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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 13, 2016, 08:53:50 PM
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1. What an ugly game.
2. Free throws.
3. Transition defense.
4. Good looks, no consistent makes.
5. Luke looked groggy all night. I admire how he gutted it out.
6. It felt like Marquette was just hanging on for dear life all might. Never felt like there was a flow.
7. Would a zone have slowed Watson down?
8. I have a theory that the first team that stands still on offense loses. Tonight, Marquette stood around first and most.
9. Too many missed opportunities.
10. Inability to stop Watson. Ballgame.
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I havent understood what Wilson has been doing the last couple games. Regardless of that last heave at the end of the game, it just boggles my mind some of the shots he takes. He makes some crazy layups, but for the most part its nuts.
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Barring winning the Big East Tournament, we're out of the NCAAs. I miss dancing.
Meanwhile, 60 miles west, they knocked off #2 on the road.
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zone would have led to more wide open 3's. When we had a hand up on the 3 they missed badly. That last one was the worst as we were out of sync.
Wojo should have called TO when they came out in man out of timeout to get a better set drawn up
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Tough loss. Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory. On to the next game. Have to take them one at a time. this league is a bear so we still have a chance.
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Tough loss. Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory. On to the next game. Have to take them one at a time. this league is a bear so we still have a chance.
A chance just by the word. Itll take a miracle to get wins racked up. The team loses more than it wins games...
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Wojo called a timeout with a lead and maybe 90 seconds left. The BC was rocking and it took the life out. We squandered the chance and couldn't get a decent shot. Creighton came down and scored and it was over.
That timeout made no sense and really felt awkward. Terrible coaching decision.
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Tough loss. Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory. On to the next game. Have to take them one at a time. this league is a bear so we still have a chance.
a chance at what exactly?
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Wojo called a timeout with a lead and maybe 90 seconds left. The BC was rocking and it took the life out. We squandered the chance and couldn't get a decent shot. Creighton came down and scored and it was over.
That timeout made no sense and really felt awkward. Terrible coaching decision.
Yes. I said so at the time. Absolutely no reason to call it and Creighton used it to change up their defense.
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a chance at what exactly?
The NIT? Probably can't lose more than one game to have a shot at the NIT. Beyond that, maybe the CBI or new Vegas tournament?
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That was hideous. MU played terrible. Creighton outside of Watson played terrible. Embarrassing showing in a must win game. The glimmer of hope is now gone. BET champs or its over. Boys gotta show up better, but that's what you get with a young team. Very disappointing.
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Wojo called a timeout with a lead and maybe 90 seconds left. The BC was rocking and it took the life out. We squandered the chance and couldn't get a decent shot. Creighton came down and scored and it was over.
That timeout made no sense and really felt awkward. Terrible coaching decision.
So, are you calling for Wojo's head?
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So, are you calling for Wojo's head?
Of course not. But coaching killed us in the final minute. Our coach has just as much learning to do as our players.
I may be frustrated, but I'm patient.
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So, are you calling for Wojo's head?
so criticizing a coach for in-game decision making means you want him fired?
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Barring winning the Big East Tournament, we're out of the NCAAs. I miss dancing.
Meanwhile, 60 miles west, they knocked off #2 on the road.
The fact that they keep improving at a faster rate with young players as well as a rookie coach is all that needs to be said
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Tough loss. Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory. On to the next game. Have to take them one at a time. this league is a bear so we still have a chance.
A chance? The only way this team gets to the NCAA is by winning the BET. They could win out, get to the BET championship game and lose it, and still wouldn't make the NCAA.
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The fact that they keep improving at a faster rate with young players as well as a rookie coach is all that needs to be said
the badgers have 2 juniors from a final four team. besides this is a mu board, who gives a crap about how the badgers are doing.
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The fact that they keep improving at a faster rate with young players as well as a rookie coach is all that needs to be said
They have more experience than MU does. They underperformed badly under Bo.
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A chance? The only way this team gets to the NCAA is by winning the BET. They could win out, get to the BET championship game and lose it, and still wouldn't make the NCAA.
Doubt that, but that's simply not going to happen.
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I really had a hard time watching this game and team,sick of hearing how young we are. We
got burned over and over after a made basket, and can't stop a midget from lay-ups. Out of
position time after time,no help D.
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The fact that they keep improving at a faster rate with young players as well as a rookie coach is all that needs to be said
Nate, how many years has Gard been coaching? Coaching basketball? So when you say that's "all that needs to be said", you actually aren't saying enough.
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They have more experience than MU does. They underperformed badly under Bo.
They have no seniors and have huge contributions in sophmore brown and freshman happ
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Next game. They had a chance to put it in OT and couldn't. Creighton is a good team.
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They have more experience than MU does. They underperformed badly under Bo.
Apparently Bo was thinking of Tara so much he couldn't get his guys UP for games this year.
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They have no seniors and have huge contributions in sophmore brown and freshman happ
They have two juniors who contributed on a Final Four team.
And really I don't care. Have no clue why brew brought it up in the first place.
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They have two juniors who contributed on a Final Four team.
