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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: damuts222 on April 19, 2016, 01:57:35 PM
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It is the offseason, and we seem to be recruiting a lot of bodies. That being said, Duane Wilson tweeted:
"It's a real shady business man."
"It is not yet time for the message to come true, but that time is coming soon;the message will come true."
Not sure if this is anything to read into or not.
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Twitta Tracka
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"It is not yet time for the message to come true, but that time is coming soon;the message will come true."
Didnt David Koresh say something very similar?
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Didnt David Koresh say something very similar?
Well, Duane does want to be a leader...
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Yeah.... Cool Duane.... But more importantly, where is Sacar!?!?
Also, tweet us back when kostas gets to campus!
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It is the offseason, and we seem to be recruiting a lot of bodies. That being said, Duane Wilson tweeted:
"It's a real shady business man."
"It is not yet time for the message to come true, but that time is coming soon;the message will come true."
Not sure if this is anything to read into or not.
Habakkuk is one of the books of the Old Testament. Basically, chapter 1 deals with the prophet Habakkuk asking God why there's injustice in the world. Chapter 2 (which Duane quoted) offers God's answer.
By itself, there's no way of knowing what he means by it. Faith and patience are good to remember when dealing with almost anything difficult in your life.
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Let's appreciate that the entire team is aware that there are visits upcoming. It's entirely possible that one of their teammates might be elsewhere soon, even if it's simply Wally deciding to jump next year.
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Predictin' Trump carries NY, ai na?
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Predictin' Trump carries NY, ai na?
Respect the (delegate) process.
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He gowne?
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Next man up, ai na?
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Wally got cut. That's what he's referring to.
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Wally got cut. That's what he's referring to.
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Wally got cut. That's what he's referring to.
Wally Gowne?
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it's simply Wally deciding to jump next year.
Well played! (intended or not!)
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Just to fuel rampant speculation, Hank tweeted "FAMILY ALWAYS FIRST" last night which Wally then Retweeted with an "Angry" emoji.
#TwittaTracka
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Habakkuk is one of the books of the Old Testament. Basically, chapter 1 deals with the prophet Habakkuk asking God why there's injustice in the world. Chapter 2 (which Duane quoted) offers God's answer.
By itself, there's no way of knowing what he means by it. Faith and patience are good to remember when dealing with almost anything difficult in your life.
It is a passage referencing end times though, so I'm hoping that he isn't referencing MU. Don't have good feelings about this one.
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Let's appreciate that the entire team is aware that there are visits upcoming. It's entirely possible that one of their teammates might be elsewhere soon, even if it's simply Wally deciding to jump next year.
I see what you did there. ;D
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Folks get a life.
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It is a passage referencing end times though, so I'm hoping that he isn't referencing MU. Don't have good feelings about this one.
Hiroshima PLUS Armageddon?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/9MHuqm01vwEve/giphy.gif)
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Hiroshima PLUS Armageddon?
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Brilliant!
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Duane grow up, this is big time ball, Wojo needs to win and win now. If Wally gets the Buzz cut, so it happens. Under Al, Kurt Spychalla and Randy Wade were better
than Allie, both transferred, it is the way of life in the big leagues. Life sometime is not fair.
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Habakkuk is one of the books of the Old Testament. Basically, chapter 1 deals with the prophet Habakkuk asking God why there's injustice in the world. Chapter 2 (which Duane quoted) offers God's answer.
By itself, there's no way of knowing what he means by it. Faith and patience are good to remember when dealing with almost anything difficult in your life.
What, are you saying that "It's a real shady business man" was God's answer?
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I'm all for twitta tracka but this one cracks me up
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Just to fuel rampant speculation, Hank tweeted "FAMILY ALWAYS FIRST" last night which Wally then Retweeted with an "Angry" emoji.
#TwittaTracka
One can only assume that Wally is pissed from Hank's tweet that Wally was a lock for Hank's personal trainer when he cashed his NBA checks, but then Hank re-neged.
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There is ZERO chance Wojo ASKED Wally to leave....none, zilch, nada. He would not burn that bridge, no way no how.
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Duane is in a great position with MU. The coaches have tremendous confidence in him. He is playing the 2 position which is perfect for him. He has had two solid years and is on track to being one of our leading all time scorers. When the game is on the line he is someone I like seeing with the ball. He has stones and courage to make things happen in the clutch. Hopefully his ailments will be cured over the course of the summer. I am looking forward to a big year from him.
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Habakkuk is one of the books of the Old Testament. Basically, chapter 1 deals with the prophet Habakkuk asking God why there's injustice in the world. Chapter 2 (which Duane quoted) offers God's answer.
ZFB is always talking about Habakkuk.. at least I think that's how you spell it.
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If I were a player I would just tweet cryptic messages every few weeks then come here to watch the world burn.
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There is ZERO chance Wojo ASKED Wally to leave....none, zilch, nada. He would not burn that bridge, no way no how.
I agree completely.
Especially in the context that MU is recruiting another player's brother. HS coaches tend to band together when they think that in-state players being mis-treated by a school.
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I rather doubt Wojo kicked Wally off the team.
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If he transfers and is awarded a sixth year, thangs be wrong with the NCAA. But they are wrong. So..
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There is ZERO chance Wojo ASKED Wally to leave....none, zilch, nada. He would not burn that bridge, no way no how.
I agree with this analysis.
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There is ZERO chance Wojo ASKED Wally to leave....none, zilch, nada. He would not burn that bridge, no way no how.
You're wrong.
I always get a kick out of fans defending the coach against any possible shady activity....until he leaves. Then it's good riddance. It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines.
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Read between the lines on what?
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Duane grow up, this is big time ball, Wojo needs to win and win now. If Wally gets the Buzz cut, so it happens. Under Al, Kurt Spychalla and Randy Wade were better
than Allie, both transferred, it is the way of life in the big leagues. Life sometime is not fair.
Yo, hold up man. First off, Allie was head and shoulders better than both Wade and Spychalla. Secondly, only Randy transferred to Eau Claire. Kurt never left MU until he graduated, ai na?
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No surprise, MU fans think every tweet is about the team/game/basketball. Maybe this has something to do with the team, just as good a chance that it has no relevance to Marquette basketball. Not enough information to read anything serious into this.
That said, I'm sure we'll come to the conclusion that this indicates the imminent demise of the program, because it's what we do.
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No surprise, MU fans think every tweet is about the team/game/basketball. Maybe this has something to do with the team, just as good a chance that it has no relevance to Marquette basketball. Not enough information to read anything serious into this.
That said, I'm sure we'll come to the conclusion that this indicates the imminent demise of the program, because it's what we do.
+1, just think of the dumb crap you guys would have been tweeting about in college.
And then praise your sacred sky wizard that there's no Internet picture record that captured your college days for all of time.
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I'm gonna wear some tin foil. Just in case.
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So some of the speculation on here is that Duane is upset tweeting about Wally getting the Buzz cut?
Lol
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I'm gonna wear some tin foil. Just in case.
Hey Chili, if you have mamajuana left drink it!
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Hey Chili, if you have mamajuana left drink it!
Yo tengo mucho mamajuana.
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Some rascal be gettin' Pol-axed!
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Yo tengo mucho mamajuana.
Salud!
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Salud!
Gracias mi amigo.
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If I were a player I would just tweet cryptic messages every few weeks then come here to watch the world burn.
I love this.
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Duane gettin' a summer job planting shade trees.
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Duane pulling a Vander Blue? Has he had an argument about going pro with Wojo?
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multiple transfers out always a possibility on 4/19/16, a'inal?
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Duane pulling a Vander Blue? Has he had an argument about going pro with Wojo?
That's what I was thinking. Figuring going to the D League will prepare him more than another year in a system that's not his style.
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Duane grow up, this is big time ball, Wojo needs to win and win now. If Wally gets the Buzz cut, so it happens. Under Al, Kurt Spychalla and Randy Wade were better
than Allie, both transferred, it is the way of life in the big leagues. Life sometime is not fair.
Wojo was supposedly brought in to bring MU to a higher level in the character of players recruited. Wojo should be fired, if he is actually cutting Wally or any other player without the player committing some kind of infraction.
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Wojo was supposedly brought in to bring MU to a higher level in the character of players recruited. Wojo should be fired, if he is actually cutting Wally or any other player without the player committing some kind of infraction.
Lol
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Didnt David Koresh say something very similar?
I don't know about Koresh but that sure sounds like The Bronze Beast of Bloomington
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There is ZERO chance Wojo ASKED Wally to leave....none, zilch, nada. He would not burn that bridge, no way no how.
agree! i want both the hauser boys too, not a buy one get one free deal
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If I were a player I would just tweet cryptic messages every few weeks then come here to watch the world burn.
that would be fun. twitt a twitt and grab the corn
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I don't know about Koresh but that sure sounds like The Bronze Beast of Bloomington
Crean sucks.
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That's what I was thinking. Figuring going to the D League will prepare him more than another year in a system that's not his style.
Duane has zero chance at the NBA. If Blue can light up the D-League and not get more than a cup of coffee, Duane won't. He's not a point guard, smaller than Vander and isn't a lights out shooter.
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Wojo was supposedly brought in to bring MU to a higher level in the character of players recruited. Wojo should be fired, if he is actually cutting Wally or any other player without the player committing some kind of infraction.
Pure gold. Thank you for the AM laughs.
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Wojo was supposedly brought in to bring MU to a higher level in the character of players recruited. Wojo should be fired, if he is actually cutting Wally or any other player without the player committing some kind of infraction.
Firing him would be too kind.
Stone him to death at the village square!
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That's what I was thinking. Figuring going to the D League will prepare him more than another year in a system that's not his style.
Should have used teal I guess :-\
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I don't know the entire story, but wojo cut Wally Monday night.
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I don't know the entire story, but wojo cut Wally Monday night.
HE GOWNE and WE GOWNE
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I don't know the entire story, but wojo cut Wally Monday night.
If true, great news. Wally is by all means a great kid, but this team needs another big and bad. If it wasn't Wally, it was Sandy or Anim, and those guys have more of a future with this program. Wally would have maybe seen 5 minutes a game, and then graduates. Again, I hope Wally lands on his feet if he decides to keep playing hoops, and finds somewhere he can get big minutes, but it just wasn't MU this year.
Without knowing exactly how this played out (again, if true), I am glad to see Wojo not kittenfoot around this situation due to Henry. Wally was clearly the guy that needed to go to get this roster in the best position as possible to succeed.
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I don't know the entire story, but wojo cut Wally Monday night.
I heard they fired Wojo on Monday and hired Wally to replace him.
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I disagree. Wojo bringing in Wally as a transfer basically only to get Henry for one year, and then cutting him a couple weeks after Henry declares is pretty shady. I don't mind bringing in a kid with good intentions only to be honest with him later about where he stands, but it could be argued that this was basically using someone to get to someone else. Now he really has no options if he wants to play basketball at the highest level.
Unless there is more to this story, I am not very happy about this. I'm not with bilsu that Wojo should be fired over this, but does this really represent what you want Marquette to be about?
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I disagree. Wojo bringing in Wally as a transfer basically only to get Henry for one year, and then cutting him a couple weeks after Henry declares is pretty shady. I don't mind bringing in a kid with good intentions only to be honest with him later about where he stands, but it could be argued that this was basically using someone to get to someone else. Now he really has no options if he wants to play basketball at the highest level.
Unless there is more to this story, I am not very happy about this. I'm not with bilsu that Wojo should be fired over this, but does this really represent what you want Marquette to be about?
I am not going to judge as we don't know any of the story let alone the full story.
Like it or not this scenario is a part of College Bball. Wojo is paid to get the program back to the tourney. This has happened with our last two coaches and will happen with our next two as well (sans a change in ncaa rules)
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I don't know the entire story, but wojo cut Wally Monday night.
While not ideal, this isn't terrible news. It allows us to hopefully improve our thin front court. I'm actually hoping Sandy is the next to go...he is in way over his head and I never have seen a high D1 caliber player in him. I think he should transfer closer to home and think UWGB would be a great fit. It would be a win win for both parties.
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If Wally was cut, does he still have to sit out a year to transfer?
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I am not going to judge as we don't know any of the story let alone the full story.
Like it or not this scenario is a part of College Bball. Wojo is paid to get the program back to the tourney. This has happened with our last two coaches and will happen with our next two as well (sans a change in ncaa rules)
Wait, wait, wait. Is there ANY proof that this actually happened with Wally? Like, an iota of evidence that Wally won't be on the team next year, much less that he was Buzzcut? Bald speculation doesn't count as evidence.
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Wait, wait, wait. Is there ANY proof that this actually happened with Wally? Like, an iota of evidence that Wally won't be on the team next year, much less that he was Buzzcut? Bald speculation doesn't count as evidence.
Essentially my point. That and the outrage is silly as this happens all the time (both ways as more kids leave willingly)
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There isn't any outrage. And I specifically said "unless there is more to the story."
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I disagree. Wojo bringing in Wally as a transfer basically only to get Henry for one year, and then cutting him a couple weeks after Henry declares is pretty shady. I don't mind bringing in a kid with good intentions only to be honest with him later about where he stands, but it could be argued that this was basically using someone to get to someone else. Now he really has no options if he wants to play basketball at the highest level.
Unless there is more to this story, I am not very happy about this. I'm not with bilsu that Wojo should be fired over this, but does this really represent what you want Marquette to be about?
absolutely agree with this-hopefully this was all worked out with the ellensons first, otherwise it's cold man. maybe that's why it really hasn't been news. there was an agreement in place. so is wally still on scholly for track?
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There isn't any outrage. And I specifically said "unless there is more to the story."
Sorry I quoted you on the first point as opposed to the second. Understood.
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Bald speculation doesn't count as evidence.
This must be your first time on the internet.
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This must be your first time on the internet.
This reminds me of the old B & W movies, where all the reporters are racing to be firsts to the phones!
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This reminds me of the old B & W movies, where all the reporters are racing to be firsts to the phones!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTsbZCj7H4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTsbZCj7H4)
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If Wally was cut, does he still have to sit out a year to transfer?
He is probably in position to graduate.
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Wait, wait, wait. Is there ANY proof that this actually happened with Wally? Like, an iota of evidence that Wally won't be on the team next year, much less that he was Buzzcut? Bald speculation doesn't count as evidence.
Has there ever been anything posted on Scoop that isn't true?
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From what I can currently tell; this "Wally got cut" first appeared in this thread, and now we are using this as evidence that he got cut. So does anyone have an ACTUAL iota of evidence that this is indeed what happened. Or are we just sitting here grasping at rumors started in this very thread?
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It wasn't a cut.
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I disagree. Wojo bringing in Wally as a transfer basically only to get Henry for one year, and then cutting him a couple weeks after Henry declares is pretty shady. I don't mind bringing in a kid with good intentions only to be honest with him later about where he stands, but it could be argued that this was basically using someone to get to someone else. Now he really has no options if he wants to play basketball at the highest level.
Unless there is more to this story, I am not very happy about this. I'm not with bilsu that Wojo should be fired over this, but does this really represent what you want Marquette to be about?
Meh. I don't get this whole holding Marquette to a higher standard thing. MU is good school, but its not some prestigious institution. The way that the basketball program is run doesn't really affect my perception of the school. I take that back, it does - when MU wins basketball games, their perception goes up. When they lose (which they've done far too much of the past three years), it goes down.
I want Marquette basketball to be about winning basketball games. Not being a bunch of panzies when it comes to sensitive issues. We need a big - there were three logical candidates to be let go, and Wally was clearly the best option. I don't doubt he is a good kid and not saying he didn't deserve his spot on the team, but this is what big time college sports is about (I mean hell, this happens at the HS level). You perform, or you get cut. If someone better comes along, you'll get recruited over or you'll lose your spot on the team. Its the way it is. If you want to play with the big boys, you gotta act like the big boys. I am glad to see Wojo realizes this. If anything, it shows me that MU is committed to getting back to the tournament, which is really all I care about.
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It wasn't a cut.
A mutual agreement?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTsbZCj7H4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTsbZCj7H4)
Perfect................Thanks
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It wasn't a cut.
Wait...does this play into Big Daddy's story of the haircutting Brothers?
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First of all, I'm not putting any stock in this story until something fruitful comes of it. Right now, it's all unfounded rumor. That said...
Meh. I don't get this whole holding Marquette to a higher standard thing. MU is good school, but its not some prestigious institution. The way that the basketball program is run doesn't really affect my perception of the school.
While I understand this perspective and don't begrudge your right to feel this way, I personally could not disagree more. I'm not a religious person, but I do believe in Cura Personalis and do believe that Marquette means more than just the name on my diploma.
Some of my most valuable classes were the theology classes I was forced to take and some of the best discussions I had at Marquette centered on morality. To the point that as an agnostic at Marquette, I did an independent study class senior year writing a screenplay about a modern day take on Revelation and the return of Christ without any intention of sarcasm.
If you are going to put Marquette on your resume, on the front of your shirt, or on your business card, as a Marquette grad, I do expect more. Maybe that's unfair in and of itself, but I value Marquette as more than just a sweatshirt or a sticker on my fire helmet.
If Wally was brought in for the express purpose of exploiting his family relationship with Henry and to be cut as soon as Henry's time here is done, I'm against that. It's not what the University should stand for in my mind and not how individuals that represent the University, especially on the most visible of public stages, should conduct themselves.
