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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mu03eng on August 20, 2015, 08:35:55 AM
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OK, quality of competition aside, I think there is some value to projecting this years rotation/minutes and where the players will be used. This assumes no injuries etc.
Sacar = 3 min at the 3 and 5 min at the 4 (8 min total)
The Engine = 28 min at the 1 (28 min total)
Haanif = 8 min at the 1 (8 min total)
Sandy = 25 min at the 3 (25 min total)
Henry = 28 min at the 4 (28 min total)
Wally = 3 min at the 3 and 4 min at the 4 (7 min total)
Luke = 34 min at the 5 (34 min total)
Heldt = 6 min at the 5 (5 min total)
JjJ = 9 min at the 2 and 9 min at the 3 (18 min total)
Duane = 4 min at the 1 and 31 min at the 2 (35 min total)
Thoughts? I really want to see Henry spend some time at the 3 but I really don't see how we can do that with the roster composition.
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OK, quality of competition aside, I think there is some value to projecting this years rotation/minutes and where the players will be used. This assumes no injuries etc.
Sacar = 3 min at the 3 and 5 min at the 4 (8 min total)
The Engine = 28 min at the 1 (28 min total)
Haanif = 8 min at the 1 (8 min total)
Sandy = 25 min at the 3 (25 min total)
Henry = 28 min at the 4 (28 min total)
Wally = 3 min at the 3 and 4 min at the 4 (7 min total)
Luke = 34 min at the 5 (34 min total)
JjJ = 9 min at the 2 and 9 min at the 3 (18 min total)
Duane = 4 min at the 1 and 31 min at the 2 (35 min total)
Thoughts? I really want to see Henry spend some time at the 3 but I really don't see how we can do that with the roster composition.
No Matt Heldt? Did you forget him or think he gets no minutes. Seems like you left him 6 mins at Center, but forgot tomput him in?
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I like Wojo, but don't think he can go 10 deep.
We'll see it for some of the early games, then he'll tighten up to 8 max.
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No Matt Heldt? Did you forget him or think he gets no minutes. Seems like you left him 6 mins at Center, but forgot tomput him in?
I did forget him, typo on my part and I've since corrected. Thanks!
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I like Wojo, but don't think he can go 10 deep.
We'll see it for some of the early games, then he'll tighten up to 8 max.
We played 8 max a lot last season and how'd that turn out? No way we go with a rotation shorter than 9 in conference play.
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I think Haanif will play a lot more than 8 minutes per game. JJJ looks improved, but I think ultimately Haanif will dip into his minutes, and some of Carter's at PG. I think somewhere closer to 15-18. I think this minute distribution for Sandy is simply a product of him missing out on the Italy games.
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I think Haanif should redshirt, if he is only going to play 8 minutes. Somebody said that if you played in Italy you are not eligible to redshirt, which means he is the only redshirt candidate.
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Somewhat incomplete until we see what Haanif can do. But my best guess:
Duane: 30 minutes
Henry: 29 minutes
Luke: 25 minutes
Traci: 24 minutes
Sandy: 23 Minutes
JJJ: 21 minutes
Haanif: 16 minutes
Sacar: 13 minutes
Wally: 13 minutes
Heldt: 6 Minutes
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My thinking is that the time in Italy showed that there isn't really much of a drop off after the starting five, yet your projections have only one guy (JJJ) playing more than 8 minutes but less than 25. My guess is that guys like Traci, Sandy and Luke will go down a bit, and Haanif and Sacar will go up. Maybe Wally too.
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My thinking is that the time in Italy showed that there isn't really much of a drop off after the starting five, yet your projections have only one guy (JJJ) playing more than 8 minutes but less than 25. My guess is that guys like Traci, Sandy and Luke will go down a bit, and Haanif and Sacar will go up. Maybe Wally too.
Agreed. Our #7 and #8 players will be getting more than 8 minutes. And Duane isn't playing 35.
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Agreed. Our #7 and #8 players will be getting more than 8 minutes. And Duane isn't playing 35.
Why isn't Duane playing 35 minutes? Because the drop off behind him isn't significant enough or because he can't play 35 minutes effectively? Or some combination of the two?
IMHO, I think Duane is the only player when we have a significant drop off behind. Not knocking the guys behind(too much) but I think Duane is going to be the real deal this year. Luke is great, but Henry/Heldt can spell him without a ton of trouble and Henry is great but we have options I like where we can go small at the 4 plus Henry is a freshmen so his efficiency won't be great at a lot of minutes.
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Because my experience tells me very few players play 35. I'm happy to be proven wrong. I guess if your saying 'conference crunch time' then I'll believe it but against Grambling he's getting 24 and that'll bring down the average.
Just did a little quick research Phil. Went back 5-6 years. Only Jimmy Butler has even gotten to 34 minutes. Other team leaders have been 30-33. Carlino last year was 33 when you were the next option off the bench. ;D
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Carlino last year was 33 when you were the next option off the bench. ;D
Still bitter about that since I never got into the game....I got 5 fouls to give like everyone else.
It is a fair point, in my head I was wondering how many minutes the lead player played in college typically. Like with everything else I got lazy, didn't look anything up and threw crap at the wall.
