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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Fullodds on July 07, 2015, 09:52:46 PM
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Memphis blocking the move. He would have two years left. Very skilled and active big.
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Memphis blocking the move. He would have two years left. Very skilled and active big.
Obciously I Don't know the situation but I feel that whenever a school goes and trys to block a transfer it's just in bad taste.
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Has he announced where he wants to transfer to? Blocking the transfer, are they not giving him his release?
I didn't think Memphis could block a transfer unless the new school was already designated.
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No, you block to prevent them from going somewhere. Like when Jarrod Uthoff announced his intent to transfer and Bo Ryan blocked the Big 10, the ACC, Florida, Marquette, and any school eligible for the NCAA Tournament in the slim chance they might play Wisconsin.
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Has he announced where he wants to transfer to? Blocking the transfer, are they not giving him his release?
I didn't think Memphis could block a transfer unless he new school was already designated.
An ESPN article said Baylor, Marquette, and Notre Dame called to check on the status of his release. Wonder if Jajaun and Austin are pals?
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Aki Collins landed Nichols at Memphis just one year after he moved on from his role at Marquette. Interesting tidbit.
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No, you block to prevent them from going somewhere. Like when Jarrod Uthoff announced his intent to transfer and Bo Ryan blocked the Big 10, the ACC, Florida, Marquette, and any school eligible for the NCAA Tournament in the slim chance they might play Wisconsin.
But Wisconsin backed down when the negative publicity began to mount. I can envision Memphis waiting until the player meets with the coach or something and then blocking transfer within their conference but beyond that they'll never pull it off. They'd never land another recruit.
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I have seen some journalists supporting Memphis in blocking the transfer, at least temporarily. To lose this kid in July is the issue that leaves people sympathetic to Pastner.
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He's a Junior, so he sits a year. But to add a 6' 9" body with this kind of skill for the season after next would be huge!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13217060/memphis-tigers-forward-austin-nichols-said-intends-transfer
Nichols, who averaged 13.3 points and 6.1 rebounds last season before suffering a season-ending ankle injury, was expected to be a candidate for American Athletic Conference Player of the Year. He informed Tigers coach Josh Pastner of his decision about a week ago, sources told ESPN.
Memphis has refused his request to transfer due to the timing. All of the high school players for this season have made their decisions, and there are few high-level transfers left as well.
"The school isn't going to release him,'' Pastner told ESPN's Andy Katz on Tuesday night. "We spoke with Austin in mid-June and everything was fine. We named him captain after the season. We don't know what has changed.''
Pastner said the entire coaching staff was caught off guard by the decision.
"He's a potential player of the year in our league. He's been nothing but great the first two years we have had him,'' said Pastner. "He's been terrific on the floor.''
Pastner said the president and athletic director support the decision not to release him. He added that the staff hasn't heard from Nichols since he made his announcement.
A source told ESPN that Baylor, Marquette and Notre Dame were among the schools which called to check on Nichols' release, but the school wouldn't grant one.
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I have seen some journalists supporting Memphis in blocking the transfer, at least temporarily. To lose this kid in July is the issue that leaves people sympathetic to Pastner.
Agree that the timing is awkward but ultimately Memphis has almost no choice.
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Agree that the timing is awkward but ultimately Memphis has almost no choice.
Agree
Can anyone name a case where a kid that says he wants to transfer was ultimately not allowed to?
All I can think of is how Bo was crucified by the national press for not allowing Utoff to transfer to Iowa. Eventually Bucky/Bo caved and let him go to Iowa.
The national media will kill Pastner suggesting a schollie is made to look like a form of slavery. Additionally, you don't want to hurt future recruiting by making Memphis look like a roach motel (players check-in but can never check out).
If Nichols doesn't change his mind, they will eventually let him out.
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not that pastner would be offered the job...but if something like the rumors out of sacramento went down, and calapari jumped to the kings. i'm sure pastner wouldn't accept the kentucky job in july either...
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Agree
Can anyone name a case where a kid that says he wants to transfer was ultimately not allowed to?
All I can think of is how Bo was crucified by the national press for not allowing Utoff to transfer to Iowa. Eventually Bucky/Bo caved and let him go to Iowa.
The national media will kill Pastner suggesting a schollie is made to look like a form of slavery. Additionally, you don't want to hurt future recruiting by making Memphis look like a roach motel (players check-in but can never check out).
If Nichols doesn't change his mind, they will eventually let him out.
They cannot stop him from transferring. Not releasing him means he cannot get a scholarship for a year. Bo was crucified, because he was very successful. The press will pick on a coach like that, before they will pick on a coach like Pastner. They would be all over Coach K, if he did this and Wojo would barely hit the radar, if he did this. The press is always looking to take down the big guy.
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I see no way this ends well for Memphis. Either they cave to pressure from the media and let Nichols go, Nichols challenges it and Memphis is forced to let him go, or Nichols challenges it and is forced to stay. At best, Memphis gets a player who is there against their will, will transfer midseason, and will have coaches negatively recruiting against them for years. At worst, they lose the player, get blasted in the media, and still have the negative recruiting. Announcing the transfer too late to be convenient is not a good reason to deny a transfer. Their best course of action is to let him transfer as soon as possible
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None of you seem to understand that it's July. A kid doesn't ask for a release in July unless he's been tampered with and Pastner knows that. He'll stall it out as long as it's feasible through a legal/PR prism so he can figure out which program(s) are the ones doing the dirty. Nichols will then be released and those schools will be on the block list.
Bruce Pearl is a master in this type of whispering.
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None of you seem to understand that it's July. A kid doesn't ask for a release in July unless he's been tampered with and Pastner knows that. He'll stall it out as long as it's feasible through a legal/PR prism so he can figure out which program(s) are the ones doing the dirty. Nichols will then be released and those schools will be on the block list.
Bruce Pearl is a master in this type of whispering.
Great point.
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None of you seem to understand that it's July. A kid doesn't ask for a release in July unless he's been tampered with and Pastner knows that. He'll stall it out as long as it's feasible through a legal/PR prism so he can figure out which program(s) are the ones doing the dirty. Nichols will then be released and those schools will be on the block list.
Bruce Pearl is a master in this type of whispering.
Plus Tax
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None of you seem to understand that it's July. A kid doesn't ask for a release in July unless he's been tampered with and Pastner knows that. He'll stall it out as long as it's feasible through a legal/PR prism so he can figure out which program(s) are the ones doing the dirty. Nichols will then be released and those schools will be on the block list.
Bruce Pearl is a master in this type of whispering.
What kind of tampering do you think went on here? "Oh hey coaches who were interested in your services before are still interested in them... just in case..."
Also, how does that improve Pastner's position? "There's some funny business here so I'm going to respond with funny business of my own. That'll show 'em."
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FWIW Nichols requested to transfer either June 25 or 26, it was just yesterday that Memphis denied the transfer. Not saying there wasn't tampering, by the request was in a couple weeks ago.
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None of you seem to understand that it's July. A kid doesn't ask for a release in July unless he's been tampered with and Pastner knows that. He'll stall it out as long as it's feasible through a legal/PR prism so he can figure out which program(s) are the ones doing the dirty. Nichols will then be released and those schools will be on the block list.
Bruce Pearl is a master in this type of whispering.
Until coaches are prevented from listening to better offers from other schools and the NBA, I don't see public opinion being very sympathetic to complaints about tampering. I really am surprised schools still try and pull stunts like this.
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None of you seem to understand that it's July. A kid doesn't ask for a release in July unless he's been tampered with and Pastner knows that. He'll stall it out as long as it's feasible through a legal/PR prism so he can figure out which program(s) are the ones doing the dirty. Nichols will then be released and those schools will be on the block list.
Bruce Pearl is a master in this type of whispering.
Well, Baylor's involved, so there's that. But how do you undermine the commitment of a guy who who is regarded not only as his team's main guy, but his conference's likely player of the year?
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Well, Baylor's involved, so there's that. But how do you undermine the commitment of a guy who who is regarded not only as his team's main guy, but his conference's likely player of the year?
Since Baylor is involved it can rightly be called tampering? What should we call it since Wojo is also supposedly involved?
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Since Baylor is involved it can rightly be called tampering? What should we call it since Wojo is also supposedly involved?
I got the impression that Baylor, MU, and ND all inquired openly to Memphis within the past week. I think the speculation is that the reason Memphis is denying the release is because it suspects that Baylor jumped the gun, as many people are suspicious that Scott Drew's methods may have become "unsound."
