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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 10, 2016, 08:43:22 PM
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1. Duane was bad tonight.
2. Tale of two halves for Traci.
3. Bentil. A brute.
4. Luke's foul trouble influenced the game immensely. And 2 of them were ridiculously bad calls.
5. Haanif, Traci, Sandy, Henry, Sandy. That lineup had a great streak.
6. Some great defense, some embarrassing lapses.
7. Henry so bad from distance, so good close in. We're going to miss him when he's gone.
8. Just once, I would like to feel like Marquette got some home cooking from the officials.
9. The freshmen got it done in overtime. There is hope.
10. And yet, the same freshmen make you throw stuff at the TV.
11. Inexperience. And Sandy needed something good to happen so desperately he made another gaffe.
12. All of the ticky tack fouls called and they let the one go on Traci at the end of the first overtime.
13. Marquette needs to make better decisions to close out. Head scratching.
14. And yet, somehow....
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15. We need some coaching put into them. How in the world do they not realize to not shoot? This is the 4th(?) time this season this has happened.
16. I'm seriously debating not watching another game this season, its so ugly
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Freshmen (and Sandy) do freshmen stuff. Enjoy the ride.
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Duane was bad, until he hit 4 free throws at the end. Then he was substituted. And Cohen promptly missed 2. I don't get why Wojo subbed Wilson out.
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.15. We won. Period.
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5. Haanif, Traci, Sandy, Henry, Sandy. That lineup had a great streak.
No kidding. Sandy seemed to be all over the place! ;D
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15. We need some coaching put into them. How in the world do they not realize to not shoot? This is the 4th(?) time this season this has happened.
16. I'm seriously debating not watching another game this season, its so ugly
The last possession of the 1st overtime had nothing to do with coaching. Purely on the players.
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Cohen's confidence is approaching absolute zero.
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You can't lose them all.
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No kidding. Sandy seemed to be all over the place! ;D
All over the place, like a chicken with his head cut off. I was not at all impressed by Cohen tonight. Again. Hope he can get back on track at some point.
EDIT: I now see why you say he was all over the place!
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I think Cohen coming in was the offense/defense thing. Gotta admit, I said a bad word when he got fouled. Knew what was coming.
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I feel sorry for Sandy right now. So snakebit. He's got the yips.
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I'd like to see Luke rebound like that every game, aside from the one he fumbled out of bounds that led to a Bentil 3.
Officiating was horrendous.
Just an exasperating team. So much talent and so many mistakes.
We don't win without JJJ but he made some boneheaded plays on the defensive end. As did Henry.
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I think Cohen coming in was the offense/defense thing. Gotta admit, I said a bad word when he got fouled. Knew what was coming.
Saw it coming as soon as he came in. I'm not convinced that Cohen was a better option on defense than Wilson at that point, and he certainly wasn't for offense.
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All over the place, like a chicken with his head cut off. I was not at all impressed by Cohen tonight. Again. Hope he can get back on track at some point.
EDIT: I now see why you say he was all over the place!
And his D was abysmal, normally his calling card.
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EDIT: I now see why you say he was all over the place!
Sometimes it's the little things.
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Wilson was really bad, but free throws were huge. His two stupid fouls at end of game lead to 4 free throw points.
Cohen, well he has been terrible since BE play and next year that Hauser kid may/will see his playing time.
Fischer had two screen fouls by sticking out his butt.
Not even going to bring up end of first OT, that was just unreal with Cohen and Cheatham.
Too many back door/dunks by Prov
Too many threes (11) given up and MU with 3 for 13. Henry missed one at end of regulation, but JJJ's was huge
Too many possessions down to end of shot clock.
Win is a win, even with the ugly mistakes. Bentil improved so much, its actually crazy.
Last, in first OT, Henry did not take one shot, not one.
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Anyone know how many NBA scouts were at the game? That guy must have said it 15 times.....
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17. We actually won the turnover battle!
18. Bentil, damn. Wow
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Wilson was really bad, but free throws were huge. His two stupid fouls at end of game lead to 4 free throw points.
Cohen, well he has been terrible since BE play and next year that Hauser kid may/will see his playing time.
Fischer had two screen fouls by sticking out his butt.
Not even going to bring up end of first OT, that was just unreal with Cohen and Cheatham.
Too many back door/dunks by Prov
Too many threes (11) given up and MU with 3 for 13. Henry missed one at end of regulation, but JJJ's was huge
Too many possessions down to end of shot clock.
