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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 06, 2016, 03:22:06 PM
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1. Busy Saturday's suck. Been watching the game in pieces between other stuff.
2. Anybody complaining about anything besides the last 3 minutes and result, turn in your fan card.
3. Shot well, rebounded well, contested on defense.
4. Start appreciating Henry. We won't see his like again as a frosh.
5. Haanif is going to be fearsome in 3 years. Could make a run at the scoring record.
6. Heldt is going to be solid in two years when he needs to start.
7. OK, I have a complaint. Too many stupid fouls and careless turnovers that served no purpose. Need to play smarter.
8. X is good. They finished stronger. No shame in this loss.
9. If this game is indicative of the new normal for this team, MU is going to be very scary down the stretch. Well played, warriors.
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1. Busy Saturday's suck. Been watching the game in pieces between other stuff.
2. Anybody complaining about anything besides the last 3 minutes and result, turn in your fan card.
3. Shot well, rebounded well, contested on defense.
4. Start appreciating Henry. We won't see his like again as a frosh.
5. Haanif is going to be fearsome in 3 years. Could make a run at the scoring record.
6. Heldt is going to be solid in two years when he needs to start.
7. OK, I have a complaint. Too many stupid fouls that served no purpose. Need to play smarter.
8. X is good. They finished stronger. No shame in this loss.
9. If this game is indicative of the new normal for this team, MU is going to be very scary down the stretch. Well played, warriors.
100% with you. Sad we lost but this effort was night and day compared to the crap-sandwich that was Seton Hall.
The difference between this year and the last couple is that we have a legitimate chance of winning games now. Sure, we could come out and poop on the floor vs the DePaul's and St. John's, but this team has the talent. Henry comes back this team is on pace to be a top 20 team next year. Of course he won't, but the improvement is there. Let's hope for some more games consisting of this effort and make some noise in the BET.
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Best thing is the toughest part of the conference schedule is in the rear view mirror. Have a wounded Providence and a Creighton team who has lost three of four coming to the BC, followed by DePaul with a 0.5 home game. CU again on the road. Then follow with a charged full house against Nova, a homer against Georgetown, and a ninth place Butler on the road. I like our trending.
Win the next three which are very winnable, and MU is in the hunt. Need a nice run here, and it all starts will MU defending the home court.
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Box score
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400840291
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Best thing is the toughest part of the conference schedule is in the rear view mirror. Have a wounded Providence
I'm the opposite on Prov. I consider them hungry after losing 2 in a row. And Bentil exploded for 17 pts in 2nd half today, he looks healthy & has 4 more days to rest up.
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1) Play smarter, 2) reduce turnovers and 3) stay focused for 40 minutes and this team is a powerhouse in the Big East. Anything less, and it does not have to be much, and it gets ugly. If they play like today and work on 1 and 2 there will be many happy Scoopers.
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I'm the opposite on Prov. I consider them hungry after losing 2 in a row. And Bentil exploded for 17 pts in 2nd half today, he looks healthy & has 4 more days to rest up.
He was limping on one leg at the end, and Cooley said if he knew the outcome he may have sat him. Let's see if the ankle swells and how effective he will be. Dunn has not been good with him out.
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He was limping on one leg at the end, and Cooley said if he knew the outcome he may have sat him. Let's see if the ankle swells and how effective he will be. Dunn has not been good with him out.
I wish he wasn't going to play either :)
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Henry isnt coming back...the sooner the fan base realizes that, the better the summer is going to go. Just gotta enjoy him while he is here. Next year we will have a decent shooter (rowsey) and hope on getting a PF transfer or something.
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Really enjoyed the game today, was a great effort in a tough environment. I would just like to see us live and die with Tracy at the point down the stretch. We are a TO machine
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Henry isnt coming back...the sooner the fan base realizes that, the better the summer is going to go. Just gotta enjoy him while he is here.
OK, I'm so tired of the debate on Henry I could scream!
Unless we have a direct line to God or to the Ellenson family dinner table, none of know if Henry is coming back or not. We don't know what motivates Henry, who is influencing him and what values he has as both a ballplayer and a person.
We instead place our own motivations, desires and needs on Henry and assume his actions based on what WE would do.
I have watched this debate with a friend of mine's son and saw the son do what NO one except his Mom and Dad wanted him to do. I watched as he walked away from millions to get an education.
Will Henry stay or go? Just enjoy the ride and as a fellow Warrior, hope that as a young man, he does what is best for himself and the people with whom he is close.
In the meantime, quit trying to guess!
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OK, I'm so tired of the debate on Henry I could scream!
Unless we have a direct line to God or to the Ellenson family dinner table, none of know if Henry is coming back or not. We don't know what motivates Henry, who is influencing him and what values he has as both a ballplayer and a person.