Again, until there's more substance to this unsubstantiated rumor, I'm withholding judgment. But there's a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things, and if the goal is to create a long-term, successful program, I feel that cutting a senior player whose value goes beyond his own personal contributions on the court (especially in a manner such as this) would be the wrong way and something I would have difficulty as an alum supporting.
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Marquette Fan in NY warned that Henry would lose it all once he signed with ROC Nation but this is quicker than expected, and taking Wally down too?
Boy that thug Jay-Z.
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First of all, I'm not putting any stock in this story until something fruitful comes of it. Right now, it's all unfounded rumor. That said...
While I understand this perspective and don't begrudge your right to feel this way, I personally could not disagree more. I'm not a religious person, but I do believe in Cura Personalis and do believe that Marquette means more than just the name on my diploma.
Some of my most valuable classes were the theology classes I was forced to take and some of the best discussions I had at Marquette centered on morality. To the point that as an agnostic at Marquette, I did an independent study class senior year writing a screenplay about a modern day take on Revelation and the return of Christ without any intention of sarcasm.
If you are going to put Marquette on your resume, on the front of your shirt, or on your business card, as a Marquette grad, I do expect more. Maybe that's unfair in and of itself, but I value Marquette as more than just a sweatshirt or a sticker on my fire helmet.
If Wally was brought in for the express purpose of exploiting his family relationship with Henry and to be cut as soon as Henry's time here is done, I'm against that. It's not what the University should stand for in my mind and not how individuals that represent the University, especially on the most visible of public stages, should conduct themselves.
Again, until there's more substance to this unsubstantiated rumor, I'm withholding judgment. But there's a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things, and if the goal is to create a long-term, successful program, I feel that cutting a senior player whose value goes beyond his own personal contributions on the court (especially in a manner such as this) would be the wrong way and something I would have difficulty as an alum supporting.
Fair enough. I also won't begrudge you for feeling that way. The 13 guys on the basketball team certainly don't define the school for me. All I care about is that the team and staff put the team in the best position possible to succeed. If a guy is not good enough, or someone better comes along - he gets cut. I don't particularly feel bad - these guys are getting a free education and get to play a sport at the highest collegiate level. Bring it everyday and get better and you won't get replaced. If you can't do that, take your talents elsewhere. Again, not saying Wally didn't do that (and also by no means am I confirming this rumor to be true), but he was the least valuable member of the team, IMO. Therefore he goes.
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Just to fuel rampant speculation, Hank tweeted "FAMILY ALWAYS FIRST" last night which Wally then Retweeted with an "Angry" emoji.
#TwittaTracka
You all are missing the obvious -- Henry is coming back to play one more year with Wally!
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From what I can currently tell; this "Wally got cut" first appeared in this thread, and now we are using this as evidence that he got cut. So does anyone have an ACTUAL iota of evidence that this is indeed what happened. Or are we just sitting here grasping at rumors started in this very thread?
Scoop has officially become the "Committee of Oh My God".
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It wasn't a cut.
Well, then what happened?
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Well, then what happened?
Did he get 3rd place in the sales contest?
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If Wally was brought in for the express purpose of exploiting his family relationship with Henry and to be cut as soon as Henry's time here is done, I'm against that. It's not what the University should stand for in my mind and not how individuals that represent the University, especially on the most visible of public stages, should conduct themselves.
I agree with this...but the key is the "express purpose" part. If snagging Henry was the only reason Wojo signed Wally, then Wally should stay.
But what if being Henry's brother was just one factor, and Wojo also saw that we were thin and relatively desperate, so he brought Wally in to actually help the team? And what if, two years later, he has concluded that we aren't as thin or desperate as we were, and that Wally isn't as much of an asset as he had hoped? That isn't implausible.
If those truly were factors (and only Wojo and the coaching staff really knows), than I see no reason why Wally shouldn't be treated like everyone else - we will give you a fair shot, but if you don't turn out as we hope, there is a chance you'll be recruited over.
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I agree with this...but the key is the "express purpose" part. If snagging Henry was the only reason Wojo signed Wally, then Wally should stay.
But what if being Henry's brother was just one factor, and Wojo also saw that we were thin and relatively desperate, so he brought Wally in to actually help the team? And what if, two years later, he has concluded that we aren't as thin or desperate as we were, and that Wally isn't as much of an asset as he had hoped? That isn't implausible.
If those truly were factors (and only Wojo and the coaching staff really knows), than I see no reason why Wally shouldn't be treated like everyone else - we will give you a fair shot, but if you don't turn out as we hope, there is a chance you'll be recruited over.
I don't mind players being "recruited over." I mind pulling players scholarships when they are about to enter their senior year based simply on them no longer being considered good enough. After freshman and sophomore year? I get it. For instance, if this were Sandy or Sacar, I would understand. You gave them a shot and they didn't perform.
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Wally was on scholarship for two years. He played more this year than he would have at Minnesota. He also got to play with his brother for his one season in college ball. If Wojo unloads him now, everyone got something from the deal.
This team's success is not beholden to Duane Wilson either.
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I disagree. Wojo bringing in Wally as a transfer basically only to get Henry for one year, and then cutting him a couple weeks after Henry declares is pretty shady. I don't mind bringing in a kid with good intentions only to be honest with him later about where he stands, but it could be argued that this was basically using someone to get to someone else. Now he really has no options if he wants to play basketball at the highest level.
Unless there is more to this story, I am not very happy about this. I'm not with bilsu that Wojo should be fired over this, but does this really represent what you want Marquette to be about?
+1 to all of this conditional on it being true.
I get that Wojo was hired to win. I get it. But if he cut WE-Man and teammates are upset about it, then Wojo has once again 'threw his guys under the bus' so to speak (the first time is when he employed the white t-shirt motivational strategy, only later to admit that it was a gimmick, despite guys on the team buying into it). Not good leadership skills, IMO.
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I don't mind players being "recruited over." I mind pulling players scholarships when they are about to enter their senior year based simply on them no longer being considered good enough. After freshman and sophomore year? I get it. For instance, if this were Sandy or Sacar, I would understand. You gave them a shot and they didn't perform.
Yeah I'm with you on this. Wally leaving would be my preference(not that it matters) but that's only if its 100% his decision and one he thinks is best for him. No senior deserves to be just forced out.
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If I were a player I would just tweet cryptic messages every few weeks then come here to watch the world burn.
LOL yeah.
MU Player Tweet: "The man with the broken watch is right twice a day, but the man with two watches is never sure" *Logs on to Scoop*
-Scooper 1: Oh man, did you guys see MUPlayer's Tweet?!?!? Is he saying that Wojo's defensive strategy is flawed? Is he losing faith in the system?
-Scooper 2: TWITTA TRACKA <scrolling across screen>
-Scooper 3: OMG, look at this pic of JJJ--he is wearing a watch! It seems pretty clear to me that this tweet is about JJJ transferring
-Scooper 4: Ugh. More mind games that JJJ has to put up with
-Scooper 5: I asked my cousin's neighbor, who works at the Taco Bell (the one right near campus) and he says that Wojo may have purchased <recent recruit> a watch and the NCAA is possibly investigating
-Scooper 6: At this rate, we will be SLU in a matter of months.
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How would everyone feel if wally was told he needed to be around for the summer for basketball if he wants to be on the team.
Basically, choose basketball or track.
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Didnt David Koresh say something very similar?
The greatest post ever?
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Duane just tweeted
#mubb is down. @cayleighgriffin @Kim_Adams1
He tagged two Big East basketball reporters. What does this mean?
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Bald speculation doesn't count as evidence.
If you knew me (or could see a photo of me), you'd know that bald speculation is the only kind of speculation I'm capable of.
As for whether or not Wally has been Pol-axed, I won't lose one second of sleep either way.
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Duane just tweeted
#mubb is down. @cayleighgriffin @Kim_Adams1
He tagged two Big East basketball reporters. What does this mean?
It means nothing.
Kim Adams tweeted this:
"Putting together a page of the @BIGEASTMBB #RunningManChallenge videos...still waiting for 6 of the teams to enter the competition
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Why don't y'all just tweet his heine and ax 'im, hey?
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How would everyone feel if wally was told he needed to be around for the summer for basketball if he wants to be on the team.
Basically, choose basketball or track.
+1. This is what happened imo. A tough but right choice for wojo
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Duane just tweeted
#mubb is down. @cayleighgriffin @Kim_Adams1
He tagged two Big East basketball reporters. What does this mean?
Down means interested. More dance off? Who knows.
Edit: in fact, that's what it was. Learn 2 twitter.
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Holy crap you are all grasping for anything. Can we relax?
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This is Fing fantastic. One vague tweet and we end up here.
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Holy crap you are all grasping for anything. Can we relax?
No. No we cannot. THIS IS OFFSEASON SCOOP (said in 300 VOICE)
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Clearly, Duane isn't in class now or workin' out since he has time to tweet and such, hey?
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(channeling my inner MU82)
I can't believe Duane still associates with mubb after Wally was cut.
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So who is transferring? We need a transfer story!
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Has anyone seen Sacar lately???
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Kostas > Wally
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Remember when Ma transferred from Real Chili to that upstart place down the street on Wells, next to Wales on Wells?
Just imagine if Scoop were around then.
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Crean sucks
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Duane just tweeted
#mubb is down. @cayleighgriffin @Kim_Adams1
He tagged two Big East basketball reporters. What does this mean?
They're participating in a video/dance competition. So, nothing.
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My gosh, you have a 19 or 20 year old guy who tweets whatever comes in his mind and the first thing that happens is that 3009 Scoopers read it like the smoke signals out of the Vatican when a pope dies.
Get a life Boomer Generation!
Perhaps you don't realize it but these goofy Millennials put everything on Tweets, Postings and other social media. Quit acting like aging Boomers who haven't yet figured out their iPhones can do things other than make cellular phone calls.
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Not a boomer, and wasn't reading into it. Just thought it was a tweet of note given the recent roster uncertainty that comes with this time of year.
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I have very good reason to believe the barbershop story.
Well done BD84.
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me thinks it will be a long offseason for some scoopers
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Well....IF this is what happened, there was a VERY simple way to avoid this from the beginning...WIN games. Period. Winning solves everything. Too bad it's taken Wojo two years to figure that out though.
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Well....IF this is what happened, there was a VERY simple way to avoid this from the beginning...WIN games. Period. Winning solves everything. Too bad it's taken Wojo two years to figure that out though.
Bruh.... 20 wins...
Yes a bunch of cupcakes...but we were two choke jobs vs Belmont and depaul away from 22.... Yes there were some huge beat downs for a freshman laden team. But 20 wins...
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It means nothing.
Kim Adams tweeted this:
"Putting together a page of the @BIGEASTMBB #RunningManChallenge videos...still waiting for 6 of the teams to enter the competition
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Well....IF this is what happened, there was a VERY simple way to avoid this from the beginning...WIN games. Period. Winning solves everything. Too bad it's taken Wojo two years to figure that out though.
Huh? Winning would cause Wally to not be here?
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(channeling my inner MU82)
I can't believe Duane still associates with mubb after Wally was cut.
I'm just glad Duane's twittin' fingers ain't in a boot.
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My gosh, you have a 19 or 20 year old guy who tweets whatever comes in his mind and the first thing that happens is that 3009 Scoopers read it like the smoke signals out of the Vatican when a pope dies.
Get a life Boomer Generation!
Perhaps you don't realize it but these goofy Millennials put everything on Tweets, Postings and other social media. Quit acting like aging Boomers who haven't yet figured out their iPhones can do things other than make cellular phone calls.
I think that TV ad with the old man using his new I-Pad as a kitchen cutting board is freakin' hilarious. The reality is I'm closer to that dude than I'd care to admit.
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Wait, has there been more of those videos from MU besides the Sacar and Traci one??
https://twitter.com/bigeastmbb/status/722890885529075712
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Did he get 3rd place in the sales contest?
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If you knew me (or could see a photo of me), you'd know that bald speculation is the only kind of speculation I'm capable of.
As for whether or not Wally has been Pol-axed, I won't lose one second of sleep either way.
No Mo Fro????
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Remember when Ma transferred from Real Chili to that upstart place down the street on Wells, next to Wales on Wells?
Just imagine if Scoop were around then.
Chili Gene's!!!!
That place lasted about one month!
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https://twitter.com/bigeastmbb/status/722890885529075712
Wow. Providence really spoiled us
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Kostas > Wally
It's only that Kostas jumps higher.
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They're participating in a video/dance competition. So, nothing.
Ever seen Dancing with the Stars? That's one shady business, man.
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Chili Gene's!!!!
That place lasted about one month!
Good memory Keefe.
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It's only that Kostas jumps higher.
Really?? Sign him to the track team!
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Quit acting like aging Boomers who haven't yet figured out their iPhones can do things other than make cellular phone calls.
Wait - what?
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Really?? Sign him to the track team!
He'd be a project, his running is still raw.
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I'm just glad Duane's twittin' fingers ain't in a boot.
But Duane only makes easy tweets.
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But Duane only makes easy tweets.
Yeah, just basic tweets
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But Duane only makes easy tweets.
He tweets for the clicks.
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Looks like paint Touches thinks it's Wally too
https://painttouches.com/2016/04/20/is-wally-getting-woj-bombed/
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Looks like paint Touches thinks it's Wally too
https://painttouches.com/2016/04/20/is-wally-getting-woj-bombed/
Guess Wojo won't be at the Ellenson table when they call Henry's name on draft night.
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Looks like paint Touches thinks it's Wally too
https://painttouches.com/2016/04/20/is-wally-getting-woj-bombed/
Excuse my ignorance, but what does it take to write for paint touches? It looks like the guy has four posts and none have any inside knowledge that you wouldn't be found on this board. Is it any different than "Looks like Hiesenberg thinks it's Wally too"?
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Looks like paint Touches thinks it's Wally too
https://painttouches.com/2016/04/20/is-wally-getting-woj-bombed/
It is quite strange that he no longer follows Wojo, but follows Buzz.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what does it take to write for paint touches? It looks like the guy has four posts and none have any inside knowledge that you wouldn't be found on this board. Is it any different than "Looks like Hiesenberg thinks it's Wally too"?
Basic command of the English language, an internet connection and a computer. Just holla if you ever get the urge.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what does it take to write for paint touches? It looks like the guy has four posts and none have any inside knowledge that you wouldn't be found on this board. Is it any different than "Looks like Hiesenberg thinks it's Wally too"?
It's very different. Heisy would have posted the article and not give PT credit. He also would have said "would of" instead of "would have" and their instead of there or they're, or vice versa. Paint Touches knows the difference. So it's very different.
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Basic command of the English language, an internet connection and a computer. Just holla if you ever get the urge.
Chico penned his infamous "Choking dogs pee down their leg" piece for PT - so sometimes they waive the "basic command of the English language" requirement!
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Looks like paint Touches thinks it's Wally too
https://painttouches.com/2016/04/20/is-wally-getting-woj-bombed/
People track if someone "unfollows" the coach and other sources?
Wait, does this mean when Henry is playing in the NBA and if one day he is in the starting lineup, they won't say "from Marquette, he'll opt to say Rice Lake HS"?
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Excuse my ignorance, but what does it take to write for paint touches? It looks like the guy has four posts and none have any inside knowledge that you wouldn't be found on this board. Is it any different than "Looks like Hiesenberg thinks it's Wally too"?
My interview process for PT was basically "Hey TAMU, you don't suck on Scoop, want to write for us?"
I mean it all with love Andrei ;D
But more seriously, I would consider the other writers on PT to be a lot more connected than Heisenberg. Me? I'm just some guy on the internet.
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Well, if it is true that Wally got Pole Axed it reinforces the allegations that signing him was a cynical ploy.
I would not applaud Wojo for doing this.
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Well, if it is true that Wally got Pole Axed it reinforces the allegations that signing him was a cynical ploy.
I would not applaud Wojo for doing this.
If it's true, I'm less concerned with the method to lure Henry than I am with the lack of commitment to Wally and the ellenson family. If it's true, wojo used Wally for one purpose and then discarded him when that purpose was no longer needed.
IMO, this would be a huge blemish on wojo and Marquette. He would lose the respect of the players and national media might pick up the story. I hope this is not how this is playing out.
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Agreed. Let's remember there's a lot more to be played out and we shouldnt jump to conclusions. I had zero problem with Wojo recruiting Wally to land Henry, that's just good recruiting in my eyes. However, if Wallys commitment was to basketball and Wojo says thanks, but no thanks, that's not right. Who knows maybe this will all be resolved by 4:00 PM
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Chico penned his infamous "Choking dogs pee down their leg" piece for PT - so sometimes they waive the "basic command of the English language" requirement!
That was cracked sidewalks.
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Well, if it is true that Wally got Pole Axed it reinforces the allegations that signing him was a cynical ploy.
I would not applaud Wojo for doing this.
Keefe, it's , Wally. The reason is not that clandestine.
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Agreed. Let's remember there's a lot more to be played out and we shouldnt jump to conclusions. I had zero problem with Wojo recruiting Wally to land Henry, that's just good recruiting in my eyes. However, if Wallys commitment was to basketball and Wojo says thanks, but no thanks, that's not right. Who knows maybe this will all be resolved by 4:00 PM
Probably 5:00 pm on Friday.
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Not a cut.
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I think PT's news that the entire Ellenson family unfollowed Wojo is troubling.
