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Kid has Deonte Burton type flow imho
Not much chatter about a very highly rated prospect....?
He's a guy that I don't think any of us had on the radar and his unofficial visit seemed to come out of nowhere. MU has a lot of wings but hard to turn down a top 25 talent if he wants to come. What does this say about our chance for Coffey? I'd like to see a PF in 2016 now that Kyle Washington chose Cincy. Perhaps Wojo oversigns with Hauser, a PF, and someone like Coffey or Heron.
I keep telling people. Coffey can literally play every position except the 5 even though him and his dad prefer the 1.
If he's ok with playing all over he will be here without a doubt. Nothing is really effecting him.
This Heron guy sounds like a very nice player as well.
I posted some info yesterday but maybe I wasn't supposed to and it was removed?
I posted some info yesterday but maybe I wasn't supposed to and it was removed?
I keep telling people. Coffey can literally play every position except the 5 even though him and his dad prefer the 1.
If he's ok with playing all over he will be here without a doubt. Nothing is really effecting him.
This Heron guy sounds like a very nice player as well.
Are we recruiting his dad too?
Are we recruiting his dad too?
I posted some info yesterday but maybe I wasn't supposed to and it was removed?
Gil Scott-?
You should probably just go ram your head through a wall
There were two threads on Heron posted yesterday. Look down the home page about a dozen threads...
The visit will not be televised.
Oh come on, that was pretty well played ;D
Not really. If his dad was just an average dad maybe, but in that case I probably wouldn't have even mentioned what his dad wanted. But his father has very relevant input in this situation.I'm sure his dad is very relevant to the situation. but the joke was that if his dad still has yrs of eligibility left we were going to offer him a a scholarship so he could play point too
Not really. If his dad was just an average dad maybe, but in that case I probably wouldn't have even mentioned what his dad wanted. But his father has very relevant input in this situation.
Love this kid's athleticism and control. Get him and Coffey and this is a great sequel to Wojo's first recruiting class.
Not really. If his dad was just an average dad maybe, but in that case I probably wouldn't have even mentioned what his dad wanted. But his father has very relevant input in this situation.
Apparently you have no sense of humor and want to paint Coffey's dad as the second coming of Tim Maymon. If that's your goal, I guess well done. If not, I'd recommend quitting while you aren't (too far) behind.
Apparently you have no sense of humor and want to paint Coffey's dad as the second coming of Tim Maymon. If that's your goal, I guess well done. If not, I'd recommend quitting while you aren't (too far) behind.
What about that can you not understand? Like really it's simple stuff.
You should probably just go ram your head through a wall
Coffey can literally play every position except the 5 even though him and his dad prefer the 1.
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Back on topic, Heron is visiting St. John's next, I believe this weekend.
Talking heads seem to think that SJU is the frontrunner. Would be a great get for Mullin. Would love him to go there if we can't nab him
I like the kids game. He reminds me of a young Lance Stephenson.
What about the guy made a joke can you not understand? And I'm not painting him like Tim Maymon, you are. Whether intentional or not, that's the tone your posts take.
Hahahaha dear lord. How many times do you have to be told HE IS NOTHING LIKE MAYMON.
NOTHING. AT ALL.
Like can you read? Even a little bit?
Amir and his dad are in this together. That is a fact, meaning it cannot be argued.
And when you keep saying this, that makes it sound the complete opposite. Never once have I said his dad is like Tim Maymon. Never once have I inferred that his dad is like Tim Maymon. However when you constantly beat the drum of how involved his dad is, how much his dad is pushing the positional decision, and how much his dad will matter, you really make it sound like he IS like Tim Maymon.
You.
You make it sound like he is like Tim Maymon.
