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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: moomoo on September 20, 2015, 06:30:49 PM
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Deserves its own thread, no?
I like what I read in this recent article. I also like where he's from.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/shockwaves/article35703192.html
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He would do.
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Squirmy.
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Squirmy.
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He lacks originality and likes to make up things that other people didn't say. Just let him run with it.
I'm good with this guy. A JUCO now and again is great. 38% of the roster, some from diploma mills....no thanks. But those regimes are no longer here.
https://www.youtube.com/v/N0-aQPbzCZE
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You didn't get the memo? We aren't allowed to recruit JUCOs. It's squirmy. As are non-traditionals. This guy is both. Double the squirmy.
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He lacks originality and likes to make up things that other people didn't say. Just let him run with it.
I'm good with this guy. A JUCO now and again is great. 38% of the roster, some from diploma mills....no thanks. But those regimes are no longer here.
Of the five Jucos that finished their basketball eligibility at MU under Buzz, I can't think of anyone that came to MU from a "diploma mill."
And of course, Chicos doesn't distinguish the Jucos that came here fully qualified out of high school but went to a Juco for one year to improve their basketball creds. We had three of those (Fulce, DJO and JFB). Two of them graduated on time. The other one was delayed a year or more because he was drafted in the NBA and making millions. Really there is no difference between these Jucos and a player who transfers here from another program.
The other two (Buycks and Jae), one may have graduated (I can't remember if Dwight has, but if not he is close). One should probably have not been admitted, but he was the BE POY, drafted into the NBA, and continues to represent Marquette just fine.
Not all "Jucos" are alike. But Chicos will throw them all under the bus using his "38%" statistic without context because...well...he is intellectually dishonest in that manner.
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Of the five Jucos that finished their basketball eligibility at MU under Buzz, I can't think of anyone that came to MU from a "diploma mill."
And of course, Chicos doesn't distinguish the Jucos that came here fully qualified out of high school but went to a Juco for one year to improve their basketball creds. We had three of those (Fulce, DJO and JFB). Two of them graduated on time. The other one was delayed a year or more because he was drafted in the NBA and making millions. Really there is no difference between these Jucos and a player who transfers here from another program.
The other two (Buycks and Jae), one may have graduated (I can't remember if Dwight has, but if not he is close). One should probably have not been admitted, but he was the BE POY, drafted into the NBA, and continues to represent Marquette just fine.
Not all "Jucos" are alike. But Chicos will throw them all under the bus using his "38%" statistic without context because...well...he is intellectually dishonest in that manner.
+1000. Chico had an anti Buzz bias/agenda from the get go - thought MU could have done better. Buzz proved Chico to be wrong. Chico hates when that happens. Buzz also was more successful than Chico's idol, TC. Chico hated that, too. Rather than admit the obvious, Chico went with a smear campaign against Buzz and his players. Exaggerations, phony "insider" info and lots of outright lies ensued. Chico being Chico.
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Willis plans to take an official visit to Marquette Oct. 16-18, 2015.
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Of the five Jucos that finished their basketball eligibility at MU under Buzz, I can't think of anyone that came to MU from a "diploma mill."
And of course, Chicos doesn't distinguish the Jucos that came here fully qualified out of high school but went to a Juco for one year to improve their basketball creds. We had three of those (Fulce, DJO and JFB). Two of them graduated on time. The other one was delayed a year or more because he was drafted in the NBA and making millions. Really there is no difference between these Jucos and a player who transfers here from another program.
The other two (Buycks and Jae), one may have graduated (I can't remember if Dwight has, but if not he is close). One should probably have not been admitted, but he was the BE POY, drafted into the NBA, and continues to represent Marquette just fine.
Not all "Jucos" are alike. But Chicos will throw them all under the bus using his "38%" statistic without context because...well...he is intellectually dishonest in that manner.
Very well said.
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Willis plans to take an official visit to Marquette Oct. 16-18, 2015.
Good deal. Let's hope both sides think it is a fit. I'll never complain about an occasional Juco who takes his opportunity both on and off the court seriously.
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Sultan, you are correct that not all Jucos are a like. My number one argument against JUCOs remains, it screws up the classes. You have people here for 2 or 3 years, not 4 or 5 years. Want to do that from time to time, that's fine. 38% of your roster, no thanks. Too much turnover.
But yes, not all Jucos are the same nor did I ever claim that was the case.
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To me the real question here is why did the kid go JUCO?
Did he have academic problems?
Was he immature and needed development?
I can't imagine a 6-8 guy with skills getting bypassed by every single D1 school, so there must have been something.
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Sultan, you are correct that not all Jucos are a like. My number one argument against JUCOs remains, it screws up the classes. You have people here for 2 or 3 years, not 4 or 5 years. Want to do that from time to time, that's fine. 38% of your roster, no thanks. Too much turnover.
But yes, not all Jucos are the same nor did I ever claim that was the case.
Except in the Modern Age it is the freshmen and sophomores transferring (or drinking) themselves out. Hell, Teve even transferred as the lone senior. Programs are no longer traditional, non è?
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Sultan, you are correct that not all Jucos are a like. My number one argument against JUCOs remains, it screws up the classes. You have people here for 2 or 3 years, not 4 or 5 years. Want to do that from time to time, that's fine. 38% of your roster, no thanks. Too much turnover.
But yes, not all Jucos are the same nor did I ever claim that was the case.
