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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on August 31, 2015, 10:12:25 PM
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Some can try to downplay expectations and talk about how freshman don't produce unless they're at Kentucky (news flash, Kentucky was all over him), but anything less than 13 and 5.5 from King Henry is a big time disappointment to me.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2554973-hes-got-next-henry-ellenson-looks-like-top-10-pick-in-2016-nba-draft
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Two considerations. First, he was playing against semi-pro talent in Europe. I am very high on Henry but before I sign-up for Bucks tickets to see him, I want to see Henry against top-tier college talent.
Secondly, what will be, will be. If he is indeed that good, we have the makings of a good run this season. I can hardly wait for winter!
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It becoming apparent to me that this year's team will be better than the 2016-17 version that is often talked about as the final four threat.
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Some can try to downplay expectations and talk about how freshman don't produce unless they're at Kentucky (news flash, Kentucky was all over him), but anything less than 13 and 5.5 from King Henry is a big time disappointment to me I.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2554973-hes-got-next-henry-ellenson-looks-like-top-10-pick-in-2016-nba-draft
FIFY :)
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I think HE is going to be fantastic but we will only get one year of him. Yeah it was against bad Euros, but he showed a tremendous amount of skill. With his inside/out game, I think he's a better pro prospect than Diamond.
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It becoming apparent to me that this year's team will be better than the 2016-17 version that is often talked about as the final four threat.
Yeah, if we are going to have him for only one year (which means he truly is an excellent player), it's too bad it isn't 2016-17. I think that would be the team that has the best chance to do something special.
I think I'll just try to enjoy watching him play and not worry about whether he's staying until April.
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I want him to be awesome but one year would really stink in my opinion - it's interesting - the type of game he plays has me wondering whether truly is ready after one year - he doesn't have the size of say a one year Jabari Parker - and he isn't some freak guard that clearly can operate at a pro level - while it might seem clear to NBA teams that he will be a great player in time, and thus have the requisite 'ceiling' for a top ten pick - I really think at least two years would be best for him - if he's gonna be an inside out stretch four, he's going to need to be a good perimeter defender - it takes time to build the savvy for most big guys to play out there- someone like Korver in the NBA could be a blueprint - he spent some early seasons relegated to spot shooting while he worked on being a better athlete out there - here's hoping Henry does that here and has an unfinished business attitude going into next year - but - that signing bonus can change everything for a family -
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Yeah, if we are going to have him for only one year (which means he truly is an excellent player), it's too bad it isn't 2016-17. I think that would be the team that has the best chance to do something special.
I think I'll just try to enjoy watching him play and not worry about whether he's staying until April.
As long as they are better than 14-15 I will be a more happy person this winter.
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Defense is the one thing that can hurt his stock enough to keep him here for a second year. He's as skilled offensively as any player I've seen at MU. But, who does he guard at the next level? Not quite strong enough to guard a pro 4, and not quick enough to guard the wing.
That said, I fully expect Henry to be shaking Adam Silver's hand in NYC next summer.
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FIFY :)
Wrong
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FIFY :)
Wadesworld and g0lden3agle are correct, you are wrong. Objects of prepositions should be in the objective case, i.e., me (objective case) not I (nominative case).
http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/prepositions_object_of_a_preposition.htm (http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/prepositions_object_of_a_preposition.htm)
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FIFY :)
Haha well played.
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Wrong
Wadesworld and g0lden3agle are correct, you are wrong. Objects of prepositions should be in the objective case, i.e., me (objective case) not I (nominative case).
http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/prepositions_object_of_a_preposition.htm (http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/prepositions_object_of_a_preposition.htm)
You both should read this thread, and then maybe you'll understand...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48465.0
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You both should read this thread, and then maybe you'll understand...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48465.0
Haha yup.
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I saw Henry play in the preseason, and he is who we thought he was.
That's why we took the damn court!
If you want to crown him, crown his a$$.
But he is who we thought he was, and we let him off the hook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86w
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86w)
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Bilde has better control over the English language than most Scoopers.
Wuz goodie
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I was thinking yesterday while at the gym looking out at the BC... I think Henry stays 4 years wanting to be the first MU player to lead them onto the new arena court ever!
Then again I was drunk from a Monday lunch event and was also contemplating whether I would eat one piece of poop once a week for the rest of my life for 100K a year. So that was my mind frame.
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I was thinking yesterday while at the gym looking out at the BC... I think Henry stays 4 years wanting to be the first MU player to lead them onto the new arena court ever!
Then again I was drunk from a Monday lunch event and was also contemplating whether I would eat one piece of poop once a week for the rest of my life for 100K a year. So that was my mind frame.
I think that'd depend on your diet. I mean are you eating mexican and indian a lot? Maybe do a couple vegan days or something you could do it. Better hope you don't get the stomach flu any week though.
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Then again I was drunk from a Monday lunch event and was also contemplating whether I would eat one piece of poop once a week for the rest of my life for 100K a year. So that was my mind frame.
For $100K?
