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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Benny B on July 31, 2015, 02:21:23 PM
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http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/blog/2015/07/admirals-hockey-teampreparing-for-move-to-uw.html
So does this help free up some Saturday evenings for MU, or does MU continue with late-morning to mid-afternoon tips regardless?
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http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/blog/2015/07/admirals-hockey-teampreparing-for-move-to-uw.html
So does this help free up some Saturday evenings for MU, or does MU continue with late-morning to mid-afternoon tips regardless?
If the student section was better we would have more prime-time games
Well considering last season we had 2 home games on Saturdays that conflicted with the Admirals (01/03/15 - Providence and 02/21/2015 - Nova) I do not think this is a HUGE benefit for us.
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Since its da Bucks' house, they gonna get them Saturday nites. Likely to toss us a bone when they be outta town, hey?
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The Admirals likely relocation is precipitated by the fact that their longtime home the BMO Harris Bradley Center is likely to be demolished by late 2017 or 2018. The Milwaukee Bucks, who are leading the design for the new $500 million arena just north of the Bradley Center, are signaling they are not planning for a hockey tenant.
I have not been following this closely but isn't this good news for MU? Getting rid of the hockey tenant for good means a basketball first arena that rids it off the things we hate about the Bradley center.
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Since its da Bucks' house, they gonna get them Saturday nites. Likely to toss us a bone when they be outta town, hey?
MU doesn't play at home every weekend, so you'd think there'd be plenty of opportunities to coordinate schedules to allow MU some primetime action. The question is does MU/Fox/BE want it?
I have not been following this closely but isn't this good news for MU? Getting rid of the hockey tenant for good means a basketball first arena that rids it off the things we hate about the Bradley center.
Maybe the Benny B Thunderdome won't need to be built if the Bucks build a basketball arena. So that's very good news; especially now that I may have about $80M freeing up.
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MU doesn't play at home every weekend, so you'd think there'd be plenty of opportunities to coordinate schedules to allow MU some primetime action. The question is does MU/Fox/BE want it?
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The Bucks and MU can co-exist just fine with all the Saturday night dates they want if the talk and coordinate. It's a non-issue, especially with the admirals out if the way.
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The Bucks and MU can co-exist just fine with all the Saturday night dates they want if the talk and coordinate. It's a non-issue, especially with the admirals out if the way.
Except that the Bucks get absolutely 0 say in their scheduling, and Marquette only gets a say in about 13 games in their season as to what dates they're going to be playing on and where.
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Except that the Bucks get absolutely 0 say in their scheduling, and Marquette only gets a say in about 13 games in their season as to what dates they're going to be playing on and where.
Well...yes and no. The Big East still has to schedule around our home availability. If we have better slots available, there's definitely a chance the league will take advantage of that.
Uncle zeffy pointed out there isn't always a ton of overlap between us and the Admirals. But if you figure the Big East is usually about 9-10 weeks long, it could very well give us 2-4 more prime time weekend slots that may not have been available with the Admirals in the building. Is it a huge difference? Probably not. But even if only for a couple dates a year, it's likely to be a positive.
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We may get a few Friday night or Saturday night games but it won't be a huge deal,
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Well...yes and no. The Big East still has to schedule around our home availability. If we have better slots available, there's definitely a chance the league will take advantage of that.
Uncle zeffy pointed out there isn't always a ton of overlap between us and the Admirals. But if you figure the Big East is usually about 9-10 weeks long, it could very well give us 2-4 more prime time weekend slots that may not have been available with the Admirals in the building. Is it a huge difference? Probably not. But even if only for a couple dates a year, it's likely to be a positive.
Agreed, but it's not up to Marquette, it's up to the Big East. And I don't think the NBA gives a the slightest care as to whether or not Marquette might or might not get a prime time game if the Bucks aren't using the building.
It's not as simple as "The Bucks and MU can co-exist just fine with the all the Saturday night dates they want if they talk and coordinate" like Heisenberg suggests. In fact, the Bucks and MU can talk and coordinate all they want, but it means absolutely nothing, as the Bucks don't decide their schedule, and Marquette doesn't decide their schedule after December 30th. So talking and coordinating with the Bucks essentially does absolutely nothing for Marquette and the new arena's availability.
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Agreed, but it's not up to Marquette, it's up to the Big East. And I don't think the NBA gives a the slightest care as to whether or not Marquette might or might not get a prime time game if the Bucks aren't using the building.