What screws up classes is players transferring out after, during or before their freshmen years, which repeatedly happen under Buzz,
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To me the real question here is why did the kid go JUCO?
Did he have academic problems?
Was he immature and needed development?
I can't imagine a 6-8 guy with skills getting bypassed by every single D1 school, so there must have been something.
He had two offers Jackson and Kent state
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To me the real question here is why did the kid go JUCO?
Did he have academic problems?
Was he immature and needed development?
I can't imagine a 6-8 guy with skills getting bypassed by every single D1 school, so there must have been something.
http://host.madison.com/sports/high-school/basketball/boys/prep-boys-basketball-troubled-past-behind-him-ex-memorial-player/article_2bbc2a08-51f2-5e37-8398-8b8c825623f9.html
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If he stays on the path, I'd take him.
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Sultan, you are correct that not all Jucos are a like. My number one argument against JUCOs remains, it screws up the classes. You have people here for 2 or 3 years, not 4 or 5 years. Want to do that from time to time, that's fine. 38% of your roster, no thanks. Too much turnover.
But yes, not all Jucos are the same nor did I ever claim that was the case.
Chicos prefers only allowing JUCOs who can accurately calculate the percentage of JUCOs on the roster.
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Steve Collins trolling Marquette
"After two years of playing at Pearl River Community College in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Collins said he believes Willis will have the opportunity to play “high mid-major” basketball."
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We need to add a PF and do not have many options left for 2016. Assuming Henry goes pro. that leaves us 2 center's. I think Luke can play PF. and 6-5-6-6 wings. Cheatum. Cohen, Wally (if he stays) and hauser. We are still going to be good if Wally and henry leave so we cannot leave a gaping hole on the Roster at the 4 spot. All we need is guy that can give you 5 reb and 5 fouls. He looks like he could do that. I'm fine with it. Plus I like lefties.
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Sultan, you are correct that not all Jucos are a like. My number one argument against JUCOs remains, it screws up the classes. You have people here for 2 or 3 years, not 4 or 5 years. Want to do that from time to time, that's fine. 38% of your roster, no thanks. Too much turnover.
I have a hard time justifying a position that Buzz shouldn't have had a team made up of JFB, DJO and Jae because it "screwed up the classes." That was the core group of back to back S16 teams.
Buzz's problems after that weren't due to Jucos screwing up the classes, but taking flyers on too many kids that didn't pan out, (TJT, Ferguson, EWill), or were complete knuckleheads (Mayo.) In fact, he actually may have done better had he been allowed to bring in more Juco-types to fill in holes in the roster.
Let's be honest though. The reason Buzz didn't bring in more Jucos had nothing to do with SP and LW's concern over screwing up the classes. It had everything to do with concerns over the academic preparation of two year Jucos and the image that gave to the program.
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We need to add a PF and do not have many options left for 2016. Assuming Henry goes pro. that leaves us 2 center's. I think Luke can play PF. and 6-5-6-6 wings. Cheatum. Cohen, Wally (if he stays) and hauser. We are still going to be good if Wally and henry leave so we cannot leave a gaping hole on the Roster at the 4 spot. All we need is guy that can give you 5 reb and 5 fouls. He looks like he could do that. I'm fine with it. Plus I like lefties.
Why would Wally leave?
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To me the real question here is why did the kid go JUCO?
Did he have academic problems?
Was he immature and needed development?
I can't imagine a 6-8 guy with skills getting bypassed by every single D1 school, so there must have been something.
Usually a two year Juco hasn't qualified academically. Which means he would need to get his associate degree to qualify to play D1 ball next year. And then the question is what does his transcript look like and how will Marquette transfer the credits.
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I think it's a fine solution. The pitch to a Juco candidate is 'You might get 10 minutes as a Junior or you might get 25 but you're likely to be playing on a really good team in the BEast, either way. In return, I expect 110% in the classroom and on the court and for you to carry yourself every day in a way that makes all of us proud.'
I really can't see that selling a 4-star HS prospect right now but I can see it selling a kid living the life of Arthur Agee, 1000 miles from home.
My hope is that he's progressed beyond some of the youthful immaturity cited in the article that seemingly hurt him as a HS kid in Madison. I'm sure his family would absolute love it having him close to home. And if Wojo is convinced he's the right man at the right time for the right role.....
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Usually a two year Juco hasn't qualified academically. Which means he would need to get his associate degree to qualify to play D1 ball next year. And then the question is what does his transcript look like and how will Marquette transfer the credits.
While this is all true doesn't his D1 offers from Jackson and Kent State suggest that he did qualify but chose the Juco route a la Jimmy Butler and Joe Fulce? Does someone here know his original qualifying status?
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While this is all true doesn't his D1 offers from Jackson and Kent State suggest that he did qualify but chose the Juco route a la Jimmy Butler and Joe Fulce? Does someone here know his original qualifying status?
Just because he had offers doesn't mean he qualified. A bunch of players get offers because their qualification isn't assured until their senior year. Dwight Buycks even verbally committed to Bradley before his academic qualification was fully known.
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Sultan, you are correct that not all Jucos are a like. My number one argument against JUCOs remains, it screws up the classes. You have people here for 2 or 3 years, not 4 or 5 years. Want to do that from time to time, that's fine. 38% of your roster, no thanks. Too much turnover.
But yes, not all Jucos are the same nor did I ever claim that was the case.
