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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Dr. Blackheart on April 09, 2016, 08:56:58 AM
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A few things of note for upcoming reseating...
- Any price increase will be confined to the lower bowl.
- With the Fan Advisory Committee input, a loyalty card program has been added, the "We Are Marquette Club". Most of the advantages were already available to STHs, but some nice new benies: One free ticket for each season ticket to an OOC game (excluding UW), attendance to a private practice, a raffle for dinner with Wojo. Also included is a Spirit Shop discount for entire season, BBQ half price, other sponsor discounts and giveaways, and a "special" gift for those with a ticket scanned for EVERY game.
- If MU adds a quality team at the BC, the free ticket offer is a nice reward.
- Reseating runs June 1-7.
- The Coors Light Corner remains for alums of the past five years.
- All STHs will get a 20%-50% discount on single ticket purchases, including UW.
Edited to remove the Gavitt Games reference.
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Lower bowl seat increases...
- Floor money seats: +$100
- The three continuous sections of corners: +$30
- All other court facing seats (majority), despite the section: +$50
- No seat donation increases.
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A few things of note for upcoming reseating...
- Any price increase will be confined to the lower bowl.
- With the Fan Advisory Committee input, a loyalty card program has been added, the "We Are Marquette Club". Most of the advantages were already available to STHs, but some nice new benies: One free ticket for each season ticket to an OOC game (excluding UW), attendance to a private practice, a raffle for dinner with Wojo. Also included is a Spirit Shop discount for entire season, BBQ half price, other sponsor discounts and giveaways, and a "special" gift for those with a ticket scanned for EVERY game.
- MU will host a Gavitt game at the BC which makes the free ticket offer above a nice reward.
- Reseating runs June 1-7.
- The Coors Light Corner remains for alums of the past five years.
- All STHs will get a 20%-50% discount on single ticket purchases, including UW.
That Gavitt Games game is for the 2017-18 season per the reseating package not the 16-17 season . That's the final season in the BC.
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That Gavitt Games game is for the 2017-18 season per the reseating package not the 16-17 season . That's the final season in the BC.
Good catch...my bad. Still if we have a decent home and home series, with next season being MU's home, the complimentary ticket deal is nice.
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Good catch...my bad. Still if we have a decent home and home series, with next season being MU's home, the complimentary ticket deal is nice.
Agree. Small perk, but a nice one.
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As a STH depends where you sit, it's a 20% to 50% savings, compared to single ticket pricing.
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This reseating-every-year crap is getting old. I feel like I just went thru this process.
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This reseating-every-year crap is getting old. I feel like I just went thru this process.
Because you did. :D
Agree, though. Getting to be a pain doing it every year.
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It does suck, but it takes what 10 minutes on your computer.
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It does suck, but it takes what 10 minutes on your computer.
For me, it isn't as much the time as the prospect of different seats year after year. I had been sitting among the same group of fans for several years and really enjoyed our chatter before the games and during halftime. The constant resisting has spread people out over the past couple of seasons.
Not a life-changing issue, but a pain.
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This reseating-every-year crap is getting old. I feel like I just went thru this process.
Unfortunately there's no other option. State law made this mandatory.
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Unfortunately there's no other option. State law made this mandatory.
But if its just for the tax deductibility of donations in WI, that's just a pain in the arse for the relative $$ benefit on a state tax return.
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One problem yearly reseating creates is it allows season ticket holders to get cheaper seats during year's when they know the team won't do well.
For the past decade, we've had "nice" upper bowl seats on purpose (even though we have the points for the lower bowl). What's to stop all of Section 200 from moving to Section 400 for next season only? Once MU gets back on their feet, you can always just move back to the nice seats.
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But if its just for the tax deductibility of donations in WI, that's just a pain in the arse for the relative $$ benefit on a state tax return.
Yes, this is the issue. For the nominal tax savings I'd rather just give up that benefit and keep the same seats.
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If I understand it correctly, MU doesn't have a choice. You can't just give up the deduction unless MU decides to get rid of all of them. (And the Congress might take care of that anyway.)
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But if its just for the tax deductibility of donations in WI, that's just a pain in the arse for the relative $$ benefit on a state tax return.
You're looking at it from the wrong side. Yes, it's an inconvenience for us as individual fans. But for Marquette to continue attaching tax free donations to this, they have to reseat every year. It might only be a few hundred for you, but I have to think the donations Marquette takes in are well north of $1M tax free.
For Marquette to allow you to pick the same seats yearly and not take a major financial hit they'd have to increase ticket prices significantly. The current system, despite the inconvenience, keeps ticket prices low while maximizing what the university can get back in return.
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You're looking at it from the wrong side. Yes, it's an inconvenience for us as individual fans. But for Marquette to continue attaching tax free donations to this, they have to reseat every year. It might only be a few hundred for you, but I have to think the donations Marquette takes in are well north of $1M tax free.
For Marquette to allow you to pick the same seats yearly and not take a major financial hit they'd have to increase ticket prices significantly. The current system, despite the inconvenience, keeps ticket prices low while maximizing what the university can get back in return.
I don't know that donations are going to suffer because STH's are going to lose a few bucks, on a basis relative to the individual donor, in state tax benefits. People are going to come because they want to come.
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I don't know that donations are going to suffer because STH's are going to lose a few bucks, on a basis relative to the individual donor, in state tax benefits. People are going to come because they want to come.
+1
The deductibility (or not) has never been a factor for me.
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I don't know that donations are going to suffer because STH's are going to lose a few bucks, on a basis relative to the individual donor, in state tax benefits. People are going to come because they want to come.
The included STH donations net the B&G fund over $1M annually. To collect that, reseating annually is also necessary. Will all those STHs, many of whom make their only yearly donation when they pay for their tickets, suddenly start donating the $100-3000 they usually spend on the minimum donation for their seats?
Call me a skeptic, but the B&G won't be collecting that money unless they roll the donation into tickets, and the amount they'd have to charge to offset that loss would be especially galling to those fans that only contribute that minimum donation, driving STH numbers down even further.
There is no positive whatsoever for Marquette to getting rid of the minimum donation and the yearly reseating that by law comes with it.
If ticket prices go up by 50%, the attendance will drop like a rock. That's what it would take at minimum to do away with the current system.
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If ticket prices go up by 50%, the attendance will drop like a rock. That's what it would take at minimum to do away with the current system.
You're thinking about this incorrectly The bill to the purchaser stays the same, but a few hundred $$ are no longer tax deductible. The university gets the same amount of $$ either way.
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The process is simply a joke and has deterred many fans and longtime season ticket holders that I know from keeping their tickets.
Just win baby.
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You're thinking about this incorrectly The bill to the purchaser stays the same, but a few hundred $$ are no longer tax deductible. The university gets the same amount of $$ either way.
Yeah but economics will tell you that the loss of tax deductibility means the actual cost rises. When cost rises, demand falls. So it wouldn't necessarily be revenue neutral for the University.
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You're thinking about this incorrectly The bill to the purchaser stays the same, but a few hundred $$ are no longer tax deductible. The university gets the same amount of $$ either way.
Then Marquette is as well. It was made pretty clear ticket prices would go up significantly when I talked to Marquette Athletics about this after the initial change. Also, a couple hundred for someone like me in the cheaper ($120/per) seats might mean less, but the higher ticket seats ($7800/per) would be a more significant write off, and that's for the higher value donors.
EDIT: The reason it wouldn't be revenue neutral for the university is that when it's a donation, they can accept it tax free. If it were converted to part of the standard fee, that money would be considered income and thus subject to taxes. If the bill to the purchaser stayed the same, we'd lose the write-off and they'd retain less of the money because it would be taxed.
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Then Marquette is as well. It was made pretty clear ticket prices would go up significantly when I talked to Marquette Athletics about this after the initial change. Also, a couple hundred for someone like me in the cheaper ($120/per) seats might mean less, but the higher ticket seats ($7800/per) would be a more significant write off, and that's for the higher value donors.
Wrong. MU would still ask for the donation and the bill would be the same as Rocky points out. Just would not be deductible for state tax purposes for STH's, though still deductible for Federal tax return.
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Then Marquette is as well. It was made pretty clear ticket prices would go up significantly when I talked to Marquette Athletics about this after the initial change. Also, a couple hundred for someone like me in the cheaper ($120/per) seats might mean less, but the higher ticket seats ($7800/per) would be a more significant write off, and that's for the higher value donors.
EDIT: The reason it wouldn't be revenue neutral for the university is that when it's a donation, they can accept it tax free. If it were converted to part of the standard fee, that money would be considered income and thus subject to taxes. If the bill to the purchaser stayed the same, we'd lose the write-off and they'd retain less of the money because it would be taxed.
I am also wondering if the BC gets a percentage of the ticket revenue. If that is the case, it is possible that the "donation" does not count as ticket revenue, and therefore, if they rolled it into the ticket price, the BC would get a piece of that as well.
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Wrong. MU would still ask for the donation and the bill would be the same as Rocky points out. Just would not be deductible for state tax purposes for STH's, though still deductible for Federal tax return.
If Marquette attaches a donation to tickets, they have to do annual reseating.
Are you suggesting they drop prices to the non-donation level and count on the goodness of STHs hearts to recoup those donations?
I feel there is a disconnect here. The law is pretty simple, so I'm sure I'm not understanding your suggestion.
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If Marquette attaches a donation to tickets, they have to do annual reseating.
Are you suggesting they drop prices to the non-donation level and count on the goodness of STHs hearts to recoup those donations?
I feel there is a disconnect here. The law is pretty simple, so I'm sure I'm not understanding your suggestion.
I think his suggestion is to keep prices and donation levels just where they are...and MU will get just as much revenue as they currently do. That's because people buy tix because they want to go to the games, not for the tax break. And they would still get the federal deduction, which is much more significant than the WI deduction anyhow.
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I am also wondering if the BC gets a percentage of the ticket revenue. If that is the case, it is possible that the "donation" does not count as ticket revenue, and therefore, if they rolled it into the ticket price, the BC would get a piece of that as well.
Both Brew and Chick are correct. The donation classification of the ticket cost does three things: shelter the money from the BC, shelter MU's take from taxation, and provide a tax credit for the donator. If the donation portion were to just become ticket cost the following would happen: STH's effective cost would go up in the form of tax output relative to ticket cost, MU total "revenue" would go do because both the government and BC would take a cut.
For MU to maintain the same level of revenue and provide the "convenience" of not reseating every year ticket prices would have to go up, on average, 6.5% a year. (Seems weird to have to call this out, but this is scoop. This is an average and estimate as there are tax brackets and the BC cut varies based on section that would vary the required price increase STH to STH).
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I think his suggestion is to keep prices and donation levels just where they are...and MU will get just as much revenue as they currently do. That's because people buy tix because they want to go to the games, not for the tax break. And they would still get the federal deduction, which is much more significant than the WI deduction anyhow.
This is untrue.....if they don't reseat every year it is no longer a donation, no matter what you call it and then is taxable for MU and not a deduction for the STH
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One other thing to keep in mind. 14% of the MU alumni donate to the university, one of the lowest, if not the lowest, donation rates for a private university in the country.....and that includes all basketball related donations. If you eliminate basketball related donations that number could drop to single digit percentages.
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Riddle me this: with the annual reseating letter comes a chart titled "Priority Points Section Breakdown." This year it is dated March 21, 2016.
Last year it was dated February 9, 2015, so it's not quite a fruit to fruit comparison. I looked at four different sections, just to see if there are any trends.
2/9/15 section 215 rows J-T average points 311
3/21/16 same section and rows average points 372 a 19.6% increase
2/9/15 section 200 rows J-T average points 425
3/21/16 same same average points 401 a -5.6% decrease in a section that is dead center mid-court.
2/9/15 section 213 rows D-H average points 680
3/21/16 same same average points 1095 a 61% increase
If I'm reading the point system stuff correctly, it's $100/point for donations to the Blue & Gold Fund and $250/point for donations to other MU funds.
I'm surprised that the increase for some sections is that much, given the down years and craptacular non conference games. And, I'm surprised that the average increase in donations in, for example, section 215 is $6,100 (if all to the B&G fund).
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Riddle me this: with the annual reseating letter comes a chart titled "Priority Points Section Breakdown." This year it is dated March 21, 2016.
Last year it was dated February 9, 2015, so it's not quite a fruit to fruit comparison. I looked at four different sections, just to see if there are any trends.
2/9/15 section 215 rows J-T average points 311
3/21/16 same section and rows average points 372 a 19.6% increase
2/9/15 section 200 rows J-T average points 425
3/21/16 same same average points 401 a -5.6% decrease in a section that is dead center mid-court.
2/9/15 section 213 rows D-H average points 680
3/21/16 same same average points 1095 a 61% increase
If I'm reading the point system stuff correctly, it's $100/point for donations to the Blue & Gold Fund and $250/point for donations to other MU funds.
I'm surprised that the increase for some sections is that much, given the down years and craptacular non conference games. And, I'm surprised that the average increase in donations in, for example, section 215 is $6,100 (if all to the B&G fund).
I suspect it ties into perceived value of a seat. The cost differential in seats is probably out of whack so people are trading "down" in seat to a better price value (much lower cost but not too much worse view or whatever).
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This is untrue.....if they don't reseat every year it is no longer a donation, no matter what you call it and then is taxable for MU and not a deduction for the STH
When I called the ticket office, I was told that the yearly requirement was specific to the WI Department of Revenue, not the IRS. Was this explained incorrectly? Does the IRS require annual reseating now?
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Oh, and the fourth section I looked at is Section 216 rows A-H. Only a two point difference (decrease) this year over last.
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When I called the ticket office, I was told that the yearly requirement was specific to the WI Department of Revenue, not the IRS. Was this explained incorrectly? Does the IRS require annual reseating now?
No, it's specific to the state. If part of the price of the ticket is a required donation, so the buyer is effectively getting a benefit for their donation, then the reseating has to be annual. It has nothing to do with the IRS. However, if there's a donation, it can be written off on both. You can't separate the ticket donation to a "counts for federal but not for state" level.
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No, it's specific to the state. If part of the price of the ticket is a required donation, so the buyer is effectively getting a benefit for their donation, then the reseating has to be annual. It has nothing to do with the IRS. However, if there's a donation, it can be written off on both. You can't separate the ticket donation to a "counts for federal but not for state" level.
Fair enough. I still stick by my original point - people buy season tix because they want to go to the games, not for the tax benefit. I think they could keep prices exactly where they are, and it would have no impact. The impact comes from whether the team is good or not, and whether the schedule includes enough compelling games....
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Fair enough. I still stick by my original point - people buy season tix because they want to go to the games, not for the tax benefit. I think they could keep prices exactly where they are, and it would have no impact. The impact comes from whether the team is good or not, and whether the schedule includes enough compelling games....
Your plan gives the customer an opportunity to reconsider their purchase no matter what because there is by default a change in real purchase price. All so people don't have to log into a website once a year for 14 minutes?
I contend if yearly reseating is the hot button issue for STH, we must be out of problems as an alumni base and as a human race ;D
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I suspect it ties into perceived value of a seat. The cost differential in seats is probably out of whack so people are trading "down" in seat to a better price value (much lower cost but not too much worse view or whatever).
I will let you in on a secret: I believe at least some of those point totals are on the high side. Glow and I have never had trouble getting seats reasonably equivalent to what we had the prior year, and the estimated point totals for that section was always higher than that.
