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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tums Festival on May 28, 2015, 02:23:26 PM
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With Iowa State going after the same recruits we do, would Hoiberg leaving to take over the Bulls be good for MU?
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/chicago-bulls-fire-tom-thibodeau-after-five-seasons-as-head-coach-052815 (http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/chicago-bulls-fire-tom-thibodeau-after-five-seasons-as-head-coach-052815)
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If Hoiberg accepts the Bulls job, ISU would promote TJ Otzelberger to head coach. He's very well connected to Milwaukee, and probably keep a number of recruits in play there.
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It might help with Amir Coffey.
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If you look at ISU's recruiting since TJO came back, it really looks like they are already recruiting his priority recruits. The only thing that would surprise me would be if Hoiberg didn't leave and TJO didn't replace him. As soon as ISU brought him back in April, it really looked like everything from Thibs getting let go to Hoiberg heading to Chicago to TJO taking over the Cyclones was a done deal.
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It might help with Amir Coffey.
Yep. I think Amir ends up at MU.
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Yep. I think Amir ends up at MU.
Is wojo willing to let Coffey play the point?
Makes the Rowsey signing even more illogical.
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Has Iowa State ever beaten us on a recruit the first time around, or do they just wait until guys leave MU?
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Is wojo willing to let Coffey play the point?
Makes the Rowsey signing even more illogical.
Coffey isn't a point guard and the Rowsey signing wasn't illogical at all.....
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Is wojo willing to let Coffey play the point?
Makes the Rowsey signing even more illogical.
Why would Wojo let Coffey play the point?
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Is wojo willing to let Coffey play the point?
Makes the Rowsey signing even more illogical.
What are you even talking about?
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Coffey isn't a point guard and the Rowsey signing wasn't illogical at all.....
...but, Hayward is usually negative about MU basketball
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What are you even talking about?
Coffey and his dad want him to play PG in college
I mean really pretty simple.
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...but, Hayward is usually negative about MU basketball
Saying I would rather have
Coffey, Kostas or Washington over another guard who played at UNc Ashville is negative?
Wanting a better option?
Might want to look up what the word "negative" means
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Has Iowa State ever beaten us on a recruit the first time around, or do they just wait until guys leave MU?
I suppose Matt Thomas, though his Marquette interest was lukewarm at best.
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Is wojo willing to let Coffey play the point?
Makes the Rowsey signing even more illogical.
It seems almost everyone MU recruits can be a point guard until they get to MU. Remember when many were saying Sandy Cohen could play the point?
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It seems almost everyone MU recruits can be a point guard until they get to MU. Remember when many were saying Sandy Cohen could play the point?
Yeah lol I know what your saying.
But in this case it's the wish of Coffey and his dad. They would prefer he plays a lot of point. What people don't get and I kept trying to explain just cuz he's 6'7 like Hauser and Kostas doesn't mean he's a SF type like them. He is versatile and we could basically play him 1-4 but he's mainly a guard and wants to play point.
I want him bad regardless where wojo decides to put him. Just saying that if Pg is truly his stance of wojo is willing to do that...Rowsey really didn't make sense at all.
Hauser, Coffey and Kostas would be such a encore class
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It seems almost everyone MU recruits can be a point guard until they get to MU. Remember when many were saying Sandy Cohen could play the point?
That was a crowd of 3 or 4...
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Yeah lol I know what your saying.
But in this case it's the wish of Coffey and his dad. They would prefer he plays a lot of point. What people don't get and I kept trying to explain just cuz he's 6'7 like Hauser and Kostas doesn't mean he's a SF type like them. He is versatile and we could basically play him 1-4 but he's mainly a guard and wants to play point.
Coffey will play the 2/3 in college. Guys that are 6'7" don't play the point in college. Maybe in spurts, on rare occasions, but not regularly.
Let's not forget we were also told Maymon and Looney were guards. Tim Maymon insisted Jeronne belonged in the backcourt while many said any school that recruited Looney as a 4 shouldn't bother. Both played the 4 in college.
Coffey and his dad may want him to play the 1. Doesn't mean it will happen.
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Yeah lol I know what your saying.
