoyed the process, and both had favorable opinions of MU. I believe they both applied and were accepted to 3 or 4 schools each. In the end, the "bling" is irrelevant, but don't be the one school that doesn't give out a t-shirt, that does leave an impression on the students. MU had t-shirts.
That's too bad MU didn't do follow-up calls. I used to volunteer to do that for accepted students. Admittedly I have been so busy the past couple years I have not done it recently.
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That's too bad MU didn't do follow-up calls. I used to volunteer to do that for accepted students. Admittedly I have been so busy the past couple years I have not done it recently.
I'm sorry I guess I probably mis-represented in that regard. Marquette did do followup calls, they were done by students presumably working for admissions asking "how was your visit, do you have any questions", at some point later there were more calls asking "will you take a short survey" about the process.
The difference for us was after visiting some other schools - smaller schools specifically - the person you met with was following up with calls and emails to both students and parents. They knew you personally, asked very specific questions, tried to set up dates for an overnight visit, reminders about scholarship exams or whatever. Over time you got to know these individuals and they really made it difficult to tell them you chose another path. This was very noticeable by the kids, the schools that required personal interviews were taken more seriously. In this regard MU was more generic, more anonymous, they didn't always have a specific name or face to connect with.
Once we decided on Marquette, we had specific questions about coursework - dual credit transfers etc, we realized we just didn't have a specific contact that we could talk to about it. We called the person listed as the Admissions Counselor, got passed around to 4 or 5 other people over a couple days. Long story short, really seemed impersonal and made you think a little bit about your choice once you got past the top layer of admissions.
I don't mean to complain, everything worked out. We love Marquette, it was just interesting how different schools handle recruiting/admissions process.
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I'm sorry I guess I probably mis-represented in that regard. Marquette did do followup calls, they were done by students presumably working for admissions asking "how was your visit, do you have any questions", at some point later there were more calls asking "will you take a short survey" about the process.
The difference for us was after visiting some other schools - smaller schools specifically - the person you met with was following up with calls and emails to both students and parents. They knew you personally, asked very specific questions, tried to set up dates for an overnight visit, reminders about scholarship exams or whatever. Over time you got to know these individuals and they really made it difficult to tell them you chose another path. This was very noticeable by the kids, the schools that required personal interviews were taken more seriously. In this regard MU was more generic, more anonymous, they didn't always have a specific name or face to connect with.
Once we decided on Marquette, we had specific questions about coursework - dual credit transfers etc, we realized we just didn't have a specific contact that we could talk to about it. We called the person listed as the Admissions Counselor, got passed around to 4 or 5 other people over a couple days. Long story short, really seemed impersonal and made you think a little bit about your choice once you got past the top layer of admissions.
I don't mean to complain, everything worked out. We love Marquette, it was just interesting how different schools handle recruiting/admissions process.
That would probably be quite valuable feedback to pass on to the office of admissions.
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Here is what the numbers are for Marquette
https://colleges.niche.com/marquette-university/statistics/
Acceptance rate 57%
Yield Rate, 15%
MU's acceptance rate is lower the UW and Depaul (meaning it is more selective) and not far behind Nova.
But MU's yield rate is far lower at 15%.
As noted above the average school is spending $2,100 per Freshman to recruit them into the school? Is MU spending that much? I'm going to guess they are not spending near $2,100 per freshman on recruiting accepted kids. If they spent more on recruiting accepted kids (as opposed to begging alumni to pitch the school to them) they could get their yield rate up. If they could get it to 20%, the acceptance rate can drop to 45% Get the yield to 25% the acceptance rate can drop under 40%.
So MU wants to get up the US news ranking ...
For accepted kids Do they (or they should)
* free basketball tickets
* personal letters
* personal calls
* swag = shirts, hats etc.
* social media reach-out.
* recent alumni take them to lunch
* special campus tours for them
Can anyone detail what MU's accepted students recruiting is?
The 57% acceptance rate figure is 3 yrs old. The year following, it was 66% according to USNWR, and if Princeton Review is to be believed, it was 74% last year.
http://www.princetonreview.com/schools/1022668/college/marquette-university
Out USNWR national ranking dropped from 75-86 in last 2 years despite MU improving in almost every other metric they measure except acceptance rate. Coincidence? I think not.