Transfers and guys leaving early screws you also. JUCO's can plug holes. nothing wrong with that at all.
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Perhaps we could trust Wojo's judgment and assume this is a high-caliber young man who would pass the test from an academic and character standpoint????
Would that be so crazy?
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Perhaps we could trust Wojo's judgment and assume this is a high-caliber young man who would pass the test from an academic and character standpoint????
Would that be so crazy?
Did anyone say anything different?
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Perhaps we could trust Wojo's judgment and assume this is a high-caliber young man who would pass the test from an academic and character standpoint????
Would that be so crazy?
I trust Wojo. I trusted Buzz. I trusted Crean
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This would be a nice consolation prize to land
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Mark Miller weighs in......http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Basketball/TargetPredictions
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Mark Miller weighs in......http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Basketball/TargetPredictions
#donedeal
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#donedeal
I laughed.
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#donedeal
IMO, MM is as close to a done deal as possible. Very accurate.
This is good.
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IMO, MM is as close to a done deal as possible. Very accurate.
This is good.
Six months ago I'd have agreed with that. Now I just take it as one positive sign, but not at all a lock.
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Respect the process.
It's a fact, not an opinion.
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IMO, MM is as close to a done deal as possible. Very accurate.
This is good.
It's a good sign but Miller changes his picks all the time. He had Coffey and Stevens coming here for awhile
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Right, Brew. Not a lock at all. After all, Miller did predict Stevens to MU...only to switch to PSU.
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Mark Miller weighs in......http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Basketball/TargetPredictions
Jerry Meyer just predicted the same.
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No such thing,its a process, live with it.
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Meyer usually copies Mark when it comes to Wisconsin kids.
My guess is Mark has pretty good sources on Willis(former Madison Memorial player).
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More importantly, can this guy play? Has Mark seen him play since HIgh School? Or for that matter anybody else?
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Wojo thinks he can play......so does Greg Marshall...and Bobby Hurley.
@scottsommer_: Bobby Hurley + 1 (Arizona State), Iowa State, Mississippi State, Wichita State and Texas State were at Pearl River today.
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Any relation to Kevin Willis of the Atlanta Hawks back in the day?
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Meyer usually copies Mark when it comes to Wisconsin kids.
My guess is Mark has pretty good sources on Willis(former Madison Memorial player).
Wait...aren't you Mark?
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Clearly I am Mark.....just not Mark Miller.
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Wish he was 6'9".
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Wish he I was 6'9".
FIFY
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His stats from last season if anyone is interested:
http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/div1/players/darralynwillis38av
14 ppg and 7 rpg isn't super impressive at the juco level. But that was as a freshman. I could see 20 and 10 for him this season. Cautiously optimistic
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His stats from last season if anyone is interested:
http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/div1/players/darralynwillis38av
14 ppg and 7 rpg isn't super impressive at the juco level. But that was as a freshman. I could see 20 and 10 for him this season. Cautiously optimistic
He played 24 minutes a game, shot 62% from the field and 75% from the free throw line.
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I have heard him described as a high energy Jameel McKay type. Obviously not as tall.
I have not seen him play personally.
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I have heard him described as a high energy Jameel McKay type. Obviously not as tall.
I have not seen him play personally.
Where did this kid go to high school?
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He played 24 minutes a game, shot 62% from the field and 75% from the free throw line.
I like good free throw shooters
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Where did this kid go to high school?
Squirmy Prep
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Willis went to Madison Memorial
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Madison Memorial
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His stats from last season if anyone is interested:
http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/div1/players/darralynwillis38av
14 ppg and 7 rpg isn't super impressive at the juco level. But that was as a freshman. I could see 20 and 10 for him this season. Cautiously optimistic
Jay Crowder was 18 and 9 and First Team JUCO All American his sophomore year. Buycks was First Team JUCO All American after a 17 5 and 4 season his sophomore year. Jimmy Butler was 18 and 7 the year we signed him. 14 and 7 is not bad at all for a JUCO player.
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Jay Crowder was 18 and 9 and First Team JUCO All American his sophomore year. Buycks was First Team JUCO All American after a 17 5 and 4 season his sophomore year. Jimmy Butler was 18 and 7 the year we signed him. 14 and 7 is not bad at all for a JUCO player.
You gotta look at the team they played for. Pearl River is a good team but not as good the teams any of those players played for. Pearl River didn't make the NJCAA tournament last year.
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You gotta look at the team they played for. Pearl River is a good team but not as good the teams any of those players played for. Pearl River didn't make the NJCAA tournament last year.
I'm not sure what the team's achievements have to do with an individual's stats. 14 and 7 from a freshman JUCO is very, very good. 20 and 10 is unreasonable, considering we brought in 2 First Team JUCO All Americans that didn't reach those numbers.
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You gotta look at the team they played for. Pearl River is a good team but not as good the teams any of those players played for. Pearl River didn't make the NJCAA tournament last year.
Pearl River lost to Holmes (MS) in overtime in the regional final, so they were one game away from Hutchinson. Willis didn't play because he was ejected from the previous tournament game and couldn't play in the final. He had 27 points and 6 rebounds in their last game against Holmes. Pearl River had beaten Holmes in the two previous meetings.
In the national tournament in Hutchinson, Holmes went on to win their first two games, including a win over Indian Hills, before losing to Hill (TX) by 1 point in the quarterfinals. Hill went on to win the 3rd place game.