But in this case it's the wish of Coffey and his dad. They would prefer he plays a lot of point. What people don't get and I kept trying to explain just cuz he's 6'7 like Hauser and Kostas doesn't mean he's a SF type like them. He is versatile and we could basically play him 1-4 but he's mainly a guard and wants to play point.
I want him bad regardless where wojo decides to put him. Just saying that if Pg is truly his stance of wojo is willing to do that...Rowsey really didn't make sense at all.
Hauser, Coffey and Kostas would be such a encore class
Rowsey can play and has played the 2--not an exclusive PG.
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Rowsey can play and has played the 2--not an exclusive PG.
PG is where we have the least depth though. Right now just Carter and Cheatam by default has to be the back up.
SG? We will have Duane logging major minutes. Cheatam, Sacar, some of JJJ
It makes even less sense if the plan is SG.
I think we settled too early.
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Coffey will play the 2/3 in college. Guys that are 6'7" don't play the point in college. Maybe in spurts, on rare occasions, but not regularly.
Let's not forget we were also told Maymon and Looney were guards. Tim Maymon insisted Jeronne belonged in the backcourt while many said any school that recruited Looney as a 4 shouldn't bother. Both played the 4 in college.
Coffey and his dad may want him to play the 1. Doesn't mean it will happen.
Lol those two guys are not even close to similar players to Coffey. He will only go somewhere that lets him handle the ball some.
The question is whether that place let's him play a ton of point or if he agrees to only do it a little.
Idk who the heck though two PF/centers one of whom was almost obese would play point...but that isn't Coffey lol.
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Lol those two guys are not even close to similar players to Coffey. He will only go somewhere that lets him handle the ball some.
The question is whether that place let's him play a ton of point or if he agrees to only do it a little.
Idk who the heck though two PF/centers one of whom was almost obese would play point...but that isn't Coffey lol.
You missed the point of my post. Nowhere did I compare Coffey to those players. The comparison is that what a player and his dad think his position should be and what it will actually be isn't the same.
I can't count how many people said Looney was a 2, that anyone recruiting him as a 4 shouldn't bother. So what happens when he gets to UCLA? He plays the 4 like everyone knew he would. Coffey will be the same. They can hem and haw about wanting him to play the 1, but when he gets to college, he'll be a 2/3, and my sneaking suspicion is that it'll be more 3 than 2.
That's just the reality of being 6'7". Unless you go to Kentucky where they have a bigger roster than NBA teams, guys' positions are determined as much by their size as their skillset.
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I'm using the wait and see approach in regards to Cheatham at the pt. I could def see us using a lineup of Duane, jjj, ellenson brothers, and Luke when carter needs a break or is in foul trouble or something. Duane is definitely capable and we also have sandy who can fill in at the wing as well with tha lineup.
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If Coffey wants to come here, I promise a scholarship will present itself. Rowsey signing here has zero impact on Coffey's recruitment.
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If Coffey wants to come here, I promise a scholarship will present itself. Rowsey signing here has zero impact on Coffey's recruitment.
This. It's not an either or. Wojo and staff has been hot and heavy for Amir. That will not change.
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Actually a pet peeve of mine is that most of these guys coming out of high school say they can play down a position or two. There are probably about 1/3 go guys who think they can play point and they can't. It is so common. When I see he can play 1-4, I take that as he will be a 2 or 3 or maybe a 4. Probably a 3. If the same came from Wojo, and not the players side, I'd give it a lot more value.
I have no idea on Coffey, and maybe he develops into a point or can play the point. But I am always skeptical when I hear from the players side that they can play point when they are not the primary point in high school.
For Haanif, we shall see. Wojo has said he can play some point. I take that at face value at this point, but wouldn't expect him to be a natural point guard or the preferred option.
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If Coffey wants to come here, I promise a scholarship will present itself. Rowsey signing here has zero impact on Coffey's recruitment.
I don't think that HaywardsHeros really thinks that Coffey is less likely to come here because of Rowsey. He just really doesn't like Rowsey as a player and this is another chance to say that signing Rowsey was a mistake.
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I don't think that HaywardsHeros really thinks that Coffey is less likely to come here because of Rowsey. He just really doesn't like Rowsey as a player and this is another chance to say that signing Rowsey was a mistake.
+10
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If Coffey wants to come here, I promise a scholarship will present itself. Rowsey signing here has zero impact on Coffey's recruitment.
