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Title: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: MattVelazquez on April 26, 2016, 03:45:03 PM
Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill


In recent weeks there were reports that Marquette would be receiving visits from a pair of power forwards this coming weekend. Kalif Young, a 6-foot-9 incoming freshman from Canada, and L.G. Gill, a 6-foot-8 graduate transfer from Duquesne who is eligible to play right away, were both linked to the Golden Eagles and reported to have visits scheduled during the final weekend of April.

Source: Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/377166151.html)
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: DienerTime34 on April 26, 2016, 03:50:50 PM
Maybe Young had a problem getting his passport, ai ' nah
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: KampusFoods on April 26, 2016, 03:53:12 PM
Maybe Young had a problem getting his passport, ai ' nah

Or he had a layover in Augusta, eh-nah?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 26, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
Interesting. Young has now cancelled all three of his official visits. Certainly a unique approach.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: HoopsterBC on April 26, 2016, 03:58:30 PM
Maybe he has school issues?  Do Canadians take ACT or SAt?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on April 26, 2016, 04:02:43 PM
Alright, let's go get Gill.

If another spot happens to free up and Young stops being a weirdo, we will cross that bridge when it comes.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: jsglow on April 26, 2016, 04:12:49 PM
Interesting. Young has now cancelled all three of his official visits. Certainly a unique approach.

I don't get it.  'Normal' kids (meaning non-athletes) must commit to their university by a May 1st deadline.  I hope things work out for Kalif but c'mon man.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: MuMark on April 26, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
According to the Providence beat writer he is dealing with a family issue...'or at least was when he cancelled his visit there.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: HoopsterBC on April 26, 2016, 04:16:42 PM
I don't get it.  'Normal' kids (meaning non-athletes) must commit to their university by a May 1st deadline.  I hope things work out for Kalif but c'mon man.

Gill is a better answer for the 1 scholy left,  he has experience and can start right away, Young can be over recruited being ranked 340th this year.  If that is the best
Wojo can do for a big, MU is in trouble.  He has offered a ton of kids next year, so maybe it is best to hold onto it.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: jsglow on April 26, 2016, 04:25:46 PM
According to the Providence beat writer he is dealing with a family issue...'or at least was when he cancelled his visit there.

Ah, maybe that's the answer.  Let's say a prayer for the kid that things work out for him, here or elsewhere.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 26, 2016, 04:29:33 PM
Can we get a good scouting report on Gill? Being the shooter that he is, is he going to be much a rebounder at a high major?  How to you offensive rebound behind the 3 point line?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Mobot on April 26, 2016, 04:31:56 PM
When the shot goes up, you run to the basket.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: BM1090 on April 26, 2016, 04:36:23 PM
Can we get a good scouting report on Gill? Being the shooter that he is, is he going to be much a rebounder at a high major?  How to you offensive rebound behind the 3 point line?

He averaged nearly 7 rebounds per game last year in 30 MPG, so he is a good but not great rebounder. Good but not great shooter. Very athletic. Pogo stick, as some here like to say. Not sure about ball handling/passing.

Here's a highlight video from last season but it's really choppy. Quality improves at some points but not an easy watch. Still, you can see the shooting stroke and athleticism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOLZIR4mkU4
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on April 26, 2016, 05:08:42 PM
Maybe Young had a problem getting his passport, ai ' nah

  Plenty of open space to just walk across up there
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: wadesworld on April 26, 2016, 05:21:40 PM
I don't get it.  'Normal' kids (meaning non-athletes) must commit to their university by a May 1st deadline.  I hope things work out for Kalif but c'mon man.

A "normal" kid can "commit" at any point. Their spot just might get passed along to someone else after May 1.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Jay Bee on April 26, 2016, 05:25:39 PM
Role player, a''ina? His numbers are what I'd want (frankly, expect) out of a Jr. Sandy Cohen. Just more size.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: WarriorPride68 on April 26, 2016, 05:27:27 PM
LG Gill is visiting Maryland next week...who lost Layman/Carter/Stone from front court.