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He should just let off a few smoke bombs in some classrooms.
Get the boot from school.
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He should just let off a few smoke bombs in some classrooms.
Get the boot from school.
Back in the day at Memphis State a player actually going to class could get him kicked off the team...
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I got the impression that Baylor, MU, and ND all inquired openly to Memphis within the past week. I think the speculation is that the reason Memphis is denying the release is because it suspects that Baylor jumped the gun, as many people are suspicious that Scott Drew's methods may have become "unsound."
Then he should obviously reward Marquette for doing things the "right way."
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Not knowing the circumstances, I'm not near ready to point the finger at any other schools in this one. No idea who did what and when.
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Not knowing the circumstances, I'm not near ready to point the finger at any other schools in this one. No idea who did what and when.
Not saying I know anything, but if I were an AD and the first school to contact me about a player who had recently asked for a transfer was Baylor, my alarm bells would be going off.
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pastner sucks.
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Not saying I know anything, but if I were an AD and the first school to contact me about a player who had recently asked for a transfer was Baylor, my alarm bells would be going off.
Oh, I get that. But consider the timeline. Nichols requested to transfer June 25 or 26. So his AAU and high school coaches likely knew then and were able to get the word out to colleges they thought might be interested.
Not necessarily proof of tampering, and it could just as easily have been Marquette or Notre Dame that called first.
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Not saying I know anything
WTFO? Someone actually admitting ignorance on Scoop??
From the morass of hubris arose a singular moment of nobility...
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as many people are suspicious that Scott Drew's methods may have become "unsound."
https://www.youtube.com/v/WdNsltQXTVU
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“I hate it for Memphis,” Mark Nichols said. “I hate it for the coaching staff. I hate it for the city. It’s late in the year to be doing this. We know that. We’re not happy about it. It’s just something that happened, and we’ve got to move on with it. We’ve just got to move forward.”
sounds like something Odd happened?
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Word is that Nichols' father sent an e-mail, presumably to Pastner and/or the AD, asking for Austin's release. According to the athletic dept, the release is being denied because Pastner would like to at least speak with Austin about the decision before letting him go but has been unable to get in touch with him.
Bizarre situation.
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Word is that Nichols' father sent an e-mail, presumably to Pastner and/or the AD, asking for Austin's release. According to the athletic dept, the release is being denied because Pastner would like to at least speak with Austin about the decision before letting him go but has been unable to get in touch with him.
Bizarre situation.
Sound like a classic 'reverse Newbill' situation.
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Not knowing the circumstances, I'm not near ready to point the finger at any other schools in this one. No idea who did what and when.
Is this kind of behavior even allowed around these parts?
What you meant to say was ...
I know everything! And everybody who disagrees with me is an idiot! And pointing fingers is pretty much all we do here (when we're not posting pictures of nearly naked ladies or claiming we are certain that being gay is a choice).
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Back in the day at Memphis State a player actually going to class could get him kicked off the team...
Now that school is UNC. My how things change
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Is this kind of behavior even allowed around these parts?
What you meant to say was ...
I know everything! And everybody who disagrees with me is an idiot! And pointing fingers is pretty much all we do here (when we're not posting pictures of nearly naked ladies or claiming we are certain that being gay is a choice).
No, not what I meant to say. What I meant to say was this situation has some stink on it and we might not want to go blaming every other school when we're just as involved as they are. Glass houses, and all that.
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No, not what I meant to say. What I meant to say was this situation has some stink on it and we might not want to go blaming every other school when we're just as involved as they are. Glass houses, and all that.
Why can't we just be holier than thou and say our team would never do anything wrong, like STL Cardinals fans.
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I will get excited when the Staff announces the Grand entrance of another Austin. The hole on our roster will then be plugged fully and completely upon his release.
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I will get excited when the Staff announces the Grand entrance of another Austin. The hole on our roster will then be plugged fully and completely upon his release.
Very well played 8-)
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I will get excited when the Staff announces the Grand entrance of another Austin. The hole on our roster will then be plugged fully and completely upon his release.
Yes, but will it be good for you?
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Since Baylor is involved it can rightly be called tampering? What should we call it since Wojo is also supposedly involved?
"Since Baylor is involved it can rightly be called tampering?"
Nope, but that raises the suspicion level. Scott Drew has a reputation for underhanded recruiting. I'm not aware that Wojo does. Are you saying that he does?
Hey look, two can play the the turn it around on the other guy game.
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Would Nichols be ok gambling on Henry leaving/being a back up if he does stay?
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Would Nichols be ok gambling on Henry leaving/being a back up if he does stay?
I wouldn't assume that he would be the backup. Nichols is very good. I would imagine a situation where Nichols, Henry, and Fischer split time time at the 4/5 close to evenly. Though there are some who insist that Henry should play the three. I'm unconvinced, but if they are right then you could start Henry, Nichols, and Fischer together.
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Yes, but will it be good for you?
At this point in the summer, any 'ship in the port will do.
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Watched him a lot in HS. He is what he is.
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Would Nichols be ok gambling on Henry leaving/being a back up if he does stay?
Henry's future is at the three.
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I wouldn't assume that he would be the backup. Nichols is very good. I would imagine a situation where Nichols, Henry, and Fischer split time time at the 4/5 close to evenly. Though there are some who insist that Henry should play the three. I'm unconvinced, but if they are right then you could start Henry, Nichols, and Fischer together.
All good points. But I don't see Henry coming back for a time share. And playing all 3 kinda eliminates the size depth.
But I think you can get him good minutes still with Henry getting his.
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Henry's future is at the three.
For us? Don't see it.
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Having too much talent is never a problem.
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Having too much talent is never a problem.
The problem is convincing that last talent that if they come, there will be be enough minutes to keep them happy. The better that talent is, the easier that is to do. (See Kentucky).
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Received his conditional release per Goodman...no word on those conditions yet.
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When can we expect a commitment, hey?
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 2m2 minutes ago
Austin Nichols' release will include anyone on Memphis' schedule in 15-16 and 16-17, any AAC school, and Tennessee, source told @CBSSports.
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When can we expect a commitment, hey?
This will be the acid test for Wojo as a coach
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Reportedly there will be 3 schools restricted not on Rothstein's list. Very curious to see who is restricted.
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Tennessee, Iowa, Providence, and Virginia are the other schools. Odd list, and very glad Marquette isn't on it.
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Done deal then, ai na?
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Having too much talent is never a problem.
No doubt about it!! Especially in college.
This guy would be an amazing grab
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Lol at Providence and Iowa being on that list.
All 3 are pretty random but those 2 are way out there
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Tennessee, Iowa, Providence, and Virginia are the other schools. Odd list, and very glad Marquette isn't on it.
Never realized Bo was Pastner's advisor
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Lol at Providence and Iowa being on that list.
All 3 are pretty random but those 2 are way out there
Supposedly in a tournament with those three schools next year.
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I would be shocked if we are a top-5 school for him. Even though Wojo recruited him for Duke, Nichols will pretty much have his choice as to where he wants to go in the country. The schools on his restricted list are hardly restrictive. Any AAC school? Guess we can confirm East Carolina, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, Houston, SMU and USF can be officially crossed of the list.
It's also pretty suspicious considering the timing and release of his request to transfer - not to mention his Dad (also a coach) being his PR guy. Pastner is on thin ice already down in Memphis.
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I would be shocked if we are a top-5 school for him. Even though Wojo recruited him for Duke, Nichols will pretty much have his choice as to where he wants to go in the country. The schools on his restricted list are hardly restrictive. Any AAC school? Guess we can confirm East Carolina, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, Houston, SMU and USF can be officially crossed of the list.
It's also pretty suspicious considering the timing and release of his request to transfer - not to mention his Dad (also a coach) being his PR guy. Pastner is on thin ice already down in Memphis.
I wonder what percent of schools have an available scholarship?
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Alright. 20 minutes later I'll eat some crow. Andy Katz names us and Notre Dame in "hot pursuit".
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13227615/memphis-tigers-release-austin-nichols (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13227615/memphis-tigers-release-austin-nichols)
When you're wrong... you're wrong.
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I cannot decide if the fact Wojo tried to recruit him before is a positive or negative. On the positive side they are familiar with each other. On the negative side Wojo was unsuccessful in recruiting him the first time.
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Alright. 20 minutes later I'll eat some crow. Andy Katz names us and Notre Dame in "hot pursuit".