So if we take Duane down 3 minutes to 32....who picks up those 3 minutes? Haanif? Not sure about that til I see him play. More likely JjJ gets more time at the 2.
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More history from last year:
Luke: 29.3 mpg
Duane: 28.1
JjJ: 21.7
Sandy: 15.0
Everyone with the possible exception of JjJ will see an increase. Luke/Duane to 'max' minutes (31-34), Sandy to Juan type numbers around 25-28. Totally agree with Engine in the upper 20s too.
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Somewhat incomplete until we see what Haanif can do. But my best guess:
Duane: 30 minutes
Henry: 29 minutes
Luke: 25 minutes
Traci: 24 minutes
Sandy: 23 Minutes
JJJ: 21 minutes
Haanif: 16 minutes
Sacar: 13 minutes
Wally: 13 minutes
Heldt: 6 Minutes
I'm confident you're now prepared to 'revise and extend your remarks'. ;)
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When projecting minutes you need to average more than 200 minutes to account for DNP-CD, injuries, and suspensions. We need to play Duane, Ellenson and Fischer 30+ and wouldn't be shocked to see Wilson play 35+.
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Duane 30
Henry 30
Luke 28
Traci 25
Sandy 23
Jajuan 21
Haanif 17
Sacar 14
Wally 7
Matt 5
Traci and Haanif split PG and Haanif gets some minutes on the wing. Total projection on my part since Haanif is an unknown. Duane is the 3rd PG, if necessary.
Sandy and Jajuan, their minutes vary as Wojo plays the hot hand or better matchup. Sandy starts all year with Jajuan being the 6th man. Sandy blends nicely with the starters as a shot up shooter and passer, Jajuan comes off the bench in attack mode as a driver.
Henry backs up Luke at the 5 and MU plays small when either goes to the bench. Sacar will backup the 4. Will have to zone larger teams, mainly 2-3 but a 1-3-1 trap when Wojo wants to provide pressure.
Matt will play spot minutes at the 5. Needs to improve his conditioning, quickness and athleticism. I see him playing short 2-3 minute stints. Todd Smith will be his best friend.
Wally is an energy guy, will provide highlight reel dunks & blocks and can knock down the occasional triple. Thinner than last year, I think he is a wing only and I don't see him playing the 4.
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Duane 30
Henry 30
Luke 28
Traci 25
Sandy 23
Jajuan 21
Haanif 17
Sacar 14
Wally 7
Matt 5
Traci and Haanif split PG and Haanif gets some minutes on the wing. Total projection on my part since Haanif is an unknown. Duane is the 3rd PG, if necessary.
Sandy and Jajuan, their minutes vary as Wojo plays the hot hand or better matchup. Sandy starts all year with Jajuan being the 6th man. Sandy blends nicely with the starters as a shot up shooter and passer, Jajuan comes off the bench in attack mode as a driver.
Henry backs up Luke at the 5 and MU plays small when either goes to the bench. Sacar will backup the 4. Will have to zone larger teams, mainly 2-3 but a 1-3-1 trap when Wojo wants to provide pressure.
Matt will play spot minutes at the 5. Needs to improve his conditioning, quickness and athleticism. I see him playing short 2-3 minute stints. Todd Smith will be his best friend.
Wally is an energy guy, will provide highlight reel dunks & blocks and can knock down the occasional triple. Thinner than last year, I think he is a wing only and I don't see him playing the 4.
Pretty much agree with this. I think Traci may take a minute or 2 more away from Haanif, and Sacar and/or Wally may take a minute or 2 away from JJJ and/or Sandy. But that's about the order I'd expect players to get the most minutes. Maybe Luke takes a minute or 2 from Hank, too.
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When projecting minutes you need to average more than 200 minutes to account for DNP-CD, injuries, and suspensions. We need to play Duane, Ellenson and Fischer 30+ and wouldn't be shocked to see Wilson play 35+.
A DNP-CD doesn't affect one's average. Luke averaged 29.3 MPG in the games he played, not the totality of the MU 30 game schedule. While I understand your theory, that's simply not how it's calculated. Sure Duane will have games where he hits 35. But he'll also have LOTS of games in the 20s. Lots and lots.
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Another quick thought. One of the things that certainly drives up MPG for your starters are deep tourney runs. It dilutes the impact of non-con and the bench grows increasingly short.
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When projecting minutes you need to average more than 200 minutes to account for DNP-CD, injuries, and suspensions. We need to play Duane, Ellenson and Fischer 30+ and wouldn't be shocked to see Wilson play 35+.
You forgot overtimes.
The more a player plays the more tired a player gets and that usually results in a decline in production. Players play a lot of minutes when there is no viable alternative. Heldt will see more than 6 minutes as he is the most logical backup for Fischer. He also could be the backup to HE by shifting Fischer to power forward. It appears to me that MU will run every chance it can get, which will require a lot of running for Fischer and HE. That will result in them playing less than if we played a half court game. Excluding Haanif at this point, since I have not seen him play. Wilson and Carter will start at guards. Wilson will back up Carter at the point and JJJ will back up Wilson. Basically the guard combos will be Wilson/Carter, JJJ/Wilson and JJJ/Carter. Breakdown Wilson 30, Carter 24, JJJ 24 and others 2. Haanif would eat into these times. I think you see Fischer and Ellenson at 30 Heldt and Anim at 10. That leaves SF which will be Cohen 25, Wally 10, Anim 3 and others 2.