Win is a win, even with the ugly mistakes. Bentil improved so much, its actually crazy.
Last, in first OT, Henry did not take one shot, not one.
MU's zone was pressing super high with the wings trying to jump every passing lane. It was a HUGELY risky defense. Paid off a number of times with steals/turnovers. Got beat a few times.
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Anyone know how many NBA scouts were at the game? That guy must have said it 15 times.....
Dude ripped MU hard. Not that they didn't deserve it at times, but you'd think they lost by 50.
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Anyone know how many NBA scouts were at the game? That guy must have said it 15 times.....
Apparently the only talking points the announcers were issued were the number of NBA scouts and that Providence had never won in Milwaukee.
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Cohen, well he has been terrible since BE play and next year that Hauser kid may/will see his playing time.
Marquette fan X write's off underclassmen player Y, and proclaims that High School Senior Z will take his minutes next year. Rinse. Repeat.
Same clowns wrote off JJJ last year. People develop at different times. Cohen will have an impact next year, and two years from now, clowns like you will inevitably take your turn trying to write off Sam Hauser for the next incoming freshman.
Have some patience. Quit "writing off" players. I'm not a positive person - but this is the first time in about 12 years that I feel like every single scholarship player on this rosters (a) deserves that scholarship, and (b) will make a big impact at Marquette over their years with the program.
That includes Sandy, Sacar, and any other player that you'll likely write-off over the next 8 months before next season.
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Marquette fan X write's off underclassmen player Y, and proclaims that High School Senior Z will take his minutes next year. Rinse. Repeat.
Same clowns wrote off JJJ last year. People develop at different times. Cohen will have an impact next year, and two years from now, clowns like you will inevitably take your turn trying to write off Sam Hauser for the next incoming freshman.
Have some patience. Quit "writing off" players. I'm not a positive person - but this is the first time in about 12 years that I feel like every single scholarship player on this rosters (a) deserves that scholarship, and (b) will make a big impact at Marquette over their years with the program.
That includes Sandy, Sacar, and any other player that you'll likely write-off over the next 8 months before next season.
AMEN
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- Jajuan: Every time we needed a play, he made it. Filled the stat sheet tonight.
- End 1st OT: Maybe the worst sequence I've ever seen from Marquette basketball. Not sure what was worse, Sandy driving to the hoop or Haney getting the offensive board and putting it back up. No sense of time and situation.
- Dunn & Bentil: Both really good, though Bentil is the better college player and more deserving of BEPOY and any All-America awards. But man, PC drops off after that. I can't see a deep tourney run from a team that has no depth.
- Duane: He struggled all night, but I wanted it in his hands at the end. Going 4/4 from the line validated that. Kid is tough.
- Rebounding: It's so much better when we do it as a team. Cheatham and JJ really stood out in that regard tonight.
- Four-out/One-In: We played really well with one big in there. This is why I think we will be better next year with or without Henry. Hopefully Heldt can develop into a decent backup by next year. Looks like he's on his way.
- Traci: Kid really regrouped after a tough first half. Hit a big three, made his FTs down the stretch, and had 5 assists and I believe only the 2 first half turnovers.
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- Jajuan: Every time we needed a play, he made it. Filled the stat sheet tonight.
- End 1st OT: Maybe the worst sequence I've ever seen from Marquette basketball. Not sure what was worse, Sandy driving to the hoop or Haney getting the offensive board and putting it back up. No sense of time and situation.
- Dunn & Bentil: Both really good, though Bentil is the better college player and more deserving of BEPOY and any All-America awards. But man, PC drops off after that. I can't see a deep tourney run from a team that has no depth.
- Duane: He struggled all night, but I wanted it in his hands at the end. Going 4/4 from the line validated that. Kid is tough.
- Rebounding: It's so much better when we do it as a team. Cheatham and JJ really stood out in that regard tonight.
- Four-out/One-In: We played really well with one big in there. This is why I think we will be better next year with or without Henry. Hopefully Heldt can develop into a decent backup by next year. Looks like he's on his way.[/b]
- Traci: Kid really regrouped after a tough first half. Hit a big three, made his FTs down the stretch, and had 5 assists and I believe only the 2 first half turnovers.
Agreed on those 2. I pointed the first one out in the game chat. I started a thread on the second.
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I feel sorry for Sandy right now. So snakebit. He's got the yips.
Wally should be getting his minutes.
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- Jajuan: Every time we needed a play, he made it. Filled the stat sheet tonight.
