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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: tower912 on February 07, 2016, 06:23:29 PM
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Denver come out on fire. Carolina nervous. Liked the Doritos commercial.
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Talib could have been ejected for that face mask.
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Gotta figure LXXXII keeps poundin' his head 'gainst da wall, ai na?
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A game of mistakes so far. Including the officials. Blew that incomplete pass call, even on review.
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Wasn't Kubiak thrown out of Houston? Now he's in the SB. NFL, coaching especially, is such a crapshoot
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Figurin' Lady Gaga's gonna win, hey?
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A game of mistakes so far. Including the officials. Blew that incomplete pass call, even on review.
late hit on cam was a bad call. put a skirt on him. he was far from down lots of adrenalin flowing
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It wasn't on can. Away from the play.
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Beyoncé almost took a spill.
The video of past halftime shows was pretty cool.
$Cam playing a lot like Russell Wilson. Keep him in the pocket and make him beat you with his arm and he ain't no good.
Carolina really loose with the football. 2 fumbles lost and at least 2 other times where the ball came out just after the player hits the ground.
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Oh and I hate the "receiver was in the area" rule. What is "in the area?" I swear there are times that it's thrown 15 yards away from any player on he field and the ref just points at some random offensive player.
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What a terribly boring game. I really don't wanna see Manning win.
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What a terribly boring game. I really don't wanna see Manning win.
Of all the people I can think of in the NFL that I wouldn't want to see win the Super Bowl, especially right now, Peyton Manning comes about last. One of the true class acts in the game, and, in my opinion, the greatest to ever play the game. Going out on top would be awesome.
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Maybe $cam was too busy dabbing to attempt to recover his own fumble. Only reason I can think of for that lack of effort.
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Maybe $cam was too busy dabbing to attempt to recover his own fumble. Only reason I can think of for that lack of effort.
I think he had an owie from a previous series and figured maybe next time, I've got some commercials to tape yet
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I think he had an owie from a previous series and figured maybe next time, I've got some commercials to tape yet
I don't know why but I can see this panthers team as one of those teams that never quite has the same success again.
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Enjoy that beer Peyton. Not sure of the choice of beer but that's okay.
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Gotta figure LXXXII keeps poundin' his head 'gainst da wall, ai na?
Disappointing day. Panthers' defense played admirably. Their D played better ... and WAY better than the Panthers' offense.
And believe it or not, I was by far the calmest of the 8 people at the little gathering we had at our house to watch the game. F-bombs were flying ... and that was mostly from the women. And I am totally serious about that.
One of my friend's wives said the F-word so often it was quite comical, as if somebody was doing a parody of a 4-foot-8, 85-pound, 65-year-old Jewish woman screaming F-bombs.
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Couple musings...
I thought Denver would win, #1 overall defenses in SB's now 10-2 all time.
In spite of their record, Panthers were shaky on the road this year.
I know they always defer, but thought Panthers made a mistake in not taking the ball to start. This game in particular is far different from a typical NFL game, I think getting the ball to start the second half is way overrated after sitting for 33 minutes for halftime. Panthers fed on starting fast, and a team like Denver on their first drive was going to come out prepared.
I don't like Carolina's chances to get back here next year. They had a great run, but lots of roster holes to fill, and the conference will catch up to them next year.
So much for the Von Miller to Chicago rumors. Denver still going to have an interesting decision to make come mid March, if neither Miller nor Osweiler strikes a deal. Guessing Peyton announces his retirement next week to help the Broncos out.
On to the offseason.
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Enjoy that beer Peyton. Not sure of the choice of beer but that's okay.
That was rather odd. Obviously he was getting paid to shill that sh1t beer.
I hope Manning retires. Manning gets a lot of press for being a 'good guy' but he has been brazen about his extra-marital activities.
And Eli? That punk has been a dick his entire life but his entry to the NFL, warning the Chargers against drafting him, merely reinforced his ridiculous sense of entitlement..
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A game of mistakes so far. Including the officials. Blew that incomplete pass call, even on review.
Two disclaimers before asking this question: I'm a lifelong Broncos fan and I thought the incomplete pass call would get overturned.
My question: if any part of the ball touched the ground when he first went down, causing him to lose control, is it incomplete even if he gained control as he rolled over? As I said, I thought it would get overturned. So, I've been trying to figure out what the ref saw (or didn't see) that caused him to not overturn the call. The only thing I can think of is that he thought the nose of the ball might have hit the ground when he first went down, which caused him to lose control before rolling over. There's a decent picture on this site (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25476895/a-controversial-catch-ruling-pops-up-in-super-bowl-50). It's hard to see because the ball is a little obscured by Cotchery's bicep. Also, with a still you can't tell whether that is the closest the ball got to the ground. But even on that picture it looks like a part of the ball may have touched the ground in (in front of Cotchery's finger). If it did, and if that caused him to lose control (as it did because he bobbled the ball while rolling over), does that make it incomplete even though he clearly gained control as he rolled over and the ball didn't hit again. Honest question. I don't know the rule.
I think a lot of commentators have been focusing on whether the ball hit the ground at the end -- after he rolled over -- and it clearly didn't. I think the basis of the call was that it hit the ground on the initial contact and that caused him to lose control (or at least they couldn't rule that out on the replay so they did not overturn the call).
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Maybe $cam was too busy dabbing to attempt to recover his own fumble. Only reason I can think of for that lack of effort.
And then his embarrassing presser. $cam may pass Brady as the most despised player in the NFL. Hey $cam, kiss any endorsement deal out the window. Absolute loser.
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And then his embarrassing presser. $cam may pass Brady as the most despised player in the NFL. Hey $cam, kiss any endorsement deal out the window. Absolute loser.
Because he was upset after losing the biggest game of his career? Please, I've acted more pissed off losing a high school volleyball game.
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One of my friend's wives said the F-word so often it was quite comical, as if somebody was doing a parody of a 4-foot-8, 85-pound, 65-year-old Jewish woman screaming F-bombs.
That sounds hot.
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And then his embarrassing presser. $cam may pass Brady as the most despised player in the NFL. Hey $cam, kiss any endorsement deal out the window. Absolute loser.
Cam doesn't lose very well. He never has. His presser was not a good look for him. Knowing how he can be, someone within the Carolina organization (PR person, coach or a veteran player) should have gotten to him before he went to meet the media and told him that, no matter how upset and frustrated he is, he NEEDS to act like a grown man/professional for 5 minutes, answer their questions with cliches and get on the bus.
Because he was upset after losing the biggest game of his career? Please, I've acted more pissed off losing a high school volleyball game.
But no one cared how you acted.
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And then his embarrassing presser. $cam may pass Brady as the most despised player in the NFL. Hey $cam, kiss any endorsement deal out the window. Absolute loser.
Yeah so much for the "matured" Cam Newton. The fact of the matter is he's still a punk who just happened to be winning, so he happened to be more upbeat than he was in the past. Nothing about him changed besides he was winning.
Because he was upset after losing the biggest game of his career? Please, I've acted more pissed off losing a high school volleyball game.
The difference is you were a 14-18 year old kid who wasn't pretending to be a changed man and talking about how misunderstood you are because of your race, and you weren't getting paid millions of dollars to, in part, do press conferences. $cam is a 26 year old man who wanted everyone to believe he had matured beyond exactly what he showed last night. If that was the case, he would've handled it like all the other Carolina players who were upset after losing the biggest game of their careers.
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Sportscenter isolated the audio in the background right before Cam walked out. You could clearly hear an interview with a Denver player detailing their game plan for Newton and how they were going to force him to pass. You can watch Cam's eyes go off in the distance listening to the interview with the Bronco, then get up and leave.
It is easy to be critical, as, yes, as face of the franchise you do have obligations and responsibilities. However, I am not sure that I wouldn't have done the same thing in the same situation. Seriously torqued about losing and you and your team playing poorly and then having to listen as an opposing player is bragging about what they did to you while you are trying to conduct an interview.
And I am pretty neutral on Cam. Not a fan, but I don't hate the guy, either.
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I just love media narratives. Peyton is held up as this stand up guy because he is good at PR (he's kind of a douche nozzle in his personal life) while Cam is just who he is and gets skewered by the media because he doesn't behave in a manner that "we" think he should.
I get it, Cam brought it on himself, if you are going to be flamboyant in victory you gotta be humble in defeat but I couldn't care less about his post conference behavior. If Cam was flipped with Rodgers, wonder how many of the Packer fans on the board would be calling A-a-ron out like this.
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I just love media narratives. Peyton is held up as this stand up guy because he is good at PR (he's kind of a douche nozzle in his personal life) while Cam is just who he is and gets skewered by the media because he doesn't behave in a manner that "we" think he should.
I get it, Cam brought it on himself, if you are going to be flamboyant in victory you gotta be humble in defeat but I couldn't care less about his post conference behavior. If Cam was flipped with Rodgers, wonder how many of the Packer fans on the board would be calling A-a-ron out like this.
Yup, as soon as Cam didn't jump on that fumble I told my dad that they just found the excuse they were looking for to rip Cam again. I don't think Cam is a bad person, his father yes, but Cam has never gotten in any serious trouble for anything, people just don't like his personality. Hell, some people here still try to forgive Johnny Manziel.
One final thought. You think Peyton goes on jumps on that football. I don't think there's a chance in hell that he does.
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Yup, as soon as Cam didn't jump on that fumble I told my dad that they just found the excuse they were looking for to rip Cam again. I don't think Cam is a bad person, his father yes, but Cam has never gotten in any serious trouble for anything, people just don't like his personality. Hell, some people here still try to forgive Johnny Manziel.
One final thought. You think Peyton goes on jumps on that football. I don't think there's a chance in hell that he does.
I think if Peyton had been under the same pressure the entire game that $cam had Peyton's internal clock probably would've told him, "I have to get rid of the ball by now" and he wouldn't have let it get to that point, so probably not.
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I just love media narratives. Peyton is held up as this stand up guy because he is good at PR (he's kind of a douche nozzle in his personal life) while Cam is just who he is and gets skewered by the media because he doesn't behave in a manner that "we" think he should.
I get it, Cam brought it on himself, if you are going to be flamboyant in victory you gotta be humble in defeat but I couldn't care less about his post conference behavior. If Cam was flipped with Rodgers, wonder how many of the Packer fans on the board would be calling A-a-ron out like this.
It wasn't as egregious but Rodgers got a pass for crying about the coin toss against Arz.
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I think if Peyton had been under the same pressure the entire game that $cam had Peyton's internal clock probably would've told him, "I have to get rid of the ball by now" and he wouldn't have let it get to that point, so probably not.
Yeah, it's not like Peyton fumbled on back-to-back pass attempts in the 4th quarter or anything ::)
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I just love media narratives. Peyton is held up as this stand up guy because he is good at PR (he's kind of a douche nozzle in his personal life) while Cam is just who he is and gets skewered by the media because he doesn't behave in a manner that "we" think he should.
I get it, Cam brought it on himself, if you are going to be flamboyant in victory you gotta be humble in defeat but I couldn't care less about his post conference behavior. If Cam was flipped with Rodgers, wonder how many of the Packer fans on the board would be calling A-a-ron out like this.
Rodgers is a douche, but at least he's a douche when winning and a douche when losing and doesn't pretend like he's some matured, changed man only to have that all go out the window when things don't go his way. I don't recall ever seeing Aaron Rodgers get up and leave during his mandatory press conference, but maybe I just missed it. I also don't remember Rodgers's answers being, "Got outplayed, bro" or shorter, but again, maybe I missed it. Rodgers can act above others, but at least he takes the time out of his day to answer the questions. $cam has a problem when he isn't treated like Rodgers or Peyton or Brady, but then he goes and acts like Marshawn. At least I can respect that Marshawn lets it be known that he doesn't give a dang what anybody thinks of him and is just who he is (even though who he is is a complete punk). $cam wants to act like he's just some misunderstood angel, but the reality is he's also a punk.
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Yeah, it's not like Peyton fumbled on back-to-back pass attempts in the 4th quarter or anything ::)
Right...in the 4th quarter...after being sacked (I believe) twice to that point in the game. $cam was under pressure the entire game. Peyton was not. If Peyton had been sacked 6 times to that point my guess is he'd get the ball out a bit quicker.