That's not what I'm saying though. I know Coffey will get a spot(I mean we still have 1 schollie anyways).
But that means someone currently leaves or we don't get Kostas/Washington. I for one like every player on our roster right now and I'd rather not bank on them leaving.
Also as I've said its the position thing.
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You missed the point of my post. Nowhere did I compare Coffey to those players. The comparison is that what a player and his dad think his position should be and what it will actually be isn't the same.
I can't count how many people said Looney was a 2, that anyone recruiting him as a 4 shouldn't bother. So what happens when he gets to UCLA? He plays the 4 like everyone knew he would. Coffey will be the same. They can hem and haw about wanting him to play the 1, but when he gets to college, he'll be a 2/3, and my sneaking suspicion is that it'll be more 3 than 2.
That's just the reality of being 6'7". Unless you go to Kentucky where they have a bigger roster than NBA teams, guys' positions are determined as much by their size as their skillset.
But Coffey has always been a guard. The other two have not. He knows that his NBA prospects will be contingent on his guard ability. The guy is very clearly a guard. Now maybe he agrees to mostly play the 3 for a school he desires(hopefully us). But what him and his dad "want" is a legit desires. Not some Maymon family delusion.
Also, you can compare the basketball background between the two fathers. I think Coffeys dad knows what he's doing. They have been really good throughout the process.
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If Coffey wants to come here, I promise a scholarship will present itself. Rowsey signing here has zero impact on Coffey's recruitment.
Yep. One has to assume there will be always be a transfer somewhere in the mix.
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When did MU become involved with Coffey? Were we in on him when Bert was here, or was it Wojo? Was Wojo already recruiting him when he was still an assistant at Duke? Does he have a timetable for when he would like to commit by or when he will be making his visits?
Also, when is Washington's visit? Next weekend?
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That's not what I'm saying though. I know Coffey will get a spot(I mean we still have 1 schollie anyways).
But that means someone currently leaves or we don't get Kostas/Washington. I for one like every player on our roster right now and I'd rather not bank on them leaving.
Also as I've said its the position thing.
We can get Coffey and Washington. Someone will leave. They always do. Whether it's Henry 1 and done or a transfer, there will be someone leaving the roster. If we should have learned anything the past 10 years, it's that a scholarship will always open up.
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When did MU become involved with Coffey? Were we in on him when Bert was here, or was it Wojo? Was Wojo already recruiting him when he was still an assistant at Duke? Does he have a timetable for when he would like to commit by or when he will be making his visits?
Also, when is Washington's visit? Next weekend?
Washington's visit is next weekend.
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We can get Coffey and Washington. Someone will leave. They always do. Whether it's Henry 1 and done or a transfer, there will be someone leaving the roster. If we should have learned anything the past 10 years, it's that a scholarship will always open up.
Exactly. Get 'em both.
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When did MU become involved with Coffey? Were we in on him when Bert was here, or was it Wojo? Was Wojo already recruiting him when he was still an assistant at Duke? Does he have a timetable for when he would like to commit by or when he will be making his visits?
Also, when is Washington's visit? Next weekend?
Him and his dad have said that a commitment could come early on but speculation is he may be waiting to see if UNC has a spark in their interest.
Best bet would be in the fall. He may decide he doesn't want to wait any longer and do it this summer but I'm going into it expecting fall.
Highly doubt he waits til the later signing period.
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We can get Coffey and Washington. Someone will leave. They always do. Whether it's Henry 1 and done or a transfer, there will be someone leaving the roster. If we should have learned anything the past 10 years, it's that a scholarship will always open up.
Also Kostas? Hard to let that unreal potential leave your back yard.
And I just don't like banking on anyone leaving. And I know it's hard to know what a college player is thinking but most don't even make sense to leave unless it's Henry(please stay 2).
Luke and Duane and Wally(maybe he quits bball)no chance. JJJ virtually no chance of pulling a Steve. If he stayed this year when everyone was sure he would bolt. Sandy unless he really hates his role I don't see bailing home.
Haanif, Matt and Traci would have to hate it here. Two of them are going to get minutes right off the bat(Traci a ton) and Matt has no current competition for back up/starter when Luke leaves.