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The 57% acceptance rate figure is 3 yrs old. The year following, it was 66% according to USNWR, and if Princeton Review is to be believed, it was 74% last year.
http://www.princetonreview.com/schools/1022668/college/marquette-university
Out USNWR national ranking dropped from 75-86 in last 2 years despite MU improving in almost every other metric they measure except acceptance rate. Coincidence? I think not.
That tells you more about the absurdity of the metric more than anything.
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It I'm reading you right, you're talking about identifying kids to APPLY to MU.
I'm asking about the 11,000 that were accepted. We already have detailed data on the ... their application. So, what coordinated effort do we have to recruit these ALREADY ACCEPTED kids?
Chick's post above says what i thought too ... essentially nothing. If we put together an effort to identify the top students ALREADY ACCEPTED and reach out to these kids, I bet we could see immediate results in a higher yield.
My understanding from admissions is the concern is not in turning applied students into accepted, but in turning a higher quality of high school kids into applicants. They think they can get enough out of the applicant pool but they want to improve the quality of the applicants.
I'm not smart enough to know if that is a good idea or not, just reporting what I know
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First step in doin' dat is ta get da endowment up. Also, while we may say US News' rankin's don't mean chit, fact remains dat its a great marketin' tool and feather in a school's cap, to acheive a high number. Don't poo, poo it. Gotta play da game, ai na?
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The 57% acceptance rate figure is 3 yrs old. The year following, it was 66% according to USNWR, and if Princeton Review is to be believed, it was 74% last year.
http://www.princetonreview.com/schools/1022668/college/marquette-university
Out USNWR national ranking dropped from 75-86 in last 2 years despite MU improving in almost every other metric they measure except acceptance rate. Coincidence? I think not.
The fix to this to recruit accepted students to enroll. Increase the acceptance yield and then you can lower the percentage of applications accepted.
Regarding the USN ranking, their is usually 5 and 6 way ties at the 75 to 85 range. So it is not that 11 schools are ranked better. It is more that MU down-ticked one notch and went from a 6 way tie with some schools to a 5 way tie with others. Point is the difference between #70 and #85 is not that much. It is almost a rounding error.
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That's too bad MU didn't do follow-up calls. I used to volunteer to do that for accepted students. Admittedly I have been so busy the past couple years I have not done it recently.
So...you are volunteering us to do the calls??
Just kidding.
Actually, I would do that if the Admissions Office asked me to. There are quite a few Marquette alums in Seattle and I am sure we could organize some events for prospective students.
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First step in doin' dat is ta get da endowment up.
Doc
I am proud to say that my endowment is up every morning.
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So...you are volunteering us to do the calls??
Just kidding.
Actually, I would do that if the Admissions Office asked me to. There are quite a few Marquette alums in Seattle and I am sure we could organize some events for prospective students.
Actually MU needs to hire a department of current students with the job of converting accepted application into actual students.
Their mandate is to make accepted applicants feel wanted and good about MU, get questions answered, put them in touch with deans, professors or administrations so the understand their option and potential.
Current kids know how to make high school kids feel wanted, via calls, social media or whatever. Middle aged alumni calling 18 year old kids is just not that effective. Phones are what old people do anyway. Need to Facebook, tweet and snapchat them. Send them instagrams too. Use blogs and tumblr.
Again, make a department and pay them. Give them a bonus for increasing the acceptance yield.
As noted above, the average university spends $2,100 for each freshman to get them on campus. Time MU put more resources into this effort.
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Doc
I am proud to say that my endowment is up every morning.
I think you're supposed to call a medical doctor for that, not a dentist.
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Doc
I am proud to say that my endowment is up every morning.
This is why they don't let you talk to prospective students.
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Current kids know how to make high school kids feel wanted, via calls, social media or whatever. Middle aged alumni calling 18 year old kids is just not that effective. Phones are what old people do anyway. Need to Facebook, tweet and snapchat them. Send them instagrams too. Use blogs and tumblr.
Blogs? What is this? 2006?
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Blogs? What is this? 2006?
What the heck do you think Facebook is? One, shiny, happy, likable, friendly blog.
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You guys on Myspace?
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Can I use my netscape email to start this blog thingy?
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Can I use my netscape email to start this blog thingy?
I think you can start one up on geocities.
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I've gotta fire up the old America Online dial-up.
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I think you're supposed to call a medical doctor for that, not a dentist.
