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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: #UnleashSean on March 21, 2016, 12:53:56 PM
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Just cut my cable completely. Playstation just released nationwide their own tv provider. 30 dollars a month, no contracts, free cloud DVR. I get the entire fox sports selection, the entire ESPN selection, NBCSN, and about 70 other channels. Only problem is local channels can be sporadic. You either get all the local channels, or none depending on where you live. So could be an issue during football season.
You need a ps3, ps4, or an Amazon fire stick to run their version of tv. I'd also recommend an internet capable of 30mbps+.
So far it kicks the crap out of cable.
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So a FireStick in every TV would work?
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So a FireStick in every TV would work?
I'm not sure if you can stream to multiple Firesticks in the same house or not. I'd have to find out.
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From what I've read you can stream to 5 devices simultaneously. As long as they are all under the same IP. (Ie, same house)
Other news: You can pause and rewind on the fire sticks as well, however you can only rewind to the last 4 minutes. Im guessing this is due to the service being recorded onto the harddrive. Which a fire stick obviously lacks. Other news is if you have an iOS device. Ipad, Iphone.. you can stream via 4g.
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Whoa .. that's a pretty solid package.
Here's a thread on Sling vs. Vue.
http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Vue-Support/Slingtv-vs-Vue/td-p/45685292
PlayStation Vue is leaps and bounds better than Sling TV, in so many ways. Just to name a quick few:
1-2. PlayStation Vue has a DVR. Sling TV never had one.
3. PlayStation Vue allows to pause live TV for a few minutes, about 4 minutes on my Amazon Fire TV devices. And that's the ability to pause any channel. Sling TV only allows a pause of a few select channels, not ESPN, CNN or some other major ones.
4. PlayStation Vue has multiple profiles, not available with Sling TV.
5. Playstation Vue allows 5 simultaneous sreams with Fire TV devices. Sling TV only ever allows 1 stream.
6. PlayStation Vue has a robut VOD library of content available for no additional fee. Sling TV's VOD library is far less for things that don't cost extra.
7. Calculate the number of PlayStation Vue channels for the monthly fee versus Sling TV and the cost per channel with PlayStation Vue is far less.
8. Most channels' apps for smartphones work with PlayStation Vue credentials, not so with Sling TV. Only Watch ESPN works with Sling TV credentials.
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Might be looking at ditching the Dish for sure.
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What is a FireStick?
I'm assuming the PS3/4 has to be running in order to watch live TV? If so, is the PS3/4 really made to be running that much? Are you going to have to buy a new PS3/4 every year when they burn out due to overuse?
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What is a FireStick?
I'm assuming the PS3/4 has to be running in order to watch live TV? If so, is the PS3/4 really made to be running that much? Are you going to have to buy a new PS3/4 every year when they burn out due to overuse?
I have a Firestick, but haven't used it for this. Will look into that. It's an inexpensive device from Amazon that you can plug into your TV to allow access to Netflix, Amazon Prime Video and all sorts of other things. Similar to Apple TV. They say you can easily move it from TV to TV -- even taking to hotels with you -- but I haven't tried. It works great for what I wanted (i.e., Netflix). I'll be looking into using it like being discussed in this thread. I like UVerse, but it's gotten too damn expensive.
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Just cut my cable completely. Playstation just released nationwide their own tv provider. 30 dollars a month, no contracts, free cloud DVR. I get the entire fox sports selection, the entire ESPN selection, NBCSN, and about 70 other channels. Only problem is local channels can be sporadic. You either get all the local channels, or none depending on where you live. So could be an issue during football season.
You need a ps3, ps4, or an Amazon fire stick to run their version of tv. I'd also recommend an internet capable of 30mbps+.
So far it kicks the crap out of cable.
Just get an HD antenna for local.
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What is a FireStick?
I'm assuming the PS3/4 has to be running in order to watch live TV? If so, is the PS3/4 really made to be running that much? Are you going to have to buy a new PS3/4 every year when they burn out due to overuse?
A fire stick can watch live tv (Can only pause ~4 minutes) - Costs around $50
A PS3 lasts for years. Mines going at 5. Also functions as a blu-ray(Do not know pause timer) - Can be bought for $50-100
A PS4 can pause for at least 30 minutes. Is also a bluray, amazon video etc... $300-400
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Also take note of your internet. a 5mbps connection will not work. A 10mbps will stream one and will slow your internet down quite a bit.
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A fire stick can watch live tv (Can only pause ~4 minutes) - Costs around $50
A PS3 lasts for years. Mines going at 5. Also functions as a blu-ray(Do not know pause timer) - Can be bought for $50-100
A PS4 can pause for at least 30 minutes. Is also a bluray, amazon video etc... $300-400
PS3 also does netflix, amazon video, hbogo etc
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What is a FireStick?
Sorry misread your question.
A firestick is a usb from Amazon. It allows non Smart tv's to function as one. It allows access to Playstation Vue, Netflix, Amazon video, Twitch tv, etc.
It also comes in varieties that are controlled via hdmi if you do not have a usb port on your tv.
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Are you only using your wireless provider as your IP or when you say "cut my cable completely" are you only talking content vs. access?
Given your $/mo and download parameters I believe you are talking access through your wireless provider and content through VUE which would count us out as we need a bigger pipe. is that correct?
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Signed up for the free 7 day trial with my Fire TV (not the Fire Stick). Seems to work well. Had my local channels On Demand --EXCEPT for CBS. Chicago burbs.
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Are you only using your wireless provider as your IP or when you say "cut my cable completely" are you only talking content vs. access?
Given your $/mo and download parameters I believe you are talking access through your wireless provider and content through VUE which would count us out as we need a bigger pipe. is that correct?
Sorry im confused by how you stated your question.
What I did was kill off my cable. I still have internet through centurylink (1gbps OMG) but I cut them off as a cable provider.
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Sorry im confused by how you stated your question.
What I did was kill off my cable. I still have internet through centurylink (1gbps OMG) but I cut them off as a cable provider.
Sorry about the wording - that's exactly what i was looking at for.
So it boils down to if the content at $30/mo is better or worse than my Google Fiber content at $60/mo
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Can you use a Firestick without a Play Station? I was reading an article on Cnet and it sounded like you need a PS3 or PS4 before you can use a Firestick.
BTW they said you could use Chromecast the same as the Firestick.
The cloud DVR only keeps a recording for 28 days and they mention fast forwarding/rewinding is rather clunky on a Firestick.
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Can you use a Firestick without a Play Station? I was reading an article on Cnet and it sounded like you need a PS3 or PS4 before you can use a Firestick.
BTW they said you could use Chromecast the same as the Firestick.
The cloud DVR only keeps a recording for 28 days and they mention fast forwarding/rewinding is rather clunky on a Firestick.
From what I've read you don't need a ps3 or 4. Just a playstation account that you can make and sign up for Vue on their website. Note, I haven't tried yet. If someone has a Firestick could you try this out?
DVR's do keep recordings for 28 days at default. I've heard you can save some shows for longer, but have not yet tested. Rewinding on a firestick will only go back 4 minutes due to limited memory space.
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From what I've read you don't need a ps3 or 4. Just a playstation account that you can make and sign up for Vue on their website. Note, I haven't tried yet. If someone has a Firestick could you try this out?
DVR's do keep recordings for 28 days at default. I've heard you can save some shows for longer, but have not yet tested. Rewinding on a firestick will only go back 4 minutes due to limited memory space.
I don't have a PlayStation. Just signed up for a Sony account, signed up for a Vue free trial, then added the Vue app to my Fire TV.
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Sign up quickly. A few months ago they were contemplating shutting down as they only had 7,000 subs. Two good friends work there. I'm hoping they can pick it up. They've done a bit of a Hail Mary in the last month, hopefully it works.
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Any updates from Wally or anyone with PS/Vue?
My cable bill just went from $140 to $180, and the scissors are out.