Sacar is the obvious candidate. But I'd like to think he expects PT to be hard to come by to start based on who recruited him and his late blossom.
Crazy things happen. But for once I see a roster next year where all have a pretty defined role.
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Also Kostas? Hard to let that unreal potential leave your back yard.
I think the jury is still out on him. Let's see how the summer goes.
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Sounds like Kostas has a long ways to go. Perhaps he does a year of prep school and reclassifies for '17.
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Him and his dad have said that a commitment could come early on but speculation is he may be waiting to see if UNC has a spark in their interest.
Best bet would be in the fall. He may decide he doesn't want to wait any longer and do it this summer but I'm going into it expecting fall.
Highly doubt he waits til the later signing period.
There may be a slight problem in UNC's future that will affect their ability to get top recruits.
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Sounds like Hoiberg to the Bulls is immanent:
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/12978240/chicago-bulls-confident-fred-hoiberg-accept-head-coach-offer (http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/12978240/chicago-bulls-confident-fred-hoiberg-accept-head-coach-offer)
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But Coffey has always been a guard. The other two have not. He knows that his NBA prospects will be contingent on his guard ability. The guy is very clearly a guard. Now maybe he agrees to mostly play the 3 for a school he desires(hopefully us). But what him and his dad "want" is a legit desires. Not some Maymon family delusion.
I'm not trying to compare Coffey's dad to Tim Maymon, but let's be honest, at 6'7" he can play the 2 or 3 and it won't hinder his NBA chances. Jimmy played the 4 and it didn't hurt him. As has been often said, you are who you guard. Coffey will usually be guarding guys playing the 3/4 in college. On our roster, I'd assume he would usually be out there with some combination of Duane, Traci, Cheatham, Anim, Sandy, Rowsey, and Hauser. Coffey will play some guard, but for at least his first two years, barring transfer, that's over 50% of the roster.
If he comes here, it will be primarily as a 3. If that impacts his decision, so be it.
Also Kostas? Hard to let that unreal potential leave your back yard.
And I just don't like banking on anyone leaving. And I know it's hard to know what a college player is thinking but most don't even make sense to leave unless it's Henry(please stay 2).
Luke and Duane and Wally(maybe he quits bball)no chance. JJJ virtually no chance of pulling a Steve. If he stayed this year when everyone was sure he would bolt. Sandy unless he really hates his role I don't see bailing home.
Haanif, Matt and Traci would have to hate it here. Two of them are going to get minutes right off the bat(Traci a ton) and Matt has no current competition for back up/starter when Luke leaves.
Sacar is the obvious candidate. But I'd like to think he expects PT to be hard to come by to start based on who recruited him and his late blossom.
Crazy things happen. But for once I see a roster next year where all have a pretty defined role.
Bottom line, Rowsey is here. Washington visits next weekend. We have one opening for 2016. And 60% of our active 2015-16 roster has never played a competitive minute of basketball for Marquette. There is absolutely no sense speculating on transfers. If Washington fills the last '16 opening, so be it.
If that means we lose Coffey or Kostas, oh well.
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I'm not trying to compare Coffey's dad to Tim Maymon, but let's be honest, at 6'7" he can play the 2 or 3 and it won't hinder his NBA chances. Jimmy played the 4 and it didn't hurt him. As has been often said, you are who you guard. Coffey will usually be guarding guys playing the 3/4 in college. On our roster, I'd assume he would usually be out there with some combination of Duane, Traci, Cheatham, Anim, Sandy, Rowsey, and Hauser. Coffey will play some guard, but for at least his first two years, barring transfer, that's over 50% of the roster.
If he comes here, it will be primarily as a 3. If that impacts his decision, so be it.
Bottom line, Rowsey is here. Washington visits next weekend. We have one opening for 2016. And 60% of our active 2015-16 roster has never played a competitive minute of basketball for Marquette. There is absolutely no sense speculating on transfers. If Washington fills the last '16 opening, so be it.
If that means we lose Coffey or Kostas, oh well.
+1. This isn't fantasy basketball. We're talking about real people here. Be thrilled if Washington commits. And we keep actively recruiting Coffey and Kostas to a lesser extent.
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That's not what I'm saying though. I know Coffey will get a spot(I mean we still have 1 schollie anyways).