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I'm breaking guys down into three categories:
The Mainstays
- Duane Wilson: 32
- Luke Fischer: 32
- Henry Ellenson: 30
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Supporting Cast
- Sandy Cohen: 24
- Traci Carter: 23
- Jajuan Johnson: 20
- Haanif Cheatham: 15
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True Bench
- Wally Ellenson: 10
- Sacar Anim: 8
- Matt Heldt: 6
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Traci and Sandy round out the starting lineup, with Jajuan and Cheatham being the primary guys off the bench. Jajuan mostly covers 2-4, Cheatham 1-3. Ellenson and Anim get spot minutes, but I expect both would have games where they make an impact. Wojo would have the ability to run the hot hand and for those four, I could see almost any division of minutes totaling 50-60. Heldt just gets in to give Henry and Luke breaks as needed, with Henry being the more likely second option at the 5 in critical moments.[/list]
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About two weeks ago, I made the following prediction. Updates in red.
Fischer (30) - Starting post
Henry (30) - Starting forward
Duane (28 30) - Starting guard, spot minutes at point
JJJ (24 22) - Possibly Starting guard
Carter (20 25) - Starting point
Wally (18 13) - Back up at forward and guard
Sandy (18 20) - Back up at Possibly startingforward and guard
Haanif (12 10) - Back up point...hopefully
Sacar (10) - Miscellaneous minutes at guard and forward
Heldt (10) - Back up post
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I'm breaking guys down into three categories:
The Mainstays
- Duane Wilson: 32
- Luke Fischer: 32
- Henry Ellenson: 30
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Supporting Cast
- Sandy Cohen: 24
- Traci Carter: 23
- Jajuan Johnson: 20
- Haanif Cheatham: 15
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True Bench
- Wally Ellenson: 10
- Sacar Anim: 8
- Matt Heldt: 6
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Traci and Sandy round out the starting lineup, with Jajuan and Cheatham being the primary guys off the bench. Jajuan mostly covers 2-4, Cheatham 1-3. Ellenson and Anim get spot minutes, but I expect both would have games where they make an impact. Wojo would have the ability to run the hot hand and for those four, I could see almost any division of minutes totaling 50-60. Heldt just gets in to give Henry and Luke breaks as needed, with Henry being the more likely second option at the 5 in critical moments.[/list]
That looks pretty spot on. I'm a little up in the air about the 4-5. You have 68 of the 80 minutes accounted for among the Big 3. I guess I'll reserve judgement on how those other 12 get covered. If we're saying that essentially all of Sacar's work this year is at the #4.... But I think you're real close. And I agree 100% with your logical groupings.
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But he'll also have LOTS of games in the 20s. Lots and lots.
What are you trying to cause my schedule angst to flair up again??? :o
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One thing I've definitely changed my mind on: The starting line-up at the beginning of the season will be the same one at the end of the season (barring injury/transfer). I thought it was going to take a little time to give the reigns to The Engine, but he will start at the point from day 1
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I'm breaking guys down into three categories:
The Mainstays
- Duane Wilson: 32
- Luke Fischer: 32
- Henry Ellenson: 30
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Supporting Cast
- Sandy Cohen: 24
- Traci Carter: 23
- Jajuan Johnson: 20
- Haanif Cheatham: 15
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True Bench
- Wally Ellenson: 10
- Sacar Anim: 8
- Matt Heldt: 6
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Traci and Sandy round out the starting lineup, with Jajuan and Cheatham being the primary guys off the bench. Jajuan mostly covers 2-4, Cheatham 1-3. Ellenson and Anim get spot minutes, but I expect both would have games where they make an impact. Wojo would have the ability to run the hot hand and for those four, I could see almost any division of minutes totaling 50-60. Heldt just gets in to give Henry and Luke breaks as needed, with Henry being the more likely second option at the 5 in critical moments.[/list]
I like this overall. I think Haanif is an unknown, and that Sacar might force his way into more minutes, but generally this makes sense.
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That looks pretty spot on. I'm a little up in the air about the 4-5. You have 68 of the 80 minutes accounted for among the Big 3. I guess I'll reserve judgement on how those other 12 get covered. If we're saying that essentially all of Sacar's work this year is at the #4.... But I think you're real close. And I agree 100% with your logical groupings.
As far as the 4-5, I'd guess...
Center: 32 minutes Fischer, 6 minutes Heldt, 2 minutes Henry
Power Forward: 28 minutes Henry, 6 minutes Sandy, 4 minutes Anim, 2 minutes Jajaun/Wally
I know that Jajuan/Wally aren't fours, but I feel they'll log some sort of minutes there by necessity. I also think this could shift in important games with Heldt getting fewer minutes and Henry playing more at the 5. These are also my expectations for season averages. Once Big East play rolls around, I think we'll see more of Fischer, Henry, and Duane, and less of Heldt and Anim.