We instead place our own motivations, desires and needs on Henry and assume his actions based on what WE would do.
I have watched this debate with a friend of mine's son and saw the son do what NO one except his Mom and Dad wanted him to do. I watched as he walked away from millions to get an education.
Will Henry stay or go? Just enjoy the ride and as a fellow Warrior, hope that as a young man, he does what is best for himself and the people with whom he is close.
In the meantime, quit trying to guess!
Amen.
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OK, I'm so tired of the debate on Henry I could scream!
Unless we have a direct line to God or to the Ellenson family dinner table, none of know if Henry is coming back or not. We don't know what motivates Henry, who is influencing him and what values he has as both a ballplayer and a person.
We instead place our own motivations, desires and needs on Henry and assume his actions based on what WE would do.
I have watched this debate with a friend of mine's son and saw the son do what NO one except his Mom and Dad wanted him to do. I watched as he walked away from millions to get an education.
Will Henry stay or go? Just enjoy the ride and as a fellow Warrior, hope that as a young man, he does what is best for himself and the people with whom he is close.
In the meantime, quit trying to guess!
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* Excellent work on the boards, loved the play from Luke today and Sandy's rebounding effort
* Haanif - love that kid. For those that are saying he is going to a stud when he is a senior, he's almost there now
* JJJ solid again
* Henry is Henry, spoils us he is so good
* Whatever offensive value Duane had today was far exceeded by bone-headed plays, poor shot selection, dumb fouls, and 7 killer TOs
* Traci -- slow improvement, but the airball 3 was a killer coming when it did
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* Excellent work on the boards, loved the play from Luke today and Sandy's rebounding effort
* Haanif - love that kid. For those that are saying he is going to a stud when he is a senior, he's almost there now
* JJJ solid again
* Henry is Henry, spoils us he is so good
* Whatever offensive value Duane had today was far exceeded by bone-headed plays, poor shot selection, dumb fouls, and 7 killer TOs
* Traci -- slow improvement, but the airball 3 was a killer coming when it did
Duane is such a tough one to figure out. As the self-proclaimed team leader, I am having a tough time figuring out what his role is or where he fits with this team. Not a distributer/floor general and is too small and too poor of a defender to play the 2. Although, he makes huge plays and isn't afraid to take the big shot. Just wish he could play pg because haanif is much less effective when handling the pg position.
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"6. Heldt is going to be solid in two years when he needs to start."
2 years when he NEEDS to start? i'm thinking we will need a lot more of him next year, starting or 6th man. i also think he will surprise many of us by how ready he will be next year. the little bit that we have seen of him so far this year-he has shown way more poise than the minutes he has played
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I don't believe that either Luke or Matt are going to suddenly develop the footspeed, ball handling ability, or shooting range to be a stretch 4. To start them next to each other could be shades of Ox/Tule. Perhaps for a few minutes in specific alignments, but not as a regular thing.
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* Excellent work on the boards, loved the play from Luke today and Sandy's rebounding effort
Sandy had another push in the back today called for a foul (as did Duane) and another one his man got to. Continues to be a weak point for him. Until he doesn't allow/do this I can't say excellent.
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Duane is such a tough one to figure out. As the self-proclaimed team leader, I am having a tough time figuring out what his role is or where he fits with this team. Not a distributer/floor general and is too small and too poor of a defender to play the 2. Although, he makes huge plays and isn't afraid to take the big shot. Just wish he could play pg because haanif is much less effective when handling the pg position.
Duane is not tough to figure out. He has been relegated to the fourth option on offense(Henry, Luke, JJJ, and even haniff). Last year he was 2. He is playing tentatively and is pressing--look at how he is short on shots and FT's. Yet at crunch time, Wojo wants him to shoot. That is hard for a kid to transition to. The offense relegates Wilson to stand around deep in the corner and maybe he will get the ball if Luke, HE, or, JJJ cannot get the look.. That is a coaching decision. If you are the fourth option, yet at crunch time, you are expected to deliver, it is difficult to deal with. Coaching. More plays should be developed during game time for Duane to bring out his potential. That is coaching. I believe that Duane's confidence has been lessened because of the way the offense is structured. I have no problem with the offense structured around HE, but since he is gone after this year, more plays should be developed for Wilson. That will not happen with Wojo. He has put all his eggs in the HE basket. We are improved over last year, but we are 4-7 in conference. Time to try something different since HE is gone anyway.
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Since the game right after his grandmother's death (that game he was awful), Duane has been very good on offense. Today, he turned the ball over too much. But I cannot disagree more that his role is to stand in the corner on offense. I am not sure we are watching the same games.