And really I don't care. Have no clue why brew brought it up in the first place.
The worst part is that everyone in milwaukee area forgot we won against them
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The worst part is that everyone in milwaukee area forgot we won against them
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Concern yourself about Marquette. Not Madison.
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They have no seniors and have huge contributions in sophmore brown and freshman happ
Oh really?
First off, they do have a senior.
Second, they have SIX redshirt players on their team. SIX. Including Happ.
Third, they start Redshirt Junior, Junior, Junior, Junior, and Redshirt Freshman
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The worst part is that everyone in milwaukee area forgot we won against them
You certainly have
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You certainly have
i have forgot. We have best recruit since Wade and cant get it done.
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Wojo called a timeout with a lead and maybe 90 seconds left. The BC was rocking and it took the life out. We squandered the chance and couldn't get a decent shot. Creighton came down and scored and it was over.
That timeout made no sense and really felt awkward. Terrible coaching decision.
I loved that time out. Seemed like the players walked through the play and had to heave a shot.
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i have forgot. We have best recruit since Wade and cant get it done.
Go away. No one here cares about the Badgers.
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so criticizing a coach for in-game decision making means you want him fired?
Only when combined with stating that he is misusing his players because he doesn't understands and/or ignores basketball statistics.
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Ugly finish - we needed this one - they need to finish strong to make the NIT.....
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They have two juniors who contributed on a Final Four team.
And really I don't care. Have no clue why brew brought it up in the first place.
Because the only CBB discussion I hear regularly involves us or them. And this year, when it should finally be turning towards us, it's still them. I know we're rebuilding, but watching an interim coach rebuild faster and better than we are the past 2 months has been irritating.
Another irritation for me tonight was the post game. All I heard Wojo talk about was the players needing to be better, stick to the game plan, be tougher...same old crap with no ownership that HE, not the players, cost us that game. I'm okay with people screwing up. Tonight was on Wojo. Take ownership.
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Won three of the four Oliver factors. Lost on...turnovers....again.
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Awful loss.
Totally brought it upon ourselves.
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Because the only CBB discussion I hear regularly involves us or them.
??? You mixing up Scoop with IWB's "get off my lawn" site again? UW is hardly talked about here.
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A chance? The only way this team gets to the NCAA is by winning the BET. They could win out, get to the BET championship game and lose it, and still wouldn't make the NCAA.
I disagree with your analysis. There are still lots of paths to the tournament. If we won out we would flat out be in the tournament no matter what we did in the BET. If we win 4 out of 5 and win a couple in the BET tournament we can still get in.
Have to take it one game at a time. We can still do it.
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??? You mixing up Scoop with IWB's "get off my lawn" site again? UW is hardly talked about here.
Neither. Real world.
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I was surprised by the fact that Wojo didn't call for team to commit a foul after the missed free throws with 37 or so seconds remaining and MU down by 2. By not doing so, it allowed Creighton to take as much time as they wanted to extend the lead. And, subsequently, MU had only 7 seconds to, at best, tie the game. Questionable choice, in my mind.
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I disagree with your analysis. There are still lots of paths to the tournament. If we won out we would flat out be in the tournament no matter what we did in the BET. If we win 4 out of 5 and win a couple in the BET tournament we can still get in.
Have to take it one game at a time. We can still do it.
OK in looking at RPI wizard, I see two chances.
1. Winning the BET.
2. Winning out, then beating De Paul, Nova and Seton Hall while losing the BET championship game to Xavier. That gets us a projected RPI of 64 according to RPI Wizard and an outside shot at an at large.
Anything short of that and it is simply not possible. For instance, winning out and losing to Seton Hall in the semis in the above scenario leaves us with a RPI of 72.
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OK in looking at RPI wizard, I see two chances.
1. Winning the BET.
2. Winning out, then beating De Paul, Nova and Seton Hall while losing the BET championship game to Xavier. That gets us a projected RPI of 64 according to RPI Wizard and an outside shot at an at large.
Anything short of that and it is simply not possible. For instance, winning out and losing to Seton Hall in the semis in the above scenario leaves us with a RPI of 72.
Well at least you agree that we still have some chances. I actually think if we win out, that will give us so many quality wins that it would be hard for committee to turn us out. Remember, they look at much more than RPI.
Probability of these scenarios is low obviously, but hope springs eternal.
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i have forgot. We have best recruit since Wade and cant get it done.
I'm sorry you bought into the hype that he was the 4th best high schooler in the country. He is good, but not that level good. He is also a big and they take longer to develop. Even saying that, he's had a very good freshman year. Is LSU going to the NCAAs with clearly the best freshman in the country?
A lot of us thought you guys were crazy predicting NCAAs this year. Too many holes on the team and way too much youth. Being a homer is fine, ignoring those stark realities is your undoing.
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I havent understood what Wilson has been doing the last couple games. Regardless of that last heave at the end of the game, it just boggles my mind some of the shots he takes. He makes some crazy layups, but for the most part its nuts.