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Pearl River lost to Holmes (MS) in overtime in the regional final, so they were one game away from Hutchinson. Willis didn't play because he was ejected from the previous tournament game and couldn't play in the final. He had 27 points and 6 rebounds in their last game against Holmes. Pearl River had beaten Holmes in the two previous meetings.
In the national tournament in Hutchinson, Holmes went on to win their first two games, including a win over Indian Hills, before losing to Hill (TX) by 1 point in the quarterfinals. Hill went on to win the 3rd place game.
But... this doesn't align with the Scoop narrative!
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I'm not sure what the team's achievements have to do with an individual's stats. 14 and 7 from a freshman JUCO is very, very good. 20 and 10 is unreasonable, considering we brought in 2 First Team JUCO All Americans that didn't reach those numbers.
Not all jucos are created equal. Averaging 14 and 7 at Viccenes (number one team in njcaa) is not the same as 14 and 7 at Seminole State (random juco off the top of my head). That be like saying a kid who plays for Grambling is as good as a kid who plays for Belmont with the same stat line.
Again, I'm optimistic about this kid. If he went 14 and 7 as a frosh, than I don't think 20 and 10 is an unrealistic jump at the juco level. Jumps like that are more common in jucos due to the high turnover. Even he didn't make that big of a jump, I'd still want him. Kid is good. I just wouldn't expect him to start right away
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Good analogy TAMU. My hope is that he backs up Henry in '16-'17. In that role I'm convinced we'll be fine.
Funny how college hoops at the high D-1 level has changed in 30 years. 4-star kids now expect serious minutes right away and when they don't have a shot they look elsewhere (Coffey). 3-star kids will only ride the bench through Soph. year before they transfer out for playing time (Jamail Jones). Heck, some kids ('Teve) even leave when they are close to their degree.
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Good analogy TAMU. My hope is that he backs up Henry in '16-'17. In that role I'm convinced we'll be fine.
Funny how college hoops at the high D-1 level has changed in 30 years. 4-star kids now expect serious minutes right away and when they don't have a shot they look elsewhere (Coffey). 3-star kids will only ride the bench through Soph. year before they transfer out for playing time (Jamail Jones). Heck, some kids ('Teve) even leave when they are close to their degree.
I am in agreement with both of you, if Henry stays which is possible, it really does not matter who Wojo recruits for the 13th spot. I believe that 2017 is really important as you might lose Henry and for sure Fisher, so you will need some bigs. Willis can come in, learn the system and be a nice back-up.
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Willis is a different player than anyone on the current roster. Might be a better natural rebounder and shotblocker than anyone at Marquette right now and keeps improving his offensive skills. I could see Henry moving to the 3 on offense and to play with Willis and Fischer at times.
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Willis is a different player than anyone on the current roster. Might be a better natural rebounder and shotblocker than anyone at Marquette right now and keeps improving his offensive skills. I could see Henry moving to the 3 on offense and to play with Willis and Fischer at times.
Jameel McKay type then?
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My guess is that Henry is very likely a one and done. Obviously whomever comes in may have a great shot at starting and/or a lot of playing time, if Henry leaves. If not, he has to be comfortable with being a backup and not getting big minutes for one year.... but he will be on a potentially great team with Henry.
Like so much in life, it is finding the right guy who accepts either scenario and sees the benefits of either getting playing time right away, or, being on a potentially great team and getting experience as a back up for a year. Hopefully this is the guy. I like having a Juco coming in for next year, the right guy would be a perfect fit given the Henry possible scenarios. If Henry leaves, having someone with experience who can play the 4 would be a nice luxury.
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Willis is a different player than anyone on the current roster. Might be a better natural rebounder and shotblocker than anyone at Marquette right now and keeps improving his offensive skills. I could see Henry moving to the 3 on offense and to play with Willis and Fischer at times.
It sounds like you have seen him play? It looks like he is playing center, is he a back to the basket type player or can he put the ball on the floor a little bit and face
up. I like when my 4 can go out at shoot the 3, Crowder and Lazar were really good getting a mismatch with a 4 that could not move to well?
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My guess is that Henry is very likely a one and done. Obviously whomever comes in may have a great shot at starting and/or a lot of playing time, if Henry leaves. If not, he has to be comfortable with being a backup and not getting big minutes for one year.... but he will be on a potentially great team with Henry.
Like so much in life, it is finding the right guy who accepts either scenario and sees the benefits of either getting playing time right away, or, being on a potentially great team and getting experience as a back up for a year. Hopefully this is the guy. I like having a Juco coming in for next year, the right guy would be a perfect fit given the Henry possible scenarios. If Henry leaves, having someone with experience who can play the 4 would be a nice luxury.
All true. And I'll bet there's no promise that Willis won't be 'recruited over'. It's just like J. Elliott on the Packers. Dude is bad@ss but earns nothing but an opportunity because he was an undrafted FA. I like and respect guys like that.
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It sounds like you have seen him play? It looks like he is playing center, is he a back to the basket type player or can he put the ball on the floor a little bit and face
up. I like when my 4 can go out at shoot the 3, Crowder and Lazar were really good getting a mismatch with a 4 that could not move to well?
Willis isn't a 3 point shooter....at all.....but can shoot the mid range from what I have read.
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Willis isn't a 3 point shooter....at all.....but can shoot the mid range from what I have read.
Definitely no three pointer.