But that means someone currently leaves or we don't get Kostas/Washington. I for one like every player on our roster right now and I'd rather not bank on them leaving.
Also as I've said its the position thing.
Don't need to bank on it. It will happen.
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Sounds like Hoiberg to the Bulls is immanent:
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/12978240/chicago-bulls-confident-fred-hoiberg-accept-head-coach-offer (http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/12978240/chicago-bulls-confident-fred-hoiberg-accept-head-coach-offer)
NBC sports update just said Hoiberg is expected to take the Bulls job.
Tim Floyd v2.0?
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NBC sports update just said Hoiberg is expected to take the Bulls job.
Tim Floyd v2.0?
Simply because he coached at ISU? Or do you have something more substantive reason to compare them.
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Simply because he coached at ISU? Or do you have something more substantive reason to compare them.
One other thing they have in common is that they were both good friends with the Bulls GM at the time of their hiring. (assuming Hoiberg gets hired)
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Simply because he coached at ISU? Or do you have something more substantive reason to compare them.
Jerry Krause hired Forman when he hired Tim Floyd. Forman recruited and coached The Mayor at ISU. Forman is a ten on the Squirm-O-Meter. Michael Reinsdorf should have cleared the decks of this dysfunctional crew although I have hope for Fred the in the NBA as he is a players' coach in a players' league. Gar/Pax are on the clock.
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Jerry Krause hired Forman when he hired Tim Floyd. Forman recruited and coached The Mayor at ISU. Forman is a ten on the Squirm-O-Meter. Michael Reinsdorf should have cleared the decks of this dysfunctional crew although I have hope for Fred the in the NBA as he is a players' coach in a players' league. Gar/Pax are on the clock.
I said Tim Floyd 2.0 because most college coaches that jump to the big chair without having any NBA coaching experience do poorly.
Who made the jump from college (with no previous NBA experience) and did well? The list that did not do well is very long (including Floyd, Cal and Pitino)
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I said Tim Floyd 2.0 because most college coaches that jump to the big chair without having any NBA coaching experience do poorly.
Who made the jump from college (with no previous NBA experience) and did well? The list that did not do well is very long (including Floyd, Cal and Pitino)
In the past 20 years, the only college coaches to make the jump to the NBA and make the playoffs are PJ Carlesimo and Brad Stevens.
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In the past 20 years, the only college coaches to make the jump to the NBA and make the playoffs are PJ Carlesimo and Brad Stevens.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/22626163/college-coaches-to-nba-how-theyve-faired-the-past-20-years
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In the past 20 years, the only college coaches to make the jump to the NBA and make the playoffs are PJ Carlesimo and Brad Stevens.
Both of them made the championship game in college before making the jump. Hoiberg has never won the B12 and has one S16 appearance (last year).
Brent has a better resume than Hoiberg. Maybe Brent should call Foreman? JFB can vouch for him.
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Hoiberg has experience playing and working in the front office in the NBA.
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In the past 20 years, the only college coaches to make the jump to the NBA and make the playoffs are PJ Carlesimo and Brad Stevens.
And John Calipari. Made the playoffs once.
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Also, you can compare the basketball background between the two fathers. I think Coffeys dad knows what he's doing. They have been really good throughout the process.
I don't know squat about Maymon's dad, but I knew Richard Coffey when he was at Minny. He was a stud college player and a real good guy.
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I don't know squat about Maymon's dad, but I knew Richard Coffey when he was at Minny. He was a stud college player and a real good guy.
Yeah he's a great guy. He's really doing his research with Amir. Not one of those over bearing parents either. Seems to give his kid advice having been there done that, but ultimately letting Amir choose.
Just telling people what the talk is around town. Amir and his dad are looking for a PG opportunity. They think that is what best suits his game. Size should never matter if you can play it.
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Both of them made the championship game in college before making the jump. Hoiberg has never won the B12 and has one S16 appearance (last year).
Brent has a better resume than Hoiberg. Maybe Brent should call Foreman? JFB can vouch for him.
How many years did Brent play in the NBA? College?
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How many years did Brent play in the NBA? College?