The last heave at the end of the game was just poor execution. I am not sure, if that was what Wojo wanted, but Creighton was ready for it. As soon as the ball was passed to Wilson they collapsed on him and he had no choice but to force up a the shot. I believe that Carter should of taken the shot instead of passing the ball to Wilson. He had a better shot and there would of been more time on the clock to rebound and get a second shot. We did get a second shot after the Wilson miss, but I am pretty sure the clock had expired by the time Carter released it.
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Wojo called a timeout with a lead and maybe 90 seconds left. The BC was rocking and it took the life out. We squandered the chance and couldn't get a decent shot. Creighton came down and scored and it was over.
That timeout made no sense and really felt awkward. Terrible coaching decision.
I think timeouts in those situations do give the advantage to the defense.
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the badgers have 2 juniors from a final four team. besides this is a mu board, who gives a crap about how the badgers are doing.
In December the Badgers were worse than MU. Now MU is not even close to them. It is a coach's job to get the team to improve more than the other teams improve as all teams should improve as the season goes on. Gard has obviously done that. In January they lost at home to a more talented Maryland team on a last second shot. That was UW's last lost. About a month later them bascially dominated the same team on the road. That is how much the Badgers have improved.
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I was surprised by the fact that Wojo didn't call for team to commit a foul after the missed free throws with 37 or so seconds remaining and MU down by 2. By not doing so, it allowed Creighton to take as much time as they wanted to extend the lead. And, subsequently, MU had only 7 seconds to, at best, tie the game. Questionable choice, in my mind.
Why would you do this? No coach would do this
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In December the Badgers were worse than MU. Now MU is not even close to them. It is a coach's job to get the team to improve more than the other teams improve as all teams should improve as the season goes on. Gard has obviously done that.
Or they just massively underperformed under Bo who was too busy dealing with Tara.
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Or they just massively underperformed under Bo who was too busy dealing with Tara.
I have no doubt they were underperforming, but Gard getting an unperforming team to perform is still good coaching. Buzz's last year the team underperformed the whole year. I suspect that if Bo had not quit it would of been the same story at UW as it was for Buzz.
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No more excuses. MU fully embraces the mistake. Regardless of what Wojo teaches they continue to screw up.
Best part was sitting in a box with 5 badger fans cumming in their pants while Gard beat the crap out of MD. MU sucks and will continue to. Accepting my fate like when I attended MU. We will always be losers. unnatural carnal knowledge it.
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No more excuses. MU fully embraces the mistake. Regardless of what Wojo teaches they continue to screw up.
Best part was sitting in a box with 5 badger fans cumming in their pants while Gard beat the crap out of MD. MU sucks and will continue to. Accepting my fate like when I attended MU. We will always be losers. unnatural carnal knowledge it.
WTF?
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Meanwhile, 60 miles west, they knocked off #2 on the road.
Sucked seeing Herro live tweeting their game
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Was this game on TV nationally? Since it was on FS Wisconsin. Or did other viewing areas get to watch as well. Just curious.
BC seemed to be have a nice crowd tonight. Anyone in attendance agree?
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Of course not. But coaching killed us in the final minute. Our coach has just as much learning to do as our players.
I may be frustrated, but I'm patient.
Ya know, I made the same exact statement vs providence and got blasted for it. Seems everyone on scoop does a 180 on a win/loss.
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No more excuses. MU fully embraces the mistake. Regardless of what Wojo teaches they continue to screw up.
Best part was sitting in a box with 5 badger fans cumming in their pants while Gard beat the crap out of MD. MU sucks and will continue to. Accepting my fate like when I attended MU. We will always be losers. unnatural carnal knowledge it.
Good lord get a grip. Maryland has been a disappointing team most of the year. MU beat Wisconsin at Wisconsin.
This forever, always, never talk is for lazy people. Seriously, relax and have a brew. Way way way too many of you bought into crazy expectations this year. We tried to warn you. Same thing some of us tried to warn you on Luke...nice player, but not the savior some of you proclaimed last year.
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Won three of the four Oliver factors. Lost on...turnovers....again.
And Creighton really made us pay for them. I don't know how many points they scored in transition, but it seemed like they dominated. There were also at least 2-3 (or more) layups where we just got beat down the court after made baskets. That was kind of mind-boggling.
Losing to a good team doesn't bother me so much. That happens. But hate to lose a game we had multiple chances to win. Like Wojo said, 25 games into the season, you'd hope to start seeing fewer mistakes. Another tough lesson to absorb.
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And Creighton really made us pay for them. I don't know how many points they scored in transition, but it seemed like they dominated. There were also at least 2-3 (or more) layups where we just got beat down the court after made baskets. That was kind of mind-boggling.
Losing to a good team doesn't bother me so much. That happens. But hate to lose a game we had multiple chances to win. Like Wojo said, 25 games into the season, you'd hope to start seeing fewer mistakes. Another tough lesson to absorb.
Creighton 22-6 on fast break points. 13-8 on points on turnovers. Brutal but same story different game.
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I still can't believe we lost to Creighton! Really! We get beat by McDermott and the mutts. Our
spacing is so bad with HE and LF in the game, everyone knows how to defend it. We had 3 days off to rest,whats that about? So frustrating!!!