Hopefully he has a blast this weekend in MKE. The Maryland campus is 2.5 hours from his hometown
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Jay Bee on April 26, 2016, 05:30:55 PM
Can we get a good scouting report on Gill? Being the shooter that he is, is he going to be much a rebounder at a high major?  How to you offensive rebound behind the 3 point line?

6'8" guy that shoots a lot from deep, but not particularly well. Relative to his size, a weak offensive rebounder. Serviceable defensive rebounder at Duq (and good showing against better competition)... can he commit to focusing on rebounding even more?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: amen426 on April 26, 2016, 05:41:12 PM
LG Gill is visiting Maryland next week...who lost Layman/Carter/Stone from front court.

Hopefully he has a blast this weekend in MKE. The Maryland campus is 2.5 hours from his hometown

In Goodman's tweet yesterday
"Duquesne grad transfer L.G. Gill told ESPN he will visit Marquette this weekend and likely to visit Maryland the week after."

Has anyone seen anything official on a visit date for Maryland? If he only told ESPN that he will "likely" visit Maryland next week, there is a strong chance that he could still commit this weekend. Keep in mind, Damion Lee was likely to visit Marquette's campus last year.

Saw a few bloggers/Jon Rothstein follow up that tweet by saying that he WILL visit the following week. But they seem to have simply misinterpreted Goodwin's wording. ESPN/Goodman seemed to be the only one who had direct contact with Gill, and "likely" means that a date hasn't been set.

With Wally already officially off the basketball team, and with Kalif Young cancelling his visit - it stands to reason that Gill has already given a "soft verbal" commitment to Wojo. This visit should simply make it official.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Jay Bee on April 26, 2016, 05:44:19 PM
In Goodman's tweet yesterday
"Duquesne grad transfer L.G. Gill told ESPN he will visit Marquette this weekend and likely to visit Maryland the week after."

Has anyone seen anything official on a visit date for Maryland? If he only told ESPN that he will "likely" visit Maryland next week, there is a strong chance that he could still commit this weekend. Keep in mind, Damion Lee was likely to visit Marquette's campus last year.

Saw a few bloggers/Jon Rothstein follow up that tweet by saying that he WILL visit the following week. But they seem to have simply misinterpreted Goodwin's wording. ESPN/Goodman seemed to be the only one who had direct contact with Gill, and "likely" means that a date hasn't been set.

With Wally already officially off the basketball team, and with Kalif Young cancelling his visit - it stands to reason that Gill has already given a "soft verbal" commitment to Wojo. This visit should simply make it official.

In the game that is recruiting, there is no 'WILL visit.' It doesn't exist. "Expected to"... "likely to"... etc.. all fine. "WILL"... you say that, you're nuts.

The underlined portion.. you're being equally 'OUT THERE'... patience, and understand recruiting is FLUID. What may have seemed true one hour can become a seemingly impossible series of events an hour later.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: amen426 on April 26, 2016, 06:04:15 PM
In the game that is recruiting, there is no 'WILL visit.' It doesn't exist. "Expected to"... "likely to"... etc.. all fine. "WILL"... you say that, you're nuts.

The underlined portion.. you're being equally 'OUT THERE'... patience, and understand recruiting is FLUID. What may have seemed true one hour can become a seemingly impossible series of events an hour later.

Damion Lee was "likely" to visit Marquette last summer. Until they set a date, nothing is official (and sometimes, not even then).

I'm simply connecting the dots. Wojo absolutely had to have received a "soft" commitment from one of these two prior to making the decision on Wally. There is no way you take that PR hit, and ruin a relationship with a lottery pick and his family if you don't already have a commitment in place.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: WarriorPride68 on April 26, 2016, 06:11:17 PM
Damion Lee was "likely" to visit Marquette last summer. Until they set a date, nothing is official (and sometimes, not even then).