Exactly!! Brent has a better basketball resume than Hoiberg??????Really???? Are there any pro teams offering the Phony one about $5 mill per? No. And the Bulls are pursuing Hoiberg. Hoiberg played at a high level in college and about 7 or 8 years in the pros. He also was a VP with the Timberwolves for a couple years. The Phony One's resume is a stint at MU where by the grace of God he got a couple good runs in the dance.
Saying Brent has a better basketball resume than Hoiberg is like saying that Hillary has a better resume than Carly Fiorina. Hillary is a world class BS'er and Brent is a college basketball BS'er.
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Hoiberg has experience playing and working in the front office in the NBA.
Hoiberg seems to translate well to the NBA. Attacking, up tempo style, though for a team as defensively oriented as Chicago he may need to adjust, or at least have a strong staff.
Recruiting never seemed to suit Hoiberg well. Rather than pounding the high school circuit, he focused on transfers that he knew could contribute. When it came to high school recruits, Abdulmassih & TJO were the ones getting it done.
Some guys are better suited for one level or the other. I really think long term, Hoiberg is a better NBA fit.
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Exactly!! Brent has a better basketball resume than Hoiberg??????Really???? Are there any pro teams offering the Phony one about $5 mill per? No. And the Bulls are pursuing Hoiberg. Hoiberg played at a high level in college and about 7 or 8 years in the pros. He also was a VP with the Timberwolves for a couple years. The Phony One's resume is a stint at MU where by the grace of God he got a couple good runs in the dance.
Saying Brent has a better basketball resume than Hoiberg is like saying that Hillary has a better resume than Carly Fiorina. Hillary is a world class BS'er and Brent is a college basketball BS'er.
Eloquent man, simply eloquent, hey?
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Exactly!! Brent has a better basketball resume than Hoiberg??????Really???? Are there any pro teams offering the Phony one about $5 mill per? No. And the Bulls are pursuing Hoiberg. Hoiberg played at a high level in college and about 7 or 8 years in the pros. He also was a VP with the Timberwolves for a couple years. The Phony One's resume is a stint at MU where by the grace of God he got a couple good runs in the dance.
Saying Brent has a better basketball resume than Hoiberg is like saying that Hillary has a better resume than Carly Fiorina. Hillary is a world class BS'er and Brent is a college basketball BS'er.
I was only referring to Hoiberg's resume as a head college BB coach to Brent resume as a head college BB coach.
Hoiberg never won the B12, Brent won the BE (twice if you consider MU finished second to the now vacated winner Syracuse in another year).
Hoiberg made the S16 once (last year). Brent made the S16, S16 and E8.
What I was trying to say is Hoiberg did nothing special as a college BB coach. He is no different than dozens and dozens of other coaches. It looks like the Bulls are randomly picking a college coach that accomplished nothing special and elevating him to coach a team that thinks it has all the ingredients to win the NBA championship.
How does one become an NBA coach? Show talent promise and potential. Or, suck up to Gar Foreman. Apparently each works just as well.
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I was only referring to Hoiberg's resume as a head college BB coach to Brent resume as a head college BB coach.
Hoiberg never won the B12, Brent won the BE (twice if you consider MU finished second to the now vacated winner Syracuse in another year).
Hoiberg made the S16 once (last year). Brent made the S16, S16 and E8.
What I was trying to say is Hoiberg did nothing special as a college BB coach. He is no different than dozens and dozens of other coaches. It looks like the Bulls are randomly picking a college coach that accomplished nothing special and elevating him to coach a team that thinks it has all the ingredients to win the NBA championship.
How does one become an NBA coach? Show talent promise and potential. Or, suck up to Gar Foreman. Apparently each works just as well.
That is just false. His name has been out there for NBA gigs for a couple years now. This isn't someone who simply "sucked up" to a GM. His NBA experience and background, plus as brew mentions the way his teams play, has made him a coaching prospect for some years now.
Last year Golden State wanted to talk with him, and they weren't the first to do so. (emphasis added)
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/basketball-mens/2014/10/08/fred-hoiberg-iowa-state-nba-golden-state-warriors-coach/16932621/
"The Golden State Warriors confirmed Wednesday what was widely reported, yet unverified, during the summer – that Iowa State coach Fred Hoiberg had informal discussions regarding the NBA team's head coaching position.
Former Hoiberg agent Bob Myers, the Warriors' general manager, confirmed that during a teleconference with reporters on Wednesday.