PS/Vue seems pretty awesome.
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Just get an HD antenna for local.
I could be wrong, but I thought the problem with local channels had to do with Fox regional channels. IE, Instead of Fox sports WI you only get fox sports north or something like that. I also heard some areas allow all channels.
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Any updates from Wally or anyone with PS/Vue?
My cable bill just went from $140 to $180, and the scissors are out.
PS/Vue seems pretty awesome.
I love it so far, haven't had any blackout games (some people complained about this) The DVR is heads over heels better then anything cable can provide. I've had picture quality higher then what I get on cable most times.
The only cons: Fox, CBS, NBC still are not on VUE. Getting a digital antenna will fix this, but you have no DVR for those channels. WGN is also missing so I miss around 40% of cub games. CBSSPORTS is also not on, so if you like more select sports such as lacrosse, you may miss some games. (VUE does have ESPNU and FOX sports 2, so you still get all of those games)
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I could be wrong, but I thought the problem with local channels had to do with Fox regional channels. IE, Instead of Fox sports WI you only get fox sports north or something like that. I also heard some areas allow all channels.
Some areas do have fox, cbs, etc. I think Chicago is one of those areas.
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Some areas do have fox, cbs, etc. I think Chicago is one of those areas.
O & O markets only.
So some markets will have all, some will have some, some will have none. Affiliate markets won't have.
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O & O markets only.
So some markets will have all, some will have some, some will have none. Affiliate markets won't have.
Can you elaborate what that means? My dad is seriously considering getting it, we're in the Chiczgo market so would we get the local channels?
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Can you elaborate what that means? My dad is seriously considering getting it, we're in the Chiczgo market so would we get the local channels?
CBS owns and operates (O & O) their stations in certain markets. Same is true for Fox, NBC, ABC. The FCC limits how many can be owned and operated, however.
As a result there are many markets that the channel is owned by someone else like Sinclair, Hearst, etc, etc. Still CBS content, but owned by a different station group.
For Chicago, I think all 4 bigs are O & O, so he should be ok. The bigger question is whether Vue survives as they are struggling big time right now.
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Can you elaborate what that means? My dad is seriously considering getting it, we're in the Chiczgo market so would we get the local channels?
All you need to do is go here: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/network/vue/#1
It will tell you what channels are available for you
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Checked for you.
Chicago area comes with Fox, Abc, cbs, nbc. However your lowest price is $40 compared to the $30.
No doubt the deals with the regional channels bump the price.
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Checked for you.
Chicago area comes with Fox, Abc, cbs, nbc. However your lowest price is $40 compared to the $30.
No doubt the deals with the regional channels bump the price.
Still wayyy cheaper than the current DirecTV bill.
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Still wayyy cheaper than the current DirecTV bill.
Yup Charter called me earlier today asking if I wanted their amazing low price triple play package, cause everyone needs a home phone she said. Asked her how much it would be to have ESPN heard the number and said nooooooooooooooooooooooooope, got VUE, bye.
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Still wayyy cheaper than the current DirecTV bill.
Apples to oranges. You are getting different programming. If price is all you care about, then many options are not for you.
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Apples to oranges. You are getting different programming. If price is all you care about, then many options are not for you.
Actually what we are all so excited for VUE for is that we can get ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNNews, ESPN online, FOX sports 1, FOX sports 2, Regional Fox sports, CSN, CSN Plus, NBCSN, an unlimited DVR, unlimited "cable box's", and all the actual decent cable stations like tbs, amc, Nickelodeon, science, comedy central, tnt. All for 35 dollars.
I don't have to spend 65 (I don't know the actual prices*) on directTV to get ESPN because it's included with bullcrap channels like TLC or MTV that I will never watch. Then have to pay fee's for a dvr and cable box "rental" that uses outdated and slow equipment. All while being locked into a 2 year contract.
I pay 35 dollars a month for all the channels I want (Minus regionals like fox, but antenna gets me them for free) an unlimited dvr that I currently have 1000+ hours of shows that I can and WANT to watch.
I know you have a vested interest in DirectTV, but surely you can see that the outdated system of old tv providers is going down. Don't go down with it.
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Granted I might get 400+ channels with direct tv. But I'm only ever going to watch 20 of them. I don't care about the rest. I don't want to pay for teen mom 2 or dance moms, or whatever other crap they put on those channels like flip this house.
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Understand, and that's my point. You'll actually pay more per channel with Vue, and if variety doesn't matter, then you are better off doing that. of course you can also get "skinny" bundles from other carriers like Directv, Comcast, etc...everyone has them to one extent of another.
My point is, compare apples to apples. Things like 4K, HD, concurrency limits, ability to buy PPV fights, NFL Sunday Ticket, etc, etc. They are just totally different services and if price is your soul driver and a few channels, then the premium bigger service just isn't for you. Which is fine, many people make that decision. No different than a Hyundai will get you to work just like a Lexus or my used pick up truck. Different strokes for different folks.
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Understand, and that's my point. You'll actually pay more per channel with Vue, and if variety doesn't matter, then you are better off doing that. of course you can also get "skinny" bundles from other carriers like Directv, Comcast, etc...everyone has them to one extent of another.
My point is, compare apples to apples. Things like 4K, HD, concurrency limits, ability to buy PPV fights, NFL Sunday Ticket, etc, etc. They are just totally different services and if price is your soul driver and a few channels, then the premium bigger service just isn't for you. Which is fine, many people make that decision. No different than a Hyundai will get you to work just like a Lexus or my used pick up truck. Different strokes for different folks.
Yea, once we dropped HBO and sunday ticket the DirecTV packages became unnecessary. I loved both FWIW, but we didn't watch those things enough for it to be worth it.
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Aye, but it's a bit different if I want the Lexus I also need to buy the 2 ford explorers that are sitting in the lot. Also I get 4k bitrates from my VUE, I wasn't coming near that on directTV. Did they upgrade finally?
Also I, along with 99% of other people who played CS for actual money, hate the living crap out of Direct Tv for that fiasco they pulled back in 2005. Set the whole esports thing back by 6 years.
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Yea, once we dropped HBO and sunday ticket the DirecTV packages became unnecessary. I loved both FWIW, but we didn't watch those things enough for it to be worth it.
You can also get HBO straight up online now as well. They offer their own service.
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You can also get HBO straight up online now as well. They offer their own service.
Yup, I'm quite aware. I ran the HBO business (and sports, etc) for DIRECTV for many years. I have turned down two offers to work at HBO, including when they were going to launch HBO Now. I know the product intimately, including their main leads at MLB BAM, who created it because HBO's infrastructure was so horrible.
They have 800,000 subs right now, vastly under performing the market expectations. It will be interesting to see how they ultimately do. They're trying to compete with Netflix on price, but also not undercut their deals with the MVPDs at the same time. It's putting a lot of pressure on them as well as the MVPDs in that space. HBO needs a few winners soon, Vinyl has been a disappointment, True Detective 2 was a disaster. GOT is great, but only has a few years left. One thing they didn't think about with HBO Now is the the churn dynamic they are going through. People are signing up mid to late in a series, going for one month and binging everything and then cancelling. Not a good way to run a business and they're trying to fix that now.
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Question I had about directTV:
With the cable companies expanding their infrastructure in the last 15 years has direct TV lost a lot of business to them through competition? IE: When I was 9 we had dial up and Direct Tv, simply because no cable company was near for high speed internet/tv. We got time warner when I was 13. We dropped direct Tv. Has that been happening more now?
Also, did you all ever fix the issue of "If it rains bye bye tv"?
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Question I had about directTV:
With the cable companies expanding their infrastructure in the last 15 years has direct TV lost a lot of business to them through competition? IE: When I was 9 we had dial up and Direct Tv, simply because no cable company was near for high speed internet/tv. We got time warner when I was 13. We dropped direct Tv. Has that been happening more now?
