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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on November 23, 2015, 08:12:57 PM
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1. Wojo lit a fire.
2. LSU is not a good defensive team.
3. Really Duane?
4. Having said that, Duane and JJ may have played their best game in tandem in their careers.
5. Simmons is really good.
6. Aggressive to the rim all night.
7. Defense was not much better, but MU played hard and LSU did not grind possessions.
8. Traci Carter looked like he was back in Italy.
9. Glad to finally be wrong.
10. Take every win and run. Well done, MU.
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Can't remember a more surprising regular season win.
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22 turnovers.
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We won. And we probably will practice in the park again. I'll take it.
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Pulled it out. They could have easily coughed it up. Fischer needs to be more aggressive and not sink away below the backboard in clutch situations. Step to the block, be available, catch and dunk.
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Ellenson double double. Dude can play.
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Duane is trying to be the Ace of the team, but he doesnt have the clutch factor yet...that Three he took, dear god.
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1. Wojo lit a fire.
2. LSU is not a good defensive team.
3. Really Duane?
4. Having said that, Duane and JJ may have played their best game in tandem in their careers.
5. Simmons is really good.
6. Aggressive to the rim all night.
7. Defense was not much better, but MU played hard and LSU did not grind possessions.
8. Traci Carter looked like he was back in Italy.
9. Glad to finally be wrong.
10. Take every win and run. Well done, MU.
11. Our guards need to learn how to break the press
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Great win for a young team.....especially after the Iowa debacle.
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Oh and regarding #5... I don't recall a smoother 20/20 performance. And he doesn't even look for his shot all that often. Impressive.
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Carter, after looking good most of the night, looked like a freshman the last 3+ minutes. Cheatham looked like a freshman coming in cold. Lots of time to learn.
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Ellenson double double. Dude can play.
When you have four fouls you have to be smart enough not to oush off on offense. Also missed the front end of two critical one & ones.
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Oh and regarding #5... I don't recall a smoother 20/20 performance. And he doesn't even look for his shot all that often. Impressive.
He should have at the end.
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22 turnovers, Simmons with 21 pts and 20 rbs, Henry in foul trouble most of the game then fouls out with 2+ minutes in a close game and they still win.
Big game, growth game, better things to come.
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22 turnovers and win, wow....... Three straight games with over 20
Cheatham had five turnovers and hardly played in second half.
Carter and Henry have to learn to finish games at the end. Freshman mistakes, but Carter ran the show pretty good all night.
Free Throws, ugh. Carter was 1 for 4 and as a PG with ball in hand has to hit those. No more Dwil from last year. MU missed four front ends.
MU had problems with press, but on numerous occasions broke the press for breakaways and MU actually had some dunks tonight.
JJJ going to get a lot more minutes, Cheatham may not.
If Simmons develops an outside shot, oh boy......
Great game and effort, even with cardiac arrest after Duane's three attempt.
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Some good and some bad from just about everyone. Our frontcourt is really good when it can stay out of foul trouble. Almost everyone played well, other than Cheatham. I think the game's a little too fast for him right now and he just gets stuck not knowing where he's going with the ball too often. Wish we would've thrown Anim in there when Henry and/or Luke had to go to the bench with foul trouble.
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"JJJ should not play more than a minute per game"
LMAO!!!
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it's cool to win a game like this . . . national tv with lots of basketball (NBA people especially) watching because of Simmons
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Agree with just about everything said here.
Gotta say that Traci looked really good for 37 minutes. Fantastic passes and aggressive attacking the baseline and looking for a dish inside or to the opposite corner.
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Simmons is a legit one-and-done guy.
He has been trending on Twitter for much of the night.
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ESPN studio is a joke. Let's talk about the losing team.
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Ellenson double double. Dude can play.
And he only played for what...20, 25 minutes?
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Carter, after looking good most of the night, looked like a freshman the last 3+ minutes. Cheatham looked like a freshman coming in cold. Lots of time to learn.
Wojo needs to have Duane and JJJ hand-holding them to try to soak up some of the freshman mistakes. Duane was chilling in the corner in the frontcourt during one of Carter's several press turnovers; he had no outlet. Cheatham tends to dribble way too much, and will drive or head to traffic without a good end game - get him to hand it over to JJJ, a good passer and offensive decision-maker.
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It's been a LONG time since we have had a win like this (national television, ranked opponent). Definitely good to build from.