I think that may be done for two reasons:
1.To incentivize people to donate more before the deadline.
2. To prevent Joe True from fielding hundreds of angry phone calls along the lines of, "What the Hell! The list said I had enough points to get into section 207!"
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No, it's specific to the state. If part of the price of the ticket is a required donation, so the buyer is effectively getting a benefit for their donation, then the reseating has to be annual. It has nothing to do with the IRS. However, if there's a donation, it can be written off on both. You can't separate the ticket donation to a "counts for federal but not for state" level.
That is true. The state is really the bad guy here putting the screws to MU and others by having the re-seating requirement. In WI, charitable contributions per the Federal return are eligible for a Wisconsin 5% Itemized Deduction Credit. There is no provision in the state tax code to reduce the eligible amount by athletic donations such as at MU. So, the Department of Revenue created an off-line provision to have the re-seating requirement. Its really silly and causes a lot of work for the athletic department and some hassles for STH's. Its really a crazy vicious cycle. Why not just allow the re-upping of season tix as the re-seating does not really benefit the State in any way.
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That is true. The state is really the bad guy here putting the screws to MU and others by having the re-seating requirement. In WI, charitable contributions per the Federal return are eligible for a Wisconsin 5% Itemized Deduction Credit. There is no provision in the state tax code to reduce the eligible amount by athletic donations such as at MU. So, the Department of Revenue created an off-line provision to have the re-seating requirement. Its really silly and causes a lot of work for the athletic department and some hassles for STH's. Its really a crazy vicious cycle. Why not just allow the re-upping of season tix as the re-seating does not really benefit the State in any way.
So Wisconsin doesn't have the equivalent of an 80/20 rule like the IRS has. Is that the jist of it?
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Fair enough. I still stick by my original point - people buy season tix because they want to go to the games, not for the tax benefit. I think they could keep prices exactly where they are, and it would have no impact. The impact comes from whether the team is good or not, and whether the schedule includes enough compelling games....
I agree that no one is buying tickets for the tax write off. However the donation is part of the price because, as both mu03eng and I stated, it keeps the cost of the ticket down and maximizes Marquette's revenue.
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I agree that no one is buying tickets for the tax write off. However the donation is part of the price because, as both mu03eng and I stated, it keeps the cost of the ticket down and maximizes Marquette's revenue.
So if you agree that no one is buying the tix for the tax write off, why not keep it revenue neutral for MU by making them mandatory nondeductible donations? Keeps it out of the ticket price, gets the money to MU, and eliminates the largely irrelevant question of tax breaks.
Edit: FWIW - many (most?) pro sports teams require nondeductible donations. They just call them seat licenses. Not tax deductible, and not (directly) considered part of the ticket price. People pay because they want season tix - not for a tax deduction.
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So if you agree that no one is buying the tix for the tax write off, why not keep it revenue neutral for MU by making them mandatory nondeductible donations? Keeps it out of the ticket price, gets the money to MU, and eliminates the largely irrelevant question of tax breaks.
Okay...here's how I believe it works. Let's take for example seats in sections 200, 201, 213, 214, 215, and 227. Right now, those seats carry a price tag of $620 per seat with a $700 donation for an actual price of $1,320.
These aren't exact figures, but let's say that on the actual price tag ($620) Marquette gets 40%, the Bradley Center gets 40%, and the government gets 20%. So currently, the breakdown is as follows when you factor in the full cost of the seat:
Bradley Center: $248
Goverment: $124
Marquette: $948
If you took the donation out, Marquette would need to charge $2,370 in order for their 40% take to equal what they currently charge without a donation. If you're a STH that usually buys 4 seats, your bill just went from $5,280 to $9,480. How many STHs would keep their seats if the cost of said seats doubled?
Now granted, the purple and light blue seats would have lower incremental increases, but the bottom line is we would all need to spend more for Marquette to take the same out. That also is assuming Marquette isn't taxed on any of the $948 they would be getting back, because currently they are definitely not being taxed on the $700 seat donation cost. If the government is taking money on the front end and the back end (wouldn't be the first time they did that) then Marquette would need to increase prices even more.
I get why people don't like reseating, and it's definitely the state of Wisconsin putting the screws to university season tickets, but the inconvenience of reseating every year is the price we pay to keep ticket prices low and Marquette's donations high.
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Okay...here's how I believe it works. Let's take for example seats in sections 200, 201, 213, 214, 215, and 227. Right now, those seats carry a price tag of $620 per seat with a $700 donation for an actual price of $1,320.
These aren't exact figures, but let's say that on the actual price tag ($620) Marquette gets 40%, the Bradley Center gets 40%, and the government gets 20%. So currently, the breakdown is as follows when you factor in the full cost of the seat:
Bradley Center: $248
Goverment: $124
Marquette: $948
If you took the donation out, Marquette would need to charge $2,370 in order for their 40% take to equal what they currently charge without a donation. If you're a STH that usually buys 4 seats, your bill just went from $5,280 to $9,480. How many STHs would keep their seats if the cost of said seats doubled?
Now granted, the purple and light blue seats would have lower incremental increases, but the bottom line is we would all need to spend more for Marquette to take the same out. That also is assuming Marquette isn't taxed on any of the $948 they would be getting back, because currently they are definitely not being taxed on the $700 seat donation cost. If the government is taking money on the front end and the back end (wouldn't be the first time they did that) then Marquette would need to increase prices even more.
I get why people don't like reseating, and it's definitely the state of Wisconsin putting the screws to university season tickets, but the inconvenience of reseating every year is the price we pay to keep ticket prices low and Marquette's donations high.
Why would Marquette's revenue go down just because the customer can't deduct the license fee?
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I spoke to Joe True at the 2013 Haunted Hoops about reseating. Joe reached out to me because he knew there was an uproar over the changes to the STH process and he knew I could get the word out to the message boards. I bolded what he said about the tax issues and reseating. Here's what I posted then:
I talked to Joe True at Haunted Hoops and asked about a number of questions that had been brought up here and elsewhere and wanted to share his responses with everyone. I didn't keep track of who asked what, so I'll just post the question and the answers I received:
Will there be a continuous update of which rows/seats have been taken?
There will continue to be real-time updates of how many seats are available in each row, however MU will not be able to let us know which exact seats are available. In the past, you would see the exact seats. Now you will simply see the row and how many seats out of 14 are available. In general, aisle seats tend to go first, so consider that when you are picking your seats. Also, for any seats that DO NOT have a minimum donation, you will still see the exact seats in real-time. The changes only apply to those sections with mandatory donations assigned to them.
Would it be possible to simply add sales tax to the value of the seats and allow us to still pick exact seats?
If they did this, it would kill the Blue & Gold fund, which pays for virtually all of the sports scholarships, not just basketball. The only way to keep seat donations (which are the primary source of B&G Fund funding) was to make this switch. In order for Marquette to get those donation values tax-free, a portion of the seat price must be left as a donation. Simply adding sales tax wouldn't work.
Will this also affect Wisconsin, Milwaukee, and Green Bay?
It will not force any change at Milwaukee or Green Bay because they do not require seat donations on any of their seats. Madison has their own seating policy and their own way of conforming to these rules. From what I understand, they do not pick exact seats there either. Wisconsin is a bit different because as a larger school, they are not so reliant on seating donations from football/basketball/hockey to fund their other sports. But they are already compliant with the law that we now must follow.
Has there been any thought of going to a PSL system?
Like the sales tax, this really isn't an option. The PSL system used in Green Bay was only allowed because the state gave an exemption to the Packers (go figure). Otherwise, they would be subject to the exact same rules. But part of the GBP deal allowed the PSLs. However this would have a tremendous impact on the B&G Fund and really isn't a viable option.
How will it work if I want to sit with a friend?
If you have another group of season ticket holders you want to sit with, the time slot will be picked at the lower STH's spot. One STH will be declared "team captain" and will pick all of the seats for the group. Thus, two STHs could pick up to 8 seats at the same time with the captain making the selections.
Will I be able to sit with FaceBook friends?
So far, there has been no action to try to link FB with the reseating process.
When will I know which seats I get?
Marquette is still settling how best to handle this. It sounds like it will most likely be next day as most people won't want to wait until the entire reseating process is done before finding out their exact seats.
If there are 14 seats in a row and the first two selectors take 4 each on the ends, and the third requests 2 seats with a center aisle preference, will I be alerted that picking the remaining 4 seats in this row will be non-sequential?
I asked this mid-conversation. It's something Joe will be bringing back to the table. It sounds like they have the process 80% done and are ironing out final details.
Why make this change so soon after implementing new software?
I'm sure I addressed this before, but MU didn't have a choice. If they had their way, they would much rather we pick our seats bi-annually because them picking them every year is a lot more hassle and work. As mentioned, the old system will still be in place for non-donation seats. Initially, there was discussion of only allowing STHs to pick their section. Marquette is trying to be as transparent as possible by allowing us to select section and row, as well as preferences such as aisle, mid-aisle, or same seats as before. I really get the sense that the B&G Fund is going to do everything in their power to get you the exact seats you want. The new laws from the state aren't making that easy, but Marquette is trying to work within those laws to make the process as smooth and satisfactory as possible.
What about people with the same number of preference points?
Tiebreakers will work the exact same as before. Everyone will still get their slot, and if multiple people have the same number of preference points, tiebreakers will separate them. Nothing is changing in that regard.
Would I be better off just going down to the Al to pick my seats?
Going to the Al will still be an option, but the only advantage is that there will be about a dozen computers there for you to log on to. You still won't see the available seats, though there will be people to help you through any changes. But if you have reliable internet at home, there is no advantage to going to the Al.
What if I have additional questions?
I'd be happy to talk to Joe on anyone's behalf, but I'd also encourage you to call him. His number is listed earlier in this thread, and at least from my perspective, it's very reassuring to hear that MU really is doing everything in their power to make this as easy as possible. In addition, they are planning some Webinars to further explain the process, and may have some live seminars as well.
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Why would Marquette's revenue go down just because the customer can't deduct the license fee?
Because as soon as it converts from a donation to revenue, everyone else will take a bigger cut and Marquette won't receive the money tax free.
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Because as soon as it converts from a donation to revenue, everyone else will take a bigger cut and Marquette won't receive the money tax free.
Who is "everyone?" The BC and state get their cuts as a portion of ticket prices (sales). I'm talking about a payment that is not part of the ticket price.
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I'm sure anyone who wanted to contact Joe True could get more exact figures from him, but we talked at length on the phone and in person about the reseating process. Outside of going to the government and asking the regulations, I couldn't have got my information any more from the horse's mouth than I did. The bottom line is in order to keep prices down and donations up, Marquette has to conduct reseating the way they do. And as the B&G fund uses that money to fund all Marquette sports, not just basketball, taking the donation portion away while keeping the ticket price revenue neutral would kill Marquette Athletics.
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Okay...here's how I believe it works. Let's take for example seats in sections 200, 201, 213, 214, 215, and 227. Right now, those seats carry a price tag of $620 per seat with a $700 donation for an actual price of $1,320.
These aren't exact figures, but let's say that on the actual price tag ($620) Marquette gets 40%, the Bradley Center gets 40%, and the government gets 20%. So currently, the breakdown is as follows when you factor in the full cost of the seat:
Bradley Center: $248
Goverment: $124
Marquette: $948
If you took the donation out, Marquette would need to charge $2,370 in order for their 40% take to equal what they currently charge without a donation. If you're a STH that usually buys 4 seats, your bill just went from $5,280 to $9,480. How many STHs would keep their seats if the cost of said seats doubled?
Now granted, the purple and light blue seats would have lower incremental increases, but the bottom line is we would all need to spend more for Marquette to take the same out. That also is assuming Marquette isn't taxed on any of the $948 they would be getting back, because currently they are definitely not being taxed on the $700 seat donation cost. If the government is taking money on the front end and the back end (wouldn't be the first time they did that) then Marquette would need to increase prices even more.
I get why people don't like reseating, and it's definitely the state of Wisconsin putting the screws to university season tickets, but the inconvenience of reseating every year is the price we pay to keep ticket prices low and Marquette's donations high.
Good example, but you also need to factor in the loss of the tax benefit when calculating the STH's cost. Assuming that they are in the second- highest tax bracket (let's assume that the majority down there have less than $325,700 of taxable Wisconsin income), the actual cost of those seats would be $9,480+ ($700 X 4*6.27%) or $9,656.
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Why would Marquette's revenue go down just because the customer can't deduct the license fee?
Who is "everyone?" The BC and state get their cuts as a portion of ticket prices (sales). I'm talking about a payment that is not part of the ticket price.
Because you have just increased the cost to the customer.
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Who is "everyone?" The BC and state get their cuts as a portion of ticket prices (sales). I'm talking about a payment that is not part of the ticket price.
Once it is classified as a nondeduction donation it is considered revenue and the BC, state, and federal payments on that revenue come into play. So for MU to maintain the same income (donation + ticket price) they would have to charge more for the same ticket (nondeduction donation + ticket price)
Changing the classification to avoid the reseating also changes how much of the money goes to MU.
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I'm sure anyone who wanted to contact Joe True could get more exact figures from him, but we talked at length on the phone and in person about the reseating process. Outside of going to the government and asking the regulations, I couldn't have got my information any more from the horse's mouth than I did. The bottom line is in order to keep prices down and donations up, Marquette has to conduct reseating the way they do. And as the B&G fund uses that money to fund all Marquette sports, not just basketball, taking the donation portion away while keeping the ticket price revenue neutral would kill Marquette Athletics.
Fair enough. But when I spoke to Joe, he told me what I wrote above - that the yearly requirement would have no effect on the federal tax deduction, only state. Someone above explained that the information I got from Joe was incorrect, so who knows.
And FWIW, I like Joe. Met him out in DC at the Sweet Sixteen and have spoken a few times on the phone. Just annoying to get mixed messages about the reason for this annual hassle.
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Let's bottom line this, to avoid reseating every year the following things happen:
-Customer effectively pays more for tickets in the form of increased tax exposure
-If pricing to the customer were to stay they same, MU revenue goes down because the donation portion becomes taxable(state) and the BC takes a cut
-If MU wants to retain the same revenue they have to increase the ticket price significantly, which would likely drive customers away or into non-donation seats
Whether you like it or not, this is reality, so determine if the every year reseating is really an issue or not.
Lastly, its not like yearly reseating is something MU really wants to do (pain in the ass/costly) so they are doing it because they have very good reason to.
*edit....removed reference to fed taxes because I think Brew is right, they aren't impacted but state taxes are.
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Fair enough. But when I spoke to Joe, he told me what I wrote above - that the yearly requirement would have no effect on the federal tax deduction, only state. Someone above explained that the information I got from Joe was incorrect, so who knows.
And FWIW, I like Joe. Met him out in DC at the Sweet Sixteen and have spoken a few times on the phone. Just annoying to get mixed messages about the reason for this annual hassle.
My guess is what he meant (and just a guess as I wasn't privy to the conversation) is that the federal government really doesn't care how we handle reseating, they will treat the donation the same way regardless. However, the state of Wisconsin has a vested interest (no idea why, it doesn't really seem to benefit them) in making sure schools handle reseating the way they want.
Quite possibly, Madison moved in this direction because it would only adversely affect schools outside their city. Madison was already compliant (though through a different system that also required annual reseating) and the only other state school that required a donation, Green Bay, was also on an annual plan. Maybe just the state's way of making Marquette play along.