Even when you say the opposite, you STILL make it sound like he is Tim Maymon.(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/63266306.jpg)
think you're wrong on this one. some families have multiple kids who are all recruited to play sports in college and by the time their 3rd or 4th kid is going through the process they know exactly what they need to look for to find the right fit. other families have a parent who went through the process and know first hand how it works and what to look for. these types of families make it hard for a coach to get a kid caught up in promises or in a visit with a bunch of bells and whistles and make the coaches truly prepare and show them that they have a plan for their kid, for the program, for school, etc. it's a good thing, a compliment, really. they know what really is important and they know they aren't going to just push a coach around and that some coaches are just saying what you want to hear, and they'll look for the best situation. they won't demand things, they'll just pass up on your bs if they feel that's what they're getting from you. seems like that's what he's saying about coffee's father.
other families seem to have "handlers" (whether it's a caregiver or a "family friend" or a coach or whatever) who have never really been through the process but want to make these crazy demands because, well, they've never been through the process and don't know how it works. these people are easier to wow in their recruitments because you simply have to tell them what they want to hear even if you have no intention of following through (vs. the first type of family, who can smell your bs from a mile away), but then gets crazy when it doesn't work how your illogical mind demanded it works. seems like this was the maymon's.
SMH
I didn't say he was like Maymon. If you read the post you quoted you would see I repeatedly did not at any point say that. My point was that when HH constantly posts about Coffey & his dad, he makes it appear that the comparison (which I again did not make) is apt. And his overexuberant posts on the subject make me think "thou dost protest too much."
The word gets bandied about too much with prep recruiting (especially amongst MU fans) but if Wojo were to land a pledge from Heron that would be the definition of a recruiting "coup".
Because he outrecruited Pitt, SJU, and Alabama? He'd be a great pickup but for me a coup involves outrecruiting a school or schools that are a significant level above yours
Heron would be a big get just because the perspective is he's such a strong SJU lean. That and we probably haven't landed an East Coast player of his ranking since Al was here.
Any word on how the visit went?
Because he outrecruited Pitt, SJU, and Alabama? He'd be a great pickup but for me a coup involves outrecruiting a school or schools that are a significant level above yoursI think the other schools involved are very tough competition . Pitt has a consistently strong program and respected coach, Mullin is basketball royalty in NY and Avery has an impressive pedigree and a very motivational personality. All offer instant playing time, which is how you recruit a kid of this ranking away from a blue blood.
He had to reschedule, visits aren't allowed in July. Expect him to trip to SJU next month. Or if we're really lucky, commit before then (not happening, lol).
Not in his top 6.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/mustapha-heron-cuts-to-six-schools/
Good. Not likely to get him anyway, would rather get eliminated and not waste resources and time on a kid we won't get. Better to hear no than maybe.
Heron updated his list, changed top 6 to top 7, and Marquette was the school added to the list.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/mustapha-heron-cuts-to-six-schools/
Heron updated his list, changed top 6 to top 7, and Marquette was the school added to the list.(https://alisonguzzio.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/ron-burgundy-say-what-anchorman-2.gif)
http://zagsblog.com/articles/mustapha-heron-cuts-to-six-schools/
Heron updated his list, changed top 6 to top 7, and Marquette was the school added to the list.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/mustapha-heron-cuts-to-six-schools/
Heron updated his list, changed top 6 to top 7, and Marquette was the school added to the list.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/mustapha-heron-cuts-to-six-schools/
Not the best sign that we were forgotten
Cat's middle name must be DeAndre, hey?
Not the best sign that we were forgotten
Why are we even looking at this guy? According to the story he only played for 17 minutes in his last AAU game.
Not the best sign that we were forgotten
So he's going to transfer from Marquette to Iowa St?
Marquette is in his top 5.
MU, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, St. John's.
Looks like St. John's is going to be the team to beat out for his commitment. His dad played with their assistant head coach.
Not really. If his dad was just an average dad maybe, but in that case I probably wouldn't have even mentioned what his dad wanted. But his father has very relevant input in this situation.
The only problem I would have is if we never get any of the 4 or 5 Star players. I remember when Majerus was coach and we were mentioned with alot of good players. But the only one we got was Doc. We have to be able to get a C, Pf, Pg or whatever 4 or 5 star.
The only problem I would have is if we never get any of the 4 or 5 Star players. I remember when Majerus was coach and we were mentioned with alot of good players. But the only one we got was Doc. We have to be able to get a C, Pf, Pg or whatever 4 or 5 star.
Wojo's first class contained one 5 star and three four stars. Our current roster has one 5 star and seven 4 stars. I don't think we have to worry too much about not getting the 4 stars. Maybe the 5 stars but Wojo has already reeled one in.