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Right...in the 4th quarter...after being sacked (I believe) twice to that point in the game. $cam was under pressure the entire game. Peyton was not. If Peyton had been sacked 6 times to that point my guess is he'd get the ball out a bit quicker.
Peyton isn't physically capable of getting the ball out faster. And with Cam's receivers (worse even than the Packers this year if you can believe it) holding on to the ball was probably the lesser of two evils.
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Rodgers is a douche, but at least he's a douche when winning and a douche when losing and doesn't pretend like he's some matured, changed man only to have that all go out the window when things don't go his way. I don't recall ever seeing Aaron Rodgers get up and leave during his mandatory press conference, but maybe I just missed it. I also don't remember Rodgers's answers being, "Got outplayed, bro" or shorter, but again, maybe I missed it. Rodgers can act above others, but at least he takes the time out of his day to answer the questions. $cam has a problem when he isn't treated like Rodgers or Peyton or Brady, but then he goes and acts like Marshawn. At least I can respect that Marshawn lets it be known that he doesn't give a dang what anybody thinks of him and is just who he is (even though who he is is a complete punk). $cam wants to act like he's just some misunderstood angel, but the reality is he's also a punk.
Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think Cam says he's anything other than he is, certainly not some angel, I think you are projecting on him. Plus I'd have a chip on my shoulder if I'd been treated by the media the way he has his whole career going back to Auburn. Sometimes it really is about putting yourself in the other persons shoes and viewing their behavior through there prism/experience versus yours.
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I really don't have a problem with Cam, and I'm certainly not going to judge him too harshly for a press conference after losing the biggest game of his life. Was it immature? Sure; he's young. Was it more immature than a lot of other guys who also lost the biggest game of their lives? Yep. But I don't think it was that big of a deal. I think he did mature a lot over the last couple of years, but he's still a work in progress. Hopefully he'll continue to mature in the future.
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Also, what's with this whole $cam thing? That was his dad's doing, don't blame him for his dad's mistakes.
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Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think Cam says he's anything other than he is, certainly not some angel, I think you are projecting on him. Plus I'd have a chip on my shoulder if I'd been treated by the media the way he has his whole career going back to Auburn. Sometimes it really is about putting yourself in the other persons shoes and viewing their behavior through there prism/experience versus yours.
Yep. I saw an ESPN piece on Cam this weekend in which he basically says point-blank that he's not very good at losing and doesn't handle it very well. That doesn't sound like someone who's pretending to be someone he's not.
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Some thoughts on a few things brought up in this thread (and other SB observations):
COTCHERY NON-CATCH:
I agree with StillAWarrior that the Cotchery non-catch was upheld because the ball appeared to have touched the ground when he first went down and then appeared to have shifted slightly.
This might have been one of those deals where if it had been called a catch, the evidence wouldn't have been good enough to overturn it ... but because it was called a non-catch, the evidence wasn't compelling enough to change it to a catch. In fact, I believe Rivera made this exact point during his post-game interview.
At our Panthers-watching party, I was the lone observer among the 8 of us Carolina fans who thought the call would be upheld based upon what I have seen called catches and non-catches over the last couple of years.
The rule blows, but the rule is the rule and everybody has to play by it. I actually get a lot more upset about the blatant interference and holding that refs let DBs get away with. Refs have no clue how to call interference, and they often are the biggest plays in games.
Finally, for all of my fellow Panthers fans whining about the call, all Cotchery had to do was make a clean catch of a perfectly thrown pass and we wouldn't be having this discussion. When the Panthers signed Cotchery before the 2014 season, my first thought was, "Why are they bringing in this fossil?" He actually became one of my favorites because he was the one receiver (along with TE Olsen) who rarely dropped passes. Well, he had 3 drops yesterday, and each was huge. It was kind of a microcosm of the game for the Panthers -- just about everything that could have gone wrong did.
CAM A "PUNK":
Don't judge a jock by how he reacts in front of the media. I was a skeptic when the Panthers drafted Newton because of his checkered past, but he has been nothing but an amazingly solid citizen in Charlotte. He gives millions of dollars and countless hours to altruistic causes -- way above and beyond what is publicized (I have a friend in the Panthers' PR department who tells me of his many acts of kindness.) He is especially fantastic with kids.
Cam also has grown to become an outstanding team leader. One example: During the preseason, when fans wanted WR Philly Brown to be sent to Siberia because he dropped a ton of passes, it was Cam who very publicly embraced him on the sideline after one particularly horrendous drop. Cam later publicly endorsed Brown. And Brown went on to have a very productive season, crediting in great part the faith his QB had in him.
In response to the one question Newton answered in full after the game, he talked about the team's many mistakes and included his own prominently in the statement. He didn't try to sidestep the blame.
There are many athletes who are very slick in front of the media but who are total scumbags. Newton is a notoriously sore loser. It is something he needs to get better at dealing with, but I would caution anybody against making knee-jerk judgments about a person's character based upon his deportment minutes after probably the most disappointing 4 hours of his life.
NEWTON'S PERFORMANCE:
He needed to take better care of the football under duress, obviously, and he needed to at least try to recover that late fumble. But considering how many passes were dropped, how poorly his line blocked, how many penalties his teammates committed, how his receivers couldn't get open and how poorly the running game did, I thought he did pretty well to account for 310 yards -- pretty much the team's entire total.
His fumbles occurred after complete blocking breakdowns, and his interception came on a pass that went right through Ted Ginn's hands, costing the Panthers a sure FG and possible TD.
Hell, if Cotchery simply catches the early pass, the Panthers have the ball near midfield and the sack/fumble/TD almost surely never happens. It's a totally different game. But yeah ... ifs and buts and all that.
CAM'S CELEBRATIONS:
I enjoyed them all season. They helped make a fun season even more fun for a Panthers fan. His giving footballs to little fans easily surpassed the Lambeau Leap for coolness, IMHO.
But, as others have said -- and I have said myself -- if you are going to be so demonstrative in victory, you really should handle defeat with more maturity. And you absolutely have to expect to be mocked and derided when you fail.
The Panthers dared opponents to keep them from celebrating: "If you don't like it, all you have to do is stop us." Well, the Broncos did.
MANNING'S LEGACY:
"Legacy" is one of the dopiest cliches in sports. Manning's positive legacy already was assured based upon his many achievements and his one championship. He didn't "need" this nearly as much as he "needed" the win over the Bears.
He did next to nothing to help the Broncos win this game. They would have done no worse with Osweiler or any of a dozen other NFL backups. Newton had a far better game under far more adverse conditions.
Trent Dilfer was a SB star compared to this.
So kudos to Peyton for getting a second ring, and I highly recommend he get the hell out before he gets killed.
DENVER'S D:
When my Panther buds and I talked in the days leading up to the game, I said my two biggest fears were that the O line wouldn't be able to keep Miller and Ware off of Cam and that the receivers would revert to their pass-dropping ways.
Unfortunately, both of those fears came true.
Couple those problems with the multitude of other mistakes -- Tolbert's fumble, Gano's missed FG and the stunning failure to tackle the punt returner -- and the Panthers basically committed sports suicide.
Obviously, though, the Broncos' D deserves big-time credit, and Von Miller was an extremely deserving MVP.
RON RIVERA:
Absolute class act, and thrilled to have him as Panthers coach.
Since dumping Rivera so he could promote his incompetent friend Babich to Bears DC, Lovie has been fired twice to cement his "legacy" as a loser. Karma's a bitch.
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Look, IDK anything about Cam personally. I have no reason to believe that he's a 'bad' human being, etc. and I could care less about any comparison to Peyton and his alleged HGH use. But facts are facts. If Cam wants folks to be a-okay with his showboating (and I am), then he needs to man up when things don't go his way.
And not totally sacrificing his body on that fumble was inexcusable. It's the effin' Superbowl brother. You may never get another chance. 83 year old Bart Starr would have made a better effort.
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DENVER'S D:
When my Panther buds and I talked in the days leading up to the game, I said my two biggest fears were that the O line wouldn't be able to keep Miller and Ware off of Cam and that the receivers would revert to their pass-dropping ways.
Unfortunately, both of those fears came true.
Couple those problems with the multitude of other mistakes -- Tolbert's fumble, Gano's missed FG and the stunning failure to tackle the punt returner -- and the Panthers basically committed sports suicide.
Obviously, though, the Broncos' D deserves big-time credit, and Von Miller was an extremely deserving MVP.
I'll admit that I was not an optimistic fan before the game. Obviously, I wanted the Broncos to win, but wasn't counting on it. I've seen them get absolutely bitch-slapped in the Super Bowl too many times to ever feel too confident on the way in.
What I said to a lot of people on Saturday was, "there is no chance in hell that they'll win without a defensive touchdown." When they scored on their first drive (albeit a FG) and got an early defensive touchdown, I was pretty confident the rest of the way.
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Good summary, MU82.
I will say that the NFL must feel VERY fortunate that after the blown Cotchery call that Denver didn't end up winning by only a few points and that Cam made himself the media's fall guy by not falling on that fumble and acting poorly in his presser. All that takes attention away from a truly awful call. I have no idea how they didn't rule that a catch. He absolutely caught it. Like, MU82 said, he should have caught it cleanly, but still. A catch is a catch (and I was rooting for Denver).
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Some thoughts on a few things brought up in this thread (and other SB observations):
COTCHERY NON-CATCH:
I agree with StillAWarrior that the Cotchery non-catch was upheld because the ball appeared to have touched the ground when he first went down and then appeared to have shifted slightly.
This might have been one of those deals where if it had been called a catch, the evidence wouldn't have been good enough to overturn it ... but because it was called a non-catch, the evidence wasn't compelling enough to change it to a catch. In fact, I believe Rivera made this exact point during his post-game interview.
At our Panthers-watching party, I was the lone observer among the 8 of us Carolina fans who thought the call would be upheld based upon what I have seen called catches and non-catches over the last couple of years.
The rule blows, but the rule is the rule and everybody has to play by it. I actually get a lot more upset about the blatant interference and holding that refs let DBs get away with. Refs have no clue how to call interference, and they often are the biggest plays in games.
Finally, for all of my fellow Panthers fans whining about the call, all Cotchery had to do was make a clean catch of a perfectly thrown pass and we wouldn't be having this discussion. When the Panthers signed Cotchery before the 2014 season, my first thought was, "Why are they bringing in this fossil?" He actually became one of my favorites because he was the one receiver (along with TE Olsen) who rarely dropped passes. Well, he had 3 drops yesterday, and each was huge. It was kind of a microcosm of the game for the Panthers -- just about everything that could have gone wrong did.
CAM A "PUNK":
Don't judge a jock by how he reacts in front of the media. I was a skeptic when the Panthers drafted Newton because of his checkered past, but he has been nothing but an amazingly solid citizen in Charlotte. He gives millions of dollars and countless hours to altruistic causes -- way above and beyond what is publicized (I have a friend in the Panthers' PR department who tells me of his many acts of kindness.) He is especially fantastic with kids.
Cam also has grown to become an outstanding team leader. One example: During the preseason, when fans wanted WR Philly Brown to be sent to Siberia because he dropped a ton of passes, it was Cam who very publicly embraced him on the sideline after one particularly horrendous drop. Cam later publicly endorsed Brown. And Brown went on to have a very productive season, crediting in great part the faith his QB had in him.
In response to the one question Newton answered in full after the game, he talked about the team's many mistakes and included his own prominently in the statement. He didn't try to sidestep the blame.
There are many athletes who are very slick in front of the media but who are total scumbags. Newton is a notoriously sore loser. It is something he needs to get better at dealing with, but I would caution anybody against making knee-jerk judgments about a person's character based upon his deportment minutes after probably the most disappointing 4 hours of his life.
NEWTON'S PERFORMANCE:
He needed to take better care of the football under duress, obviously, and he needed to at least try to recover that late fumble. But considering how many passes were dropped, how poorly his line blocked, how many penalties his teammates committed, how his receivers couldn't get open and how poorly the running game did, I thought he did pretty well to account for 310 yards -- pretty much the team's entire total.
His fumbles occurred after complete blocking breakdowns, and his interception came on a pass that went right through Ted Ginn's hands, costing the Panthers a sure FG and possible TD.