I guess for me the line is somewhere around "Son, we're doing basketball related stuff this summer. If you want a scholly next year I'll need high jumping to wrap up when the outdoor season ends this Spring. If you wish to continue jumping and return to the team in October you're more than welcome as a walk-on."
And if that's the case, I'd feel much better if both sides announced that agreement.
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I think TAMU's news that the entire Ellenson family unfollowed Wojo is troubling.
I guess for me the line is somewhere around "Son, we're doing basketball related stuff this summer. If you want a scholly next year I'll need high jumping to wrap up when the outdoor season ends this Spring. If you wish to continue jumping and return to the team in October you're more than welcome as a walk-on."
And if that's the case, I'd feel much better if both sides announced that agreement.
Why would you feel better? They knew Wally wanted to go to Olympics when they recruited him. This is actually worse than telling Wally his scholarship will not be renewed, because they are trying to hide their duplicity by making it look like it is Wally's choice.
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What's going on is exactly what most are speculating is going on, and the reality is that DUane Wilson's tweet that started this thread is 100% accurate. It's a shady business...and it is a business. The sooner people just acknowledge and accept that, the happier and less affected by these things they are likely to be.
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Why would you feel better? They knew Wally wanted to go to Olympics when they recruited him. This is actually worse than telling Wally his scholarship will not be renewed, because they are trying to hide their duplicity by making it look like it is Wally's choice.
I guess my view is that Wojo has the right to expect full commitment from his scholarship athletes. Wojo also had the right to 'bend' that rule for Wally and he's done that by allowing him to Spring jump for 2 years. If he now says that to earn his scholly for next year and that jumping needs to end with the completion of this track season until he's exhausted his basketball eligibility I'm fine. Recall that Wally was a full basketball participant last summer including Italy. Also remember, he's on a basketball, not track, scholarship. I suppose I'm hoping that's the reality and Wojo is able to speak to the issue to everyone's satisfaction.
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What's going on is exactly what most are speculating is going on, and the reality is that DUane Wilson's tweet that started this thread is 100% accurate. It's a shady business...and it is a business. The sooner people just acknowledge and accept that, the happier and less affected by these things they are likely to be.
This seems to make no sense to me. You don't think the Hauser family is watching? A straight 'cut' makes little sense to me long term, even if Wally is 13th man. As I've said, I'm hoping the facts are more palatable.
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opps
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This seems to make no sense to me. You don't think the Hauser family is watching? A straight 'cut' makes little sense to me long term, even if Wally is 13th man. As I've said, I'm hoping the facts are more palatable.
Of course they're watching. Everyone is. Doesn't change the fact that this is the business they've chosen. Let's get real, if Wally played more like Henry, we wouldn't be talking about this. Same thing happens everywhere. It's the reason there's ~400 transfers each year. It's a shady, cutthroat business. That's the fact. People need to stop clinging to this sham notion of amateur athletics, student athletes, etc. It's kind of sad to me that the supposed amateur student athlete himself (Wilson) acknowledged it, but many of the grown men and women who ultimately fund the whole operation, can't bring themselves to admit it.
If hauser or whomever chooses to somewhere else because of, or to avoid this type of thing, he's going to end up very disappointed.
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Maybe I'm old fashioned. I've seen what you describe in business too and I absolutely hate it with a passion.
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I guess my view is that Wojo has the right to expect full commitment from his scholarship athletes. Wojo also had the right to 'bend' that rule for Wally and he's done that by allowing him to Spring jump for 2 years. If he now says that to earn his scholly for next year and that jumping needs to end with the completion of this track season until he's exhausted his basketball eligibility I'm fine. Recall that Wally was a full basketball participant last summer including Italy. Also remember, he's on a basketball, not track, scholarship. I suppose I'm hoping that's the reality and Wojo is able to speak to the issue to everyone's satisfaction.
And I would understand this completely. If Wojo said "we need you this summer" and Wally responded "I am going to try to qualify for the Olympics," I would entirely understand Wojo's position.
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Maybe I'm old fashioned. I've seen what you describe in business too and I absolutely hate it with a passion.
I don't necessarily disagree. Just pointing out the realities that aren't going away. My biggest problem is honestly the disingenuous way it's handled. Everyone knows what's going on, so why don't we just call it what it is. In many ways I have far more respect for a guy like calipari, who recognizes the system for the sham that it is, is pretty straightforward and honest about what he's doing and uses it to his advantage. Those guys aren't going to UK for and education any more than HE went to MU for an education. It's about basketball. Difference is, Calipari is basically open and honest about that fact, while most others are not. You tell me, which one is actually acting in the. best interest of those players?
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And I would understand this completely. If Wojo said "we need you this summer" and Wally responded "I am going to try to qualify for the Olympics," I would entirely understand Wojo's position.
I think nearly everyone would be fully on board with that. I also think it was okay to give Wally special treatment as a means to get Henry to MU, special treatment evidenced perhaps by a marginal Bball scholly along with Spring track privileges.
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I don't necessarily disagree. Just pointing out the realities that aren't going away. My biggest problem is honestly the disingenuous way it's handled. Everyone knows what's going on, so why don't we just call it what it is. In many ways I have far more respect for a guy like calipari, who recognizes the system for the sham that it is, is pretty straightforward and honest about what he's doing and uses it to his advantage. Those guys aren't going to UK for and education any more than HE went to MU for an education. It's about basketball. Difference is, Calipari is basically open and honest about that fact, while most others are not. You tell me, which one is actually acting in the. best interest of those players?
It's been less than 48 hours since Duane's tweet, and it's likely that any official decision was made after that. It's a bit early to say that this has been a cover-up of the true story. There hasn't been a story yet.
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Hey guys, what's going on? Just popped in here to see if there were any new memes created in this thread and to see what...was.....going.........on.............
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{opens door to thread for first time}
Hey guys, what's going on? Just popped in here to see if there were any new memes created in this thread and to see what...was.....going.........on.............
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Unfollowing x person on Twitter =
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And I would understand this completely. If Wojo said "we need you this summer" and Wally responded "I am going to try to qualify for the Olympics," I would entirely understand Wojo's position.
Me too, but only if Wojo did not make a promise--implicitly or explicitly--to Wally along the lines of 'yeah sure you can try out for the olympics and play basketball'. Because that would mean Wojo reneged on his word.
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I think nearly everyone would be fully on board with that. I also think it was okay to give Wally special treatment as a means to get Henry to MU, special treatment evidenced perhaps by a marginal Bball scholly along with Spring track privileges.
Let's keep in mind we had open scholarships in the past, so there was never the issue of having kids hoping to be fully committed to Marquette basketball and every single practice, workout, etc. when Walter was able to miss some of those things to compete in track and field. Right now we have a full roster and some extra kids interested in a scholarship.
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I think PT's news that the entire Ellenson family unfollowed Wojo is troubling.
I guess for me the line is somewhere around "Son, we're doing basketball related stuff this summer. If you want a scholly next year I'll need high jumping to wrap up when the outdoor season ends this Spring. If you wish to continue jumping and return to the team in October you're more than welcome as a walk-on."
And if that's the case, I'd feel much better if both sides announced that agreement.
Per the NCAA, he couldn't be a basketball walk-on if he's on a track scholarship (unless he was going to be a walk-on in both sports). This was put into the place to prevent football coaches from using scholarship "track athletes" as walk-ons...who just so happened to be NFL-caliber football players.
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How many people here seriously want Wally for one more year instead of a 6'9 bruiser for four years?
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Has anyone considered the possibility that either:
a) The "business" to which DuWil refers is not college basketball (i.e. he's talking about something totally different). Maybe he's been reading Vogue's or Heisenberg's posts over on the Politics board and has taken a different outlook on life.
or
b) All y'all getting played by the player himself. The players read Scoop, and they know we're reading their tweets.
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Personally, I don't understand why Wally was wasting his time with basketball anyway. With his track n field talent, I wouldn't have bothered with MU. I would have gone to a big-time SEC or PAC-12 school with a top track program. He may enjoy hoops, but his future is track. But hey, maybe that's just me.
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Recruits (in all walks of life) usually hear what they want to hear during the recruiting pitch. I bet Wojo covered his bases and yet I bet the Ellensons still feel burned. Hopefully both Ellensons finish out their school years.
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How many people here seriously want Wally for one more year instead of a 6'9 bruiser for four years?
I want the bruiser.......however, if true, I'm concerned with the fallout and spin.
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Has anyone considered the possibility that either:
a) The "business" to which DuWil refers is not college basketball (i.e. he's talking about something totally different). Maybe he's been reading Vogue's or Heisenberg's posts over on the Politics board and has taken a different outlook on life.
or
b) All y'all getting played by the player himself. The players read Scoop, and they know we're reading their tweets.
Exactly. Heck, we had someone thinking "#mubb is down" at 2 BE reporters meant that Duane was going to come out with intimate Hiroshima details on MUBB and take Wojo down with him, when it was about...a dance off.
I love Scoop (seriously).
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Exactly.
I wasn't concerned before, but now I'm definitely concerned....If Duane has fallen under Clickbaits spell he's gonna suck for sure next year.
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I wasn't concerned before, but now I'm definitely concerned....If Duane has fallen under Clickbaits spell he's gonna suck for sure next year.
;D
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Unfollowing x person on Twitter =
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I'm going to get even. I'm going to unfollow the Ellensons. I suppose I need to follow them first....and then I can unfollow them. That will lead to twitter justice.
I am curious, however, how does one know if someone use to follow someone, and now they don't? Is the only way to do this to literally take a snapshot of all the followers and then later do a match back?
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That was cracked sidewalks.
Don't bother tappy with details
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2011/01/marquette-choking-dogs-pee-themselves.html
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I want the bruiser.......however, if true, I'm concerned with the fallout and spin.
Isn't the real question "How many people here really want Katin Reinhardt for 1 year instead of having Henry Ellenson help MU with recruiting in Wisconsin?"
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BTW, if Wally's getting screwed, it's not by MU, it's by NCAA rule 15.5.7.2
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Isn't the real question "How many people here really want Katin Reinhardt for 1 year instead of having Henry Ellenson help MU with recruiting in Wisconsin?"
Yeah I gotta admit, unless Wojo thought something else was going to happen...and it just never did...I find the Reinhardt commit kinda interesting.
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Not a cut.
once again... care to flesh this out a bit? I don't even care if it's through a PM. I am just curious as this seems to be one of the more substantive statements so far.
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I'm going to get even. I'm going to unfollow the Ellensons. I suppose I need to follow them first....and then I can unfollow them. That will lead to twitter justice.
I am curious, however, how does one know if someone use to follow someone, and now they don't? Is the only way to do this to literally take a snapshot of all the followers and then later do a match back?
Yes you can take screenshots or there are apps like "Followback" that you can use to determine who is/was following who. It's really no different than people using FlightAware to see if Wojo's plane is going to be able to land at Augusta.
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Yeah I gotta admit, unless Wojo thought something else was going to happen...and it just never did...I find the Reinhardt commit kinda interesting.
Big ask, but if we take the Ellenson connection out...would you rather have Wally or Reinhardt? HE is gone so you need a PF which is then Young(hopefully). I get it all from a pure roster composition standpoint....the question is whether Wojo went back on promises (overt or implied)
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Isn't the real question "How many people here really want Katin Reinhardt for 1 year instead of having Henry Ellenson help MU with recruiting in Wisconsin?"
Kaitlin is not the 6'9" bruiser which I was referring.
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Kaitlin is not the 6'9" bruiser which I was referring.
Indeed...I have trouble keeping up with scholarship counts, but I thought they had enough even with Wally on the team. This moves tells me there is a commitment coming, but I could be off on my math.
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Isn't the real question "How many people here really want Katin Reinhardt for 1 year instead of having Henry Ellenson help MU with recruiting in Wisconsin?"
Do you think Ellenson is going to fly home to Wisconsin on his off days as an NBA rookie and pitch Marquette in Oswego, Plover, or Beloit?
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Kaitlin is not the 6'9" bruiser which I was referring.
Kaitlin Jenner is taking Walter's spot? No wonder the Ellensons are hurting.
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Do you think Ellenson is going to fly home to Wisconsin on his off days as an NBA rookie and pitch Marquette in Oswego, Plover, or Beloit?
Well, yeah. That's a perfectly reasonable Scoop expectation.
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Do you think Ellenson is going to fly home to Wisconsin on his off days as an NBA rookie and pitch Marquette in Oswego, Plover, or Beloit?
If what's being said on here is true, it will have ZERO effect on recruiting. Do you think some star HS baller is going to care that Wojo "cut" a 12th man who the kid has never heard of?
This kind of stuff happens all the time. I don't like it and I don't think it's fair, but that's how the system works.
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Big ask, but if we take the Ellenson connection out...would you rather have Wally or Reinhardt? HE is gone so you need a PF which is then Young(hopefully). I get it all from a pure roster composition standpoint....the question is whether Wojo went back on promises (overt or implied)
This really is the question, because no matter how much we may want to think otherwise, this suggests we are looking at two departures (Henry and Wally) and the two incoming replacements would be Reinhardt and an unnamed commit (Young or Gill, most likely).
Taking the Ellenson connection out, I'd rather have Reinhardt than Wally. Despite his allergy to rebounds, it provides another scorer and a player that has simply proven more at this level.
However, I have a hard time divorcing the two. What I'd really rather have is a big like Young or Gill and Wally. I'm not a fan of burning bridges or creating a negative perception of the program, especially to in-state recruits. If this ends up being framed the way it seems like it will, it could hurt our chances going forward with guys like Herro, Days, and probably most importantly Joey Hauser.
As I mentioned before, the Marquette on the front of the jersey means something more to me than the simple business of basketball. Our program should conduct itself in a manner that befits the name and the principles it represents.
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Do you think Ellenson is going to fly home to Wisconsin on his off days as an NBA rookie and pitch Marquette in Oswego, Plover, or Beloit?
No, but I don't think he'll be wearing his Marquette jersey during a post game media interview either.
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Yes you can take screenshots or there are apps like "Followback" that you can use to determine who is/was following who. It's really no different than people using FlightAware to see if Wojo's plane is going to be able to land at Augusta.
That's some dedication. Hat tip to the PT guys.
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This really is the question, because no matter how much we may want to think otherwise, this suggests we are looking at two departures (Henry and Wally) and the two incoming replacements would be Reinhardt and an unnamed commit (Young or Gill, most likely).
Taking the Ellenson connection out, I'd rather have Reinhardt than Wally. Despite his allergy to rebounds, it provides another scorer and a player that has simply proven more at this level.
However, I have a hard time divorcing the two. What I'd really rather have is a big like Young or Gill and Wally. I'm not a fan of burning bridges or creating a negative perception of the program, especially to in-state recruits. If this ends up being framed the way it seems like it will, it could hurt our chances going forward with guys like Herro, Days, and probably most importantly Joey Hauser.
As I mentioned before, the Marquette on the front of the jersey means something more to me than the simple business of basketball. Our program should conduct itself in a manner that befits the name and the principles it represents.
If someone else is coming in someone besides Wally has to leave as well. Howard toke Henry's scholarship, so already have 14 for 13 spots. If Wally leaves that only gets us to 13.
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That's some dedication. Hat tip to the PT guys.
That's one way of looking at it. Personally, it feels like TMZ reporting. They do a lot of nice work over there, but the who-followed-who feels like a lot of rumor-mongering rather than actual news. Maybe it's just me, but it feels more like something that would be posted in a click-bait thread or via PM.
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If someone else is coming in someone besides Wally has to leave as well. Howard toke Henry's scholarship, so already have 14 for 13 spots. If Wally leaves that only gets us to 13.
Bailey is on a 2 year mission and will not count against our scholarship count.
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If there is now bad blood between MU and the Ellensons, imagine the impact that it would have on MU's relationship with Wisconsin hs coaches and potential WI recruits. Bad, bad, bad PR for the program and just a lose in the long run. We have 13 - just go with what we've already got. Not a good sign with those unfollows - sounds petty, but the way of the 21st century digital world.
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If someone else is coming in someone besides Wally has to leave as well. Howard toke Henry's scholarship, so already have 14 for 13 spots. If Wally leaves that only gets us to 13.
Wrong. Right now we are 13
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Was this not suppose to get out until after the 2 visits? What effect is there if Gill and Young decline?
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How many people here seriously want Wally for one more year instead of a 6'9 bruiser for four years?
You are exaggerating it. Wally only takes up 1 more year, and honestly at this point I would expect the guy we could get for next year will be better than anyone at this point this year. It's just we want the immediate impact. So it's more of Wally versus a 1 year transfer or 1 year of a late freshmen recruit. I'm more concerned with wojo making promises he didn't keep. If he told Wally he would have 3 years of scholarship here and he is rescinding, that is a problem. It isn't like Henry suddenly left and the situation changed. This should have been planned better not to burn bridges. Then again, who knows what really is going down.
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Was this not suppose to get out until after the 2 visits? What effect is there if Gill and Young decline?
Hiroshima.