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Was this game on TV nationally? Since it was on FS Wisconsin. Or did other viewing areas get to watch as well. Just curious.
BC seemed to be have a nice crowd tonight. Anyone in attendance agree?
I was not able to get it despite having many of the Fox Sports channels. For some strange reason Fox sports go delayed the game until 11 pm eastern.
From the way it sounds, it may have been better that I just listened to espn 540 over the internet.
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I'm sorry you bought into the hype that he was the 4th best high schooler in the country. He is good, but not that level good. He is also a big and they take longer to develop. Even saying that, he's had a very good freshman year. Is LSU going to the NCAAs with clearly the best freshman in the country?
A lot of us thought you guys were crazy predicting NCAAs this year. Too many holes on the team and way too much youth. Being a homer is fine, ignoring those stark realities is your undoing.
Well, if he's not the fourth best High Schooler in the country, then he won't make any first team Freshman All American teams. I guess we'll see.
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Upon a night of sleeping on it, I think the whole team played a little sluggish, like they were still feeling the effects of playing big minutes on Wednesday. The whole team just seemed to lack energy.
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Was this game on TV nationally? Since it was on FS Wisconsin. Or did other viewing areas get to watch as well. Just curious.
BC seemed to be have a nice crowd tonight. Anyone in attendance agree?
It was on FSN Midwest also.
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- The moment any realistic hope of getting an at-large vanishes always sucks.
- Absolutely killed in transition. I think Maurice Watson just blew through our defense again.
- JJ made some mistakes, but I'm surprised he couldn't get in at all at the end.
- Final two minutes coaching mistake #1 was the timeout. Duane had just given us back the lead, we get a defensive stop, the BC had energy. It never quite got that energy back.
- Final two minutes coaching mistake #2 was the play out of the timeout. We had what, 20-21 seconds on the shot clock and couldn't get a decent look? As the time ticked away, I couldn't help but wonder what was drawn up in that huddle. Either the play didn't work or it wasn't effectively communicated to the players. Either way, that's on the coaches.
- Final two minutes coaching mistake #3 was not fouling after Creighton had the ball up one. I know, "8.5 seconds is plenty of time", but why would you think that when 20 seconds wasn't enough time?
- That said, I'm glad Duane took the last shot. He didn't have a perfect night, but he hit the shot that put us ahead for the last time. He should have taken the shot before that as well.
- This is a learning process for everyone. The players are learning and the staff is learning.
- Doug McDermott has built a very nice program. Definitely an asset in the Big East. You can see the line of bigs from Artino to Groselle (straight beast) to Hanson to Hegner. Their upperclassmen always step up. Milliken now, and next year that Watson/Zierden backcourt will be tough to handle. Different skillsets, but his ability to harness veteran potential reminds me a lot of Bo Ryan.
- If we want to make the NIT, we can probably only afford one more loss. I have a tough time looking at the schedule and realistically envisioning that right now. We won't play in the CBI because of pride, not sure if we'd take an invite to Vegas or not, but barring winning four at MSG, we're likely out of the postseason for the third consecutive year. That sucks.
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Was this game on TV nationally? Since it was on FS Wisconsin. Or did other viewing areas get to watch as well. Just curious.
BC seemed to be have a nice crowd tonight. Anyone in attendance agree?
I watched it live on the YES network.
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- That said, I'm glad Duane took the last shot. He didn't have a perfect night, but he hit the shot that put us ahead for the last time. He should have taken the shot before that as well.
Not that it matters but even if Duane hit that shot MU loses. His foot was on the line.[/list]
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Wojo called a timeout with a lead and maybe 90 seconds left. The BC was rocking and it took the life out. We squandered the chance and couldn't get a decent shot. Creighton came down and scored and it was over.
That timeout made no sense and really felt awkward. Terrible coaching decision.
I hated that timeout when it was called, because it allows your opponent to set their defense or change it. I don't know if this is true, but I don't think Wojo has a good track record of running successful plays off of timeouts.
Do you think McDermott was happy that we called timeout? I do.
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Not that it matters but even if Duane hit that shot MU loses. His foot was on the line.[/list]
If so, that really sucks. Didn't notice that live.
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Well at least you agree that we still have some chances. I actually think if we win out, that will give us so many quality wins that it would be hard for committee to turn us out. Remember, they look at much more than RPI.
Winning out without a BET run won't do it. It just won't.
Not that we have to worry about it.
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No more excuses. MU fully embraces the mistake. Regardless of what Wojo teaches they continue to screw up.
Best part was sitting in a box with 5 badger fans cumming in their pants while Gard beat the crap out of MD. MU sucks and will continue to. Accepting my fate like when I attended MU. We will always be losers. unnatural carnal knowledge it.
God do we have such an oversensitive fanbase. I don't care if UW wins the next ten NCAA championships. Marquette is proudly my team and will always be my team.
Bunch of chicken littles.
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- This is a learning process for everyone. The players are learning and the staff is learning.