- End 1st OT: Maybe the worst sequence I've ever seen from Marquette basketball. Not sure what was worse, Sandy driving to the hoop or Haney getting the offensive board and putting it back up. No sense of time and situation.
- Dunn & Bentil: Both really good, though Bentil is the better college player and more deserving of BEPOY and any All-America awards. But man, PC drops off after that. I can't see a deep tourney run from a team that has no depth.
- Duane: He struggled all night, but I wanted it in his hands at the end. Going 4/4 from the line validated that. Kid is tough.
- Rebounding: It's so much better when we do it as a team. Cheatham and JJ really stood out in that regard tonight.
- Four-out/One-In: We played really well with one big in there. This is why I think we will be better next year with or without Henry. Hopefully Heldt can develop into a decent backup by next year. Looks like he's on his way.
- Traci: Kid really regrouped after a tough first half. Hit a big three, made his FTs down the stretch, and had 5 assists and I believe only the 2 first half turnovers.
Agree with all. Well said.
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- End 1st OT: Maybe the worst sequence I've ever seen from Marquette basketball. Not sure what was worse, Sandy driving to the hoop or Haney getting the offensive board and putting it back up. No sense of time and situation.
Buycks -- a future NBA player -- did the same against Louisville. And that cost us the game.
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15. We need some coaching put into them. How in the world do they not realize to not shoot? This is the 4th(?) time this season this has happened.
16. I'm seriously debating not watching another game this season, its so ugly
15. First, it had little to nothing to do with coaching. Second, name the other three.
16. Don't. Go root for Notre Dame. We won't miss you.
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4. Luke's foul trouble influenced the game immensely. And 2 of them were ridiculously bad calls.
Agree. Not Luke's best game, fouling out and committing 4 turnovers. But I don't think we win without him. He still logged 25 minutes, 12 points and 10 boards (4 offensive). The team looked good on the offensive glass.
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That's the 3rd game this year I didn't watch a minute of. The other two, Providence and Butler. I'm sensing a theme here...may have to do my duty as a fan and not tune in to help the cause.
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Our inbound plays and our pressbreak are reminiscent of the Crean era. I can't believe I am watching the wheel route with no sucess and no backup plan.
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About 70% of the people on this board are acting like we just lost a game to UWGB. This is (another) good win. Bunch of grumpy sweater vests around here lately.
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Tower, wondering why these were musings instead of thoughts. I'm a thoughts fan.
Under point #5, that's a weird lineup. Can't handle Sandy X 2.
Can't comment on much, work screwed me and I only saw the last 4 minutes of double OT.
End of game management appears to continue to be a problem. Youth and inexperience as to players and coaches continue to make things interesting.
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Duane was bad, until he hit 4 free throws at the end. Then he was substituted. And Cohen promptly missed 2. I don't get why Wojo subbed Wilson out.
Cohen a better defensive player in my opinion
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- End 1st OT: Maybe the worst sequence I've ever seen from Marquette basketball. Not sure what was worse, Sandy driving to the hoop or Haney getting the offensive board and putting it back up. No sense of time and situation.
Watch the last 4 minutes of MU at Louisville from a few years ago.......
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I took a lot of abuse the other day when I wrote:
"I would rather have Traci on the floor the last 5 minutes than Duane. With Duane and Haney on the floor together at the end, it's a turnover festival. Haney is a freshman learning a new position - PG - but no excuses for DW."
At least Wojo knows who to listen to on Scoop 8-)
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About 70% of the people on this board are acting like we just lost a game to UWGB. This is (another) good win.
No kidding. While MU had some incredible cranial flatulence at the end of the first OT, Providence (mainly Bentil) kept making plays.
It's a good win for them. The kids played their asses off. If people can't enjoy that result, then it's time to find another hobby.
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If JJJ can teach Cheatham how to do the little pull-up jumper on the drive, when he is blocked going to the hoop, the kid could be an All-American by his senior year.
He has the quickness and a decent shot from three. So, if he can learn a little mid-range game, he would almost be unstoppable. Plus, despite some mistakes, he shows a real willingness to play hard defense.
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Watch the last 4 minutes of MU at Louisville from a few years ago.......
Watch the entire Kansas game from a few years before that......
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About 70% of the people on this board are acting like we just lost a game to UWGB. This is (another) good win. Bunch of grumpy sweater vests around here lately.
Exactly my thoughts. Everyone only focused on the negative
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JJJ is a stud.