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It's impress when an athlete can play multiple sports in college, both in terms of sheer athleticism and handling the academic load that comes with school. That said a high level division one program needs players who can commitment totally to their team. Wojo knew going in that Wally wanted to compete in track as well as basketball. Was that dual sport agreement limited? Right now during this off season Marquette needs every player on the team to be all -- in the weight room and on the practice court. WE can't do that and follow his dream to the Olympics and beyond. Is it fair to the basketball team to give less than 100%? What was the understanding on his arrival at Marquette? Can circumstances change where neither party is at fault? What is more selfish -- a basketball coach who wants you as a full-time student and member of the team or a player who wants to split his time giving the most attention to a goal that many would view as strictly personal? These are all questions and I don't have the answers. It wouldn't be fair of me to judge either Wojo or WE until we have more information. The one thing I do agree on that is out there in the public is the "family first" comment on Twitter. That I support unconditionally and that is why I'm happy for Henry and the Ellenson Family that He is pursuing his dream of an NBA career.
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I don't think there is a direct influence on recruiting but IF this was a blind side on Wally and Henry is on his side there is going to be a lot of indirect influence. Henry will be less likely to show up on campus/at MU events while Wojo is here, Wisconsin coaches will see how Wojo was a snake with the Ellenson's, and other coaches will point out how Wojo and Ellenson don't get along when recruiting big-time recruits. There are a lot of negatives to treating your player's like trash. For now, I'm going to assume Wojo didn't screw the Ellenson family and there is more to the story like Wally originally stating he only wanted to have 2 years of schollie and then focus on track but now wants a third year.
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Was this not suppose to get out until after the 2 visits? What effect is there if Gill and Young decline?
The Frozena Effect.
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No, but I don't think he'll be wearing his Marquette jersey during a post game media interview either.
The video of Ellenson putting on the uniform 33 times is worth more in recruiting then if we dressed him head to toe in Marquette gear every day for the next year.
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The Frozena Effect.
Where's Waldo ...er Wally?
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It's impress when an athlete can play multiple sports in college, both in terms of sheer athleticism and handling the academic load that comes with school. That said a high level division one program needs players who can commitment totally to their team. Wojo knew going in that Wally wanted to compete in track as well as basketball. Was that dual sport agreement limited? Right now during this off season Marquette needs every player on the team to be all -- in the weight room and on the practice court. WE can't do that and follow his dream to the Olympics and beyond. Is it fair to the basketball team to give less than 100%? What was the understanding on his arrival at Marquette? Can circumstances change where neither party is at fault? What is more selfish -- a basketball coach who wants you as a full-time student and member of the team or a player who wants to split his time giving the most attention to a goal that many would view as strictly personal? These are all questions and I don't have the answers. It wouldn't be fair of me to judge either Wojo or WE until we have more information. The one thing I do agree on that is out there in the public is the "family first" comment on Twitter. That I support unconditionally and that is why I'm happy for Henry and the Ellenson Family that He is pursuing his dream of an NBA career.
I think this is where I am at on this issue. If it does end up being Wally leaving, it's hard to blame Wojo to ask for 100% focus. If some of you forgot, various members of the board were asking for Wojo's head only a month or so ago for team performance. You want 100% from Wojo...why is it unfair for him to ask the same from his players?
Again, it's speculation. But if that's the issue, I side with the program first.
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The video of Ellenson putting on the uniform 33 times is worth more in recruiting then if we dressed him head to toe in Marquette gear every day for the next year.
The concern regarding recruiting isn't really about Henry dressed in MU gear at all. It is potential of negative recruiting that other schools can use against MU, especially when it comes to some in-state recruits that we are trying to land.
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Indeed...I have trouble keeping up with scholarship counts, but I thought they had enough even with Wally on the team. This moves tells me there is a commitment coming, but I could be off on my math.
Your Math is correct. I suspect--like glow--that a commitment is forthcoming. At that time, we will hear who is gone.
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Kaitlin Jenner is taking Walter's spot? No wonder the Ellensons are hurting.
Ha--whoops
#buckleupbuckaroos
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Is in state talent going to continue to be what it has been in the last 10 years? Duke has not made their success off of local players, UK hasn't-Programs we want to be....Wojo is opening up the west coast with Stan...We can't have the Wisco Pipeline dry up but if he is going to poison the well he is doing it with a more national focus for our recruits. Buzz only had a small number of local guys and he had great success.
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How many people here seriously want Wally for one more year instead of a 6'9 bruiser for four years?
I want both and would rather we not have taken so many redundant guards/wings that we find ourselves in this situation.
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And for those concerned about the Hauser brothers....pending how their actual college careers turn out, while neither is rated/projected as high as Henry Ellenson both are individually rated/projected to be better than Wally. If Wally was Henry bait, that scenario wouldn't really be in play with the Hausers because I suspect we would want either one and both is just a bonus.
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I want both and would rather we not have taken so many redundant guards/wings that we find ourselves in this situation.
So which guard/wing would you get rid of to keep Wally?
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When he signed, Henry promised Wojo that he'd be in school for both of Wally's remaining seasons of eligibility. When Henry had a big season and saw the dollar signs, Wojo told Wally to talk some sense into him and remind him of the promise he had made to both of them. Instead, Wally encouraged Henry to follow his dream so Henry went back on his word, bolted for the NBA and now Wojo is telling Wally to take a hike too.
Keep in mind that this is only one account of a story that I just completely fabricated so take that for what it's worth.
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Keep in mind that this is only one account of a story that I just completely fabricated so take that for what it's worth.
I'm so conflicted - your tale doesn't let me know if I should be outraged at the Ellensons or Wojo.
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Wally got a scholarship to Marquette because his brother is Henry. If Henry decided to come back for his sophomore year Wally would still have that scholarship and still be on the team. Henry went pro so Wally was cut.
If Buzz pulled this Chico would be screaming squirmy and bemoaning the "Just win, baby" culture of our program. Because it's Wojo he and his ilk will instead preach patience.
Bad optics? Sure. Real fallout? Maybe. But Wojo (like all our other coaches) is trying to WIN NOW and let the "future" work itself out. This is big boy, just win, baby basketball so I can't fault him for that.
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So which guard/wing would you get rid of to keep Wally?
Reinhardt or Rowsey. Not saying that they won't be good players, or better than Wally, but neither of those guys play a position of need on this team and I hate the idea of taking a guy that will necessitate that you Pole-axe someone else.
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When he signed, Henry promised Wojo that he'd be in school for both of Wally's remaining seasons of eligibility. When Henry had a big season and saw the dollar signs, Wojo told Wally to talk some sense into him and remind him of the promise he had made to both of them. Instead, Wally encouraged Henry to follow his dream so Henry went back on his word, bolted for the NBA and now Wojo is telling Wally to take a hike too.
Keep in mind that this is only one account of a story that I just completely fabricated so take that for what it's worth.
SOMEONE NEED TO ALERT PAINT TOUCHES!!!!
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When he signed, Henry promised Wojo that he'd be in school for both of Wally's remaining seasons of eligibility. When Henry had a big season and saw the dollar signs, Wojo told Wally to talk some sense into him and remind him of the promise he had made to both of them. Instead, Wally encouraged Henry to follow his dream so Henry went back on his word, bolted for the NBA and now Wojo is telling Wally to take a hike too.
Keep in mind that this is only one account of a story that I just completely fabricated so take that for what it's worth.
I won't believe it until it's on Twitter.
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Reinhardt or Rowsey. Not saying that they won't be good players, or better than Wally, but neither of those guys play a position of need on this team and I hate the idea of taking a guy that will necessitate that you Pole-axe someone else.
So you would take an inferior player because promises may or may not have been made?
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When he signed, Henry promised Wojo that he'd be in school for both of Wally's remaining seasons of eligibility. When Henry had a big season and saw the dollar signs, Wojo told Wally to talk some sense into him and remind him of the promise he had made to both of them. Instead, Wally encouraged Henry to follow his dream so Henry went back on his word, bolted for the NBA and now Wojo is telling Wally to take a hike too.
Keep in mind that this is only one account of a story that I just completely fabricated so take that for what it's worth.
I don't think there's any evidence of your scenario.
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I don't think there's any evidence of your scenario.
The evidence is right there in his post....someone on a message board said it = true
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I think this is where I am at on this issue. If it does end up being Wally leaving, it's hard to blame Wojo to ask for 100% focus. If some of you forgot, various members of the board were asking for Wojo's head only a month or so ago for team performance. You want 100% from Wojo...why is it unfair for him to ask the same from his players?
Again, it's speculation. But if that's the issue, I side with the program first.
I am not saying necessarily that it is the wrong business decision. But it certainly makes the Wally play look very cynical.
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The evidence is right there in his post....someone on a message board said it = true
Right. So serious question eng, I suspect you and Joe try to take your journalistic responsibility seriously. You and I have discussed rumors that never made the podcast. That's good I think.
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Just win, baby!
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SOMEONE NEED TO ALERT PAINT TOUCHES!!!!
What did Mike Lovell Tweet and when did he Tweet it???
(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Me6e8bee71a762dd3cdaac8a93562a600o0&pid=15.1)
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Keefe
I agree on how things look if Wally is shown the door. I understand the long term plan and my gut says Wojo is to clean to not do things the right way. Only way that would happen, IMO, is if he is feeling heat to win. At this point the only pressure would be his own competitive pressure I would think.
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I won't believe it until it's on MIKE LOVELL'S Twitter.
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I don't think there's any evidence of your scenario.
You're right. There's not...or is there?
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Reinhardt or Rowsey. Not saying that they won't be good players, or better than Wally, but neither of those guys play a position of need on this team and I hate the idea of taking a guy that will necessitate that you Pole-axe someone else.
I can understand that for Reinhardt, but why Rowsey. It's better to cut a kid who you also offered a scholarship to?
Not directed at you specifically, but I can understand not liking this practice in college bball (both the kids leaving more often and the cutting), but I just don't understand why a WE situation is somehow worse. If you really don't like this, you probably should have been outraged and stopped following MU Bball in the early to mid 2000s
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Keefe
I agree on how things look if Wally is shown the door. I understand the long term plan and my gut says Wojo is to clean to not do things the right way. Only way that would happen, IMO, is if he is feeling heat to win. At this point the only pressure would be his own competitive pressure I would think.
Roger that, Goose. Wojo isn't under any pressure today from the people who cut his checks.
There is more to this story - if there is a story. As I said, Wojo is running a business and this would be a correct business decision. But he better be prepared for the PR sh1t storm.
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Roger that, Goose. Wojo isn't under any pressure today from the people who cut his checks.
There is more to this story - if there is a story. As I said, Wojo is running a business and this would be a correct business decision. But he better be prepared for the PR sh1t storm.
I think he is under more pressure this year than last...and it only gets worse the further you get from the tourney....Wojo knows this for sure.
You never know what is going to happen - kids leave | get injured | bad luck -- whatever.
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Not directed at you specifically, but I can understand not liking this practice in college bball (both the kids leaving more often and the cutting), but I just don't understand why a WE situation is somehow worse. If you really don't like this, you probably should have been outraged and stopped following MU Bball in the early to mid 2000s
For me, the reason the WE situation would hypothetically be worse is strictly because of Henry. If the worst-case scenario here proves to be true, it feels like Wally was brought in strictly as a carrot to dangle in front of Henry, then as soon as he was no longer useful (read: Henry left), he was tossed aside.
That isn't the same as simply inching a player out on their own merits. If Henry had instead declared he would be staying at Marquette for his senior season, does anyone think Wally would possibly be in this situation? Had Henry stayed, we'd have two Ellensons on the team next year and this entire discussion would be non-existent.
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For me, the reason the WE situation would hypothetically be worse is strictly because of Henry. If the worst-case scenario here proves to be true, it feels like Wally was brought in strictly as a carrot to dangle in front of Henry, then as soon as he was no longer useful (read: Henry left), he was tossed aside.
That isn't the same as simply inching a player out on their own merits. If Henry had instead declared he would be staying at Marquette for his senior season, does anyone think Wally would possibly be in this situation? Had Henry stayed, we'd have two Ellensons on the team next year and this entire discussion would be non-existent.
So instead of subtly reminding you of what CBBall is all about, it is more in your face... I get it. Just remember this is issue we are discussing is far from the real crimes of the sport (fake classes, paying players, paying handlers, prostitutes). Look I get the uneasiness, but this is the sport....if this is the event that makes you angry you may want another sport to follow or be more of an advocate to change the way it is managed.
Edit: also, I think the scenario you paint is the worse case scenario of what potentially happened. We Don't know.
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I think it's a truly fascinating, delicate scenario. With a ton of questions to consider. Are people more (potentially) upset that, morally, Wojo would shamelessly cut Wally when the sole reason he's here jumped ship 2 weeks prior or just about the backlash an upset Ellenson family (re: Henry) would have on recruiting? I personally would answer the latter. We've seen how engaged MUBB alumni have been awesome for the program, and you would hope that the best player since Wade would have much outward love for the program and coach. And you don't want to be viewed as a shady salesman that could be used against you from other coaches when you haven't built a cache like Cal.
But from strictly a basketball standpoint it's a no brainer. Gill or Young would be a certain upgrade over Wally and as has been said on here ad nauseum, Wojo is in win now mode. So in that regard I don't blame Wojo one bit, especially when said player has marginal talent and other interests that keep him from improving at basketball for months at a time. He's coaching for his job and sees the best way to succeed. Is 1 year of Gill and/or 4 years of Young and having some backlash more important than 1 year of Wally while keeping your prized NBA product and his family happy? At this point can Wojo afford to be seen as a great guy at the expense of bringing in talent to help us win? That's something many would truly go back and forth on, myself included.
If it is Sandy getting axed (with 2 prospects, who knows) does anyone even bat an eye? Or just because he's Henry's brother do people care about how his tenure here is handled and how people perceive it. Personally I agree that I would have passed on Reinhardt and just focused on bringing in a big at that point, but Wojo is doing all he can to assemble the best team possible and I am 100% behind him for that.
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So instead of subtly reminding you of what CBBall is all about, it is more in your face... I get it. Just remember this is issue we are discussing is far from the real crimes of the sport (fake classes, paying players, paying handlers, prostitutes). Look I get the uneasiness, but this is the sport....if this is the event that makes you angry you may want another sport to follow.
Edit: also, I think the scenario you paint is the worse case scenario of what potentially happened. We Don't know.
It absolutely is, and I'm withholding judgment until we have a better picture of what is going down. But I would definitely take issue with using a kid as a catspaw just to land his brother.
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I think it's a truly fascinating, delicate scenario. With a ton of questions to consider. Are people more (potentially) upset that, morally, Wojo would shamelessly cut Wally when the sole reason he's here jumped ship 2 weeks prior or just about the backlash an upset Ellenson family (re: Henry) would have on recruiting? I personally would answer the latter. We've seen how engaged MUBB alumni have been awesome for the program, and you would hope that the best player since Wade would have much outward love for the program and coach. And you don't want to be viewed as a shady salesman that could be used against you from other coaches when you haven't built a cache like Cal.
But from strictly a basketball standpoint it's a no brainer. Gill or Young would be a certain upgrade over Wally and as has been said on here ad nauseum, Wojo is in win now mode. So in that regard I don't blame Wojo one bit, especially when said player has marginal talent and other interests that keep him from improving at basketball for months at a time. He's coaching for his job and sees the best way to succeed. Is 1 year of Gill and/or 4 years of Young and having some backlash more important than 1 year of Wally while keeping your prized NBA product and his family happy? That's something many would truly go back and forth on, myself included.
If it is Sandy getting axed (with 2 prospects, who knows) does anyone even bat an eye? Or just because he's Henry's brother do people care about how his tenure here is handled and how people perceive it. Personally I agree that I would have passed on Reinhardt and just focused on bringing in a big at that point, but Wojo is doing all he can to assemble the best team possible and I am 100% behind him for that.
Difference is I think Cohen has options/eligibility. Does Wally have that?
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And if Wojo "coaching for his job" means "pulling a scholarship from a senior," then I hope he fails at his job.
But as others have said, it is very likely not a black and white scenario. We will just have to see how it plays out.
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I can understand that for Reinhardt, but why Rowsey. It's better to cut a kid who you also offered a scholarship to?
Not directed at you specifically, but I can understand not liking this practice in college bball (both the kids leaving more often and the cutting), but I just don't understand why a WE situation is somehow worse. If you really don't like this, you probably should have been outraged and stopped following MU Bball in the early to mid 2000s
You're correct and specifically in this instance Reinhardt is the guy that makes the least sense to me. My point was to not take them (Rowsey or Reinhardt) in the first place if it meant you were going to have to dump one of your current players. The point was not to dump one current player vs. another. Especially don't do that if you're bringing in guys where you don't have a specific need. We created a shortage of bigs by signing redundant wings and I hate the fact that we're addressing it by dumping one of those wings.
I have no idea how Wally feels about all of this or even if it is Wally leaving. I only have a problem if we are forcing out someone who has done all that is asked of him and wants to stay and play because we may be marginally improved with yet another wing.
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Difference is I think Cohen has options/eligibility. Does Wally have that?
Depends on if Wally can get enough credits together to graduate. As a grad transfer, he could find himself with a nice starting gig at a mid major somewhere. As a traditional transfer? Nope, would probably have to drop a level. Of course he has ton of options as a track athlete.
But to answer onepost's question, no. No one would bat an eye if it was Sacar or Sandy. This is all about fear of backlash from the Ellensons. There might be some, but I think its impact would be very short lived.
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This thread is an all-timer. Even for Scoop.
Bravo!
Bravo to the speculators, the story-tellers, the outraged, the mock outraged, the memers, the read-between-the-liners, the twitterers, the worst-case-scenario presenters, all those who used the word "if" at least a half-dozen times in their posts, and especially to my fellow sarcasm spewers.
Bravo, boys and girls, bravo!