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13227615/memphis-tigers-release-austin-nichols (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13227615/memphis-tigers-release-austin-nichols)
When you're wrong... you're wrong.
we have a lot going for us in that we have a scholarship available (too late for schools to "dump" a player now), we aren't on the restriction list (2 full schedules worth of teams is a lot of schools, some obviously low major non-factors, but still), and wojo has a prior relationship with him. you'd have to assume he wants to make the decision soon so as to get into school and get to workouts as soon as possible. wojo has a leg up on a lot of the competition.
having said all that, there will be some very high major schools after him. slim chance, but at least we have the ability to go and try to get him (scholarship and not on the list).
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Reportedly there will be 3 schools restricted not on Rothstein's list. Very curious to see who is restricted.
INDEED
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Supposedly in a tournament with those three schools next year.
Ahh then it obviously makes sense.
Those would be such a weird 3 to choose
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I cannot decide if the fact Wojo tried to recruit him before is a positive or negative. On the positive side they are familiar with each other. On the negative side Wojo was unsuccessful in recruiting him the first time.
I think a big part of him picking Memphis was Jabari Parker going to Duke that year. I think his relationship with Wojo will absolutely be a positive.
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Wojo wouldn't be pursuin' him if their relationship had gone south, ai na?
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Nichols is an elite shot blocker but has the speed to defend the 4 and even the 3. The thought of him out there with Luke is very tantalizing. It would interior defense like we have never seen before. Throw Henry in the mix too.....some great rosterbation material here.
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Alright. 20 minutes later I'll eat some crow. Andy Katz names us and Notre Dame in "hot pursuit".
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13227615/memphis-tigers-release-austin-nichols (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13227615/memphis-tigers-release-austin-nichols)
When you're wrong... you're wrong.
Obviously, this is part of Katz' anti-Marquette agenda...
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So if Nichols signs with us that'd mean from the 2013 class the number 15, 27, 34, 39 and 53 ranked players from ESPN will have played for us. That's kinda nifty.
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Where is Big Daddy?
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Still camped out on Damion Lee's doorstep waitin' for him to pull a DeAndre, ai na?
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On vacation JJ knows Austin from Aau but not friends. This is wojos guy
To real in. Biggest obstacle is time. With Italy trip coming up. Time is limited. Tennessee being out is a good thing.
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On vacation JJ knows Austin from Aau but not friends. This is wojos guy
To real in. Biggest obstacle is time. With Italy trip coming up. Time is limited. Tennessee being out is a good thing.
Short sentences. Easy to read. Don't mind. At all.
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On vacation JJ knows Austin from Aau but not friends. This is wojos guy
To real in. Biggest obstacle is time. With Italy trip coming up. Time is limited. Tennessee being out is a good thing.
Does not friends mean mutually respectful competitors? Or they don't get along?
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Does not friends mean mutually respectful competitors? Or they don't get along?
Probably just acquaintances. I wouldn't read into it.
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Does not friends mean mutually respectful competitors? Or they don't get along?
Lol was my initial thought as well.
Assuming just means they don't actually hangout or talk. But worded so that you could think they have a so called "beef".
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On vacation JJ knows Austin from Aau but not friends. This is wojos guy
To real in. Biggest obstacle is time. With Italy trip coming up. Time is limited. Tennessee being out is a good thing.
How much of this should we believe? Remember the Lee/Miller post!
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How much of this should we believe? Remember the Lee/Miller post!
what is there to not believe in this post? lol.
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How much of this should we believe? Remember the Lee/Miller post!
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How much of this should we believe? Remember the Lee/Miller post!
He wasn't wrong in his Lee/Miller post; people who read that post as done deal were the ones who were wrong.
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How much of this should we believe? Remember the Lee/Miller post!
There's not much here to "believe." He's not predicting anything.
I appreciate the info he did offer.
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I won't even bother to defend my record, I will let it speak for itself. I had one huge error and that was big one for sure. That was when I first saw JFB play I thought he was a lost cause. Today we see how exactly wrong I was on that one. I laugh at myself on that one and I could not be happier that I was.
JJJ has no issues with Austin, there are just not friends. I am out of town so I did just talk with one staff member who gave me his thoughts. The upside in this situation is that Wojo is the one with the relationship. As I said in the previous post the fact that Tennessee is out is a big factor.
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I won't even bother to defend my record, I will let it speak for itself. I had one huge error and that was big one for sure. That was when I first saw JFB play I thought he was a lost cause. Today we see how exactly wrong I was on that one. I laugh at myself on that one and I could not be happier that I was.
JJJ has no issues with Austin, there are just not friends. I am out of town so I did just talk with one staff member who gave me his thoughts. The upside in this situation is that Wojo is the one with the relationship. As I said in the previous post the fact that Tennessee is out is a big factor.
Cool man. You don't got defend anything. Vast majority here love to know what you know.
Right or wrong. Good to get some info.
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I won't even bother to defend my record, I will let it speak for itself. I had one huge error and that was big one for sure. That was when I first saw JFB play I thought he was a lost cause. Today we see how exactly wrong I was on that one. I laugh at myself on that one and I could not be happier that I was.
JJJ has no issues with Austin, there are just not friends. I am out of town so I did just talk with one staff member who gave me his thoughts. The upside in this situation is that Wojo is the one with the relationship. As I said in the previous post the fact that Tennessee is out is a big factor.
No need to defend anything. Appreciate your insights as always. Good that Wojo has a relationship. Hopefully his bloodhound drive does good things for us again.
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I won't even bother to defend my record, I will let it speak for itself. I had one huge error and that was big one for sure. That was when I first saw JFB play I thought he was a lost cause. Today we see how exactly wrong I was on that one. I laugh at myself on that one and I could not be happier that I was.
JJJ has no issues with Austin, there are just not friends. I am out of town so I did just talk with one staff member who gave me his thoughts. The upside in this situation is that Wojo is the one with the relationship. As I said in the previous post the fact that Tennessee is out is a big factor.
No worries Big Daddy. I thought the same thing about JFB when Wes Matthews dominated him at that first midnight madness. At the time I had no idea I was watching two future NBA starters.
Appreciate the info. Always glad to read what you post.
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Thanks Big Daddy, your posts are the ones I look to first. I always thought that our posts were our resume, and I certainly think yours are most outstanding.
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I won't even bother to defend my record, I will let it speak for itself. I had one huge error and that was big one for sure. That was when I first saw JFB play I thought he was a lost cause. Today we see how exactly wrong I was on that one. I laugh at myself on that one and I could not be happier that I was.
JJJ has no issues with Austin, there are just not friends. I am out of town so I did just talk with one staff member who gave me his thoughts. The upside in this situation is that Wojo is the one with the relationship. As I said in the previous post the fact that Tennessee is out is a big factor.
BD
You don't have to defend your record. You are conduit to the coaching staff. I've always believe you accurately portrayed what they say/think.
So at the risk of the trolls fighting and intentionally misreading what I'm saying to start an argument, let me highlight two post from late April.
Question for BD, what happened with Miller and Lee? Your post did not seem to square with the reality just a few days later. And because Wojo did not land any other graduate transfer, did he misjudge?
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http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=47441.msg725580#msg725580
Big Daddy wrote ...
3) Damien Lee is the #1 target and they do have a commitment for a visit in early May, just not a date. They know exactly when he is visiting the other schools and like that they are the last one to be visited. There is a relationship between DL and one of the staff and there is mutual interest and communication. They expect that Lee will come for a visit..did not seem to be too concerned that he will commit before visiting.
4) Miller is #2 target and again there is mutual interest, but I got the impression that they actually feel better about Lee than Miller.
I'm not concerned that we lost DL. I'm concerned how we lost him. It is apparent that we were never really an option for him. He did not come for a visit. We were probably his safety school.
What is concerning is what BD said above. The coaching staff had as their #1 target someone that wasn't a realistic option. They were not concerned about him committing before he visits when they should have been concerned about exactly that. Had he visited, considered and then picked something else it would have been better than what actually happened. At least if he visited we were a serious option and not a safety school.
Similarly option #2 (Miller) was someone that was also not a realistic option. Again we were merely a safety school and the coaching staff thought we were more than that.
Should we be concerned that the coaching staff is having a hard time gauging interest? If so, does this matter? Tell me where I'm wrong.
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Quote from: brewcity77 on April 25, 2015, 06:54:43 AM
So did Wojo never have a shot? I doubt that. I do believe they got positive feedback from Lee's camp, which got them in this position in the first place. This is just another litmus test for a young staff. Will they still be able to land two grad transfers like they were hoping for or do they have a JUCO ready to commit? Or are they moving on to 2016/17, which is where efforts seemed to be this week?