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It's a big IF but if Hank is here then this guy is a perfect fit
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My guess is that Henry is very likely a one and done.
I've said it before I think there are a bunch of reasons why Henry is likely to stay 2 years at least. Brother here, no desperate need for money in the family, doesn't mind college, loyal to his coach and teammates, etc. Darrlyn is probably the best you're going to get at the 4 as long as Henry is likely on the roster.
So lets hope for the best.
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There are millions of reasons why most of us feel he's gone, ai na?
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There's a big jump from moderate financial security to multiple commas on your bank account balance. Tough (maybe even dumb) to put that aside for soft sentimental reasons.
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@WORLDHOOPERFED: Pearl River (JC) standout Darryl Willis has offers from Mississippi State, Memphis, Wichita State, Arizona State, Iowa State, & Marquette
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Willis is a different player than anyone on the current roster. Might be a better natural rebounder and shotblocker than anyone at Marquette right now and keeps improving his offensive skills. I could see Henry moving to the 3 on offense and to play with Willis and Fischer at times.
OMG, could this be the rebounding forward whose coming was foretold?
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Willis is moving his visit to Marquette from this weekend to next weekend.
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/654127780750225410
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I guess we'd all better change our screen names to Willis something.
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Willis is moving his visit to Marquette from this weekend to next weekend.
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/654127780750225410
Disappointed by this, mainly because the reason he put off his Marquette visit was so that he could visit Mississippi State this weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if Howland is making a big recruiting weekend using the football game cupcake as a selling point. Bulldogs host Louisiana Tech Saturday.
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Disappointed by this, mainly because the reason he put off his Marquette visit was so that he could visit Mississippi State this weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if Howland is making a big recruiting weekend using the football game cupcake as a selling point. Bulldogs host Louisiana Tech Saturday.
As a juco, you want playing time right away. He can get that if Henry leaves, if not, he is a back-up at MU. It would almost be easier for Wojo to sign somebody in the
spring when he knows what Henry is thinking. That is why many of the top players wait till spring. But if Willis wants to come home, then he will understand competition
and sign early. I think Wojo has showed him the love, been there 3 times this year. Nice air bill for MU.
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I think, if Henry stays he moves to the three if Willis can play power forward. We have a lot of depth at the three, but I think that spot is weaker than point guard.
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Darrlyn Willis is a "type" of player that Marquette doesn't have on its roster for next year. An athletic, rebounding forward who can defend multiple positions. Maybe the closest is Wally, but Wally isn't 6'8". It doesn't matter if he is the "3" or "4" or some such, if he is what I think he is, he would get plenty of time because he would fill a void.
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Disappointed by this, mainly because the reason he put off his Marquette visit was so that he could visit Mississippi State this weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if Howland is making a big recruiting weekend using the football game cupcake as a selling point. Bulldogs host Louisiana Tech Saturday.
I agree. Howland is known for his guard play, but has a really nice history of recruiting big men to sell Willis on:
Aaron Gray
Chris Taft
Kevin Love
Luc Ricard Mbah Mute
Ryan Hollins
The Wear twins
Drew Gordon
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What interest do you think Willis has going to a football game that he knows nobody on both teams??
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What interest do you think Willis has going to a football game that he knows nobody on both teams??
Recruiting tool that MU simply can not offer.
I wish he could have made it to Marquette Madness
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Recruiting tool that MU simply can not offer.
I wish he could have made it to Marquette Madness
I understand that, but take him to a big SEC game, Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, L-Tech now that is exciting?
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What interest do you think Willis has going to a football game that he knows nobody on both teams??
No idea, all I know is he postponed his Marquette visit to go to MSU. So whatever interest, it appears it's greater than his interest in coming to Milwaukee this weekend.
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So whatever interest, it appears it's greater than his interest in coming to Milwaukee this weekend.
I think you might be reading a tad much into this schedule decision. He has an offer from Miss St. We probably was going to go there sooner or later given he is so close. Maybe he was hoping to go to a "big game" but Miss St said "Sorry the games later in the year we can't accommodate you" (as in you're not our #1 priority). He's already missed midnight madness so what difference is it if he comes this weekend or next. If I was a recruit I'd tend to put my first choice last so that I could see everyone else and if my first choice stayed my first choice I'd commit when I was there being that they are my last visit. If he had been waiting for a long time for an offer from Miss St and finally got it and then abruptly canceled his MU visit with a date "not yet scheduled" to go to Miss St then that starts to signal his intentions. This is not that, sit tight.
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I understand that, but take him to a big SEC game, Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, L-Tech now that is exciting?
After my Aggies put the whooping on em, their too afraid. Need to make sure it's a game they can win.
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No idea, all I know is he postponed his Marquette visit to go to MSU. So whatever interest, it appears it's greater than his interest in coming to Milwaukee this weekend.
In the words of the iconic Aaron Rodgers, R-E-L-A-X.
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In the words of the iconic Aaron Rodgers, R-E-L-A-X.
This has been written about most every prospect MU has wanted over the last four months. crap, Cal Poly and Montana are rolling in commitments whilst MU sees top targets go elsewhere.
(And though I appreciate the typical regulars who will list various prep prospects and give explained away reasoning why the kids went elsewhere let's save ourselves 10-12 posts and just both accept MU has missed out on three they desperately wanted)
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This has been written about most every prospect MU has wanted over the last four months. crap, Cal Poly and Montana are rolling in commitments whilst MU sees top targets go elsewhere.