Hell, if Cotchery simply catches the early pass, the Panthers have the ball near midfield and the sack/fumble/TD almost surely never happens. It's a totally different game. But yeah ... ifs and buts and all that.
CAM'S CELEBRATIONS:
I enjoyed them all season. They helped make a fun season even more fun for a Panthers fan. His giving footballs to little fans easily surpassed the Lambeau Leap for coolness, IMHO.
But, as others have said -- and I have said myself -- if you are going to be so demonstrative in victory, you really should handle defeat with more maturity. And you absolutely have to expect to be mocked and derided when you fail.
The Panthers dared opponents to keep them from celebrating: "If you don't like it, all you have to do is stop us." Well, the Broncos did.
MANNING'S LEGACY:
"Legacy" is one of the dopiest cliches in sports. Manning's positive legacy already was assured based upon his many achievements and his one championship. He didn't "need" this nearly as much as he "needed" the win over the Bears.
He did next to nothing to help the Broncos win this game. They would have done no worse with Osweiler or any of a dozen other NFL backups. Newton had a far better game under far more adverse conditions.
Trent Dilfer was a SB star compared to this.
So kudos to Peyton for getting a second ring, and I highly recommend he get the hell out before he gets killed.
DENVER'S D:
When my Panther buds and I talked in the days leading up to the game, I said my two biggest fears were that the O line wouldn't be able to keep Miller and Ware off of Cam and that the receivers would revert to their pass-dropping ways.
Unfortunately, both of those fears came true.
Couple those problems with the multitude of other mistakes -- Tolbert's fumble, Gano's missed FG and the stunning failure to tackle the punt returner -- and the Panthers basically committed sports suicide.
Obviously, though, the Broncos' D deserves big-time credit, and Von Miller was an extremely deserving MVP.
RON RIVERA:
Absolute class act, and thrilled to have him as Panthers coach.
Since dumping Rivera so he could promote his incompetent friend Babich to Bears DC, Lovie has been fired twice to cement his "legacy" as a loser. Karma's a bitch.
A good and pretty unbiased post given it's only 1 day after your team lost in the Super Bowl
What I'll say about my thinking $cam is a punk is that I've thought it well before his post game press conference. He was a punk in college, he's been a punk as a pro. A big part of that is what you touched on with publicly mocking teams for not being able to stop their celebrations and then acting like a little baby when a team does stop them from celebrating. But it also has to do with things like this:
http://www.wtvm.com/story/30625491/video-cam-newton-to-bama-heckler-ill-slapyou-for-180k-comment
I get it, it's not easy to always have a spotlight on you and to not have a moment of frustration, but that's part of being who you are, an MVP candidate and one of the biggest stars/faces of the NFL. You have to know that cameras are ALWAYS going to be on you in public. Telling a fan who mocked you at a big rivalry game that you're going to "slap the sh!t" out of him is a punk thing to do. It should come as no surprise that at an Alabama vs. Auburn football game, an Alabama fan would yell something at Cam walking by, and it should come as no surprise that his reaction was caught on camera.
I wonder if Eng things Rodgers would tell a fan he'll slap the sh!t out of a heckler at the Stanford vs. Cal game or rip down a sign in Lambeau Field if a Panther fan hung a sign on the tunnel.
He certainly does seem to be great with young fans of his, which is truly awesome, but he also does things like rip down other fans signs if they aren't about him, etc. Again, a punk move.
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He certainly does seem to be great with young fans of his, which is truly awesome, but he also does things like rip down other fans signs if they aren't about him, etc. Again, a punk move.
He didn't want an opposing team's sign in his home stadium so he tore it down. It had nothing to do with the sign not being about him. If a Packer player did that, GB fans would think it was awesome. Rodgers wouldn't do it though because he's far too image-conscious.
Honestly, I feel like you simply don't like Cam so you're trying to find reasons to justify it.
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I just love media narratives. Peyton is held up as this stand up guy because he is good at PR (he's kind of a douche nozzle in his personal life) while Cam is just who he is and gets skewered by the media because he doesn't behave in a manner that "we" think he should.
I get it, Cam brought it on himself, if you are going to be flamboyant in victory you gotta be humble in defeat but I couldn't care less about his post conference behavior. If Cam was flipped with Rodgers, wonder how many of the Packer fans on the board would be calling A-a-ron out like this.
I've worked with the Mannings for a decade because of his relationship with Directv. Never came across as a douche nozzle. We spend days with these guys on shoots, etc.
Just my two cents. I was cheering for him to win and I can tell you being in that stadium it felt 80% were behind him and the Broncos.
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Honestly, based upon the trancript (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14737633/transcript-cam-newton-postgame-comments-nfl) of Newton at the presser, I can't fault him for what he said. He shouldn't have walked out, but his answers -- as difficult to hear as they were -- weren't bad for a losing QB. And they showed the humility of basically admitting that they got their asses kicked.
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I'm actually surprised at the Cotchery catch controversy. We can all argue about the rule but like 82 said I said "No catch' after seeing it once. The nose of the football impacted the ground causing it to ride up onto his hip in an 'uncontrolled' fashion. It had been called incomplete on the field. And we did not have a view of his controlling hand remaining firmly on the ball during that time. To overturn you'd need video evidence of him actually controlling it continuously through the process. None exists. Call on the field stands.
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I've worked with the Mannings for a decade because of his relationship with Directv. Never came across as a douche nozzle. We spend days with these guys on shoots, etc.
Just my two cents. I was cheering for him to win and I can tell you being in that stadium it felt 80% were behind him and the Broncos.
I think he was specifically referring to his marital extra-curriculars which are widely known. My old coworkers on Gatorade had plenty of stories from his Indy days. Does that make him a douche nozzle, especially if there was an understanding with his wife as has been often mentioned? Well, that's gonna vary from person to person.
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A good and pretty unbiased post given it's only 1 day after your team lost in the Super Bowl
What I'll say about my thinking $cam is a punk is that I've thought it well before his post game press conference. He was a punk in college, he's been a punk as a pro. A big part of that is what you touched on with publicly mocking teams for not being able to stop their celebrations and then acting like a little baby when a team does stop them from celebrating. But it also has to do with things like this:
http://www.wtvm.com/story/30625491/video-cam-newton-to-bama-heckler-ill-slapyou-for-180k-comment
I get it, it's not easy to always have a spotlight on you and to not have a moment of frustration, but that's part of being who you are, an MVP candidate and one of the biggest stars/faces of the NFL. You have to know that cameras are ALWAYS going to be on you in public. Telling a fan who mocked you at a big rivalry game that you're going to "slap the sh!t" out of him is a punk thing to do. It should come as no surprise that at an Alabama vs. Auburn football game, an Alabama fan would yell something at Cam walking by, and it should come as no surprise that his reaction was caught on camera.
I wonder if Eng things Rodgers would tell a fan he'll slap the sh!t out of a heckler at the Stanford vs. Cal game or rip down a sign in Lambeau Field if a Panther fan hung a sign on the tunnel.
He certainly does seem to be great with young fans of his, which is truly awesome, but he also does things like rip down other fans signs if they aren't about him, etc. Again, a punk move.
I still think it is wrong to make judgments based on a couple of rather minor things over his 5-year pro career, but I know it's human nature to do so, and I've been guilty of it myself.
When I think of "punks" to have played QB in the NFL in the last couple decades, I think of Manziel, Leaf, McNown, McMahon, Vick, etc.
From all I know about Cam, which is a lot, he has more class in his pinky than guys like that have ever had. And more than most of today's stars, too.
It doesn't mean he can't work to be a better man. We all can. (Or in the case of chick, a better chick!)
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Drew Magary has a pretty entertaining take:
http://deadspin.com/peyton-manning-can-eat-crap-1757781250
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He didn't want an opposing team's sign in his home stadium so he tore it down. It had nothing to do with the sign not being about him. If a Packer player did that, GB fans would think it was awesome. Rodgers wouldn't do it though because he's far too image-conscious.
Honestly, I feel like you simply don't like Cam so you're trying to find reasons to justify it.
Okay he tore a sign down because it was an opposing team's sign. That doesn't make it any better. That's a punk move and I'd call it a punk move if it were $cam, Rodgers, Manning, Haha Clinton Dix, Josh Sitton, anyone. It's a flat out punk move.
I actually liked $cam for most of his time in college. Then I realized he was a punk (not a criminal like the guys 82 mentions, there's a difference between a punk and a criminal).
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Okay he tore a sign down because it was an opposing team's sign. That doesn't make it any better. That's a punk move and I'd call it a punk move if it were $cam, Rodgers, Manning, Haha Clinton Dix, Josh Sitton, anyone. It's a flat out punk move.
I actually liked $cam for most of his time in college. Then I realized he was a punk (not a criminal like the guys 82 mentions, there's a difference between a punk and a criminal).
So, do you not like Clay Matthews? He's a world class punk.
Rodgers is an overly-sensitive, aloof douche who cares strongly about his personal statistics. Is that better than being a punk?
I just want to see where you draw the line ;)
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I don't have any problem with his press conference. It's who he is, has been and likely will be.
The real issue is not going for that fumble. He backed away from it! Down 1 score late in the super bowl? Fight for that ball.
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Looking at the actual language in the NFL rules on complete/incomplete is confusing. I guess I shouldn't be surprised because everyone knows that the NFL can't get it straight on what is a catch or not - this isn't a new problem. Part of the problem in this case is that there seem to be two rules that could apply because Cotchery lost control of the ball twice and then regained control twice with the ball arguably touching the ground in between.
Rule 8; Section 1 ("Forward Pass"); Article 3 ("Completed or Intercepted Pass"); Item 1 ("Player Going to the Ground"): "...If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
This rule makes it seem like a catch. Cotchery had control; then he lost control of the ball but regained control as he rolled over prior to the ball touching the ground (it never did touch the ground after he rolled over - there was conclusive footage of that). But this isn't the specific rule for when the ball touches the ground. That comes later. This is the rule for if the player hits the ground and loses control, it's still a catch if the ball never hits the ground.
Rule 8; Section 1 ("Forward Pass"); Article 3 ("Completed or Intercepted Pass"); Item 4 ("Ball Touches the Ground"): If the ball touches the ground after the player secures control of it, it is a catch, provided the player continues to maintain control.
I think this rule leads to a different conclusion. Cotchery initially bobbled and then gained control. When he hit the ground, the ball touched the ground and he lost control and bobbled it as he was rolling over. Under this rule, that makes it seem like it is not a catch because he did not continue to maintain control after it touched the ground. I'm not sure that the fact that he regained control before it hit the ground again saves the catch. I assume -- and that's all it is, my assumption -- that this was the basis of the call.
I still thought it was going to be overturned, but I think a lot of the confusion is from focusing on the every end of the play (that he didn't let it hit the ground "again") and not the first part of the play (when the ball did appear to hit the ground -- or at least it was not conclusive).
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So, do you not like Clay Matthews? He's a world class punk.
Rodgers is an overly-sensitive, aloof douche who cares strongly about his personal statistics. Is that better than being a punk?
I just want to see where you draw the line ;)
Clay Matthews is a punk? For what? He's a pretty boy, but I'm not sure that being a pretty boy makes somebody a "world class punk."
Yes, caring about personal statistics is better than being a punk lol. I can accept a quarterback being willing to take a sack over throwing a pick more than I can accept a quarterback telling a heckler he's going to "smack the sh!t" out of him or tearing down a sign a fan made lol. Guess that makes me a fanboy of Rodgers's :o
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Clay Matthews is a punk? For what? He's a pretty boy, but I'm not sure that being a pretty boy makes somebody a "world class punk."
Yes, caring about personal statistics is better than being a punk lol. I can accept a quarterback being willing to take a sack over throwing a pick more than I can accept a quarterback telling a heckler he's going to "smack the sh!t" out of him or tearing down a sign a fan made lol. Guess that makes me a fanboy of Rodgers's :o
Thanks. This answers my question.
Packers = Good
Non-Packers who are talented = Bad
Got it.
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Thanks. This answers my question.
Packers = Good
Non-Packers who are talented = Bad
Got it.
Lolololol. So good.
Your turn. What makes Clay Matthews a "world class punk?"
Taking a sack = as bad as telling a heckler you'll smack the sh!t out of them or ripping down personal property?
Got it.