Quote from: warriorfan 14 on April 25, 2015, 07:54:31 AM
the only thing i am concerned about is hoping that wojo had a plan after losing out on miller and lee
And this is another thing that has me concerned. Big Daddy also said this ...
5) After that the top targets are two JUCO players. Plan 1 is Lee and Miller, plan #2 is lee or miller and 1 JUco plan 2 - two Jucos. We are not heavily recruiting any other HS seniors.
BD wrote that 8 days ago (April 17). So are we to believe that in just a week plan 1 is gone, plan 2 is gone. plan 3 (two jucos) is now gone and we are on to recruiting HS kids, which according to BD 8 days ago we not not heavily doing?
When you plan, that means one of these options is going to happen. Plan 1 is supposed to be the most likely, #2 next most likely. They were not goals, or ideals or scenarios, they were plans.
Again, what I'm assuming is BD accurately and correctly conveyed what the coaches are thinking. Because if he did, I'm concerned that the coaches are busy making plans that are not happening. Put bluntly, they are not sizing up situations properly.
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I had one huge error and that was big one for sure. That was when I first saw JFB play I thought he was a lost cause. Today we see how exactly wrong I was on that one. I laugh at myself on that one and I could not be happier that I was.
Big Daddy you don't have to defend anything. Your info is 100 times for relevant than most of what gets posted here. Keep it coming.
I had to quote the JFB part. I saw him at the first Haunted Hoops scrimmage and he looked totally lost, deer in the headlights. I said to my buddy that night "I don't think we'll get much out of that kid". By Spring of that season Jimmy had already proven me completely wrong and from there on its just been wronger and wronger. Sometimes its great to be wrong.
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It is apparent that we were never really an option for him.
Here is where your POV is flawed and is what is causing other's to dismiss you. You state an opinion as if it is fact. When the reality is, everyone close to situation agrees that we were a top option for Lee. Lee went to Louisville and got blown away by Pitino's pitch. It happens. Blue bloods often have that effect on recruits. It does not mean that we weren't an option, it just means Louisville did an amazing job on his visit.
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So at the risk of the trolls fighting and intentionally misreading what I'm saying to start an argument, let me highlight two post from late April.
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I won't even bother to defend my record, I will let it speak for itself.
Big Daddy tells it like it is!
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I won't even bother to defend my record, I will let it speak for itself. I had one huge error and that was big one for sure. That was when I first saw JFB play I thought he was a lost cause. Today we see how exactly wrong I was on that one. I laugh at myself on that one and I could not be happier that I was.
JJJ has no issues with Austin, there are just not friends. I am out of town so I did just talk with one staff member who gave me his thoughts. The upside in this situation is that Wojo is the one with the relationship. As I said in the previous post the fact that Tennessee is out is a big factor.
It happens. I have a friend who thought the Packers wasted a draft pick on Aaron Rodgers.
All of your information is much appreciated!
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Here is where your POV is flawed and is what is causing other's to dismiss you. You state an opinion as if it is fact. When the reality is, everyone close to situation agrees that we were a top option for Lee. Lee went to Louisville and got blown away by Pitino's pitch. It happens. Blue bloods often have that effect on recruits. It does not mean that we weren't an option, it just means Louisville did an amazing job on his visit.
See the part where the coaching staff said they were not concerned we had nothing scheduled with Lee. That was a mistake.
And who have we signed snce Lee and Miller blew up (that can play next season)? No one? So we are going into next season with 10 bodies.
I understand your POV that everything is fine. But it appears that the coaches were banking on Lee or Miller or both (via BD post) and when both went elsewhere the coaching staff was left with their pants around their ankles.
We are going into this coming season with 10 bodies. And HE and Luke are both recoverying from Surgery. If we stay at 9 or 10 it's a moot point. But if the injury or flu bug hit and we are down to 7 or 6, like last year, remember the botched attempt to get Lee and Miller with no backup plan. This is where the season was lost.
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You don't have to defend your record. You are conduit to the coaching staff. I've always believe you accurately portrayed what they say/think.
So at the risk of the trolls fighting and intentionally misreading what I'm saying to start an argument, let me highlight two post from late April.
Question for BD, what happened with Miller and Lee? Your post did not seem to square with the reality just a few days later. And because Wojo did not land any other graduate transfer, did he misjudge?
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http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=47441.msg725580#msg725580
Big Daddy wrote ...
3) Damien Lee is the #1 target and they do have a commitment for a visit in early May, just not a date. They know exactly when he is visiting the other schools and like that they are the last one to be visited. There is a relationship between DL and one of the staff and there is mutual interest and communication. They expect that Lee will come for a visit..did not seem to be too concerned that he will commit before visiting.
4) Miller is #2 target and again there is mutual interest, but I got the impression that they actually feel better about Lee than Miller.
I'm not concerned that we lost DL. I'm concerned how we lost him. It is apparent that we were never really an option for him. He did not come for a visit. We were probably his safety school.
What is concerning is what BD said above. The coaching staff had as their #1 target someone that wasn't a realistic option. They were not concerned about him committing before he visits when they should have been concerned about exactly that. Had he visited, considered and then picked something else it would have been better than what actually happened. At least if he visited we were a serious option and not a safety school.
Similarly option #2 (Miller) was someone that was also not a realistic option. Again we were merely a safety school and the coaching staff thought we were more than that.
Should we be concerned that the coaching staff is having a hard time gauging interest? If so, does this matter? Tell me where I'm wrong.
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Quote from: brewcity77 on April 25, 2015, 06:54:43 AM
So did Wojo never have a shot? I doubt that. I do believe they got positive feedback from Lee's camp, which got them in this position in the first place. This is just another litmus test for a young staff. Will they still be able to land two grad transfers like they were hoping for or do they have a JUCO ready to commit? Or are they moving on to 2016/17, which is where efforts seemed to be this week?
Quote from: warriorfan 14 on April 25, 2015, 07:54:31 AM
the only thing i am concerned about is hoping that wojo had a plan after losing out on miller and lee
And this is another thing that has me concerned. Big Daddy also said this ...
5) After that the top targets are two JUCO players. Plan 1 is Lee and Miller, plan #2 is lee or miller and 1 JUco plan 2 - two Jucos. We are not heavily recruiting any other HS seniors.
BD wrote that 8 days ago (April 17). So are we to believe that in just a week plan 1 is gone, plan 2 is gone. plan 3 (two jucos) is now gone and we are on to recruiting HS kids, which according to BD 8 days ago we not not heavily doing?
When you plan, that means one of these options is going to happen. Plan 1 is supposed to be the most likely, #2 next most likely. They were not goals, or ideals or scenarios, they were plans.
Again, what I'm assuming is BD accurately and correctly conveyed what the coaches are thinking. Because if he did, I'm concerned that the coaches are busy making plans that are not happening. Put bluntly, they are not sizing up situations properly.
Dude you have a Ners like obsession with calling out and beefing with the best poster on this board. Chill out man, the guy shared some info and sh!t ended up going another way. It happens.
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Dude you have a Ners like obsession with calling out and beefing with the best poster on this board. Chill out man, the guy shared some info and sh!t ended up going another way. It happens.
On top of that he's worried about the most certain part of Wojo's resume, recruiting. We can debate his X's & O's, in-game adjustments, rotations all day long but recruiting?
Let. It. Go.
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It happens. I have a friend who thought the Packers wasted a draft pick on Aaron Rodgers.
I remember an MU classmate in 1989 saying Michael Jordan would never win an NBA Championship because he wasn't a team player. BTW, that is not code that I said it, it really was not me.
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Honestly, I'd be more concerned if you DID think Jimmy was gonna be anything close to what he is today.
The guy put the work in and shocked everyone plain and simple. He deserves all the credit for doing what no one could reasonably envision when first coming here.
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Dude you have a Ners like obsession with calling out and beefing with the best poster on this board. Chill out man, the guy shared some info and sh!t ended up going another way. It happens.
Dude, how did you get an MU degree with your reading ability this bad? Read it again you will see I said nothing bad about BD, I asked him why everything the coaching staff said to him was wrong and why they had no backup plan after Miller/Lee.
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Looks like there a new potential tennant. Go get em Wojo.
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Dude, how did you get an MU degree with your reading ability this bad? Read it again you will see I said nothing bad about BD, I asked him why everything the coaching staff said to him was wrong and why they had no backup plan after Miller/Lee.
I'm not criticizing, but why was everything you said wrong?