(And though I appreciate the typical regulars who will list various prep prospects and give explained away reasoning why the kids went elsewhere let's save ourselves 10-12 posts and just both accept MU has missed out on three they desperately wanted)
I think I'm pretty relaxed. But it's clear that our recruiting under Wojo has come back down to reality. After seemingly landing every top target he had, we have missed out on all the grad transfers and guys like Amir Coffey and Lamar Stevens, I think it's safe to say that the luster isn't what it was a year ago.
There's nothing wrong with losing recruiting battles. Any coach will lose more than they win. But right now, this team has a desperate need for a rebounder and has for quite awhile, and every candidate out there seems to be taking other offers. It's been a decent stretch since we had a recruiting win, 5 months since Hauser and Rowsey committed within a day of each other.
I'd like to see this staff get back on the winning side of the recruiting battles. Especially at a position of need.
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It is much harder to recruit to a team where everyone is returning versus a team that hd very little returning.
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Assuming Henry returns for a second season, with the two guys already in the fold for '16, where are the available minutes? I am not surprised at all that Wojo hasn't landed that last guy yet. Do the math. Connect the dots. For a legitimate 4 who is good enough to play immediately to come, he would have to be pretty sure HEllenson was one-and-done. IMO, this last schollie isn't filled until spring, and by then it may not be the last schollie.
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Wojo had playin' time to sell recruits on last year, not so much any more. Not so hard to figure, ai na?
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Assuming Henry returns for a second season,
I guess you didn't get the memo that a dozen or so of our fellow Scoopers have: There is zero-point-zero-zero chance of Henry Ellenson returning for a second season.
They know with total certainty because, um, just because!
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I agree to wait till spring even if Henry leaves, so many transfers it is sick, besides Henry, not sold that anybody else is leaving, I could be wrong but it would have to b
be a freshman, so it could only be Hanif or Sacre, Heldt needs sometime to get better, Carter and Ellenson are for sure getting minutes. Cheatham is getting his
minutes as well. So that leaves only one possibility. I like spring transfers, they are here for good and you know what you are getting. You can see the confidence Rowsey has in that scrimmage. If nobody leaves, the backcourt should have a lot of depth, and can shoot the ball.
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Says he's a Wichita St. lean. Next...
Name: Darrlyn Willis
Classification: Sophomore
Junior College: Pearl River Community College
High School: Madison Memorial (Madison, Wisconsin)
Position: Forward
HT-WT: 6-foot-9, 220
Colleges of Interest: Arizona State, Louisiana Tech, Marquette, Memphis, Mississippi State, Oklahoma State, Pittsburgh, UT-Martin, Wichita State
"I am visiting Mississippi State this weekend," said Willis. "I've already visited Wichita State. After Mississippi State I have Marquette, then Arizona State, then Oklahoma State. I will make my decision after that."
He explained when Mississippi State got involved in his recruitment.
"Mississippi State got involved when all the schools started coming in," said Willis. "(Mississippi State assistant) Coach (George) Brooks is recruiting me. He said he really likes my game. Then, the head coach (Ben Howland) came in to see me practice and he liked my game a lot. They are recruiting me pretty hard now."
Prior to them recruiting him, he knew very little about the school.
"To be honest to you I am new to down here so I had never heard about Mississippi State," said Willis. "I have watched them on tv. But I am new to everything down here because I am a up north guy."
He does know about head man Ben Howland. And he is impressed.
"Coach Howland has a pretty long resume," said Willis. "Coach Brooks told me about all the achievements that he has, all the players that he has sent to the NBA."
He pointed out why he decided to add Mississippi State to his official visit list.
"I decided to visit them because they have done a pretty good job of recruiting me," said Willis. "But they really got me when they said they are losing five starters next year. I can come in and be an instant impact guy. I have two years left. I'm trying to make it just like the guys who are coming out of high school."
Like with all the schools that he is visiting, he has several things that he will look at while on his official visit.
"I am looking to see if I am going to get along with the players, see if I like it on the campus, see how the coach coaches, if it is a good environment," noted Willis. "I want to be around good people. I want to be around people that are going to help me excel."
Although he still has four visits to take, one school has really impressed Willis.
"I am leaning to Wichita State," he said. "I like them a lot. (Head Coach) Greg Marshall is a really cool coach. I like him a lot. I like the entire coaching staff a lot. I like all of the players that are coming back next year. I like the strength coach a lot as well. And I can go in there and be an instant impact as well."
He explained why he hasn't committed to them despite liking them a great deal.
"I didn't commit to them because I wanted to give everybody a fair chance," said Willis. "I don't want to go to a school and commit right away. That defeats the purpose. I want to see who wants me really badly. I don't want to be a backup man for them. I want to be at the top of the billboard with them. I want to know that they really need me. I don't want it to be like we didn't get this guy so let's go get Darral."
Last season Willis was a first-team All-MACJC selection and an All-Region 23 selection after averaging 13.8 points per game, hitting 62.6 percent from the field and 75.5 percent at the foul line. He also pulled down a team-high 7.1 rebounds per game. He helped lead his team to a 25-5 overall record and a MACJC state championship.
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I think I'm pretty relaxed. But it's clear that our recruiting under Wojo has come back down to reality. After seemingly landing every top target he had, we have missed out on all the grad transfers and guys like Amir Coffey and Lamar Stevens, I think it's safe to say that the luster isn't what it was a year ago.