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Lastly, its not like yearly reseating is something MU really wants to do (pain in the ass/costly) so they are doing it because they have very good reason to.
This is absolutely correct. Marquette does NOT want to do annual reseating. It's a huge pain in the ass and a ton of work for the Athletic Department. In the past, we picked our exact seats and called it a day for two years. Now they need more staff on hand and need to work harder to try to meet the vague requests STHs make because they actually have to do the seat picking for us.
Don't blame Marquette. This is a bigger inconvenience and pain in the ass to Marquette and the Athletic Department than it is for us. We end up getting inconvenienced twice, when we put in our selection criteria and when we actually try to pick the area of our seats. Marquette, on the other hand, is inconvenienced every day all day long during reseating because they have to have a hand in every pick for the donation level seats.
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This should be easy, switch the whole arena to open seating, and have everyone do it like the students. Maybe folks with bigger point totals can get in earlier, but the lower bowl would always be packed with the most rabid fans, and re-seating never happens :)
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This should be easy, switch the whole arena to open seating, and have everyone do it like the students. Maybe folks with bigger point totals can get in earlier, but the lower bowl would always be packed with the most rabid fans, and re-seating never happens :)
That gave an idea for a new way to charge for tickets. Let's pretend there's an app for this.
As a STH I pay a base donation and ticket price that guarantees me into a game, but it is the same for every STH. Once I'm at the game I then get to purchase my seat location with seating sections having variable pricing. Perhaps pricing is lower 30 minutes prior to the game and then goes up some (peak arrival pricing so to speak). There could be a bid/availability escalation involved as well.
Not saying it should be done, but there seems to be some potential to change some of the revenue and pricing models so that they maximize revenue in an interesting way.
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That gave an idea for a new way to charge for tickets. Let's pretend there's an app for this.
As a STH I pay a base donation and ticket price that guarantees me into a game, but it is the same for every STH. Once I'm at the game I then get to purchase my seat location with seating sections having variable pricing. Perhaps pricing is lower 30 minutes prior to the game and then goes up some (peak arrival pricing so to speak). There could be a bid/availability escalation involved as well.
Not saying it should be done, but there seems to be some potential to change some of the revenue and pricing models so that they maximize revenue in an interesting way.
Admit it. You just want to see some sweatervests' heads explode.
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This should be easy, switch the whole arena to open seating, and have everyone do it like the students. Maybe folks with bigger point totals can get in earlier, but the lower bowl would always be packed with the most rabid fans, and re-seating never happens :)
Let's get rid of the seats as well! Standing room only
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Admit it. You just want to see some sweatervests' heads explode.
Let's just say that I don't not want to see sweatervest heads explode
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This should be easy, switch the whole arena to open seating, and have everyone do it like the students. Maybe folks with bigger point totals can get in earlier, but the lower bowl would always be packed with the most rabid fans, and re-seating never happens :)
Rewarding STH who get there the earliest would all but guarantee the most elderly of MU alum would get the best seats. Ever try to go out to dinner at 4:30pm? The lower bowl would look like that.
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Rewarding STH who get there the earliest would all but guarantee the most elderly of MU alum would get the best seats. Ever try to go out to dinner at 4:30pm? The lower bowl would look like that.
It already does, so perhaps this will work perfectly to eliminate re-seating :)
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I will let you in on a secret: I believe at least some of those point totals are on the high side. Glow and I have never had trouble getting seats reasonably equivalent to what we had the prior year, and the estimated point totals for that section was always higher than that.
I think that may be done for two reasons:
1.To incentivize people to donate more before the deadline.
I believe this to be accurate. And a little disappointing. Being lied to and all.........
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I believe this to be accurate. And a little disappointing. Being lied to and all.........
Remember - we chose Golden Eagles.
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This thread has provided yet another reinforcement of my decision to not renew my tickets.
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I'm not entirely sure this is the right spot...
But I got the email for the coors corner today. Has anyone figure out how to get more than one ticket or are you really just trying to find someone else's old student ID # that isn't interested and but theirs also?
But I also feel I remember hearing St hard to get two seats side by side?
Anyone with info or knowledge?
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Can't you buy up to 4 seats? It's four seats per account.
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Can't you buy up to 4 seats? It's four seats per account.
Shut the front door. Dang man thanks
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Can't you buy up to 4 seats? It's four seats per account.
The Coors Corner is limited to two per graduate, I believe. Everyone else is limited to four.
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Shut the front door. Dang man thanks
I'd love a free Coors Light at every game? Why can't I be younger????
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Seems I can only select one seat.
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Ok update.
So for those of us new to it, (or maybe just me?) you pay the $50 now to reserve your seat(s) that you plan to purchase. Then they email you later and you can get 2 tickets.
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Ok update.
So for those of us new to it, (or maybe just me?) you pay the $50 now to reserve your seat(s) that you plan to purchase. Then they email you later and you can get 2 tickets.
This sounds like it is part of the normal reseating process. You pay a deposit upfront here (and donation to up your points) and then in June you get to pick via the lottery based on priority points. This is a nice entry-level program.
I see they are also allowing current students to buy their seats right now for next year too.
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This sounds like it is part of the normal reseating process. You pay a deposit upfront here (and donation to up your points) and then in June you get to pick via the lottery based on priority points. This is a nice entry-level program.
I see they are also allowing current students to buy their seats right now for next year too.
Thanks I definitely appreciate the info as this is my first year being a STH.
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How many season ticket holders does MU have?? 8,000??
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How many season ticket holders does MU have?? 8,000??
Depends on how you count a season ticket holder. The tickets are in my name and I get two. Is that one season ticket holder or two. I would guess there are 3500-4000 season ticket holders and probably an average of 2 1/2 to 3 seats per season ticket holder.
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I will let you in on a secret: I believe at least some of those point totals are on the high side. Glow and I have never had trouble getting seats reasonably equivalent to what we had the prior year, and the estimated point totals for that section was always higher than that.
I think that may be done for two reasons:
1.To incentivize people to donate more before the deadline.
2. To prevent Joe True from fielding hundreds of angry phone calls along the lines of, "What the Hell! The list said I had enough points to get into section 207!"
This may be a reflection of declining season ticket holders. When MU puts out their chart it is based on all of last seasons season tickets holders. We know in recent years there has been a decline in season tickets. Your position improves every time a person ahead of you drops out or takes less season tickets such as two tickets vs. four, which I did 3 years ago..
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This may be a reflection of declining season ticket holders. When MU puts out their chart it is based on all of last seasons season tickets holders. We know in recent years there has been a decline in season tickets. Your position improves every time a person ahead of you drops out or takes less season tickets such as two tickets vs. four, which I did 3 years ago..
Nope. This was true even in the height of the Buzz years. Pretty sure there were no big declines back then.
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Nope. This was true even in the height of the Buzz years. Pretty sure there were no big declines back then.
You always have a decline in old season ticket holders. Under Buzz the new season ticket holders met or exceded the decline in old season ticket holders. Older ticket holders die or move to Florida.
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You always have a decline in old season ticket holders. Under Buzz the new season ticket holders met or exceded the decline in old season ticket holders. Older ticket holders die or move to Florida.
Not sure how this proves your point, but all I know is that over the past 5-6 years, my point total has stayed basically the same, every year they estimate that I will need significantly more points to stay in my section, and yet I have never had a problem getting the equivalent of the prior year's seats.
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Not sure how this proves your point, but all I know is that over the past 5-6 years, my point total has stayed basically the same, every year they estimate that I will need significantly more points to stay in my section, and yet I have never had a problem getting the equivalent of the prior year's seats.
What is your rank? Last year I only donated $600 and I fell back from row M to row Q in section 200. However, I consider last years seats to be the best we ever had. We had seats 7 & 8 which was dead center in the row and the arena. Being 4 rows higher made it easier to see both baskets. I am stlll debating whether to donate anything for this reseating period. I figure the worst that could happen to me is that I move over to section 227.
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I figure the worst that could happen to me is that I move over to section 227.
And be with the riff-raff?
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What is your rank? Last year I only donated $600 and I fell back from row M to row Q in section 200. However, I consider last years seats to be the best we ever had. We had seats 7 & 8 which was dead center in the row and the arena. Being 4 rows higher made it easier to see both baskets. I am stlll debating whether to donate anything for this reseating period. I figure the worst that could happen to me is that I move over to section 227.
Not as good as yours. Technically I could be in the lower bowl, but I would rather be upper bowl at half court in the first couple of rows than in the ends on the lower bowl.
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And be with the riff-raff?
(http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/4c21b656-f12b-45d1-878d-4d6f03e0a703/f6c4cf28-2240-4f3f-81a6-f2bbf8d854be.gif)
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Do I need to worry about reseating if I'm just looking to do the equivalent of what I did last season (Coors light corner)?
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Do I need to worry about reseating if I'm just looking to do the equivalent of what I did last season (Coors light corner)?
You'll still have to pick your seats right? I'm not sure how the coors section works. If your worried about not getting in the seats aren't really fought over so you should be fine.
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Do I need to worry about reseating if I'm just looking to do the equivalent of what I did last season (Coors light corner)?
From everything I know from my daughter, the process is exactly the same as it is for us old guys. Deposit, re-seating according to points in the Coors section, etc.
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And be with the riff-raff?
No, those are the upper bowl people.
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No, those are the upper bowl people.
So, less riff raff at the new arena,imagine there won't be a bus stop, hey?
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No, those are the upper bowl people.
Don't knock it until you try it.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/d3MMkNhne8TXVkDS/200.webp#2-grid1)
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Don't knock it until you try it.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/d3MMkNhne8TXVkDS/200.webp#2-grid1)
It of course was in teal. I will not add fuel to the fire.
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Friday, June 2 6:58 p.m.
Really? 7:00 pm on a Friday?
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Friday, June 2 6:58 p.m.
Really? 7:00 pm on a Friday?
Reminder for STHs to get their deposits in by May 30.
Larry, I was on a river boat in Europe with a time like 9PM on the weekend one year. Since the wifi was spotty and more expensive than the required donation, the ticket office was kind enough to email with me at that time to select and confirm.
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I got June 4th at 4:51. Accounting for the fact that reseating is starting a day early, calendar-wise, we are picking almost a full day earlier than last year. And it's not like glow and I wrote any huge checks to the university during the last measuring period. Since I believe they actually send out a reseating time to all the prior year ticketholders ( I don't recall needing to confirm that I was interested in participating), that goes to show you how much of a decrease they had.
Also, I just realized that they probably give everyone who has the exact same number of points the same reseating time. So even if there were the same number of people ahead of you points-wise, your time might vary based on the number of "ties" among the folks with more points than you.
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June 2 at 3:02 p.m.
I did end up making a reseating donation.
I am not sure, if the schedule is the same as last year, but I am picking an hour earlier.
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I moved up 40 minutes from last year
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Do they reseat on weekends? I can never remember
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Do they reseat on weekends? I can never remember
May 31-June 6.
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June 5 at 5:43 pm. Moved up 33 minutes.
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Hmmmm, so not happy/impressed at all...made my largest donation to date, gained double digit points(by doing so), and if I moved at all it was by minutes..Wish I would have kept my stuff from last year just to compare..I may have even moved back a bit. Not sure what good donating does if it's not even going to move you up.
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Hmmmm, so not happy/impressed at all...made my largest donation to date, gained double digit points(by doing so), and if I moved at all it was by minutes..Wish I would have kept my stuff from last year just to compare..I may have even moved back a bit. Not sure what good donating does if it's not even going to move you up.
Other people donate as well.
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Hmmmm, so not happy/impressed at all...made my largest donation to date, gained double digit points(by doing so), and if I moved at all it was by minutes..Wish I would have kept my stuff from last year just to compare..I may have even moved back a bit. Not sure what good donating does if it's not even going to move you up.
Donations net you diminishing returns on overall rank as you move up the PP ladder.
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Hmmmm, so not happy/impressed at all...made my largest donation to date, gained double digit points(by doing so), and if I moved at all it was by minutes..Wish I would have kept my stuff from last year just to compare..I may have even moved back a bit. Not sure what good donating does if it's not even going to move you up.
Finally tipping the bathroom attendant in the Palmero Club isn't a donation.
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Updating this from last year for 2017.
Riddle me this: with the annual reseating letter comes a chart titled "Priority Points Section Breakdown."
2017: 2/24/17
This year it is dated March 21, 2016.
Last year it was dated February 9, 2015, so it's not quite a fruit to fruit comparison. I looked at four different sections, just to see if there are any trends.
2/9/15 section 215 rows J-T average points 311
3/21/16 same section and rows average points 372 a 19.6% increase
2/24/17: 356 (I believe this is the section where the press row was moved from behind the student basket, thus eliminating higher rows with lower points--thus raising the average)
2/9/15 section 200 rows J-T average points 425
3/21/16 same same average points 401, a -5.6% decrease in a section that is dead center mid-court.
2/24/17: 448 average...way back up.
2/9/15 section 213 rows D-H average points 680
3/21/16 same same average points 1095, a 61% increase
2/24/17: Now 1135
If I'm reading the point system stuff correctly, it's $100/point for donations to the Blue & Gold Fund and $250/point for donations to other MU funds.
I'm surprised that the increase for some sections is that much, given the down years and craptacular non conference games. And, I'm surprised that the average increase in donations in, for example, section 215 is $6,100 (if all to the B&G fund).
Points go up naturally with a steady STH base with people building their points. B&G Banquet donations up $500k over this time, Awards Banquet in the BC accomadtes more, plenty more chances to give with BBQ, 100 year, Coors Light Corner donations, etc. I suspect all seats will be asked to give in the new arena to earn B&G points.
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Other people donate as well.
I understand that..but damn..there has got to be a lot of people out there with a crap load of points...for me to barely moved after gaining 16 points..Either that, or I am in "no man's land" points wise, where it's really hard to move. I'd like to know what my rank is now as opposed to be fore I donated.
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I understand that..but damn..there has got to be a lot of people out there with a crap load of points...for me to barely moved after gaining 16 points..Either that, or I am in "no man's land" points wise, where it's really hard to move. I'd like to know what my rank is now as opposed to be fore I donated.
My guess is that they will tell you if you ask.
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I understand that..but damn..there has got to be a lot of people out there with a crap load of points...for me to barely moved after gaining 16 points..Either that, or I am in "no man's land" points wise, where it's really hard to move. I'd like to know what my rank is now as opposed to be fore I donated.
I donated on the last Friday. I called Blue & Gold fund and ask what I needed to donate to get to a rank of 250, 245 and 240. They can tell you that. the problem is that you do not know who else is making a donation on Friday, Saturday or Sunday. I donated enough to get to 245, but I suspect I will come in around 248. I am around the 93 percetile. There is a group around this rank that I can compete with. However, the difference in points between the 93rd and 95th percentile is huge.
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Well I'm nowhere near that..my donation put me in the mid 40's for points..I'm thinking that's "no man's" land.
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Anyone know the dates of reseating last year??
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Anyone know the dates of reseating last year??
In first post as this is a carryover thread from last year: June 1-7
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In first post as this is a carryover thread from last year: June 1-7
Okay, so obviously donating didn't do a thing for me...Double my donation from last year, gained 16 points, only gained 300 spots in rank(was thinking it would be more like 500-700), and moved up a calendar day(only because reseating is earlier this year), but still the second to last day of reseating..moved up 2 hours..whoopty doo. Had I known, that was all it was going to do for me, I;d have saved my $$. I'm not sure what I have to do to take a major jump, but obviously it's one of two things that happened...1. As I stated, I must be in "no man's land" as far as how much donating is really going to do. 2. There must be a MAJOR gap between say the "next tier" of points(to move up significantly and where I currently am. Frustrating.