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1. Busy Saturday's suck. Been watching the game in pieces between other stuff.
2. Anybody complaining about anything besides the last 3 minutes and result, turn in your fan card.
3. Shot well, rebounded well, contested on defense.
4. Start appreciating Henry. We won't see his like again as a frosh.
5. Haanif is going to be fearsome in 3 years. Could make a run at the scoring record.
6. Heldt is going to be solid in two years when he needs to start.
7. OK, I have a complaint. Too many stupid fouls and careless turnovers that served no purpose. Need to play smarter.
8. X is good. They finished stronger. No shame in this loss.
9. If this game is indicative of the new normal for this team, MU is going to be very scary down the stretch. Well played, warriors.
Agree on #4, but disagree on #5 - I highly doubt Haanif will make a run at the scoring record.
As for #9, I also do not think this team will be very scary down the stretch, as they are very inconsistent still and tend to play down when they play inferior teams.
MU definitely played hard today and much better than past games, but they still have a lot of though games left where they do not match up roster wise against their opponents.
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Sandy had another push in the back today called for a foul (as did Duane) and another one his man got to. Continues to be a weak point for him. Until he doesn't allow/do this I can't say excellent.
Although on the last one the X guy flopped big time, watched it a few times, imo Sandy barely touched him, guy jumped out of bounds
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Gotta admit, I had the same thought about Haanif possibly being a scoring leader given what he has shown so far and the chances he would play 4.
Tower, please try to get the "thoughts" on the board in a more timely fashion so that we are not subjected to the "observations" of puerile dimwits.
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Where's Wally? He went from playing major minutes to afterthought the last few games. Why?
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My kid had a game at the same time and then I had to go to a travel baseball meeting. Life and kids. Sometimes.......
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Although on the last one the X guy flopped big time, watched it a few times, imo Sandy barely touched him, guy jumped out of bounds
Yeah that was a flop. The 2 on Duane where he hockey checked guys...just not smart. Not sure how you're a 21 year old who has more or less dedicated a huge portion of your life to basketball and still make some of the boneheaded decisions/plays he does. For all those who think Hank plays/played on his own while the 4 other guys on the court play a different game in cohesion, I suggest you watch Duane. The ball will get swung quickly around the perimeter or handed off in a little overlap dribble by our guards...until it gets to Duane. Once it gets to him he grabs it with 2 hands, dangles it down by his feet while calling for a screen, slowly dribbles around the screener trying to size up the screen defense, and then carries the ball trying to split the hedge before finally deciding what he wants to do with the ball. Every time he changes directions he carries the ball big time. I'm shocked he's only been called for like 8 carries this season, which is an absurd number for a D1 guard as it is.
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Duane is such a tough one to figure out. As the self-proclaimed team leader, I am having a tough time figuring out what his role is or where he fits with this team. Not a distributer/floor general and is too small and too poor of a defender to play the 2. Although, he makes huge plays and isn't afraid to take the big shot. Just wish he could play pg because haanif is much less effective when handling the pg position.
Duane just isn't a "self proclaimed" team leader. Wojo has mentioned him as a team leader. To me he is playing like a sophomore. Not as inconsistent as a freshman but still having troubles putting good games back to back.
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Duane just isn't a "self proclaimed" team leader. Wojo has mentioned him as a team leader. To me he is playing like a sophomore. Not as inconsistent as a freshman but still having troubles putting good games back to back.
The issue I havee with Duane is he's a red shirt Soph. He should be beyond those hiccups. I get the Fr kicking the ball around, but he is front and center with bad decisions and mind numbing plays...that turnover around the 1 min mark made me want to pull my hair out.
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I watch a pretty good amount of college hoops, but I cannot recall seeing another carrying call this year other than Duane.
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Yeah that was a flop. The 2 on Duane where he hockey checked guys...just not smart. Not sure how you're a 21 year old who has more or less dedicated a huge portion of your life to basketball and still make some of the boneheaded decisions/plays he does. For all those who think Hank plays/played on his own while the 4 other guys on the court play a different game in cohesion, I suggest you watch Duane. The ball will get swung quickly around the perimeter or handed off in a little overlap dribble by our guards...until it gets to Duane. Once it gets to him he grabs it with 2 hands, dangles it down by his feet while calling for a screen, slowly dribbles around the screener trying to size up the screen defense, and then carries the ball trying to split the hedge before finally deciding what he wants to do with the ball. Every time he changes directions he carries the ball big time. I'm shocked he's only been called for like 8 carries this season, which is an absurd number for a D1 guard as it is.
I do love the pump fake 3 to get to the 12-15' J.
The carry could be called every time. He also has his cousin's hop step while catching the ball which could be/often times is called a travel as well.