Just keep letting the kid play. Not claiming the Ners "mind games". But he really only has bad stretches. If you let him work through it, he makes a play when needed almost everytime.
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JJJ is a stud.
Just keep letting the kid play. Not claiming the Ners "mind games". But he really only has bad stretches. If you let him work through it, he makes a play when needed almost everytime.
Really happy he stuck around. Especially because I've always been a JJJ backer. Next up, need Traci to prove me right.
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Exactly my thoughts. Everyone only focused on the negative
Positive Scooper: "We just won the national title! Beat Kentucky by 32!"
Dopey-ass Negative Scooper: "Yeah, but stupid Duane missed those two free throws with 16 minutes to go. I can't believe Wojo coached him to do that!"
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Marquette fan X write's off underclassmen player Y, and proclaims that High School Senior Z will take his minutes next year. Rinse. Repeat.
Same clowns wrote off JJJ last year. People develop at different times. Cohen will have an impact next year, and two years from now, clowns like you will inevitably take your turn trying to write off Sam Hauser for the next incoming freshman.
Have some patience. Quit "writing off" players. I'm not a positive person - but this is the first time in about 12 years that I feel like every single scholarship player on this rosters (a) deserves that scholarship, and (b) will make a big impact at Marquette over their years with the program.
That includes Sandy, Sacar, and any other player that you'll likely write-off over the next 8 months before next season.
Well said, with an excellent sense of perspective. It's aggravating seeing so many errors but whenever I want to write off one of our players, I first try to recall what JFB looked like his first season here, as a soph.
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Really happy he stuck around. Especially because I've always been a JJJ backer. Next up, need Traci to prove me right.
I think Traci is going to eventually fully prove those in his corner right. He seems to have the important attributes and the rest will come.
And yeah it's great that JJJ keeps making everyone look foolish for predicting he'd transfer just about every semester. I've truly never understood where people have got the impression he doesn't look happy here.
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Exactly my thoughts. Everyone only focused on the negative
TAMU (and Wade's)
I'm one old fan who's ecstatic that we won. Saw lots of good things. Hanif looks like a star in the making, Traci is tough as nails and JJJ looks like he's turned the corner. Luke (other than the fouling) is very good. And Henry? Wow! Wojo has them playing hard and some of the dumb mistakes are mitigated by the team's youth.
But please explain to me how we could leave the only player on Providence who could hurt us (after Dunn fouled out) wide open time after time after time after time even though he was limping around the court on a bum ankle. I don't blame Wojo for Henry's stupid foul, Sandy's ill advised shot or Hanif's incredibly dumb one. Young guys, heat of the moment - bad, yes, but explicable. The defensive "strategy" we used against the only guy who could make a shot for them? That's inexplicable - and worrisome.
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TAMU (and Wade's)
I'm one old fan who's ecstatic that we won. Saw lots of good things. Hanif looks like a star in the making, Traci is tough as nails and JJJ looks like he's turned the corner. Luke (other than the fouling) is very good. And Henry? Wow! Wojo has them playing hard and some of the dumb mistakes are mitigated by the team's youth.
But please explain to me how we could leave the only player on Providence who could hurt us (after Dunn fouled out) wide open time after time after time after time even though he was limping around the court on a bum ankle. I don't blame Wojo for Henry's stupid foul, Sandy's ill advised shot or Hanif's incredibly dumb one. Young guys, heat of the moment - bad, yes, but explicable. The defensive "strategy" we used against the only guy who could make a shot for them? That's inexplicable - and worrisome.
I'd need to rewatch to be sure but one of the threes was because jjj bit hard on a steal attempt and left Bentil wide open. It wasn't the plan in that instance it was the execution. I'd need to rewatch the other two
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But please explain to me how we could leave the only player on Providence who could hurt us (after Dunn fouled out) wide open time after time after time after time even though he was limping around the court on a bum ankle. I don't blame Wojo for Henry's stupid foul, Sandy's ill advised shot or Hanif's incredibly dumb one. Young guys, heat of the moment - bad, yes, but explicable. The defensive "strategy" we used against the only guy who could make a shot for them? That's inexplicable - and worrisome.
I think they wanted to stick in one defense, so the guys didn't have another thing to think through. The zone was mostly effective, and helped save their legs. We saw some of their mental mistakes on the other end, and I think the staff was trying to minimize the chances of that on D.
If it was up to me, I would have gone back to man up two possessions late (in both OTs), and faceguarded Bentil.