In critical games when Luke is in foul trouble, I could see extended runs of Carter/Duane/Jajuan/Sandy/Henry. I think Cohen's new frame and length makes him a good candidate to be an undersized 4 at times. We have plenty of guys that can fill in behind him at the three when he has to slide down low.
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Some is going to come down to match-ups. Ironic given the coaching change, but this team is the most adaptable (one could say switchable I suppose) of any MU team I can remember.
With the Luke is running the floor right now, I could even see(assuming no foul trouble) a time or two where we go Duane, Sandy, Henry, Luke, Heldt and drive a team nuts with our length and athleticism.
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Some is going to come down to match-ups. Ironic given the coaching change, but this team is the most adaptable (one could say switchable I suppose) of any MU team I can remember.
With the Luke is running the floor right now, I could even see(assuming no foul trouble) a time or two where we go Duane, Sandy, Henry, Luke, Heldt and drive a team nuts with our length and athleticism.
While some teams could really exploit that lineup, it could be brutal to others. Butler comes to mind as a team that just doesn't have the length or quickness to really counteract that kind of lineup.
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While some teams could really exploit that lineup, it could be brutal to others. Butler comes to mind as a team that just doesn't have the length or quickness to really counteract that kind of lineup.
Yep, this will be the season to determine if Wojo is a great coach or a great recruiter who's ok at coaching.
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I'm confident you're now prepared to 'revise and extend your remarks'. ;)
Average starting C of Luke's sizei n ncaa gets between 22-24 minutes a game due to fatigue and foul trouble. Luke is great but will have limitations. It might be a low prediction. Wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong
Also, this team wants to run. Wojo will utilize a lot of subs to keep the team fresh. Starters won't average more than 32
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I'm not convinced that Hannif will be playing the point as much as some posters think. I think Hannif playing the 1 came about because of uncertainties about Carter. With Carter's strong showing in Italy, I see Hannif moving back to his natural position on the wing.
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What are you trying to cause my schedule angst to flair up again??? :o
Ha. We beat that one to death, hey? Just remember eng, chick makes me go regardless of the opponent most times. And BC ain't down the street.
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Luke averaged 29 minutes last year......I would expect that to go up slightly.
No way he averages only 24-26 minutes unless he isn't healthy or has trouble staying out of foul trouble.
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Luke averaged 29 minutes last year......I would expect that to go up slightly.
No way he averages only 24-26 minutes unless he isn't healthy or has trouble staying out of foul trouble.
It's really nice mot to see Luke grab at his shoulder after every play.
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As far as the 4-5, I'd guess...
Center: 32 minutes Fischer, 6 minutes Heldt, 2 minutes Henry
Power Forward: 28 minutes Henry, 6 minutes Sandy, 4 minutes Anim, 2 minutes Jajaun/Wally
I know that Jajuan/Wally aren't fours, but I feel they'll log some sort of minutes there by necessity. I also think this could shift in important games with Heldt getting fewer minutes and Henry playing more at the 5. These are also my expectations for season averages. Once Big East play rolls around, I think we'll see more of Fischer, Henry, and Duane, and less of Heldt and Anim.
In critical games when Luke is in foul trouble, I could see extended runs of Carter/Duane/Jajuan/Sandy/Henry. I think Cohen's new frame and length makes him a good candidate to be an undersized 4 at times. We have plenty of guys that can fill in behind him at the three when he has to slide down low.
Agree. I've thought more than once over these last 4 games that Sandy has a little bit of Juan in him. Better shooter but some of the same qualities. I think he can board and can play a little stretch 4 in a pinch.
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Luke averaged 29 minutes last year......I would expect that to go up slightly.
No way he averages only 24-26 minutes unless he isn't healthy or has trouble staying out of foul trouble.
That was my first thought. Luke is fairly trim and able to run. He'll be able to play more than the average 6'11", 240-pound center. I think 30-32 is most likely, barring injury or foul trouble.
Agree. I've thought more than once over these last 4 games that Sandy has a little bit of Juan in him. Better shooter but some of the same qualities. I think he can board and can play a little stretch 4 in a pinch.
I like that comparison. Was thinking that a bit last year, it really looked like Sandy had the same kind of motor Juan does, but just wasn't nearly as refined (not saying Juan was refined, more that Sandy just really wasn't). If he can be Juan with a shooting touch, especially if he is already getting to the point Juan was at as an upperclassman, he will be a very good player for us.
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Luke averaged 29 minutes last year......I would expect that to go up slightly.
No way he averages only 24-26 minutes unless he isn't healthy or has trouble staying out of foul trouble.
Dang, I really thought he was around 24 minutes a game last year for some reason. Didn't even look. That's impressive for a kid with a bum shoulder. I'll rework my minutes distribution guess then.
1: Traci 23 Haanif 17
2: Duane 30, JjJ 10
3: Sandy 17,Wally 12, JjJ 11
4: Henry 23, Sacar 12, Sandy 5
5: Luke 29, Henry 6, Heldt 5
The distribution at each position won't be this nice and neat, but that's what I envision.