What I do appreciate bout Duane is he is one of the few who brings the moxie and will mix it up.
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The issue I havee with Duane is he's a red shirt Soph. He should be beyond those hiccups. I get the Fr kicking the ball around, but he is front and center with bad decisions and mind numbing plays...that turnover around the 1 min mark made me want to pull my hair out.
If you are referring to the pass that went to open space and ended up as a bucket on the other side, then that was equally on Ellenson.
He was supposed to, and started rolling out to the spot the pass went to. He stopped, and then did not pursue the ball when it sat there.
That play is akin to a quarterback throwing to a spot, the receiver cutting the route off and the ball getting intercepted. At least 50% on both people.
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I would rather have Traci on the floor the last 5 minutes than Duane. With Duane and Haney on the floor together at the end, it's a turnover festival.
Haney is a freshman learning a new position - PG - but no excuses for DW.
Traci had as many assists today as the entire starting five.
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The issue I havee with Duane is he's a red shirt Soph. He should be beyond those hiccups. I get the Fr kicking the ball around, but he is front and center with bad decisions and mind numbing plays...that turnover around the 1 min mark made me want to pull my hair out.
He redshirted cause he was injured. I have no concerns about Duane.
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My kid had a game at the same time and then I had to go to a travel baseball meeting. Life and kids. Sometimes.......
That's why Edison invented the DVR!
I refereed 4 youth basketball games today. I texted my MU buds to leave me alone and send me no spoiler texts. Got home, showered, had dinner with Mrs. MU82 and then we watched the game at 7:30 p.m., none the wiser as to the final result until we got there. Bonus: We didn't have to watch commercials or halftime.
Frankly, it's hard for me to watch a game live now. I have gotten so used to the DVR, it drives me nuts to sit through the commercials, the replay time-outs, etc.
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I would rather have Traci on the floor the last 5 minutes than Duane.
I would rather have Duane on the floor to take and make the winning shot at Providence.
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I would rather have Duane on the floor to take and make the winning shot at Providence.
I thought about it a lot and to me Duane is neither a good enough 3-point shooter nor from the free throw line - he is the worst free throw shooter among the top 7 players; and guys need to make free throws late in close games.
What really has surprised me though, is how badly he misses many of his 3-point attempts. I expected him to be the best shooter on the team this year.
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I thought about it a lot and to me Duane is neither a good enough 3-point shooter nor from the free throw line - he is the worst free throw shooter among the top 7 players; and guys need to make free throws late in close games.
What really has surprised me though, is how badly he misses many of his 3-point attempts. I expected him to be the best shooter on the team this year.
I have no idea what happened to Duanes free throw shooting. Last year he was shooting close to 90% in the beginning of the year.
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I shudder to think how sh1tty we would truly be without Duane.
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I thought about it a lot and to me Duane is neither a good enough 3-point shooter nor from the free throw line - he is the worst free throw shooter among the top 7 players; and guys need to make free throws late in close games.
What really has surprised me though, is how badly he misses many of his 3-point attempts. I expected him to be the best shooter on the team this year.
Dear God. The kid is shooting 35% from three and has 20 more three pointers than anyone else on this team (and that's without today's 4-6 performance). What more does he have to do to be considered a good three point shooter? He's not elite but he's far better than you are trying to make him out to be. People on this board have such short memories. Only look at the bad and completely ignore the good a player brings.
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Duane is not tough to figure out. He has been relegated to the fourth option on offense(Henry, Luke, JJJ, and even haniff). Last year he was 2. He is playing tentatively and is pressing--look at how he is short on shots and FT's. Yet at crunch time, Wojo wants him to shoot. That is hard for a kid to transition to. The offense relegates Wilson to stand around deep in the corner and maybe he will get the ball if Luke, HE, or, JJJ cannot get the look.. That is a coaching decision. If you are the fourth option, yet at crunch time, you are expected to deliver, it is difficult to deal with. Coaching. More plays should be developed during game time for Duane to bring out his potential. That is coaching. I believe that Duane's confidence has been lessened because of the way the offense is structured. I have no problem with the offense structured around HE, but since he is gone after this year, more plays should be developed for Wilson. That will not happen with Wojo. He has put all his eggs in the HE basket. We are improved over last year, but we are 4-7 in conference. Time to try something different since HE is gone anyway.
A+, the agreement with the family, to get HE, probably included just that. WOJO knows how sign one and dones, that's probably how it's done. Who will be next year's one and done?