The team needs confidence in a big way. They have played as underdogs in every game, seeing their play and body language. Against the press late, and after Ellenson fouled out, NO ONE wanted the ball. Whether it was Carter, Wilson or Cheatham, our ball handlers were dribbling into double and triple teams - because no wanted wanted the ball in the pressure situation. That needs to change. Hopefully, this win will boost the group and start "respecting the process" as scoopers have so eloquently put it in recent years.
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When you have four fouls you have to be smart enough not to oush off on offense. Also missed the front end of two critical one & ones.
I guess Ellenson is going to be the guy we harp on this year when he's not perfect.
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Good rebound by the team, especially the team effort. Winning ugly but the team stayed with it. Playing for a banner tomorrow night.
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It's been a LONG time since we have had a win like this (national television, ranked opponent). Definitely good to build from.
The team needs confidence in a big way. They have played as underdogs in every game, seeing their play and body language. Against the press late, and after Ellenson fouled out, NO ONE wanted the ball. Whether it was Carter, Wilson or Cheatham, our ball handlers were dribbling into double and triple teams - because no wanted wanted the ball in the pressure situation. That needs to change. Hopefully, this win will boost the group and start "trusting the process" as scoopers have so eloquently put it in recent years.
RESPECT the process. Get it right! ;)
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ESPN studio is a joke. Let's talk about the losing team.
I thought the same thing. Not only did they talk about LSU the WHOLE time. But what I learned is that LSU lost because Simmons passed the ball and did not shoot. Had he shot, LSU would have won. He is good, he should have shot, so he definitely would have made it, right?
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I guess Ellenson is going to be the guy we harp on this year when he's not perfect.
Not the first time this season that HE has come up small in crunch time.
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I thought the same thing. Not only did they talk about LSU the WHOLE time. But what I learned is that LSU lost because Simmons passed the ball and did not shoot. Had he shot, LSU would have won. He is good, he should have shot, so he definitely would have made it, right?
Yeah, he probably does.
He has to be the one to take the last shot.
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With a nod to JayBee, experience (or lack thereof) does seem to play a role in how we match up against other teams.
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Yeah, he probably does.
He has to be the one to take the last shot.
No question he should have shoot it but other than Jordan, no one gets the benefit of making a shot to win.
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Not the first time this season that HE has come up small in crunch time.
Even more reason to hope he is here for at least another year, I feel he looked better today, Luke was he man
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I thought the same thing. Not only did they talk about LSU the WHOLE time. But what I learned is that LSU lost because Simmons passed the ball and did not shoot. Had he shot, LSU would have won. He is good, he should have shot, so he definitely would have made it, right?
Then they say LSU will compete with Kentucky for the SEC title. I'm thrilled for the Marquette win, but the missed free-throws and 21 turnovers were a major problem for MU. MU, could have won by 20 pts.
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Then they say LSU will compete with Kentucky for the SEC title. I'm thrilled for the Marquette win, but the missed free-throws and 21 turnovers were a major problem for MU. MU, could have won by 20 pts.
Vandy and Kentucky will separate themselves in the SEC. LSU will be in the 2nd tier. Definitely a Tourney team though.
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RESPECT the process. Get it right! ;)
Fixed, Wade.
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Fixed, Wade.
Thank you. I can go to bed happy now.
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Waiting for Duane.
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Not the first time this season that HE has come up small in crunch time.
Four college games. Two double doubles, including one where he was matched up against the top freshman on a ranked team, and yet he gets criticized for showing up small in crunch time.
As I said he is going to be harped on because he doesn't meet our expectations. But he was very good tonight.
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Four college games. Two double doubles, including one where he was matched up against the top freshman on a ranked team, and yet he gets criticized for showing up small in crunch time.
As I said he is going to be harped on because he doesn't meet our expectations. But he was very good tonight.
I get what sultan is saying... The whole team could have done better. But again, he did miss two key free throws against belmont with 1 min left.
Having said that, that was his first ever MU college game.
This stuff is so frustrating, but this stuff is going to happen because they are FRESHMAN.
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Waiting for Duane.
Played well tonight.
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Four college games. Two double doubles, including one where he was matched up against the top freshman on a ranked team, and yet he gets criticized for showing up small in crunch time.
As I said he is going to be harped on because he doesn't meet our expectations. But he was very good tonight.
At least for tonight, there is only one poster criticizing HE. Shocker on who it is.
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Not the first time this season that HE has come up small in crunch time.