I'm simply connecting the dots. Wojo absolutely had to have received a "soft" commitment from one of these two prior to making the decision on Wally. There is no way you take that PR hit, and ruin a relationship with a lottery pick and his family if you don't already have a commitment in place.

@JonRothstein: Duquesne transfer LG Gill told @CBSSports he will visit Maryland during the first week in May. Visits Marquette this weekend.

He told CBS & ESPN just yesterday he will visit Maryland. Add in the fact that Maryland visited him last week & his visit to Maryland is a week away I wouldn't be surprised if he visited Maryland.

With that said...One would think MU has Gill or another player lined up after the Woj bombing
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: keefe on April 26, 2016, 06:17:57 PM
  Plenty of open space to just walk across up there

Lots of weed tunnels between Surrey and Blaine he can crawl through
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 26, 2016, 06:29:04 PM
There is nothing to suggest that Wojo has a "soft verbal" from anybody. Wally was cut because that's when he gave Wojo his decision. You make the cut as early as possible to give Wally plenty of time to figure out his next move.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: esotericmindguy on April 26, 2016, 06:55:42 PM
Another wing in love with the 3 pointer. Marquette is filled with 33% 3 point shooters. Maybe he'd get better looks on Marquette. They might shoot 30 3 pointers a game next year.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: avid1010 on April 26, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
I'm simply connecting the dots. Wojo absolutely had to have received a "soft" commitment from one of these two prior to making the decision on Wally. There is no way you take that PR hit, and ruin a relationship with a lottery pick and his family if you don't already have a commitment in place.
hope that's not the case...would be much better if wojo had clear expectations for players, wally couldn't live up to them/commit to them, and wojo stuck to his guns no matter what the PR outcomes would be. 
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Herman Cain on April 26, 2016, 07:05:56 PM
There is nothing to suggest that Wojo has a "soft verbal" from anybody. Wally was cut because that's when he gave Wojo his decision. You make the cut as early as possible to give Wally plenty of time to figure out his next move.
I agree that Wojo has no soft verbals from anyone. 

I think one thing needs to be made clear, Wally was not cut. His basketball scholarship was not renewed. NCAA rules prohibit him to receive a track scholarship and play basketball. So it was either no scholarship and walk on in both sports or no basketball and full ride track scholarship. The family was not willing to pay tuition like other MU students so the story is being promoted as he is being cut from their perspective.

Compare this to the situation at Xavier last year, where Matt Stainbrook in effect gave his scholarship to his brother and then Stainbrook paid tuition to stay on the team and worked part time driving a cab. 

The more I think about it, Buzz may have actually not renewed Juan and Jake's scholarship thinking he had some prospects to take their place. In the end he didn't and the story was presented that they (Juan and Jake ) reconsidered and decided to stay.

At the end of the day, anyone who says College athletes are not getting paid has never had to pay a private school tuition bill.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: jsglow on April 26, 2016, 07:16:24 PM
A "normal" kid can "commit" at any point. Their spot just might get passed along to someone else after May 1.

Of course wade, but at MU (and other schools on the universally accepted deadline date) admission is no longer guaranteed if the formal admission offer from roughly 1/15 is not accepted by 5/1.  Last year, MU came up a bit short on the count and would have gladly accepted some additional students.  Also, 'wait list' kids are approached prior to 5/1 date depending on commitments as they roll in in March/April.  There's also the concept of 'melt', both between now and Frosh move-in and even in the first few weeks of school.  MU usually announces its final enrollment number in October.  I kind of thought no one needed the 'long answer'.  But since you felt the need to clarify......
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: amen426 on April 26, 2016, 07:17:12 PM
There is nothing to suggest that Wojo has a "soft verbal" from anybody. Wally was cut because that's when he gave Wojo his decision. You make the cut as early as possible to give Wally plenty of time to figure out his next move.

Apparently you think Wojo is one bold motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer.

In your scenario, he is ballsy enough to risk going into next season without Wally, Kalif or LG? Because that’s essentially what you’re saying by the timing of this cut.