This part concerns me. I dont know if the staff is learning. The is little evidence of adaptation and in game improvement and adjustments. I think Wojo would call that timeout today if put in the same situation.
Additionally, his end of game/out of timeout offensive plays are suspect at best.[/list]
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Because the only CBB discussion I hear regularly involves us or them. And this year, when it should finally be turning towards us, it's still them. I know we're rebuilding, but watching an interim coach rebuild faster and better than we are the past 2 months has been irritating.
Another irritation for me tonight was the post game. All I heard Wojo talk about was the players needing to be better, stick to the game plan, be tougher...same old crap with no ownership that HE, not the players, cost us that game. I'm okay with people screwing up. Tonight was on Wojo. Take ownership.
At marquette we have pretty high expectations. to say wojo hasn't been good enough at this point would be an understatement. many thought this team would be really coming together at this point in the season, but they haven't. they are a decent team that is inconsistent. they win a big game to get the fans hopes up that they are turning the corner, and then they let the fans down with a poor performance (that usually occurs at home). I agree wojo needs to start taking some ownership, he hasn't done a good enough job with this squad
last year we sucked and we all knew it, but this year has been pretty disappointing
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Wojo called a timeout with a lead and maybe 90 seconds left. The BC was rocking and it took the life out. We squandered the chance and couldn't get a decent shot. Creighton came down and scored and it was over.
That timeout made no sense and really felt awkward. Terrible coaching decision.
At DUKE the students keep rocking no matter what.
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That was hideous. MU played terrible. Creighton outside of Watson played terrible. Embarrassing showing in a must win game. The glimmer of hope is now gone. BET champs or its over. Boys gotta show up better, but that's what you get with a young team. Very disappointing.
That is what you get with inexperienced coaching. Poor coaching in critical moments of the game that lead to a loss.
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The fact that they keep improving at a faster rate with young players as well as a rookie coach is all that needs to be said
I would swap coaching staffs in an instant. Gard is proving he is a very good coach and would have this team thinking about seeding in the NCAA tournament not fighting to make the NIT.
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This is still effectively year one for the staff. I'm not ready to give up on them yet. We haven't seen the kind of in season improvement we were used to under Buzz, but that always occurred with more veteran teams. 2010 and 2012 really stand out, but those years had numerous key seniors.
The only other worry I have is those teams had other guys to teach them the way. Novak showed the Amigos, they showed Lazar, who showed Jimmy and DJO, who showed Jae and Van, but now we're left without that experience.
Trying to respect the process. Just been really tough with our home form this year.
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Good lord get a grip. Maryland has been a disappointing team most of the year. MU beat Wisconsin at Wisconsin.
This forever, always, never talk is for lazy people. Seriously, relax and have a brew. Way way way too many of you bought into crazy expectations this year. We tried to warn you. Same thing some of us tried to warn you on Luke...nice player, but not the savior some of you proclaimed last year.
Are you fricking kidding me? Maryland is a disappointing team being ranked #2???
Stop drinking the Wojo Kool Aid!!!!
Stop making excuses for a team that is clearly underachieving while downplaying a great win by a rival.
You make it sound like we have no talent and absolutely no experience on this team. This was game number 26 on top of a trip to Europe!!!
I didn't expect a Final Four run but I did expect us to be on the bubble for NCAA and not on the bubble for the NIT.
I did expect more out of Wojo than what I am seeing.
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Another irritation for me tonight was the post game. All I heard Wojo talk about was the players needing to be better, stick to the game plan, be tougher...same old crap with no ownership that HE, not the players, cost us that game. I'm okay with people screwing up. Tonight was on Wojo. Take ownership.
"Ultimately I'm responsible for all of this," he said. "Our kids are learning, so I'm responsible for getting the message across so they do the things they need to do to win. Our guys are busting their butts and they're trying and they work hard and they're good kids — we need to get more from it.
"That's my responsibility. It's my responsibility; I take full responsibility for it. I'm not saying that to blame anyone — I'm responsible. I need to help these kids better."
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I don't know if this is true, but I don't think Wojo has a good track record of running successful plays off of timeouts. ]
I don't think it is true. I don't have the data to back it up, but as fans we tend to remember the ones that don't work and forget the ones that do. The ones that fail are on the coaches the ones that succeed are on the players.
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This part concerns me. I dont know if the staff is learning. The is little evidence of adaptation and in game improvement and adjustments. I think Wojo would call that timeout today if put in the same situation.
Additionally, his end of game/out of timeout offensive plays are suspect at best.[/list]
Xavier, Butler, and Providence were very well coached games. Sounds like this one was a step backwards. It happens with young coaches (and older ones too)
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At marquette we have pretty high expectations. to say wojo hasn't been good enough at this point would be an understatement. many thought this team would be really coming together at this point in the season, but they haven't. they are a decent team that is inconsistent. they win a big game to get the fans hopes up that they are turning the corner, and then they let the fans down with a poor performance (that usually occurs at home). I agree wojo needs to start taking some ownership, he hasn't done a good enough job with this squad
last year we sucked and we all knew it, but this year has been pretty disappointing
Fans have unreasonable expectations. Wojo has met the administration's expectations as well as the expectations of any fan who stopped and looked at our roster honestly before declaring we were good.