That gets us to totals of:
Duane 30
Luke 29
Henry 29
Traci 23
Sandy 22
JjJ 21
Haanif 17
Sacar 12
Wally 12
Heldt 5
I think we will go 10 deep for most of the season. But Heldt may not get into some games if Luke and Henry manage to stay out of foul trouble.
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I just hope that Wojo has them pushing the ball and extending the defense once the season starts. All 10 will play then, probably even #'s 9-10 getting around 10 mpg. My favorite kind of ball to watch.....assuming MU can shoot.
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I think we need to see Haanif in action. Tracy looked good but remember the competition was very weak. For now I say they will split time.
Duane , Luke and Henry will play max minutes.
Sandy and JJJ will be a function of who is hot.
Wally, Sacar, Heldt will share the remainder.
So My Breakdown is
Duane 30
Luke 30
Henry 30
Sandy 23
JJJ 23
Traci 20
Haanif 20
Wally 8
Sacar 8
Matt 8
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I like that comparison. Was thinking that a bit last year, it really looked like Sandy had the same kind of motor Juan does, but just wasn't nearly as refined (not saying Juan was refined, more that Sandy just really wasn't). If he can be Juan with a shooting touch, especially if he is already getting to the point Juan was at as an upperclassman, he will be a very good player for us.
I think Sandy has the potential ability to be 'Senior year Juan' albeit with a better shooting touch this year. If (and that's a big if) he can do that we're going to be very good.
Let's start to think about this for a second. I'm certainly no expert on the conference but some of you are. Luke is a top 25% center. Heck, could he be the best in the conference already? Henry will absolutely be a top 25% PF and is NBA bound eventually. Duane is at least top 50% at the 2 guard. Traci is a potentially emerging point who will be better in March than he is now. And Sandy might be Juan/Trent level as a Sophomore with a shot to boot. That team wins 10 conference games and dances. I truly believe it.
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Does biometrics have an effect on playing time? Now the coaches will know you are tired before you appear to be tired.
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I think Sandy has the potential ability to be 'Senior year Juan' albeit with a better shooting touch this year. If (and that's a big if) he can do that we're going to be very good.
Let's start to think about this for a second. I'm certainly no expert on the conference but some of you are. Luke is a top 25% center. Heck, could he be the best in the conference already? Henry will absolutely be a top 25% PF and is NBA bound eventually. Duane is at least top 50% at the 2 guard. Traci is a potentially emerging point who will be better in March than he is now. And Sandy might be Juan/Trent level as a Sophomore with a shot to boot. That team wins 10 conference games and dances. I truly believe it.
Positional thoughts...
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- Point Guard: I'd put us in the bottom third (8-10 range). Who knows how good Traci will be this year, but this league has a ton of great PGs. The Archie/Brunson combo at 'Nova, Garrett Jr at DePaul, Dunn at Providence, DSR at Georgetown, and two great transfers in Lewis at Butler and Watson at Creighton. Xavier and SHU also have some talented options at the point.
- Shooting Guard: We're probably about middle of the pack in the league (4-6). Duane is good, but so are Whitehead at SHU, Dunham at Butler, Davis at Xavier, and Hart at 'Nova. Lots of backcourt talent in the league.
- Small Forward: I'd guess bottom half, maybe (5-8)? Our advantage is if Sandy doesn't pan out, we have depth with Jajuan, Wally, and Anim. Peak at Georgetown, Jones at Butler, Blueitt at Xavier, and probably Johnson at SJU are almost certainly better right now. Harrell at Creighton and Jenkins at 'Nova aren't proven but big things are expected.
- Power Forward: We have to be near the top (1-3). Jalen Reynolds at Xavier is the only guy who I think might be close to Henry. Myke Henry at DePaul and Ben Bentil at Providence are decent players, but are they on that level? Is anyone?
- Center: Another place we shine (1-3). Ochefu at 'Nova, Delgado at SHU, those are the only two I really see being among the league's elite.
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So my guesses, we are a bit below average in the backcourt, but certainly not terrible, we are about average on the wing but probably deeper than most teams, and we probably have the best frontcourt in the league. I don't think anyone in the Big East is close to having a two-man big tandem on par with Luke and Henry.
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Between Duane, Luke, and Henry we will have 2 First Team and 1 Second Team All Big East players.
Traci and Luke will be All Freshman team.
Hank might be POY.
Not sure where we finish but think it's top 4 and think we're playing the 2nd best basketball in the conference by the end of the season.
7 seed going into the Tourney, but playing like a 3-4 seed.
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Between Duane, Luke, and Henry we will have 2 First Team and 1 Second Team All Big East players.
Traci and Luke will be All Freshman team.
Hank might be POY.
Not sure where we finish but think it's top 4 and think we're playing the 2nd best basketball in the conference by the end of the season.
7 seed going into the Tourney, but playing like a 3-4 seed.
Umm why would Luke be on the all freshman team?
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Between Duane, Luke, and Henry we will have 2 First Team and 1 Second Team All Big East players.
Traci and Luke will be All Freshman team.
Hank might be POY.