It's not "coming up small" it's youth. I'd like to see the percentage of his fouls that are offensive. There's a book out on him already. He's gonna figure that out in short order.
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Refresh my memory: Is this Wojo's first win against a ranked team?
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God... I can't believe we shot 58% from free throw....
Easily could have won this game by 5+ points
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Refresh my memory: Is this Wojo's first win against a ranked team?
I had to check, but yup this is the first one.
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It's been a LONG time since we have had a win like this (national television, ranked opponent). Definitely good to build from.
Every MU game is on national tv.
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Played well tonight.
Played Ok tonight--not the point.
I'm waiting for Duane to be the leader that he needs to be on this years team. On this team, shouldn't be making Frosh mistakes and decisions...should be the leader and director that he has been in the past.
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Every MU game is on national tv.
Belmont game wasn't. FSN isn't national.
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Belmont game wasn't. FSN isn't national.
Ok, sorry. 95 percent of MU games are on national TV.
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Duane tweeted "we going to the ship!"
And he's right... confidence is what this team needs!
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Thought Henry and Fischer played well for lots of minutes with 4 fouls. Anim didn't play tonite. Is
Wojo sending a message. Even Wally didn't embarrass himself. Got 2 boards in a short time.
Liked the set plays we ran along the baseline.
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Belmont game wasn't. FSN isn't national.
FSN games are every bit as national as CBSSN, NBCSN, ESPNU, etc... a) quite a few FS regionals carried the game and b) FSN is available anywhere in the country on a sports tier.
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People are talking about the MU win:
Dick Vitale @DickieV
After getting ripped by Iowa @MarquetteMBB shows heart & guts as it bounces back with W over @LSUBasketball
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 1h1 hour ago
The biggest thing we learned about Marquette tonight? Its veteran guards -- Duane Wilson & JaJuan Johnson -- are critical. Combined for 32.
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Sounds like a quote from someone who read the box score and didn't watch the game.
I agree DWill and JJJ are absolutely critical to the success of this team. Need to minimize the mistakes and regain the mental edge They both play with best.
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Fischer played solid D on the foreigner Simmons all night. Tough matchup for him. Interesting that entire crowd at Barclays center was impressed by Fischer but our own fans act like JJJ was the clean winner for SOTG. I think it was a tossup.
Ellenson solid too. I can't believe we won despite him fouling out. Solid win.
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It's been a LONG time since we have had a win like this (national television, ranked opponent). Definitely good to build from.
We should have worn the baby blues.
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1) We drove the basket and hit pull-up jumpers tonight. We didn't the other night.
2) We fought on the boards. That was critical. LSU felt us. Iowa didn't.
3) We hit just enough threes to stay in the game with them. But we did not live or die at the three point line.
4) Our dribble drives generally looked good.
5) Too much sloppy play and too much shoot without thinking.
6) Duane, you take another three with less than a minute left and a game on the line and someone from Scoop will do something mean. Very mean. When will you learn, they're giving you that shot for a reason?
7) If Wojo was to blame for Iowa, should he not be complimented for LSU?
8) How could we lose to Iowa so badly and then handle LSU as we did tonight -- with poise? We should be 4-0.
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OK, it was a nice win, but we beat an over-rated team that was basically playing pick-up ball. LSU had no D at all, lots of bad shots, complete lack of offensive discipline, and one amazing player in Simmons. Their coach did only one element of coaching during the whole game - installing the press - and it worked well against freshmen guards.
It goes in the books as a win against a ranked team... but we will see better teams and much better coaching in the BEAST.
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1) We drove the basket and hit pull-up jumpers tonight. We didn't the other night.
2) We fought on the boards. That was critical. LSU felt us. Iowa didn't.
3) We hit just enough threes to stay in the game with them. But we did not live or die at the three point line.
4) Our dribble drives generally looked good.
5) Too much sloppy play and too much shoot without thinking.
6) Duane, you take another three with less than a minute left and a game on the line and someone from Scoop will cod something mean. Very mean. When will you learn, they're giving you that shot for a reason?
7) If Wojo was to blame for Iowa, should he not be complimented for LSU?
8) How could we lose to Iowa so badly and then handle LSU as we did tonight -- with poise? We should be 4-0.
Re: #8..I'll have what he's having. Hah.
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JIM BEAM
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OK, it was a nice win, but we beat an over-rated team that was basically playing pick-up ball. LSU had no D at all, lots of bad shots, complete lack of offensive discipline, and one amazing player in Simmons. Their coach did only one element of coaching during the whole game - installing the press - and it worked well against freshmen guards.