There's nothing wrong with losing recruiting battles. Any coach will lose more than they win. But right now, this team has a desperate need for a rebounder and has for quite awhile, and every candidate out there seems to be taking other offers. It's been a decent stretch since we had a recruiting win, 5 months since Hauser and Rowsey committed within a day of each other.
I'd like to see this staff get back on the winning side of the recruiting battles. Especially at a position of need.
Define "come back down to reality." We have 2 scholarships to give out for next season. 1 of them is filled by a top 100 and rising kid. We don't know what we're going to get with the next 1. If we get another top 100 kid, a good grad transfer, or a good JUCO transfer...well, I don't know what I would say that is. So far Wojo has 1 recruiting class and it is stellar. If he follows it up with a 2nd recruiting class is both a good fit and highly thought of, maybe "reality" is that Wojo can recruit as well as we've seen in a really, really long time.
We also don't know what we have in terms of rebounding. Heldt won't play much, but he if there's one thing he can contribute it's his ability to rebound the basketball. By the time a player comes in next year, Heldt will have a year up within the program on whoever that may be. Hank may not jump out of the gym, but he can rebound the basketball. Luke was injured last year so while he was unimpressive in that phase of the game, we'll see how he looks with a healthy 2 arms to work with. Traci can rebound the ball for a guard, which is what can be the difference between a good rebounding team and a bad rebounding team (if you have guards who can rebound). Sacar will be a good rebounder, and Wally and Sandy might be for their positions, too. I'll go ahead and say this and putting the basketball in the bucket will be the 2 most improved aspects of our team this year.
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With regards to Willis, wanting to be the guy with his 'name up on the billboard' marketing the program isn't happening here. Don't mean to clue you in young man and not in any way diminishing your skills. ::)
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Next man up, hey?
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Define "come back down to reality."
Wojo's first year of recruiting was pretty surreal. He retained Cohen, then landed arguably the best graduate transfer in the country in Matt Carlino. As soon as he starts on the 2015 class, it seems we immediately get Heldt. Next thing you know, we've got a top-100 kid from Florida and a McDonald's All-American in the fold.
With two holes to fill, Wojo first turns north to Minnesota and lands the top player in the state in Anim, prying him away from the home school of Minnesota and the Northern Iowa team that had been on him since forever. Then Wojo goes into Philly (a place MU had largely been blacklisted from) and lands a PG in Traci Carter that was targeted by UConn and NC State, among others, in what seemed to be about a month of dedicated recruiting.
For his first year, Wojo was darn near bulletproof when it came to recruiting. There were a couple guys he went after and didn't get, but it seemed when he zeroed in on a target, it was only a matter of time before they committed.
Now we are seeing guys go elsewhere, we are losing recruiting battles for players we were at one point or another favored for, we are coming back down to reality. I hope we have rebounding in this team, but last year we were a terrible rebounding team and we lost our two best rebounders in Anderson and Taylor along with our two best rebounding guards in Derrick and Carlino. I sincerely hope there's improvement in that regard, but going into this year it looks to be a weakness of this team. Nothing wrong with having a weakness, but it's one more reason we could really use someone who is regarded for their rebounding ability like Stevens or Willis.
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Says he's a Wichita St. lean. Next...
"I am visiting Mississippi State this weekend," said Willis. "I've already visited Wichita State. After Mississippi State I have Marquette, then Arizona State, then Oklahoma State. I will make my decision after that."
He says he's leaning toward Wichita State right now, but that's the only place he's visited. At least let him make all his visits before we decide if he's gone.
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Wojo's first year of recruiting was pretty surreal. He retained Cohen, then landed arguably the best graduate transfer in the country in Matt Carlino. As soon as he starts on the 2015 class, it seems we immediately get Heldt. Next thing you know, we've got a top-100 kid from Florida and a McDonald's All-American in the fold.
With two holes to fill, Wojo first turns north to Minnesota and lands the top player in the state in Anim, prying him away from the home school of Minnesota
Are you really prying someone away when they aren't even recruiting him?
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Are you really prying someone away when they aren't even recruiting him?
More like prayed him away from Northwestern.....
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Are you really prying someone away when they aren't even recruiting him?
Fair statement, Minnesota watched him, but never went all-in. Still, there was definitely an aura of invincibility around Wojo. Landed Heldt, Cheatham, and Henry in short order, then went out and filled out a five-man class at each position with a point and small forward. It seemed like a perfect storm. This year, a bit less so.
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Now we are seeing guys go elsewhere, we are losing recruiting battles for players we were at one point or another favored for, we are coming back down to reality. I hope we have rebounding in this team, but last year we were a terrible rebounding team and we lost our two best rebounders in Anderson and Taylor along with our two best rebounding guards in Derrick and Carlino. I sincerely hope there's improvement in that regard, but going into this year it looks to be a weakness of this team. Nothing wrong with having a weakness, but it's one more reason we could really use someone who is regarded for their rebounding ability like Stevens or Willis.
I think you're being too hard on Wojo. Because we had such a stellar class last year, this year's kids are looking at it and don't see an immediate role here for themselves. So they're choosing to go where they think they might nab a spot in the starting lineup right away. If Henry goes after this year (for the record, I hope he doesn't, but I'm realistic) we may be able to pick up a top recruit in the spring, depending on how the team does. And in 2017, incoming freshmen might see more opportunities at Marquette than next year.