"I think we got a pretty early indication from Fred that he was happy where he was," Myers said. "We weren't the first team to kind of at least put a phone call in. Mine was much more informal from our side."
Here's an article from 2013 on Hoiberg and the NBA."
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--nba-teams-eye-iowa-state-s-fred-hoiberg-as-potential-head-coach-210700359.html
"Among seven GMs contacted on Sunday, there wasn't a single one who expressed skepticism about Hoiberg's ability to make an immediate leap to an NBA coaching job should he have a desire to do so.
Two GMs who expect to have openings told Yahoo! Sports that they planned to feel out Hoiberg's interest in the NBA once they begin search processes.
After 10 years as an NBA player and four more in the Minnesota Timberwolves' front office, Hoiberg has long been respected professionally and well liked personally within the NBA."
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I was only referring to Hoiberg's resume as a head college BB coach to Brent resume as a head college BB coach.
Hoiberg never won the B12, Brent won the BE (twice if you consider MU finished second to the now vacated winner Syracuse in another year).
Hoiberg made the S16 once (last year). Brent made the S16, S16 and E8.
What I was trying to say is Hoiberg did nothing special as a college BB coach. He is no different than dozens and dozens of other coaches. It looks like the Bulls are randomly picking a college coach that accomplished nothing special and elevating him to coach a team that thinks it has all the ingredients to win the NBA championship.
How does one become an NBA coach? Show talent promise and potential. Or, suck up to Gar Foreman. Apparently each works just as well.
Really?? In a thread about Hoiberg going to the NBA, and "Brent should call Foremen". Yowsa. LMAO.
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All right, I'll say it ... I fear he's going to be a bad hire, just like Tim Floyd.
Apparently it is taking days and days for them to work out his contract. If Hoiberg wanted the job, it would have been worked out this weekend and he would be announced at presser tomorrow.
I hope it falls through and the Bulls go to plan B.
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All right, I'll say it ... I fear he's going to be a bad hire, just like Tim Floyd.
Apparently it is taking days and days for them to work out his contract. If Hoiberg wanted the job, it would have been worked out this weekend and he would be announced at presser tomorrow.
I hope it falls through and the Bulls go to plan B.
Dude stop speculating on things you don't know.
He's been looked at for many jobs not just handed one from his buddy. He met with the Magic this week as well. Golden State and Minny last year. Possibly 1 other.
He doesn't want the job because the contract signing has been announced in a sufficient manner to your liking? Something big like this is almost always waited until the week.
And supposedly the key reason being that he's waiting til early next week when his kids are done with school.
Bulls Plan B was Gentry...gone. Plan C is their current assistant.
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Comparing Buzz and Hoiberg is silly. Honestly, my guess is Buzz is a better college coach and Hoiberg a better pro coach. Think of Hoiberg like a draft prospect. Just because a coach has tons of college success (Pitino, Calipari) doesn't guarantee NBA success, and a lack of college success doesn't prevent NBA success.
Hoiberg has shown he can manage egos and bring players together in the college equivalent of free agency. His style and game translates easily to the next level. The up tempo, attacking nature will appeal to NBA players. Could he flop? Sure, anyone could. But as Sultan noted, there's a reason Golden State, Minnesota, and others have sniffed around The Mayor in the past.
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All right, I'll say it ... I fear he's going to be a bad hire, just like Tim Floyd.
You might be right. I don't really know how good he's going to be. But just say that in the first place.
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I can't ever see Buzz wanting to coach in the NBA. No JUCOs, no graduate managers, and certainly no West Virginia logos to dance on at center court.
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I was only referring to Hoiberg's resume as a head college BB coach to Brent resume as a head college BB coach.
Hoiberg never won the B12, Brent won the BE (twice if you consider MU finished second to the now vacated winner Syracuse in another year).
Hoiberg made the S16 once (last year). Brent made the S16, S16 and E8.
What I was trying to say is Hoiberg did nothing special as a college BB coach. He is no different than dozens and dozens of other coaches. It looks like the Bulls are randomly picking a college coach that accomplished nothing special and elevating him to coach a team that thinks it has all the ingredients to win the NBA championship.