It goes in the books as a win against a ranked team... but we will see better teams and much better coaching in the BEAST.
I don't think anyone claimed different. Can't people just enjoy a win without finding reasons why it isn't that big of a deal? It's the biggest win of Wojo's tenure. Enjoy the ride.
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I don't think anyone claimed different. Can't people just enjoy a win without finding reasons why it isn't that big of a deal? It's the biggest win of Wojo's tenure. Enjoy the ride.
Nattering nabobs of negativism will snatch the last ounce of joy from a game nobody thought we had a chance to win and replace it with the sadness appropriate to the Iowa game.
We could win a national title and they would be sad over it being one in a row.
GO WARRIORS. MAKE US PROUD AGAIN!
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Nattering nabobs of negativism will snatch the last ounce of joy from a game nobody thought we had a chance to win and replace it with the sadness appropriate to the Iowa game.
Agree. We did a lot of stuff wrong last night. But we did enough right to overcome it and win the game. That was the most enjoyable MU game in a few years, I think. Exciting, down to the last shot against a tourney quality team and we won. I'm happy.
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FSN games are every bit as national as CBSSN, NBCSN, ESPNU, etc... a) quite a few FS regionals carried the game and b) FSN is available anywhere in the country on a sports tier.
FSN isn't national, it's a regional boardcast, that at times with no local game on, can show a national game. The Bucks game was only on in Wisconsin, not national on FSN. It's a RSN, not a national network. There are ton of regional RSN with the title FSN. FS Arizona, FS North, FS South, etc.
NBCSN, CBSN & ESPNU show national events to the whole nation. Huge difference, my friend!
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Fischer played solid D on the foreigner Simmons all night. Tough matchup for him. Interesting that entire crowd at Barclays center was impressed by Fischer but our own fans act like JJJ was the clean winner for SOTG. I think it was a tossup.
Ellenson solid too. I can't believe we won despite him fouling out. Solid win.
I thought Fisher was excellent last night. I really liked the way he was able to get the rebound and quickly get the ball to the guards to attack.
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But seriously, JJJ has become the player we always thought his highlight real said he'd be. Kid it showing a lot of moxie (or "swag" as the young kids say). Really happy with his maturity and growth.
Luke sort of had a coming out game in my eyes. Finished a lot stronger than I have seen him do ever. The shoulder and confidence is getting there. Plus he's the secret ingredient according to some sites...so Luke "the spice" Fischer is gonna be a really key part from here on out. Glad the scouts in the stands noticed that too.
Frosh guards did frosh guard things. This was clear at the end. Just need to hope they get up to the speed of the college game sooner rather than later. I expect a lot of the veterans to help when the tires are spinning out of control like they did on a few possessions.
Duane had his best game for Marquette thus far. Looked a lot more in control than he has before. Sure the 3 was a bad break. I cursed at him for doing it. But after reflecting on it I can't blame him for taking a wide open three like that. I'd like to see him take more of a leader role like I mention above.
I spent a lot of time really happy with Sandy. He's the glue. One of the few on the defensive end that I was really impressed with. He has the grit and chip on his shoulder that would have played well in the hillbilly regime. It's clear the confidence in his play is eons ahead of where it was last year.
All in all, it was the type of game we expected out of Marquette before the season started: frosh mistakes, hard fought, talent discovering itself on the floor as it all played out. So far I think it's about where we thought it would be... (2-2, 3-1 was a lot of early predictions if I remember correctly...). Now on to the AZ state game... the Duke Guards/Stan Johnson grudge game.
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Marquette has only five games on FS Wisconsin this year.
3 on ESPN2
3 on CBS Sports Network
2 on FOX
2 on FS2
17-20 on FS1 depending on how we do in the BET.
22-25 are on networks that you can get pretty much anywhere. 5 reach a national audience but on networks that aren't universal. 5 don't reach a national audience.
That's pretty good.
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We should have worn the baby blues.
I read on the interwebs that they put on the baby blues to go back to the playground after the victory.
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Marquette has only five games on FS Wisconsin this year.
3 on ESPN2
3 on CBS Sports Network
2 on FOX
2 on FS2
17-20 on FS1 depending on how we do in the BET.
22-25 are on networks that you can get pretty much anywhere. 5 reach a national audience but on networks that aren't universal. 5 don't reach a national audience.
That's pretty good.