Also, did you all ever stop the issue of "If it rains bye bye tv"?
Nope, DIRECTV is one of the few that kept on growing and adding subscribers. I read their earnings report just the other day they added another 320K net subs. It was a blast to be part of that engine for so long and kicking cable's ass for so long.
The rain fade thing was an issue early on, but with tighter controls in installation, etc, became much less of an issue. The FCC commissioned some studies and showed that DISH and DTV had far fewer outages than cable did which resulted in cable pulling back a lot of those nonsense claims. Don't get me wrong, if your dish wasn't set correctly and a bad storm came in, you could be down for a little while. But a properly peaked dish you should have very little trouble.
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Question I had about directTV:
With the cable companies expanding their infrastructure in the last 15 years has direct TV lost a lot of business to them through competition? IE: When I was 9 we had dial up and Direct Tv, simply because no cable company was near for high speed internet/tv. We got time warner when I was 13. We dropped direct Tv. Has that been happening more now?
Also, did you all ever fix the issue of "If it rains bye bye tv"?
This graphic does a decent job...you can see how cable lost subs each and every year, while satellite went up each and every year.
(http://static.diffen.com/uploadz/9/90/Cable-Satellite-subscribers.png)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-j6RLf9d8LHU/Ux95n18t0rI/AAAAAAAAC7E/bEicB3uE9J8/s1600/a+dtv+8.JPG)
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I found the below helpful .. not sure why they don't just list this on the PS Vue website:
$30 Access Slim (55+ channels) – ABC, FOX, NBC, AMC, Animal Planet, BET, Bravo, Cartoon Network, CMT, CNBC, CNN, Comedy Central, Destination America, Discovery, Discovery Family, Disney Channel, Disney Junior, Disney XD, DIY, E!, ESPN, ESPN 2, Esquire, Food, FOX Business, FOX News, Free Form, FS1, FS2, FX, FXX, HGTV, HLN, ID, MSNBC, MTV, MTV2, National Geographic, NBCSN, Nick Jr, Nickelodeon, Nicktoons, OWN, Oxygen, Pop, Science, Spike, Syfy, TBS, TLC, TNT, Travel, Tru TV, TV Land, USA, VH1, WE.
$35 Core Slim (70+ channels) – Includes all of Access PLUS: Be In Sports, Big Ten Network, Big Ten Network Alternate, CSN channels, ESPNEWS, ESPN U, Golf Channel, IFC, Sundance, Comcast Network and Turner Classic Movies.
$45 Elite (100+ channels) – Includes all of Access, Core PLUS: BET Gospel, BET Jams, BET Soul, Boomerang, Centric, Chiller, Cloo, CMT Music, CNBC World, Cooking Channel, Discovery Life Channel, Epix Hits, FOX College Sports Atlantic, FOX College Sports Central, FOX College Sports Pacific, FXM, LOGO, MTV Hits, Machinima, MTV Jams, mtvU, Nat Geo WILD, PALLADIA, Sprout, TeenNick, Universal, Velocity, VH1 Classic and others.
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I found the below helpful .. not sure why they don't just list this on the PS Vue website:
$30 Access Slim (55+ channels) – ABC, FOX, NBC, AMC, Animal Planet, BET, Bravo, Cartoon Network, CMT, CNBC, CNN, Comedy Central, Destination America, Discovery, Discovery Family, Disney Channel, Disney Junior, Disney XD, DIY, E!, ESPN, ESPN 2, Esquire, Food, FOX Business, FOX News, Free Form, FS1, FS2, FX, FXX, HGTV, HLN, ID, MSNBC, MTV, MTV2, National Geographic, NBCSN, Nick Jr, Nickelodeon, Nicktoons, OWN, Oxygen, Pop, Science, Spike, Syfy, TBS, TLC, TNT, Travel, Tru TV, TV Land, USA, VH1, WE.
$35 Core Slim (70+ channels) – Includes all of Access PLUS: Be In Sports, Big Ten Network, Big Ten Network Alternate, CSN channels, ESPNEWS, ESPN U, Golf Channel, IFC, Sundance, Comcast Network and Turner Classic Movies.
$45 Elite (100+ channels) – Includes all of Access, Core PLUS: BET Gospel, BET Jams, BET Soul, Boomerang, Centric, Chiller, Cloo, CMT Music, CNBC World, Cooking Channel, Discovery Life Channel, Epix Hits, FOX College Sports Atlantic, FOX College Sports Central, FOX College Sports Pacific, FXM, LOGO, MTV Hits, Machinima, MTV Jams, mtvU, Nat Geo WILD, PALLADIA, Sprout, TeenNick, Universal, Velocity, VH1 Classic and others.
No wonder why they only have a few thousand subs....a number of those channels aren't even properly named anymore. Sony really needs to get their act together. Palladia, for example, has been rebranded to MTV Live (which is a misnomer, but that's Viacom's issue). Be IN is actually BeIN, Big Ten Alternate isn't a channel...it's an overflow and cannot be counted as a channel, etc.
Going to be very interesting to see if they survive. They cut that absolute worst deals in the industry...just God awful how badly they overpaid for rights. They have very few subscribers. Many are surprised it hasn't already folded, but maybe they can make a run at it.
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I found the below helpful .. not sure why they don't just list this on the PS Vue website:
$30 Access Slim (55+ channels) – ABC, FOX, NBC,
These channels are just on demand with very limited amounts of shows. Not the full channels in most areas.
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No wonder why they only have a few thousand subs....a number of those channels aren't even properly named anymore.
Sorry .. that was taken from some blog .. so if they are named poorly, it's just some dude typing in what he thought the name was..
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These channels are just on demand with very limited amounts of shows. Not the full channels in most areas.
That's good to know .. I figured I'd need a Tivo to DVR the locals, yes?
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Also, did you all ever fix the issue of "If it rains bye bye tv"?
As a neutral party that currently has DirecTV (though seriously considering Vue) I can say that for the most part, the rain issue is no longer a factor. The average rain storm or clouds have zero impact on my television. Now if you get a massive storm, something where you expect Noah to roll down your street, then you will lose signal. I'd say in the past 2-1/2 years or so since getting DirecTV I've maybe had weather issues 3-4 times. It sucks, but it's not any more frequent than other issues that I had with my old TWC subscription (for whatever various reasons).
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I started the PS-Vue 7 day trial yesterday ..
While it is a cheaper solution, there are some downsides:
* Currently using Amazon Fire Stick which is extremely slow. It works, but every click of the remote has a 1-10 second delay, which is brutal. I have the Amazon Fire "box" arriving tomorrow, which is reportedly much faster. Tivo arriving too.
* The PS-vue interface is not great. So many clicks to get anywhere you want. "My Shows" is basically your DVR'd shows, plus any on-demand things you've favorited. True, the Amazon remote does not have many buttons, so I get it. Most of the pain is likely due to the remote-click lag.
* Start up time is long. Before, I could flip on the toob and be watching a particular show in < 30 seconds. Now it's more like 90+.
* On-demand stuff doesn't let you fast forward, no surprise but still horrible.
* I watched a DVR'd show and while it let me skip 10 seconds in the future (or more if you kept clicking the skip pad) it would NOT let me fast forward. The show was actively recording (and I was at the beginning), so maybe that was why. This is not good.
* I do very much like the concept of channel and show favorites, being DVR'd without a care as to how much space you are using. Just wish it wasn't 10 remote clicks and 45+ seconds to get something favorited. Wish they had a web page I could get to and do that in bulk. I assume that's just a steep start-up curve.
* There's a "signal strength" icon and I almost always get 5 bars, which I assume should mean a perfect stream. Regardless, it's obvious it's dropping frames here and there, at least on MSBNC.
* Do like that PS-Vue's credentials will let you use other channel apps. Example, I'm guessing my wife will use the HGTV app more than PS-Vue, as the interface is better and faster.