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Okay, so obviously donating didn't do a thing for me...Double my donation from last year, gained 16 points, only gained 300 spots in rank(was thinking it would be more like 500-700), and moved up a calendar day(only because reseating is earlier this year), but still the second to last day of reseating..moved up 2 hours..whoopty doo. Had I known, that was all it was going to do for me, I;d have saved my $$. I'm not sure what I have to do to take a major jump, but obviously it's one of two things that happened...1. As I stated, I must be in "no man's land" as far as how much donating is really going to do. 2. There must be a MAJOR gap between say the "next tier" of points(to move up significantly and where I currently am. Frustrating.
I think you are discounting inventory. Those listed slots are based on this past season ticket holders. A portion will drop out or reduce their number of tickets, of which MU has no idea yet as to that number until deposits and the STH surveys are all submitted.
You only have upside to your selection as new season ticket holders go after us reseating holders, and considering your point level I am guessing your original hope range will be realized, if not exceeded. MU won't reissue your new slot as they won't have time, these will just be vacated.
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I think you are discounting inventory. Those listed slots are based on this past season ticket holders. A portion will drop out or reduce their number of tickets, of which MU has no idea yet as to that number until deposits and the STH surveys are all submitted.
You only have upside to your selection as new season ticket holders go after us reseating holders, and considering your point level I am guessing your original hope range will be realized, if not exceeded. MU won't reissue your new slot as they won't have time, these will just be vacated.
I did think about that as a possibility, that I may actually have more to choose from than last year, but do you really think more STH's will drop?? I thought if anything after making the tourney, more may stay on, ESPECIALLY with the new stadium coming next year. I can sit in the lower level(currently upstairs), but honestly, it doesn't really appeal to me(considering most would be behind the basket), what i really want to do is be able to move to one of the center court sections within 5 rows from the first row. I'd probably already be there, except when MU started this yearly reseating, many people got rid of their lowers, and instead that's where they went...first couple rows of the center sections upstairs. That shocked me, as I figured most people with lowers would in no way give those up(lowers seemed to be the desired ones). So probably just bad luck that it happened that way.
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Okay, so obviously donating didn't do a thing for me...
Had I known, that was all it was going to do for me, I;d have saved my $$.
Well, it's nice to know your heart was in the right place.
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I did think about that as a possibility, that I may actually have more to choose from than last year, but do you really think more STH's will drop?? I thought if anything after making the tourney, more may stay on, ESPECIALLY with the new stadium coming next year. I can sit in the lower level(currently upstairs), but honestly, it doesn't really appeal to me(considering most would be behind the basket), what i really want to do is be able to move to one of the center court sections within 5 rows from the first row. I'd probably already be there, except when MU started this yearly reseating, many people got rid of their lowers, and instead that's where they went...first couple rows of the center sections upstairs. That shocked me, as I figured most people with lowers would in no way give those up(lowers seemed to be the desired ones). So probably just bad luck that it happened that way.
How many points do you have?
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How many points do you have?
45 now
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You may have a ways to go. I have 98.
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You may have a ways to go. I have 98.
People with as many points as you should be downstairs. :) I may be incorrect but I THOUGHT last year when I selected, I did actually have a chance to be in the first or second row in one of the center sections...the problem was..they were the middle of the row..Can't do it, HAVE to have my aisle seats..I get to wound up during tight games and like to get up and move around during tense moments if necessary. I think I had a chance for center section aisle seats but they were 8-9 rows up..that's too far..aisle seats also allow for the quickest out after games are over, that's paramount to me as I am A:LWAYS in a hurry.
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People with as many points as you should be downstairs. :) I may be incorrect but I THOUGHT last year when I selected, I did actually have a chance to be in the first or second row in one of the center sections...the problem was..they were the middle of the row..Can't do it, HAVE to have my aisle seats..I get to wound up during tight games and like to get up and move around during tense moments if necessary. I think I had a chance for center section aisle seats but they were 8-9 rows up..that's too far..aisle seats also allow for the quickest out after games are over, that's paramount to me as I am A:LWAYS in a hurry.
To Marquette's credit, they give you a lot of credit for being loyal. A lot of my point are for consecutive years of being a STH, consecutive years of giving, etc. We have been STHs for 8 years and consistent donors, and here are our points that have nothing to do with the dollar amounts of our donations:
May 5, 2017 Con YR to BGF 14.00
May 5, 2017 MBB STH post96 16.00
May 5, 2017 Spouse Degree 10.00
May 5, 2017 Degree Points 10.00
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To Marquette's credit, they give you a lot of credit for being loyal. A lot of my point are for consecutive years of being a STH, consecutive years of giving, etc. We have been STHs for 8 years and consistent donors, and here are our points that have nothing to do with the dollar amounts of our donations:
May 5, 2017 Con YR to BGF 14.00
May 5, 2017 MBB STH post96 16.00
May 5, 2017 Spouse Degree 10.00
May 5, 2017 Degree Points 10.00
See..ive actually been a season ticket holder twice as long as you..just started donating 3 years ago..but where I'm really hurt in comparison to most are the degree points..that gives you 20 more than me right there. I didnt go to MU, just been a fan all my life.
I think that's probably unique..and something i'd be very curious to know is how many sth's are non Alums..I bet it's not many..and probably fewer that are non alums that have had st's as long as me. Just a guess. Actually pretty proud of that..im in unique company :)
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See..ive actually been a season ticket holder twice as long as you..just started donating 3 years ago..but where I'm really hurt in comparison to most are the degree points..that gives you 20 more than me right there. I didnt go to MU, just been a fan all my life.
I think that's probably unique..and something i'd be very curious to know is how many sth's are non Alums..I bet it's not many..and probably fewer that are non alums that have had st's as long as me. Just a guess. Actually pretty proud of that..im in unique company :)
My brother and I dodged that with our tickets. We used our dad's account. Hahahaa
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I'm June 5 at 6:22. I think you passed me Brew. I have two degrees from MU and my wife's, that's 25 points right there. Lesson always: marry an MU alum.
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I did think about that as a possibility, that I may actually have more to choose from than last year, but do you really think more STH's will drop?? I thought if anything after making the tourney, more may stay on, ESPECIALLY with the new stadium coming next year. I can sit in the lower level(currently upstairs), but honestly, it doesn't really appeal to me(considering most would be behind the basket), what i really want to do is be able to move to one of the center court sections within 5 rows from the first row. I'd probably already be there, except when MU started this yearly reseating, many people got rid of their lowers, and instead that's where they went...first couple rows of the center sections upstairs. That shocked me, as I figured most people with lowers would in no way give those up(lowers seemed to be the desired ones). So probably just bad luck that it happened that way.
I don't think a 8% churn out is out of line for the leaky bucket, remembering anyone new comes in after you. And yes, with the quality of the schedule and team, people are dropping out or down to packages. Those packages were very favorable for Chicago alums in terms of time and money.
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See..ive actually been a season ticket holder twice as long as you..just started donating 3 years ago..but where I'm really hurt in comparison to most are the degree points..that gives you 20 more than me right there. I didnt go to MU, just been a fan all my life.
I think that's probably unique..and something i'd be very curious to know is how many sth's are non Alums..I bet it's not many..and probably fewer that are non alums that have had st's as long as me. Just a guess. Actually pretty proud of that..im in unique company :)
Thanks for your support!
Actually, the folks who sat next to us last season aren't alums, and they actually drove from Madison for every game. I don't know how long they have had season tickets, though.
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Thanks for your support!
Actually, the folks who sat next to us last season aren't alums, and they actually drove from Madison for every game. I don't know how long they have had season tickets, though.
I drive an hour one way myself..I just love MU basketball.
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I drive an hour one way myself..I just love MU basketball.
:-* I must say that non-alums are my favorite type of fan; they don't "have" to support the team.
Thanks for the scholarship donation.
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[quote author=warriorchick link=topic=51465.msg928449#msg928449 date=1494384325
May 5, 2017 Con YR to BGF 14.00
May 5, 2017 MBB STH post96 16.00
May 5, 2017 Spouse Degree 10.00
May 5, 2017 Degree Points 10.00
[/quote]
Wait, you can get points for your spouse being a MU degree holder? How have I missed the boat on this? I am assuming if I just contact the ticket office I can get that added to my account?
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[quote author=warriorchick link=topic=51465.msg928449#msg928449 date=1494384325
May 5, 2017 Con YR to BGF 14.00
May 5, 2017 MBB STH post96 16.00
May 5, 2017 Spouse Degree 10.00
May 5, 2017 Degree Points 10.00
Wait, you can get points for your spouse being a MU degree holder? How have I missed the boat on this? I am assuming if I just contact the ticket office I can get that added to my account?
Yep, just call and let them know.
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Yep, just call and let them know.
You have to let her go to the games with you, though. ;)
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How many points do you get if you skip the degree and just donated the cost of attendance straight to the Blue & Gold Fund?
How does this compare with the costs of courting an MU grad to be your spouse?
Asking for a friend.
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How many points do you get if you skip the degree and just donated the cost of attendance straight to the Blue & Gold Fund?
How does this compare with the costs of courting an MU grad to be your spouse?
Asking for a friend.
So you suggesting mail order marriages and quickee on-line divorces for MU points...?
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So you suggesting mail order marriages and quickee on-line divorces for MU points...?
Joe True canvasses the crowd, and before reseating, reconfirms the marriage status of couples who look a little iffy based on their body language. The Kiss Cam was an essential tool of his before the PC types took it away.
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The Kiss Cam was an essential tool of his before the PC types took it away...
Ah...the old facial recognition software trick.
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So you suggesting mail order marriages and quickee on-line divorces for MU points...?
How else did you think 4ever maintained his rank?
On a different note, I'm guessing there is more than one person out there who are buying a single seat in the upper end zones every year but never use them... just to maintain their MBB STH points. We had three of the four seats in a "mini-row" along the tunnel upstairs for three years... not once in 60 games did anyone ever sit in that seat (we used it for the diaper bag and coats, mostly).
At first, I figured it was someone buying a cheap single to get into the arena and then finding an open seat downstairs. But the next two years, I noticed that the fourth seat was always available at my reseating appt. but it was always sold by the end of the process... so someone was buying it as a season ticket.
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In addition to my usual donation, this year I bought a table to the B&G Auction and made a $500 donation while there. I only moved up 80 minutes. But I see that as a positive, there is interest and investment in MU athletics. That can only be a good thing.
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In addition to my usual donation, this year I bought a table to the B&G Auction and made a $500 donation while there. I only moved up 80 minutes. But I see that as a positive, there is interest and investment in MU athletics. That can only be a good thing.
You only get the value in points allowed by the IRS of the donation.
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You only get the value in points allowed by the IRS of the donation.
I understand that. It still was a bigger jump in dollars for me than normal. And every year I have moved up a little in time picking.
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How else did you think 4ever maintained his rank?
Since he earned his degree with his hands, I thought he was claiming Rosey as his dependent, ai-na?
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You have to let her go to the games with you, though. ;)
What about spouse who employed at MU? Any point addition from that?
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[quote author=warriorchick link=topic=51465.msg928449#msg928449 date=1494384325
May 5, 2017 Con YR to BGF 14.00
May 5, 2017 MBB STH post96 16.00
May 5, 2017 Spouse Degree 10.00
May 5, 2017 Degree Points 10.00
Wait, you can get points for your spouse being a MU degree holder? How have I missed the boat on this? I am assuming if I just contact the ticket office I can get that added to my account?
The spouse degree thing really put me behind the eight ball with my season ticket buddy. His wife has 2 degree from MU (15 points) and my wife has 0 MU degrees.
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Shot in the dark here, but if anyone has a re-seating time around 3:30-3:40p on June 5 and plans to select less than 4 tickets, please PM me.
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Shot in the dark here, but if anyone has a re-seating time around 3:30-3:40p on June 5 and plans to select less than 4 tickets, please PM me.
No cheating!
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No cheating!
What if Benny were to hire that person as an Assistant Seatmate?
Just because that Assistant happened to have a prior relationship with a prized seat, would that be cheating?
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So what if you split two tickets with your MU grad brother? We don't have 'spouse' points but we go to every game together.
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So what if you split two tickets with your MU grad brother? We don't have 'spouse' points but we go to every game together.
Sorry; you can marry a guy now, but I am pretty sure marrying an immediate family member is a no go...
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Can we change the subject of this thread to 'cheapskates'?
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You only get the value in points allowed by the IRS of the donation.
Incorrect.
If you donate $1,000 you will get 10 B&G points even though only $800 is tax deductible.
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No cheating!
I never thought of it that way. Shiite. Do I cheat and get a fifth ticket downstairs, rotate which children get to go to the games, or dilute my points and select five seats in a later time slot (I'm thinking Row A or B of Section 400)?
In other words, thank you for re-calibrating my moral compass. Perhaps someday I can repay you with the "joy" of having to sit near my kids for an entire season. ;D
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Has anyone gone into the computer system and looked at their row yet. I did and am wondering if selection doesn't start until next week, how come rows are already listing that seats are already not available.
The row that we have sat in for many years says that only 13 of 15 are available.
I noticed that this is the case in a lot of the rows already.
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Has anyone gone into the computer system and looked at their row yet. I did and am wondering if selection doesn't start until next week, how come rows are already listing that seats are already not available.
The row that we have sat in for many years says that only 13 of 15 are available.
I noticed that this is the case in a lot of the rows already.
Marquette reserves spots for the AD and admin.
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Is this the point where I insert the text from an email I received from MU about getting to select seats before reseating starts simply by pledging an annual donation to B&G for the next 10 years thus prompting a flood of emails to the ADept about why they didn't get the same email?
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Got my same seats this year again. System worked really well.
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Got my same seats this year again. System worked really well.
What is your rank? I am 247 and I do not pick until 3:02 Friday.
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What is your rank? I am 247 and I do not pick until 3:02 Friday.
Asking Bill Gates how much money he has in the bank?
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Got my same seats this year again. System worked really well.
Pops, ya bitchin' or braggin', hey?
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Got my same seats this year again. System worked really well.
Janitors still stationed under the basket, hey.
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I received a email from the Marquette ticket office yesterday saying I was the grand prize winner of the season ticket renewal incentive contest! Funjet vacation to Punta Cana. Did anyone else on here win any of the daily prizes?
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Send video of TAMU on his moon, hey?
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I received a email from the Marquette ticket office yesterday saying I was the grand prize winner of the season ticket renewal incentive contest! Funjet vacation to Punta Cana. Did anyone else on here win any of the daily prizes?
Should merge with Medcalf thread....
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I received a email from the Marquette ticket office yesterday saying I was the grand prize winner of the season ticket renewal incentive contest! Funjet vacation to Punta Cana. Did anyone else on here win any of the daily prizes?
Awesome! Let it be known that from this moment forward you owe beers to any scooper you meet up with at the game.
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Awesome! Let it be known that from this moment forward you owe beers to any scooper you meet up with at the game.
So let it be written
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I received a email from the Marquette ticket office yesterday saying I was the grand prize winner of the season ticket renewal incentive contest! Funjet vacation to Punta Cana. Did anyone else on here win any of the daily prizes?
WHAT!!! No one with 9 measly posts deserves that awesome prize!