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Man, people getting upset on the internet that what they read/inferred is not 100% true/come into fruition. oh well gives me an excuse to post this
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I remember an MU classmate in 1989 saying Michael Jordan would never win an NBA Championship because he wasn't a team player. BTW, that is not code that I said it, it really was not me.
Sorry to take this off topic, but your classmate was right about the first part. Michael Jordan was not much of a team player. Especially when compared to his predecessor stars Bird and Magic. He is the first guy that was so great that it didn't matter that he wasn't a great team player. Before him, I wouldn't have thought it possible to play like him and win a championship, either.
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Dude, how did you get an MU degree with your reading ability this bad? Read it again you will see I said nothing bad about BD, I asked him why everything the coaching staff said to him was wrong and why they had no backup plan after Miller/Lee.
Change "was wrong" to "didn't pan out as hoped" and maybe some folks would agree with you.
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I'm not criticizing, but why was everything you said wrong?
In this case, Big Daddy is a reporter ... He tells us what the coaches tell him. As I have written over and over, I believe what he a wrote is accurate.
Why is it unfair to ask why all those "plan 1", "plan 2" two and "plan 3" fell apart in like three days and they had nothing after that. Unless Marotta's kid was the backup plan.
Hoping for no flu bug or injury because their is no next man up this coming season.
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In this case, Big Daddy is a reporter ... He tells us what the coaches tell him. As I have written over and over, I believe what he a wrote is accurate.
Why is it unfair to ask why all those "plan 1", "plan 2" two and "plan 3" fell apart in like three days and they had nothing after that. Unless Marotta's kid was the backup plan.
Hoping for no flu bug or injury because their is no next man up this coming season.
because they were plans, not guarantees.
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See the part where the coaching staff said they were not concerned we had nothing scheduled with Lee. That was a mistake.
And who have we signed snce Lee and Miller blew up (that can play next season)? No one? So we are going into next season with 10 bodies.
I understand your POV that everything is fine. But it appears that the coaches were banking on Lee or Miller or both (via BD post) and when both went elsewhere the coaching staff was left with their pants around their ankles.
We are going into this coming season with 10 bodies. And HE and Luke are both recoverying from Surgery. If we stay at 9 or 10 it's a moot point. But if the injury or flu bug hit and we are down to 7 or 6, like last year, remember the botched attempt to get Lee and Miller with no backup plan. This is where the season was lost.
this is awesome....in one post responding to big daddy you say "how much of this should we believe" and a few posts later you use the source you just questioned (big daddy) as the only source for concerns over wojo's recruiting. well done...
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this is awesome....in one post responding to big daddy you say "how much of this should we believe" and a few posts later you use the source you just questioned (big daddy) as the only source for concerns over wojo's recruiting. well done...
Like I said, the trolls want to hate, that is all they see
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Why is Heisenberg trying to call out BigDaddy?
Well, it's because everyone's eyeballs go right to BigDaddy's posts right when they see his name pop up on Scoop, while everyone scrolls quickly past Heisenberg's post because they know what it's going to be and know it's going to be a bunch of nonsense.
BigDaddy is what Heisenberg aspires to be. He wants the attention that BigDaddy gets, so he has to try to tear BigDaddy down. The big difference is that BigDaddy doesn't ask for the attention, he simply gets it because he provides solid information, while Heisenberg will just annoy people to death by saying anything and everything that he can to get people to read his stuff. "You guys are all looking at him. You should be looking at me!"
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I remember an MU classmate in 1989 saying Michael Jordan would never win an NBA Championship because he wasn't a team player. BTW, that is not code that I said it, it really was not me.
That was a very popular media trope back then: "Michael is great, but he'll NEVER win a title."
Jordan was no Magic but he made those around him better in his own way. Mostly, he drew all the defensive attention, so even if he didn't always pass out of the double teams, he might miss a shot and then Grant or Rodman were free for the rebounds. Michael also was an amazing defender.
Jordan also was a better passer than many give him credit for. He averaged 8 assists in 88-89. He passed to Paxson for the 1993 championship clincher and passed to Kerr for the 1997 championship clincher. And everybody remembers his famous "Double Nickel" game at MSG a week or so after he unretired in 1995, but what some don't remember is that he passed to Wennington for the winning dunk.
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Recent tweet from Gary Parrish regarding Nichols:
"... I'm told the family will take about a week to sort through options. Then they'll contact schools. Then they'll try to decide by 8/1/15."
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That was a very popular media trope back then: "Michael is great, but he'll NEVER win a title."
Jordan was no Magic but he made those around him better in his own way. Mostly, he drew all the defensive attention, so even if he didn't always pass out of the double teams, he might miss a shot and then Grant or Rodman were free for the rebounds. Michael also was an amazing defender.
Jordan also was a better passer than many give him credit for. He averaged 8 assists in 88-89. He passed to Paxson for the 1993 championship clincher and passed to Kerr for the 1997 championship clincher. And everybody remembers his famous "Double Nickel" game at MSG a week or so after he unretired in 1995, but what some don't remember is that he passed to Wennington for the winning dunk.
Actually it was Grant who passed to Paxson in '93. I've probably seen the sequence replayed 100 times. Jordan inbounded to Armstrong, back to Jordan, passed to Pippen, passed to Grant, passed to Paxson for 3.
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Actually it was Grant who passed to Paxson in '93. I've probably seen the sequence replayed 100 times. Jordan inbounded to Armstrong, back to Jordan, passed to Pippen, passed to Grant, passed to Paxson for 3.
BJ Armstrong went to my high school. We Are Brother Rice!!!
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Recent tweet from Gary Parrish regarding Nichols:
"... I'm told the family will take about a week to sort through options. Then they'll contact schools. Then they'll try to decide by 8/1/15."
I view that as a positive. Hope he's got his passport ready for the Italy trip he'll be on.
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I view that as a positive. Hope he's got his passport ready for the Italy trip he'll be on.
He wouldn't be able to go as a transfer. Rowsey cannot either.
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He wouldn't be able to go as a transfer. Rowsey cannot either.
Oh, okay. Learn something new every day. Thanks Sultan.
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BJ Armstrong went to my high school. We Are Brother Rice!!!
BJ Armstrong is a bum.
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BJ Armstrong is a bum.
ahh, another "he beat my dad's team so he is a classless prick" guy.
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ahh, another "he beat my dad's team so he is a classless prick" guy.
Not quite. Just Scheyer and Cooley. Actually played against BJ in a pickup game. With the way he was acting you would have thought he was better then Lebron and Jordan. Yea, he was good but un unguardable. Plus he's Derrick Rose's agent.
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So, he's wealthy, hey?
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Dude, how did you get an MU degree with your reading ability this bad? Read it again you will see I said nothing bad about BD, I asked him why everything the coaching staff said to him was wrong and why they had no backup plan after Miller/Lee.
How did you get an MU degree? Ever look at your grammar or think about using punctuation? Take a seat.
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So Austin Nichols huh?? Whatta talented PF.
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He wouldn't be able to go as a transfer. Rowsey cannot either.
Oh, okay. Learn something new every day. Thanks Sultan.
Do not thank him - he is wrong. Most often when people speak on rules and regulations they are wrong. Sultan has completely eff'd this one up.
Nichols would not be due able to head overseas, but only due to MU's academic calendar.
You can disagree with me on this topic, but you will be dead wrong.
Clarification: Rowsey's status as a transfer does not make him ineligible, rather his ineligibility to compete this season does.
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So, he's wealthy, hey?
Wealthy ... but not nearly as wealthy as his orthopedist
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this is awesome....in one post responding to big daddy you say "how much of this should we believe" and a few posts later you use the source you just questioned (big daddy) as the only source for concerns over wojo's recruiting. well done...
Like I said, the trolls want to hate, that is all they see
The "well done" was sarcastic. Amazing to think that you are the one calling others reading comprehension into question.
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Why is Heisenberg trying to call out BigDaddy?
Well, it's because everyone's eyeballs go right to BigDaddy's posts right when they see his name pop up on Scoop, while everyone scrolls quickly past Heisenberg's post because they know what it's going to be and know it's going to be a bunch of nonsense.
BigDaddy is what Heisenberg aspires to be. He wants the attention that BigDaddy gets, so he has to try to tear BigDaddy down. The big difference is that BigDaddy doesn't ask for the attention, he simply gets it because he provides solid information, while Heisenberg will just annoy people to death by saying anything and everything that he can to get people to read his stuff. "You guys are all looking at him. You should be looking at me!"