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Great game and a credit to Wojo and staff for having them right there at the end. That being said (only because I want MU to be excellent always) we were out X and O'd at the end. The inbound to Macura 3 with what, 2:30 left, was beautiful. The movement had our guys twisted up like springs. Hopefully Wojo can pick up a bit more of these skills (putting something on the whiteboard during under 4:00 timeouts that makes us say "wow" instead of shouting general platitudes). If we can get some good end of game coaching I'm optimistic for the rest of the season (and beyond).
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Dear God. The kid is shooting 35% from three and has 20 more three pointers than anyone else on this team (and that's without today's 4-6 performance). What more does he have to do to be considered a good three point shooter? He's not elite but he's far better than you are trying to make him out to be. People on this board have such short memories. Only look at the bad and completely ignore the good a player brings.
I don't understand why Duane takes such heat . He is having a very productive year and we would be in a bad position without him. When the game is on the line , he is one of the guys I want to see with the ball. We need multiple offensive threats and he consistently gives us one.
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Get them next time.
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I don't understand why Duane takes such heat . He is having a very productive year and we would be in a bad position without him. When the game is on the line , he is one of the guys I want to see with the ball. We need multiple offensive threats and he consistently gives us one.
Just another guy who doesn't measure up to outsized expectations. The problem are the expectations. Not Duane.
Same thing that Vander dealt with here.
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Truer words rarely spoken. Honestly, this ridiculously young team went toe-to-toe for 37 minutes against a top 10 team in their gym and people are critical. I continue to be astounded by that attitude. This team is making tremendous strides. They are growing right in front of our eyes. Put the process isn't a given, isn't linear, and isn't always pretty.
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Great game and a credit to Wojo and staff for having them right there at the end. That being said (only because I want MU to be excellent always) we were out X and O'd at the end. The inbound to Macura 3 with what, 2:30 left, was beautiful. The movement had our guys twisted up like springs. Hopefully Wojo can pick up a bit more of these skills (putting something on the whiteboard during under 4:00 timeouts that makes us say "wow" instead of shouting general platitudes). If we can get some good end of game coaching I'm optimistic for the rest of the season (and beyond).
That's it, Wojo needs to improve his whiteboard skills! Say something that wows me when the camera happens to be recording him.
You are a moron.
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Just another guy who doesn't measure up to outsized expectations. The problem are the expectations. Not Duane.
Same thing that Vander dealt with here.
The erratic nature of our play doesn't help with the expectations or the frustration. These do not change the fact that we are still a young team. We are not as talented as some want to think, and we are missing some pieces. The team that played so well for at Xavier for 37 minutes is the same team that didn't even show up for Iowa and got abused in the second half at Seton Hall. They are also the same team that won at Providence. Let's hope they learn and give a strong finish.
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Post game story from Cincinnati. Two interesting tidbits: 10 NBA scouts there to see Henry, and Farr had knee and hamstring issues suffered in the DePaul game.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2016/02/06/no-6-xavier-rallies-past-marquette-moves-21-2/79618584/
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I do think Wojo did a good job getting them ready to play this game. They certainly responded well after the Seton Hall drubbing. Wojo should be praised fro that. I recognize that a young team will do things to beat them. I also think Xavier fans should be a little bit worried. Xavier was good enough to win their last two games against St. john's and MU, after having those teams beat them for most of the game. It is a sign that Xavier is not playing as good as they should be. Having praise Wojo for his pregame preparation, I do not think he did a good job during the game. Xavier several times scored on designed plays coming after timeouts. Clearly, Mack outcoached Wojo during the game.
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I thought about it a lot and to me Duane is neither a good enough 3-point shooter nor from the free throw line - he is the worst free throw shooter among the top 7 players; and guys need to make free throws late in close games.
What really has surprised me though, is how badly he misses many of his 3-point attempts. I expected him to be the best shooter on the team this year.
wat. He's sporting a 53.6% eFG% this season and is a 69.3% career FT shooter. 52.8% eFG% in BEast play, including 37.7% 3FG.
Duane's shooting 52.8% eFG in BEast play.. who has shot better? Luke at 56.1% b/c of where he shoots from and JjJ at 55.9%... Haany is sub-48%.. HE 46%.. Traci.. 48% and only 36% 2FG
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I think Duane's mistakes get highlighted, because he is the one who tries to take over the game in critical times. Nobody remembers a mistake made in the first half when the game is not in doubt. Everyone remembers a mistake or missed shot when the game is on the line. We need a player that is going to take the tough shot. Wilson got the rebound and scored to give us the lead in the DePaul game that we subsequently let slip away. He is a tough player.
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So what some folks are saying is that a veteran head coach -- who took over an excellent program with a full cupboard 7 years ago -- was able to out-coach a 2nd-year head coach who has had to rebuild a moribund program while also learning his craft on the fly?
Shocking.
And still, the second-year head coach's team took the vastly superior 7th-year coach's team down to the final minutes before losing on the road.