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TWITTER TRACKING
https://twitter.com/muathletics/status/870307370806784001
Stupid chicken in a badly lit room.
Congratulations.
Did anyone else win anything?
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JENNIFER!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have a 3rd female scooper! She definitely owes us beer.
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TWITTER TRACKING
https://twitter.com/muathletics/status/870307370806784001
Stupid chicken in a badly lit room.
Congratulations.
Did anyone else win anything?
I get to sit next to chick. Does that count?
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I get to sit next to chick. Does that count?
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She is my wife!!
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She is my wife!!
Pretty presumptive of you to assume she is taking you....
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She is my wife!!
Pic? Axin' for BeeJay, hey?
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Pretty presumptive of you to assume she is taking you....
Exactly.
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Went to the Al at the appointed hour last night. No issues, other than I still don't understand why you can't see the actual seats you are there to select. I get that there might be need to shuffle up things a bit after the process is completed, but I have no idea where in the row my two are going to land.
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Went to the Al at the appointed hour last night. No issues, other than I still don't understand why you can't see the actual seats you are there to select. I get that there might be need to shuffle up things a bit after the process is completed, but I have no idea where in the row my two are going to land.
I am curious as I know a lot of people do this, but what is the advantage of picking in person?
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To make sure mistakes dont happen!
For example i normally would do down in person...decided to skip last year.
Over the phone i picked my seats in lets say section 421 Row b 4 seats..every thing is fine..they send comfirmation 2 weeks or so later which i didnt bother to look at.
Turns out i get my seats and they are in Section 440 Row m.
They realized they made a mistake and hey kinda made it right.
I am going in person tomorrow.
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I am curious as I know a lot of people do this, but what is the advantage of picking in person?
Mostly habit/ritual, plus I enjoy interacting with the student athletes that assist in the selection.
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Went to the Al at the appointed hour last night. No issues, other than I still don't understand why you can't see the actual seats you are there to select. I get that there might be need to shuffle up things a bit after the process is completed, but I have no idea where in the row my two are going to land.
It is part of the stupid Wisconsin Department of Revenue rule. There would be sales tax on the donation, if you can pick your actual seats.
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It is part of the stupid Wisconsin Department of Revenue rule. There would be sales tax on the donation, if you can pick your actual seats.
if it was just sales tax, we would not be doing this. If it is, shame on MU.
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if it was just sales tax, we would not be doing this. If it is, shame on MU.
Pretty sure it is an income tax issue.
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Pretty sure it is an income tax issue.
You are correct. I meant to say "If it was..."
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Just bought my seats. Same as last year.
Plenty of seats left in the lower bowl, but we would rather be in one of the front rows of the upper bowl at center court than buy significantly more expensive lower bowl seats towards the ends.
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Just bought my seats. Same as last year.
Plenty of seats left in the lower bowl, but we would rather be in one of the front rows of the upper bowl at center court than buy significantly more expense lower bowl seats towards the ends.
Did it seem like more inventory was available in both upper and lower?
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Yes. But we are picking a day earlier than we did last year, so I am not sure it's apples to apples.
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Anyone have the link for the seat selection site? Thanks
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It's
marquettereseating.com
But you won't be able to look at anything unless you have a user id and password.
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Just bought my seats. Same as last year.
Plenty of seats left in the lower bowl, but we would rather be in one of the front rows of the upper bowl at center court than buy significantly more expense lower bowl seats towards the ends.
Picking tomorrow, I haven't even looked at seats. It will only disappoint me unless I wait until an hour or so before my slot.
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Picking tomorrow, I haven't even looked at seats. It will only disappoint me unless I wait until an hour or so before my slot.
As STHOTG last year we would have thought you would have picked right before or after Daddy!
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Picking tomorrow afternoon. Although I work during the time I pick.
This is also my first time picking so I'm quite sure I'll mess this up.
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Just checked out the map... today is the second to last day of reseating, and there is a lot of inventory left. There must have been a ton of people who dropped their season tix.
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I also thought there was more available than usual. Perhaps, some don't want to spend that amount of coin with the new arena just a year away.
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Picking today at 520. While driving to Wrigley. Should be a fun experience. Hopefully get the same seats for the 7th year straight
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Just checked out the map... today is the second to last day of reseating, and there is a lot of inventory left. There must have been a ton of people who dropped their season tix.
The ticket office was tweeting that renewals were better than ever ... I'm pretty sure about 50% of people select their seats in the final 2 or 3 days, with about 15 minutes in between selections. The big donors get a longer window. Not many people select those first few days.
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I know I'm going to end up disappointed at what's left when I pick this afternoon...I always am. Reseating every year is the worst thing that could have happened to a STH like me..what it did was force some long time STH's that used to sit downstairs, into the first few upper rows in center court. If not for them, I'd have been where I wanted to be a few years ago already, I'm sure. That surprised me that that many STH's decided to move upstairs, because all we used to hear from many for awhile was "I'd never sit upstairs etc". Now all of a sudden, they are sitting upstairs.
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The ticket office was tweeting that renewals were better than ever ...
Where did you see that?
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I know I'm going to end up disappointed at what's left when I pick this afternoon...I always am. Reseating every year is the worst thing that could have happened to a STH like me..what it did was force some long time STH's that used to sit downstairs, into the first few upper rows in center court. If not for them, I'd have been where I wanted to be a few years ago already, I'm sure. That surprised me that that many STH's decided to move upstairs, because all we used to hear from many for awhile was "I'd never sit upstairs etc". Now all of a sudden, they are sitting upstairs.
Most of them have correctly figured that the 1st two rows in the uppers are better then row X in lowers.
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I know I'm going to end up disappointed at what's left when I pick this afternoon...I always am. Reseating every year is the worst thing that could have happened to a STH like me..what it did was force some long time STH's that used to sit downstairs, into the first few upper rows in center court. If not for them, I'd have been where I wanted to be a few years ago already, I'm sure. That surprised me that that many STH's decided to move upstairs, because all we used to hear from many for awhile was "I'd never sit upstairs etc". Now all of a sudden, they are sitting upstairs.
So what you're really saying is that the Blue/Gold point system is unfair? Are you suggesting that the proper criteria is to weight season ticket longevity significantly more heavily? Doesn't that take one of Marquette's greatest assets (basketball) and fail to maximize its ability to raise money for the endowment?
I have a suggestion for you muguru..........
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Most of them have correctly figured that the 1st two rows in the uppers are better then row X in lowers.
Shhhhhhhhhhhh. 8-)
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Just checked out the map... today is the second to last day of reseating, and there is a lot of inventory left. There must have been a ton of people who dropped their season tix.
At this point for people like me that pick this afternoon..it's not so much about how MUCH is left..it's about the QUALITY that's left.
Question about picking a row and not being able to actually see the seats..should I opt to go this route..does anyone know if I call the ticket office at the time I select..if they would/could tell me what exact seats are available?
Because i LOVE aisle seats..but..I don't want to select a "row" and gamble that I will get the aisle, when in reality I end up in the middle of the row..or..say I select a row that has all the seats available..can I call them and say "make sure I'm on the aisle"?
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Noooooo, my seats were jacked. Or taken off the market? Cause the 4 rows behind were I usually sit are also gone, and no one ever sits there, ever.
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At this point for people like me that pick this afternoon..it's not so much about how MUCH is left..it's about the QUALITY that's left.
Question about picking a row and not being able to actually see the seats..should I opt to go this route..does anyone know if I call the ticket office at the time I select..if they would/could tell me what exact seats are available?
Because i LOVE aisle seats..but..I don't want to select a "row" and gamble that I will get the aisle, when in reality I end up in the middle of the row..or..say I select a row that has all the seats available..can I call them and say "make sure I'm on the aisle"?
Select aisle as your primary preference and I believe they will move you up and down rows in a section to give you aisles....or you could go with the same seats as last year as the primary preference.
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Shhhhhhhhhhhh. 8-)
I will say, it's surprising that MU hasn't done a better job of putting the right value on the seats. Maybe we're in the minority but I find sitting in the first two rows of the upper deck to be more valuable than the last two rows of the lower.
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So what you're really saying is that the Blue/Gold point system is unfair? Are you suggesting that the proper criteria is to weight season ticket longevity significantly more heavily? Doesn't that take one of Marquette's greatest assets (basketball) and fail to maximize its ability to raise money for the endowment?
I have a suggestion for you muguru..........
I'm not saying it's unfair...It is what it is...I just find it ironic that so many of the same people that swore they would never move upstairs a few years ago, have moved upstairs since reseating started every year. You do raise a good point though, about season ticket longevity, I do think they could give you added points for consecutive years of being a STH..I mean that should count for something. I have donated the last 3 years, hoping it would bump me significantly enough(like up at least a couple thousand spots) to get what I want. In reality, the donations I have made really haven't done me anything...Made my largest donation last year and I think I moved up about an hour..Really??
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I'm not saying it's unfair...It is what it is...I just find it ironic that so many of the same people that swore they would never move upstairs a few years ago, have moved upstairs since reseating started every year. You do raise a good point though, about season ticket longevity, I do think they could give you added points for consecutive years of being a STH..I mean that should count for something. I have donated the last 3 years, hoping it would bump me significantly enough(like up at least a couple thousand spots) to get what I want. In reality, the donations I have made really haven't done me anything...Made my largest donation last year and I think I moved up about an hour..Really??
They do. Consecutive season ticket seasons is a criterion, actually pretty heavily weighted.
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They do. Consecutive season ticket seasons is a criterion, actually pretty heavily weighted.
Eh, it's only 2 points though...they should institute a "bonus" for say, 5 years, 10 years, 15 years etc. Like give additional points when you reach those thresholds..
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I will say, it's surprising that MU hasn't done a better job of putting the right value on the seats. Maybe we're in the minority but I find sitting in the first two rows of the upper deck to be more valuable than the last two rows of the lower.
It makes sense that they wouldn't mess with it this year eng. But chick and I were just talking yesterday about the interesting calculation we'll face next year. 'Our' prime uppers next year will be inferior seats almost for sure. So the question we'll face is 'do we go lower bowl at a higher price point' vs 'do we stay in our prime uppers'. It'll depend partly on how they price those two products.
Did you pick yet eng? Coming over to our side or does #noredforowen insist on his favorite bathroom being handy! ;D
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Eh, it's only 2 points though...they should institute a "bonus" for say, 5 years, 10 years, 15 years etc. Like give additional points when you reach those thresholds..
Not a terrible idea. I suppose no system is perfect.
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Man, before they went to every-year-reseating .. on the yearly form, you could check "please call me to reseat" or something like that. Every year they'd call and I always improved my seat, sometimes preposterously so .. I went from row W to row C one year, sitting with some big muckity mucks.
Also one year, they offered me a seat one section over, but I figured the extra $600 wasn't worth moving 12 feet left.
That's kinda why I've stopped making extra donations. I'll forever be in 203 or 211, they are good enough, and moving one section over would take many years of sizable donations .. all so I can be 30 feet over and pay more? Nah, I'm good.
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Question about picking a row and not being able to actually see the seats..should I opt to go this route..does anyone know if I call the ticket office at the time I select..if they would/could tell me what exact seats are available?
Because i LOVE aisle seats..but..I don't want to select a "row" and gamble that I will get the aisle, when in reality I end up in the middle of the row..or..say I select a row that has all the seats available..can I call them and say "make sure I'm on the aisle"?
They will not tell you exactly what's available. The aisles generally go first. If there are 4 or more seats taken in the row, it's usually safe to assume the aisles are gone. I wanted an aisle last year and I looked for the best row in my desired section where no seats were taken. I then told them "I want this row, preferably on the aisle closest to center court" and I got the exact seats I expected to get.
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Did you pick yet eng? Coming over to our side or does #noredforowen insist on his favorite bathroom being handy! ;D
As of 1:26PM CST our tickets from last year are still available and we pick at 1:58PM CST so I'm guessing Owen is getting his favorite bathroom out of the deal.
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As of 1:26PM CST our tickets from last year are still available and we pick at 1:58PM CST so I'm guessing Owen is getting his favorite bathroom out of the deal.
Just reached Eng Boss. Emergency project he'll expect by top of hour!
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Just reached Eng Boss. Emergency project he'll expect by top of hour!
Same seatsies....plenty of party room in section 422
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Same seatsies....plenty of party room in section 422
As I'm thinking, #nored will soon be interested in the coor's light chicks lining up for beer anyway!
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At the BC, I actually prefer sitting higher than lower because of the quick exit, the video board (no crooked necks), and assured aisle leg room. I am looking forward to the new basketball fan designed arena and seats.
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As I get older the cupholder will be the biggest improvement so I don't have to bend over to get my beer.
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As I'm thinking, #nored will soon be interested in the coor's light chicks lining up for beer anyway!
The dude is a lady's man
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As of 3:30pm, inventory was quite a bit better in the end zone and corner lowers relative to my selection time last year. Closest to the court throughout was a pair in 204-C or the last row of 101.
For four tickets, best available was end zones rows D/E, corners row M, and baselines row P. That's with a rank in the mid 1500's, which according to the yellow sheet is the median.
Next year is going to be super interesting... lots of folks going to be flying blind. I wonder if the new arena will even be to the point where they could do an open house before reseating starts.
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Next year is going to be super interesting... lots of folks going to be flying blind. I wonder if the new arena will even be to the point where they could do an open house before reseating starts.
Maybe if they pushed it back to September.
I'll be interested to see how much they borrow from the Bucks pricing model for the new place.
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I knew it, I should have never bothered to look...extremely disappointed AGAIN, pretty much everything in the first five rows upper center courts are taken... >:( C'mon people, take lowers for crying out loud!
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Anyone know why 219 is 95% empty? People don't like sitting next to the band/students, I take it?
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Anyone know why 219 is 95% empty? People don't like sitting next to the band/students, I take it?
I think because there's still stuff left in other sections. 218 has a loyal following of people that specifically want to be there and have been for a long time, and there's still good seats that are more interior at the same price point. 209 and 205, which are similar angles in the southeast and southwest corners, are similarly open.
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Anyone know why 219 is 95% empty? People don't like sitting next to the band/students, I take it?
Absolutely, first year I had tickets and sat in the upper deck section next to the students and it was awful for the big games especially concessions and bathrooms.
*not a judgement on student behavior, you do you Lord knows we did the same thing. Just don't need to be by it once my main goal isn't to be drunk AF
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Just made my selection, and actually pleased for the first time in years. Moved a section closer to center court (from 218 to 217) and moved down 5 rows, though that was largely because I made sure to get aisle seats last year.
Had I had the same criteria as last year, I still would've moved up one row while also moving one section closer to center.
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I used to ask for isle seats. Now I ask for the middle seats. There are two problems with isle seats. First you have to get up to let people in and out. The other one, depending on which isle you are on, the people walking up or down the isle can block your view. Maybe this is not a problem in the upper sections, but there are a lot of people in the lowers that show up after the game or half has started.
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Wasn't happy with my choices..It seems I keep donating, keep moving up in rank, and every year the choices aren't as good. Sure, I could have easily gone downstairs...but I'm fine upstairs, but I REALLY want to be in one of the two centert court sections...400, 422. And sure I could have sat there, but nothing closer then 7 rows deep(and then I wouldn''t have been assured aisle seats). 5 minutes before I was to select someone took my seats from last year...so I saw the two on the aisle same row other side and was going to take those two..two minutes later, those were gone..So i actually moved up a row, other end(closer to center court).
I'm done donating though, it's not doing me a bit of good.