Talk about an apples to oranges comparison. Holy cow lol.
I think Letroy Guillon's a POS. I think Andrew Quarless is hilariously an idiot for shooting a gun and trying to hide behind a palm tree.
Uh oh, there goes your theory! :o
When a Packer does something stupid beyond *GASP!* taking a sack or *GASP* telling Collin Kaepernik he "ain't no Russell Wilson, bro" I might have a problem with it. But spraying a little water in your hair doesn't make you a punk, sorry. Has nothing to do with the team you're on.
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Bill Romanowski must be a Packers fan, ai'na?
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I've worked with the Mannings for a decade because of his relationship with Directv. Never came across as a douche nozzle. We spend days with these guys on shoots, etc.
Just my two cents. I was cheering for him to win and I can tell you being in that stadium it felt 80% were behind him and the Broncos.
I shudder when people speak of St. Peyton. I have heard he is a pretty dull guy, actually. As you can imagine, I have a lot of friends who are airline pilots. And the stupid stuff some of those guys do despite being married is shameless. They are my friends but I don't have to live with them. And I would never characterize them as model husbands as the public does with Peyton Manning. And if any of them ever started hanging around my sisters or daughter I would cut their balls off.
Eli, on the other hand, is a complete dick. I have heard that from several friends who live in NYC.
I live near Russell Wilson and will say that he is a really normal, down to earth guy. I see him all the time, more so before his wife left him for Golden Tate, and he is just a regular guy at the Safeway, Top Pot, or Starbucks.
I think what these guys do on the field is extraordinary. But to act like an ass in a restaurant because you play football is absurd. We have guys on Scoop doing God's work at the Mayo Clinic and in advanced neurological research. If anyone should feel a sense of entitlement it is those guys.
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Lolololol. So good.
Your turn. What makes Clay Matthews a "world class punk?"
Taking a sack = as bad as telling a heckler you'll smack the sh!t out of them or ripping down personal property?
Got it.
Talk about an apples to oranges comparison. Holy cow lol.
I think Letroy Guillon's a POS. I think Andrew Quarless is hilariously an idiot for shooting a gun and trying to hide behind a palm tree.
Uh oh, there goes your theory! :o
When a Packer does something stupid beyond *GASP!* taking a sack or *GASP* telling Collin Kaepernik he "ain't no Russell Wilson, bro" I might have a problem with it. But spraying a little water in your hair doesn't make you a punk, sorry. Has nothing to do with the team you're on.
Sigh...
As you've proven time and time and time and time again on the NFL thread, when it comes to football, you tend to veer into meathead territory where impartiality is a foreign concept so I'm going to let this go. That way other posters can get back to discussing the actual Super Bowl and not your angry, biased opinions of certain players.
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I think what these guys do on the field is extraordinary. But to act like an ass in a restaurant because you play football is absurd. We have guys on Scoop doing God's work at the Mayo Clinic and in advanced neurological research. If anyone should feel a sense of entitlement it is those guys.
Yes, because there's no more humble group of people than doctors.
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Oh great, it's turned into a Packers discussion. This ought to go well.
Not sure why people care so much about what Cam said at the press conference. When pro sports becomes a competition about which team has more "bad guys" on it, then we are all going to lose. Every single team has guys who are obnoxious and guys who have lived less than stellar lives. And really, if you want, you can find a reason do dislike them pretty easy. Rodgers spent part of his post game conference complaining that he didn't get to recall the coin flip. It was ridiculous. But who cares. A bunch of people probably would have done that. There is one reason and one reason only that I don't like him: he repeatedly beats the team I like. Questioning player character is a wormhole.
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Sigh...
As you've proven time and time and time and time again on the NFL thread, when it comes to football, you tend to veer into meathead territory where impartiality is a foreign concept so I'm going to let this go. That way other posters can get back to discussing the actual Super Bowl and not your angry, biased opinions of certain players.
Conveniently quit the "argument" when you're asked to clarify things that quite simply can't be clarified but put the blame on the other person in the argument. Classic.
Good talk, then.
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Conveniently quit the "argument" when you're asked to clarify things that quite simply can't be clarified but put the blame on the other person in the argument. Classic.
Good talk, then.
You refuse to acknowledge the obvious and then claim victory when I don't feeling like rationally spelling things out to you, an irrational fan.
Classic.
Enjoy your Monday.
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You refuse to acknowledge the obvious and then claim victory when I don't feeling like rationally spelling things out to you, an irrational fan.
Classic.
Enjoy your Monday.
You asked me questions. I answered. I asked you questions. You refused to answer, because the answer won't fit your agenda. Again, classic.
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Okay he tore a sign down because it was an opposing team's sign. That doesn't make it any better. That's a punk move and I'd call it a punk move if it were $cam, Rodgers, Manning, Haha Clinton Dix, Josh Sitton, anyone. It's a flat out punk move.
I actually liked $cam for most of his time in college. Then I realized he was a punk (not a criminal like the guys 82 mentions, there's a difference between a punk and a criminal).
You have formed your opinion on Cam, and nothing he has done as a pro or will do for the next decade will convince you otherwise. That is your right.
It is also your right to define "punk" however is convenient for you to confirm your opinions.
From what I know of Newton, I maintain that he's a "better guy" than many NFL players who are revered. You can disagree. And we can leave it there because it's silly to argue when common ground is impossible to find.
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Yes, because there's no more humble group of people than doctors.
I have worked with physicians in the field of clinical research and drug discovery and development. Some can be jerks but all of them are doing magnificent work aimed at improving patient care.
But that wasn't my point.
I don't understand the asinine behavior of some professional athletes which is justified by their celebrity status. I personally witnessed Richard Sherman explode in a Seattle restaurant. Frankly, I had no idea who he was but all he did was disrupt what was otherwise a very pleasant dinner among friends.
But to your comment - there are Scoopers who contribute to advancing our understanding of patient care through their work at the Mayo Clinic or in the field of neurological science. My take is that these are the real rock stars of society; there is nothing more noble. Your comment seems to trivialize their contributions and value to society.
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But to your comment - there are Scoopers who contribute to advancing our understanding of patient care through their work at the Mayo Clinic or in the field of neurological science. My take is that these are the real rock stars of society; there is nothing more noble. Your comment seems to trivialize their contributions and value to society.
My post was in response to your comment "If anyone should feel a sense of entitlement it is those guys." That gives the impression that doctors rarely feel a sense of entitlement, which just isn't true. Obviously it's not true across the board but stating that a group of people stereotypical has arrogance is not in any way, shape or form trivializing their value to society.
I have 3 good friends who are all doctors. One of them is as humble as can be. The other two might as well wear stethoscopes around their necks at all times so that they don't have to find a way to fit their MD status into every conversation and try to work it in their favor (a point that we often tease them about). That said, I have a great amount of respect for what they do and am amazed at their accomplishments...but it doesn't mean that I won't call them out for their sense of entitlement when it seems fit.
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That was rather odd. Obviously he was getting paid to shill that sh1t beer.
I hope Manning retires. Manning gets a lot of press for being a 'good guy' but he has been brazen about his extra-marital activities.
And Eli? That punk has been a dick his entire life but his entry to the NFL, warning the Chargers against drafting him, merely reinforced his ridiculous sense of entitlement..
Nope, not paid at all. That's been Peyton's beer for a long time. My wife gave him crap about it in 2001 at the QB Challenge in Kauai where you literally hang out with the families for 4 or 5 days at a remote resort. No fans to worry about. My wife always called Budweiser "buttwiper" and he laughed pretty good at it.
But that was him just being him.
As for Eli, again....I think if people got to know some of these folks they would speak differently of them.
An old photo of one of the shoots we did years ago with the family...we did many of them. Good family. If anything, some are turned off by their polish or media savvy...I get it. I'm just saying when you get to know them, when their guard is down, they are good dudes.
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12688371_10153270905692601_8090305042722021409_n.jpg?oh=60823e006e7fa6434c216d9e50c6b46b&oe=576EB8F2)
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My perspective from the game
80% Broncos fans. I knew two weeks ago it would be heavily favored Denver fans, but didn't think it would be that high. As loud a Super Bowl for one team as I have ever been to. Super Bowl 47 with the Pats and Giants was loud, but both teams represented well.
I did sit next to two Panthers fans...they were very classy. Nice guys. Interesting observation (I'm sure some will read into it more than it needs to, but it was interesting to me). Both of these Panther fans were African American, both had Panther jerseys, neither wore a Newton jersey....guy next to me wore a Luke Kuechly jersey. During the game, he had some choice words for Cam. I finally asked him, are you a Cam fan or just like the defense. He was not much of a Cam fan by his comments. Again, I found it interesting. The number of Manning jerseys was insane, probably 85%. Some Miller, some Ware...a few Dallas Cowboys Ware jerseys also.
When Newton was shown pregame, a ton of boos. Only person in the stadium that got more boos was Tom Brady who was really killed.
Halftime performance...eh....I like Coldplay, but when I heard last month they were the band it made me question why.
Blue Angels flyover was nice, national anthem done well and tastefully by Lady Gaga.
The game....offense be damned. The seats we had about the 30 yard line and up a bit, so you could see everything very well. Denver's team speed and their D-Line was really impressive. Peyton did very little, he just didn't hurt them. Newton looked off all day. Rivera, stuck to the running game too long. Why he challenged that second call none of us could understand that...dumb. The catch or no catch. The ref that was right next to it didn't rule as he clearly didn't know, the back judge ruled it incomplete. They showed it on the two large screens, and most people in the stands around us felt like it would have been really tough to overturn the call on the field. If it was called a catch on the field, it would have stuck. If called an incomplete, would have stuck.
Overall, I was happy as I wanted Manning to win. I don't dislike Cam, think he is a phenomenal athlete. That being said, I also understand that people have no problem cheering against people they deem arrogant or rubbing it in. Actually felt some of the Broncos acted that way during the game, but I guess they have the trophy so they get that opportunity.
Final comment was from the Carolina fans next to me. They were getting really nervous early in the second quarter. They knew. He turned to me and said, "we don't have it today. We can't stop their penetration and we look shell shocked." I told him it's only the 2nd quarter and he said, "No, I'm telling you this is the worst I have seen this team all year. It's like we aren't even the same team". He was right.
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Game question .. anyone notice at the very end .. IIRC the clock stopped with 11 seconds on the clock because of a penalty .. don't recall the penalty, but there was a 10 second run-off .. which would have left 1 second for one more play.
But .. on TV they just kept showing Manning .. then suddenly "ok, game's over."
Did Carolina run a play at the end and TV missed it? Or did the refs just call it?
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My perspective from the game
80% Broncos fans. I knew two weeks ago it would be heavily favored Denver fans, but didn't think it would be that high. As loud a Super Bowl for one team as I have ever been to. Super Bowl 47 with the Pats and Giants was loud, but both teams represented well.
I did sit next to two Panthers fans...they were very classy. Nice guys. Interesting observation (I'm sure some will read into it more than it needs to, but it was interesting to me). Both of these Panther fans were African American, both had Panther jerseys, neither wore a Newton jersey....guy next to me wore a Luke Kuechly jersey. During the game, he had some choice words for Cam. I finally asked him, are you a Cam fan or just like the defense. He was not much of a Cam fan by his comments. Again, I found it interesting. The number of Manning jerseys was insane, probably 85%. Some Miller, some Ware...a few Dallas Cowboys Ware jerseys also.
When Newton was shown pregame, a ton of boos. Only person in the stadium that got more boos was Tom Brady who was really killed.
Halftime performance...eh....I like Coldplay, but when I heard last month they were the band it made me question why.
Blue Angels flyover was nice, national anthem done well and tastefully by Lady Gaga.
The game....offense be damned. The seats we had about the 30 yard line and up a bit, so you could see everything very well. Denver's team speed and their D-Line was really impressive. Peyton did very little, he just didn't hurt them. Newton looked off all day. Rivera, stuck to the running game too long. Why he challenged that second call none of us could understand that...dumb. The catch or no catch. The ref that was right next to it didn't rule as he clearly didn't know, the back judge ruled it incomplete. They showed it on the two large screens, and most people in the stands around us felt like it would have been really tough to overturn the call on the field. If it was called a catch on the field, it would have stuck. If called an incomplete, would have stuck.