* End math .. Dropping $1100/yr for cable+dvr for $360/yr. Investing $400 in a Tivo lifetime and $100 in Amazon box. No doubt, fewer channels, worse interface, lower PQ. Will break even in under a year.
* Will call TWC .. "Oh, remember how you just jacked my bill $500/yr and hoped I wouldn't notice? I noticed, and now you lost that plus another $1,100 a year."
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What is a FireStick?
I'm assuming the PS3/4 has to be running in order to watch live TV? If so, is the PS3/4 really made to be running that much? Are you going to have to buy a new PS3/4 every year when they burn out due to overuse?
been using my PS3 to stream hours upon hours of Netflix and Prime Instant Video. Works just fine.
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I started the PS-Vue 7 day trial yesterday ..
While it is a cheaper solution, there are some downsides:
* Currently using Amazon Fire Stick which is extremely slow. It works, but every click of the remote has a 1-10 second delay, which is brutal. I have the Amazon Fire "box" arriving tomorrow, which is reportedly much faster. Tivo arriving too.
This most likely is a problem with the fire stick. Since its not much more then a flash drive with programs on it, the computing power is very slow. On the ps4 I have not encountered any delays like this. This should be fixed with the new fire box. Though I would have suggested buying a used ps3 as it has alot more power behind it, while being cheaper.
* The PS-vue interface is not great. So many clicks to get anywhere you want. "My Shows" is basically your DVR'd shows, plus any on-demand things you've favorited. True, the Amazon remote does not have many buttons, so I get it. Most of the pain is likely due to the remote-click lag.
This is probably because the menu is built around the ps4 controller which has around 18 buttons. With the controller I have found operating vue much smoother then traditional cable providers. Though the guide took getting used to. Another reason you should have grabbed a ps3 ;D
* Start up time is long. Before, I could flip on the toob and be watching a particular show in < 30 seconds. Now it's more like 90+.
* On-demand stuff doesn't let you fast forward, no surprise but still horrible.
* I watched a DVR'd show and while it let me skip 10 seconds in the future (or more if you kept clicking the skip pad) it would NOT let me fast forward. The show was actively recording (and I was at the beginning), so maybe that was why. This is not good.
Start up time on the ps4 is around 5 seconds. I'm guessing the fire stick doesn't have much ram, therefore cannot store Vue in its memory for instant load such as the ps4. Startup time should be improved with the box (I've never used it however)
On demand fast forwarding seems to be selective. Some stations I can fast forward while others I cannot, while even others seem to have a single 10 second commercial.
I have heard rewinding on the Stick can only be done for 10 seconds. Fast forwarding may be the same way. This is due to their being very limited storage on the sticks. Though I can't see why this would limit fast forwarding unless the stick needs to buffer each time you hit it. Maybe you are hitting the incorrect button? Their is a skip 10 second button on the playstation.
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The way I read the PS Vue website I thought one had to have a PS3 or PS4 before you can use any other device on aux. sets.
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The way I read the PS Vue website I thought one had to have a PS3 or PS4 before you can use any other device on aux. sets.
Nope. Just need one of the devices that runs the Vue.
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I'd considered a used PS3, but I'd read commentary that its PS-Vue performance wasn't great on it either. Naturally, the PS3 controller would have been better, although it's a little goofy to have a game controller as your TV remote. (Low wife acceptance factor)
I'll report back on the Firebox.
Had this occurred prior to last Christmas, I'd have opted to buy a PS4 instead of the Xbox One for the kids!
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Had this occurred prior to last Christmas, I'd have opted to buy a PS4 instead of the Xbox One for the kids!
Haha, but think of the wars between tv and video games.
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Nope. Just need one of the devices that runs the Vue.
The way I interpreted their crap website led me to think a PS3 or 4 had to be the primary device
I'd considered a used PS3, but I'd read commentary that its PS-Vue performance wasn't great on it either. Naturally, the PS3 controller would have been better, although it's a little goofy to have a game controller as your TV remote. (Low wife acceptance factor)
good point, my wife won't even use the (vastly superior) Genie remote with our Genie, won't give up her slow, clunky remote so we each have our own in the living room which is actually a plus since I never have to look for the Genie remote. I'm sure a controller would piss her off even if we could save $50/month on subscriber fees
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The way I interpreted their crap website led me to think a PS3 or 4 had to be the primary device
good point, my wife won't even use the (vastly superior) Genie remote with our Genie, won't give up her slow, clunky remote so we each have our own in the living room which is actually a plus since I never have to look for the Genie remote. I'm sure a controller would piss her off even if we could save $50/month on subscriber fees
Maybe she could be persuaded by the superiority of Bluetooth over IR. No more missed clicks
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Well crap. Got the Amazon Fire box today .. oddly won't work on my TV. Box isn't defective (tried it on another tv and it worked) .. chatted with support .. no dice, something goofy with the HDMI protocol and my LG tv.
Not sure what to do next, frankly.
I know you suggested getting a PS3 .. do you have one? Performance?
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Well crap. Got the Amazon Fire box today .. oddly won't work on my TV. Box isn't defective (tried it on another tv and it worked) .. chatted with support .. no dice, something goofy with the HDMI protocol and my LG tv.
Not sure what to do next, frankly.
I know you suggested getting a PS3 .. do you have one? Performance?
May as well just get a PS4 than a PS3
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May as well just get a PS4 than a PS3
No thanks .. took the Xbox One route 5 months ago .. do not need to drop another $350 on a PS4 when I .. don't want to use it as a gaming console.
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Whoa .. that's a pretty solid package.
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Well crap. Got the Amazon Fire box today .. oddly won't work on my TV. Box isn't defective (tried it on another tv and it worked) .. chatted with support .. no dice, something goofy with the HDMI protocol and my LG tv.
Not sure what to do next, frankly.
I know you suggested getting a PS3 .. do you have one? Performance?
I just moved out of my apartment since college ended. I have a ps3 somewhere in a box. Once I get everything setup I'll test it.
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The way I read the PS Vue website I thought one had to have a PS3 or PS4 before you can use any other device on aux. sets.
No longer the case....they were getting their arse kicked so bad they have gone to an open platform BYOD (Bring Your Own Device). Still don't think it will save them. They are taking on water massively right now.
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No longer the case....they were getting their arse kicked so bad they have gone to an open platform BYOD (Bring Your Own Device). Still don't think it will save them. They are taking on water massively right now.
SONY is a massive company it might be worth some months in red for the Vue to get people into their ecosystem.
Look how long it has taken Amazon to get any real margins. This is about the long game.
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SONY is a massive company it might be worth some months in red for the Vue to get people into their ecosystem.
Look how long it has taken Amazon to get any real margins. This is about the long game.
They are massive, but also haven't been run very well for a number of years. The studios, the hacking, etc. Their problem isn't the concept, it is the execution. They did terrible programming deals...the worst in the industry bar none. They can't get out from underneath them right now. They are in a bit of a hail mary mode right now. I hope it works, I have a few friends and former colleagues that are over there....lots of resumes floating around.
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Well crap. Got the Amazon Fire box today .. oddly won't work on my TV. Box isn't defective (tried it on another tv and it worked) .. chatted with support .. no dice, something goofy with the HDMI protocol and my LG tv.
Not sure what to do next, frankly.
Weird - that shouldn't happen. Does it have CEC or SimpleLink? If so, and it's possible, disable it.
And I know it sounds stupid, and shouldn't make a difference, but try reversing the HDMI cable. A couple internet reports that it has helped.
And finally, if Amazon didn't already walk you through this...Press the Up and Rewind buttons on your Amazon Fire TV remote at the same time for 5 seconds. The indicator light on your device then blinks yellow as the system cycles through available output resolutions, pausing at each resolution for 10 seconds. If you see the correct resolution, select Use Current Resolution.
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Weird - that shouldn't happen. Does it have CEC or SimpleLink? If so, and it's possible, disable it.