Wojo was going to take a PR hit and burn the family bridge either way - whether he made the cut last weekend, or after the visits. And Wally's future options would have been the same in both scenario's as well. So your point about giving Wally plenty of time to figure out his next move, makes no sense. Especially, considering that if Young/Gill both turn us down, he wouldn't need that "next option". He would have been a key role player on this team.

I agree you don't string a kid along. But 1 week, in this scenario, would not change Wally's options.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: GGGG on April 26, 2016, 07:23:02 PM
Apparently you think Wojo is one bold motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer.

In your scenario, he is ballsy enough to risk going into next season without Wally, Kalif or LG? Because that’s essentially what you’re saying by the timing of this cut.


Perhaps its just simply that Wojo wanted a full summer commitment and Wally wasn't able to give that. 
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: jsglow on April 26, 2016, 07:28:27 PM
While I have no sense that Wojo has some kind of 'verbal', I think he feels strongly that that he'll successfully fill that 13th slot with a quality big.  Let's not necessarily assume that Young is out of the picture.  I think we had just wrongly convinced ourselves that his prior cancellations meant MU was a short list of one.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 26, 2016, 07:35:01 PM
Apparently you think Wojo is one bold motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer.

In your scenario, he is ballsy enough to risk going into next season without Wally, Kalif or LG? Because that’s essentially what you’re saying by the timing of this cut.

Wojo was going to take a PR hit and burn the family bridge either way - whether he made the cut last weekend, or after the visits. And Wally's future options would have been the same in both scenario's as well. So your point about giving Wally plenty of time to figure out his next move, makes no sense. Especially, considering that if Young/Gill both turn us down, he wouldn't need that "next option". He would have been a key role player on this team.

I agree you don't string a kid along. But 1 week, in this scenario, would not change Wally's options.

If you're worried about the PR hit, then how would it look if MU was overcommitted and then Wally was cut?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: wadesworld on April 26, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Apparently you think Wojo is one bold motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer.

In your scenario, he is ballsy enough to risk going into next season without Wally, Kalif or LG? Because that’s essentially what you’re saying by the timing of this cut.

Wojo was going to take a PR hit and burn the family bridge either way - whether he made the cut last weekend, or after the visits. And Wally's future options would have been the same in both scenario's as well. So your point about giving Wally plenty of time to figure out his next move, makes no sense. Especially, considering that if Young/Gill both turn us down, he wouldn't need that "next option". He would have been a key role player on this team.

I agree you don't string a kid along. But 1 week, in this scenario, would not change Wally's options.

If it helps you sleep at night, then sure, in your mind LG is already committed to Marquette University.  Don't mind his saying he'll visit Maryland the first weekend in May get in the way of you knowing for certain that Gill, you, and Wojo are the only 3 in the world to know for certain that Gill is on his way to Milwaukee for his senior season.

Of course wade, but at MU (and other schools on the universally accepted deadline date) admission is no longer guaranteed if the formal admission offer from roughly 1/15 is not accepted by 5/1.  Last year, MU came up a bit short on the count and would have gladly accepted some additional students.  Also, 'wait list' kids are approached prior to 5/1 date depending on commitments as they roll in in March/April.  There's also the concept of 'melt', both between now and Frosh move-in and even in the first few weeks of school.  MU usually announces its final enrollment number in October.  I kind of thought no one needed the 'long answer'.  But since you felt the need to clarify......

I just mean it's pretty much the same deal for "normal" students.  You get your offers, you're probably given some kind of timeline for when a coach hopes to hear about a decision (or you're given a timeline for when you might hear from a coach as to when your "offer" is with no conditions), and then if you're just dragging the process out then the "offer" may still stand...but it also may be passed along to someone else.  "Normal" students can send in their deposit and all their paperwork, go through the whole process...and then in July decide they're going to go to the other school they were thinking about/waitlisted on, etc.  Kids change their minds on schools, schools change their minds on kids, coaches change their mind on kids, kids change their minds on programs, etc.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Herman Cain on April 26, 2016, 07:50:41 PM
Apparently you think Wojo is one bold motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer.