Not sure where we finish but think it's top 4 and think we're playing the 2nd best basketball in the conference by the end of the season.
7 seed going into the Tourney, but playing like a 3-4 seed.
Luke a freshman again eh?
Has a freshman ever won BEast poy? I don't think so. I also don't remember the last time a poy played for a team that finished third or lower in the BEast. Henry as Ffrst team all BEast, maybe. Poy, I really doubt.
Luke is a first team center. I'm not sure about Duane yet. He's really good but there are a lot of great guards in this league.
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Luke a freshman again eh?
Has a freshman ever won BEast poy? I don't think so. I also don't remember the last time a poy played for a team that finished third or lower in the BEast. Henry as Ffrst team all BEast, maybe. Poy, I really doubt.
Luke is a first team center. I'm not sure about Duane yet. He's really good but there are a lot of great guards in this league.
We're all just goofin' but the drinking is starting early!
Luke 1st Team; Henry All-Frosh and Newcomer of Year; Duane Honorable Mention.
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Luke a freshman again eh?
Has a freshman ever won BEast poy? I don't think so. I also don't remember the last time a poy played for a team that finished third or lower in the BEast. Henry as Ffrst team all BEast, maybe. Poy, I really doubt.
Luke is a first team center. I'm not sure about Duane yet. He's really good but there are a lot of great guards in this league.
Last year... Dunn at Providence they finished 4th
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Doh! Obviously I meant Hank on the All Freshman team, not Luke.
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There are really 6 catgories
C. #1-2
PF #1-2
SF 4-6 could be high
SG 3-4 could be low
PG 7-10 could be low
Bench 1-2 I doubt that other teams have 5 players capable of contributing
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There are really 6 catgories
C. #1-2
PF #1-2
SF 4-6 could be high
SG 3-4 could be low
PG 7-10 could be low
Bench 1-2 I doubt that other teams have 5 players capable of contributing
I agree with this. I think SF will be easily our weakest position. I don't think Sandy is bad at all, but I think our 1, 2, 4, and 5 are all really good.
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Last year... Dunn at Providence they finished 4th
To be honest, I forgot Dunn split the award with Arci. I thought Arci was the sole winner.
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1 month until we get to see how these minutes pan out... It looks like it's a pretty sure thing that the starting 5 are:
The Engine
Du Wilson
Sandy
HE
Luke
I gotta believe that's a pretty strong, albeit, young starting 5. Should be athletic and high flying out there! Love it!
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1 month until we get to see how these minutes pan out... It looks like it's a pretty sure thing that the starting 5 are:
The Engine
Du Wilson
Sandy
HE
Luke
I gotta believe that's a pretty strong, albeit, young starting 5. Should be athletic and high flying out there! Love it!
JJJ must not be in Wojo's good graces or not making a jump.
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JJJ must not be in Wojo's good graces or not making a jump.
Or pegged for an instant offense role, a'inal?
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Is JJ better than Duane? Does he have enough size to start at the 3? JJ will get the minutes he earns.
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Just because someone starts, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Let's see how the substitution patterns and minutes play out before seeing what JJJ's role is.
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JjJ will get minutes as he's likely the first man off the bench or 3rd guard if we go small but I can't see him getting more than 20 minutes. Duane is going to have to be on the court a lot and 2/small 3 is the only position JjJ has. So he'll play the 2 when Duane is out or if Duane moves to the 1 and I can't see us going small all that much.
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Is JJ better than Duane? Does he have enough size to start at the 3? JJ will get the minutes he earns.
I mean according to listed height sandys only an inch taller. JJJ isn't efficient but averaged 6 more points than Sandy last year. Oh well have to wait and see
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In Wojo's press conference, he praised Sandy and said how much bigger he had gotten. He said that JJJ had progressed over the summer but had to become a better defender and needed to not settle for jumpers.
Wojo is so vanilla, so coach-speak, so clichéd, that it is difficult to know what he is saying or if he is saying anything at all. However, last year, the one person who he said needed to work on his defense and his decision making never saw the floor. So, perhaps this is reading WAYYYYY too much into a couple of non-statements. Sandy starts because of size. Also, there will be abundant scoring in the starting line up. JJJ still gets the minutes he earns, but his role will not be as a starter.
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In Wojo's press conference, he praised Sandy and said how much bigger he had gotten. He said that JJJ had progressed over the summer but had to become a better defender and needed to not settle for jumpers.
Wojo is so vanilla, so coach-speak, so clichéd, that it is difficult to know what he is saying or if he is saying anything at all. However, last year, the one person who he said needed to work on his defense and his decision making never saw the floor. So, perhaps this is reading WAYYYYY too much into a couple of non-statements. Sandy starts because of size. Also, there will be abundant scoring in the starting line up. JJJ still gets the minutes he earns, but his role will not be as a starter.
#mindgames
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I mean according to listed height sandys only an inch taller. JJJ isn't efficient but averaged 6 more points than Sandy last year. Oh well have to wait and see
Only an inch taller, but watching those Europe games, Sandy looked a good 20-30 pounds heavier. Cohen really filled out the past few months, whereas Jajuan is still pretty lean.