And I know it sounds stupid, and shouldn't make a difference, but try reversing the HDMI cable. A couple internet reports that it has helped.
It does have Simplelink .. I did briefly flip it, but I'll give that another look. Will also try reversing the cables ..never gave that a shot.
As for the Up/Rewind thing .. yep, tried that already. Even went through the hassle of plugging it in to the working TV, changing the resolution to 720/50, 720/60, 1080/50 then unplugging it and trying it again and again. No dice.
I did just buy a 3-way HDMI splitter to see if that'll jog it loose.
If none of that works, I'll need to hope one of my kids breaks the TV so I can get a new one.
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So .. I cut the cord yesterday. Can't wait to drop off the DVR box after work.
Some items from my saga-
My TWC bill was $140, and they jacked it to $180, the final straw.
I called to terminate all TV services, and they quoted me a $90 rate for 30/5 internet, or $70 for 20/5. Of course, the rates they give new customers are roughly half that.
So I called Earthlink, (who uses TWC's coax.) Got their 15/1 service for $30 (for 6 months, then $42).
As I was on the phone, they rebooted my cable modem and presto, I was now an Earthlink customer .. zero down time.
So .. I was paying $180 .. PSVue will be $30, Earthlink internet $30 = $60 (going up to $72 after 6 months.) I also bought a $400 Tivo (lifetime) .. so that should break even in 4 months.
I'd imagine that in 6 months, I could call TWC and tell them I'm a new customer and they'd give me some great promo rates. Rinse, repeat.
Suck it, TWC.*
* (Yes, I realize some of my Earthlink dough goes to TWC. :-\ )
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Good news for those that were holding back due to not having a ps4 or Mac devices.
Vue is now available on ruko devices and Android phones and tablets
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The Roku channel lit up yesterday.
Unfortunately, it's very much a beta version. Terrible user interface .. no guide .. DVR controls are odd or missing. No "start over" function. Very rushed -- which means Sony may be shooting themselves in the foot. Anyone trying the 7 day trial .. may be turned off.
The Android version .. won't be out until next week. We'll see how that one is ...
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I have the Roku 3 running both Sling TV and trial subscription to Playstation Vue. I much prefer finding a show to watch on the Sling TV over the Playstation Vue. I've tried watching a show on Vue only to get frustrated by the Vue interface. I switched to Sling TV to watch my shows. Sling TV just seems so much easier to locate the programs I want to watch.
I hope Playstation Vue gets it together soon because I like the ability to watch live TV on more than one device at a time but I don't know if I'll still be a subscriber by then. I would rather pay for 2 Sling TV subscriptions than deal with the clunker Playstation Vue is currently offering on the Roku.
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I hope Playstation Vue gets it together soon because I like the ability to watch live TV on more than one device at a time but I don't know if I'll still be a subscriber by then. I would rather pay for 2 Sling TV subscriptions than deal with the clunker Playstation Vue is currently offering on the Roku.
No doubt, DV. The PS-Vue Roku interface is version 1.0 crap. Clearly rushed to market without many features. PS-Vue's strong suit is the DVR functionality, and it barely functions in their Roku interface.
On the Amazon Fire and Fire Stick interface, it's pretty good. I would assume they will improve their Roku app to match.
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Just cut the cord today. I've had directv and Sunday ticket for awhile. I'm going to stream from the internet (mostly through reddit) and cast to my big screen using googlecast for sporting events and political news from now on. I'm late to the game but seems like cord cutting is becoming a movement among younger generations who feel like they are getting screwed with their monthly fees. I was paying around $130 per month during football season. Wonder what the implications will be when more and more younger generations cut the cord (or never have it). Maybe Chicos' ghost can answer. Hopefully lower satellite tv costs.
Also if anyone has recommendations for cord cutters on sites or devices...thanks in advance.
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#unleashwaldo, Are you still happy with Vue 6 months in? I'm between that and Sling.
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#unleashwaldo, Are you still happy with Vue 6 months in? I'm between that and Sling.
I've loved Playstation vue. It's delivered HD quality sports to my TV every night. Has had less downtime then any cable box I used. It may sometimes (rarely) get less then decent quality. But that's more of a fault on the cable company delivering the internet.
The only issue I had is when Csn and my Cubs were randomly without warning taken off my plan.
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Just cut the cord today. I've had directv and Sunday ticket for awhile. I'm going to stream from the internet (mostly through reddit) and cast to my big screen using googlecast for sporting events and political news from now on. I'm late to the game but seems like cord cutting is becoming a movement among younger generations who feel like they are getting screwed with their monthly fees. I was paying around $130 per month during football season. Wonder what the implications will be when more and more younger generations cut the cord (or never have it). Maybe Chicos' ghost can answer. Hopefully lower satellite tv costs.
Also if anyone has recommendations for cord cutters on sites or devices...thanks in advance.
How do you stream TV via Reddit?
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How do you stream TV via Reddit?
Methinks he is talking about parts of interweb, where your cousin's gardener, who's best friends, knows a lawyer, who knows this guy, who met a lady of the night, who introduced one of their customers, whhoooo might stream sports on the internet, then publish links on reddit.
But that's just a guess.
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I've loved Playstation vue. It's delivered HD quality sports to my TV every night. Has had less downtime then any cable box I used. It may sometimes (rarely) get less then decent quality. But that's more of a fault on the cable company delivering the internet.
The only issue I had is when Csn and my Cubs were randomly without warning taken off my plan.
Thanks for the feedback!
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correction to my latest update:
NFL network (thursday night games) comes as part of the Core package at no extra charge. NFL redzone is $40
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How do you stream TV via Reddit?
You stream mlb games from links posted on reddit/mlb streams (just google that). I then put it on my big screen via chromecast. Have an adblock ready.
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It seems I was wrong on one aspect. HBO and showtime have come to PSvue. However don't expect to get off lightly as the ULTRA package they come in will cost $65 a month. Or you could buy standalone HBO for $15/m
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Sad day today. Viacom networks will no longer be available on Vue. This means Comedy Central, Spike, and Nickelodeon are good bye.
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Yeah, that's a kick in the nuts for PSVue.
Since we cut the cord and have Vue .. I've found I am the only one to use it 99% of the time .. and it's only for one show. Although I suppose FS1/2 will have some MU games this season.
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Yeah, that's a kick in the nuts for PSVue.
Since we cut the cord and have Vue .. I've found I am the only one to use it 99% of the time .. and it's only for one show. Although I suppose FS1/2 will have some MU games this season.
People having a hard time adjusting or just dont like the interface?
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I'm switching soon. Kids will have no problem no matter the interface - although 95% of their tV viewing is either Netflix or YouTube. Don't know about my wife though. Is the interface pretty easy to navigate?
My plan is for Vue to go along with Netflix and HBO. I also have Prime, but I purchased that for the shipping benefits rather than the stream - although we watch quite a bit on it.
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Interface is the best I've ever used.... After I got used to it. At first it's a shock. But after adjusting you realize how much better it is.
Plus Bluetooth remote over IR. Never miss a command.
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Interface is the best I've ever used.... After I got used to it. At first it's a shock. But after adjusting you realize how much better it is.
Plus Bluetooth remote over IR. Never miss a command.
Cool. Thanks.
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I'll also add some review info, for anyone looking to use PS Vue.
I have the Roku 3, Amazon Fire Stick, and just got the Mi Box Android TV.
The Roku-PSVue interface is horrible. No guide, clunky, looks like version 1.0. Picture quality is good, though.
AFire Stick - Good interface, but really laggy. Every click takes a few seconds. PQ is just OK, but you can see some stuttering.
Mi Box - Just got this .. love it. $60 at Walmart. Same interface as the Amazon Fire, but the hardware is way better, faster, snappy. PQ is as good as Roku's. Android TV does a pretty good job all around.
.. So my vote goes for the Mi Box.