In your scenario, he is ballsy enough to risk going into next season without Wally, Kalif or LG? Because that’s essentially what you’re saying by the timing of this cut.

Wojo was going to take a PR hit and burn the family bridge either way - whether he made the cut last weekend, or after the visits. And Wally's future options would have been the same in both scenario's as well. So your point about giving Wally plenty of time to figure out his next move, makes no sense. Especially, considering that if Young/Gill both turn us down, he wouldn't need that "next option". He would have been a key role player on this team.

I agree you don't string a kid along. But 1 week, in this scenario, would not change Wally's options.
It is possible the family may actually need the goodwill of MU and Wojo in the future. You never know what will happen.
 
Consider the fate of this former MU Star....

 https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19900112&id=52gaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_ysEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6264,3110075&hl=en

Some interesting notes in the comments from him on this one:
http://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4985
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Jay Bee on April 26, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
Damion Lee was "likely" to visit Marquette last summer. Until they set a date, nothing is official (and sometimes, not even then).

I'm simply connecting the dots. Wojo absolutely had to have received a "soft" commitment from one of these two prior to making the decision on Wally. There is no way you take that PR hit, and ruin a relationship with a lottery pick and his family if you don't already have a commitment in place.

Your dot-connection is flawed.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: GGGG on April 26, 2016, 07:56:53 PM
It is possible the family may actually need the goodwill of MU and Wojo in the future. You never know what will happen.
 
Consider the fate of this former MU Star....

 https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19900112&id=52gaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_ysEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6264,3110075&hl=en

Some interesting notes in the comments from him on this one:
http://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4985


So you're theory is that the Ellensons can't cut the cord with Marquette because one day Henry might be penniless and get arrested?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: jsglow on April 26, 2016, 07:59:25 PM

I just mean it's pretty much the same deal for "normal" students.  You get your offers, you're probably given some kind of timeline for when a coach hopes to hear about a decision (or you're given a timeline for when you might hear from a coach as to when your "offer" is with no conditions), and then if you're just dragging the process out then the "offer" may still stand...but it also may be passed along to someone else.  "Normal" students can send in their deposit and all their paperwork, go through the whole process...and then in July decide they're going to go to the other school they were thinking about/waitlisted on, etc.  Kids change their minds on schools, schools change their minds on kids, coaches change their mind on kids, kids change their minds on programs, etc.

Happens all the time wade.  The analytics on this rivals MLB!   Remember, I've served several years on the Admissions Advisory Board.  (Not saying I'm an expert.)  BTW, MU adjusted its application procurement tactics this year.  Let's hope it works.  Last year's class was small.  I haven't heard anything this year yet other than 'cautiously optimistic'.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Herman Cain on April 26, 2016, 08:05:07 PM
Happens all the time wade.  The analytics on this rivals MLB!   Remember, I've served several years on the Admissions Advisory Board.  (Not saying I'm an expert.)  BTW, MU adjusted its application procurement tactics this year.  Let's hope it works.  Last year's class was small.  I haven't heard anything this year yet other than 'cautiously optimistic'.
Tell Your friends in admissions they need to game the system so our US News rating goes up. Northeastern moved up over a 100 points playing the game.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 26, 2016, 08:08:24 PM
Northeastern only gets da easy rankin's, hey?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Herman Cain on April 26, 2016, 08:09:25 PM

So you're theory is that the Ellensons can't cut the cord with Marquette because one day Henry might be penniless and get arrested?