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But please explain to me how we could leave the only player on Providence who could hurt us (after Dunn fouled out) wide open time after time after time after time even though he was limping around the court on a bum ankle.
Wojo talked about this in the post-game. Sounds like he and the coaching staff continually stressed the importance of not losing Bentil on the court. Generally, Marquette's perimeter defense has been good this year.
But Bentil is a great offensive player. And he got unbelievably hot from long range. I mean unbelievable — he came into tonight's game having made just 22 of 77 threes (28.6%), and tonight he went 6 of 13. Sometimes you just have the hot hand. I'd still rather go home with the win.
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Watch the entire Kansas game from a few years before that......
The most shameful night in the long, otherwise storied history of Marquette hoops. A team loaded with NBA talent was humiliated on the game's biggest stage. Frankly, good men were left behind from a profound lack of leadership.
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You guys are unbearable. Good win tonight against a solid/good team and you're bitching about former coaches.
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If it was up to me, I would have gone back to man up two possessions late (in both OTs), and faceguarded Bentil.
Bingo! Pay the man, Shirley.
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The most shameful night in the long, otherwise storied history of Marquette hoops.
That game was a crusher. No question about it. But it didn't diminish my enjoyment of witnessing Wade's spectacular play for two seasons, or the amazing run to the Final Four. I've been over the Kansas loss for a long time now. If anything, I hold onto the hope of finding another shooter even close to as good as Novak.
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The most shameful night in the long, otherwise storied history of Marquette hoops. A team loaded with NBA talent was humiliated on the game's biggest stage. Frankly, good men were left behind from a profound lack of leadership.
LOL. Yup, had leadership 7 days earlier against #1 Kentucky, two days earlier than that against #5 Pittsburgh, so on and so forth, but didn't have leadership all of a sudden.
I suppose shooting 31% for the game probably didn't help either.
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You guys are unbearable. Good win tonight against a solid/good team and you're bitching about former coaches.
That was something...5 NBA guys on that team, 4 starters
3:17 mark.....goodness...coming off a made free throw, too.
https://www.youtube.com/v/YVc299gZliQ
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Just finally watching the full game now.
As usual JJJ should have had at least 1 more assist if Duane could competently make a lay up. God it seems he biffs a lot of those.
And the miss lead to a JJ foul.
Need Duane to limit the head scratchers
Deeper in first half. Henry not paying attention on a JJ dump off. Smh.
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Go take a look at the Providence scout board. There's a game thread that's something to behold. Some of them hate Cooley just as much as some people here hate Wojo.
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Tower, wondering why these were musings instead of thoughts. I'm a thoughts fan.
Under point #5, that's a weird lineup. Can't handle Sandy X 2.
Can't comment on much, work screwed me and I only saw the last 4 minutes of double OT.
End of game management appears to continue to be a problem. Youth and inexperience as to players and coaches continue to make things interesting.
I was bored. Should have gone with Providence Ponderings. Brewcity does it better, anyway.
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15. We need some coaching put into them. How in the world do they not realize to not shoot? This is the 4th(?) time this season this has happened.
16. I'm seriously debating not watching another game this season, its so ugly
yeah, didn't ya hear during that last time out with the huddle mic'd up
wojo: ok, if we get the ball back without them scoring with 30 seconds or so, take it to the hole, go for the gusto man, live large baby or go home, who wants to be the man? whoever goes yard for us, i'll have the louisville ladies waiting for you in the locker room...
i get the frustration, the highs and the lows, but that's part of the deal. everyone would love a mistake-free game, no missed calls, we make 75% of our shots, no injuries and the guy get's the girl every time, but...
reminds me of that commercial where the 4-some of guys are golfing-one of them is bitchin and cussin and hackin his way thru 18. they all cram back into his ford pinto or something and this dude is just exhausted emotionally, ready to throw his clubs in the water and one of the playing partners goes-same time tomorrow? and the messed up dude goes yup and they drive off. that is soooo true of the things we, deep down, have a passion for...da warriors by 20
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We saw flashes of what these guys can be. And then we saw the glaring reminder that they are soooooooo inexperienced. BTW, am I the only one who thinks Heldt looks like one of the kids from 'Hoosiers?' Finally, judging from the attendance, it appears that the MU fanbase has many devout Catholics who chose their Ash Wednesday obligations over going to a basketball game. Good for them.
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Go take a look at the Providence scout board. There's a game thread that's something to behold. Some of them hate Cooley just as much as some people here hate Woo.