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Not particularly concerned about the channel losses - didn't really watch VH1/MTV/BET/CC, but happy about the addition of the BBC America channel.
I have both an Amazon Fire Stick and a regular latest generation Fire. The PSVue interface on the Stick is almost unusable. Trying to search for a program takes forever and the guide is slow to respond. On the regular Fire though, it navigates really smoothly.
I haven't tried it on a PS3, but I would imagine that it's pretty slow given the age of the hardware.
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AFire Stick - Good interface, but really laggy. Every click takes a few seconds. PQ is just OK, but you can see some stuttering.
Thought I'd update this. I just got one of the new Amazon Fire TV Sticks - with a beefier processor than the previous gen. It runs PS Vue flawlessly. It compares favorably to my first gen Fire TV Box.
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Thought I'd update this. I just got one of the new Amazon Fire TV Sticks - with a beefier processor than the previous gen. It runs PS Vue flawlessly. It compares favorably to my first gen Fire TV Box.
Good to know .. I've kinda retired the fire stick.
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Would love to hear any current thoughts. Think the Reinko household will be snipping the cord in the next month. Seems like Vue is still the leader of the pack, followed by Sling, then DirecTV now.
My only concern is the WiFi connection in the back of our house can be a bit spotty, may need to invest in a repeater to help boost the signal.
Also, anyone use a Chromecast with Vue? I imagine you just just the channel with your phone? Might be kind of annoying, I dunno.
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Can't speak to Vue.
But I did recently order a Fire Stick and it's outstanding
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Haven't tried Vue on Chromecast .. don't have it. I would think it'd be far better to use a Fire Stick/box or an Android box or Roku.
I have all 3 of those .. would say the $70 Mi Box is the best, followed by Fire box, then Roku.
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Would love to hear any current thoughts. Think the Reinko household will be snipping the cord in the next month. Seems like Vue is still the leader of the pack, followed by Sling, then DirecTV now.
My only concern is the WiFi connection in the back of our house can be a bit spotty, may need to invest in a repeater to help boost the signal.
Also, anyone use a Chromecast with Vue? I imagine you just just the channel with your phone? Might be kind of annoying, I dunno.
I just did that. Looked at Vue closely, but most of my TV watching is sports (my wife mostly watches NetFlix, Amazon Prime and HBO) and they did not have enough in that area.
Went with DirectTV instead. Will have everything I had with Time Warner / Spectrum - channel-wise and Internet - except home phone which I don't want anyway.
Cost will be about $90 less per month plus I will now have unlimited data on cell phones as well since I go through A T T. I made the decision after they guaranteed the price for the 2nd year as well.
I won't miss paying monthly premium for the modem, the two receivers and DVR. These are all free with DirectTV.
If it is not about sports for you, I would recommend Vue.
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We've been running sling (the oragne package) for a week or so. i really like it. our Sony tvs have the sling app included, but our new samsung doesn't, so need to get a roku for that tv, plus the 3 old ones in the basement (3 old tvs, lined up, ready for the tournament=baller.)
the kids like you tube through the tv. Prime works well too. have a digital antennae for the locals.
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Couple question on PS Vue.
For those with Roku, has interface improved? Anyone try on AppleTV?
Can you watch the NFL Fox games? I'm in Omaha and it doesn't look like we get CBS yet but we do get Fox so curious as to how that works.
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Couple question on PS Vue.
For those with Roku, has interface improved? Anyone try on AppleTV?
Can you watch the NFL Fox games? I'm in Omaha and it doesn't look like we get CBS yet but we do get Fox so curious as to how that works.
Me my brother and my dad all get CBS now. We live in way different places so I thought it was nationwide.
I cannot speak 100% on the topic as I did not have CBS at football time. But I have never been blacked out from anything so my assumption is it should be fine.
On topic for others: if you have a ps4 the multieview is amazing for those who's Internet can handle it. Going to make watching March madness amazing
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I threw the gauntlet down with Comcast, and they quoted me within $10/month of what it would have been with my internet + PS Vue, with no contract so I am sticking with them. Cable companies are getting smart that they just hike up the cost of internet only plans (in Boston $85 a month for just internet, even with my own modem), or making them tiered in some BS way like 5 MbPS ($55/month), 10 MbPS ($65), then 100 MbPS ($85).
From what I read, it seems like to have a stable connection, with at least two TV's you should have a minimum of 25MbPS download speed.
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I threw the gauntlet down with Comcast, and they quoted me within $10/month of what it would have been with my internet + PS Vue, with no contract so I am sticking with them. Cable companies are getting smart that they just hike up the cost of internet only plans (in Boston $85 a month for just internet, even with my own modem), or making them tiered in some BS way like 5 MbPS ($55/month), 10 MbPS ($65), then 100 MbPS ($85).
Screwing the customer is never smart. In reality, they are only screwing themselves, long term.
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Screwing the customer is never smart. In reality, they are only screwing themselves, long term.
+1, bummer Google Fiber went belly up
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From what I read, it seems like to have a stable connection, with at least two TV's you should have a minimum of 25MbPS download speed.
IT guy here ..
I have a 15/1 connection .. plenty for two HD streams. I've also had two kids on their phones on Youtube, plus a HD stream on the TV .. no problem.
Consumers are WAY oversold on bandwidth.
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IT guy here ..
I have a 15/1 connection .. plenty for two HD streams. I've also had two kids on their phones on Youtube, plus a HD stream on the TV .. no problem.
Consumers are WAY oversold on bandwidth.
Agreed. I'm on a 25 Mbps connection, and that's plenty for probably 4 -5 HD streams. The general consensus is about 5Mbps / HD stream. 4k is another story (probably 25 by itself), but I don't stream any 4k yet.
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I will add, I'm curious to see how Vue holds up during the tourney. I've had minimal hiccups with it this season, but I'm expecting the NCAAs to put extra stress on the system...especially since they've been advertising themselves as a way to watch all the games. Hopefully they planned well for processing and bandwidth!
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IT guy here ..
I have a 15/1 connection .. plenty for two HD streams. I've also had two kids on their phones on Youtube, plus a HD stream on the TV .. no problem.
Consumers are WAY oversold on bandwidth.
Good to know, thanks for the info.
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Some news:
CBS does stream the game in real time, no blackouts. There was a minor hiccup in which the 1st 15 minutes of game 1 of the ncaa tournament was blacked out, but it was fixed. So this doesnt tell me 100% that NFL will not be blacked out, but I doubt it.
In other news, Vue now has MLB network just in time.
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YouTube TV just launched. One item of interest is the addition of CBS Sports Network over PS Vue. We always have a couple games on there it seems.
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If YouTube TV can add some more channels, it'll be a force. Missing so many right now.
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YouTube TV has an amazing UI and a DVR service that topples even Vue's. It's addition of CSN can be big for cub fans if it can hold the rights nationally when it launches.
YouTube can be the best of the bunch very easily if it can manage to get hold of channels Vue has.
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If YouTube TV can add some more channels, it'll be a force. Missing so many right now.
Agreed it's missing a lot of "common" channels. But if your primary concern is Marquette Basketball (or Big East in general), then it's the best available!
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YouTube TV has an amazing UI and a DVR service that topples even Vue's. It's addition of CSN can be big for cub fans if it can hold the rights nationally when it launches.
YouTube can be the best of the bunch very easily if it can manage to get hold of channels Vue has.
Channels for those interested
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This seems to be good news about PSVue's future .. (price increase, notwithstanding.)
http://www.fiercecable.com/cable/sony-playstation-vue-signs-nctc-distribution-deal
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YouTube tv in Milwaukee doesn't appear to be available yet. Just tried, but I'm intrigued. Used the Vue last season and worked well except the CBS sports games.
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Curious .. any of you with PS-Vue .. having issues watching the NCAA games?
My streams are freezing every few minutes. Super annoying and unusual for PS-Vue, which for me has been pretty solid up until this week.