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I would rather have Traci on the floor the last 5 minutes than Duane. With Duane and Haney on the floor together at the end, it's a turnover festival.
Haney is a freshman learning a new position - PG - but no excuses for DW.
Traci had as many assists today as the entire starting five.
Once again Brandie, you have no clue about what you say, as usual. Putting Duane in the category of "turnover festival" is clueless. Fact: Wilson is 4th on team in TO's behind Cheatham 71, Ellenson 61, Carter 56 and then Duane at 54. So if you have Carter in there it becomes a TO "extravaganza.", hey'na?
Wilson has upped his scoring average from last year, 12.4 to 11.9; is 2nd on the team in 3 point % of those who play significant minutes, and has upped his FG% and 3pt. % from last year. What more would you like?
I cannot explain his FT% as they say he was about 80% in HS. But the guy is playing better than last year while he is definitely not being utilized as much in the offense as last year.
If you want to crucify a kid for TO's, then maybe you should look at the TO "festival" of Henry. He is a lottery pick and look at his TO's.
Just ridiculous trashing of Duane when the facts are against that. But Brandie's opinion is always loaded with colorful useless opinion.
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I don't understand why Duane takes such heat . He is having a very productive year and we would be in a bad position without him. When the game is on the line , he is one of the guys I want to see with the ball. We need multiple offensive threats and he consistently gives us one.
Agreed, absolutely. Duane has improved his productivity since last year, yet some still trash him.
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The issue I havee with Duane is he's a red shirt Soph. He should be beyond those hiccups. I get the Fr kicking the ball around, but he is front and center with bad decisions and mind numbing plays...that turnover around the 1 min mark made me want to pull my hair out.
How about the three and the spin move 2 he made in the last minute to try to keep us in the game? Were you tearing your hair out then, also?
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Since the game right after his grandmother's death (that game he was awful), Duane has been very good on offense. Today, he turned the ball over too much. But I cannot disagree more that his role is to stand in the corner on offense. I am not sure we are watching the same games.
Sorry Tower. Look at where Duane sets up most often on offense. Deep in either corner. That is likely so the court is spread to give more room for Luke/HE down low. That is why Duane has become a third or fourth option. More plays should be developed for him. It would make us more versatile.
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OK, I'm so tired of the debate on Henry I could scream!
Unless we have a direct line to God or to the Ellenson family dinner table, none of know if Henry is coming back or not. We don't know what motivates Henry, who is influencing him and what values he has as both a ballplayer and a person.
We instead place our own motivations, desires and needs on Henry and assume his actions based on what WE would do.
I have watched this debate with a friend of mine's son and saw the son do what NO one except his Mom and Dad wanted him to do. I watched as he walked away from millions to get an education.
Will Henry stay or go? Just enjoy the ride and as a fellow Warrior, hope that as a young man, he does what is best for himself and the people with whom he is close.
In the meantime, quit trying to guess!
Everything I have heard about his parents is that they are dying for him to be a Top Ten pick this year. But so many on this board like to intimate that since he's from Northern Wisconsin and since his folks are married and since he's white that could be motivated by different things. Well DGies news flash he ain't. He wants NBA
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I don't understand why Duane takes such heat . He is having a very productive year and we would be in a bad position without him. When the game is on the line , he is one of the guys I want to see with the ball. We need multiple offensive threats and he consistently gives us one.
He takes heat becaue he was 4 star player who is 21 years old. He is a servicable player but below what he should be
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1. Great Effort overall
2. Great rebounding for the first 32 minutes
3. X grabbing Offensive rebounds turned the game around with 8 or so minutes left in the game
4. Too many open 3 point looks for opponents in general
5. Too many turnovers AGAIN.
6. Couldn't get a defensive stop at the end when it mattered
7. I get this team is young, some here use it as an excuse a little too much. This was game 24 and they had the Europe trip yet we have the same problems again and again.
8. Wojo does a good job scouting and getting his team ready to play
9. Wojo does an awful job of in game adjustments. Need an experienced coach on staff badly.
10. A lot of the above is rinse and repeat, game after game. That is what is so frustrating.
11. Haanif is going to be a great 4 year player. Can we start getting players like him consistently year after year.
12. We need a point guard. A lack of a good one is killing this team. I don't see one on the horizon. Carter will be better but he is not the answer. More of a very good backup variety if we want to compete for Big East titles.
13. Henry is elevating his game.
14. JJJ needs more minutes as he has turned a corner
15. Sandy is working hard and I feel a breakout game soon if given the opportunity.
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Duane can stroke the ball from deep. Most definitely a guy I want taking those shots (especially over Traci at this point)
His hype machine got going in full force because of his #59 National composite ranking from all the sites. And the obvious career comparisons with the Koenig, since they were 1A & 1B in the same class, in-state.