Trotter was one of them Street & Smith cats, ai na?I was in Nebraska 10 days ago and the Nebraska newspaper listed the top 100 athletes from Nebraska. Trotter was 92ND on the list. First was Bob Gibson and 2ND was Gayle Sayers.
I thought JJJ was a five star on one of the sites? Or am I thinking of Vander?
Trotter was one of them Street & Smith cats, ai na?saw Trotter play several times in HS, and saw him a lot at MU. He was an absolute HS stud, and had a very good career at MU.
I was in Nebraska 10 days ago and the Nebraska newspaper listed the top 100 athletes from Nebraska. Trotter was 92ND on the list. First was Bob Gibson and 2ND was Gayle Sayers.Was ATL MU Warrior on that list? If not, it's a travesty. ;D
Trotter was one of the biggest disappointment as far as how good he was supposed to be . I saw games when it seemed he couldn't dribble and walk.
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2009/05/look-back-marquettes-history-with-top.htmlYes, Kerry did have a nice career. Interesting "miss" in the article is Walter Downing. In his first few games at MU after transferring, Walter was absolutely dominating. But, then he dislocated his shoulder at Northwestern blocking a shot. He was never the same after that other than the 7 blocked shots against UNC. The combination of the bad wheel and popping out shoulder were too much to overcome.
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The only problem I would have is if we never get any of the 4 or 5 Star players. I remember when Majerus was coach and we were mentioned with alot of good players. But the only one we got was Doc. We have to be able to get a C, Pf, Pg or whatever 4 or 5 star.
.I really don't think one could say that Junior did not pan out well as he was a key cog in two Sweet 16s, an Elite 8 and a BE championship and provided an emotional lift for the team when he came back post-Achilles as a frosh.
You can argue some of them didn't pan out well (Mason, Nick Williams, Junior, E-Will, Jamail, Juan, and Steve all underwhelmed) but we haven't had a problem getting those kids to commit. I'd guess few programs have that track record of success unless you are talking about true blue bloods, especially as that shows sustained success through three different coaches (and I'd happily wager Sam Hauser will be a top-100 kid in 2016 once rankings come out).
I really don't think one could say that Junior did not pan out well as he was a key cog in two Sweet 16s, an Elite 8 and a BE championship and provided an emotional lift for the team when he came back post-Achilles as a frosh.
"did not pan out well" may mean different things to different people.. but certainly I think it's fair to say Junior's time at MU wasn't as good as many hoped and certainly when compared to his rankings...
Look at the basics - his ORtg (95ish average, never better than 96).. eFG% low-mid 40's.. his turnover rate - mid to high 20's, 26% as a senior is extremely high... declining free throw rate, incredibly low 3FG% over his career...
He had his moments, but...
He could push tempo and could see the floor alright. Terrible shooter. And too many opposing point guards (eg, Peyton Siva in the BET) just blew by him repeatedly. He was OK. Did not live up to the ranking.Junior would have been a huge improvement over what we had at PG the past 2 years. And, For BrewCity,Junior was indeed the catalyst for a number of big wins for MU. Short memory there. His foul trouble against Florida inthe NCAAs was problematic for MU. Junior was simply a leader and a winner. And, yes he did have an enormous amount of difficulty with Louisville guards under the old defensive rules. Junio could be exasperating sometimes, but he sure earned his scholie. His interaction with Davante was terrific.
Junior would have been a huge improvement over what we had at PG the past 2 years. And, For BrewCity,Junior was indeed the catalyst for a number of big wins for MU. Short memory there. His foul trouble against Florida inthe NCAAs was problematic for MU. Junior was simply a leader and a winner. And, yes he did have an enormous amount of difficulty with Louisville guards under the old defensive rules. Junio could be exasperating sometimes, but he sure earned his scholie. His interaction with Davante was terrific.
Totally agree that he's SJU's to lose. I'd put that at about 75%. But if we can't get him it would be nice to add talent to the conference.
It's not a short memory, I remember Junior all too well. Felt underwhelmed by him when he was here and usually felt we won in spite of him rather than because of him. He saw the court well, I'll give him that. But he was a below average defender, awful shooter, and never came close to living up to the expectation.Sounds like a Derrick description. Whether or not he achieved his ranking, MU was fortunate to have him. We agree to disagree.