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I have no idea how Wally feels about all of this or even if it is Wally leaving. I only have a problem if we are forcing out someone who has done all that is asked of him and wants to stay and play because we may be marginally improved with yet another wing.
This may be cold, but if Wally is cut in favor of another player, than my view is that he didn't do all that is asked of him. In order to earn a basketball scholarship at Marquette you need to be one of the best 13 players who is interested in being on the roster. If you didn't do that, than you didn't earn the scholarship. Regular students compete for scholarships and grants all the time. In the end only the most deserving will get them.
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I don't think there's any evidence of your scenario.
We are 10 pages in on a thread about a twitter post. This whole thing started because one person said wally got cut on this thread. His stater is literally the same as everyone has been arguing for the last couple days.
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CRYPTIC TWEET ALERT
Haanif Cheatham @H25_Cheatham 2h2 hours ago
Thank you God [praying hands emoji]
Clearly, this means that Wojo had the team draw straws to see who would be giving up their schollie so that Wojo's barber could be on the bench and travel with the team, thereby ensuring Wojo's hair game is strong every night.
HC did not draw the short straw. (https://d2yca6aknurwlp.cloudfront.net/emoticons/default_tinfoilhat3.gif)
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Depends on if Wally can get enough credits together to graduate. As a grad transfer, he could find himself with a nice starting gig at a mid major somewhere. As a traditional transfer? Nope, would probably have to drop a level. Of course he has ton of options as a track athlete.
But to answer onepost's question, no. No one would bat an eye if it was Sacar or Sandy. This is all about fear of backlash from the Ellensons. There might be some, but I think its impact would be very short lived.
Unless Wally showed up at the Al and found a bunch of his practice clothes on the lawn with Wojo firing more out the window, Wally being told his scholarship is no longer available would have zero impact on future recruiting. Sure, it could be brought up by coaches going after the same recruits but every other major program and coach in the country has been involved in similar instances. It would obviously stink for Wally and his family but the impact on MU would be minimal.
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Maybe I'm old fashioned. I've seen what you describe in business too and I absolutely hate it with a passion.
You and me both.
To top it off the radio station I am listening to keeps running an MU add, which says something like reputation matters so you should attend an MU graduate program. Maybe we are over reacting, but I just do not see how this helps MU's reputation. I want to be loyal to my team, I want the players to be loyal to MU and I of course want the coaches to be loyal to the players. It appeared we would actually have a year where no players transferred and now we may be having a player run off to get another player just makes me mad.
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Wally got a scholarship to Marquette because his brother is Henry. If Henry decided to come back for his sophomore year Wally would still have that scholarship and still be on the team. Henry went pro so Wally was cut.
If Buzz pulled this Chico would be screaming squirmy and bemoaning the "Just win, baby" culture of our program. Because it's Wojo he and his ilk will instead preach patience.
Bad optics? Sure. Real fallout? Maybe. But Wojo (like all our other coaches) is trying to WIN NOW and let the "future" work itself out. This is big boy, just win, baby basketball so I can't fault him for that.
I did not like everything Buzz did, but at least he could coach and he was entertaining.
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Has Cam tweeted anything that Scoop needs to discuss?
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I did not like everything Buzz did, but at least he could coach and he was entertaining.
So despite not liking this you will get over it as long as Wojo finally gets us into the tourney?
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HAVE WE HEARD FROM SACAR!!!???!!!
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Prince died today.
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It absolutely is, and I'm withholding judgment until we have a better picture of what is going down. But I would definitely take issue with using a kid as a catspaw just to land his brother.
Quite a few people think that is exactly what happened.
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Prince died today.
He's from Minneapolis.
Wally went to school in Minneapolis.
OH MY GOD!!!!
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And if Wojo "coaching for his job" means "pulling a scholarship from a senior," then I hope he fails at his job.
But as others have said, it is very likely not a black and white scenario. We will just have to see how it plays out.
Is he coaching for this job or is he worried that Coach K will retire before he can have something to show the Duke hiring committee? When Wojo came here he talked about building a strong bond with WI high school coaches. I originally thought he was going to push Cohen out the door. Whether it is Cohen or Wally it is like Wojo flipping the figure at Wisconsin high school coaches he originally work on building a relationship with. I think, if he was intending to be at MU for the long-term, he would not be burning Wisconsin recruiting bridges.
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Three separate questions:
1. Will Wally be on the 2016-17 basketball team?
All signs point toward no.
2. Was it a mutual decision or a heavy handed decision?
We don't know. I posted the Twitter unfollow stuff because it was publicly available. No sources or inferences. Just a very close knit family (Henry, Wally, Mom, Pop) unfollowing Wojo and MUBB around the same time that Henry Tweeted a message that could mean a million things. They only unfollowed those two accounts, not the program (other coaches, teammates) or university (MU, Lovell, other programs) as a whole. Put together, it smells nefarious, but I don't know, and said as much in the post. Wally hasn't been in the workout shots Duane and Haanif post for about 3 weeks. Probably has to do with training for track, but probably contributed to the situation of All in or All out.
3. Is it right?
Definitely should wait until No. 1 is answered, probably until both sides of No. 2 get told. But I think it's a very valid discussion with merits on both sides of the equation. Getting a head start on the convo is what forums are for, why do people get upset at it? I tried talking to my wife, who love to watch games with me, about it and she couldn't care less. Everyone here cares about the team, the way its run, and the way its perceived. If at the end of the week Wally tweets he isn't going anywhere, this will have all been a huge waste of time, like it would still be if MU releases a presser at 4:59 pm on Friday saying Wally has left the team to focus on Rio 2016.
4. Bonus: Will any of this matter if MU reaches the Tourney this year?
Not one bit.
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He's from Minneapolis.
Wally went to school in Minneapolis.
OH MY GOD!!!!
Where's Sacar from?
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He's from Minneapolis.
Wally went to school in Minneapolis.
OH MY GOD!!!!
Sacar too!
It's not good.
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Quite a few people think that is exactly what happened.
Quite a few people also think Elvis is still alive while others think vaccines are harmful. Until there's something a bit more concrete, I'm not throwing the program under the bus.
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Where's Sacar from?
AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Where's Sacar from?
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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So despite not liking this you will get over it as long as Wojo finally gets us into the tourney?
I actually believe Wojo will never take MU to the NCAA tourney.
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I actually believe Wojo will never take MU to the NCAA tourney.
He only makes the easy tourneys.
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Basic tourneys.
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Quite a few people think that is exactly what happened.
Ergo
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I actually believe Wojo will never take MU to the NCAA tourney.
So for you this has nothing to do about really being outraged or feeling bad. You just don't like the coach. It's fine to have that position.
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Is he coaching for this job or is he worried that Coach K will retire before he can have something to show the Duke hiring committee? When Wojo came here he talked about building a strong bond with WI high school coaches. I originally thought he was going to push Cohen out the door. Whether it is Cohen or Wally it is like Wojo flipping the figure at Wisconsin high school coaches he originally work on building a relationship with. I think, if he was intending to be at MU for the long-term, he would not be burning Wisconsin recruiting bridges.
I think you are being extremely dramatic. Flipping the finger at WI high school coaches?! Cmon that's ridiculous. Wally was a transfer and everyone claims Henry was one and done before the season even started.
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You and me both.
To top it off the radio station I am listening to keeps running an MU add, which says something like reputation matters so you should attend an MU graduate program. Maybe we are over reacting, but I just do not see how this helps MU's reputation. I want to be loyal to my team, I want the players to be loyal to MU and I of course want the coaches to be loyal to the players. It appeared we would actually have a year where no players transferred and now we may be having a player run off to get another player just makes me mad.
I agree, if true, I worry about the Hauser equation. I'm very old school.
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Wally has been sharing some details with others about this issue, so I don't mind sharing.
Wally found out on Sunday. He's really interested in playing ball, even if it is elsewhere. However, he does not have enough credits to graduate, and if he transfers without having graduated, he still can't play because of the six year rule. Wally, understandably, is pretty upset with his new reality.
What none of us know is how big of a surprise this is. All of us at scoop were reading the tea leaves with the recruiting going on for a PF. My guess is that Wally hit some sort of threshold with Wojo, that in hindsight, made Wally the logical choice to sever the relationship.
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Wally lost both of his legs in a cannon accident. Really, really sad.
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Y'all worry too much. Let's make MU great again, hey?
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You and me both.
To top it off the radio station I am listening to keeps running an MU add, which says something like reputation matters so you should attend an MU graduate program. Maybe we are over reacting, but I just do not see how this helps MU's reputation. I want to be loyal to my team, I want the players to be loyal to MU and I of course want the coaches to be loyal to the players. It appeared we would actually have a year where no players transferred and now we may be having a player run off to get another player just makes me mad.
Over reacting? On this board?
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It absolutely is, and I'm withholding judgment until we have a better picture of what is going down. But I would definitely take issue with using a kid as a catspaw just to land his brother.
What if Wojo recruited him both because of his brother and because he saw some athletic talent that he hoped he would be able to shape into a player who would be able to contribute on a high major team? If the second reason ended up not happening, is it fair to expect Wojo to keep Wally at the expense of the team just because of the first reason?
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Reinhardt or Rowsey. Not saying that they won't be good players, or better than Wally, but neither of those guys play a position of need on this team and I hate the idea of taking a guy that will necessitate that you Pole-axe someone else.
This type of stuff makes me laugh, and there is way too much of it in this thread. Scholarships are one years deals. Wojo's job is make MU the best team he can. Wally was the 13th man and would bring very little value to next years team, and MU needs a big. Thats really all there is to it.
Who gives a crap about promises? Its A ONE YEAR DEAL! If Wally was better at basketball, he wouldn't have been cut. This is the big leagues of college hoops - Wojo is doing the right thing, and people saying otherwise are way too sensitive. Ladies and gentlemen, this stuff HAPPENS IN HIGH SCHOOL EVEN!
As for recruiting, if anyone doesn't come to MU because of this, they're soft and don't have much confidence in their abilities anyways. Probably better they go somewhere else.
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Wally has been sharing some details with others about this issue, so I don't mind sharing.
Wally found out on Sunday. He's really interested in playing ball, even if it is elsewhere. However, he does not have enough credits to graduate, and if he transfers without having graduated, he still can't play because of the six year rule. Wally, understandably, is pretty upset with his new reality.
This sounds correct.
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I actually believe Wojo will never take MU to the NCAA tourney.
Wait...what? Like 3 posts before this quote you were talking about Wojo not being here for the long term and looking for the easiest way to the Duke head coaching job. Something doesn't add up...
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This sounds is correct.
FIFY
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Right. So serious question eng, I suspect you and Joe try to take your journalistic responsibility seriously. You and I have discussed rumors that never made the podcast. That's good I think.
I'm 99% sure that Merritt was going full MU82 in his story
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Depends on if Wally can get enough credits together to graduate. As a grad transfer, he could find himself with a nice starting gig at a mid major somewhere. As a traditional transfer? Nope, would probably have to drop a level. Of course he has ton of options as a track athlete.
But to answer onepost's question, no. No one would bat an eye if it was Sacar or Sandy. This is all about fear of backlash from the Ellensons. There might be some, but I think its impact would be very short lived.
I'd bat an eye. Both guys have far more of future at MU than Wally friggin' Ellenson.
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Where's Sacar from?
Sacar is Prince?
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One thing to keep in mind is these are kids. Teenage kids. Most of them do grow up, and become more of an adult thinker closer to when they graduate. That's not a knock on them. That was me, and all of us too when we went to MU for 4 years (or 5 or 6).
Wally, I suspect, must have missed some communication, or simply reacted once it became reality. That's not a knock on him, just a very reasonable explanation for how this has come about. Perhaps, the message was there, but hard for a young man to process and comprehend.
Wally's lucky in that he has very supportive, engaged parents. I'm sure Wally, with the support of his family, will see their way though this, and view it in a more mature light in the future...that may be a day, a week, or even years from now, but it will happen.
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What if Wojo recruited him both because of his brother and because he saw some athletic talent that he hoped he would be able to shape into a player who would be able to contribute on a high major team? If the second reason ended up not happening, is it fair to expect Wojo to keep Wally at the expense of the team just because of the first reason?
For 2 years now there's been the idea that Wally is only here to get Henry. The staff can't be oblivious to this and has to understand the potential backlash, both short term in the media and long term in potential negative recruiting tactics.
In the past, Marquette has failed to get out in front of stories that were pretty obvious from the get go. This would disappoint me both from the perspective of using Wally like a human bargaining chip and the perspective of not grasping the potential negative fallout of such actions.
Further, if RC's account is true (and he's the first poster I trust bringing info to the table) the staff should have realized this 9 months ago and been pushing Wally to become degree eligible. Just a failing on numerous levels.
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For those "waiting to hear more," here's what you'll get. "Wally Ellenson has decided to leave the program to pursue his professional track and field career. We are very thankful for the contributions Wally and the Ellenson family have given to the Marquette basketball program and wish him the best in his future endeavors."
The end.
If hearing nothing means his scholarship was unexpectedly and cold heartedly pulled from him to some of you, then get ready for Hiroshima.
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One thing to keep in mind is these are kids. Teenage kids. Most of them do grow up, and become more of an adult thinker closer to when they graduate. That's not a knock on them. That was me, and all of us too when we went to MU for 4 years (or 5 or 6).
Wally, I suspect, must have missed some communication, or simply reacted once it became reality. That's not a knock on him, just a very reasonable explanation for how this has come about. Perhaps, the message was there, but hard for a young man to process and comprehend.
Wally's lucky in that he has very supportive, engaged parents. I'm sure Wally, with the support of his family, will see their way though this, and view it in a more mature light in the future...that may be a day, a week, or even years from now, but it will happen.
One of your better post's Thanks
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For 2 years now there's been the idea that Wally is only here to get Henry. The staff can't be oblivious to this and has to understand the potential backlash, both short term in the media and long term in potential negative recruiting tactics.
In the past, Marquette has failed to get out in front of stories that were pretty obvious from the get go. This would disappoint me both from the perspective of using Wally like a human bargaining chip and the perspective of not grasping the potential negative fallout of such actions.
Further, if RC's account is true (and he's the first poster I trust bringing info to the table) the staff should have realized this 9 months ago and been pushing Wally to become degree eligible. Just a failing on numerous levels.
Get out ahead of what? Have Wojo hold weekly pressers about Wally's status or continually stating that they did not use Wally as bait for Henry?
At the end of the day, there were misunderstandings in one camp and an attempt to thread the needle too much on the other. It happens, and I fully believe that all parties will get past this at some point, but it's fresh pain right now and I get that. Nothing permanently damaging has been done and if we are trading Wally for Young we are getting better for next season and several seasons after that.
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So is this official? Can change the thread to "Wally has been cut. MU can now find a real PF."
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Isn't the timing curious? We don't have a commitment. Or has Kalif promised perhaps?
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Isn't the timing curious? We don't have a commitment. Or has Kalif promised perhaps?
Need to free up a scholarship before you can hand one out, no?
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Katin Reinhardt better be really effin good.
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Isn't the timing curious? We don't have a commitment. Or has Kalif promised perhaps?
BD changed his name after the banquet. Maybe they got a very good indication at some point.
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Isn't the timing curious? We don't have a commitment. Or has Kalif promised perhaps?
Things are happening in the background, nothing is official, hence no announcement.....all parties have to play their part before anything is official.
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Katin Reinhardt better be really effin good.
Why? He just has to be better than Wally.
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Need to free up a scholarship before you can hand one out, no?
Actually no. Nothing counts until August school starts if I'm not mistaken.
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Katin Reinhardt better be really effin good.
I agree but for a completely different reason than you
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Isn't the timing curious? We don't have a commitment. Or has Kalif promised perhaps?
Well, it is curious that he has cancelled his two other official visits but has kept his one with MU. If he makes it here next week, gotta believe we are the frontrunner.
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If the Wally story is true, there's no reason he couldn't be a walk-on and get a track scholarship..is there?
If not, Henry can pay his tuition if he stays for track.
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Katin Reinhardt better be really effin good.
Assuming Wally is gone, Young signs up, and no other roster changes are made, then Reinhardt will be the third best player on an NCAA tournament caliber team, IMHO.
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Yeah, so where is Cigs at already? Anyways, schollies are 1 year commitments that are renewable. So, next man up, hey?
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If the Wally story is true, there's no reason he couldn't be a walk-on and get a track scholarship..is there?
If not, Henry can pay his tuition if he stays for track.
You can't play basketball on a track scholarship.
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Katin Reinhardt better be really effin good.
Or else...?
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If the Wally story is true, there's no reason he couldn't be a walk-on and get a track scholarship..is there?
If not, Henry can pay his tuition if he stays for track.
As others have stated in this thread, it is against NCAA rules for a player to have a track scholarship and walk on for basketball. This is to keep schools from stashing extra basketball players on the track team.
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If the Wally story is true, there's no reason he couldn't be a walk-on and get a track scholarship..is there?
If not, Henry can pay his tuition if he stays for track.
This has been asked multiple times. There is some rule due to Football teams placing players on track scholarships and then walking on for football to save scholarships. Therefore it is not allowed.
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Get out ahead of what? Have Wojo hold weekly pressers about Wally's status or continually stating that they did not use Wally as bait for Henry?