It's not as simple as "The Bucks and MU can co-exist just fine with the all the Saturday night dates they want if they talk and coordinate" like Heisenberg suggests. In fact, the Bucks and MU can talk and coordinate all they want, but it means absolutely nothing, as the Bucks don't decide their schedule, and Marquette doesn't decide their schedule after December 30th. So talking and coordinating with the Bucks essentially does absolutely nothing for Marquette and the new arena's availability.
Agreed. Non-con scheduling happens before the NBA schedule comes out, so we're pretty much at their mercy. Get as many home Saturdays as you can and cross your fingers.
The most likely way this benefits us is in Big East play since the full Big East schedule is released after the NBA schedule. I'm sure they will look for marquee time slots when they can. In the past two years, we've had 9 total home Saturday dates in Big East play. My guess is, especially if we're back to contending once the new arena opens, the league will try to coordinate those Saturday home games with better time slots and take advantage of when the Bucks are out of town.
That said, it will probably only matter 2-3 times per year. But considering there's almost always complaining that we "never play Saturday nights at home", a difference of 2-3 times, especially if the schedule only allows for a total of 6-8 Saturday home dates per year, that's worth the difference.
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I'm trying to remember. Does the BEast ever do a Friday night FS1 'feature' game? Between the Bucks and the Admirals which both had priority over MU that was practically impossible for us. (Not that I'd like it to become a regular option as getting there from Chicago during a Friday rush hour would be a real bitch.)
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Agreed. Non-con scheduling happens before the NBA schedule comes out, so we're pretty much at their mercy. Get as many home Saturdays as you can and cross your fingers.
The most likely way this benefits us is in Big East play since the full Big East schedule is released after the NBA schedule. I'm sure they will look for marquee time slots when they can. In the past two years, we've had 9 total home Saturday dates in Big East play. My guess is, especially if we're back to contending once the new arena opens, the league will try to coordinate those Saturday home games with better time slots and take advantage of when the Bucks are out of town.
That said, it will probably only matter 2-3 times per year. But considering there's almost always complaining that we "never play Saturday nights at home", a difference of 2-3 times, especially if the schedule only allows for a total of 6-8 Saturday home dates per year, that's worth the difference.
If we schedule noncon first, we have a contract with the Bradley Center. Are you saying the Bucks have the ability to break that contract without cost?
The Chicago Bulls schedule a West Coast trip in November because the United Center has the circus every year. So there is some coordination with scheduling at the NBA league office.
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If we schedule noncon first, we have a contract with the Bradley Center. Are you saying the Bucks have the ability to break that contract without cost?
The Chicago Bulls schedule a West Coast trip in November because the United Center has the circus every year. So there is some coordination with scheduling at the NBA league office.
I wonder when the Alabama A&M game got scheduled last year? It seems to me that we knew knew there would be an Al game before we knew the opponent. I never recall a game being bumped out of the BMO BC after it had been announced. There must be some level of coordination with dark dates being given to MU in sufficient time to schedule non-con.
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If we schedule noncon first, we have a contract with the Bradley Center. Are you saying the Bucks have the ability to break that contract without cost?
The Chicago Bulls schedule a West Coast trip in November because the United Center has the circus every year. So there is some coordination with scheduling at the NBA league office.
No, but we schedule dates. Times aren't set until well after the NBA schedule comes out, so if the Bucks end up double-booked with us at the BC on a Saturday, we end up with the noon timeslot and they get the 7 pm.
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Whoever said the bucks have zero say in scheduling is flat out wrong. You think it was a coincidence the bucks started 16 straight years on the road with the home opener on a Saturday night? Kohl wanted to make sure the opener always sold out and the nba agreed to the request. There are also arrangement between and arenas with NHL teams. The NBA has the final call but there is a ton of flexibility over an 82 game schedule and the NBA is willing to meet requests if it makes sense for them as well.
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Whoever said the bucks have zero say in scheduling is flat out wrong. You think it was a coincidence the bucks started 16 straight years on the road with the home opener on a Saturday night? Kohl wanted to make sure the opener always sold out and the nba agreed to the request. There are also arrangement between and arenas with NHL teams. The NBA has the final call but there is a ton of flexibility over an 82 game schedule and the NBA is willing to meet requests if it makes sense for them as well.
So when teams play 4 road games in 6 nights they shouldn't complain because really all they need to do is politely request that no road trips are more than 2 games and each road game has 2 days off so they can settle in and rest up? Gotcha.