Life doesn't always work out the way people think it will for these stars.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/05/04/Judge-sentences-Art-Schlichter-to-10-years-7-months-in-prison.html
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: bilsu on April 26, 2016, 09:11:12 PM
I have no idea whether Wojo has a soft commitment. However, a lot of coaches do not consider an offer final until the player actually visits. How a recruit fits in or acts on a visit could result in the offer being withdrawn. LG saying he may visit Maryland may be a reflection of him understanding he still has to show he fits in here. Maybe Young is cancelling visits, because he is plan B for the schools he was going to visit. Assuming Wojo is feeling presure to win immediately he is going to take LG over Young.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Jay Bee on April 26, 2016, 09:15:21 PM
I have no idea whether Wojo has a soft commitment. However, a lot of coaches do not consider an offer final until the player actually visits. How a recruit fits in or acts on a visit could result in the offer being withdrawn. LG saying he may visit Maryland may be a reflection of him understanding he still has to show he fits in here. Maybe Young is cancelling visits, because he is plan B for the schools he was going to visit. Assuming Wojo is feeling presure to win immediately he is going to take LG over Young.

I don't consider chit final til a player is on the court at the scorer's table, checking into a game. If you feel otherwise, you're eff'd.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 26, 2016, 09:29:16 PM
Life doesn't always work out the way people think it will for these stars.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/05/04/Judge-sentences-Art-Schlichter-to-10-years-7-months-in-prison.html

So, if Henry Ellenson (or even Wally) gets to that point, what would you expect Wojo/MU to do to intervene?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: MU86NC on April 26, 2016, 09:59:29 PM
I agree that Wojo has no soft verbals from anyone. 

I think one thing needs to be made clear, Wally was not cut. His basketball scholarship was not renewed. NCAA rules prohibit him to receive a track scholarship and play basketball. So it was either no scholarship and walk on in both sports or no basketball and full ride track scholarship. The family was not willing to pay tuition like other MU students so the story is being promoted as he is being cut from their perspective.

Compare this to the situation at Xavier last year, where Matt Stainbrook in effect gave his scholarship to his brother and then Stainbrook paid tuition to stay on the team and worked part time driving a cab. 

The more I think about it, Buzz may have actually not renewed Juan and Jake's scholarship thinking he had some prospects to take their place. In the end he didn't and the story was presented that they (Juan and Jake ) reconsidered and decided to stay.
Amen!

At the end of the day, anyone who says College athletes are not getting paid has never had to pay a private school tuition bill.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: vacinator on April 26, 2016, 10:24:57 PM
Kudos to Matt - I really appreciate the MU coverage.  You might just get me to subscribe again to the JS.

If MU does land Gill the "big" cupboard will be extremely bare in 2017.  Hopefully Wojo has some talent in the pipeline.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: MU82 on April 26, 2016, 10:37:38 PM
Assuming Wojo is feeling presure to win immediately he is going to take LG over Young.

I know you're rooting for Wojo to lose because you've already decided you hate him for whatever reason, but the only pressure Wojo feels is the pressure he puts on himself.

Coaches, especially those with very long-term contracts, don't feel pressure from mopes on the interwebs.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: keefe on April 26, 2016, 11:24:13 PM
There is nothing to suggest that Wojo has a "soft verbal" from anybody. Wally was cut because that's when he gave Wojo his decision. You make the cut as early as possible to give Wally plenty of time to figure out his next move.

I agree that Wojo doesn't have anything solid but a week or a month don't make much difference in such decisions.

I agree with Sultan - Wojo wanted a a commitment to hoops and Wally passed. Decision made.

Remember that Newbill and Roseboro landed somewhere within days after getting Buzz Sawed at the end of the summer.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: brewcity77 on April 26, 2016, 11:32:58 PM
Kudos to Matt - I really appreciate the MU coverage.  You might just get me to subscribe again to the JS.

If MU does land Gill the "big" cupboard will be extremely bare in 2017.  Hopefully Wojo has some talent in the pipeline.

Looking at the offers and interest for 2017, I fully expect at least 2-3 freshmen bigs to be added in that class. Definitely a heavy focus on the front court for next year's class.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: We R Final Four on April 27, 2016, 06:35:24 AM
Looking at the offers and interest for 2017, I fully expect at least 2-3 freshmen bigs to be added in that class. Definitely a heavy focus on the front court for next year's class.
Ideally, would have liked to see: Seniors Luke and LG, Soph Heldt, and Frosh Young. Then we could have some balance moving forward.