Four hours isn't a problem. I call it a good start.
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This is why they don't let you talk to prospective students.
Yea, that's probably why my Ivy League alma mater has asked me to do exactly that for many years. Maybe you should call them and warn them I am a social hand grenade...
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Yea, that's probably why my Ivy League alma mater has asked me to do exactly that for many years. Maybe you should call them and warn them I am a social hand grenade...
Boy, you Ivy Leaguers sure can't take a joke......
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Boy, you Ivy Leaguers sure can't take a joke......
Touche.
You have to understand that we are two hours behind you and until about noon most of my blood is still in a "lower extremity."
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I think you're supposed to call a medical doctor for that, not a dentist.
Depends on what you're doing with it
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Depends on what you're doing with it
If being used as a substitute for dental floss or a toothpick, then perhaps I'm wrong.
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Depends on what you're doing with it
An Air Force pilot knows what to do with it.
I guess you Navy guys need remedial instruction...
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First step in doin' dat is ta get da endowment up. Also, while we may say US News' rankin's don't mean chit, fact remains dat its a great marketin' tool and feather in a school's cap, to acheive a high number. Don't poo, poo it. Gotta play da game, ai na?
You are speaking my language. I have said for a long time get the endowment up so we can fund so full ride academic scholarships. I guarantee if we were able to do those we would have a much easier time playing the US News game. Full ride potential attracts applicants and it also enhances kids who return for a second year ( which is another part of the standard)
Also Higher US News rating helps our lacrosse program in particular and other Olympic Sports All those kids have to pay part tuition so Mom and Dad looking to spend it on a good school.
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You are speaking my language. I have said for a long time get the endowment up so we can fund so full ride academic scholarships. I guarantee if we were able to do those we would have a much easier time playing the US News game. Full ride potential attracts applicants and it also enhances kids who return for a second year ( which is another part of the standard)
Also Higher US News rating helps our lacrosse program in particular and other Olympic Sports All those kids have to pay part tuition so Mom and Dad looking to spend it on a good school.
This is like the old Steve Martin line "you too can live like a billionaire." How? "First get a billion dollars."
To get the endowment yo the point where we can offer the schlorships you suggest would take hundreds of millions, if not a billion dollars. That will take decades to raise.
Got any ideas MU can try before 2030?
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This is like the old Steve Martin line "you too can live like a billionaire." How? "First get a billion dollars."
To get the endowment yo the point where we can offer the schlorships you suggest would take hundreds of millions, if not a billion dollars. That will take decades to raise.
Got any ideas MU can try before 2030?
We need something like the Morehead Cain Program that UNC has. They offer 57 full scholarships. Would take $100 million to fund it at that level.
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We need something like the Morehead Cain Program that UNC has. They offer 57 full scholarships. Would take $100 million to fund it at that level.
I agree that $100 million would do it. That funds 57 full-rides (and Morehead Cain is for athletes at UNC ... which now we know many of them that did not go to class)
The Blue/Gold fund raises $4.5 million a year. It has about $20 million. That funds about 12 athletic full-ride scholarships.
$100 million is 25 times what they raise in a year. It is 5 times the current endowment.
Where are they getting this money? You donating it?
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I agree that $100 million would do it. That funds 57 full-rides (and Morehead Cain is for athletes at UNC ... which now we know many of them that did not go to class)
The Blue/Gold fund raises $4.5 million a year. It has about $20 million. That funds about 12 athletic full-ride scholarships.
$100 million is 25 times what they raise in a year. It is 5 times the current endowment.
Where are they getting this money? You donating it?
The funding was originally set up by the John Morehead in 1951. The Cain Family invested another 100 million in 2007. Basically they go after Ivy League quality students and was modeled after the Rhodes Scholarship. The only connection to athletics is the fact the students must demonstrate some evidence of being physically vigorous.
I think it is possible for MU to get something like this started.
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The funding was originally set up by the John Morehead in 1951. The Cain Family invested another 100 million in 2007. Basically they go after Ivy League quality students and was modeled after the Rhodes Scholarship. The only connection to athletics is the fact the students must demonstrate some evidence of being physically vigorous.
I think it is possible for MU to get something like this started.
Who is giving MU the $100 million?
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Crean, hey?
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Crean, hey?
Yes, and the kids that get this schollie can graduate in a special ceremony in the Valley Fields soccer stadium.