Their next three games Are Georgtown, at Xavier and at Seton hall and they are likely to lose all three. I suspect Bentil, having played so many minutes against MU, will be hobbling against Georgetown. They do finish up with DePual, Creighton and @ St. John's. However, they are the only team with three losses against MU and DePaul. They were lucky to beat Creighton on a last second shot after Creighton shot 25% for the game, which was basically Creighton's worst game of the year.
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15. We need some coaching put into them. How in the world do they not realize to not shoot? This is the 4th(?) time this season this has happened.
16. I'm seriously debating not watching another game this season, its so ugly
That's not coaching. It's on the players there. These guys didn't just learn game situations for the first time in their lives. I remember DJO doing this 4 or 5 different times and just wondering how he could continue to do it. I sure didn't blame Buzz.
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17. We actually won the turnover battle!
18. Bentil, damn. Wow
Bentil is BE POY.
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Henry has the talent and Big body, but, he needs coaching and discipline. He takes too many fast long shots that don't go in and makes too many turnovers. Why would he foul a three point shot? The game was over if he didn't make that foul. He is so much more effective when he plAys within 15 feet from the basket.
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"He's become a guy that we can depend on ... and he's becoming a leader on our team," Wojciechowski said about the junior.
The long awaited for time has arrived! JJ has gained consistency. Who expected that quote to be said of him anytime before the past month?
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Rebounding was impressive last night. After having only 2 offensive boards against Provi last time out, we got 19 last night and beat them on the boards. Wojo and staff must have been drilling it into them to crash the boards because they've been doing a lot better in the rebounding department lately.
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About 70% of the people on this board are acting like we just lost a game to UWGB. This is (another) good win. Bunch of grumpy sweater vests around here lately.
I couldn't agree more wades. I didn't look at scoop until this morning because of the drive and late hour. (Thank God that wasn't an 8p tip!) It's like we freakin' lost around here. Did we make some mistakes and bonehead plays? Yep. Did we get hosed by the refs? Yep. Did we play like Warriors and win anyway? Yep.
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Yes, over the last few games, JJJ has finally started to bring it consistently. Still making some bonehead moves on defense, but offensively he is making good decisions almost every time now. Kudos to the kid for sticking it out and working to get better.
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400840292
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I couldn't agree more wades. I didn't look at scoop until this morning because of the drive and late hour. (Thank God that wasn't an 8p tip!) It's like we freakin' lost around here. Did we make some mistakes and bonehead plays? Yep. Did we get hosed by the refs? Yep. Did we play like Warriors and win anyway? Yep.
I think it is amplified by how much people are talking/refuting the 'meh' crowds posts.
It is what it is -- we need to fight for an NIT bid -- let's keep getting better and get one -- then make some noise there.
However, I think we can all agree that success for this season is far from where we need and expect to be.
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About 70% of the people on this board are acting like we just lost a game to UWGB. This is (another) good win. Bunch of grumpy sweater vests around here lately.
Bingo. I wasn't able to see the game and all I get here is negativity.
Marquette just beat a ranked opponent. Swept them in fact. And all I read about is what players suck and that our coaching sucks. Even tower's first comment was about who played bad.
Maybe winter is just making people grumpy or something.
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No kidding. Sandy seemed to be all over the place! ;D
Dammit. I just caught that. One of the disadvantages of typing on a phone. My apologies to JJ.
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Awful decision making down the stretch by both our players and the refs. We won this one based on greater depth, providence was completely worn out.
despite some bad defensive decisions jjj has been outstanding again. has a more intense look about him. hopefully stays on this progression, could be our best player next year.
henry is unbelievable in the mid-range game. I don't know why he spends so much time on the perimeter. Still shoots too many 3's and they are complete bricks, not even close.
Cheatham made some outstanding finishes on drives, but almost killed us with poor decision making. Story of his freshman season.
Traci was solid down the stretch.
Sandy wasn't good, although he did have one nice finish on a fast break in overtime I believe
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Rebounding was impressive last night. After having only 2 offensive boards against Provi last time out, we got 19 last night and beat them on the boards. Wojo and staff must have been drilling it into them to crash the boards because they've been doing a lot better in the rebounding department lately.
I don't think so because Wojo is a bad coach who is on a leash now. All he does at practice is send texts to all the other lousy Coach K coaching disciples.
Oh, and Wojo's mind games totally screwed up JJJ, too. Obviously.