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God do we have such an oversensitive fanbase. I don't care if UW wins the next ten NCAA championships. Marquette is proudly my team and will always be my team.
Bunch of chicken littles.
Hoops went overboard, but it is different when you live in the state.
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I would swap coaching staffs in an instant. Gard is proving he is a very good coach and would have this team thinking about seeding in the NCAA tournament not fighting to make the NIT.
Sigh. I know people want to believe that we are secretly good and if only the coach would change his strategy we would start winning. We went through this last season. And Buzz' last season. Its not the coach. We don't have the players yet. I know that sucks, because it means we won't be better until next season. But its the truth.
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I'm sorry you bought into the hype that he was the 4th best high schooler in the country. He is good, but not that level good. He is also a big and they take longer to develop. Even saying that, he's had a very good freshman year. Is LSU going to the NCAAs with clearly the best freshman in the country?
A lot of us thought you guys were crazy predicting NCAAs this year. Too many holes on the team and way too much youth. Being a homer is fine, ignoring those stark realities is your undoing.
Yes. LSU is going to the tourney.
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God do we have such an oversensitive fanbase. I don't care if UW wins the next ten NCAA championships. Marquette is proudly my team and will always be my team.
Bunch of chicken littles.
You must not live in this state
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Yes. LSU is going to the tourney.
Expected RPI of 76...doubtful. Only two teams in history with a 70+ RPI have made it, and none since 2005 when the RPI formula was changed. They have work to do.
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Fans have unreasonable expectations. Wojo has met the administration's expectations as well as the expectations of any fan who stopped and looked at our roster honestly before declaring we were good.
We have a McDonald's all american and a roster chock full of 4 star players. The roster is not the issue. Badgers have a roster chock full of 3 star players and 1 5 star no McDonald's all Americans and are leaps and bounds better
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I would swap coaching staffs in an instant. Gard is proving he is a very good coach and would have this team thinking about seeding in the NCAA tournament not fighting to make the NIT.
That is an opinion only. Since we don't know how Gard would do with a team that is this young. He is starting a team with red shirt junior, junior, junior, junior, redshirt freshman. That is miles different than what we are starting.
Yet despite that, Gard was on the staff at UW when they couldn't figure out how to beat us....at home.
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We also have no idea how Gard is going to recruit.
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Do you think McDermott was happy that we called timeout? I do.
And yes, absolutely. Feel it helped him more than us.
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That is an opinion only. Since we don't know how Gard would do with a team that is this young. He is starting a team with red shirt junior, junior, junior, junior, redshirt freshman. That is miles different than what we are starting.
Made me curious to look it up...(Kenpom)
MU is 344 in youngest team
Wisconsin is 299 in youngest team
Marquette is 228 in returning minutes
Wisconsin is 277 in returning minutes
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We have a McDonald's all american and a roster chock full of 4 star players. The roster is not the issue. Badgers have a roster chock full of 3 star players and 1 5 star no McDonald's all Americans and are leaps and bounds better
What 5 star do the Badgers have? I think the Badger with the highest high school ranking was Brevin Pritzl and he was a four star. He barely plays too.
More importantly...so?
High school rankings mean jack crape once they get to college. Pretty much the top 20 are a lock to be good and the rest our a crapshoot. Also, I would take a team full of three star juniors over a team of 1 five star and the rest four star freshmen every day. Very few freshmen come in BEast ready from day one. Everyone on our team is being required to do more than they are reasonably capable of doing. Give em a year to develop and a full roster and you'll see a night and day difference.
On a side note, have you made any posts this year that don't involve the Badgers? It seems like all you've done since Buzz left is compare us to Madison. To each their own but their are other discussions you can have on here.
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- The moment any realistic hope of getting an at-large vanishes always sucks.
- Absolutely killed in transition. I think Maurice Watson just blew through our defense again.
- JJ made some mistakes, but I'm surprised he couldn't get in at all at the end.
- Final two minutes coaching mistake #1 was the timeout. Duane had just given us back the lead, we get a defensive stop, the BC had energy. It never quite got that energy back.
- Final two minutes coaching mistake #2 was the play out of the timeout. We had what, 20-21 seconds on the shot clock and couldn't get a decent look? As the time ticked away, I couldn't help but wonder what was drawn up in that huddle. Either the play didn't work or it wasn't effectively communicated to the players. Either way, that's on the coaches.
- Final two minutes coaching mistake #3 was not fouling after Creighton had the ball up one. I know, "8.5 seconds is plenty of time", but why would you think that when 20 seconds wasn't enough time?
- That said, I'm glad Duane took the last shot. He didn't have a perfect night, but he hit the shot that put us ahead for the last time. He should have taken the shot before that as well.
- This is a learning process for everyone. The players are learning and the staff is learning.