Overall, I was happy as I wanted Manning to win. I don't dislike Cam, think he is a phenomenal athlete. That being said, I also understand that people have no problem cheering against people they deem arrogant or rubbing it in. Actually felt some of the Broncos acted that way during the game, but I guess they have the trophy so they get that opportunity.
Final comment was from the Carolina fans next to me. They were getting really nervous early in the second quarter. They knew. He turned to me and said, "we don't have it today. We can't stop their penetration and we look shell shocked." I told him it's only the 2nd quarter and he said, "No, I'm telling you this is the worst I have seen this team all year. It's like we aren't even the same team". He was right.
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very nicely done-i could imagine the mannings being pretty cool-loved his united way skit and the little kids football-they say he was really uncomfortable about hitting the kids with the ball even though it was a nerf football
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25246417/archie-manning-peyton-refused-to-hit-kids-with-football-for-snl-sketch
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Game question .. anyone notice at the very end .. IIRC the clock stopped with 11 seconds on the clock because of a penalty .. don't recall the penalty, but there was a 10 second run-off .. which would have left 1 second for one more play.
But .. on TV they just kept showing Manning .. then suddenly "ok, game's over."
Did Carolina run a play at the end and TV missed it? Or did the refs just call it?
The result of the play should have kept the clock running, but it stopped for the penalty. It was cut off by Nance carrying on about Manning but the ref said 10 second run off and the clock will restart on ready for play meaning there was one second and Carolina couldn't snap it in that time so it just ran off to end the game.
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Game question .. anyone notice at the very end .. IIRC the clock stopped with 11 seconds on the clock because of a penalty .. don't recall the penalty, but there was a 10 second run-off .. which would have left 1 second for one more play.
But .. on TV they just kept showing Manning .. then suddenly "ok, game's over."
Did Carolina run a play at the end and TV missed it? Or did the refs just call it?
We were saying the same thing in the stadium. They basically just said...that's it.
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/peyton-manning-handed-budweiser-32-million-in-free-ads-after-the-super-bowl-2016-02-08
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Nope, not paid at all. That's been Peyton's beer for a long time. My wife gave him crap about it in 2001 at the QB Challenge in Kauai where you literally hang out with the families for 4 or 5 days at a remote resort. No fans to worry about. My wife always called Budweiser "buttwiper" and he laughed pretty good at it.
Well never mind the fact that Peyton owns 2 Budweiser distributors.
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The result of the play should have kept the clock running, but it stopped for the penalty. It was cut off by Nance carrying on about Manning but the ref said 10 second run off and the clock will restart on ready for play meaning there was one second and Carolina couldn't snap it in that time so it just ran off to end the game.
So .. the clock keeps running after a penalty? That .. doesn't sound right. I mean, the 10 second run-off is meant to penalize the concept that a team wants to stop the clock without a time-out. Starting the clock later at some arbitrary time seems .. unfair.
"Better be ready to snap once you see the clock start again" ?
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Tough week for Cam on the tax front as well.
California......
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2016/02/03/california-taxes-will-eat-up-all-of-cam-newtons-super-bowl-earnings/#10df754150a6
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Well never mind the fact that Peyton owns 2 Budweiser distributors.
Yup, he likes the beer. I believe he is a partial owner.
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very nicely done-i could imagine the mannings being pretty cool-loved his united way skit and the little kids football-they say he was really uncomfortable about hitting the kids with the ball even though it was a nerf football
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25246417/archie-manning-peyton-refused-to-hit-kids-with-football-for-snl-sketch
He's definitely uptight, but so is Archie. That's just how the family is and were raised. Boring, but productive. Archie's wife is wonderful, but she runs a tight ship, and they were raised a certain way for sure. Cooper, included.
As for the adultery stuff, I don't know. Maybe. Rumors out there, but it's not like this guy isn't easy to spot by everyone in town.
Just wish I brought my Canon with me. This is the first Super Bowl since 2001 that I didn't have a nice camera with me. I had to walk so damn far where I parked to the stadium, I was afraid they wouldn't let me in with it, but being an outdoor stadium and the golden light late evening would have been nice. Instead it was iPhone only.
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Disappointing day. Panthers' defense played admirably. Their D played better ... and WAY better than the Panthers' offense.
And believe it or not, I was by far the calmest of the 8 people at the little gathering we had at our house to watch the game. F-bombs were flying ... and that was mostly from the women. And I am totally serious about that.
One of my friend's wives said the F-word so often it was quite comical, as if somebody was doing a parody of a 4-foot-8, 85-pound, 65-year-old Jewish woman screaming F-bombs.
"What's your favorite swear word, Rose?"
"F_ck, I don't know."
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Talib could have been ejected for that face mask.
One of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen. Not Charles Martin, but really,really bad.
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Looking at the actual language in the NFL rules on complete/incomplete is confusing. I guess I shouldn't be surprised because everyone knows that the NFL can't get it straight on what is a catch or not - this isn't a new problem. Part of the problem in this case is that there seem to be two rules that could apply because Cotchery lost control of the ball twice and then regained control twice with the ball arguably touching the ground in between.
Rule 8; Section 1 ("Forward Pass"); Article 3 ("Completed or Intercepted Pass"); Item 1 ("Player Going to the Ground"): "...If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
This rule makes it seem like a catch. Cotchery had control; then he lost control of the ball but regained control as he rolled over prior to the ball touching the ground (it never did touch the ground after he rolled over - there was conclusive footage of that). But this isn't the specific rule for when the ball touches the ground. That comes later. This is the rule for if the player hits the ground and loses control, it's still a catch if the ball never hits the ground.
Rule 8; Section 1 ("Forward Pass"); Article 3 ("Completed or Intercepted Pass"); Item 4 ("Ball Touches the Ground"): If the ball touches the ground after the player secures control of it, it is a catch, provided the player continues to maintain control.
I think this rule leads to a different conclusion. Cotchery initially bobbled and then gained control. When he hit the ground, the ball touched the ground and he lost control and bobbled it as he was rolling over. Under this rule, that makes it seem like it is not a catch because he did not continue to maintain control after it touched the ground. I'm not sure that the fact that he regained control before it hit the ground again saves the catch. I assume -- and that's all it is, my assumption -- that this was the basis of the call.
I still thought it was going to be overturned, but I think a lot of the confusion is from focusing on the every end of the play (that he didn't let it hit the ground "again") and not the first part of the play (when the ball did appear to hit the ground -- or at least it was not conclusive).
In this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t66MVYR1GkU) Fox's replay official explains why he thinks the refs got the call right. Clearly, his focus is on the ball contacting the ground and the ensuing loss of control, which is the second of the two rules quoted above. It's pretty clear from his comments that he thinks that ends the question and what happens after that (i.e., he regains control and prevents the ball from hitting the ground again) is irrelevant.
The video has a pretty good still shot that I thinks pretty much puts to rest the question of whether the ball touched the ground. I suppose others might see it differently.
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My perspective from the game
80% Broncos fans. I knew two weeks ago it would be heavily favored Denver fans, but didn't think it would be that high. As loud a Super Bowl for one team as I have ever been to. Super Bowl 47 with the Pats and Giants was loud, but both teams represented well.
I did sit next to two Panthers fans...they were very classy. Nice guys. Interesting observation (I'm sure some will read into it more than it needs to, but it was interesting to me). Both of these Panther fans were African American, both had Panther jerseys, neither wore a Newton jersey....guy next to me wore a Luke Kuechly jersey. During the game, he had some choice words for Cam. I finally asked him, are you a Cam fan or just like the defense. He was not much of a Cam fan by his comments. Again, I found it interesting. The number of Manning jerseys was insane, probably 85%. Some Miller, some Ware...a few Dallas Cowboys Ware jerseys also.
When Newton was shown pregame, a ton of boos. Only person in the stadium that got more boos was Tom Brady who was really killed.
Halftime performance...eh....I like Coldplay, but when I heard last month they were the band it made me question why.
Blue Angels flyover was nice, national anthem done well and tastefully by Lady Gaga.
The game....offense be damned. The seats we had about the 30 yard line and up a bit, so you could see everything very well. Denver's team speed and their D-Line was really impressive. Peyton did very little, he just didn't hurt them. Newton looked off all day. Rivera, stuck to the running game too long. Why he challenged that second call none of us could understand that...dumb. The catch or no catch. The ref that was right next to it didn't rule as he clearly didn't know, the back judge ruled it incomplete. They showed it on the two large screens, and most people in the stands around us felt like it would have been really tough to overturn the call on the field. If it was called a catch on the field, it would have stuck. If called an incomplete, would have stuck.
Overall, I was happy as I wanted Manning to win. I don't dislike Cam, think he is a phenomenal athlete. That being said, I also understand that people have no problem cheering against people they deem arrogant or rubbing it in. Actually felt some of the Broncos acted that way during the game, but I guess they have the trophy so they get that opportunity.
Final comment was from the Carolina fans next to me. They were getting really nervous early in the second quarter. They knew. He turned to me and said, "we don't have it today. We can't stop their penetration and we look shell shocked." I told him it's only the 2nd quarter and he said, "No, I'm telling you this is the worst I have seen this team all year. It's like we aren't even the same team". He was right.
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Wondering if you know why so many Packers fans would be in the stadium?
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Wondering if you know why so many Packers fans would be in the stadium?
Not sure I understand? At any rate, there were a few. My son wore his Clay Matthews jersey and we ran into some dude dressed like Pope Vince Lombardi which I have seen at other games. Those were the only Packers fans I saw.
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Not sure I understand? At any rate, there were a few. My son wore his Clay Matthews jersey and we ran into some dude dressed like Pope Vince Lombardi which I have seen at other games. Those were the only Packers fans I saw.
;)
According to some here only meathead Packers fans would ever boo $cam Newton. You know, he's a talented quarterback who we are just envious of and in reality just wish our own quarterback would rip down opposing team's fans' signs in Lambeau and tell hecklers that he's going to "smack the sh!t" out of them while taking less sacks and throwing more picks. :o
And how in the world could you allow your son to wear the jersey of such a world class jerk?! (of which nobody seems to be able to provide any reason for that...)
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According to some here only meathead Packers fans would ever boo $cam Newton. You know, he's a talented quarterback who we are just envious of and in reality just wish our own quarterback would rip down opposing team's fans' signs in Lambeau and tell hecklers that he's going to "smack the sh!t" out of them while taking less sacks and throwing more picks. :o
And how in the world could you allow your son to wear the jersey of such a world class jerk?! (of which nobody seems to be able to provide any reason for that...)
Ahh, got it.
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I did sit next to two Panthers fans...they were very classy. Nice guys. Interesting observation (I'm sure some will read into it more than it needs to, but it was interesting to me). Both of these Panther fans were African American, both had Panther jerseys, neither wore a Newton jersey....guy next to me wore a Luke Kuechly jersey. During the game, he had some choice words for Cam. I finally asked him, are you a Cam fan or just like the defense. He was not much of a Cam fan by his comments. Again, I found it interesting.
I find it interesting, too, and I'm not reading anything into it. Two Panthers fans who apparently don't like Cam. There are some out there. In my experience, most are white but not surprised that some are black.
I refereed a total of 18 youth basketball games the last two weekends. I worked with five different partners. Four of them were black. We of course discussed the Panthers. All four of them sang Cam's praises. They love him.
Which proves nothing, really.
I'm quite Caucasian. Big Cam fan. Which also proves nothing.
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According to some here only meathead Packers fans would ever boo $cam Newton. You know, he's a talented quarterback who we are just envious of and in reality just wish our own quarterback would rip down opposing team's fans' signs in Lambeau and tell hecklers that he's going to "smack the sh!t" out of them while taking less sacks and throwing more picks. :o
And how in the world could you allow your son to wear the jersey of such a world class jerk?! (of which nobody seems to be able to provide any reason for that...)
Let it go, man. No one said any of those specific things. Your angry, fabricated, irrational rants are doing nothing to dispel the notion that you tend to go on angry, fabricated, irrational rants when it comes to football.
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Let it go, man. No one said any of those specific things. Your angry, fabricated, irrational rants are doing nothing to dispel the notion that you tend to go on angry, fabricated, irrational rants when it comes to football.
Angry and irrational? For answering the questions that were asked? And then asking some of my own? Seems like the only irrational thing there would be to not answer the questions that I was asked...