At the end of the day, there were misunderstandings in one camp and an attempt to thread the needle too much on the other. It happens, and I fully believe that all parties will get past this at some point, but it's fresh pain right now and I get that. Nothing permanently damaging has been done and if we are trading Wally for Young we are getting better for next season and several seasons after that.
I wouldn't assume there was a misunderstanding.
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For 2 years now there's been the idea that Wally is only here to get Henry. The staff can't be oblivious to this and has to understand the potential backlash, both short term in the media and long term in potential negative recruiting tactics.
In the past, Marquette has failed to get out in front of stories that were pretty obvious from the get go. This would disappoint me both from the perspective of using Wally like a human bargaining chip and the perspective of not grasping the potential negative fallout of such actions.
Further, if RC's account is true (and he's the first poster I trust bringing info to the table) the staff should have realized this 9 months ago and been pushing Wally to become degree eligible. Just a failing on numerous levels.
Honestly, I don't think there will be that much backlash. At worst, Marquette makes a statement to the effect of "Wally is pursuing his dream of being a professional track athlete" and the Ellensons say nothing publicly in response because that would be in their best interest. Some Badger fans might start a thread on Buckyville saying "Proof that Wally was just Henry bait" that will quickly die after a week or two. Maybe, maybe the MJS does a story on it but without the Ellensons or Marquette giving them anything, the story is just speculation. Maybe a few coaches try to use at as a negative recruiting tactic, but all Wojo has to do is say "Wally was the 13th man on the roster and wasn't going to get playing time. You will never be the 13th man on my roster. Especially not your senior year." Recruits don't care what happened to others, they only care what a coach will do for them. I also don't think the Ellenson family is as connected in Wisconsin high school basketball as some seem to think. So we don't get anymore recruits from Rice Lake. I think our positive relationship with SPASH through the Hausers would be much more impactful.
Reality is 99% of the college basketball world will be completely unaware that this even happened....and the 1% will forget about it by the time next season starts.
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Honestly, I don't think there will be that much backlash. At worst, Marquette makes a statement to the effect of "Wally is pursuing his dream of being a professional track athlete" and the Ellensons say nothing publicly in response because that would be in their best interest. Some Badger fans might start a thread on Buckyville saying "Proof that Wally was just Henry bait" that will quickly die after a week or two. Maybe, maybe the MJS does a story on it but without the Ellensons or Marquette giving them anything, the story is just speculation. Maybe a few coaches try to use at as a negative recruiting tactic, but all Wojo has to do is say "Wally was the 13th man on the roster and wasn't going to get playing time. You will never be the 13th man on my roster. Especially not your senior year." Recruits don't care what happened to others, they only care what a coach will do for them.
Reality is 99% of the college basketball world will be completely unaware that this even happened....and the 1% will forget about it by the time next season starts.
Scoop Never Forgets.
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Actually no. Nothing counts until August school starts if I'm not mistaken.
Right, I didn't mean literally. But the sooner the better in terms of Wally moving on assuming he is going to try to find somewhere else to play.
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Scoop Never Forgets.
Truer words have never been spoken. I'm continually amazed by scoop's ability to remember who posted what years ago. Hell, people remember what people posted on other boards before scoop existed!
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Why? He just has to be better than Wally.
We all know we needed a 4, and Wojo took Reinhardt with the last available slot, so I see that as the trade off. We already have JJJ to play major minutes at the 3 with Sandy to back-up. Regardless of what the true story is, MU is going to take a big PR hit for this, damage relations with our newest high-profile NBA player, and give our opponents plenty of material for negative recruiting. I see all of this as a big negative, so I hope Katin is worth it.
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Scoop Never Forgets.
I hope this is the reason we choose to hate Wojo when he leaves rather than the other reasons a coach leaves (failure)
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If what's being said on here is true, it will have ZERO effect on recruiting. Do you think some star HS baller is going to care that Wojo "cut" a 12th man who the kid has never heard of?
This kind of stuff happens all the time. I don't like it and I don't think it's fair, but that's how the system works.
I disagree.
I remember back when Illinois was unable to get any kids out of Chicago for a span of several years because the HS coaches were mad at the university for what they perceived were slights towards Chicago.
The problem will not be the kids. It will be the HS coaches that see a Wisconsin kid being slighted.
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Instead of looking at this moment in time, I look at the entire "ellenson marquette journey" and have a hard time seeing the injustice (if this is even true).
Two years ago Wally decides to leave Minnesota as he is not pleased with his playing time, relationship with new coaching staff...whatever. At that point he is a flyer in terms of what he can do at the D1 basketball level for a program.
Wojo signs him as a transfer knowing our roster is decimated and hoping he can contribute but also obviously hoping it influences his brother to come to MU (as a likely one and done). But...there are NO guarantees of this...it was not a package deal. It was quite possible Henry could have ended up somewhere else or, quite possible if Wally signed somewhere else (like a smaller school where he may have gotten lots of playing time) that Henry would not have followed him and they would not have had a year to play together in college.
Wally sits out last year but kills it in Big East track and field setting all sorts of conference records. Wojo gets to see him for a year in practice and watch if he develops.
Henry joins MU and brothers get to practice together, play together, be part of the same team/program.
While the team did not achieve post season play, it was a good year for Henry as he ends up a likely lottery pick which means he got to showcase his skills against quality opponents and reaffirm his already likely lottery status entering college.
Wally does not play near the minutes some thought as Wojo is able to assess the talent on the squad and has seen Wally for two years so he knows what he has in him as a basketball player.
Henry leaves. But, he leaves having gotten the unique opportunity to play one year with his brother (who could have stayed at Minnesota...gone to a smaller school...focused just on track...whatever). Henry set for his future.
Wally left behind with either a limited role on the team or the possibility he has been asked or agreed to explore other options. If the original "flyer" on him following his 2 years at Minnesota would have been affirmed that he is a high D1 basketball talent...it may be different.
Now we shall see if Wally is leaving or not...and may never know the full circumstances and what has been discussed between coach, player and family. But, to look at the past two years and all the variables that could or could not have happened...I'd say it was a good year at MU this year for the Ellensons.
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We all know we needed a 4, and Wojo took Reinhardt with the last available slot, so I see that as the trade off. We already have JJJ to play major minutes at the 3 with Sandy to back-up. Regardless of what the true story is, MU is going to take a big PR hit for this, damage relations with our newest high-profile NBA player, and give our opponents plenty of material for negative recruiting. I see all of this as a big negative, so I hope Katin is worth it.
I really think you are overestimating the "PR hit" this will cause. Most of the college basketball world won't realized it happened. Most of those that do won't care. The few who do will forget before next season.
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I disagree.
I remember back when Illinois was unable to get any kids out of Chicago for a span of several years because the HS coaches were mad at the university for what they perceived were slights towards Chicago.
The problem will not be the kids. It will be the HS coaches that see a Wisconsin kid being slighted.
Spurning the outright payments or deference to the Chicago AAU/high school scene and this are not even close situations.
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I wouldn't assume there was a misunderstanding.
Perhaps misunderstanding is not the correct word, failure to accept what was being said is probably more accurate but seems harsh.
We all want to believe our own truths, even if they are the universal truth so to speak.
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Spurning the outright payments or deference to the Chicago AAU/high school scene and this are not even close situations.
Not to mention that the basketball talent in Wisconsin is not in the same ballpark as Chicago.
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I disagree.
I remember back when Illinois was unable to get any kids out of Chicago for a span of several years because the HS coaches were mad at the university for what they perceived were slights towards Chicago.
The problem will not be the kids. It will be the HS coaches that see a Wisconsin kid being slighted.
Chicago has other i$$ue$ when it comes to recruiting.
This event might hurt us with the coach of Rice Lake....its not going to hurt us in the parts of the state that actually matter (Milwaukee, Madison, SPASH, etc)
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Can you believe what a huge hit UW took with the Jerrod Uthoff situation? I mean, obviously Bo and the program could never recover from that downfall. What a horrendous PR hit that was. So glad that happened and UW was never to be heard from in the NCAA Tournament again...
Oh wait.
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Get out ahead of what? Have Wojo hold weekly pressers about Wally's status or continually stating that they did not use Wally as bait for Henry?
At the end of the day, there were misunderstandings in one camp and an attempt to thread the needle too much on the other. It happens, and I fully believe that all parties will get past this at some point, but it's fresh pain right now and I get that. Nothing permanently damaging has been done and if we are trading Wally for Young we are getting better for next season and several seasons after that.
Push Wally to be in position to graduate so he can continue to pursue basketball as a graduate transfer if he so desires. Breach the topic throughout the season so that it doesn't come as a surprise to Wally or the family in late April when the silly season is in full bloom. Above all, don't secure a commitment from his replacement before you inform him that he won't be back, which is really what the Reinhardt commitment feels like right now.
The situation just feels like it could have been better thought out and planned than a last minute notification and a likely late-Friday announcement. And if it is announced at 4:55 tomorrow, all the more reason I'm not in favor. The only reason for press releases at that time is when you know you f***ed up and hope the media ignores it.
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If WE really wants to play another year of bball it looks like his only option is for HE to pays his way
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Perhaps misunderstanding is not the correct word, failure to accept what was being said is probably more accurate but seems harsh.
We all want to believe our own truths, even if they are the universal truth so to speak.
So you're assuming that Wojo indicated to Wally at some point that he would only have a scholarship as long as Henry was at MU?
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I really think you are overestimating the "PR hit" this will cause. Most of the college basketball world won't realized it happened. Most of those that do won't care. The few who do will forget before next season.
I think the impact will only be local and nobody outside of Wisconsin will care one bit. It just gives more ammunition to people that want to cut down MU and undercuts the "family" environment they talk about all the time. The worst part will be if it impacts Henry's relationship with the program.
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One thing to keep in mind is these are kids. Teenage kids. Most of them do grow up, and become more of an adult thinker closer to when they graduate. That's not a knock on them. That was me, and all of us too when we went to MU for 4 years (or 5 or 6).
Wally, I suspect, must have missed some communication, or simply reacted once it became reality. That's not a knock on him, just a very reasonable explanation for how this has come about. Perhaps, the message was there, but hard for a young man to process and comprehend.
Wally's lucky in that he has very supportive, engaged parents. I'm sure Wally, with the support of his family, will see their way though this, and view it in a more mature light in the future...that may be a day, a week, or even years from now, but it will happen.
well said my man.
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well said my man.
Thanks Bro. Hey, by the way, is it Sonoran Salsa season yet?????
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If WE really wants to play another year of bball it looks like his only option is for HE to pays his way
Not that HE should have to, but DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING.
Millionaires don't have time for general bitchy, tit-for-tat stuff... solve the damn problem for your brother and everyone can move on.
But HE should come to this on his own... if Wojo et al are suggesting this, then it's a totally different story.
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Push Wally to be in position to graduate so he can continue to pursue basketball as a graduate transfer if he so desires. Breach the topic throughout the season so that it doesn't come as a surprise to Wally or the family in late April when the silly season is in full bloom. Above all, don't secure a commitment from his replacement before you inform him that he won't be back, which is really what the Reinhardt commitment feels like right now.
The situation just feels like it could have been better thought out and planned than a last minute notification and a likely late-Friday announcement. And if it is announced at 4:55 tomorrow, all the more reason I'm not in favor. The only reason for press releases at that time is when you know you f***ed up and hope the media ignores it.
At the end of the day, I think this situation will leave lots of room for interpretation within the Scoop community for years to come. Neither Wojo or the Ellenson's will tell their side and it will be left to people who know things to insinuate what happened and meanwhile very few will know the true story.
And there is nothing to say what you are suggesting didn't take place and we still ended up here.
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Thanks Bro. Hey, by the way, is it Sonoran Salsa season yet?????
yes indeed, starting in May I'll be doing the Dousman farmers market on Wednesday and Waukesha on Saturday. Happy habanero!!
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And above all else, for me it's still the morality of this. I have higher expectations of Marquette. My biggest issue is that by pulling his scholarship, Marquette is also preventing Wally from playing basketball ever again at the DI level. He apparently doesn't have the credits to leave as a graduate transfer, and if he goes elsewhere, he would exhaust his eligibility in the year he sits out. His only recourse is to walk-on, which I would be fine with had it been thoroughly discussed with the family, but if this is coming as a blindside to anyone, then the staff didn't do their job.
If you're in the "basketball is a business" boat, then that's your opinion and I know I won't change it. But by the same token, I truly believe Marquette represents more than basketball and anyone with Marquette on the front of their shirt, their resume, or their business card should aspire to something better ethically than the "Just win, baby" idiocy that new poster Al Davis likes to spout constantly. I care about winning. I also care about how we win. I'm not a fan of these types of tactics whatsoever.
Wojo has a responsibility to be honest and forthright with the kids he recruits. If Wally is having his dream of completing his basketball career taken away from him because the staff didn't do their due diligence in keeping the players and family informed of the situation or started taking commitments without knowing his own players' plans, that's a serious problem.
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And above all else, for me it's still the morality of this. I have higher expectations of Marquette. My biggest issue is that by pulling his scholarship, Marquette is also preventing Wally from playing basketball ever again at the DI level. He apparently doesn't have the credits to leave as a graduate transfer, and if he goes elsewhere, he would exhaust his eligibility in the year he sits out. His only recourse is to walk-on, which I would be fine with had it been thoroughly discussed with the family, but if this is coming as a blindside to anyone, then the staff didn't do their job.
If you're in the "basketball is a business" boat, then that's your opinion and I know I won't change it. But by the same token, I truly believe Marquette represents more than basketball and anyone with Marquette on the front of their shirt, their resume, or their business card should aspire to something better ethically than the "Just win, baby" idiocy that new poster Al Davis likes to spout constantly. I care about winning. I also care about how we win. I'm not a fan of these types of tactics whatsoever.
Wojo has a responsibility to be honest and forthright with the kids he recruits. If Wally is having his dream of completing his basketball career taken away from him because the staff didn't do their due diligence in keeping the players and family informed of the situation or started taking commitments without knowing his own players' plans, that's a serious problem.
I agree with this. I would rather lose a couple basketball games than Marquette pull this kind of stuff, IF this situation is as presented. IF there is more to the story, than I am all ears and have an open mind.
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I agree with this. I would rather lose a couple basketball games than Marquette pull this kind of stuff, IF this situation is as presented. IF there is more to the story, than I am all ears and have an open mind.
The full story won't come out so we're just going to have to fight about it for at least the next year or two. Neither side has interest in dragging this into the mud so it'll be a bump in the road and something that a bunch of nerds on a message board will fight about but that'll be about it.
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If this all ends up going down how it looks like it will, with Wally leaving, then Wojo should do everything in his power to petition the NCAA either to allow Wally to be immediately eligible or to be granted a sixth year to play basketball. If the kid wants to keep playing, then it's on Wojo to make damn sure that happens. Wally made a commitment to Wojo and Marquette, Wojo should be willing to make the same commitment in return.
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Honestly, I don't think there will be that much backlash. At worst, Marquette makes a statement to the effect of "Wally is pursuing his dream of being a professional track athlete" and the Ellensons say nothing publicly in response because that would be in their best interest. Some Badger fans might start a thread on Buckyville saying "Proof that Wally was just Henry bait" that will quickly die after a week or two. Maybe, maybe the MJS does a story on it but without the Ellensons or Marquette giving them anything, the story is just speculation. Maybe a few coaches try to use at as a negative recruiting tactic, but all Wojo has to do is say "Wally was the 13th man on the roster and wasn't going to get playing time. You will never be the 13th man on my roster. Especially not your senior year." Recruits don't care what happened to others, they only care what a coach will do for them. I also don't think the Ellenson family is as connected in Wisconsin high school basketball as some seem to think. So we don't get anymore recruits from Rice Lake. I think our positive relationship with SPASH through the Hausers would be much more impactful.
Reality is 99% of the college basketball world will be completely unaware that this even happened....and the 1% will forget about it by the time next season starts.
When you said at worst, did you mean, at best? Cuz that worse case scenario seems ok with me!
At worst....Wally speaks up publicly how he was forced out, not his decision, no choice, thought Wojo was a better man than this, shouldn't have come here, etc.
Henry speaks up publicly and says he can't believe Wojo would do this, he's two faced, never would have come here, retreats from MU and cuts all ties. He continues to echo this sentiment throughout Wisconsin through his BB camps, HS coaches, other potential recruits, etc.
Ellenson family publicly states they can't believe Wojo, he's not to be trusted, told us one thing-did another, wish we would have stayed away from MU all together.
Wojo tries to defends his actions and gets killed in the local and national media.
These things would be closer to the "the worst" thing that happens from thing when compared to a vanilla statement that WE likes track and he's good at it, so he gowne.
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And above all else, for me it's still the morality of this. I have higher expectations of Marquette. My biggest issue is that by pulling his scholarship, Marquette is also preventing Wally from playing basketball ever again at the DI level. He apparently doesn't have the credits to leave as a graduate transfer, and if he goes elsewhere, he would exhaust his eligibility in the year he sits out. His only recourse is to walk-on, which I would be fine with had it been thoroughly discussed with the family, but if this is coming as a blindside to anyone, then the staff didn't do their job.
If you're in the "basketball is a business" boat, then that's your opinion and I know I won't change it. But by the same token, I truly believe Marquette represents more than basketball and anyone with Marquette on the front of their shirt, their resume, or their business card should aspire to something better ethically than the "Just win, baby" idiocy that new poster Al Davis likes to spout constantly. I care about winning. I also care about how we win. I'm not a fan of these types of tactics whatsoever.