Damn. I'd have to say you nailed it.
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Austin Nichols Blocked from Going to Tennessee, Proving Memphis Head Coach Josh Pastner to be a Joke
by Caleb Calhoun
http://allfortennessee.com/2015/07/10/austin-nichols-blocked-from-going-to-tennessee-proving-memphis-head-coach-josh-pastner-to-be-a-joke/
Josh Pastner and the Memphis Tigers blocked Austin Nichols from transferring to the Tennessee Vols for reasons that prove once again he is a complete joke.
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So let’s get this straight: Josh Pastner leads the charge to discontinue the series with the Tennessee Vols because he says it’s an unfair recruiting advantage.
That alone was the weirdest excuse ever. You think Marquette would make the same excuse to discontinue a series with Wisconsin? You think anybody would avoid playing Kansas in basketball because of a recruiting ground disadvantage?
But now it gets worse. As you may have recently heard, Austin Nichols, whom Tennessee recruited hard when Cuonzo Martin was in Knoxville, is transferring. The Tigers set conditions on his transfer.
Fair enough. The condition was that he could not transfer to a school that would be a future Memphis opponent, according to reports in Memphis.
Guess who was on that report. Of course, the Tennessee Vols. The team that Pastner quit scheduling is now the team that he will consider a “future opponent” when blocking Nichols from transferring there.
In fact, according to CBS Sports columnist Gary Parrish, Memphis actually did send Tennessee an email claiming they were a future opponent.
Does anybody else not find this to be reflective of how the Memphis Tigers handle everything with Tennessee? If you are not going to play Tennessee in the future, and if you don’t consider it a rivalry anymore, then why do you care if he transfers there?
There are only three possible explanations.
The first would be Pastner and the athletic department plan to renew the basketball rivalry that was great for both teams and the sport as a whole. Not likely.
The second is the petty little-sister mentality of the school. Memphis has always felt second-tier to Tennessee, and in response to the football programs being on different wavelengths (the series is 22-1 in favor of Tennessee), they try to act like the basketball program is the reverse, even though Tennessee actually leads the basketball series overall.
But the third is the most plausible in this situation. Pastner is becoming more and more of a laughingstock and blocked this to not look like more of a joke. It is becoming evident he is a failure at the University of Memphis who schedules as easy as possible and sells great recruiting classes simply to keep his job without actually performing on the court.
He has yet to take the Tigers out of the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament despite these highly ranked recruiting classes, and half of the guys in these classes transfer out anyway.
As bad as he looks right now going into his seventh year, imagine how much worse it would be if he lost one of his prized recruits to Tennessee, a program so bad that it just hired its third head coach in as many years and fired the second of its past three coaches due to recruiting scandals.
Pastner already is a coach hanging by a thread. In reality, he is a complete joke who can do nothing but recruit. But through easy scheduling and a few years in a terrible conference in which he had a much more talented team all those years, he was able to fool everybody by racking up wins.
The funny thing of all this is that Tennessee still hangs over Memphis’s head, despite not having played them in either sport in three years. Pastner knows that and makes a fool of himself handling it.
And that is why, for no stated real reason whatsoever, he is blocking Nichols from going to Tennessee.
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You put a lot of thought, and typed a lot of words, for something that precisely no one here cares about.
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You put a lot of thought, and typed a lot of words, for something that precisely no one here cares about.
Hello and welcome to muscoop, I'm chitown and ill be your guide here this evening.
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That piece of sheet article was written by a whiny little beoch Tenn Vol fan-- I'd guarantee it.
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Hello and welcome to muscoop, I'm chitown and ill be your guide here this evening.
Quickly sum up what Walter White said above.
Thanks guide!!
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Quickly sum up what Walter White said above.
Thanks guide!!
Nobody ever knows.
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Why is it unfair to ask why all those "plan 1", "plan 2" two and "plan 3" fell apart in like three days and they had nothing after that. Unless Marotta's kid was the backup plan.
Because in this case, BD was the messenger. Your issue is with the message. You are asking BD to answer questions effectively above his pay grade. He tried to provide information as was current to the best knowledge given to him at the time. It didn't work out that way.
Seriously, just move on from this. The staff targeted Lee and Miller and missed out. It happens. That's recruiting. Don't try to crucify the guy for his efforts to keep you informed just because sometimes what he's told doesn't come to pass.
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You put a lot of thought, and typed a lot of words, for something that precisely no one here cares about.
He doesn't type anything. Copy and paste. Rinse and repeat.
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Because in this case, BD was the messenger. Your issue is with the message. You are asking BD to answer questions effectively above his pay grade. He tried to provide information as was current to the best knowledge given to him at the time. It didn't work out that way.
Seriously, just move on from this. The staff targeted Lee and Miller and missed out. It happens. That's recruiting. Don't try to crucify the guy for his efforts to keep you informed just because sometimes what he's told doesn't come to pass.
+1,000,000,000,000
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BJ Armstrong is a bum.
I like BJs
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Do not thank him - he is wrong. Most often when people speak on rules and regulations they are wrong. Sultan has completely eff'd this one up.
Rowsey should be eligible so long as he has earned 3 credits this summer.
Nichols would not be due able to head overseas, but only due to MU's academic calendar.
You can disagree with me on this topic, but you will be dead wrong.
Agree with you on Nichols, but not sure about Rowsey. In Wojo's Twitter Q&A a few weeks back he was asked...
"Q. Are all incoming transfers/freshman traveling to Italy? #askwojo @steve_wojo @MUHoops
A: Due to NCAA rules, Andrew Rowsey can't make the trip, but everyone else will be there"
I don't know the rules, so it's possible that Rowsey won't make the trip because he just simply didn't take 3 credits this Summer. But to call Sultan "dead wrong" for saying that Rowsey won't be making the trip is "dead wrong". Call down.
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I like BJs
Who doesn't, hey?
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Agree with you on Nichols, but not sure about Rowsey. In Wojo's Twitter Q&A a few weeks back he was asked...
"Q. Are all incoming transfers/freshman traveling to Italy? #askwojo @steve_wojo @MUHoops
A: Due to NCAA rules, Andrew Rowsey can't make the trip, but everyone else will be there"
I don't know the rules, so it's possible that Rowsey won't make the trip because he just simply didn't take 3 credits this Summer. But to call Sultan "dead wrong" for saying that Rowsey won't be making the trip is "dead wrong". Call down.
Thank you. I was wrong that he couldn't go "as a transfer," but apparently because he hasn't earned enough credits. So if Rowsey would have announced his transfer early enough to be in the first summer session, and earned those credits, he could have gone then.
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Who doesn't, hey?
I met BJ Armstrong while waiting for a table at one of the restaurants at the Amana Colonies. He had just been drafted in the 1st round by the Bulls. He was a really good guy. I told the boys who he was and they immediately went and got paper and a pen to get his autograph. He laughed as he signed, saying these were his first autographs as a pro.
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I met BJ Armstrong while waiting for a table at one of the restaurants at the Amana Colonies. He had just been drafted in the 1st round by the Bulls. He was a really good guy. I told the boys who he was and they immediately went and got paper and a pen to get his autograph. He laughed as he signed, saying these were his first autographs as a pro.
Those autographs didn't wind up being worth a lot, a'inal?
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Those autographs didn't wind up being worth a lot, a'inal?
pretty much...
the boys were thrilled. He was their favorite NBA player as a result though
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I like BJs
bill? is that you?
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I met BJ Armstrong while waiting for a table at one of the restaurants at the Amana Colonies. He had just been drafted in the 1st round by the Bulls. He was a really good guy. I told the boys who he was and they immediately went and got paper and a pen to get his autograph. He laughed as he signed, saying these were his first autographs as a pro.
Shortly after we moved to Chicago in 1994, Steve Kerr was signing autographs at the Dominick's grocery store right down the street from us. My son, then 7 or so, found the Kerr basketball card in the Bulls set someone had given me and asked if we could go to the session. I hate waiting in line for those things but reluctantly agreed.
When we got there, Kerr was sitting by himself -- no agent, no store employee -- and there was nobody in line. I remember actually feeling a little sorry for him. My son sheepishly approached him for the autograph, and Kerr couldn't have been nicer, talking to my son (and me) for several minutes, asking where we had moved from, how much we liked Chicago, etc.
He instantly became one of my son's favorite players, and we're both glad Kerr has gone on to have such success in the NBA as a player and coach.
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In Regards to Transfers and this Josh Pastner article.....when Transfers leave US aren't they blocked from BIGEAST schools and WISCONSIN?