- Doug McDermott has built a very nice program. Definitely an asset in the Big East. You can see the line of bigs from Artino to Groselle (straight beast) to Hanson to Hegner. Their upperclassmen always step up. Milliken now, and next year that Watson/Zierden backcourt will be tough to handle. Different skillsets, but his ability to harness veteran potential reminds me a lot of Bo Ryan.
- If we want to make the NIT, we can probably only afford one more loss. I have a tough time looking at the schedule and realistically envisioning that right now. We won't play in the CBI because of pride, not sure if we'd take an invite to Vegas or not, but barring winning four at MSG, we're likely out of the postseason for the third consecutive year. That sucks.
Agree with most of this. Pretty frustrating up and down season. Three years now in the New BEAST and we are still middle of the pack to low tier. Don't care that we are young. With this talent, we should be beating teams like Creighton. No question that McDermott is a better coach. What did Wojo pick up in his nearly two decades at Duke? While we have shown some modest improvement from last year, and we should given the talent, Wojo still has a long way to go. The real question is, are we now a mid major?
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"Ultimately I'm responsible for all of this," he said. "Our kids are learning, so I'm responsible for getting the message across so they do the things they need to do to win. Our guys are busting their butts and they're trying and they work hard and they're good kids — we need to get more from it.
"That's my responsibility. It's my responsibility; I take full responsibility for it. I'm not saying that to blame anyone — I'm responsible. I need to help these kids better."
Hmmmm....since Wojo is accepting all this responsibility, it must be time to give him another 4 year extension.
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"Ultimately I'm responsible for all of this," he said. "Our kids are learning, so I'm responsible for getting the message across so they do the things they need to do to win. Our guys are busting their butts and they're trying and they work hard and they're good kids — we need to get more from it.
"That's my responsibility. It's my responsibility; I take full responsibility for it. I'm not saying that to blame anyone — I'm responsible. I need to help these kids better."
Not sure if that was in Homer's interview but if so I missed it. Thanks for sharing, it was really disappointing listening on the radio to what sounded like a very brief, stunted interview that gave the opposite impression.
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Sigh. I know people want to believe that we are secretly good and if only the coach would change his strategy we would start winning. We went through this last season. And Buzz' last season. Its not the coach. We don't have the players yet. I know that sucks, because it means we won't be better until next season. But its the truth.
You may be right that we do not have the players, although this was highly rated talent. But what makes you believe that we will be better next year, since we likely lose HE, and the ranked players coming in are similarly/lesser ranked than current players?
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Made me curious to look it up...(Kenpom)
MU is 344 in youngest team
Wisconsin is 299 in youngest team
Marquette is 228 in returning minutes
Wisconsin is 277 in returning minutes
The data I have says MU is 346th, but splitting hairs I suppose.
Wisconsin has 6 redshirts on their team. We have one.
Wisconsin's starting 5 is Redshirt junior, junior, junior, junior, redshirt freshman
MU's starting 5 is Freshman, Redshirt Sophomore, Freshman, Junior, Junior
Most importantly....Wisconsin is starting Junior guards....the key to college basketball. We are starting a freshman and a sophomore.
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We have a McDonald's all american and a roster chock full of 4 star players. The roster is not the issue. Badgers have a roster chock full of 3 star players and 1 5 star no McDonald's all Americans and are leaps and bounds better
Bingo!!!
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What 5 star do the Badgers have? I think the Badger with the highest high school ranking was Brevin Pritzl and he was a four star. He barely plays too.
Played one game. Injury has kept him out.
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You may be right that we do not have the players, although this was highly rated talent. But what makes you believe that we will be better next year, since we likely lose HE, and the ranked players coming in are similarly/lesser ranked than current players?
Recruiting rankings suck. Way too much stock in them, especially comparing one year to the next. You could be the "30th" rated player one year and be worse than the 60th player the next year because that one year the crop of players coming out just weren't that deep or good.
As for HE leaving, sure it will hurt, but there are plenty of examples of teams also improving when the best player left just as there are plenty of examples where it has killed a team.
For example
Carmelo Anthony leaves the Nuggets..when he was there, they won 54% of their games...when he left, they won 70% of their games that year
IU loses a lottery pick Noah Vonleh, team is better the next year
Etc, etc
Would I love to have HE back? Sure. Is next year a disaster if he is gone? Time will tell.
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Not sure if that was in Homer's interview but if so I missed it. Thanks for sharing, it was really disappointing listening on the radio to what sounded like a very brief, stunted interview that gave the opposite impression.
Not sure where it was from but I pulled it out of Velazquez's recap.
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Not sure where it was from but I pulled it out of Velazquez's recap.
The press conference video link has all this stuff.
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Wisconsin has 6 redshirts on their team. We have one.
I would love seeing Anim, Held, Sandy, ect all as RS Seniors.
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You may be right that we do not have the players, although this was highly rated talent. But what makes you believe that we will be better next year, since we likely lose HE, and the ranked players coming in are similarly/lesser ranked than current players?
For the past four years I have tracked every team's offseason, who they are losing, who they are bringing in? What percentage of scoring, rebounding, assists, 3P shooting etc etc are they losing? What have I found consistently is that the teams that improve the most are the ones that return the most. Recruiting classes rarely seem to matter (for immediate success), though impact recruits do. Transfers also seem to have a really huge positive impact on a team's immediate success.