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I wouldn't write Marquette off in this one, just yet.
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I wouldn't write Marquette off in this one, just yet.
You're the man Ted! Say hi to Lou Grant for me!
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Cant be--he said he was a lean to a school after a visit so the next logical move is to forget about him--he gowne--next man up.
HS kids rarely (if ever) waiver from a lean, so we should just let him know hes not welcome.
I also heard he was going to a crapy football game......and he didnt even know the players.
How could he pull such a stunt?
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Did he ever visit?
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Did he ever visit?
This upcoming weekend.
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I like the fact that he worked in his Mississippi State visit before ours, so we are still his last visit.
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I like the fact that he worked in his Mississippi State visit before ours, so we are still his last visit.
I think I read that he was committed to taking all 5 official visits. Does MU's visit make 5?
And a little of mom's home cooking after a year living in a Juco double wide can't be a bad thing.
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I think I read that he was committed to taking all 5 official visits. Does MU's visit make 5?
And a little of mom's home cooking after a year living in a Juco double wide can't be a bad thing.
I stand corrected. No, it doesn't, MU is number 3. He'll has two more visits after MU scheduled, Arizona State and Oklahoma State.
It appears that Memphis is out of luck since he won't be visiting there.
Uh-oh...
'He pointed out why he decided to add Mississippi State to his official visit list.
"I decided to visit them because they have done a pretty good job of recruiting me," said Willis. "But they really got me when they said they are losing five starters next year. I can come in and be an instant impact guy. I have two years left. I'm trying to make it just like the guys who are coming out of high school."'
Oops...
"I want to see who wants me really badly. I don't want to be a backup man for them. I want to be at the top of the billboard with them. I want to know that they really need me. I don't want it to be like we didn't get this guy so let's go get Darral (sic)."
The Mark Miller and Jerry Meyer predictions (on 247Sports) that Willis was headed to MU predate the above remarks.
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"I want to be at the top of the billboard with them. I want to know that they really need me."
If he plays at MU next year, Willis' role will be primarily to rebound and defend. If he wants a starring role, he may be better served elsewhere.
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If Henry leaves, the starting PF spot is wide open for Willis to take. Unless we plan to have Sandy, Sacar, and Wally manning the post. Gotta convince Willis that Henry is gone.... and then hope Henry comes back anyway :D
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I think Willis could be an "instant impact" guy at Marquette next year. As I mentioned earlier, there is no one of his type on the roster. Even with HE coming back, I could see him playing a significant role if not starting.
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I think Willis could be an "instant impact" guy at Marquette next year. As I mentioned earlier, there is no one of his type on the roster. Even with HE coming back, I could see him playing a significant role if not starting.
True. Even if Henry stays, I can see Willis carving out 15-20 minutes off the bench easy. Heldt is purely a 5 and Sacar/Wally/Sandy are much better at the 3.
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True. Even if Henry stays, I can see Willis carving out 15-20 minutes off the bench easy. Heldt is purely a 5 and Sacar/Wally/Sandy are much better at the 3.
Agreed. Wojo has playing time to sell. Maybe off bench but time nevertheless.
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True. Even if Henry stays, I can see Willis carving out 15-20 minutes off the bench easy. Heldt is purely a 5 and Sacar/Wally/Sandy are much better at the 3.
I can see a front line of Luke, Henry and Willis. I think both Henry and Willis could guard small.
That being said, I think if the guy wants to maximize his minutes, MSU is probably as good a place as any. No doubt that he would likely get more there than at MU.
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I think Willis could be an "instant impact" guy at Marquette next year. As I mentioned earlier, there is no one of his type on the roster. Even with HE coming back, I could see him playing a significant role if not starting.
There's a big difference between "could be" and "We've got a hole at that spot that we'll need to fill." It seems probable to me that your definition of instant impact isn't the same as Willis' definition.
Hopefully, coming home will give us an edge and color his thinking a little so that Willis gives MU the benefit of the doubt on close calls.
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Willis still coming this weekend? Be nice if Jabari and a few Buck buddies could join the pickup game in Kasten but I'm not sure that'll be allowed this close to the season.
Let's hope Wojo can seal the deal next week despite Darrlyn's stated desire to do all 5 visits.
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He's scheduled to be in Milwaukee for the weekend.
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Weather was so much better last weekend. ;)
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Willis still coming this weekend? Be nice if Jabari and a few Buck buddies could join the pickup game in Kasten but I'm not sure that'll be allowed this close to the season.
Let's hope Wojo can seal the deal next week despite Darrlyn's stated desire to do all 5 visits.
If Jabari is playin' pickup games when he isn't ready to play in regular games, there's trouble brewing ;D
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If Jabari is playin' pickup games when he isn't ready to play in regular games, there's trouble brewing ;D
Him and his hometown hero Derrick Rose must be talking, ai'na?
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He's scheduled to be in Milwaukee for the weekend.
I don't understand why they chose this weekend for his visit. Campus is gonna be dead due to fall break.
That said I hope he has a great time and becomes a Warrior
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They tried to get him in last weekend but Willis rescheduled.
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Marquette no longer being considered.
He's announcing at 3pm today.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article44191335.html
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Next man up, hey?
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Ners cooled on him anyways.
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When a man is given the opportunity to live in a Wichita it is hard to look elsewhere