How does one become an NBA coach? Show talent promise and potential. Or, suck up to Gar Foreman. Apparently each works just as well.
I don't think there is any question that Buzz has accomplished more as a college head coach than Hoiberg has. It really isn't all that close, frankly, especially if one uses postseason success as a barometer.
But I still don't think there's anything "random" about the Bulls hiring him. His name has been out there for a couple of years. He was a decent NBA player, including for their team. He worked in NBA front offices. Any intelligent employee -- no matter the profession -- makes connections, builds relationships, etc. Hoiberg no doubt impressed some people in BullyLand, including most likely Reinsdorf and Paxson.
It actually is very easy to see why the Bulls would want to hire him and, again, there is ZERO random about it.
Now, will he be a good NBA coach? That nobody can know until he does it for a couple years.
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Hoiberg's demeanor seems much more Brad Stevens than John Callipari. Offensive system not so much though.
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Eloquent man, simply eloquent, hey?
At 6:30 am, nothing says "Wake up and smell the coffee" like an over the top hate spewing post from the Wee Willie.
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All right, I'll say it ... I fear he's going to be a bad hire, just like Tim Floyd.
Apparently it is taking days and days for them to work out his contract. If Hoiberg wanted the job, it would have been worked out this weekend and he would be announced at presser tomorrow.
I hope it falls through and the Bulls go to plan B.
IMO, it's difficult to evaluate Tim Floyd based on his Bull's experience. People forget that Floyd came on board in Chicago just after the roster was gutted. With the roster he was given, he was coaching the equivalent of an expansion team.
Krause had let the talent go, so he could put together enough cash to offer two maximum contract deals to free agents. Then he wiffed in free agency. The biggest miss was Tracy McGrady. And Floyd was left hanging out to dry.
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I've never understood the Hoiberg hype. Little to no postseason success, always towards the top but never at the top of his conference, relies on other coaches to do his player development for him, and his players in the papers for the wrong reasons on a consistent basis.
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I've never understood the Hoiberg hype. Little to no postseason success, always towards the top but never at the top of his conference, relies on other coaches to do his player development for him, and his players in the papers for the wrong reasons on a consistent basis.
I would counter...it's Iowa State. Not an easy place to win.
But I do think that Hoiberg isn't a slam dunk, for sure success. However he has a strong reputation in NBA circles as an up and coming coach. That doesn't work out for everyone however.
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Hoiberg is a far better coach than Buzz.
No NBA GM is looking at Hoiberg and saying "Well, he got knocked out early in the tournament." It's a crapshoot, like we know. A NBA GM is looking a system, adjustments, culture and tactics.
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Hoiberg is a far better coach than Buzz.
No NBA GM is looking at Hoiberg and saying "Well, he got knocked out early in the tournament." It's a crapshoot, like we know. A NBA GM is looking a system, adjustments, culture and tactics.
are any other gm's looking at him...or just the bulls?
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are any other gm's looking at him...or just the bulls?
Yes, other GM's have looked at him in previous years.
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are any other gm's looking at him...or just the bulls?
Magic this year
At least the Warriors and wolves last year
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Done deal.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25201572/fred-hoiberg-traveling-to-chicago-finalizing-deal-to-coach-bulls (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25201572/fred-hoiberg-traveling-to-chicago-finalizing-deal-to-coach-bulls)
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I think it will be interesting to see the staff he puts together. I think comparisons to Kerr are accurate. Heady former players who have front office experience and excel in player/people management. I don't think he's the guy for a tough rebuilding job or a crappy roster, but I think with a good set up, he'll excel. I think he will be a breath of fresh air in Chicago.
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All right, I'll say it ... I fear he's going to be a bad hire, just like Tim Floyd.
Apparently it is taking days and days for them to work out his contract. If Hoiberg wanted the job, it would have been worked out this weekend and he would be announced at presser tomorrow.
I hope it falls through and the Bulls go to plan B.
Man, this is ridiculous!! What is your criteria to determine a bad hire? Most hires in the NBA are "bad hires". Phil Jackson to the Knicks is a bad hire. Jesus, how many hires have the Bucks had in the last decade. None was a good hire. How have the Lakers hires been going? Thibodeaux was a bad hire for the Bulls considering they canned him and are now eating two years of contract. And the list goes on!