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Curious .. any of you with PS-Vue .. having issues watching the NCAA games?
My streams are freezing every few minutes. Super annoying and unusual for PS-Vue, which for me has been pretty solid up until this week.
Sorry Hilltopper, my PSVUE has been working great for the tournament games.
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Sorry Hilltopper, my PSVUE has been working great for the tournament games.
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Ever since Youtube added a Playback Speed option, I almost never watch any video at regular 1x speed, instead, flooding my eyeballs at 1.5x.
No such option exists on Vue's native player.
But .. I just found out that there's a Chrome extension called Video Speed Controller .. and it WORKS on PS Vue when watching via a browser. Just fire up your browser, start watching a show (not live) and hit D to speed the playback up. (S slows it down.)
Now you can binge watch stuff even faster.
Link: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/video-speed-controller/nffaoalbilbmmfgbnbgppjihopabppdk
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I'm getting tired of my $150/mo DirecTV bill, so I am finally going to streaming. I've held off because of some reported delays and the lack of local network affiliates in my area.
YouTubeTV looks awesome...but isn't yet available in my area. I like the channel lineup on DirecTV Now, but I've heard it's still buggy and doesn't yet have a DVR. So I'm thinking PS Vue. I don't have a streaming device yet, and it looks like a PS4 would be the best option...right?
Also, any thoughts on difference in performance between the PS4, PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro? I do NOT play video games, so I just want the best streaming performance and interface. Also, is there any streaming difference between a 500GB and 1TB model?
Sorry for the elementary questions...but most of what I have found so far assumes I'd want the PS for games too...
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I'm getting tired of my $150/mo DirecTV bill, so I am finally going to streaming. I've held off because of some reported delays and the lack of local network affiliates in my area.
YouTubeTV looks awesome...but isn't yet available in my area. I like the channel lineup on DirecTV Now, but I've heard it's still buggy and doesn't yet have a DVR. So I'm thinking PS Vue. I don't have a streaming device yet, and it looks like a PS4 would be the best option...right?
Also, any thoughts on difference in performance between the PS4, PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro? I do NOT play video games, so I just want the best streaming performance and interface. Also, is there any streaming difference between a 500GB and 1TB model?
Sorry for the elementary questions...but most of what I have found so far assumes I'd want the PS for games too...
Haven't used psvue in a while due to my living situation. But:
No difference in performance for the ps4s for ps Vue streaming. So slim is probably your best bet since it's low profile.
500gb to 1tb won't make a difference. Either way it'll save the last 30(?) minutes of your live broadcast (and any dvr stuff you save)
Also I used the ruko to stream ps Vue at another house for a bit, while it was a bit of a pain because the ps version is much more slick (and navigating with controller is amazing) it was doable. Though not being able to rewind was bad.
You can look into the roku box. It will have a performance more like the ps4.
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Agree .. unless you want to really own a PS4 and start playing video games, save your money.
A $50 Roku or Amazon Fire will stream fine for PS-Vue. I suppose the "Stick" versions of these are a little less powerful than their $80 "box" brothers, so go for that.
It's funny .. I watch most content on my laptop now .. and that's after I bought a brand new TV a month ago. I can't help the desire to want to speed up all videos now.
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I'm getting tired of my $150/mo DirecTV bill, so I am finally going to streaming. I've held off because of some reported delays and the lack of local network affiliates in my area.
YouTubeTV looks awesome...but isn't yet available in my area. I like the channel lineup on DirecTV Now, but I've heard it's still buggy and doesn't yet have a DVR. So I'm thinking PS Vue. I don't have a streaming device yet, and it looks like a PS4 would be the best option...right?
Also, any thoughts on difference in performance between the PS4, PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro? I do NOT play video games, so I just want the best streaming performance and interface. Also, is there any streaming difference between a 500GB and 1TB model?
Sorry for the elementary questions...but most of what I have found so far assumes I'd want the PS for games too...
DirectTV Now has DVR in beta for some users and is supposedly rolling it out to everyone soon. I've been biding my time for a while now waiting for the right option after RCN raised my bill by 50% over 8 months. It'll likely be DTV Now once DVR comes out.
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I currently have both PS Vue and DTV Now on Fire TV 4k (2 tv's). I have had PSVue for over a year now and really like it. The DVR works well and the "Live" tv search works well too. The guide is pretty bad but you don't use it often. I have DTV Now as AT&T unlimited customers get a $25 credit each month (or did) so I signed up right away as I thought they more lower it. It is a little less reliable in that the streams buffer a touch more than PSVue but it's not too bad. PSVue is also about 1 min. delayed from broadcast tv. So if you're watching sports stay off twitter. This also helps them have better stream quality as it buffers better. DTV Now is usually only about 15 seconds behind live OTA.
Once DTV Now DVR comes out to the masses I'll switch exclusively to it. I guess the DVR rebuild has also included a full overhaul of how they deliver streams and their quality too. It's essentially a full rebuild.
For my internet I have AT&T Fiber 100. It more than powers my house. I also use a VPN once in a while so I can use Terrarium TV without big brother watching.
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I currently have both PS Vue and DTV Now on Fire TV 4k (2 tv's). I have had PSVue for over a year now and really like it. The DVR works well and the "Live" tv search works well too. The guide is pretty bad but you don't use it often. I have DTV Now as AT&T unlimited customers get a $25 credit each month (or did) so I signed up right away as I thought they more lower it. It is a little less reliable in that the streams buffer a touch more than PSVue but it's not too bad. PSVue is also about 1 min. delayed from broadcast tv. So if you're watching sports stay off twitter. This also helps them have better stream quality as it buffers better. DTV Now is usually only about 15 seconds behind live OTA.
Once DTV Now DVR comes out to the masses I'll switch exclusively to it. I guess the DVR rebuild has also included a full overhaul of how they deliver streams and their quality too. It's essentially a full rebuild.
For my internet I have AT&T Fiber 100. It more than powers my house. I also use a VPN once in a while so I can use Terrarium TV without big brother watching.
I've never heard of someone using 2 at a time before. You know that you can have 1 account and stream to multiple devices at a time right?
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I've never heard of someone using 2 at a time before. You know that you can have 1 account and stream to multiple devices at a time right?
I do.
Long term will drop vue but not before DTN has a DVR - wife and I hectic schedules and want our entertainment on our schedules. For why I have signed up for DTN when I did is I didn't want AT&T to drop the $25 mo credit offer - which they eventually did. Now you only get a $15 credit.
https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/directv-now-reduces-discount-att-unlimited-customers/ (https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/directv-now-reduces-discount-att-unlimited-customers/)
I only have the lowest DTN account so it costs me $10 / mo.
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Thanks for all the feedback. I've decided to give DTVNow a shot, as they have a special where I'd get a free AppleTV 4K if I prepay 3 months. Sounds like DTVNow isn't quite as good as PSVue right now, but I'm hopeful that the upgrades they're working on will have it up to par by hoops season. Not a huge issue yet, as I don't watch too much TV during the summer anyway. If it isn't ready by November, it'll be easy enough to switch....
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Thanks for all the feedback. I've decided to give DTVNow a shot, as they have a special where I'd get a free AppleTV 4K if I prepay 3 months. Sounds like DTVNow isn't quite as good as PSVue right now, but I'm hopeful that the upgrades they're working on will have it up to par by hoops season. Not a huge issue yet, as I don't watch too much TV during the summer anyway. If it isn't ready by November, it'll be easy enough to switch....
That is the best part. Not having any contracts is great.
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That is the best part. Not having any contracts is great.
Indeed, great .. I suppose this gives them a competitive advantage .. once they reach a decent market share, I would expect them to start requiring contracts.
Because of course.
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Damnit .. so PS Vue is #1 in customer satisfaction .. but not doing well with revenue in an industry that's losing money .. >:(
90% of their problem is their stupid name: Playstation Vue.