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Guy at my client told me his contact lens liquid stuff was "just water." I then offered $ for him to drink the bottle (8 oz?)
He's close. I'm only in for $20. Crowd funding now.
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- he doesn't have the size of say a one year Jabari Parker -
Just wondering about this part... Parker is currently listed at 6-8 240 on the Bucks roster, and Henry is listed at 6-10 245 as an incoming freshman. Henry may or may not be here for a 2nd year, but I think he has the size of Parker.
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I was thinking yesterday while at the gym looking out at the BC... I think Henry stays 4 years wanting to be the first MU player to lead them onto the new arena court ever!
Then again I was drunk from a Monday lunch event and was also contemplating whether I would eat one piece of poop once a week for the rest of my life for 100K a year. So that was my mind frame.
I do not think you would live very long, so the 100K a year would not have much value.
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I think we should want Henry to be 1 and done. It will help Wojo recruit more stud players.
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Just wondering about this part... Parker is currently listed at 6-8 240 on the Bucks roster, and Henry is listed at 6-10 245 as an incoming freshman. Henry may or may not be here for a 2nd year, but I think he has the size of Parker.
nice catch - I guess I meant the strength - parker really seems like a Barkley type - henry I don't think goes that way
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I think we should want Henry to be 1 and done. It will help Wojo recruit more stud players.
it might - I'd rather hold on to the one we got than bank on more coming
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nice catch - I guess I meant the strength - parker really seems like a Barkley type - henry I don't think goes that way
Barkley as in Charles Barkley? Because I don't think Parker is anything like Charles Barkley.
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Yeah, I never saw Parker as a banger or real physical player. He certainly wasn't out-of-shape, but I don't think anyone considered him an impressive physical specimen. I see Parker's game as more similar to Big Dawg than Barkley, more offensive skill and finesse than using his body.
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Yeah Robinson is a good comparison. I think I need to see him play a full year to get a better impression. Players are used so differently now so sometimes its hard to make great comparisons.
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The only person that tall who isn't a big physical specimen and can do those handles is Durant off the top of my head.
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I think we should want Henry to be 1 and done. It will help Wojo recruit more stud players.
Yep. Think long game here. Wojo sends Hank 1 & done to the league, and it'll help him land other high end players in the future.
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Yep. Think long game here. Wojo sends Hank 1 & done to the league, and it'll help him land other high end players in the future.
Maybe. Not sure it worked for schools like USC.
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Yep. Think long game here. Wojo sends Hank 1 & done to the league, and it'll help him land other high end players in the future.
I would never want a player of Henry's caliber to leave early if it can be helped. But I definitely want him to be as successful as possible in the NBA.
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Maybe. Not sure it worked for schools like USC.
We are a different class of program than USC and Wojo is a different level recruiter than anyone they've had as HC.
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OK, let's assume Henry is everything we hope he will be and he's one and done.
We better be ready to do a Final Four run next year! Otherwise, it's a huge disappointment given that much talent in one player.
How do we get there? Henry, Luke and Duane should carry us. The supporting cast -- Sandy and the Engine -- looks much improved and we have depth.
That said, let's wait until the season starts before we buy tickets to Houston.
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Yeah, I never saw Parker as a banger or real physical player. He certainly wasn't out-of-shape, but I don't think anyone considered him an impressive physical specimen. I see Parker's game as more similar to Big Dawg than Barkley, more offensive skill and finesse than using his body.
Reminds me of Cornbread Maxwell.
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I think Henry will have an excellent career with us. My base case is that he will steadily progress peaking as a Senior when he will be Big East Player of the Year. I recognize I am in the minority on this. I believe when he faces legit competition like Iowa, LSU, NC State, Wisconsin and our conference opponents there will be a learning curve that many are not factoring in.
I understand the logic of leaving early while you still have upside, so that the player is peaking when the second contract comes around. If that is the case more power to him.
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I think Henry will have an excellent career with us. My base case is that he will steadily progress peaking as a Senior when he will be Big East Player of the Year. I recognize I am in the minority on this. I believe when he faces legit competition like Iowa, LSU, NC State, Wisconsin and our conference opponents there will be a learning curve that many are not factoring in.
I understand the logic of leaving early while you still have upside, so that the player is peaking when the second contract comes around. If that is the case more power to him.
Henry not being an all-time great Marquette college basketball player this year and Henry being a lottery pick are not mutually exclusive.
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I think Henry will have an excellent career with us. My base case is that he will steadily progress peaking as a Senior when he will be Big East Player of the Year. I recognize I am in the minority on this. I believe when he faces legit competition like Iowa, LSU, NC State, Wisconsin and our conference opponents there will be a learning curve that many are not factoring in.
I understand the logic of leaving early while you still have upside, so that the player is peaking when the second contract comes around. If that is the case more power to him.
::)
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I was thinking yesterday while at the gym looking out at the BC... I think Henry stays 4 years wanting to be the first MU player to lead them onto the new arena court ever!
Then again I was drunk from a Monday lunch event and was also contemplating whether I would eat one piece of poop once a week for the rest of my life for 100K a year. So that was my mind frame.