Wojo has a responsibility to be honest and forthright with the kids he recruits. If Wally is having his dream of completing his basketball career taken away from him because the staff didn't do their due diligence in keeping the players and family informed of the situation or started taking commitments without knowing his own players' plans, that's a serious problem.
I respect your opinion. But this is sort of a bunch of BS.
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When you said at worst, did you mean, at best? Cuz that worse case scenario seems ok with me!
At worst....Wally speaks up publicly how he was forced out, not his decision, no choice, thought Wojo was a better man than this, shouldn't have come here, etc.
Henry speaks up publicly and says he can't believe Wojo would do this, he's two faced, never would have come here, retreats from MU and cuts all ties. He continues to echo this sentiment throughout Wisconsin through his BB camps, HS coaches, other potential recruits, etc.
Ellenson family publicly states they can't believe Wojo, he's not to be trusted, told us one thing-did another, wish we would have stayed away from MU all together.
Wojo tries to defends his actions and gets killed in the local and national media.
These things would be closer to the "the worst" thing that happens from thing when compared to a vanilla statement that WE likes track and he's good at it, so he gowne.
Has this ever happened in the history of any program?
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Has this ever happened in the history of any program?
Well...maybe not exactly, but the Uthoff situation at UW sure felt pretty similar to that.
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I respect your opinion. But this is sort of a bunch of BS.
+1. (On the second sentence)
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Well...maybe not exactly, but the Uthoff situation at UW sure felt pretty similar to that.
And there has been virtually no permanent fall out from that....in fact 99% of people don't even remember Uthoff even went to Wisconsin
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A few observations/opinions:
1. Why is everybody assuming that the Ellensons will never tell their side? It might not happen immediately, but all it will take is for Henry to be comfortable with a reporter or to be in the mood to talk. It took a couple of years before Wade said how hurt he was that Illinois and DePaul spurned him. Once Hankster is an established pro, and if he feels like talking, he will. For that matter, Wally could talk about it after he's officially done at Marquette. And didn't John Ellenson talk about some bitterness from his own playing days? Why do we assume he'll never talk about this? I doubt any of them will have signed non-disclosure agreements, nor that MU will have asked them to.
2. Those opining that the Pol-axing of Wally will have long-term negative repercussions on the program ... holy effen drama! Likely, the repercussions will be minimal and short-lived. As at least one poster said, high school studs care only about themselves. And if Wojo is as good a recruiter as he sure seems to be, this won't be an issue.
3. All Wally had to do to secure his place on this year's team was project as a contributor in 2016-17. He didn't. He couldn't get court time at Minnesota, either. It's not an accident or a conspiracy. It's simply a fact that Wally is not an especially good basketball player.
4. A couple of people brought up how this might influence the Hausers. In what way? Sam is already signed up; soon he'll be taking part in our summer program. Unlike Wally, he's a top-100 recruit with serious talent, so the notion that Wojo recruited him just to get to Joey is silly. Sam already will have been at Marquette for quite some time before Joey makes his decision. I would think Joey would consider how Sam likes his Marquette experience, not Wally Ellenson's situation. I mean, did Henry base his decision on Newbill?
5. Did Wojo "use" Wally to get Henry? Maybe, but as others have pointed out, Wally used having an All-American brother to get himself a pretty sweet situation, too. As a Marquette alum, I don't feel one iota of shame or sliminess in this situation. If Buckyville makes fun of us, who gives a shyte? They do anyway.
6. I'll be quiet now. Maybe some 2021 recruit is reading this board and we don't want him to get the wrong idea.
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When you said at worst, did you mean, at best? Cuz that worse case scenario seems ok with me!
At worst....Wally speaks up publicly how he was forced out, not his decision, no choice, thought Wojo was a better man than this, shouldn't have come here, etc.
Henry speaks up publicly and says he can't believe Wojo would do this, he's two faced, never would have come here, retreats from MU and cuts all ties. He continues to echo this sentiment throughout Wisconsin through his BB camps, HS coaches, other potential recruits, etc.
Ellenson family publicly states they can't believe Wojo, he's not to be trusted, told us one thing-did another, wish we would have stayed away from MU all together.
Wojo tries to defends his actions and gets killed in the local and national media.
These things would be closer to the "the worst" thing that happens from thing when compared to a vanilla statement that WE likes track and he's good at it, so he gowne.
You really think the Ellenson family of Nowhere, Wisconsin is going to get more media traction than Duke legend (and presumptive K successor) Steve Wojciechowski?
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A few observations/opinions:
1. Why is everybody assuming that the Ellensons will never tell their side? It might not happen immediately, but all it will take is for Henry to be comfortable with a reporter or to be in the mood to talk. It took a couple of years before Wade said how hurt he was that Illinois and DePaul spurned him. Once Hankster is an established pro, and if he feels like talking, he will. For that matter, Wally could talk about it after he's officially done at Marquette. And didn't John Ellenson talk about some bitterness from his own playing days? Why do we assume he'll never talk about this? I doubt any of them will have signed non-disclosure agreements, nor that MU will have asked them to.
2. Those opining that the Pol-axing of Wally will have long-term negative repercussions on the program ... holy effen drama! Likely, the repercussions will be minimal and short-lived. As at least one poster said, high school studs care only about themselves. And if Wojo is as good a recruiter as he sure seems to be, this won't be an issue.
3. All Wally had to do to secure his place on this year's team was project as a contributor in 2016-17. He didn't. He couldn't get court time at Minnesota, either. It's not an accident or a conspiracy. It's simply a fact that Wally is not an especially good basketball player.
4. A couple of people brought up how this might influence the Hausers. In what way? Sam is already signed up; soon he'll be taking part in our summer program. Unlike Wally, he's a top-100 recruit with serious talent, so the notion that Wojo recruited him just to get to Joey is silly. Sam already will have been at Marquette for quite some time before Joey makes his decision. I would think Joey would consider how Sam likes his Marquette experience, not Wally Ellenson's situation. I mean, did Henry base his decision on Newbill?
5. Did Wojo "use" Wally to get Henry? Maybe, but as others have pointed out, Wally used having an All-American brother to get himself a pretty sweet situation, too. As a Marquette alum, I don't feel one iota of shame or sliminess in this situation. If Buckyville makes fun of us, who gives a shyte? They do anyway.
6. I'll be quiet now. Maybe some 2021 recruit is reading this board and we don't want him to get the wrong idea.
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A few observations/opinions:
5. Did Wojo "use" Wally to get Henry? Maybe, but as others have pointed out, Wally used having an All-American brother to get himself a pretty sweet situation, too. As a Marquette alum, I don't feel one iota of shame or sliminess in this situation. If Buckyville makes fun of us, who gives a shyte? They do anyway.
And it's not like HE didn't have other options....
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And it's not like HE didn't have other options....
If HE really cared about his brother he would have forsaken the NBA and stayed. I blame this all on HE.
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If HE really cared about his brother he would have forsaken the NBA and stayed. I blame this all on HE.
This goes further back -- We finally got back at John for transferring to the great satan -- WI
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So if Wally wins the NCAA high jump title, does he list his school at "unattached?"
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So if Wally wins the NCAA high jump title, does he list his school at "unattached?"
He just autocorrects 'M' with 'F' in MU
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“I don’t think any decent human being enjoys recruiting.”
--Al McGuire
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If you're in the "basketball is a business" boat, then that's your opinion and I know I won't change it. But by the same token, I truly believe Marquette represents more than basketball and anyone with Marquette on the front of their shirt, their resume, or their business card should aspire to something better ethically than the "Just win, baby" idiocy that new poster Al Davis likes to spout constantly. I care about winning. I also care about how we win. I'm not a fan of these types of tactics whatsoever.
Like it or not, this is how successful programs operate in today's world of college athletics. If you want to win, you do what's best for the program as a whole, not necessarily what's best for individual players. Unfortunately, Wally is a senior who isn't going to be a key contributor to the team next year so, in the minds of coaches, he's wasting a scholarship that could be going to a player who has a better chance to contribute next season and potentially beyond. Programs that end up "wasting" scholarships on non-contributors rarely have extended runs of success.
Would you rather have the 2010-11 MU team feature Crowder, DJO and Butler or Mbao, Hazel and Christopherson? I know, I know, those departures didn't go one for one with those arrivals, but that gives you an idea of what you're looking at if programs don't clear "wasted" scholarships from time to time. It's an ugly side of the game, but it's still part of the game.
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Well...maybe not exactly, but the Uthoff situation at UW sure felt pretty similar to that.
Didn't UW make back-to-back Final Fours after the Uthoff situation.
Let's just hope this doesn't set back Marquette's program the way the DJ Newbill situation did.
Really, I hope Wally didn't get hosed here. It would reflect poorly on Wojo, IMO.
But the notion that this would have some long-lasting negative implications for the program is silly.
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Spurning the outright payments or deference to the Chicago AAU/high school scene and this are not even close situations.
I'm not talking recent. This was back 25 years - give or take - or so ago.
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I'm not talking recent. This was back 25 years - give or take - or so ago.
So am I -- do you think this is a recent phenomenon
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Nvm, mu82 said it better than I ever could
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But to answer onepost's question, no. No one would bat an eye if it was Sacar or Sandy.
For what it's worth, might Wojo face some criticism from his colleague coaching the women's team. If Sandy gets woj-bombed, could it drive him and his half-sister to both leave. That might be a big blow to the rebuilding women's program that Coach Kieger might resent Wojo for.
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For what it's worth, might Wojo face some criticism from his colleague coaching the women's team. If Sandy gets woj-bombed, could it drive him and his half-sister to both leave. That might be a big blow to the rebuilding women's program that Coach Kieger might resent Wojo for.
Zero chance of getting Ella now.
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Really, I hope Wally didn't get hosed here. It would reflect poorly on Wojo, IMO.
Define hosed? He can likely still attend Marquette....
1) With a track scholarship, but not play basketball. He gets a degree and lives a life with no college debt.
2) Himself or his family *cough* pay for the final credits he needs to graduate - and Wojo would welcome him as a walk-on
3) He attempts to get a track and field sponsorship - which could pay for schooling and perhaps walk onto the basketball team (I think we concluded tack sponsorship wouldn't affect basketball amateur status)
I mean the most "hosed" is situation 2, and he'd still end up with less college debt that most people.
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Define hosed? He can likely still attend Marquette....
1) With a track scholarship, but not play basketball. He gets a degree and lives a life with no college debt.
2) Himself or his family *cough* pay for the final credits he needs to graduate - and Wojo would welcome him as a walk-on
3) He attempts to get a track and field sponsorship - which could pay for schooling and perhaps walk onto the basketball team (I think we concluded tack sponsorship wouldn't affect basketball amateur status)
I mean the most "hosed" is situation 2, and he'd still end up with less college debt that most people.
If any of those situations occur I'm totally fine with this.
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Define hosed? He can likely still attend Marquette....
1) With a track scholarship, but not play basketball. He gets a degree and lives a life with no college debt.
2) Himself or his family *cough* pay for the final credits he needs to graduate - and Wojo would welcome him as a walk-on
3) He attempts to get a track and field sponsorship - which could pay for schooling and perhaps walk onto the basketball team (I think we concluded tack sponsorship wouldn't affect basketball amateur status)
I mean the most "hosed" is situation 2, and he'd still end up with less college debt that most people.
In my mind, hosed would mean initially being told he would be a scholarship member of the men's basketball team as long as he retains eligibility, but now being told he no longer has that scholarship for some reason other than his own malfeasance.
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I do love the maturation of MU news. Denial of the event, disparage whoever stated the event, come up with multiple other ways the event went down, justify the event when it becomes obvious it occured and finally tear apart the coach for said event once coach leaves for different job.
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Didn't UW make back-to-back Final Fours after the Uthoff situation.
Let's just hope this doesn't set back Marquette's program the way the DJ Newbill situation did.
Really, I hope Wally didn't get hosed here. It would reflect poorly on Wojo, IMO.
But the notion that this would have some long-lasting negative implications for the program is silly.
I remember people saying that when Newbill got dropped that Buzz would never get another player from Pennsylvania. As far as I can remember he did not get one. However, those bad vibes did not pass on to Wojo, so you are right they do not last forever. There is a difference though in pissing off coaches in PA than pissing off coaches in your schools home state.
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Has this ever happened in the history of any program?
I didn't say that it had happened, what I said is this is a real worst case scenario.
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There is a difference though in pissing off coaches in PA than pissing off coaches in your schools home state.
...or pissing off your program's latest NBA lottery-pick.
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You really think the Ellenson family of Nowhere, Wisconsin is going to get more media traction than Duke legend (and presumptive K successor) Steve Wojciechowski?
More? No.
Do you think that someone at sometime may ask them their opinion andfeelings on the situation? Yes.
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I remember people saying that when Newbill got dropped that Buzz would never get another player from Pennsylvania. As far as I can remember he did not get one. However, those bad vibes did not pass on to Wojo, so you are right they do not last forever. There is a difference though in pissing off coaches in PA than pissing off coaches in your schools home state.
If you think this is going to stop Wisconsin kids from going to MU....you are insane.
He got 2 years of a free education. After being at Minnesota for 2 years he should have been able to graduate.
Evan Anderson redshirted at UW and had a year left when he was nudged out.
UW is somehow still getting in state recruits.......
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I remember people saying that when Newbill got dropped that Buzz would never get another player from Pennsylvania. As far as I can remember he did not get one. However, those bad vibes did not pass on to Wojo, so you are right they do not last forever. There is a difference though in pissing off coaches in PA than pissing off coaches in your schools home state.
I think you overestimate how much this will piss off high school coaches in Wisconsin. At worst, this pisses off the coach of Rice Lake
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Evan Anderson redshirted at UW and had a year left when he was nudged out.
UW is somehow still getting in state recruits.......
Big easy got married & graduated early & scored a near six figure salary. He still hangs around the program. Not comparable
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I think you overestimate how much this will piss off high school coaches in Wisconsin. At worst, this pisses off the coach of Rice Lake
+1 he's 4 years removed from HS. The lasting impact will be the relationship with HE, which - depending on how acrimonious this separation is - could be more detrimental than if he was never here.
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Matty V confirmed Wally is out via twitter and said story is coming.
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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/wally-ellenson-no-longer-with-marquette-mens-basketball-team-b99711424z1-376626461.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/wally-ellenson-no-longer-with-marquette-mens-basketball-team-b99711424z1-376626461.html)
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Can't believe he cut Christian Haffner like that smh
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I think you overestimate how much this will piss off high school coaches in Wisconsin. At worst, this pisses off the coach of Rice Lake
I think the much worse part is you've burned bridges with your future NBA lottery pick. Imagine if that had happened to Wade or Butler. These NBA players do bring alot of press to the schools of their choosing. This was Wojo's only actual tie for the foreseeable future, and he may have burned that bridge (Waiting on actual story before passing judgement)
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Isn't playing hoops but still on full ride.
Meh.
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I think you overestimate how much this will piss off high school coaches in Wisconsin. At worst, this pisses off the coach of Rice Lake
I think you underestimate how this will impact AAU coaches tied to Ellenson, which are more important than HS coaches in the NW corner of the state
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A few observations/opinions:
1. Why is everybody assuming that the Ellensons will never tell their side? It might not happen immediately, but all it will take is for Henry to be comfortable with a reporter or to be in the mood to talk. It took a couple of years before Wade said how hurt he was that Illinois and DePaul spurned him. Once Hankster is an established pro, and if he feels like talking, he will. For that matter, Wally could talk about it after he's officially done at Marquette. And didn't John Ellenson talk about some bitterness from his own playing days? Why do we assume he'll never talk about this? I doubt any of them will have signed non-disclosure agreements, nor that MU will have asked them to.
2. Those opining that the Pol-axing of Wally will have long-term negative repercussions on the program ... holy effen drama! Likely, the repercussions will be minimal and short-lived. As at least one poster said, high school studs care only about themselves. And if Wojo is as good a recruiter as he sure seems to be, this won't be an issue.
3. All Wally had to do to secure his place on this year's team was project as a contributor in 2016-17. He didn't. He couldn't get court time at Minnesota, either. It's not an accident or a conspiracy. It's simply a fact that Wally is not an especially good basketball player.
4. A couple of people brought up how this might influence the Hausers. In what way? Sam is already signed up; soon he'll be taking part in our summer program. Unlike Wally, he's a top-100 recruit with serious talent, so the notion that Wojo recruited him just to get to Joey is silly. Sam already will have been at Marquette for quite some time before Joey makes his decision. I would think Joey would consider how Sam likes his Marquette experience, not Wally Ellenson's situation. I mean, did Henry base his decision on Newbill?
5. Did Wojo "use" Wally to get Henry? Maybe, but as others have pointed out, Wally used having an All-American brother to get himself a pretty sweet situation, too. As a Marquette alum, I don't feel one iota of shame or sliminess in this situation. If Buckyville makes fun of us, who gives a shyte? They do anyway.
6. I'll be quiet now. Maybe some 2021 recruit is reading this board and we don't want him to get the wrong idea.
Good point.
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Seems like he got the nudge to go qualify for the olympics in high jump on scholarship, hope my blue and gold glasses aren't too dark
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Seems like he got the nudge to go qualify for the olympics in high jump on scholarship, hope my blue and gold glasses aren't too dark
If that were the case the press release would have been worded as such and the parents wouldn't be subtweeting Wojo.