Duane will continue to make strides
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I don't understand why Duane takes such heat . He is having a very productive year and we would be in a bad position without him. When the game is on the line , he is one of the guys I want to see with the ball. We need multiple offensive threats and he consistently gives us one.
Because with a bit smarter play his offensive contributions wouldn't be offset with dumb things like carrying the ball, out of control drives, and bad checking fouls. That doesn't even include his poor defense, which had been terrible at least the last few games (blow by after blow by, not getting out on the three point shooter, etc.)
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If you benchmark via Pomeroy for returning players, everyone has statistically improved versus their last playing season. For the freshmen if you benchmark conference to non-conference, every freshman has also statistically improved except Cheatam, who has appreciably fallen off in conference.
However, there is a reason: Wojo likes him as a PG, yet he is having a tough time there both offensively and defensively. Is that the kid's fault? No, as he will be a stud in the future as a 2G combo. You saw his potential yesterday and his weaknesses as PG.
That said, Wojo is recruiting Howard (as a one and done?). Wojo obviously doesn't think Rowsey, Carter or Cheatham are the final answer at PG. If you remember at Duke, they used to play two PG's at the same time.
I am not at practice nor am I the coach, thank goodness. We hear Duane is not a PG even though he played it all through high school. Traci is not getting the go to minutes as he often plays like a freshmen but he is improving. Haanif did not play PG in high school but is asked to learn under fire now.
As a result, this team is still looking for its identity and the players, especially the guards, are still trying to figure out theirs. It is slowly evolving, but they have blown a gasket at some point in every major opponent game, hanging on/recovering to win some nail biters or getting blown out or giving away others. Almost all exclusively due to the turnover issues. It is why this team is not achieving its fullest potential: The parts are there, but the sum of the parts is not.
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That said, Wojo is recruiting Howard (as a one and done?). Wojo obviously doesn't think Rowsey, Carter or Cheatham are the final answer at PG. If you remember at Duke, they used to play two PG's at the same time.
Are you saying that the recruitment of Howard is proof to you that Wojo doesn't think Rowsey, Carter or Cheatham are the 'final answer' at PG?
I think Wojo would be dumb to not recruit Howard even if Carter or Cheatham were demonstrating impeccable PG play.
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Great effort fewer t/O's they can beat anyone. Henry will be a lottery pick( remember they draft upside). The NBA rookie deals are similar $5-$10 mil guaranteed for three years and then he hits
The big $ a al Wes, Jimmy etc. he has to go, crazy not too.
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Are you saying that the recruitment of Howard is proof to you that Wojo doesn't think Rowsey, Carter or Cheatham are the 'final answer' at PG?
I think Wojo would be dumb to not recruit Howard even if Carter or Cheatham were demonstrating impeccable PG play.
I don't know where you got that at all, as I clearly stated that Duke likes to play multiple point guards. That said, if I was one of those other four, I would be thinking that is quite a log jam of small guards now that you bring it up (with five points/combos).
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Great effort fewer t/O's they can beat anyone. Henry will be a lottery pick( remember they draft upside). The NBA rookie deals are similar $5-$10 mil guaranteed for three years and then he hits
The big $ a al Wes, Jimmy etc. he has to go, crazy not too.
Draft express updated this morning with Henry moving up again, #6 now. #4 on Chad Ford
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Everything I have heard about his parents is that they are dying for him to be a Top Ten pick this year. But so many on thus board like to intimate that since he's from Northern Wisconsin and since his folks are married and since he's white that could be motivated by different things. Well DGies news flash he ain't. He wants NBA
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Dgies point is that unless you have talked to Henry himself and he has told you "I'm going pro after this season no matter what" you don't know sh*t. You can make an educated guess, you can have an opinion, but you don't know. It is not a fact that Henry is staying or going.
...and even if Henry has said this (or the opposite) to you, it doesn't necessarily mean it will happen.
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...and even if Henry has said this (or the opposite) to you, it doesn't necessarily mean it will happen.
So does that mean we can stop talking about it? PLEASE?!?!?!?
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He takes heat becaue he was 4 star player who is 21 years old. He is a servicable player but below what he should be
Laughable.
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Everything I have heard about his parents is that they are dying for him to be a Top Ten pick this year. But so many on thus board like to intimate that since he's from Northern Wisconsin and since his folks are married and since he's white that could be motivated by different things. Well DGies news flash he ain't. He wants NBA
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...and even if Henry has said this (or the opposite) to you, it doesn't necessarily mean it will happen.
Also very true
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He gowne.
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He gowne.