Junior was a great kid, a great citizen, and a great ambassador of Marquette. He played hard and always gave maximum effort. But as a player, he disappointed repeatedly. He had a few big moments and some good games where he did make the difference, but he benefited tremendously being surrounded by players like Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, DJO, Vander Blue, and Davante Gardner in his career. Buzz did a pretty poor job recruiting point guards. Junior, Reggie Smith, Derrick, and John Dawson were all pretty mediocre (at best) high major players. The best PG he recruited was probably Duane, who is more of a 2 than a 1.
Sounds like a Derrick description. Whether or not he achieved his ranking, MU was fortunate to have him. We agree to disagree.
I'd take 8 more years of junior before I'd take 1 of Derrick.
Christopherson wasn't a point guard and Buzz was the main recruitor for Taylor.
I agree that we need to better then Derrick who was really a backup recruit that Buzz took when he missed out on higher rated targets.
Junior was ok but hopefully we can do better going forward.
Junior would have been a huge improvement over what we had at PG the past 2 years. And, For BrewCity,Junior was indeed the catalyst for a number of big wins for MU. Short memory there. His foul trouble against Florida inthe NCAAs was problematic for MU. Junior was simply a leader and a winner. And, yes he did have an enormous amount of difficulty with Louisville guards under the old defensive rules. Junio could be exasperating sometimes, but he sure earned his scholie. His interaction with Davante was terrific.
Saw him in person at the Al and a couple EsPn TV games, he was what I thought he would be given his physical stature. He was never an elite athlete and was probably overrated. in the end, he had a very decent career and fit Buzz's system. And, he was simply a winner in spite of his limitations.
No need to shift the goalposts. Never compared him to Derrick. I was simply comparing him to the expectations that I had for him when he came in. He was a good player. Earned his scholarship no doubt. I simply thought he would be better.
I wouldn't be happy with one more year of either. That's where I hope Wojo helps. Buzz was terrible at evaluating PG talent. Absolutely awful. We'll see if Wojo does better, more in line with the guys Crean brought in. Diener, James, Acker, Cubillan, Christopherson, Taylor, I'd take any of them over any PG Buzz recruited.
Hopefully Traci Carter is the first in a line of better PGs than we had the past 5 years. It's truly amazing how much success we had with Buzz when you look at how poorly he recruited the most important position on the floor. Truly a testament to just how good guys like Jae, DJO, Jimmy, and Blue really were that we went as far as we did with such pedestrian PG play.
I have to think Wojo will be a better evaluator of talent at the position as well as a better developer of point guard skills. For a school with as many great PGs as we've had, we've been downright awful at that position for years.
I'd take Junior over Acker, Cubillan, and Taylor.
Yes, yes and very much no.Think the poster was referring to TJ Taylor and not Tyshawn...?
I'd take Junior over Acker, Cubillan, and Taylor.
Think the poster was referring to TJ Taylor and not Tyshawn...?
I think if the premise was non-Buzz recruits, he would mean Tyshawn.
Don't get all the Junior hate. Thought he was a solid player. One of my favorites. I don't get where the "terrible shooter" mantra came from. He shot well enough from the outside for defenders to have to respect him and had a nice pull up mid range game if I remember right. If you wanna see terrible shooting, I have 4 years of Derrick Wilson highlights for you.
Don't get all the Junior hate. Thought he was a solid player. One of my favorites. I don't get where the "terrible shooter" mantra came from. He shot well enough from the outside for defenders to have to respect him and had a nice pull up mid range game if I remember right. If you wanna see terrible shooting, I have 4 years of Derrick Wilson highlights for you.
Yes Junior did have a decent mid range game. And he could push the play way more than Derrick could. But Junior wasn't a good shooter.
This would be a fun thread to let ners back on for
You also can't leave out the fact that Junior was very dangerous driving the lane and could finish even with contact. That is one of the things that made him a good assist guy. If you can finish, both your man and the lane defender have to be ready to defend you at all times. While its true that having a 3 pt shot would have made him "an elite PG" having 2 out of 3 bases covered is generally good enough even for high majors. Derrick's problem was his answer to avoiding turnovers was never to dribble towards the basket. If you don't do that AND you don't shoot you are effectively a "non-player". If Traci has high level talent at driving or 3-pt shooting the offense will run significantly better
Conclusion: In a game of H-O-R-S-E, Junior would beat Derrick. The question is just how long that game would go on....