Maybe I'm wrong...just a question. Don't need my head ripped off, just simple asking a question....and wondering just how common that theme is.
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In Regards to Transfers and this Josh Pastner article.....when Transfers leave US aren't they blocked from BIGEAST schools and WISCONSIN?
Maybe I'm wrong...just a question. Don't need my head ripped off, just simple asking a question....and wondering just how common that theme is.
If you transfer from one BE school to another, you have to sit two years. That is a conference rule, not a MU rule. So you can transfer to another BE school but no one is going to sit two years so no one does it.
Brent blocked J-May from going to Bucky. Not sure if he ever did that with any other recruit.
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If you transfer from one BE school to another, you have to sit two years. That is a conference rule, not a MU rule. So you can transfer to another BE school but no one is going to sit two years so no one does it.
Brent blocked J-May from going to Bucky. Not sure if he ever did that with any other recruit.
Don't think there was ever another transfer that would have been considered by Wisconsin.
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If you transfer from one BE school to another, you have to sit two years. That is a conference rule, not a MU rule. So you can transfer to another BE school but no one is going to sit two years so no one does it.
Brent blocked J-May from going to Bucky. Not sure if he ever did that with any other recruit.
Did/ would Bo even have wanted j? Or should I ask, would Bo have wanted Tim? We play Bucky once a year. Let him go. Or was it a pissing match?
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Buzz never wanted Maymon. He figured out Timmy long before Buzz did.
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Did/ would Bo even have wanted j? Or should I ask, would Bo have wanted Tim? We play Bucky once a year. Let him go. Or was it a pissing match?
I remember the theory at the time that Buzz did Bo a favor by blocking JMay from going to Bucky?
Anyone buying this idea?
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I remember the theory at the time that Buzz did Bo a favor by blocking JMay from going to Bucky?
Anyone buying this idea?
Bo had no interest. Never had interest. Ever. Buzz didn't have to do Bo any favors.
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Bo>Buzz, hey?
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Austin also considering Gonzaga and Oregon.
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Austin also considering Gonzaga and Oregon.
"Also considering" as in, his final 3 are Marquette, Gonzaga, and Oregon?
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"Also considering" as in, his final 3 are Marquette, Gonzaga, and Oregon?
I think it's those 3 plus Notre Dame.
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If you transfer from one BE school to another, you have to sit two years. That is a conference rule, not a MU rule. So you can transfer to another BE school but no one is going to sit two years so no one does it.
Brent blocked J-May from going to Bucky. Not sure if he ever did that with any other recruit.
Gotcha...didn't know it was a BE rule, Thanks for the Info! Appreciate it!
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I think it's those 3 plus Notre Dame.
Got it. 2 West Coast teams and 2 Midwest teams.
Let's go get him Wojo.
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Good God, does Oregon just ever not take a shot at nearly every transfer that surfaces? Like Iowa State, it's not only annoyingly predictable, it cheapens their brand...even with the former being funded by Nike.
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Gonzaga has a lot forwards on scholarship already but Nichols will still get playing time. Oregon is desperate for players in the post. They have a lot of playing time to offer.
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Buzz never wanted Maymon. He figured out Timmy long before Buzz did.
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I think he meant Bo didn't want Tim Maymon
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"Also considering" as in, his final 3 are Marquette, Gonzaga, and Oregon?
There is no number of schools or final list. Schools are interested and some such as Zags and O are given consideration.
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Good God, does Oregon just ever not take a shot at nearly every transfer that surfaces? Like Iowa State, it's not only annoyingly predictable, it cheapens their brand...even with the former being funded by Nike.
How does it "cheapen their brand?" If anything, Iowa State has benefited from that brand in recent years.
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Pretty sure that was a typo, should have read "Bo never wanted Maymon."
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I think he meant Bo didn't want Tim Maymon
Obvious to all except ??
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In Regards to Transfers and this Josh Pastner article.....when Transfers leave US aren't they blocked from BIGEAST schools and WISCONSIN?
Maybe I'm wrong...just a question. Don't need my head ripped off, just simple asking a question....and wondering just how common that theme is.
Actually, Marquette is considered the most restrictive school out there, regularly blocking 350 other schools. The one unblocked school is Iowa State. Someone messed up the paper work on Steve.
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Actually, Marquette is considered the most restrictive school out there, regularly blocking 350 other schools. The one unblocked school is Iowa State. Someone messed up the paper work on Steve.
I LOL'ed. ;D
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Agree with you on Nichols, but not sure about Rowsey. In Wojo's Twitter Q&A a few weeks back he was asked...
"Q. Are all incoming transfers/freshman traveling to Italy? #askwojo @steve_wojo @MUHoops
A: Due to NCAA rules, Andrew Rowsey can't make the trip, but everyone else will be there"
I don't know the rules, so it's possible that Rowsey won't make the trip because he just simply didn't take 3 credits this Summer. But to call Sultan "dead wrong" for saying that Rowsey won't be making the trip is "dead wrong". Call down.
I agree with most of this and I was off. I screwed up, as did Sultan.
In addition to transfers needing to complete 3 credits before going on a foreign tour, they also must be eligible to compete for the upcoming season. [17.29.1.4.1.1(b)]
So... think back to a Trent Lockett.. he would have been fine to go on a foreign tour as a transfer... or a JUCO who is good to play immediately...
Rowsey as a 4-4 D-I transfer who must sit a year in residence is not. Sometimes I forget his former school was in fact D-I. I screwed up and should be covered in saran wrap and dumped upon by a beautiful girl.
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I agree with most of this and I was off. I screwed up, as did Sultan.
In addition to transfers needing to complete 3 credits before going on a foreign tour, they also must be eligible to compete for the upcoming season. [17.29.1.4.1.1(b)]
So... think back to a Trent Lockett.. he would have been fine to go on a foreign tour as a transfer... or a JUCO who is good to play immediately...
Rowsey as a 4-4 D-I transfer who must sit a year in residence is not. Sometimes I forget his former school was in fact D-I. I screwed up and should be covered in saran wrap and dumped upon by a beautiful girl.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4790278/soft-serve-o.gif)
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(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4790278/soft-serve-o.gif)
That's a really strange interpretation of "beautiful girl".
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I agree with most of this and I was off. I screwed up, as did Sultan.
In addition to transfers needing to complete 3 credits before going on a foreign tour, they also must be eligible to compete for the upcoming season. [17.29.1.4.1.1(b)]
So... think back to a Trent Lockett.. he would have been fine to go on a foreign tour as a transfer... or a JUCO who is good to play immediately...
Rowsey as a 4-4 D-I transfer who must sit a year in residence is not. Sometimes I forget his former school was in fact D-I. I screwed up and should be covered in saran wrap and dumped upon by a beautiful girl.
Why waste the Saran Wrap, ai na?
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Why waste the Saran Wrap, ai na?
Not a waste if they use the opaque stuff: http://www.uspackagingandwrapping.com/Opaque-Hand-Stretch-Film-3-Core.html
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Not looking good on the Nichols situation. Duke in strong. He wants to go to UVA, but Memphis won't budge on restrictions.
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With his family hiring a lawyer to fight the restrictions it would certainly appear as though he isn't content with the current offers.
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Not looking good on the Nichols situation. Duke in strong. He wants to go to UVA, but Memphis won't budge on restrictions.
Where you hear this?
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Where you hear this?
My bad.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25241052/memphis-transfer-austin-nichols-eyes-virginia-but-duke-likely-destination
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No surprise here. MU not likely to out recruit Duke regardless of the relationship with the lead recruiter, hey?
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My bad.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25241052/memphis-transfer-austin-nichols-eyes-virginia-but-duke-likely-destination
woah woah, this cat is a traditional?
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Not looking good on the Nichols situation. Duke in strong. He wants to go to UVA, but Memphis won't budge on restrictions.
From what I heard today, that would be a HUGE surprise.
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woah woah, this cat is a traditional?
Is it time to cool on him?
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My bad.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25241052/memphis-transfer-austin-nichols-eyes-virginia-but-duke-likely-destination
I could see the family challenging the Virginia restriction, though Memphis might actually win that one.
I would be beyond shocked if he went to Duke. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I would say there is a 0% chance he ends up there.
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From what I heard today, that would be a HUGE surprise.
Care to share what it was you heard?
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From what I heard today, that would be a HUGE surprise.
Is what you heard only that he won't go to Duke or did your source also throw in that we're involved and have a shot?
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Is what you heard only that he won't go to Duke or did your source also throw in that we're involved and have a shot?