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102 EE
lots still available
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I'm done donating though, it's not doing me a bit of good.
Which, of course, is the entire point of charitable giving.
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Which, of course, is the entire point of charitable giving.
Again chick, as I noted...I am not an alum...so my ONLY ties or interest in the University is the basketball program. Sorry, but that's just the way it is..so I want my donations to have a positive effect on ME.
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I picked tonight and got my same seats, Row A upstairs in the corner. Seemed like it was same inventory as last year.
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So, everyone improved or held court but Guru?
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So, everyone improved or held court but Guru?
Seriously, I don't know what it is, but it seems like every year we have done this my seats from the previous year have been taken. Interested to see what happens next year and the new arena..I mean, there shouldn't be a bad seat in the house there, right??
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I can empathize, guru. This is only the second time in the last 7 years that my seats didn't get worse without a price tier upgrade. What always baffled me was the sections more expensive than mine were still full, so if people were dropping down or out, it wasn't helping me any. And while I improved my seats this year, the seats I was in last year were gone before I picked.
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There are two problems with isle seats. First you have to get up to let people in and out. The other one, depending on which isle you are on, the people walking up or down the isle can block your view.
Agree. Last year my other group-mate picked our seats, two stacked on the aisle. Every effing game, I'd have to get up 20 times to let people in and out.
.. Our foursome improved about 5 rows this year.
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Seriously, I don't know what it is, but it seems like every year we have done this my seats from the previous year have been taken. Interested to see what happens next year and the new arena..I mean, there shouldn't be a bad seat in the house there, right??
One would think the seats at the new arena will be out of this world! About 11,000 in the lower bowl as well.
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Every effing game, I'd have to get up 20 times to let people in and out.
It's worse at Bucks games.
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Agree. Last year my other group-mate picked our seats, two stacked on the aisle. Every effing game, I'd have to get up 20 times to let people in and out.
.. Our foursome improved about 5 rows this year.
I tried aisle last year and felt the same way. Getting up constantly and everyone walks right by you. The only aisles worth being on are either the two-seat aisles in the end zone (207) and the uppers over the entryways (403, 419, 425, 441), provided you are in the 4-seat aisles and you are on the "away from center court" side, which minimizes how much you have to get up as well as keeping people from obstructing your view because they're walking behind your sight line.
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I get the aisle complaints, but if you are tall and/or have a wee child at the game, aisles are the way to go.
At least next year there will be cup holders so the spill risk goes down exponentially. Also will be curious as to the leg room....if there's enough leg room I'm going to skip the aisle seats in the new arena I think
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I get the aisle complaints, but if you are tall and/or have a wee child at the game, aisles are the way to go.
At least next year there will be cup holders so the spill risk goes down exponentially. Also will be curious as to the leg room....if there's enough leg room I'm going to skip the aisle seats in the new arena I think
Is this the last year #nored gets in for free?
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Is this the last year #nored gets in for free?
That is correct, he turns two during the season, so really hoping they don't check for ID. If I carry him in and make sure he has a pacifier (he doesn't use them any more except for naps) then I think I can get him past :)
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That is correct, he turns two during the season, so really hoping they don't check for ID. If I carry him in and make sure he has a pacifier (he doesn't use them any more except for naps) then I think I can get him past :)
He needs to start scoopin' soon.
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He needs to start scoopin' soon.
oh god no, I wouldn't wish this place on anyone let alone my own son.
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That is correct, he turns two during the season, so really hoping they don't check for ID. If I carry him in and make sure he has a pacifier (he doesn't use them any more except for naps) then I think I can get him past :)
Blankies and pacifiers can work wonders. Nobody ever gave my three year old a second look last year... although according to the growth charts, she's as big as a two year old, so volume-wise, I was not in violation.
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Agree. Last year my other group-mate picked our seats, two stacked on the aisle. Every effing game, I'd have to get up 20 times to let people in and out.
I couldn't be more in agreement. Normally I take the best row I can get and pot luck on the location which means they put me in the middle. Last year one game I sat in my buddy's aisle seats and felt like a jack-in-the-box. Listen people I don't know what you are there for but I go to watch the game, the whole game and nothing but the game. Its a very intense experience for me. I do my business and get my food before the game or at half time. I hate people making me get up and messing with my intensity. So put me in the middle of the row please. ;D
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I couldn't be more in agreement. Normally I take the best row I can get and pot luck on the location which means they put me in the middle. Last year one game I sat in my buddy's aisle seats and felt like a jack-in-the-box. Listen people I don't know what you are there for but I go to watch the game, the whole game and nothing but the game. Its a very intense experience for me. I do my business and get my food before the game or at half time. I hate people making me get up and messing with my intensity. So put me in the middle of the row please. ;D
I'm there to watch the game and drink beer. So I love sitting on the aisle so I don't need to bother people.
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Blankies and pacifiers can work wonders. Nobody ever gave my three year old a second look last year... although according to the growth charts, she's as big as a two year old, so volume-wise, I was not in violation.
This is where we might be in trouble at 18 months he's taller then a lot of 2.5 year olds. However I'm not anticipating the ticket folks to be super good at identifying age in toddlers
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This is where we might be in trouble at 18 months he's taller then a lot of 2.5 year olds. However I'm not anticipating the ticket folks to be super good at identifying age in toddlers
If someone asks, just pretend to get teary-eyed and say, "He's got an overactive pituitary gland. The doctor says it will make him freakishly large for his age, but unfortunately, not a particularly good athlete. For the love of God, don't you think I have enough of a burden without everyone questioning his age?"
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If someone asks, just pretend to get teary-eyed and say, "He's got an overactive pituitary gland. The doctor says it will make him freakishly large for his age, but unfortunately, not a particularly good athlete. For the love of God, don't you think I have enough of a burden without everyone questioning his age?"
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I couldn't be more in agreement. Normally I take the best row I can get and pot luck on the location which means they put me in the middle. Last year one game I sat in my buddy's aisle seats and felt like a jack-in-the-box. Listen people I don't know what you are there for but I go to watch the game, the whole game and nothing but the game. Its a very intense experience for me. I do my business and get my food before the game or at half time. I hate people making me get up and messing with my intensity. So put me in the middle of the row please. ;D
The only thing that erks me is when people get up in the middle of a unnatural carnal knowledgeing play. Just wait until a dead ball. God damn
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The only thing that erks me is when people get up in the middle of a unnatural carnal knowledgeing play. Just wait until a dead ball. God damn
This should actually be some sort of enforceable law
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This should actually be some sort of enforceable law
I like to wait until a dead ball to walk up the stairs and watch by the entrance to the section. Sometimes have ushers telling me to get back to my seat or that I can't stand there. It always confuses me.
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Yep. If we're a minute late for the start of the second half, we'll wait at our tunnel landing for the couple of minutes until there's a dead ball. From there it's all of 5 seconds to our seats not 10 steps to our left.
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This should actually be some sort of enforceable law
I prefer self-policing for that issue.
That's the one (and only) thing I like about hockey crowds. They will actively yell at transgressors, in large numbers, to "wait for the goddam whistle".
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Done for the final year picking at the Bradley Center. Courtside in the upper, 2nd row. Same seats as the 3 years!
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Another good year for seat picking. Got our same seats for the past 7 yrs.. I guess we are lucky, as the others in our row hardly ever leave during the game. It will be interesting for next year. Now we walk right in , turn left and right straight to my (our) aisle seats. Easy in and easy out. I even have a place for my beer right next to me. Perfecto ! ! !
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I really do hope we get to walk into the new arena next year before we make a decision. But given the timing I think it'll be difficult.
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Now that this is the last year in the BC, I feel like I can "give away the secret" 441, 425, 419, 403 first two rows....The value of those tickets is sooo much better. No seat donation, can pick your own seats...etc
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I really do hope we get to walk into the new arena next year before we make a decision. But given the timing I think it'll be difficult.
At least you will only be stuck with your choice for one year.
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At least you will only be stuck with your choice for one year.
True dat.
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I ended up with better seat this time around, my normal seats were gobbled up already.
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Now that this is the last year in the BC, I feel like I can "give away the secret" 441, 425, 419, 403 first two rows....The value of those tickets is sooo much better. No seat donation, can pick your own seats...etc
I was second row in 441 for a season about 5-6 years ago. Loved it, but those seats were never available to me again. Also great are the first rows above the gap in those sections. There's enough of an elevation divide that no one can block your view and it's only 4 seat rows so you don't have to go past a bunch of people to get in or out.
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With all those extra lower bowl seats in the new arena, MU B&G is going to have a windfall in their coffers.
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With all those extra lower bowl seats in the new arena, MU B&G is going to have a windfall in their coffers.
How do you figure that? People aren't even buying all the lower bowl seats now.
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Now that this is the last year in the BC, I feel like I can "give away the secret" 441, 425, 419, 403 first two rows....The value of those tickets is sooo much better. No seat donation, can pick your own seats...etc
I've sat in 441 for the past 11 seasons. $275/seat with no donation.
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With all those extra lower bowl seats in the new arena, MU B&G is going to have a windfall in their coffers.
Yep .. it'll be very interesting to see what happens on that front. Wouldn't surprise me if they have more upper deck demand than supply.
Maybe they'll have some back row lowers with no donation required or something.
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How do you figure that? People aren't even buying all the lower bowl seats now.
More seats in the lowers, less in the uppers. If the same number of people stay upper, Guru gets pushed back to the top row.
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More seats in the lowers, less in the uppers. If the same number of people stay upper, Guru gets pushed back to the top row.
I just might, but I suspect in the new arena, the last row won't even be that bad..
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Yep .. it'll be very interesting to see what happens on that front. Wouldn't surprise me if they have more upper deck demand than supply.
Maybe they'll have some back row lowers with no donation required or something.
I don't think there will be 6,000 upper deck demand for season tickets. Many will go to the lower bowl.
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Now that this is the last year in the BC, I feel like I can "give away the secret" 441, 425, 419, 403 first two rows....The value of those tickets is sooo much better. No seat donation, can pick your own seats...etc
Completely agree, this will be the 4th year I've been in those seats. Sad to see them go next year.
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More seats in the lowers, less in the uppers. If the same number of people stay upper, Guru gets pushed back to the top row.
You are assuming that they are going jack up the donation for the lower bowl seats that used to be uppers, just because they are now lower bowl seats. I am not sure that is going to be the case.
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You are assuming that they are going jack up the donation for the lower bowl seats that used to be uppers, just because they are now lower bowl seats. I am not sure that is going to be the case.
It will be very interesting to see how they balance things in the new seats. You have excitement around the new arena and hopefully a Top 20 team coming off a tournament run versus an alumni base that is becoming increasingly price sensitive. They also should be mindful of creating a hostile environment for opposing teams and if you price such that a lot of your dependable fans are sitting upstairs leaving the lowers dependent on walk-ups to fill makes for a sad view on camera and an easier place to play.
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It will be very interesting to see how they balance things in the new seats. You have excitement around the new arena and hopefully a Top 20 team coming off a tournament run versus an alumni base that is becoming increasingly price sensitive. They also should be mindful of creating a hostile environment for opposing teams and if you price such that a lot of your dependable fans are sitting upstairs leaving the lowers dependent on walk-ups to fill makes for a sad view on camera and an easier place to play.
What report have you read that says alumni are becoming more price sensitive?
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What report have you read that says alumni are becoming more price sensitive?
The fact that the pool of STH is going down YoY
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If alumni are becoming more price sensitive, there would be less no-shows for non-conference during the week.
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The fact that the pool of STH is going down YoY
How do you know it's the price and not the quality of the product on the floor?
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How do you know it's the price and not the quality of the product on the floor?
Probably both along with the attrition of long-time older STHs.
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How do you know it's the price and not the quality of the product on the floor?
If quality goes down, sensitivity to price goes up, ergo........
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How do you know it's the price and not the quality of the product on the floor?
My initial reaction was that yes, STHs are getting more price sensitive, but I think you're right .. it's the product on the floor that makes them so.
Two seats in the corner amounts to $1450. That's not a casual purchase. But I think most STHs would pay $1600, hell $2000, to be back in the Big East (competitively) playing Syracuse, Notre Dame, UConn, Louisville, WVU each year.
It's gonna take a many more years to work out the shine we had 5 to 15 years ago, and reset people's value expectations. ... We should be more excited to play Butler and Creighton .. but we're not. :-\
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My initial reaction was that yes, STHs are getting more price sensitive, but I think you're right .. it's the product on the floor that makes them so.
Two seats in the corner amounts to $1450. That's not a casual purchase. But I think most STHs would pay $1600, hell $2000, to be back in the Big East (competitively) playing Syracuse, Notre Dame, UConn, Louisville, WVU each year.
It's gonna take a many more years to work out the shine we had 5 to 15 years ago, and reset people's value expectations. ... We should be more excited to play Butler and Creighton .. but we're not. :-\
I don't think that's it at all topper. It's not a function of new BEast vs. old BEast, especially with the old unbalanced schedule. Nobody gave a damn about West Virginia or especially South Florida. And Creighton, Butler and Xavier are wonderful rivals with great basketball traditions. And sure it would be great to play the freakin' Domers.
The problem has been watching crappy basketball for too many years. We have the right to expect our Warriors to compete at the top end of the conference winning the lion's share of our BEast games, especially at home. I remember both sides of this. I remember the completely unacceptable loss at home against DePaul and the embarrassing whipping by Iowa when we left the BC with 8 minute to go. I also remember dismantling Xavier and beating Nova. We need more of the latter.
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I'm not worried about the STH decline. They may not increase this year, but renewal percentage was well ahead of last year, so there's less attrition than in recent years. If they stay about status quo, there will be a bump next year for the new arena.
Get to the tourney this year (tough but doable) and bring in a top-20 team to start the season next year with a new venue and numbers will climb. Keep winning, they'll keep going up. Maybe not to the same numbers we had, but it's a new era of fan, so that's just the reality.
There will be fans that want to see regular games in the new venue without paying NBA prices.
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I don't think that's it at all topper. It's not a function of new BEast vs. old BEast, especially with the old unbalanced schedule. Nobody gave a damn about West Virginia or especially South Florida. And Creighton, Butler and Xavier are wonderful rivals with great basketball traditions. And sure it would be great to play the freakin' Domers.
The problem has been watching crappy basketball for too many years.
It's both of those elements, but I do believe it's more the teams we play / used to play.
What would people rather watch .. mediocre play versus Butler or the same effort versus Louisville?
Every sport has fans that buy tickets for a variety of reasons. IMHO, the vast majority of fans do NOT carefully watch the game. They're there for the experience, the noise, the lights, and certainly the prestige of being at "the game." (Unbalanced schedule? Please. Most people don't even know what that is.)
If attendance/purchasing was about basketball performance, we'd see more people at the Houston Baptist games .. man, we look good at those games! All those dunks and 3s .. delicious. 8-)
Yeah, I grant that there are folks who are there to really watch basketball performance, techniques, plays, defenses. They are outnumbered.
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Maybe I didn't make my point properly topper. In the world of 'MU opponents', there isn't a material difference between our current and former BEast home schedule. Maybe a little at the margin and it would have been certainly true it the BEast hadn't turned out as successful as it did. But Xavier is a far more interesting opponent than West Virginia.
I'd argue that the only 4 schools that mattered at all that we lost were ND, Cuse and Louisville and UConn. And half of them suck now, probably because their historic BEast roots have been destroyed. (Their loss; they chose to play football.) West Virginia, Rutgers, So. FLA, Cinci, Pitt, all yawn. And we didn't get them all at home every year anyway.