Of course, you could join the Navy and enjoy a steady diet of sh1t sandwiches three times a day for 20 years
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I think Henry will have an excellent career with us. My base case is that he will steadily progress peaking as a Senior when he will be Big East Player of the Year. I recognize I am in the minority on this. I believe when he faces legit competition like Iowa, LSU, NC State, Wisconsin and our conference opponents there will be a learning curve that many are not factoring in.
I understand the logic of leaving early while you still have upside, so that the player is peaking when the second contract comes around. If that is the case more power to him.
Depaul has a better chance of winning the national championship then Henry staying all 4 years.
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Hopin' he doesn't transfer to Iowa State, hey?
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Depaul has a better chance of winning the national championship then than Henry staying all 4 years.
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Of course, you could join the Navy and enjoy a steady diet of sh1t sandwiches three times a day for 20 years
Do I not have to work ever again and get 100k a year? Then yes!
Side note, someone said don't buy your Houston tickets yet. I agree, and yes we beat some Europeans... But I think we will get an early gauge this year. What if we come out of the gate and beat LSU, NC, and Wisconsin... Lose to Iowa... (Blame it on young team..) I'll be looking at flights.
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Do I not have to work ever again and get 100k a year? Then yes!
You'll spend it all by October.
One of the great benefits of working is not only do you earn money, but you don't have time to spend it.
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You'll spend it all by October.
One of the great benefits of working is not only do you earn money, but you don't have time to spend it.
You must not be married.
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You must not be married.
The wife works too. ;)
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Do I not have to work ever again and get 100k a year? Then yes!
Side note, someone said don't buy your Houston tickets yet. I agree, and yes we beat some Europeans... But I think we will get an early gauge this year. What if we come out of the gate and beat LSU, NC, and Wisconsin... Lose to Iowa... (Blame it on young team..) I'll be looking at flights.
Yes, i'm quoting a site i've never heard of as fact. But even if their research isn't 100% accurate it would still be a turn around of historic proportion:
http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/turnarounds_ncaa_basketball/missouri_2009.html?state=stop (http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/turnarounds_ncaa_basketball/missouri_2009.html?state=stop)
There is only one team that has ever won less than 15 games one year and made it past the sweet16 the next year and that was the 98-99 Buckeye's that made it to the final 4 -- that run had to be vacated due to sanctions.
Missouri was 16-16 in 07 then went to the great 8 the next year but i see 16-16 more than a skip from 13-19.
What this list tells me is that making the NCAA off of a 13 win season is a major accomplishment - we need to keep that as the "happy" goal.
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The wife works too. ;)
Doesn't matter, does it. Genetic.
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When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was started by Denny Green.
Then I realized it would have been titled, "Crown his ass!"
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Anyone hear the guy from Bleacher Report on 1250 WSSP talk about Henry today? I'll post a link to the audio when it comes available.
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Didn't think Wasserman said chit. I coulda given that scoutin' report. BTW, don't ya just wanna step on Wickett and if I hear that asinine commercial for da All-American Cowboy Burger one more time, I'm gonna send the local hate group over to Perkins, hey?
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Anyone hear the guy from Bleacher Report on 1250 WSSP talk about Henry today? I'll post a link to the audio when it comes available.
Yeah, he expects Hank to finish top 2 in BE POY voting along with Dunn, 90% 1 and done (compared to 70% for Stone), and thinks Marquette will be a "force" and it starts with Hank.
The guy wasn't ranked top 5 in the country by accident.
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I thought we weren't allowed to read BleacherReport here?
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Didn't think Wasserman said chit. I coulda given that scoutin' report. BTW, don't ya just wanna step on Wickett and if I hear that asinine commercial for da All-American Cowboy Burger one more time, I'm gonna send the local hate group over to Perkins, hey?
That show is horrible. Wickett is a clown, but at least he can speak in coherent sentences. I don't know how Friemund has a job in radio.
And you're right, the guest didn't say anything we didn't know already.
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I would never want a player of Henry's caliber to leave early if it can be helped. But I definitely want him to be as successful as possible in the NBA.
"if it can be helped"
By who? Would you want Wojo to stunt his development, or would you prefer for Henry to get complacent and not work hard?
"a player of Henry's caliber" leaves after one year of college. If he doesn't then he really wasn't "a player of Henry's caliber".
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Do I not have to work ever again and get 100k a year? Then yes!
Side note, someone said don't buy your Houston tickets yet. I agree, and yes we beat some Europeans... But I think we will get an early gauge this year. What if we come out of the gate and beat LSU, NC, and Wisconsin... Lose to Iowa... (Blame it on young team..) I'll be looking at flights.
You have totally redefined the term "Sh1t eating grin" for me.
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Here is the clip.
http://media.1057fmthefan.com/a/108820203/09-02-15-jonathan-wasserman-joins-chuck-and-wickett.htm?pageid=911298
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"Down to 228 pounds after weighing in at 261 back in 2012"
I wonder how much is just diet?