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Clay Matthews is a punk? For what? He's a pretty boy, but I'm not sure that being a pretty boy makes somebody a "world class punk."
Yes, caring about personal statistics is better than being a punk lol. I can accept a quarterback being willing to take a sack over throwing a pick more than I can accept a quarterback telling a heckler he's going to "smack the sh!t" out of him or tearing down a sign a fan made lol. Guess that makes me a fanboy of Rodgers's :o
This = angry and irrational (answering the questions that you asked).
Thanks. This answers my question.
Packers = Good
Non-Packers who are talented = Bad
Got it.
This = rational and level headed (aka avoiding the questions you were asked because there really is no rational explanation).
I'm still trying to figure out what makes Clay Matthews a "world class punk." And why in the world I would ever "love" (your words) a Packers player ripping down an opposing team's fan's sign in Lambeau. That's a punk move. But I'm an irrational meathead Packers fan.
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I find it interesting, too, and I'm not reading anything into it. Two Panthers fans who apparently don't like Cam. There are some out there. In my experience, most are white but not surprised that some are black.
I refereed a total of 18 youth basketball games the last two weekends. I worked with five different partners. Four of them were black. We of course discussed the Panthers. All four of them sang Cam's praises. They love him.
Which proves nothing, really.
I'm quite Caucasian. Big Cam fan. Which also proves nothing.
I find it interesting that Chico finds it interesting that there were 2 black guys rooting for Carolina who weren't wearing Cam Newton jerseys. And I find it also interesting that Chico finds it interesting that as the game unfolded and Newton played poorly and Carolina stumbled towards defeat these same two black dudes became frustrated, even angry (OMG!) with Cam. Who woulda thunk it?
Interesting what some people find interesting. Interesting and informative.
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I find it interesting, too, and I'm not reading anything into it. Two Panthers fans who apparently don't like Cam. There are some out there. In my experience, most are white but not surprised that some are black.
I refereed a total of 18 youth basketball games the last two weekends. I worked with five different partners. Four of them were black. We of course discussed the Panthers. All four of them sang Cam's praises. They love him.
Which proves nothing, really.
I'm quite Caucasian. Big Cam fan. Which also proves nothing.
Actually, I think this proves you're reffing too many youth basketball games. Hope they're old enough to be decent.
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Actually, I think this proves you're reffing too many youth basketball games. Hope they're old enough to be decent.
Most Saturdays and Sundays, I do 3 or 4. They only last about an hour each, and most of the times they are at least 11 years old so there are some good players (and some not-so-good). I do occasionally ref the "littles" -- either 7 or 8 year olds. They are pretty funny to watch.
On "Pro Bowl Sunday" (for lack of better descriptor), my coordinator needed me to do 7 games. By the 7th, I was pretty wiped out and I imagine it wasn't my best outing. Thankfully, it was a blowout, so any mess-ups weren't magnified. Hard to blame the refs when you lose 52-6.
Based on what I've seen of my peers in the leagues I work, I think I'm a pretty good ref. But yes, if I were REALLY good, I wouldn't be calling for a bunch of 11 year olds!
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Most Saturdays and Sundays, I do 3 or 4. They only last about an hour each, and most of the times they are at least 11 years old so there are some good players (and some not-so-good). I do occasionally ref the "littles" -- either 7 or 8 year olds. They are pretty funny to watch.
On "Pro Bowl Sunday" (for lack of better descriptor), my coordinator needed me to do 7 games. By the 7th, I was pretty wiped out and I imagine it wasn't my best outing. Thankfully, it was a blowout, so any mess-ups weren't magnified. Hard to blame the refs when you lose 52-6.
Based on what I've seen of my peers in the leagues I work, I think I'm a pretty good ref. But yes, if I were REALLY good, I wouldn't be calling for a bunch of 11 year olds!
Give us the inside scoop on how often you refs have been asked to fix games
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On "Pro Bowl Sunday" (for lack of better descriptor), my coordinator needed me to do 7 games. By the 7th, I was pretty wiped out and I imagine it wasn't my best outing. Thankfully, it was a blowout, so any mess-ups weren't magnified. Hard to blame the refs when you lose 52-6.
I wonder if there's any truth to the rumor that MU has a nonconference game next season against the team that scored 6?
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Yeah so much for the "matured" Cam Newton. The fact of the matter is he's still a punk who just happened to be winning, so he happened to be more upbeat than he was in the past. Nothing about him changed besides he was winning.
The difference is you were a 14-18 year old kid who wasn't pretending to be a changed man and talking about how misunderstood you are because of your race, and you weren't getting paid millions of dollars to, in part, do press conferences. $cam is a 26 year old man who wanted everyone to believe he had matured beyond exactly what he showed last night. If that was the case, he would've handled it like all the other Carolina players who were upset after losing the biggest game of their careers.
I completely agree with this . I have had personal dealings with Cam which support this notion. An arrogant self involved punk who has been coddled his whole life who thinks the rules don't apply to him.
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Two things that I am ABSOLUTE AMAZED with I this topic.
1. Wades has a cute nickname for Cam Newton and is full of hot takes and opinions about the guy based on him leaving a press conference. (Oh no!!!!).
2. Chicos was rooting for Peyton Manning. The epitome of dull, white conservatism. If Manning were a piece of clothing, he'd be a pair of sensible khakis.
Of course we have all seen that meme now where Peyton was the one who left the field after losing to the Saints without shaking hands with anyone while Cam actually stuck around to shake hands with the Broncos including Manning.
But Cam is a punk and Peyton is the epitome of class. (HGH be damned.)
My guess is the truth is in the middle with both of them.
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Two things that I am ABSOLUTE AMAZED with I this topic.
1. Wades has a cute nickname for Cam Newton and is full of hot takes and opinions about the guy based on him leaving a press conference. (Oh no!!!!).
2. Chicos was rooting for Peyton Manning. The epitome of dull, white conservatism. If Manning were a piece of clothing, he'd be a pair of sensible khakis.
Of course we have all seen that meme now where Peyton was the one who left the field after losing to the Saints without shaking hands with anyone while Cam actually stuck around to shake hands with the Broncos including Manning.
But Cam is a punk and Peyton is the epitome of class. (HGH be damned.)
My guess is the truth is in the middle with both of them.
Shocking that you'd fail to address the actual reasons I have for not liking $cam. Also shocking that you haven't seen $cam before. Been around since he was getting paid at Auburn 5 years ago. Try to keep up. :o
Do you actually think the average football player doesn't use HGH? ;D
Nowhere in an NFL contract does it say that an NFL player must shake hands with an opposing team following the game. This isn't 5th grade basketball where we all line up and high 5 each other and tell everyone, "Good game!" It does, however, say that a player must address the media for a certain amount of time. These guys get paid millions of dollars. Carry out your end of the deal. If you're going to sit and tell other teams during your press conference to keep you out of the end zone to stop you from doing the dance they don't like, then don't get all pissy when you overhear someone talking about how you turned into Russell Wilson and couldn't make a throw to save your life and that if they kept you from running the ball they'd win the game. The truth apparently hurts $cam a little more than he thinks it hurts his opponents.
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That was his dad that wad sketchy at auburn. Not cam...
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That was his dad that wad sketchy at auburn. Not cam...
Yeah and UNC student athletes are all 4.0 students taking legit classes, UW Madison holds its student athletes to higher academic standards than any other colleges, Rick Pitino didn't know about the prostitution parties, etc., etc., etc. And Peyton Manning is the only football player who has used HGH. ;D
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Wades I couldn't care less if Cam skipped a press conference. I also hope he was paid handsomely at Auburn. He deserved it.
I pretty much reserve my judgements on professional athletes based on what they do on the field. I really know nothing about them, either positively or negatively otherwise. (Unless it becomes something extreme like Ray Rice.)
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Two things that I am ABSOLUTE AMAZED with I this topic.
1. Wades has a cute nickname for Cam Newton and is full of hot takes and opinions about the guy based on him leaving a press conference. (Oh no!!!!).
2. Chicos was rooting for Peyton Manning. The epitome of dull, white conservatism. If Manning were a piece of clothing, he'd be a pair of sensible khakis.
Of course we have all seen that meme now where Peyton was the one who left the field after losing to the Saints without shaking hands with anyone while Cam actually stuck around to shake hands with the Broncos including Manning.
But Cam is a punk and Peyton is the epitome of class. (HGH be damned.)
My guess is the truth is in the middle with both of them.
I cheered for Peyton because he's been so good to me and my family for 10+ years. If that's boring, oh well. I don't know what white or conservatism has to do with it. I assure you that many African American players, colleagues, fans love the guy as a player and were cheering him on as well.
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Any complains about Quennville in his presser today complaining about the goal the refs overturned and then walk off? No? Huh, weird.
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Wades I couldn't care less if Cam skipped a press conference. I also hope he was paid handsomely at Auburn. He deserved it.
I pretty much reserve my judgements on professional athletes based on what they do on the field. I really know nothing about them, either positively or negatively otherwise. (Unless it becomes something extreme like Ray Rice.)
Fair enough and you're entitled to do so. Just like I'm entitled to not like him for my own reasons.
Just out of curiosity, if you were the manager of 10 people at work and 1 of them was your best worker overall but just decided "ehh, I don't really like this part of my job, I'm just not going to do it" could you care less about that?
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Just out of curiosity, if you were the manager of 10 people at work and 1 of them was your best worker overall but just decided "ehh, I don't really like this part of my job, I'm just not going to do it" could you care less about that?
Let's say I run the sales department of a major corporation. As in your example, I have 10 employees under my charge. By far my No. 1 producer is fantastic at generating sales for the company. A true rainmaker. But he is lax with his paperwork. I constantly have to remind him to fill out the stuff, and he either gets it done too late or I end up having to do it for him, which pisses me off.
So I have a choice ... do I fire the single-best worker and moneymaker for my department, a guy with incredible contacts, a guy who surely will get a job with a competitor and so firing him would be the classic "cut off my nose to spite my face" move? Or do I put up with his one shortcoming, try to keep urging him to improve on it, all the while realizing that he probably won't?
Do the Panthers put up with one of the most dynamic football players in the world at the game's most important position, a guy who just led them to the best season in franchise history, all the while working with him to fix his few flaws? Or do they punish him -- or fire him! -- because he occasionally is mopey in front of the media?
I know my answer. What's yours?
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Let's say I run the sales department of a major corporation. As in your example, I have 10 employees under my charge. By far my No. 1 producer is fantastic at generating sales for the company. A true rainmaker. But he is lax with his paperwork. I constantly have to remind him to fill out the stuff, and he either gets it done too late or I end up having to do it for him, which pisses me off.
So I have a choice ... do I fire the single-best worker and moneymaker for my department, a guy with incredible contacts, a guy who surely will get a job with a competitor and so firing him would be the classic "cut off my nose to spite my face" move? Or do I put up with his one shortcoming, try to keep urging him to improve on it, all the while realizing that he probably won't?
Do the Panthers put up with one of the most dynamic football players in the world at the game's most important position, a guy who just led them to the best season in franchise history, all the while working with him to fix his few flaws? Or do they punish him -- or fire him! -- because he occasionally is mopey in front of the media?
I know my answer. What's yours?
So, you proved my point. You could care less. It pisses you off, you continue to urge him to do his paperwork, etc. To some extent, you care.
I don't even have a problem with a guy like Marshawn blowing off a press conference. My only issue, which is one of the smaller issues I have with $cam, is that when he's able to dance around he's this charismatic, fun, smiling, loving guy who uses the podium to passive-aggressively taunt opposing teams by telling them that if they don't like his dancing then keep him out of the end zone. But then when those teams do keep him out of the end zone he acts like a little baby. I get it, he's a sore loser, etc., etc., etc. Don't get all pissy when a team does exactly what you've been daring teams to do while in the exact same situation (post game press conferences).
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So, you proved my point. You could care less. It pisses you off, you continue to urge him to do his paperwork, etc. To some extent, you care.