Hey, dummies, you know what a crapton of your potential customers think? They think you need a PS4 to use it.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Sony-Says-the-Future-of-Playstation-Vue-is-Uncertain-141898
A new survey (pdf) by the American Consumer Satisfaction Index indicates that Sony's Playstation Vue streaming service is tied for first place in customer satisfaction (tying Netflix and Twitch). But this week Sony gave hints that the service may not be around forever. Speaking at the company's Investor Relations and Corporate Strategy meetings in Tokyo, Japan this week, the company stated that the service isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but that the "market and future business model (for PlayStation Vue) remains uncertain."
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Numerous analysts have made note of the fact that the service, despite being popular with cord cutters (check out our 2016 review), has yet to pass 1 million subscribers despite three years on the market.
In contrast, services like Dish's Sling TV had 2.2 million subscribers as of February 2018. And AT&T's DirecTV Now streaming service hit the 1.4 million subscriber mark back in April.
There's also the fact that given the high costs of licensing content, streaming services simply aren't all that profitable. Estimates recently indicated that Google is losing $60 million a year at that service's $40 price point, just so Google can try and grab market share.
Still, Sony executives made it clear that they hope to continue doing battle with industry giants on the advertising front.
“The data mega players (such as Google, Amazon, and Facebook) are so powerful they are capable of doing all kinds of things," Sony’s CEO Kenichiro Yoshida said at the event. Yoshida stated Sony's overall survival depends on the "extent to which we can take control of data and AI."
Sony's full presentation can be found here (pdf) for those interested.
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90% of their problem is their stupid name: Playstation Vue.
Yep. Anytime I mention it, they're like, "Oh, I don't have a Playstation."
The other thing that gets people interested is the selective blocking of commercials. I'm not sure what criteria is used when that happens. But it sure is nice when it does.
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Yep. Anytime I mention it, they're like, "Oh, I don't have a Playstation."
The other thing that gets people interested is the selective blocking of commercials. I'm not sure what criteria is used when that happens. But it sure is nice when it does.
That has to do what advertiser paid for. If the advertiser in question did not pay for streaming they will get blocked. No one gets a free ride. What is nice though, as an advertiser, is that we can now target individual people instead of targeting shows.
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I currently have both PS Vue and DTV Now on Fire TV 4k (2 tv's). I have had PSVue for over a year now and really like it. The DVR works well and the "Live" tv search works well too. The guide is pretty bad but you don't use it often. I have DTV Now as AT&T unlimited customers get a $25 credit each month (or did) so I signed up right away as I thought they more lower it. It is a little less reliable in that the streams buffer a touch more than PSVue but it's not too bad. PSVue is also about 1 min. delayed from broadcast tv. So if you're watching sports stay off twitter. This also helps them have better stream quality as it buffers better. DTV Now is usually only about 15 seconds behind live OTA.
Once DTV Now DVR comes out to the masses I'll switch exclusively to it. I guess the DVR rebuild has also included a full overhaul of how they deliver streams and their quality too. It's essentially a full rebuild.
For my internet I have AT&T Fiber 100. It more than powers my house. I also use a VPN once in a while so I can use Terrarium TV without big brother watching.
Do you have any recommendations on which one to use?
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Damnit .. PSVue raising their rates again.
What started at $360 a year is now $540. And of course this isn't the end. Eventually, it'll all be just as high as cable was.
Flibberdygibbets.
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Damnit .. PSVue raising their rates again.
What started at $360 a year is now $540. And of course this isn't the end. Eventually, it'll all be just as high as cable was.
Flibberdygibbets.
Still havent readded viacom channels, looks like I'm bouncing out now. I was just tolerating their last increase, but now its really not worth it.
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Damnit .. PSVue raising their rates again.
What started at $360 a year is now $540. And of course this isn't the end. Eventually, it'll all be just as high as cable was.
Flibberdygibbets.
i'm paying $100/month just to keep my direct tv on hold down in arizona. otherwise its $260/month. when i go back down to re-open the place this fall, all i will need is internet-i will gladly pay the $50/month on an as needed basis for vue, youtube, or whatever is reliable. i don't need dvr capability etc etc, just the golf channel, fox sports 1 for MU games and the local abc, cbs, nbc for football plus everyone's favorite here-foxnews ;)
yes, when i first heardabout psvue, i thought, damn, i got rid of the kids playstation years ago
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Has anyone experienced moving challenges with PSVue?
I recently moved to WI and I keep getting this error telling me that I need to contact support beccause I moved. When I called support the guy basically told me there was nothing they could do to help me but that they also couldnt refund me. So basically, paying for TV but not getting it. He kept telling me that they had a team of people working on it for the past month and couldnt provide a timeline as to when the issue would be resolved.
Only thing I could think of was to cancel service and restart it, but if I am not going to get my money back from the rest of this month when I cancel, I don't really feel like sticking with them.
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Has anyone experienced moving challenges with PSVue?
I recently moved to WI and I keep getting this error telling me that I need to contact support beccause I moved. When I called support the guy basically told me there was nothing they could do to help me but that they also couldnt refund me. So basically, paying for TV but not getting it. He kept telling me that they had a team of people working on it for the past month and couldnt provide a timeline as to when the issue would be resolved.
Only thing I could think of was to cancel service and restart it, but if I am not going to get my money back from the rest of this month when I cancel, I don't really feel like sticking with them.
good thing they didn't tell you that your playstation is out of date, eyn'a?
on another note, my most recent research seems to indicate that hulu live might be the way to go. first thing i'm doing when i get to my place in surprise is firing cox cable and changing to centurylink getting the same or better strength for $30/mo. less. i will be reducing my tv & internet from $260/mo to about $125/mo-WINNING!
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Has anyone experienced moving challenges with PSVue?
I recently moved to WI and I keep getting this error telling me that I need to contact support beccause I moved. When I called support the guy basically told me there was nothing they could do to help me but that they also couldnt refund me. So basically, paying for TV but not getting it. He kept telling me that they had a team of people working on it for the past month and couldnt provide a timeline as to when the issue would be resolved.
Only thing I could think of was to cancel service and restart it, but if I am not going to get my money back from the rest of this month when I cancel, I don't really feel like sticking with them.
Moved yesterday and didn't need to do anything vue just worked.
Prior moves I had to change zip codes in the Playstation but was always prompted so not sure what's going on there. Contact support again there's no reason they can't give a refund. That guy was probably stupid or a dick so just try again with another person.
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Dangit .. just got an email from PS Vue .. it's being shut down, January 30, 2020.
Well, it was good while it lasted. What's next..
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Dangit .. just got an email from PS Vue .. it's being shut down, January 30, 2020.
Well, it was good while it lasted. What's next..
YouTube TV and Hulu live are both superior in my opinion.
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Been pretty happy with hulu since we ditched sling over the fox sports conflict.
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Dangit .. just got an email from PS Vue .. it's being shut down, January 30, 2020.
Well, it was good while it lasted. What's next..
Told you last year...
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Told you last year...
Yeah, I was hoping against hope.
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Told you last year...
Did you post it, or was it Warrior Dad?
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Did you post it, or was it Warrior Dad?
I posted it under Billy Hoyle and Pakuni
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Does Hulu have Fox Sports?
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Does Hulu have Fox Sports?
Use www.suppose.tv/tv/ to find your optimal cutting options.
I thankfully still have my grandfathered in DirecTV Now account with it's big discount. Nothing has had the channel packages that it offered to lure me away. Not that I like sticking with it but no one else has all the channels.
In the end it wasn't the content costs that I hated with traditional providers it was all the fee's (box rental, dvr, remote, blah, blah) which drove me away.
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Does Hulu have Fox Sports?
FS1, 2 and Wisconsin.
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I'm a bit of a sports junkie, especially futbol. I do Fubo TV as my streaming app.
The only negative so far is that it doesn't include ABC/ESPN so I'm not able to watch MNF, which I really only care about when the Packers play.