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For those who need teal to recognize sarcasm, the above post from MU82 is sarcasm. Please treat it as such.
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Oh tower ... you complete me!
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Goddamn there's a lot of negativity in this thread. Great game! Tons of great performances! The future is super bright and if you don't think this team has improved immensely you're insane.
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Goddamn there's a lot of negativity in this thread. Great game! Tons of great performances! The future is super bright and if you don't think this team has improved immensely you're insane.
You are so naive, PRN. You actually believe that college players improve as they get more experience.
See, lots of folks here think that never happens. (For example, Kaminsky was great as a freshman but Bo was just stashin' him on the bench!) Ipso fatso, if we are bad now -- and we obviously are horrible because Providence is the worst team ever so beating them doesn't even matter -- we will be bad forevermore.
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Goddamn there's a lot of negativity in this thread.
Definitely more than there should be given we just beat another top 20 team. I think if we had beat them in regulation (as we should have) or in the first OT (which we also should have) we wouldn't see nearly as much.
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FWIW - If you look at the full year data thus far, Cohen has improved YoY from an efficiency of 93 (usage 16%) to an efficiency of 107 (usage 14%).
In other words, he's gone from a crap role player to a good (but not great) role player. It's unlikely he will ever be a go-to guy (>20% usage), but he should be a very good junior and senior.
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Wilson was really bad, but free throws were huge. His two stupid fouls at end of game lead to 4 free throw points.
Cohen, well he has been terrible since BE play and next year that Hauser kid may/will see his playing time.
Fischer had two screen fouls by sticking out his butt.
Not even going to bring up end of first OT, that was just unreal with Cohen and Cheatham.
Too many back door/dunks by Prov
Too many threes (11) given up and MU with 3 for 13. Henry missed one at end of regulation, but JJJ's was huge
Too many possessions down to end of shot clock.
Win is a win, even with the ugly mistakes. Bentil improved so much, its actually crazy.
Last, in first OT, Henry did not take one shot, not one.
I think that was due in part to poor decision making/team work when the ball came down low, but even more due to the coaching decision to have 3 defenders up high most of the time so that no matter where K Dunn went, he had two guys to deal with. And that worked on Dunn.
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I think that was due in part to poor decision making/team work when the ball came down low, but even more due to the coaching decision to have 3 defenders up high most of the time so that no matter where K Dunn went, he had two guys to deal with. And that worked on Dunn.
Let's go down to nyg's place of business and write down every single thing he and his team does wrong.
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FWIW - If you look at the full year data thus far, Cohen has improved YoY from an efficiency of 93 (usage 16%) to an efficiency of 107 (usage 14%).
In other words, he's gone from a crap role player to a good (but not great) role player. It's unlikely he will ever be a go-to guy (>20% usage), but he should be a very good junior and senior.
It feels like, though, that there has been a big drop off in the last half dozen games or so. Do the stats bear that out?
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Last half-dozen games
PC 42
X 120
SHU 15
Butler 120
Stetson 106
St. John's 115
Cohen has had two crap games out of the last three, but he's been efficient in the other four. It's recency bias.
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Last half-dozen games
PC 42
X 120
SHU 15
Butler 120
Stetson 106
St. John's 115
Cohen has had two crap games out of the last three, but he's been efficient in the other four. It's recency bias.
Thanks Sug. I liked the fact that Wojo called him over to the bench after he missed those 2 free throws. Needed Sandy focused. As an upperclassman he'll be a very solid 6th or 7th man. Honestly, I'd really like him to continue to work hard on his D and improve his rebounding so he can be a true force on the defensive end. Doesn't really need to become a great scorer to contribute.
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If JJJ can teach Cheatham how to do the little pull-up jumper on the drive, when he is blocked going to the hoop, the kid could be an All-American by his senior year.
He has the quickness and a decent shot from three. So, if he can learn a little mid-range game, he would almost be unstoppable. Plus, despite some mistakes, he shows a real willingness to play hard defense.
He could be an All-American next year if he added that to his game. Kid is really, really, really good.
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Cohen has had two crap games out of the last three, but he's been efficient in the other four. It's recency bias.
I just posted a few charts and need to retract this a bit. Yes, he's been efficient in his other four games, but Cohen has really struggled since the start of conference play.
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He could be an All-American next year if he added that to his game. Kid is really, really, really good.