I don't even have a problem with a guy like Marshawn blowing off a press conference. My only issue, which is one of the smaller issues I have with $cam, is that when he's able to dance around he's this charismatic, fun, smiling, loving guy who uses the podium to passive-aggressively taunt opposing teams by telling them that if they don't like his dancing then keep him out of the end zone. But then when those teams do keep him out of the end zone he acts like a little baby. I get it, he's a sore loser, etc., etc., etc. Don't get all pissy when a team does exactly what you've been daring teams to do while in the exact same situation (post game press conferences).
It was the f-ing Super Bowl. He was frank and forthright in the presser when they lost to the Falcons. He didn't storm out of there or not play nice. He played poorly in the biggest game of his life the night after being awarded the MVP. He was likely pissed at himself, the game, the outcome. I don't know what would have been so laudable if he took the podium to give boring, generic answers like Peyton would have.
As for MU82, maybe he doesn't care, but he cares cause he's annoyed at the negative press. For him, his salesperson's paperwork doesn't bother him, but he does get annoyed and bothered by people complaining about it, so its like "ok, lets try to fix it to avoid this nonsense". Thats my personal feeling.
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It was the f-ing Super Bowl. He was frank and forthright in the presser when they lost to the Falcons. He didn't storm out of there or not play nice. He played poorly in the biggest game of his life the night after being awarded the MVP. He was likely pissed at himself, the game, the outcome. I don't know what would have been so laudable if he took the podium to give boring, generic answers like Peyton would have.
As for MU82, maybe he doesn't care, but he cares cause he's annoyed at the negative press. For him, his salesperson's paperwork doesn't bother him, but he does get annoyed and bothered by people complaining about it, so its like "ok, lets try to fix it to avoid this nonsense". Thats my personal feeling.
That's fine. You can be fine with him acting like a pissy, whiny baby. You're not alone in thinking that, just like I'm not alone in thinking that, regardless of what game he played in, he shouldn't act like a pissy, whiny baby when a team does exactly what he literally stood in front of a podium daring teams to do to him. You dared them to stop you, they did. Sucks to suck, especially when it's the biggest game of your life.
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As I have said in multiple posts, I believe he handled the post-game press conference poorly and I also believe he should have gone for the fumble.
But I look at his overall body of work. I live in the same community and see what an amazing contributor he has been since Day 1 when he arrived here. I look at his growth as a quarterback and as a young man. And yes, I decide there are far more reasons to appreciate Cam Newton than to criticize him.
I am not "excusing" anything. I am trying to focus on what matters more to me. I am trying to be pragmatic and to keep things in perspective.
He didn't rape anybody. He didn't make dogs fight each other. He didn't even say a naughty word. To me, as a Panthers fan and an observer of the human condition, Cam's negatives are borderline immaterial.
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I don't mind Cam, but I will say this. Two years ago when DIRECTV was deciding whether to keep Peyton and Eli on as spokespeople I was asked my opinion about other QBs.
I suggested against Cam Newton because I thought he was too unpredictable and when you have to think about a corporate brand and spokespeople, it's just something you need to be careful about. I suggested Russell Wilson, Tony Romo, and a few others. Yes, it is a conservative approach and maybe my lens views things with that background because I'm often looking for it in terms of the pros and cons as a spokesperson.
I would LOVE to have him as my QB on my team. However, I wouldn't want him to be my spokesperson for my company. Both can be possible. Not saying he is a bad guy, I don't think he is at all, but the predictability, etc, there are safer options.....but NO option is 100% safe. Just doesn't exist.
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I don't mind Cam, but I will say this. Two years ago when DIRECTV was deciding whether to keep Peyton and Eli on as spokespeople I was asked my opinion about other QBs.
I suggested against Cam Newton because I thought he was too unpredictable and when you have to think about a corporate brand and spokespeople, it's just something you need to be careful about. I suggested Russell Wilson, Tony Romo, and a few others. Yes, it is a conservative approach and maybe my lens views things with that background because I'm often looking for it in terms of the pros and cons as a spokesperson.
I would LOVE to have him as my QB on my team. However, I wouldn't want him to be my spokesperson for my company. Both can be possible. Not saying he is a bad guy, I don't think he is at all, but the predictability, etc, there are safer options.....but NO option is 100% safe. Just doesn't exist.
That is a fair analysis, IMHO. But be aware that actual corporate folks who make actual decisions about athletes representing them actually like Cam.
I just so happened to have read an article about this today. Only two NFL players made more money in endorsements than Cam in 2015: Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. And the article quoted several people who work to secure athletes as endorsers for companies as saying they doubt Cam's Super Bowl situation will have one iota of a negative effect.
He still will appeal to the younger set every bit as much as he has the last year or two. The old white folks who don't like him never will, and the kind of corporations who want Cam endorsing their products don't care about those folks.
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https://www.facebook.com/Ellerson42/videos/816482295147535/
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https://www.facebook.com/Ellerson42/videos/816482295147535/
My how times have changed: "They don't give you no medal for trying."
Actually, now you don't even have to try - they give you a "medal" for just showing up. And, if you can't be bothered to show up, the coach will probably send it to you with a teammate or drive it over to your house. Opie would have loved sports in the new millennium.
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Archie Manning has leaped to Newton's defense. Archie recalled how Peyton was ripped for not shaking Drew Brees' hand after his Colts lost to the Saints in the SB, with Archie saying a losing player who is a big-time competitor struggles with all kinds of demons in the heat of the moment like that.
BTW, Cam made it a point to seek out Peyton, shake his hand and say a few words to him after Sunday's game.
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Archie Manning has leaped to Newton's defense. Archie recalled how Peyton was ripped for not shaking Drew Brees' hand after his Colts lost to the Saints in the SB, with Archie saying a losing player who is a big-time competitor struggles with all kinds of demons in the heat of the moment like that.
BTW, Cam made it a point to seek out Peyton, shake his hand and say a few words to him after Sunday's game.
Right.
But according to wades, he's a "pissy, whiny baby" because he left a press conference early. :o
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Fair enough and you're entitled to do so. Just like I'm entitled to not like him for my own reasons.
Just out of curiosity, if you were the manager of 10 people at work and 1 of them was your best worker overall but just decided "ehh, I don't really like this part of my job, I'm just not going to do it" could you care less about that?
Depends on how good he is and what that one part of the job is.
If it was something innocuous like filling out a vacation request form (pretty much the equivalent of a press conference in my eyes), then I wouldn't care.
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Right.
But according to wades, he's a "pissy, whiny baby" because he left a press conference early. :o
He is a pissy whiny baby. I'm far from the only person that thinks that. In fact I haven't heard a single media person who has said he doesn't need to grow up and handle things better while discussing his press conference. Gary Ellerson and LeRoy Butler, Bill Romanowski, Deion Sanders, TJ Lang, Shawn Marriman, Marshal Falk. Athletes from other sports, too. Josh Redick, Al Harrington, etc. I'll keep going if you want. Or you can think that just some meathead Packer fan is the only person in the world who thinks $cam's a baby and ignore the fact that just about everyone who's actually been in the same situation thinks he couldn't have handled it worse. Doesn't really matter to me.
Again, if he didn't spend all year smiling in front of the cameras saying, "If you don't like my dancing then keep me out of the end zone" then it is what it is. But when you're asking to be in the limelight and talking trash about how nobody can stop your dancing all year long don't literally run and hide from the cameras when a team does stop you from dancing.
Marshawn Lynch doesn't stand in front of cameras telling other teams to "keep him out of the end zone if you don't want me to rub my nuts in front of you." He makes a mockery out of the press conference no matter what. $cam absolutely LOVES his press conferences...unless he's losing. He's a pissy whiny baby.
Not sure why you continue to follow around my opinions and care so much about them.
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He is a pissy whiny baby. I'm far from the only person that thinks that. In fact I haven't heard a single media person who has said he doesn't need to grow up and handle things better while discussing his press conference. Gary Ellerson and LeRoy Butler, Bill Romanowski, Deion Sanders, TJ Lang, Shawn Marriman, Marshal Falk. Athletes from other sports, too. Josh Redick, Al Harrington, etc. I'll keep going if you want. Or you can think that just some meathead Packer fan is the only person in the world who thinks $cam's a baby and ignore the fact that just about everyone who's actually been in the same situation thinks he couldn't have handled it worse. Doesn't really matter to me.
Wow. The media is whining because he skipped out on a press conference. I'm shocked.
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Wow. The media is whining because he skipped out on a press conference. I'm shocked.
Yet still nothing on Quennville, huh, weird. (And I'm a huge hawks fan just playing devils advocate )
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Yet still nothing on Quennville, huh, weird. (And I'm a huge hawks fan just playing devils advocate )
Because it was a regular season hockey game versus the biggest sporting event of the year.
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Because it was a regular season hockey game versus the biggest sporting event of the year.
That's kind of my point. If it's a regular season game does it get mentioned? Or if anybody besides Cam, Cutler or Jameis does that is it a big deal.
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That's kind of my point. If it's a regular season game does it get mentioned? Or if anybody besides Cam, Cutler or Jameis does that is it a big deal.
Yep. Understood.
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He is a pissy whiny baby. I'm far from the only person that thinks that. In fact I haven't heard a single media person who has said he doesn't need to grow up and handle things better while discussing his press conference. Gary Ellerson and LeRoy Butler, Bill Romanowski, Deion Sanders, TJ Lang, Shawn Marriman, Marshal Falk. Athletes from other sports, too. Josh Redick, Al Harrington, etc. I'll keep going if you want. Or you can think that just some meathead Packer fan is the only person in the world who thinks $cam's a baby and ignore the fact that just about everyone who's actually been in the same situation thinks he couldn't have handled it worse. Doesn't really matter to me.
Again, if he didn't spend all year smiling in front of the cameras saying, "If you don't like my dancing then keep me out of the end zone" then it is what it is. But when you're asking to be in the limelight and talking trash about how nobody can stop your dancing all year long don't literally run and hide from the cameras when a team does stop you from dancing.
Marshawn Lynch doesn't stand in front of cameras telling other teams to "keep him out of the end zone if you don't want me to rub my nuts in front of you." He makes a mockery out of the press conference no matter what. $cam absolutely LOVES his press conferences...unless he's losing. He's a pissy whiny baby.
Not sure why you continue to follow around my opinions and care so much about them.
I won't speak for Sultan but I will speak for me. I have already said numerous times that Cam could have and should have handled it better. I also have said that in the realm of terrible things athletes have been known to do, this ranks somewhere between the flea on the dog and the amoeba on the flea.
In other words, long-term, it's immaterial.
Every sponsor wants to keep Cam as an endorser. His fans, including me, are still his fans. And the haters, including you, hate him even though he does more charitable deeds than probably 98% of all athletes in the U.S.
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I won't speak for Sultan but I will speak for me. I have already said numerous times that Cam could have and should have handled it better. I also have said that in the realm of terrible things athletes have been known to do, this ranks somewhere between the flea on the dog and the amoeba on the flea.
In other words, long-term, it's immaterial.
Every sponsor wants to keep Cam as an endorser. His fans, including me, are still his fans. And the haters, including you, hate him even though he does more charitable deeds than probably 98% of all athletes in the U.S.
Right. He is a whiny, pissy baby. Not a huge deal. Which is why I don't get why everyone wants to run to his defense and pretend like what I am saying is some crazy, insane, offensive thing to call him. It is what he is. There are A LOT of whiny, pissy babies out there. I work with some. I root for some (ssssssshhhhhh, don't tell MerritsMustache, he thinks my criteria for good vs. evil is wearing green and gold vs. not wearing green and gold). Rodgers, Cutler, Brady, Rivers, Rothlisberger, $cam, etc. are all whiny, pissy babies. 95% of NBA all stars are whiney, pissy babies. I really don't understand what the big deal of calling it like it is is.
$cam is also a punk. It is what it is. Does it make him a horrible human being? No. Does it mean he is some thug who should be feared walking down the street or thrown in jail? No. It means he's someone who will tear down somebody's personal sign or tell someone he will "slap the sh!t" out of them for heckling him. Those are things that punks do. There are A LOT of punks out there. Not a huge deal. Just is what it is.
I'm glad he's good in the community, I'm glad he's great with kids, I'm glad he (as far as we all know) hasn't beaten any women or children or abused drugs or alcohol, etc.. Unfortunately, that makes him better than a fairly decent number of professional athletes. Good for him. Seriously.
He's still a whiny, pissy baby punk. Like you said, grand scheme of things, pretty minor thing to be.