Even if what you suspect,  that's 2-3 Frosh bigs and a Junior MH.
The one and done grad transfer game is a tricky one.
Almost have to get another grad transfer next year.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: fjm on April 27, 2016, 08:52:18 AM
I think he's offered some pretty good Bigs for 2017 as mentioned here.
Maybe it'll be ok that we get a one year guy, and then inform one of the 2017 bugs that are 4 star top 100 that they'll be starting right away.

Kalif young if I remember correctly is #340 or so? And if he is a commitmentphobe then maybe we are getting lucky by having a hole for the 3-4 bigs we offered that seem pretty solid for next year?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: amen426 on April 27, 2016, 10:32:33 AM

Perhaps its just simply that Wojo wanted a full summer commitment and Wally wasn't able to give that.

Perhaps. But I really don't think he takes such a hard stance (given the lack of depth at the PF position) unless he has a replacement. Also, I don't see the Ellenson family getting as upset with Wojo if this was the entire story. This is certainly a reasonable MU spin, and it may have been the conversation that Wojo eventually had with Wally -- but a player who doesn't dedicate 100% of his time to basketball until training camp, is still better than a banked scholarship. Especially since he would have received valuable minutes at the 4. I just don't see Wojo making that move if the replacement could wind up being a banked scholarship.

I seem to be in the minority here, so I will certainly own it if I'm wrong. But I would be shocked if we don't hear within 24 hours after leaving campus that Gill has committed. 
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: fjm on April 27, 2016, 10:34:19 AM
Can we please... For Fug's sake not turn this into another Ellenson Thread?
Or are we officially Ellenson University?

What's the plan if we don't get Gill and Young is a no go?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: DienerTime34 on April 27, 2016, 11:08:19 AM
Can we please... For Fug's sake not turn this into another Ellenson Thread?
Or are we officially Ellenson University?

What's the plan if we don't get Gill and Young is a no go?

KOSTAS.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: jsglow on April 27, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
Agreed.  Back on topic.  I strongly believe Wojo will reel in either Gill or Kalif.  He literally has starter minutes to offer immediately, even if those minutes technically come from the bench.  I also feel confident that he'll fill the 13th scholly relatively quickly otherwise the Wally thing lingers unnecessarily.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 27, 2016, 12:36:54 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I think the roster we have for 2016-2017 is good enough to make the NCAAs. I'm more worried about the 2017-2018 squad. At this point we will have Heldt, and that's it, in the post. I think Heldt can be a serviceable starting C, but he can't be our only one out there. I'd much rather get Young, or a traditional transfer like Daniel Giddens, Elijah Minnie, CJ Turman, Dwayne Morgan, or Dominik Olejniczak than a grad transfer like Gill. I'd rather have two seasons of barely making the NCAA than one season of solidly making the NCAA and then being left out again the next season.

If we do end up with Gill, I'll be happy, because that means we will have a really good team next season. But Wojo is going to have to recruit like the devil to get us ready for the next season. It might mean picking up a midseason transfer or another grad transfer next summer. We're in on some good freshmen for 2017 but I don't know that I'm ready to trust freshmen with as many minutes as we will need in  the post in 17-18.

Writing this, I'm realizing how big of a loss Gabe Levin was.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: fjm on April 27, 2016, 01:10:59 PM
KOSTAS.
Perfect. Haha
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 27, 2016, 01:54:59 PM
Can we please... For Fug's sake not turn this into another Ellenson Thread?
Or are we officially Ellenson University?

What's the plan if we don't get Gill and Young is a no go?