It also would benefit Cheatham to work tirelessly on finishing with his right hand. He had three drives yesterday from the right side and had to use his left on all. Only made one. (He did make another when he went under the basket for an excellent reverse.) Several teams have done a pretty good job of taking away his left hand. He needs a better right.
Even with no mid-range game, no right hand and a propensity for turning the ball over, Haanif already is a nice college player. I agree he can be quite special by the time he is done if he improves on what he already does well and becomes reasonably skilled at the things he doesn't do now.
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It also would benefit Cheatham to work tirelessly on finishing with his right hand. He had three drives yesterday from the right side and had to use his left on all. Only made one. (He did make another when he went under the basket for an excellent reverse.) Several teams have done a pretty good job of taking away his left hand. He needs a better right.
Even with no mid-range game, no right hand and a propensity for turning the ball over, Haanif already is a nice college player. I agree he can be quite special by the time he is done if he improves on what he already does well and becomes reasonably skilled at the things he doesn't do now.
Agreed. He'll work on it. Wojo has said he is already lightyears ahead of where he was when he came to campus with his right hand. Despite those limitations, including the fact he hasn't made a mid range jumper all year and tends to turn the ball over, he is still one of the best freshman in the country, and as he develops, he is going to be the leader of this team. I love the kid.
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Awful decision making down the stretch by both our players and the refs. We won this one based on greater depth, providence was completely worn out.
despite some bad defensive decisions jjj has been outstanding again. has a more intense look about him. hopefully stays on this progression, could be our best player next year.
henry is unbelievable in the mid-range game. I don't know why he spends so much time on the perimeter. Still shoots too many 3's and they are complete bricks, not even close.
Cheatham made some outstanding finishes on drives, but almost killed us with poor decision making. Story of his freshman season.
Traci was solid down the stretch.
Sandy wasn't good, although he did have one nice finish on a fast break in overtime I believe
We won because of depth?? We have 7 capable players right now. That's it. If you listen to all the complaints about Duane and Sandy here, we only have 5 capable players. But depth won us the game?
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We won because of depth?? We have 7 capable players right now. That's it. If you listen to all the complaints about Duane and Sandy here, we only have 5 capable players. But depth won us the game?
Compared to Prov's 2 players...yeah
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We won because of depth?? We have 7 capable players right now. That's it. If you listen to all the complaints about Duane and Sandy here, we only have 5 capable players. But depth won us the game?
Not watched Providence much?
Bentil and Dunn had 59/92 against us last night.
In the first game they had 48!!! Of 64.
This is a normal thing for them btw. They are a 2 man show.
We've at least got 5-6 guys who can lead us nightly.
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He could be an All-American next year if he added that to his game. Kid is really, really, really good.
Not only a pull-up jumper, but also passing out to an open man once in a while. Can't get to the hoop every time. Kid is really good already though.
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Bingo! Pay the man, Shirley.
How can teams possibly let Steph Curry continually go off against them? How can guys like Durant, Wade, LeBron, etc. average over 20 a game for their careers? I mean, c'mon! Coaches are getting paid millions of dollars to not see who the best players on the court are and still be unable to hold them under 8 points? Da hell ever happened to accountability in this world? Somebody must pay for this!
News flash: there are some really good basketball players in this world. Ben Bentil happens to be one of those guys. It's easy to sit on MUScoop and type "How hard is it to see that we need to stop Ben Bentil?!" It's not so easy to go out on a court and stop Ben Bentil.
Ben Bentil went for 42 and 12. And 1 loss.
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Not watched Providence much?
Bentil and Dunn had 59/92 against us last night.
In the first game they had 48!!! Of 64.
This is a normal thing for them btw. They are a 2 man show.
We've at least got 5-6 guys who can lead us nightly.
It wasn't a question of skill, though. He was talking actual depth because Providence was worn down. We have a 7 man rotation. We're not winning games because we're tiring the opponent out with our depth.
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That's not coaching. It's on the players there. These guys didn't just learn game situations for the first time in their lives. I remember DJO doing this 4 or 5 different times and just wondering how he could continue to do it. I sure didn't blame Buzz.
bang! that's what i'm talking about!
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It wasn't a question of skill, though. He was talking actual depth because Providence was worn down. We have a 7 man rotation. We're not winning games because we're tiring the opponent out with our depth.
yes as i said, we did win this game based on GREATER depth than providence. they were worn out in overtime plus dunn was fouled out. they are a 2 superstar show. we have a lot more solid contributors. bentil was completely worn out. so our depth was a great advantage in a game that went into two overtimes