I heard he committed
I heard he committed
Heron? Committed where? He doesn't have any official visits until the end of the month.
I'm wondering if he heard something about Bailey.
Exactly right. Pomeroy has been tracking individual offensive efficiency for 13 years. Here are the top offensively efficient seasons for Marquette starting point guards in that time:
1) 126.6, Travis Diener, 2005
2) 124.5, Travis Diener, 2004
3) 117.1, Maurice Acker, 2010
4) 116.3, Travis Diener, 2003
5) 104.9, Dominic James, 2006
6) 104.7, Dominic James, 2008
7) 104.0, Dominic James, 2009
8) 102.3, Dominic James, 2007
9) 101.2, Dwight Buycks, 2011
10) 99.0, Derrick Wilson, 2015
11) 96.1, Junior Cadougan, 2013
12) 94.6, Derrick Wilson, 2014
13) 92.0, Junior Cadougan, 2012
So what does this tell us? First, Travis Diener was REALLY effing good. Second, that compared to their counterparts, Junior and Derrick were both pretty darn bad. Junior has two of the three worst seasons in the past 13 years and in his best season, he produced 5 fewer points per 100 possessions than anyone else we had at the position not named Derrick Wilson. And not only was Junior our least offensively efficient starter, he was also probably the worst man-to-man defender on this list. Certainly the worst of guys that started more than one season (I don't remember Acker being a particularly good defender either).
I generally agree with your comments herein and know that you understand what I'm about to say, but for others... I think it's important to also consider the player's usage along with ORtg.. for a '05 Deiner, you're talking about a 30%+ possession & %Shots guy.. he was excellent (in the games he played)... to have a 126.6 ORtg, but a %Poss similar to a '15 De Wilson, for example (sub-15% poss, 12% Shots) would mean something very different to the team.
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I believe most (in their words and/or minds) understate the impact on the offense De Wilson had... the low %Shots illustrate how little he was involved, but watching how defenses played him (i.e., a description of "sagging" doesn't do it justice).... his offensive issues impacted the team offense far more than his personal ORtg did...
I don't mean this in an overly hopeful way, but even with a lot of youth *injection*, I'm looking for the offense to perform at a significantly higher level than 2014-15.
Care to elaborate on that? Who said it, is it listed anywhere, who told you?
Here's what I don't get if junior was that equivalent to Derrick then was Vander really the difference between elite 8 big east championship and barely making it above 500 and not even making the nit?
Derrick isn't equivalent to junior. Both were just bad PGs. And yes, Vander's departure was a much bigger factor than Junior's.
Here's what I don't get if junior was that equivalent to Derrick then was Vander really the difference between elite 8 big east championship and barely making it above 500 and not even making the nit?
I guess I don't understand the point of the Derrick comparisons.
I heard he committed
The latest from zagsblog: Mustapha Heron has a top five, but the 6-foot-5 wing out of Sacred Heart (CT) High School admits that his list of St. John’s, Auburn, Mississippi State, Marquette and Alabama could still change.
Heron’s father, Bryan, was quoted in the Republican-American newspaper earlier this week as saying that Kentucky, Duke and North Carolina are also recruiting his son.
“My options are staying open, but those are the five I’m most comfortable with and the places I feel like I can go and have a huge impact right away,” Heron told SNY.tv Friday afternoon at practice for Saturday night’s Big Strick Classic at Gauchos Gym in the Bronx.
“The list could change depending on a lot of things. Coaches coming in, coaches leaving, players leaving, coming in. It all depends on what’s going on at each specific school.”
Good to see "most comfortable with." Wojo likes making the kids feel comfortable, so if comfort and impact are what Heron is looking for, this is a good start.
@EvanDaniels: Source: Mustapha Heron, a five-star wing, has committed to Bruce Pearl and Auburn.
@EvanDaniels: Source: Mustapha Heron, a five-star wing, has committed to Bruce Pearl and Auburn.
It appears ole Brucie had another one of his infamous barbeques this weekend at the Pearl residence.
Aren't they under investigation?