Just that Duke is unlikely. Harry Giles, the number one player and power forward in 2016 is a near lock for Duke. The family doesn't want Nichols to transfer only to be recruited over.
Likely also takes Kentucky and Kansas out of the mix.
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I just caught up on twitter. My guess is that the family wins the lawsuit against Memphis and he ends up at Virginia. His lawyer said that he wouldn't be surprised to see this go to federal court. Not sure why it would have to go that far unless he really wants to go to a school on the restricted list. Also, I saw something along the lines that his family is real tight with the family that UVA's gym is named after...which if so, why not go there in the first place?
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I could see the family challenging the Virginia restriction, though Memphis might actually win that one.
I would be beyond shocked if he went to Duke. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I would say there is a 0% chance he ends up there.
Maybe Rothstein heard that Austin is talking a lot to the man who almost recruited him to Duke....
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I just caught up on twitter. My guess is that the family wins the lawsuit against Memphis and he ends up at Virginia. His lawyer said that he wouldn't be surprised to see this go to federal court. Not sure why it would have to go that far unless he really wants to go to a school on the restricted list. Also, I saw something along the lines that his family is real tight with the family that UVA's gym is named after...which if so, why not go there in the first place?
If he wants to go to Virginia badly enough, he should be able to swing a year's worth of tuition.
I can't think of what the basis of his lawsuit would be. Nor can I see him winning in time to get athletic aid from Virginia this year. I've got to think that it's a bit late to be asking for financial aid for this fall, as well.
To get an injunction against the NCAA to allow Virginia to provide athletic aid this year, he would have to show irreparable harm if he doesn't get the injunction which is difficult to do.
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If he can afford to sue Memphis, he could probably afford to pay his way to UVa.
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I just caught up on twitter. My guess is that the family wins the lawsuit against Memphis and he ends up at Virginia. His lawyer said that he wouldn't be surprised to see this go to federal court. Not sure why it would have to go that far unless he really wants to go to a school on the restricted list. Also, I saw something along the lines that his family is real tight with the family that UVA's gym is named after...which if so, why not go there in the first place?
There's a lot of bad blood between Memphis and UVA. One of the main families that bankrolls UVA is from Memphis. It also sounds like if there was tampering done, Memphis thinks it started with Virginia.
Pastner has done a good job at recruiting, but a poor job at managing the team. Tons of transfers, local kids get there and quickly decide they want out. He's going to lose his best player, and if they aren't dancing (and winning once they get there) he may be out of a job come April.
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I could see the family challenging the Virginia restriction, though Memphis might actually win that one.
I would be beyond shocked if he went to Duke. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I would say there is a 0% chance he ends up there.
Agree, Duke is courting Wendell Carter Hard.
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There's a lot of bad blood between Memphis and UVA. One of the main families that bankrolls UVA is from Memphis. It also sounds like if there was tampering done, Memphis thinks it started with Virginia.
Pastner has done a good job at recruiting, but a poor job at managing the team. Tons of transfers, local kids get there and quickly decide they want out. He's going to lose his best player, and if they aren't dancing (and winning once they get there) he may be out of a job come April.
That makes a lot of sense, if Austin's family is tight with the family who got Virginia's gym named after them. Any tampering could have happened socially in Memphis without any UVa athletic department personnel involved. A family that provides a lot of cash to Virginia's athletic department would have to be classified as boosters. Maybe Virginia will think twice and back away from Nichols to save themselves some potential grief from the NCAA.
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This whole situation is making me want Wojo to stay away. This could get real ugly, real soon.
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This whole situation is making me want Wojo to stay away. This could get real ugly, real soon.
I disagree. As things now stand, Virginia is the only school I see facing any scrutiny over this. If they back away, Nichols will need somewhere else to land where there wouldn't be any question of tampering. Assuming there's no smoke around the Al, there's no reason why MU can't be the beneficiary here. I don't think that any of this really casts any kind of a pall over Austin.
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I disagree. As things now stand, Virginia is the only school I see facing any scrutiny over this. If they back away, Nichols will need somewhere else to land where there wouldn't be any question of tampering. Assuming there's no smoke around the Al, there's no reason why MU can't be the beneficiary here. I don't think that any of this really casts any kind of a pall over Austin.
I don't have a problem with the tampering. I don't think Wojo would have that problem. I'm. More worried with the fact would he actually want to be at MU if he's fighting these restrictions so hard.
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I disagree. As things now stand, Virginia is the only school I see facing any scrutiny over this. If they back away, Nichols will need somewhere else to land where there wouldn't be any question of tampering. Assuming there's no smoke around the Al, there's no reason why MU can't be the beneficiary here. I don't think that any of this really casts any kind of a pall over Austin.
+1
If the kid goes to Virginia, so be it. If not, I would absolutely take him in a heartbeat. I think Memphis is a bad situation for just about anybody. Everything I've heard about Nichols is positive.
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Agree, Duke is courting Wendell Carter Hard.
Better anytime than Wendell Carter Soft, ai na?
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Looks like Mr. Nichols can now do what he wants:
@TheRecruitScoop: RT @GaryParrishCBS: Memphis has removed all conditions from Austin Nichols’ transfer.
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Guessing that will put UVA in the driver's seat.
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Guessing that will put UVA in the driver's seat.
Gross.
Enjoyed watching Nichols play with M33M and Tennessee soon-to-be-stud (as a jr) Robert Hubbs.
Their younger teammate is an incoming frosh at Iowa.. watch for that boi. Andrew Fleming.
PS - if a guy is being courted heavily by Virginia, Duke and MU, there's a good chance he's a traditional.
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Looks like Mr. Nichols can now do what he wants:
@TheRecruitScoop: RT @GaryParrishCBS: Memphis has removed all conditions from Austin Nichols’ transfer.
First Wisconsin, now Memphis backs down. Transfer restrictions are beginning to look like paper tigers.
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Limp dicks, hey Murray?
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Let's just get the Coffey kid and call it a 2016.
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I can't believe Memphis actually backed down. Even though it probably wasn't his decision, Pastner looks really bad right now
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Pastner looks really bad even worse right now
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nm
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First Wisconsin, now Memphis backs down. Transfer restrictions are beginning to look like paper tigers.
Transfer restrictions blow. They are practically un-American. Glad the kid is free to do what he wants.
On a related note ...
Glad I didn't change my Scoop name to AN82.
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Transfer restrictions blow. They are practically un-American. Glad the kid is free to do what he wants.
On a related note ...
Glad I didn't change my Scoop name to AN82.
Yea, he ain't coming to Marquette anytime soon
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Crash, ya sure we ain't got UVA on the home schedule, hey?
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Does this mean the UVa booster is off the A-list for all of Memphis' high-society hoedowns and such?
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Does this mean the UVa booster is off the A-list for all of Memphis' high-society hoedowns and such?
Nah, most of that high-society stuff is for charity, and evidently UVa booster has the cash sought after for those.
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Nichols is transferring to Virginia.
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Nichols is transferring to Virginia.
Reminds me of a Chicago Election.
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Next man up, hey?
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Window Dressing!
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Reminds me of a Chicago Election.
Why? Because the kid decided to play for a successful team at an awesome school in a great conference?
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Why? Because the kid decided to play for a successful team at an awesome school in a great conference?
Yeah, your right.
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Yeah, your right.
Ummm
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When he was recruited out of HS he was torn between VA and Memphis. No surprise he ended up with Va.
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Crash, ya sure we ain't got UVA on the home schedule, hey?
I'm just wondering if Nichols follows Bennett to Madison when TB takes up the Badger reins?
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Ummm
Smoke gets in my eyes.
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Eh ... Wojo cooled on him anyway.
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Why? Because the kid decided to play for a successful team at an awesome school in a great conference?
Because Memphis blocked Virginia due to perceived tampering and then Nichols lawyered up and Memphis caved. Normally, I'm happy when the player gets the advantage over the school, but since this resulted in a great player getting away from Marquette, hard not to be a little selfish.
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Because Memphis blocked Virginia due to perceived tampering and then Nichols lawyered up and Memphis caved. Normally, I'm happy when the player gets the advantage over the school, but since this resulted in a great player getting away from Marquette, hard not to be a little selfish.
Yeah, it helps me to think how incensed I'd have been if Crean had restricted Fischer from going to Marquette.
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Yeah, it helps me to think how incensed I'd have been if Crean had restricted Fischer from going to Marquette.
It would have been worth it just to hear the Bail Bondsman defend Crean!