But it CAN reach a national level. You to pay for it, but you can still get games aired on FS Wisconsin in New York, or California, or Texas, or anywhere.
I've always found the "national tv" excuse hilarious.
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But it CAN reach a national level. You to pay for it, but you can still get games aired on FS Wisconsin in New York, or California, or Texas, or anywhere.
If that RSN has no local game.
This was the Belmont game on Nov. 13th
RSN affiliates
+ = Check local listings
FOX Sports Arizona PLUS
FOX Sports Detroit PLUS
FOX Sports North PLUS
FOX Sports South
FOX Sports Sun
FOX Sports Wisconsin
MASN2
ROOT Sports Rocky Mountain (JIP
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If that RSN has no local game.
This was the Belmont game on Nov. 13th
RSN affiliates
+ = Check local listings
FOX Sports Arizona PLUS
FOX Sports Detroit PLUS
FOX Sports North PLUS
FOX Sports South
FOX Sports Sun
FOX Sports Wisconsin
MASN2
ROOT Sports Rocky Mountain (JIP
Not sure what your point is. Every game is available to those that want to watch it. Most are on "national television". End of story.
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Last night was an interesting watch for me personally. Having gotten to spend some time with Ben Simmons, and still keeping in contact with him, it was fun watching him play against MU.
That LSU offense was maddening to watch. I don't understand how you have a unique player like Simmons, and don't run every offensive set starting with the ball in his hands. Especially in the first half, they had zero ball movement, and were jacking up 3's with 10 plus seconds to go on the shot clock. As a pure basketball fan, it was maddening to watch Johnny Jones with a blank stare on his face all night.
All that said, MU had a look/determination I haven't seen yet under Wojo. Simply put, they weren't losing that game, they attacked and finished possessions virtually all night. LSU's team defense is terrible, but give credit to MU, they took full advantage, something they hadn't done at any point this year.
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Last night was an interesting watch for me personally. Having gotten to spend some time with Ben Simmons, and still keeping in contact with him, it was fun watching him play against MU.
Looks like we have to start calling Dish "Lil' Chicos". ;)
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Not sure what your point is. Every game is available to those that want to watch it. Most are on "national television". End of story.
This. You can get FSN on DirecTV. Last I checked, DirecTV was available nationally.
Does it reach every household? No. But it's available.
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Not sure what your point is. Every game is available to those that want to watch it. Most are on "national television". End of story.
Sorry, you can't understand things. Yes, most are on national TV. The talk was about FSN being national. I gave the list and you seem lost on it. ;)
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Does it reach every household? No. But it's available.
So, it's not a national boardcast on FSN.
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So, it's not a national boardcast on FSN.
So what would be a national broadcast, then? Because even ESPN doesn't reach every household.
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So what would be a national broadcast, then? Because even ESPN doesn't reach every household.
A national boardcast is on a national station. FSN isn't a national station. You have different programming going on in different parts of the country. I don't know why you don't understand what is on FSN?
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A national boardcast is on a national station. FSN isn't a national station. You have different programming going on in different parts of the country. I don't know why you don't understand what is on FSN?
Got it. So something on CBS or NBC or Fox - because they are a collection of regional affiliates who have different programming going on in different parts of the country - are not national stations, and therefore, nothing shown on them are considered "national broadcasts."
In other words, the Super Bowl isn't a national broadcast... it's broadcast on regional affiliates of Fox, NBC, CBS, etc. who have different programming in different parts of the country.
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Got it. So something on CBS or NBC or Fox - because they are a collection of regional affiliates who have different programming going on in different parts of the country - are not national stations, and therefore, nothing shown on them are considered "national broadcasts."
In other words, the Super Bowl isn't a national broadcast... it's broadcast on regional affiliates of Fox, NBC, CBS, etc. who have different programming in different parts of the country.
Terrible example. You don't get it! That would be a national boardcast in your example. Topic is FSN.
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Until we get on PBS, I will remain unimpressed.
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Terrible example. You don't get it! That would be a national boardcast in your example. Topic is FSN.
Sorry... I see now that you're discussing national boardcasts. I withdraw my counterpoint.
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Until we get on PBS, I will remain unimpressed.
"Ellenson with an amazing drive in the lane! Speaking of drives, we are currently in hour 20 of a fundraising drive. Please call the number below, our operators are standing by!"
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Sorry, you can't understand things. Yes, most are on national TV. The talk was about FSN being national. I gave the list and you seem lost on it. ;)
Hah. ::)