Simply put, I think the growth from our 9 returning players plus the additions of Rowsey and Hauser is significantly greater than the production of Henry Ellenson this season. Ergo, we will be a better team. If you add Markus Howard and a grad transfer to that, its even more dramatic. Plus, our coaching staff will be a year more seasoned. Our coaches need time to grow too. From the two jobs I have had, I have found that I don't hit my full potential until my third year. Year one is about surviving, year two is about establishing yourself, year 3 and beyond is about thriving. Hopefully the same goes for basketball coaches.
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I would love seeing Anim, Held, Sandy, ect all as RS Seniors.
The redshirt is criminally underused in college basketball. One thing that Bo did very well.
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The redshirt is criminally underused in college basketball. One thing that Bo did very well.
He did Tara well, too
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He did Tara well, too
*drops mic*
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He did Tara well, too
You keep insinuating this but no reports have come out and it has been 3 moths
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You keep insinuating this but no reports have come out and it has been 3 moths
Ok now I know something is up.
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You keep insinuating this but no reports have come out and it has been 3 moths
(http://www.barry-kay-archive.org/DESIGN_WORKS/Indices/CLV/COSTUMES/3_Moths_ins.jpg)
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Marquette in NY
I hadn't heard about the Creighton PG until you hyped him up in the Big East thread last week. I can see why you respected him so much, heck of a talent. Good call.
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Nothing is going to come up with Bo. (So to speak.) It is in everyone's best interests to keep it buried.
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Marquette in NY
I hadn't heard about the Creighton PG until you hyped him up in the Big East thread last week. I can see why you respected him so much, heck of a talent. Good call.
The kid controls the game very well. Extremely quick and agile. Makes shots and free throws.
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Fans have unreasonable expectations. Wojo has met the administration's expectations as well as the expectations of any fan who stopped and looked at our roster honestly before declaring we were good.
Is it unreasonable to expect to win when you are at home, up 2, with the ball with 1:30 to go. Is it unreasonable to expect to win when you are up two with less then 10 seconds to go against DePaul. I expect this team to have its growing pains, but I certainly wish they would stop giving away games that they played well enough to win, especially at home. I do not expect to beat Villanova, but if we are up near the end of the game I expect to win.
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Is it unreasonable to expect to win when you are at home, up 2, with the ball with 1:30 to go. Is it unreasonable to expect to win when you are up two with less then 10 seconds to go against DePaul. I expect this team to have its growing pains, but I certainly wish they would stop giving away games that they played well enough to win, especially at home. I do not expect to beat Villanova, but if we are up near the end of the game I expect to win.
Big picture Bilsu. Look at the big picture. Expectations in the little picture get exceeded or failed all the time. I don't expect Marquette to lose when up 2 with 1:30 but I also don't expect to win when down 2 with 33 seconds to go against a ranked team.
If you expect your little picture expectations to be met 100% of the time, you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
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God do we have such an oversensitive fanbase. I don't care if UW wins the next ten NCAA championships. Marquette is proudly my team and will always be my team.
Bunch of chicken littles.
+10000000
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"Ultimately I'm responsible for all of this," he said. "Our kids are learning, so I'm responsible for getting the message across so they do the things they need to do to win. Our guys are busting their butts and they're trying and they work hard and they're good kids — we need to get more from it.
"That's my responsibility. It's my responsibility; I take full responsibility for it. I'm not saying that to blame anyone — I'm responsible. I need to help these kids better."
+100000000000
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Hoops went overboard, but it is different when you live in the state.
I was born in the state of Wisconsin, lived my entire life in the state of Wisconsin, and respect the men's basketball program at the University of Wisconsin. I understand that the vast majority of college basketball fans in Wisconsin root for the Badgers. Good for them.
But I went to school at Marquette. I bleed blue and gold, always will, no matter what. When it comes to the success of our basketball program, UW is irrelevant.
Of course, I enjoy our historic rivalry and every Marquette win. But it's a single non-conference game each year — making it much different from (and much less important than) other in-state rivalries like Michigan-MSU or Duke-UNC. Whether or not we beat UW, or whether or not UW is doing well, is of far less concern for me than how we're competing against the best teams in the Big East.
For those seemingly obsessed with comparing MU and UW, I'd strongly suggest that you re-examine your priorities.
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The kid controls the game very well. Extremely quick and agile. Makes shots and free throws.
...as we talk about youth...
Let us remember that Maurice Watson turns 23 before the BET begins.
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You keep insinuating this but no reports have come out and it has been 3 moths
Dont disrespect Kenosha's Badgers he wont stand for it!
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Yes. LSU is going to the tourney.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch
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Yes. LSU is going to the tourney.
Another 20 point loss tonight. If they don't win the SEC tournament, they aren't going to the tourney.
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Another 20 point loss tonight. If they don't win the SEC tournament, they aren't going to the tourney.
Geeze, 91 in RPI after tonight & 16-12 record