Did Ners teach you the difference between a fact and an opinion?
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Dear God. The kid is shooting 35% from three and has 20 more three pointers than anyone else on this team (and that's without today's 4-6 performance). What more does he have to do to be considered a good three point shooter? He's not elite but he's far better than you are trying to make him out to be. People on this board have such short memories. Only look at the bad and completely ignore the good a player brings.
Not at all. What I am saying is that we can't afford to throw away half of our offensive possessions in the last few minutes. I never said I didn't want Duane to play. I said we can not afford to have two turnover machines (DW and HC) on the floor in the last couple minutes of a game.
Possessions are important. To not even get a shot repeatedly as we have seen in the last couple minutes can't happen.
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wat. He's sporting a 53.6% eFG% this season and is a 69.3% career FT shooter. 52.8% eFG% in BEast play, including 37.7% 3FG.
Duane's shooting 52.8% eFG in BEast play.. who has shot better? Luke at 56.1% b/c of where he shoots from and JjJ at 55.9%... Haany is sub-48%.. HE 46%.. Traci.. 48% and only 36% 2FG
I never said he shouldn't be playing. Maybe you could read my original post again. It is quite clear about that.
But, 7 turnovers in a tight game negates all other numbers. In the last couple minutes (which is what I talked about in my post, in case you didn't understand), possessions are all-important. Offensive Efficiency on a possession is 0.0% if you turn the ball over. Zero percent chance that you score.
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Duane has to play late. He's got balls. He can make 3s. He can make crafty lay ups. And he can pull up and make jumpers or floaters.
There isn't a shot he's not capable of making. Except like a sky hook or some 7 footer type shot.
His free throw shooting is mind boggling but that's not reason to sit him.
He's in no way a poor 3 pt shooter. Wildly inconsistent? Yes. Poor? No.
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Not at all. What I am saying is that we can't afford to throw away half of our offensive possessions in the last few minutes. I never said I didn't want Duane to play. I said we can not afford to have two turnover machines (DW and HC) on the floor in the last couple minutes of a game.
Possessions are important. To not even get a shot repeatedly as we have seen in the last couple minutes can't happen.
I wasn't commenting on turnovers. I was commenting that you on how you said he's not a good three point shooter. It's not true
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Duane has to play late. He's got balls. He can make 3s. He can make crafty lay ups. And he can pull up and make jumpers or floaters.
There isn't a shot he's not capable of making. Except like a sky hook or some 7 footer type shot.
His free throw shooting is mind boggling but that's not reason to sit him.
He's in no way a poor 3 pt shooter. Wildly inconsistent? Yes. Poor? No.
I don't want to imply that late game turnovers aren't crushing---they are. I think the abilities Hayward cites are in short supply on this team and even with the turnover potential require Duane to be in at the end of close games.
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I do think Wojo did a good job getting them ready to play this game. They certainly responded well after the Seton Hall drubbing. Wojo should be praised fro that. I recognize that a young team will do things to beat them. I also think Xavier fans should be a little bit worried. Xavier was good enough to win their last two games against St. john's and MU, after having those teams beat them for most of the game. It is a sign that Xavier is not playing as good as they should be. Having praise Wojo for his pregame preparation, I do not think he did a good job during the game. Xavier several times scored on designed plays coming after timeouts. Clearly, Mack outcoached Wojo during the game.
Xavier needs to come out of their funk or a so called potential final 4 team will exit the NCAA tournament early.
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Xavier needs to come out of their funk or a so called potential final 4 team will exit the NCAA tournament early.
....So one road loss to a NCAA tournament caliber team is a funk? Better tell Oklahoma, they got embarrassed by Kansas State who is definitely not making the tournament. Guess they're not a final four caliber team either.
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Finally had time to fill in the numbers for this game.
Marquette won in 3 of the 4 major indicators:
63.2 eFG% vs. 61.5 eFG%
36.0 OR% vs. 21.2 OR%
39.6% FTR vs. 39.3 FTR
Unfortunately, we got so badly beat in the fourth category that it made up the difference
26.0 TO% vs. 12.1 TO%
This was probably our best played game all season but the turnovers absolutely killed us. Though it should be noted, even though we won in eFG and FTR, X's numbers were still absurdly high. In fact, with a defenseive rating of 122.1, it was our worst defensive game of the season (@NOVA was 2nd with a D rating of 119.1) If we had limited them more in that area, we could have also won. Killed em on the offensive glass though, hope that becomes a trend moving forward.
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Xavier needs to come out of their funk or a so called potential final 4 team will exit the NCAA tournament early.
I think they will. Creighton played very well in front of a big crowd last night. It had kind of a tournament like atmosphere. The game will serve as a wake up call for Xavier.