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Wow. The media is whining because he skipped out on a press conference. I'm shocked.
Some of those people are definitely not media members. I'll continue with the list of athletes that have called him for what he is if you'd like.
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Right. He is a whiny, pissy baby. Not a huge deal. Which is why I don't get why everyone wants to run to his defense and pretend like what I am saying is some crazy, insane, offensive thing to call him. It is what he is. There are A LOT of whiny, pissy babies out there. I work with some. I root for some (ssssssshhhhhh, don't tell MerritsMustache, he thinks my criteria for good vs. evil is wearing green and gold vs. not wearing green and gold). Rodgers, Cutler, Brady, Rivers, Rothlisberger, $cam, etc. are all whiny, pissy babies. 95% of NBA all stars are whiney, pissy babies. I really don't understand what the big deal of calling it like it is is.
$cam is also a punk. It is what it is. Does it make him a horrible human being? No. Does it mean he is some thug who should be feared walking down the street or thrown in jail? No. It means he's someone who will tear down somebody's personal sign or tell someone he will "slap the sh!t" out of them for heckling him. Those are things that punks do. There are A LOT of punks out there. Not a huge deal. Just is what it is.
I'm glad he's good in the community, I'm glad he's great with kids, I'm glad he (as far as we all know) hasn't beaten any women or children or abused drugs or alcohol, etc.. Unfortunately, that makes him better than a fairly decent number of professional athletes. Good for him. Seriously.
He's still a whiny, pissy baby punk. Like you said, grand scheme of things, pretty minor thing to be.
Jeesh ... the way you talk. You sound like an effen punk.
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Some of those people are definitely not media members. I'll continue with the list of athletes that have called him for what he is if you'd like.
I don't think you understand. I don't care that he skipped out on a press conference.
In a league where we have had to deal with Ray Rice and all sorts of other issues, having Cam Newton skip out on a presser is so far down on the list of things I can concern myself with. Not even relevant.
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I'll even say this, I think the bigger thug could have been playing quarterback for the Broncos last Sunday.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/01/peyton-s-manning-s-forgotten-sex-scandal.html
I'll take a guy who walks out on a press conference any day over a guy like that... But you know, Peyton *seems* humble and a good guy. I mean, he does funny (sic) pizza commercials and hums a cute tune for an insurance company. Oh and Jim Nantz loves him. He can't be that bad right?
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I'll even say this, I think the bigger thug could have been playing quarterback for the Broncos last Sunday.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/01/peyton-s-manning-s-forgotten-sex-scandal.html
I'll take a guy who walks out on a press conference any day over a guy like that... But you know, Peyton *seems* humble and a good guy. I mean, he does funny (sic) pizza commercials and hums a cute tune for an insurance company. Oh and Jim Nantz loves him. He can't be that bad right?
Good for Peyton...women shouldn't be in men's locker rooms until men are allowed in women't locker rooms. Fair is fair, equal is equal.
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Good for Peyton...women shouldn't be in men's locker rooms until men are allowed in women't locker rooms. Fair is fair, equal is equal.
So Chico's believes in workplace discrimination and supports sexual harassment to get the point across. I'm shocked.
BTW, male athletic trainers are allowed in female locker rooms.
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So Chico's believes in workplace discrimination and supports sexual harassment to get the point across. I'm shocked.
BTW, male athletic trainers are allowed in female locker rooms.
You need to go to the Politics white, male, overly privileged yet still shockingly victimized regardless of age or affiliation board to bask in the logic.
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I believe in fairness....men in the women's locker room, women in the men's locker room. Anything short of equality, is discrimination. You are advocating for discriminatory work place, not me. Oh the irony.
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I believe in fairness....men in the women's locker room, women in the men's locker room. Anything short of equality, is discrimination. You are advocating for discriminatory work place, not me. Oh the irony.
Male trainers can go into female locker rooms. You are once again creating a strawman argument that has no basis in reality.
And again, you seem to think it's cool that Peyton sexually harassed someone and has repeatedly violated a confidentially order to call her out. I'm not surprised. You like it when white, rich guys exert their power.
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Right. He is a whiny, pissy baby. Not a huge deal. Which is why I don't get why everyone wants to run to his defense and pretend like what I am saying is some crazy, insane, offensive thing to call him. It is what he is. There are A LOT of whiny, pissy babies out there. I work with some. I root for some (ssssssshhhhhh, don't tell MerritsMustache, he thinks my criteria for good vs. evil is wearing green and gold vs. not wearing green and gold). Rodgers, Cutler, Brady, Rivers, Rothlisberger, $cam, etc. are all whiny, pissy babies. 95% of NBA all stars are whiney, pissy babies. I really don't understand what the big deal of calling it like it is is.
$cam is also a punk. It is what it is. Does it make him a horrible human being? No. Does it mean he is some thug who should be feared walking down the street or thrown in jail? No. It means he's someone who will tear down somebody's personal sign or tell someone he will "slap the sh!t" out of them for heckling him. Those are things that punks do. There are A LOT of punks out there. Not a huge deal. Just is what it is.
I'm glad he's good in the community, I'm glad he's great with kids, I'm glad he (as far as we all know) hasn't beaten any women or children or abused drugs or alcohol, etc.. Unfortunately, that makes him better than a fairly decent number of professional athletes. Good for him. Seriously.
He's still a whiny, pissy baby punk. Like you said, grand scheme of things, pretty minor thing to be.
Stupidity personified.
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Stupidity personified.
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Male trainers can go into female locker rooms. You are once again creating a strawman argument that has no basis in reality.
Nope, already showed this is not true the last time you brought it up. Also, male reporters can't go in to the same level that female reporters can for men's games into the locker room. Completely unequal. Hypocrisy to the hilt.
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Good for Peyton...women shouldn't be in men's locker rooms until men are allowed in women't locker rooms. Fair is fair, equal is equal.
I find it kind of disturbing that this is what you come up with in response to that article. You kind of seem to be working pretty hard to be a caricature of what a lot of people think you are. Perhaps you're trolling.
Some "acceptable" pro-Peyton responses to an article like this: "you've only heard half of the story" or "it couldn't have happened like that" or "I know everyone involved and it didn't happen like that." While those might be questionable, I could at least understand them.
But, "Good for Peyton?" Are you kidding me? Even assuming for the sake of argument that there is hypocrisy relating to access of locker rooms by staff of opposite sex (more on that in a second), do you honestly believe a woman who is doing her job should be punished for that hypocrisy? Really? Even if you think that the presence of women in locker rooms is a huge injustice, do you honestly think, "Good for Peyton! He's did something to right an important wrong!"
Jump on your soapbox about the injustice of allowing women in men's locker rooms if you want. If you think that's an important cause, knock yourself out. But I'd think there are better ways to combat that situation than having athletes allegedly put their balls in a trainer's face. Bear in mind, expressing doubts that it actually occurred would have been one "acceptable" response to the story. But you didn't go that route. You apparently assumed that it did occur and praised Peyton for it. That's really disturbing. Please tell me that this is one that you'd like to take back.
And regarding women in the locker room, that's not what this is about. If the allegations are true, this was a highly educated and experienced athletic trainer at the University who was providing treatment to Peyton in the training room. If it's your position that male trainers do not treat female athletes, you are absolutely dead wrong on this one. I've seen it with my own eyes.
Whether the allegations are true or not, I'm having a hard time understanding how anyone's response could be "Good for Peyton." I've known you a long time...I don't get this one.
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I responded to the one part of his comments that women shouldn't be in a locker room. I agree completely with him. Men shouldn't be in a women's locker room when women are showering, changing. Neither should women in a men's locker room.
That's my point of view. Today there is a massive double standard. Men are allowed into the locker room of women's sports ONLY before when uniforms are still on, or after when folks are changed. This is fine. The same should be done on the reverse side, but it isn't. Equality...progress....double standards galore.
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I responded to the one part of his comments that women shouldn't be in a locker room. I agree completely with him. Men shouldn't be in a women's locker room when women are showering, changing. Neither should women.
That's my point of view. Today there is a massive double standard. Women are allowed into the locker room of women's sports ONLY before when uniforms are still on, or after when folks are changed. This is fine. The same should be done on the reverse side. Equality...progress....double standards galore.
You believe that women shouldn't be allowed in men's locker rooms and it's fine to have that belief. However, you also believe that it's a good thing for male athletes to place their genitals on the heads of those female trainers who are required to be in men's locker rooms for their job?
Just think about that for a second.
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I responded to the one part of his comments that women shouldn't be in a locker room. I agree completely with him. Men shouldn't be in a women's locker room when women are showering, changing. Neither should women in a men's locker room.
That's my point of view. Today there is a massive double standard. Men are allowed into the locker room of women's sports ONLY before when uniforms are still on, or after when folks are changed. This is fine. The same should be done on the reverse side, but it isn't. Equality...progress....double standards galore.
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Well you haven't actually said it, but should we assume from this response that you don't think an athlete should put his balls in a woman's face because she has the temerity to be in a locker room doing her job? Whether it's a double standard or not? Or do you think that's cool?
And do you feel that way about female trainers in the team's training room? Because that's what this is about. If Peyton is talking about locker rooms in the article, one could think he's being intentionally obtuse. And, in light of he allegations against him, it seems a little disingenuous that he's appealing to a sense of decorum.
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The NBA handles the women-in-locker-rooms situation perfectly.
Most NBA arenas have an inner LR -- where the showers are and where only the players and employees (coaches, GM, trainers) are allowed. They also have an outer LR, which is where interviews are conducted.
Players are encouraged to either do interviews quickly, before they get ready to shower, or not until after they are showered and dressed. They are strongly discouraged from going into the outer LR in a state of undress.
NBA teams in older buildings (those without inner LR areas) provide robes for their players. They strongly encourage the players to slip the robes on over their undergarments, so as not to make their private parts public.
It is logical and common sense and genteel and morally intelligent. Why other major sports leagues don't do this, I'll never know.
But even those less-enlightened leagues DO provide large towels for athletes. And any athlete who does not want women to see his male bits simply could opt to wear a towel.
In other words ... EACH ATHLETE HAS THE POWER TO NEVER BE SEEN NAKED BY ANY REPORTER, MALE OR FEMALE.
I will tell you that I am good friends with many female sports reporters -- including several award-winning journalists who attended Marquette and who wonderfully represent our alma mater -- and they have no interest in gawking at male bits. They have trained themselves to look in athetes' eyes and to not let their gaze wander at all. And you know what? I trained myself to do that, too, because I don't want to see the athletes' bits, either!
Chicos, unsurprisingly, is wrong on this issue. There is no reason female reporters should be barred from male locker rooms. The right answer is to change the situation in the locker rooms.
The NBA has been operating in its common-sense manner for well over a decade, so it's not as if the template hasn't been out there for other leagues to follow.
And again, all any athlete in any league has to do is wear an effen towel.
Problem solved!
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Not only is Chicos wrong on the issue, the issue he is discussing isn't really the issue here. Female trainers are allowed in male locker rooms to perform their work related duties. Male trainers are allowed in female locker rooms for the same reason. There is no bias. There is no double standard.
Peyton was standing up for something that was absurdly wrong. Not to mention that he did so in a vile manner.
Apparently if Chicos daughter decided to go into athletic training, he would have no problem with a male athlete sticking his sack in her face to make a point. Very odd.
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Well you haven't actually said it, but should we assume from this response that you don't think an athlete should put his balls in a woman's face because she has the temerity to be in a locker room doing her job? Whether it's a double standard or not? Or do you think that's cool?
And do you feel that way about female trainers in the team's training room? Because that's what this is about. If Peyton is talking about locker rooms in the article, one could think he's being intentionally obtuse. And, in light of he allegations against him, it seems a little disingenuous that he's appealing to a sense of decorum.
Peyton was nice to Chico's wife once, even pretended to be amused when she called his beer of choice "Buttwiper" (clever, no? - I'm sure Peyton nearly fell down laughing at that one). Because of that Chico will defend him forever. He honestly believes the victim in this case "had it coming" and deserved to have someone's nut sack stuck in her face. Amazing.
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Crickets from Chicos, who has responded to dozens of other posts since he was called out here.
So it's not as if he's ignoring Scoop, just ignoring having to deal with being wrong. Classic.