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Only an inch taller, but watching those Europe games, Sandy looked a good 20-30 pounds heavier. Cohen really filled out the past few months, whereas Jajuan is still pretty lean.
And Sandy could always shoot better than JjJ and if Italy is any indication he can at least handle the ball if not drive as well as JjJ.
I firmly believe, that if JjJ doesn't see many minutes or isn't a big piece of the team this year it is going to his mental game that failed him as he physically has the tools. I also think Wojo will have a short leash on a veteran doing stupid stuff because he's got a lot of freshman that he has to teach to do the right things on the court and having a veteran not doing them and still playing would be an issue.
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In Wojo's press conference, he praised Sandy and said how much bigger he had gotten. He said that JJJ had progressed over the summer but had to become a better defender and needed to not settle for jumpers.
Wojo is so vanilla, so coach-speak, so clichéd, that it is difficult to know what he is saying or if he is saying anything at all. However, last year, the one person who he said needed to work on his defense and his decision making never saw the floor. So, perhaps this is reading WAYYYYY too much into a couple of non-statements. Sandy starts because of size. Also, there will be abundant scoring in the starting line up. JJJ still gets the minutes he earns, but his role will not be as a starter.
I think that is one of the biggest parts of it. With Duane, HE, and Luke in the game at the same time, there isn't a need for a scorer who isn't quite as good defensively or on the glass. Sandy provides more efficiency here, a better 3 point shot, better defense. Bring JjJ off the bench when we need scoring.
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Bored at work, so I did some quick and dirty KenPom math on guessing our height and experience ratings. Since we have so many guys around the same height (6'5"-6'6"), the minutes split for those guys doesn't matter as much, but the outliers from that range are:
Fischer: 30
H Ellenson: 32
Wilson: 31
Carter: 25
Heldt: 4 (maybe generous)
Assuming I didn't füçk up the formulas...
THE GOOD NEWS:
This should be the tallest team we've had in years, with an average height weighted by minutes of 77.9". Last season, this would have been about the 25th tallest lineup in the country. For comparison, our height last year was 190th at 76.6".
THE BETTER NEWS:
Our effective height (height weighted by minutes at the 4 and 5) is +3.9" vs the national average. Last season, this would have placed us 10th in the country instead of our actual figure of -0.5 and 203rd. Pomeroy has found that there is a more substantial correlation between height at the 4 and 5 and overall team defensive performance than if you use the height of all 5 players on the court. So this could be good.
THE NOT SURPRISING NEWS:
This should be the least experienced roster at MU in quite some time. Additionally, we'll be one of the least experienced teams in D1, with an average of .9 years of college ball per player on the court at any time. Last year this would have placed us 342nd in the country. Since Pomeroy started tracking this in 2007, we've consistently been above 2 years of average experience.
BRIGHTSIDING:
Here are some other tall, inexperienced teams from the past couple seasons:
2015: Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, LSU, UCLA
2014: Kentucky, Michigan, Arizona, NC St, Colorado, UNC
Sure, there were also some really bad teams with this makeup, and these factors by themselves don't mean much at all, but we'll hold off on the doom & gloom until after we lose a game.
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Bored at work, so I did some quick and dirty KenPom math on guessing our height and experience ratings. Since we have so many guys around the same height (6'5"-6'6"), the minutes split for those guys doesn't matter as much, but the outliers from that range are:
Fischer: 30
H Ellenson: 32
Wilson: 31
Carter: 25
Heldt: 4 (maybe generous)
Assuming I didn't füçk up the formulas...
THE GOOD NEWS:
This should be the tallest team we've had in years, with an average height weighted by minutes of 77.9". Last season, this would have been about the 25th tallest lineup in the country. For comparison, our height last year was 190th at 76.6".
THE BETTER NEWS:
Our effective height (height weighted by minutes at the 4 and 5) is +3.9" vs the national average. Last season, this would have placed us 10th in the country instead of our actual figure of -0.5 and 203rd. Pomeroy has found that there is a more substantial correlation between height at the 4 and 5 and overall team defensive performance than if you use the height of all 5 players on the court. So this could be good.
THE NOT SURPRISING NEWS:
This should be the least experienced roster at MU in quite some time. Additionally, we'll be one of the least experienced teams in D1, with an average of .9 years of college ball per player on the court at any time. Last year this would have placed us 342nd in the country. Since Pomeroy started tracking this in 2007, we've consistently been above 2 years of average experience.
BRIGHTSIDING:
Here are some other tall, inexperienced teams from the past couple seasons:
2015: Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, LSU, UCLA
2014: Kentucky, Michigan, Arizona, NC St, Colorado, UNC
Sure, there were also some really bad teams with this makeup, and these factors by themselves don't mean much at all, but we'll hold off on the doom & gloom until after we lose a game.
Awesome
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Bored at work, so I did some quick and dirty KenPom math on guessing our height and experience ratings. Since we have so many guys around the same height (6'5"-6'6"), the minutes split for those guys doesn't matter as much, but the outliers from that range are:
Fischer: 30
H Ellenson: 32
Wilson: 31
Carter: 25
Heldt: 4 (maybe generous)
Assuming I didn't füçk up the formulas...