And so all Marquette has to do to get any time slot they want is have Wojo give Edens and Lasry a buzz and ask them to please politely ask the NBA to schedule the Bucks for the road or the afternoon so that Marquette can schedule their game against Grambling for Saturday at 7:00 PM? And maybe just politely send in the list of dates and times that are acceptable to the Big East and those will be honored too I suppose.
MU cannot simply coordinate with the Bucks in order to get prime time dates and times for their games. I don't see what is so hard to understand about this.
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This will work out great for the Admirals as they can go from 7 to 20 plus Saturday night dates.
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I'm trying to remember. Does the BEast ever do a Friday night FS1 'feature' game? Between the Bucks and the Admirals which both had priority over MU that was practically impossible for us. (Not that I'd like it to become a regular option as getting there from Chicago during a Friday rush hour would be a real bitch.)
I'm pretty sure MU (and probably all of college basketball) has avoided playing Friday night games for years in order to avoid conflicts with high school hoops games, in order to give the preps the spotlight and full potential attendance.
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This will work out great for the Admirals as they can go from 7 to 20 plus Saturday night dates.
Will they have first call over UWM for scheduling dates even after UWM has purchased the naming rights to the arena?
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Will they have first call over UWM for scheduling dates even after UWM has purchased the naming rights to the arena?
Even if the Admirals are #2, the dates will work out great for them.
The 2014-15 schedule the Admirals had 15 Friday dates/ 7 Saturday's/ 5 Sunday's and 11 during the weekday nights. Looks for the numbers to be moved to Saturday nights as the Ads season runs October thru April.
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I'm pretty sure MU (and probably all of college basketball) has avoided playing Friday night games for years in order to avoid conflicts with high school hoops games, in order to give the preps the spotlight and full potential attendance.
The Ivy League plays on Fridays & Saturdays when conference play starts.
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The Ivy League plays on Fridays & Saturdays when conference play starts.
That's probably to accommodate all the bus travel... ;)
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That's probably to accommodate all the bus travel... ;)
But in reality, it's probably so that these kids aren't missing school, especially since they don't get athletic scholarships.
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But in reality, it's probably so that these kids aren't missing school, especially since they don't get athletic scholarships.
Well, I suspect that there are a lot of grants and other academic aid in the Ivy.... ;)
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So when teams play 4 road games in 6 nights they shouldn't complain because really all they need to do is politely request that no road trips are more than 2 games and each road game has 2 days off so they can settle in and rest up? Gotcha.
And so all Marquette has to do to get any time slot they want is have Wojo give Edens and Lasry a buzz and ask them to please politely ask the NBA to schedule the Bucks for the road or the afternoon so that Marquette can schedule their game against Grambling for Saturday at 7:00 PM? And maybe just politely send in the list of dates and times that are acceptable to the Big East and those will be honored too I suppose.
MU cannot simply coordinate with the Bucks in order to get prime time dates and times for their games. I don't see what is so hard to understand about this.
Reread what I wrote. Someone said the Bucks don't have any say in their own schedule. I gave examples that were verified in previous media reports.
I never said it was simple or that Marquette could dictate the schedule. I'm just saying in sure the bucks were willing to cooperate with Marquette (who were powerful allies in the stadium lobbying) if it didn't matter to the bucks. For example, the bucks did pretty damn well on Sunday afternoons last year. This along with Marquette requesting Saturday night games could add a little nudge for an extra Sunday afternoon game or two freeing up a Saturday for MU.
Do you think the bucks have zero say in there schedule and don't submit any preferences to the league before the schedule is out? As I said before, it was well reported the bucks did have certain preferences and the league accepted them for two straight decades. Not sure what is so hard to understand.
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I wonder when the Alabama A&M game got scheduled last year? It seems to me that we knew knew there would be an Al game before we knew the opponent. I never recall a game being bumped out of the BMO BC after it had been announced. There must be some level of coordination with dark dates being given to MU in sufficient time to schedule non-con.
IIRC, there was a high-profile game in the works that fell through just weeks before the schedule was released, so they had to scramble to find a buy-opponent so FS1 would have something to air. By the time they found one and looked at possible dates, the BC was already booked.
The key word here is "released."
Schedules are drawn up, revised, moved around, etc. months, and perhaps years, before the schedule is released. This gives everyone a chance to coordinate schedules. I'd bet if you looked at Broeker's call history in certain months of any given year, two-thirds of his calls are to/from his scheduling counterparts at the Bucks and Admirals.