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It's all about NOT losing at home...period. MU HAS to do a better job of protecting their home floor...now maybe things will change in the new arena(I sure hope so), but they simply haven't been "dominant" at home in many years. I promise you, you win games at home, fans will show up again...fans show up, now you are creating an even more dominant home court advantage. You want it to be top 10 in the nation consistently. That's what will bring fans back.
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Ever since Williams left for VT the buzz has disappeared from home games.
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Maybe I didn't make my point properly topper. In the world of 'MU opponents', there isn't a material difference between our current and former BEast home schedule.
I submit .. people judge "material differences" in a very different way than you (seem to suggest.) It's not about RPI or recent performance.
The prestige gap between X, Creighton, Butler versus Louisville, UConn, Syracuse, and even ND .. is enormous. They are the Ferrari to our VW.
(*Not to besmirch VW, we've got fahrvergnügen and that's pretty special. yep, yep.)
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I submit .. people judge "material differences" in a very different way than you (seem to suggest.) It's not about RPI or recent performance.
The prestige gap between X, Creighton, Butler versus Louisville, UConn, Syracuse, and even ND .. is enormous. They are the Ferrari to our VW.
(*Not to besmirch VW, we've got fahrvergnügen and that's pretty special. yep, yep.)
Your ignoring the boring dog meat that had to come with that. Nobody gives a damn about Rutgers, West Virginia, So. Fla, etc. So sure, a conference that replaced exactly the 3-4 you mentioned......
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Your ignoring the boring dog meat that had to come with that. Nobody gives a damn about Rutgers, West Virginia, So. Fla, etc. So sure, a conference that replaced exactly the 3-4 you mentioned......
Yes, there were/are teams in the OBE and NBE that few were interested in seeing play. Is your point that the lower half of the NBE is better than the lower OBE? Well, super. That does not translate into more interest or ticket sales.
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Yes, there were/are teams in the OBE and NBE that few were interested in seeing play. Is your point that the lower half of the NBE is better than the lower OBE? Well, super. That does not translate into more interest or ticket sales.
Where we disagree topper is that in my view our attendance has been impacted by excessive losing, not the failure of Syracuse to appear in our building. I guess we'll find out when we're 26-4 again!
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Your ignoring the boring dog meat that had to come with that. Nobody gives a damn about Rutgers, West Virginia, So. Fla, etc. So sure, a conference that replaced exactly the 3-4 you mentioned......
I think you are underselling West Virginia a bit. They've been very good recently and having Huggins adds some juice.
I think there's less duds of opponents. We just need to do a better job of beating them. It feels like every time we get a nice win or two, there is a clunker at home. That deflates he fan base and students quite a bit.
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- The Coors Light Corner remains for alums of the past five years.
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Coors Light Corner for recent alumni? Wouldn't Busch Light Club be more appropriate for recent graduates to better reflect their Marquette experience. Coors Light was considered "good beer" at house parties.
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Maybe I didn't make my point properly topper. In the world of 'MU opponents', there isn't a material difference between our current and former BEast home schedule. Maybe a little at the margin and it would have been certainly true it the BEast hadn't turned out as successful as it did. But Xavier is a far more interesting opponent than West Virginia.
I'd argue that the only 4 schools that mattered at all that we lost were ND, Cuse and Louisville and UConn. And half of them suck now, probably because their historic BEast roots have been destroyed. (Their loss; they chose to play football.) West Virginia, Rutgers, So. FLA, Cinci, Pitt, all yawn. And we didn't get them all at home every year anyway.
I had a hard time considering a team that made it to the Final Four in 2016 as in the "suck" category.
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Coors Light Corner for recent alumni? Wouldn't Busch Light Club be more appropriate for recent graduates to better reflect their Marquette experience. Coors Light was considered "good beer" at house parties.
I don't know how "recent" you are, but most of the kids I know from the classes of 13-16 are craft beer drinkers, even when they were students.
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I don't know how "recent" you are, but most of the kids I know from the classes of 13-16 are craft beer drinkers, even when they were students.
much older than that! Are you telling me at house parties they're serving kegs of craft brew now? We were considered having "good beer" by serving kegs or Coors instead of Busch Light, Pabst or the one today's students sadly missed out on, Blatz.
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much older than that! Are you telling me at house parties they're serving kegs of craft brew now? We were considered having "good beer" by serving kegs or Coors instead of Busch Light, Pabst or the one today's students sadly missed out on, Blatz.
The "rich kids" that chick knows, yes.. I would hope the masses are still swilling Natty Light, etc.
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The "rich kids" that chick knows, yes.. I would hope the masses are still swilling Natty Light, etc.
Just look at the taps at Caffrey's when you are down there in a couple of weeks.
Do they even sell Natty Light anymore?
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Just look at the taps at Caffrey's when you are down there in a couple of weeks.
Do they even sell Natty Light anymore?
JayBee will be swilling all the free beer at the Centennial. Caff's prices are too rich for him.
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JayBee will be swilling all the free beer at the Centennial. Caff's prices are too rich for him.
That's true about the Centennial.
Maybe I'll sweet talk a nice gal at the bar to buy me one of them there fancy craft brews after the event, ainnul?
Natural Light is still around (I had to google it to make sure though).
Speaking of seating... Hoopla seating should be interesting. Looks like big round tables of 10 throughout the floor...
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That's true about the Centennial.
Maybe I'll sweet talk a nice gal at the bar to buy me one of them there fancy craft brews after the event, ainnul?
Natural Light is still around (I had to google it to make sure though).
Speaking of seating... Hoopla seating should be interesting. Looks like big round tables of 10 throughout the floor...
The Brat House has doubles to meet your BOGO needs.
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You all don't know anything....
Craft beer at bars and small get togethers. Coors and Busch kegs at parties. Come on old people.
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You all don't know anything....
Craft beer at bars and small get togethers. Coors and Busch kegs at parties. Come on old people.
I don't think my kids ever participated in a Busch party. My recollection was Lite or High Life. What Marquette student ever goes near an AB product? Those are the Madison kids.
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I don't think my kids ever participated in a Busch party. My recollection was Lite or High Life. What Marquette student ever goes near an AB product? Those are the Madison kids.
We had Busch Light all the time because it was by far the cheapest keg available. No student, especially freshmen, cared who made the beer, we just wanted the beer. Hell, we drank Blatz and various "ice" versions of crap beer because it was beer and we paid $3 to get in the door.
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We had Busch Light all the time because it was by far the cheapest keg available. No student, especially freshmen, cared who made the beer, we just wanted the beer. Hell, we drank Blatz and various "ice" versions of crap beer because it was beer and we paid $3 to get in the door.
Sad, It was all about cheap beer '79-'83 but it had to be Wisconsin beer, Old Style....
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We had Busch Light all the time because it was by far the cheapest keg available. No student, especially freshmen, cared who made the beer, we just wanted the beer. Hell, we drank Blatz and various "ice" versions of crap beer because it was beer and we paid $3 to get in the door.
My experience (mid-90s) was exactly the same. Busch Light was extremely common.
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Your ignoring the boring dog meat that had to come with that. Nobody gives a damn about Rutgers, West Virginia, So. Fla, etc. So sure, a conference that replaced exactly the 3-4 you mentioned......
Rutgers was the only dog. West Virginia was always a good draw in Milwaukee.
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My experience (mid-90s) was exactly the same. Busch Light was extremely common.
Yeah, Bush parties, ai na?
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We had Busch Light all the time because it was by far the cheapest keg available. No student, especially freshmen, cared who made the beer, we just wanted the beer. Hell, we drank Blatz and various "ice" versions of crap beer because it was beer and we paid $3 to get in the door.
Wasn't Busch Light what was served for $3 at the Green Tree?
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Keystone was always a popular one when I was in school.
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Wasn't Busch Light what was served for $3 at the Green Tree?
I was post Green Tree, but the Lanche did have 25 cent Red White and Blue cans.
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I don't think my kids ever participated in a Busch party. My recollection was Lite or High Life. What Marquette student ever goes near an AB product? Those are the Madison kids.
2001-2005 was always Busch light, anywhere and everywhere. 30 racks at Danny's and in the keg it was like $49 for a barrel or $89 for miller lite, you can guess which one was more popular.
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I have the price sheet handy .. a smattering of today's prices:
1/2 bbl Miller Lite, MGD, High Life, etc - $99 .. 1/4bbl - $53
1/2 Old Milwaukee $85
1/2 Keystone Lite $71
1/2 Schlitz Gusto / Old Style $99
1/2 Sprecher $120
1/2 All Leinie's $135
1/2 Blue Moon $135
1/2 Sam Adams $140
50liter Hacker Pschorr $150
1/2bbls hold roughly 120 servings of beer. Kinda silly to think you don't upgrade your beer choice from $71 Keystone Lite to the dozens of choices at $100 price point.
Figure 25 years ago, the spread wasn't $30, it was half that.
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I have the price sheet handy .. a smattering of today's prices:
1/2 bbl Miller Lite, MGD, High Life, etc - $99 .. 1/4bbl - $53
1/2 Old Milwaukee $85
1/2 Keystone Lite $71
1/2 Schlitz Gusto / Old Style $99
1/2 Sprecher $120
1/2 All Leinie's $135
1/2 Blue Moon $135
1/2 Sam Adams $140
50liter Hacker Pschorr $150
1/2bbls hold roughly 120 servings of beer. Kinda silly to think you don't upgrade your beer choice from $71 Keystone Lite to the dozens of choices at $100 price point.
Figure 25 years ago, the spread wasn't $30, it was half that.
Damn, that's brutal! In the 90's we did $35 1/2 barrels from the Pick and Save across the bridge before we discovered $30 1/2 barrels of Coors from Badger. Occasionally we could get kegs of good "expired beer" from Badger for cheap or even cases of "expired" beer for $5 and then sell the bottles for $3 each at our parties.
As for your final comment, pay the increase when 1) you're not drinking the beer and 2) it just cuts into the profit margin. We had to pay rent and utilities.
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I chuckle when you '90s and '00s pups are 'crying' about how much more beer costs on campus these days.
There's a reason why Juniors/Seniors smile when they're parents show up for an evening at Cafs!
Oh, and by the way, once your kids are of age, you'll be shocked at how much more a family vacation costs. :'(
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I have the price sheet handy .. a smattering of today's prices:
1/2 bbl Miller Lite, MGD, High Life, etc - $99 .. 1/4bbl - $53
1/2 Old Milwaukee $85
1/2 Keystone Lite $71
1/2 Schlitz Gusto / Old Style $99
1/2 Sprecher $120
1/2 All Leinie's $135
1/2 Blue Moon $135
1/2 Sam Adams $140
50liter Hacker Pschorr $150
1/2bbls hold roughly 120 servings of beer. Kinda silly to think you don't upgrade your beer choice from $71 Keystone Lite to the dozens of choices at $100 price point.
Figure 25 years ago, the spread wasn't $30, it was half that.
That's what I heard is served at the 'cheap' parties these days.
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As for your final comment, pay the increase when 1) you're not drinking the beer and 2) it just cuts into the profit margin. We had to pay rent and utilities.
Tell me more about house beer party economics. How many kegs .. how many people .. total profit.
What's the current cup at the door fee? $5?
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I chuckle when you '90s and '00s pups are 'crying' about how much more beer costs on campus these days.
There's a reason why Juniors/Seniors smile when they're parents show up for an evening at Cafs!
Oh, and by the way, once your kids are of age, you'll be shocked at how much more a family vacation costs. :'(
This is why I'm grooming my kids on craft IPA's... since discretionary funds are static, I figure getting them hooked on good beer is an easy way to halve their beer consumption in college.
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This is why I'm grooming my kids on craft IPA's... since discretionary funds are static, I figure getting them hooked on good beer is an easy way to halve their beer consumption in college.
But those craft IPAs will have a higher ABV than Keystone. Are you training for efficiency?
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Tell me more about house beer party economics. How many kegs .. how many people .. total profit.
What's the current cup at the door fee? $5?
We did $3/cup. One keg, cooler of punch with cheap rum and vodka for the co-eds, usually got around 150 in throughout the night. Usually cleared at least $250/party (not bad for campus town).
No crying about costs here, just stunned at keg costs. The costs of a pint certainly hasn't gone up 3X since my MU days.
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Tell me more about house beer party economics. How many kegs .. how many people .. total profit.
What's the current cup at the door fee? $5?
In the early 80's, 1/2 barrels of Pabst were about $22 each. We'd usually get three for a house party, and normally did not charge.
One time we were having our second party in a month, and charged a buck to buy a red solo cup at the door. I believe we made enough to get pizza for the house the next day...maybe $20 or so.
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I don't know how "recent" you are, but most of the kids I know from the classes of 13-16 are craft beer drinkers, even when they were students.
so chick, is there still a house party scene at MU? If so, what are the popular ones? Great weekend memories of Friday and Saturday's at The Library, Wet Spot, Asylum, Red Door, etc....
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so chick, is there still a house party scene at MU? If so, what are the popular ones? Great weekend memories of Friday and Saturday's at The Library, Wet Spot, Asylum, Red Door, etc....
Well, it's not like I am attending these things myself, but I do think the kids who are of legal drinking age (or have a decent fake ID) are more likely to hit the bars on Water Street than go to house parties. Also, the school has really cracked down on frat parties. I believe I heard that they are not allowed to serve alcohol in cups. Beer has to be in cans or bottles. That's due in part to the whole roofie thing as much as anything else.
I'm sure some of the youngsters like Chitown and Boxer can speak with more authority on this.
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How is reseating going this year for those who have already picked? Compared to last year, are you getting better, worse or about the same seat options?
Sorry if there is another reseating thread, I didn't see one.
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This is this week in where most get started.
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Wednesday afternoon here.
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Any one have plans on moving from where you were last year?
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Any one have plans on moving from where you were last year?
I was in upper level almost dead on to center court, row 3. I don't think I'll be able to get row 3 (I took that spot from someone who upgraded last year, so moved from row 5 to 3). So I might get cheaper seats (upper corner or baseline) and supplement with a mini package or single game tickets for a few key games where I want better seats.
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Any one have plans on moving from where you were last year?
I selected last week. Decided to move from upper level to lower level. I only looked in section 106. The first row of the two lower price points were pretty much taken, but I was able to get second row of the lowest price range. It's a fairly steep price increase from the upper level, but since we change seats every year, I figure I can always move back upstairs.
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Can anyone comment on Row 1 in 221 and 222.......does the plexiglass obstruct the view at all?
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Any one have plans on moving from where you were last year?
Thinking about going cheaper...not sure if I will be able to get the same seats as last year anyway. If not, probably go cheaper.
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I'll probably stick in the same seats in 225. For the price they were more than good enough.
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I picked last Friday and I had to move back one row from last year in order to stay close to the aisle. I'm in 108, pretty far down.
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I picked tonite and previously had section 108 row 9 on the aisle. I was told to keep aisle seats I had to move to row 20. I instead moved to section 109 row 11 and got aisle seats. What a great change.
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There seems to be a mass exodus from the lower middles to the cheaper corners. My rank moved up this year but I ended up having to move 8 rows back in section 108. If you’re willing to pay the price for lower middles it seems that your point total won’t be as big of a factor.