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More? No.
Do you think that someone at sometime may ask them their opinion andfeelings on the situation? Yes.
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It'd be great to get them on record rather then cryptic tweets. Still, they'll be viewed as a family feeling burned yet they're one son is a millionaire and their other son didn't pay a cent to play his hobby of ball whilst continuing to hone his tremendous skill as a track athlete after attending Marquette.
For the neutral, this isn't even a shoulder shrug of a story. And they still have to deal with Wojo, who after nearly 20 years on the front lines of this business will have a perfectly crafted narrative fine tuned just right so that the media moves on to another "controversy".
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My biggest concern is not that this happened... It happens all over the place, Wojo isn't dumb, he knows how this works in college basketball. Yes Wally will have all 4 years of his college free etc... (color me jealous cause I am still paying my college bill) and has a chance to join the olympic team.
However, biggest concern, how will the players on the team handle this? Will there be some backlash and lack of team going on?
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There could also be some lingering resentment of Wojo and staff of the current players regarding the situation.
The original purpose of the thread focused on a non-ellenson likely commenting negatively on this very issue.
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My biggest concern is not that this happened... It happens all over the place, Wojo isn't dumb, he knows how this works in college basketball. Yes Wally will have all 4 years of his college free etc... (color me jealous cause I am still paying my college bill) and has a chance to join the olympic team.
However, biggest concern, how will the players on the team handle this? Will there be some backlash and lack of team going on?
Considering Wally's parents had to sue his original high school over teammates bullying Wally, I'm not too worried about the other scholarship players.
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Actually no. Nothing counts until August school starts if I'm not mistaken.
Unless one gets Newbilled
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Considering Wally's parents had to sue his original high school over teammates bullying Wally, I'm not too worried about the other scholarship players.
Homey say what?
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Crean sucks
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So when do I get my Twitta Tracka of the year award haha
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So when do I get my Twitta Tracka of the year award haha
Hang a banner.
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Crean sucks
Thanks, Henry the dentist. We woulda never known,a'ina
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http://www.twincities.com/2011/02/15/ex-basketball-player-accuses-eau-claire-school-district-in-bullying-lawsuit/
Homey say what?
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Can you believe what a huge hit UW took with the Jerrod Uthoff situation? I mean, obviously Bo and the program could never recover from that downfall. What a horrendous PR hit that was. So glad that happened and UW was never to be heard from in the NCAA Tournament again...
Oh wait.
Uthoff was from Iowa. How many Iowa players has Wisconsin gotten since?
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I think you underestimate how this will impact AAU coaches tied to Ellenson, which are more important than HS coaches in the NW corner of the state
I don't think I am, really at all.
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http://www.twincities.com/2011/02/15/ex-basketball-player-accuses-eau-claire-school-district-in-bullying-lawsuit/
Some interesting reading in that article. Events like that, real or imagined, would create a bunker mentality for the Ellenson crew in their future dealings with basketball programs.
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I remember people saying that when Newbill got dropped that Buzz would never get another player from Pennsylvania. As far as I can remember he did not get one. However, those bad vibes did not pass on to Wojo, so you are right they do not last forever. There is a difference though in pissing off coaches in PA than pissing off coaches in your schools home state.
Satchel Pierce is from Pennsylvania.
And you're making a mighty big assumption that this is pissing off coaches in Wisconsin or anywhere else.
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Uthoff was from Iowa. How many Iowa players has Wisconsin gotten since?
Guess the Wisconsin pipeline is dead
Joking, because I tend to agree with you at least in the short term. This will blow over, but I don't have tremendous faith in Katin and Gill (assuming it's him and not Young) will make the potential PR headache worth it. I will be very happy if I'm wrong.
We do get the moral high ground in that we did not affect a kid to earn his college degree.
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Guess the Wisconsin pipeline is dead
Joking, because I tend to agree with you at least in the short term. This will blow over, but I don't have tremendous faith in Katin and Gill (assuming it's him and not Young) will make the potential PR headache worth it. I will be very happy if I'm wrong.
We do get the moral high ground in that we did not affect a kid to earn his college degree.
Katin was a starter for an NCAA tournament team this past season. Why do people think that him transferring to a team that didn't make the NIT last season will cause him to lose playing time? Not necessarily asking you, I've just seen that sentiment a few times. Katin would have been our second best player last season behind Henry.
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Uthoff was from Iowa. How many Iowa players has Wisconsin gotten since?
How many have they gone after?
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http://www.twincities.com/2011/02/15/ex-basketball-player-accuses-eau-claire-school-district-in-bullying-lawsuit/
This is really pathetic. If I slithered home and complained about being bullied at school I can just see my Phantom Driver father looking me square in the eye and telling me to grow the f#ck up.
Looks like the Ellensons are problematic people.
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There could also be some lingering resentment of Wojo and staff of the current players regarding the situation.
Of all the hyperbole in this thread, this seems to be a real concern. I would think it is manageable unless the going gets tough next year - i.e. Lots of losing.
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Keefe
I am with you. I never would have told my Dad if I had been bullied in fear of his response. My Dad was tough, but also very kind hearted. That said, with what he experienced growing up gave him a great perspective on modern day issues.
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Sounds like a wojo whack to Wally. Good luck to him and Henry in their pursuits
Wonder how the wonder boy wojo lovers view all this. Is it time to start waxing poetic to bring back the lonesome cowboy?
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There could also be some lingering resentment of Wojo and staff of the current players regarding the situation.
The original purpose of the thread focused on a non-ellenson likely commenting negatively on this very issue.
How much resentment do you think the team has if Wojo lets Wally hang around even though he won't play AND skip out on all the bball team activities that conflict with track/olympic activities meanwhile the team risks never getting to the tournament during Luke and JjJ playing career??
If Wally had been willing to commit to the team full time (give up track) I have no doubt he could have stayed on the team. He wasn't willing to do that (I wouldn't have been either) as a consequence MU made sure he could compete in his best sport and graduate with a Marquette degree debt free.
Once the initial shock and angst wears off I'm sure the team will be fine and I'm sure the Ellensons will be fine as well and we will find ourselves back in the good graces of Henry.
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How much resentment do you think the team has if Wojo lets Wally hang around even though he won't play AND skip out on all the bball team activities that conflict with track/olympic activities meanwhile the team risks never getting to the tournament during Luke and JjJ playing career??
If Wally had been willing to commit to the team full time (give up track) I have no doubt he could have stayed on the team. He wasn't willing to do that (I wouldn't have been either) as a consequence MU made sure he could compete in his best sport and graduate with a Marquette degree debt free.
Once the initial shock and angst wears off I'm sure the team will be fine and I'm sure the Ellensons will be fine as well and we will find ourselves back in the good graces of Henry.
Spot on eng. Sure it's a shock to the system. Many of us were pretty pissed until we heard the whole story and the arrangements MU made for Wally.
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This is really pathetic. If I slithered home and complained about being bullied at school I can just see my Phantom Driver father looking me square in the eye and telling me to grow the f#ck up.
Looks like the Ellensons are problematic people.
Keefe,
You can judge the Ellensons, that's your prerogative. But bullying is the number one cause of teen suicides in our country. Its a serious issues and it needs to be addressed with something more than "grow the f#ck up." Now I don't know that suing the school district is the best way to address it. Does seem a bit much to me but I don't know the details of the case.
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I do love the maturation of MU news. Denial of the event, disparage whoever stated the event, come up with multiple other ways the event went down, justify the event when it becomes obvious it occured and finally tear apart the coach for said event once coach leaves for different job.
QFT
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With regards to da Wally heave ho by Wojo, y'all don't seem ta get it. This isn't some playin' in da sandbox, holdin' hands, and singin' kumbaya gig. Warrior hoops is big time business and da University has committed da shekels needed for da coach to be successful. This team has not been to da post season for 3 years and it stings bad. If Steve can't get it done, he'll soon be standin' in line on 12th and Vliet St. Let da man do his job. Who da fook are we kiddin' here? Wojo and the athletic director are in obvious lockstep to right this ship. Frankly, there's a lot more dead driftwood on da roster that should be purged if an upgrade in talent were available.
Athletes transfer constantly, yet da coach is expected ta stand on higher ground. Don't commitments work both ways? Besides, athletic scholarships are one year renewable. So, everythin' with regards to Wally is kosher. He got a more than fair shake and continues to do so. Da answer is real simple. Wanna be on a basketball scholarship and part of da team? Then, improve yo game, ai na?
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Sounds like a wojo whack to Wally. Good luck to him and Henry in their pursuits
Wonder how the wonder boy wojo lovers view all this. Is it time to start waxing poetic to bring back the lonesome cowboy?
Buzz might have cut Wally the moment Henry signed the LOI.
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Keefe,
You can judge the Ellensons, that's your prerogative. But bullying is the number one cause of teen suicides in our country. Its a serious issues and it needs to be addressed with something more than "grow the f#ck up." Now I don't know that suing the school district is the best way to address it. Does seem a bit much to me but I don't know the details of the case.
+1. I believe it's also the #1 cause of mass shootings in schools.
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With regards to da Wally heave ho by Wojo, y'all don't seem ta get it. This isn't some playin' in da sandbox, holdin' hands, and singin' kumbaya gig. Warrior hoops is big time business and da University has committed da shekels needed for da coach to be successful. This team has not been to da post season for 3 years and it stings bad. If Steve can't get it done, he'll soon be standin' in line on 12th and Vliet St. Let da man do his job. Who da fook are we kiddin' here? Wojo and the athletic director are in obvious lockstep to right this ship. Frankly, there's a lot more dead driftwood on da roster that should be purged if an upgrade in talent were available.
Athletes transfer constantly, yet da coach is expected ta stand on higher ground. Don't commitments work both ways? Besides, athletic scholarships are one year renewable. So, everythin' with regards to Wally is kosher. He got a more than fair shake and continues to do so. Da answer is real simple. Wanna be on a basketball scholarship and part of da team? Then, improve yo game, ai na?
This.
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+1. I believe it's also the #1 cause of mass shootings in schools.
Just think. All of those suicides and mass shootings could have been avoided if those kids' dads had simply told them to Man Up.
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I can't stand bullies but it's hardly a new phenomenon. People killing themselves in droves BECAUSE of it or actually KILLING others as a manifestation of it seems to be. Over protective parents could be part of both problems.
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I can't stand bullies but it's hardly a new phenomenon. People killing themselves in droves BECAUSE of it or actually KILLING others as a manifestation of it seems to be. Over protective parents could be part of both problems.
I've wondered that myself. I think parenting definitely plays a role in why kids react differently to bullying than they did before. I think the more guilty party is the rise of the internet, cell phones, and social media. It used to be that you could escape your bullies in your own home. Now, kids have no quarter as their bullies can reach them at all times in front of a much larger audience.
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I've wondered that myself. I think parenting definitely plays a role in why kids react differently to bullying than they did before. I think the more guilty party is the rise of the internet, cell phones, and social media. It used to be that you could escape your bullies in your own home. Now, kids have no quarter as their bullies can reach them at all times in front of a much larger audience.
I agree with your analysis, TAMU.
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Keefe,
You can judge the Ellensons, that's your prerogative. But bullying is the number one cause of teen suicides in our country. Its a serious issues and it needs to be addressed with something more than "grow the f#ck up." Now I don't know that suing the school district is the best way to address it. Does seem a bit much to me but I don't know the details of the case.
I spent my first three years in a Japanese school and I can assure you that I know about bullying. Ijime is a very real issue in Japan - a society that demands strict conformity. As an American kid I stood out like a sore thumb.
When I whinged about it to my father he instructed me to figure out who was the lead sled dog and stand up to him. Once I did that everything was fine.
Effectively, my father told me to stop crying about it and to take action - in effect 'shut up and grow a pair.' His advice was spot on.
Kids need to sort things out for themselves. Suing the school district is weak.
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Keefe,
You can judge the Ellensons, that's your prerogative. But bullying is the number one cause of teen suicides in our country. Its a serious issues and it needs to be addressed with something more than "grow the f#ck up." Now I don't know that suing the school district is the best way to address it. Does seem a bit much to me but I don't know the details of the case.
The one time one of my kids was being bullied at school by a physically larger student, I went to the principal. When she didn't do anything I told her that I was going to go to the next school board meeting and publicly comment on her inability to handle the situation.
It was handled. 15+ years later my kid is a fine, well adjusted young adult. Sticking up for your kid when they need an advocate isn't "helicopter parenting."
(This has nothing to do with the Ellensons.)
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It is the offseason, and we seem to be recruiting a lot of bodies. That being said, Duane Wilson tweeted:
"It's a real shady business man."
"It is not yet time for the message to come true, but that time is coming soon;the message will come true."
Not sure if this is anything to read into or not.
What if the shady business here is not the dismissal of Wally, but actions from the Ellensons camp that may have been the straw that broke the camels back?
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What if the shady business here is not the dismissal of Wally, but actions from the Ellensons camp that may have been the straw that broke the camels back?
Good grief. Do you really have that much trouble sleeping at night? You know how this went down. Everybody does. Just admit it to yourself and move on.
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Sounds like a wojo whack to Wally. Good luck to him and Henry in their pursuits
Wonder how the wonder boy wojo lovers view all this. Is it time to start waxing poetic to bring back the lonesome cowboy?
Are you serious? Should this be in teal? The only thing more unlikely than you contemplating bringing back buzz would you contemplating voting for Hillary.
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I've wondered that myself. I think parenting definitely plays a role in why kids react differently to bullying than they did before. I think the more guilty party is the rise of the internet, cell phones, and social media. It used to be that you could escape your bullies in your own home. Now, kids have no quarter as their bullies can reach them at all times in front of a much larger audience.
I don't just agree with you TAMU, I lived through it with my daughter. Best solution is to know your children, be vigilant and to pick your battles. It's a bad problem, I agree, particularly with girls. But good parenting and knowing your children makes a world of difference.
Being VERY tough with and taking no crap from a school helps too.
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I don't just agree with you TAMU, I lived through it with my daughter. Best solution is to know your children, be vigilant and to pick your battles. It's a bad problem, I agree, particularly with girls. But good parenting and knowing your children makes a world of difference.
Being VERY tough with and taking no crap from a school helps too.
+1
There is no one size fits all answer. Usually, the right answer is to help your kids work through it, but there are situations where especially aggressive/violent bullies or poor school discipline can require intervention. Our daughters got through most issues growing up, but we did have one incident where a kid who had been threatening our daughter told her he had a knife in his locker. In that case, we knew that just telling our daughter to "be tough" wasn't good enough, so we went to school officials.
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I definitely agree you have to gauge your situations. when my son was in Cub Scouts we were on a camping trip and, while I was putting up a recalcitrant tent , my son came up crying that someone had taken his cap and wouldn't tell him where it was. I told him to "man up" and "convince" the perpetrator that that was not a healthy course to take. son came back wearing his cap and a big smile.
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Uthoff was from Iowa. How many Iowa players has Wisconsin gotten since?
Are you hinting that our Rice Lake connection is kaflooey now?
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With regards to da Wally heave ho by Wojo, y'all don't seem ta get it. This isn't some playin' in da sandbox, holdin' hands, and singin' kumbaya gig. Warrior hoops is big time business and da University has committed da shekels needed for da coach to be successful. This team has not been to da post season for 3 years and it stings bad. If Steve can't get it done, he'll soon be standin' in line on 12th and Vliet St. Let da man do his job. Who da fook are we kiddin' here? Wojo and the athletic director are in obvious lockstep to right this ship. Frankly, there's a lot more dead driftwood on da roster that should be purged if an upgrade in talent were available.
Athletes transfer constantly, yet da coach is expected ta stand on higher ground. Don't commitments work both ways? Besides, athletic scholarships are one year renewable. So, everythin' with regards to Wally is kosher. He got a more than fair shake and continues to do so. Da answer is real simple. Wanna be on a basketball scholarship and part of da team? Then, improve yo game, ai na?
You Norwegian, bro?
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You Norwegian, bro?
Nah--sounds more like a Chicago Bear fan, or a close relative to Ditka. Da Bears!
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Nah--sounds more like a Chicago Bear fan, or a close relative to Ditka. Da Bears!
Or Minnesotan. Uff da!
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I'm a refugee from The City, hey?
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I'm a refugee from The City, hey?
Baby, you don't have to live like a refugee...
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Are you hinting that our Rice Lake connection is kaflooey now?
All that great evening pie out of our grasp....
the horror...the horror...
(http://nitratediva.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/911.png)
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What's going on is exactly what most are speculating is going on, and the reality is that DUane Wilson's tweet that started this thread is 100% accurate. It's a shady business...and it is a business. The sooner people just acknowledge and accept that, the happier and less affected by these things they are likely to be.
Are you still holding onto the idea that a 21 year old's Tweet is calling out the head coach he is hoping to earn playing time from for what he would clearly then consider a BS move and it has remained up for nearly a week now?
Well, okay. And I'm sure his "#mubb is down" Tweet at 2 BE reporters actually IS about him spilling the dirty little secrets that are going to tear the MUBB program down, Wojo leading the way. We're all entitled to our own opinions...
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https://twitter.com/swaggydu1/status/725021251606028288
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https://twitter.com/swaggydu1/status/725021251606028288
Wet have a mazos burger sighting! Willie, put a shirt on!
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https://twitter.com/swaggydu1/status/725021251606028288
Best part is it includes a Mazos sitting, man I love to hate that twitter troll