THE GOOD NEWS:
This should be the tallest team we've had in years, with an average height weighted by minutes of 77.9". Last season, this would have been about the 25th tallest lineup in the country. For comparison, our height last year was 190th at 76.6".
THE BETTER NEWS:
Our effective height (height weighted by minutes at the 4 and 5) is +3.9" vs the national average. Last season, this would have placed us 10th in the country instead of our actual figure of -0.5 and 203rd. Pomeroy has found that there is a more substantial correlation between height at the 4 and 5 and overall team defensive performance than if you use the height of all 5 players on the court. So this could be good.
THE NOT SURPRISING NEWS:
This should be the least experienced roster at MU in quite some time. Additionally, we'll be one of the least experienced teams in D1, with an average of .9 years of college ball per player on the court at any time. Last year this would have placed us 342nd in the country. Since Pomeroy started tracking this in 2007, we've consistently been above 2 years of average experience.
BRIGHTSIDING:
Here are some other tall, inexperienced teams from the past couple seasons:
2015: Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, LSU, UCLA
2014: Kentucky, Michigan, Arizona, NC St, Colorado, UNC
Sure, there were also some really bad teams with this makeup, and these factors by themselves don't mean much at all, but we'll hold off on the doom & gloom until after we lose a game.
I think one of the other brightsiding items should be this is the most flexible team roster in years. Not in a yoga sense, but we can play small ball, big ball, full court, hero ball (HE), etc all depending on what the other team can do.
That's why my biggest concern going into the season on our podcast (what podcast you say, glad you asked :) http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48885.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48885.0)) is whether or not Wojo can coach. I think he can and he's got talent/flexibility to do a lot of things, can he take advantage and minimize the experience issue?
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I think one of the other brightsiding items should be this is the most flexible team roster in years. Not in a yoga sense, but we can play small ball, big ball, full court, hero ball (HE), etc all depending on what the other team can do.
That's why my biggest concern going into the season on our podcast (what podcast you say, glad you asked :) http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48885.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48885.0)) is whether or not Wojo can coach. I think he can and he's got talent/flexibility to do a lot of things, can he take advantage and minimize the experience issue?
Awkward as F. I'm listening to that exact point in the podcast right now, and completely agree.
Although you did think we are going to win 13 BE games, I like it!
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@Matt_Velazquez: Steve Wojciechowski says he believes #mubb is currently "light years" ahead of where the program was when he took over. #BEmediaday
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@Matt_Velazquez: Steve Wojciechowski says he believes #mubb is currently "light years" ahead of where the program was when he took over. #BEmediaday
Glad to hear Wojo has Wojo's vote of confidence for how things are going.
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Ok, so vs VCSU we started:
Duane
JJJ
Cohen
HE
Luke..
Is this the perceived starting line up for Belmont then? No engine or Cheatam starting?
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I think game 1 going against a talented and experienced team this lineup makes the most sense. 4 guys who have had enough playing time that they shouldn't come out and be overwhelmed by the moment and add Ellenson makes for a good starting 5. In a back and forth battle I have MU pulling out a victory 76-71!!
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@Matt_Velazquez: Steve Wojciechowski says he believes #mubb is currently "light years" ahead of where the program was when he took over. #BEmediaday
When Wojo was done congratulating himself did he acknowledge that #mubb is still light years behind where it was a year before he took over?
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It seemed Wojo really tried a lot of different line-ups last night. I think every coach does that early especially with so many new players so I wouldn't write down any starting line-up unless you're doing it in pencil.
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Ok, so vs VCSU we started:
Duane
JJJ
Cohen
HE
Luke..
Is this the perceived starting line up for Belmont then? No engine or Cheatam starting?
I could see starting the season like that. Figure from an experience perspective, it's our best lineup. I expect at some point, either Carter or Cheatham will lock down the point. Probably whichever one is the better defender.
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I could see starting the season like that. Figure from an experience perspective, it's our best lineup. I expect at some point, either Carter or Cheatham will lock down the point. Probably whichever one is the better defender.
Yep. Cheatham looked like the real deal yesterday. Obviously against lesser competition, but I could see him being the 3rd or 4th leading scorer on this team pretty easily.
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So, the last two games were eye openers, I think we can all agree. We have all agreed and very much disagreed on Wojo's motivational tactics, the white T's, who should start, who shouldn't and whether every game is or isn't nationally televised.
What we can agree with is that we won the tournament!
So the next question is... Is this our starting line up? Are we going to continue to bring our veterans (Albiet young veterans) JJJ and D.Wil off the bench and start HC and the Engine?
Is this our best line up?
Discuss.
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I'm good with it. Nice to have some firepower off the bench. And with Traci and Haanif starting, I think the emphasis to start the game will be where Wojo wants it - getting the ball inside.
Duane will remain near the top of the list in minutes played however, even off the bench.
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It could end up being a matchup thing. DU, Haanif, and Chief sharing the two wing positions.
One thing I do note, Wojo's not afraid of long minutes. Guys like Matt, Sacar and Wally will get some here against the cupcakes but unless something changes between now and January the core rotation is 7 players.