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There seems to be a mass exodus from the lower middles to the cheaper corners. My rank moved up this year but I ended up having to move 8 rows back in section 108. If you’re willing to pay the price for lower middles it seems that your point total won’t be as big of a factor.
That doesn't bode well for those of us that were in the corners.
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I picked tonite and previously had section 108 row 9 on the aisle. I was told to keep aisle seats I had to move to row 20. I instead moved to section 109 row 11 and got aisle seats. What a great change.
You would move up 11 rows just to get aisle seats? Unless you are mobility impaired, I don't get it (I know; wrong thread).
Last year we sat smack dab in the middle of the row. Not once did I ever have to get up out of my seat to let anyone by. People on the aisle are always having to do that. It's very disruptive and those folks tend to block your view of the game for an unreasonable length of time.
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Same seats as last year. Seemed to be about the same options as I had last year in the lowers (I did not check the uppers). Possibly a bit better options this year.
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You would move up 11 rows just to get aisle seats? Unless you are mobility impaired, I don't get it (I know; wrong thread).
Last year we sat smack dab in the middle of the row. Not once did I ever have to get up out of my seat to let anyone by. People on the aisle are always having to do that. It's very disruptive and those folks tend to block your view of the game for an unreasonable length of time.
Agreed, we're leaving the aisle this year.
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You would move up 11 rows just to get aisle seats? Unless you are mobility impaired, I don't get it (I know; wrong thread).
Last year we sat smack dab in the middle of the row. Not once did I ever have to get up out of my seat to let anyone by. People on the aisle are always having to do that. It's very disruptive and those folks tend to block your view of the game for an unreasonable length of time.
I always sit on the aisle..Yes, it's annoying having to let people out constantly, but...the reason I take aisle's are..I love the ability to be able to go get a soda or go to the bathroom during timeouts, and make it back before play resumes. And, most importantly, as soon as the game is over, I'm out of there..literally like a shot.
The sooner I'm out of my seat, the sooner I'm out of the arena, the sooner I'm to my car, the sooner I'm home...always in a hurry.
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What time do the finish re seating every day?? I mean, they don't make people go at like 9 PM I'd hope??
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I always sit on the aisle..Yes, it's annoying having to let people out constantly, but...the reason I take aisle's are..I love the ability to be able to go get a soda or go to the bathroom during timeouts, and make it back before play resumes. And, most importantly, as soon as the game is over, I'm out of there..literally like a shot.
The sooner I'm out of my seat, the sooner I'm out of the arena, the sooner I'm to my car, the sooner I'm home...always in a hurry.
You could always do what the folks next to us do and always leave with 5 minutes left in the game, no matter what the score is. They have missed some great basketball.
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You could always do what the folks next to us do and always leave with 5 minutes left in the game, no matter what the score is. They have missed some great basketball.
That's just it, I won't leave early, UNLESS it's a buy game and MU is shellacking them, then I have on occasion.
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You could always do what the folks next to us do and always leave with 5 minutes left in the game, no matter what the score is. They have missed some great basketball.
I was just going to comment on this... They seemed like nice people, but we were always having to let them pass with crazy amount of time left in the game.
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Has anyone tried to do this via mobile device? I have a softball game tomorrow 20 minutes after my time.
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Never mind, need a computer. Looks like I will hotspot from my phone.
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Never mind, need a computer. Looks like I will hotspot from my phone.
Bingo. Site says you cannot do it on a mobile device.
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Picked earlier today. Lower centers and behind MU bench are pretty much out.
Plenty of inventory in other sideline seats, even in first rows. The side sections seem to be hot.
That said, a user tip. The tool is a bit clunky as when you click on a section it only shows rows in that price tier that are open. That doesn't mean lower or higher tiers in that same section don't also have inventory...but it displays dark. So you have to zoom back out to refresh and then zoom in again to other tiers within your section (remembering each section has a good, better, best price tier).
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Can anyone comment on Row 1 in 221 and 222.......does the plexiglass obstruct the view at all?
The plexiglass does NOT obstruct. We were wary of that last year but have now moved to center court Row 1.
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"I don't like aisle seats" = "I'm cheap" or "I'm weird"
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Picked my seats this afternoon...moved from Row B Section 207 down to Section 104, about 7 rows from the top.
Could have moved lower but don't want the upward trek to get out....old age syndrome i guess.
MY knees would kill me walking out of the upper deck from the bottom. I will be about same distance but much easier on the knees.
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The plexiglass does NOT obstruct. We were wary of that last year but have now moved to center court Row 1.
Thank you sir.
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Picked my seats this afternoon...moved from Row B Section 207 down to Section 104, about 7 rows from the top.
Could have moved lower but don't want the upward trek to get out....old age syndrome i guess.
MY knees would kill me walking out of the upper deck from the bottom. I will be about same distance but much easier on the knees.
That was quite the price increase my man! ;D
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That was quite the price increase my man! ;D
LOL,This is the third time I have moved from upper center to downstairs.
Was curious if lowers were better than the center uppers...preferred the uppers.
But the new Forum their was less leg room in uppers and the walking up to get out was a pisser.
I have more money than cartilage i guess :)
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That was quite the price increase my man! ;D
What one might pay not to sit next to you? ;>)
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LOL,This is the third time I have moved from upper center to downstairs.
Was curious if lowers were better than the center uppers...preferred the uppers.
But the new Forum their was less leg room in uppers and the walking up to get out was a pisser.
I have more money than cartilage i guess :)
I agree with you about the uppers, I'm not a fan of the leg room. I have the same knee problem, and you're right, not a fan of the climb up to get out. :P
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Actually If I my son cant make a game, I'd gladly invite MUGURU to join me.
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What I do like are all the various price points that allow everyone to get something the like.
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Question about parking...I know we get emails eventually about buying parking for the season...but does anyone know what the costs were?? In any of the ramps, but more specifically the McKinley Street ramp(I THINK) that's the one with the skywalk??
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Actually If I my son cant make a game, I'd gladly invite MUGURU to join me.
:) Thanks man!
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I usually just take shuttles, Miss Katie’s diners, Mo’s etc.
I hate driving around looking for a spot, or Overpaying for the garage’s
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What I do like are all the various price points that allow everyone to get something the like.
Agree. With a lot more lower bowl inventory, MU is maximizing its value while giving choice flexibility to fans.
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After 19 seasons, we upgraded to a booth at Arby's and use their free wifi to stream the games.
Much cheaper, no phone tickets to scan, plus free parking.
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That was quite the price increase my man! ;D
What's money in something you love.
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I usually just take shuttles, Miss Katie’s diners, Mo’s etc.
I hate driving around looking for a spot, or Overpaying for the garage’s
I've thought about this...tell me more, how often do they run?? Are they quick to leave right after game's??
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After 19 seasons, we upgraded to a booth at Arby's and use their free wifi to stream the games.
Much cheaper, no phone tickets to scan, plus free parking.
Don't forget the free drink refills...
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Can someone tell me what is “Premium”?
My question is are 116/118/105/108 rows 9 and higher still considered premium seating?
Or are ALL seats in Sec 116-118 and 105-108 considered Premium?
I asked the ticket office via email but the answer wasn’t crystal clear.
Thank you in advance.
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The Premium seats are those leather seats. Those seats are in section 105-106-107, 116-117-118. Rows CCC to row 8.
Row 9 and above is NOT premium seating at Fiserv Forum.
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It appeared to be 3 price points in each section based on what row you pick.
Also a premium for aisle seats....I tried to get aisle on the mid court side but the were all sold out.
So I took the next 3 in.
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The Premium seats are those leather seats. Those seats are in section 105-106-107, 116-117-118. Rows CCC to row 8.
Row 9 and above is NOT premium seating at Fiserv Forum.
Ahhh ok, I guess i didnt understand the question correctly.
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Here is the map if that helps..
https://gomarquette.com/documents/2019/4/9//MUBB_201920_Season_Ticket_Map.pdf?id=10243
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The Premium seats are those leather seats. Those seats are in section 105-106-107, 116-117-118. Rows CCC to row 8.
Row 9 and above is NOT premium seating at Fiserv Forum.
Thank you
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Thank you
Anytime!
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It appeared to be 3 price points in each section based on what row you pick.
Also a premium for aisle seats....I tried to get aisle on the mid court side but the were all sold out.
So I took the next 3 in.
How did you know that though?? When you select seats that require a donation, you can't see specific seats I thought??
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I've thought about this...tell me more, how often do they run?? Are they quick to leave right after game's??
I have taken shuttles from Saz's, Steny's and O'Lydia's and all are about the same. Shuttles usually start an hour before the game and they will run the shuttles again as soon as one returns from dropping off a load of fans. After the games the shuttles will leave as soon as they are full and return until everyone is back. In the rare case that you missed the last returning shuttle many bars will send someone to pick you up if you call them.
We prefer O'Lydia's mainly because they are fairly close so shuttle times are quicker and for big games they have 2 shuttles they will run although sometimes Steny's will run a schoolbus for big games. Not a big fan of O'Lydia's menu though if that helps. We stopped using Saz's when they started charging for the shuttle and make reservations, there were times you couldn't get on the shuttle from Saz's because they were all soldout but I think I heard that changed.
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Can someone send me the link for the site?
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Can someone send me the link for the site?
https://marquetteportal.io-media.com/?camefrom=EMCL_2958319_141773701
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I've thought about this...tell me more, how often do they run?? Are they quick to leave right after game's??
We often used Miss Katie's. Wife likes the food & we're friends with the owners. The biggest drawback is on cold nights. They only have the one bus, so if you miss it you're waiting. We only did that at the BC, so I'm not sure if the Forum has a better setup, but I've found the shuttles are great for November, December, & March games when temps are in the 30s, but when it's cold, windy, & late, they lose a lot of appeal.
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We often used Miss Katie's. Wife likes the food & we're friends with the owners. The biggest drawback is on cold nights. They only have the one bus, so if you miss it you're waiting. We only did that at the BC, so I'm not sure if the Forum has a better setup, but I've found the shuttles are great for November, December, & March games when temps are in the 30s, but when it's cold, windy, & late, they lose a lot of appeal.
This is good info, thanks. It's getting increasingly harder to find good parking near Fiserv. I know this sounds strange, but I can still typically park where I would have for the BC, but now it's a bit of a further hike, ESPECIALLY with no entrance to Fiserv on the MATC side of the building. If they had an entrance there it wouldn't be so bad, but now basically having to walk all the way around and parking that far away, sucks.
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This is good info, thanks. It's getting increasingly harder to find good parking near Fiserv. I know this sounds strange, but I can still typically park where I would have for the BC, but now it's a bit of a further hike, ESPECIALLY with no entrance to Fiserv on the MATC side of the building. If they had an entrance there it wouldn't be so bad, but now basically having to walk all the way around and parking that far away, sucks.
Not sure if this helps, but...if you are coming from west (MATC), it may depend on how far north you are. If you walk east on Juneau from MATC, you can get into Fiserv by going into the new parking garage and crossing over on the walkway.
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This is good info, thanks.
Hmmm...
You would be one of the last people I would seek guidance from.
Hmmmm...
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Not sure if this helps, but...if you are coming from west (MATC), it may depend on how far north you are. If you walk east on Juneau from MATC, you can get into Fiserv by going into the new parking garage and crossing over on the walkway.
You don't even have to do that, you can go in the Johnson Controls entrance on 6th and Juneau.
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You don't even have to do that, you can go in the Johnson Controls entrance on 6th and Juneau.
Well, I prefer to park on the street, that's what makes it so hard.
For those of you that sit downstairs in the corners...doesn't the basket stantion blocking your view partially of the 3 point line on the wing, drive you nuts?? Or isn't it much of an issue??
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Well, I prefer to park on the street, that's what makes it so hard.
For those of you that sit downstairs in the corners...doesn't the basket stantion blocking your view partially of the 3 point line on the wing, drive you nuts?? Or isn't it much of an issue??
Not much of an issue. I was in 115 on the side nearest center court, but with transparent backboards your view is rarely obstructed. It might be worse on the other side of the section or the next section over, but I don't remember any time where it felt unreasonably annoying.
And FWIW I had a similar corner view at the BC and it did bother me regularly.
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Got my same 4 in the cheap upper corners.
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I could have had my same seats, but opted to go a little cheaper, move over two sections(no seat donation) and move down to row 1.
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I could have had my same seats, but opted to go a little cheaper, move over two sections(no seat donation) and move down to row 1.
I hope your Row 1 seat is fitted with the Mike Deane seat belt giveaway. Don't get too overexcited or else...
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Guessing I got the same seats, which would be really nice if so because I noticed a single sell in my row from last year, which is probably the guy that was next to us & insured an empty seat next to us for all but 2 games last year.
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Im sorry but can someone tell me why we can't truly pick our seats. Seeing that seat donations are not tax deductible anymore, the State tax stuff doesn't really matter. Even the annual reseating shouldn't matter. GO back to how we had it before, every 2 years and PICK your seats....UNLESS, its just MU's way to CONTROL it all... Can someone with KNOWLEDGE and not guessing please explain it to me and answer with the truth... THNX 8-)
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Im sorry but can someone tell me why we can't truly pick our seats. Seeing that seat donations are not tax deductible anymore, the State tax stuff doesn't really matter. Even the annual reseating shouldn't matter. GO back to how we had it before, every 2 years and PICK your seats....UNLESS, its just MU's way to CONTROL it all... Can someone with KNOWLEDGE and not guessing please explain it to me and answer with the truth... THNX 8-)
Its about sales tax. That’s why so much is designated as donation to limit the sales tax. I would just pay the tax as I’ve told the MU folks.
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Its about sales tax. That’s why so much is designated as donation to limit the sales tax. I would just pay the tax as I’ve told the MU folks.
When I go to the grocery store they don't give me my jar of mayo until a week from today. Then I get to see the brand and code date after I pay for it. I love Mystery Mayo and crappy government.
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Im sorry but can someone tell me why we can't truly pick our seats. Seeing that seat donations are not tax deductible anymore, the State tax stuff doesn't really matter. Even the annual reseating shouldn't matter. GO back to how we had it before, every 2 years and PICK your seats....UNLESS, its just MU's way to CONTROL it all... Can someone with KNOWLEDGE and not guessing please explain it to me and answer with the truth... THNX 8-)
Isn't this the last year we can't pick exact seats? I thought there was discussion of that changing back with the change in tax laws, but it would take time.
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Same section but moved up one row.
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When I go to the grocery store they don't give me my jar of mayo until a week from today. Then I get to see the brand and code date after I pay for it. I love Mystery Mayo and crappy government.
You shouldn't be buying mayo anyway! :P
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Is there any way to see availability after you made your pick? I picked yesterday, but want to see what's still out there to help a friend pick seats. I can't get back to the availability view after I picked by 4 seats.
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Is there any way to see availability after you made your pick? I picked yesterday, but want to see what's still out there to help a friend pick seats. I can't get back to the availability view after I picked by 4 seats.
I think they close you out. Skype or WebEx with your friend while they preview in their account.
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No—once your pick is in you are done.
However, if your friend hasn’t picked yet, you can use their account to preview what is still available.
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Friday is the last day of reseating. To me the major change from picking from last year, is the premium seats are almost gone this year.
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Friday is the last day of reseating. To me the major change from picking from last year, is the premium seats are almost gone this year.
Any idea how many non renewals there were this year??
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Any idea how many non renewals there were this year??
Down a bit. Nothing major or alarming. The main reason is some 80'ish year olds just had to call it quits. Hauser's was another reason.