Herro, hey?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Herman Cain on April 27, 2016, 02:19:07 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I think the roster we have for 2016-2017 is good enough to make the NCAAs. I'm more worried about the 2017-2018 squad. At this point we will have Heldt, and that's it, in the post. I think Heldt can be a serviceable starting C, but he can't be our only one out there. I'd much rather get Young, or a traditional transfer like Daniel Giddens, Elijah Minnie, CJ Turman, Dwayne Morgan, or Dominik Olejniczak than a grad transfer like Gill. I'd rather have two seasons of barely making the NCAA than one season of solidly making the NCAA and then being left out again the next season.

If we do end up with Gill, I'll be happy, because that means we will have a really good team next season. But Wojo is going to have to recruit like the devil to get us ready for the next season. It might mean picking up a midseason transfer or another grad transfer next summer. We're in on some good freshmen for 2017 but I don't know that I'm ready to trust freshmen with as many minutes as we will need in  the post in 17-18.

Writing this, I'm realizing how big of a loss Gabe Levin was.
Finally some one agrees with me on Gabe Levin, He was a huge loss.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Herman Cain on April 27, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
KOSTAS.
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: WarriorPride68 on April 29, 2016, 07:22:21 AM
LG Gill taking his official visit to Maryland on May 6th-8th per 247
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 29, 2016, 04:00:26 PM
Has our Boot Watch Brigade spotted LG Gill on campus? Does he have a boot? What are his thoughts on comedy Sportz?

Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Da 'Lanche on April 29, 2016, 04:10:55 PM
Has our Boot Watch Brigade spotted LG Gill on campus? Does he have a boot? What are his thoughts on comedy Sportz?

Apparently, he was spotted at the campus Qdoba and some smart ass student called him SM Gill or XL Gill (one of the two..unclear) which resulted in a fistfight and he punched the student in the face.  Gerald Boyle has been called on behalf of his new client...
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: wadesworld on April 29, 2016, 05:00:43 PM
LG Gill taking his official visit to Maryland on May 6th-8th per 247

Gave Turgeon a silent verbal, ai'na?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: mugrack on April 29, 2016, 05:16:07 PM
Is there an ice cream truck sighting?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: We R Final Four on April 29, 2016, 09:02:02 PM
Gave Turgeon a silent verbal, ai'na?
Nice--if not silent, certainly soft.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: fjm on April 30, 2016, 08:20:23 AM
Did gill commit yet?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: warriorchick on April 30, 2016, 10:52:20 AM
Is there an ice cream truck sighting?

Not so far. I will keep you posted.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: wadesworld on April 30, 2016, 10:53:34 AM
Did gill commit yet?

Silently, a couple weeks ago.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: HoopsterBC on April 30, 2016, 11:24:04 AM
Silently, a couple weeks ago.

True or false
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: WarriorPride68 on April 30, 2016, 11:26:31 AM
Silently, a couple weeks ago.

Damn, Terps got a good one then  ;)
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Marcus92 on April 30, 2016, 11:36:16 AM
Never heard of a nonverbal commitment before. Maybe the NCAA needs to establish some rules about that. 500 or so pages should do it.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: MU82 on April 30, 2016, 08:50:32 PM
Gave Turgeon a silent verbal, ai'na?

First Lee, now Gill. Fire Wojo now, please.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 01, 2016, 10:00:35 AM
Nah, give Steve a chance ta adopt him first, hey?
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on May 09, 2016, 11:43:22 AM
Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein  2h2 hours ago
Duquesne transfer LG Gill told @CBSSports he will decide between Maryland and Marquette. No other visits set. Immediately eligible.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 09, 2016, 12:02:39 PM
First come, first serve.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: MuMark on May 09, 2016, 01:03:05 PM
Duquesne transfer LG Gill has committed to Maryland, source told @CBSSports. Immediately eligible for next season. Big get for Terps.
Title: Re: [Matt Velazquez] Marquette will have one visitor this weekend and it's L.G. Gill
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on May 09, 2016, 01:14:39 PM
Evan Daniels ‏@EvanDaniels  13m13 minutes ago Paradise, NV
LG Gill will transfer to Maryland | Story: http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/story/1668612-lg-gill-transfer-maryland …