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Title: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on May 16, 2015, 01:55:18 PM
Has interest from Minnesota,Wisconsin,Virginia,Missouri,Marquette,Xavier,Michigan St. and Iowa St.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on May 16, 2015, 02:55:24 PM
http://youtu.be/Cb8GCUQdvr0
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 16, 2015, 05:18:52 PM
He's a magician with the ball and can shoot.  The questions I have are 1. How tall is he? A and, 2.  How's his defense?
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 16, 2015, 07:47:06 PM
Is he Jewish?
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: mr.MUskie on May 16, 2015, 08:33:55 PM
Own a boot?
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 16, 2015, 09:05:34 PM
Is he Jewish?

Does he hang out with some chick named Mrs. Miller?

If he comes to Marquette will they name a residence hall after him?
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 16, 2015, 09:06:48 PM
Has interest from Minnesota,Wisconsin,Virginia,Missouri,Marquette,Xavier,Michigan St. and Iowa St.

Michigan State?  I guess Winston isn't that good.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Freeport Warrior on May 16, 2015, 09:11:59 PM
He's a magician with the ball and can shoot.  The questions I have are 1. How tall is he? A and, 2.  How's his defense?
5' 10". Not good. I know I sound like a broken record and will admit he will probably get a D1 offer, but I cannot see success at that level because I don't know who he could guard. He has as good as handle as I have ever seen.  I found myself watching his game last night hating all but a few of the shots he takes. His domination of the ball makes me feel bad for the rest of his team.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: MU82 on May 16, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Is he Jewish?

Attaboy, 2+2!!
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: We R Final Four on May 17, 2015, 09:17:06 AM
http://youtu.be/Cb8GCUQdvr0

What that video does not show is Henry putting Jordan on his ass after JM put on the dribbling exposition at the expense of HE's teammate. Henry had some choice words for Jordan.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Fred Garvin on May 17, 2015, 05:02:53 PM
Missouri is making strongest push
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Fred Garvin on May 31, 2015, 07:07:45 PM
had quite a good camp in Atlanta this weekend at the super soph. camp.Played in the final game at camp made up of the top 20 kids picked out of the 120 invited.Visiting Misssouri this week,believe he's stopping in at MU on way back home.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 31, 2015, 07:49:56 PM
Super talented guard.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: wadesworld on May 31, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
Super talented guard.

Meh.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: BM1090 on May 31, 2015, 10:25:07 PM
Meh.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Herman Cain on May 31, 2015, 10:45:56 PM
Has ball handling ability  The question is what is the best level for him to have the most success in basketball ? Personally I think he would make a very good contribution at the D3 level.  He needs to show his abilities against stronger more athletic competition to be a bona fide D1 player. Lets see what he looks like in his senior year.

 
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: We R Final Four on June 01, 2015, 07:03:24 AM
Has interest from Minnesota,Wisconsin,Virginia,Missouri,Marquette,Xavier,Michigan St. and Iowa St.

If these schools are showing interest now, and he is playing with some of the top sophs in the country at camps........doesn't sound like D3 to me.

His handle is off the charts.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 01, 2015, 07:44:49 AM
The more I hear about this guy, the more I think Harlem Globetrotters. 
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on June 01, 2015, 09:04:47 AM
The more I hear about this guy, the more I think Harlem Globetrotters. 

Perfect.  I can see it now.  First he pulls down Greg McDermott's pants while he is arguing with the ref, and then he throws a bucket of confetti onto Dickey Simpkins.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: brewcity77 on June 01, 2015, 09:06:26 AM
Perfect.  I can see it now.  First he pulls down Greg McDermott's pants while he is arguing with the ref, and then he throws a bucket of confetti onto Dickey Simpkins.

I was lukewarm on McCabe until I saw this. With these images now ingrained in my mind, my thought is Go Get Him, Wojo!!!
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Nukem2 on June 01, 2015, 09:34:18 AM
Bigger question re McCabe is whether or not he is quick enough to defend at the high major level.  Certainly has a lot of ball handling skills and a decent shot from what I saw of him at the WBY Shootout last December.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: wadesworld on June 01, 2015, 09:35:50 AM
Bigger question re McCabe is whether or not he is quick enough to defend at the high major level.  Certainly has a lot of ball handling skills and a decent shot from what I saw of him at the WBY Shootout last December.

Can he defend and can he play within a system?  As of right now my answer to both of those are a resounding "NO!"
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 01, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Plus McCabe is really old enough to be a HS JR (and an old one at that).  Participating in a sophomore camp is kinda like this...

(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bogleheads.org%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D164888&ei=d2NsVd2xB8SCsAXBNw&bvm=bv.94455598,d.b2w&psig=AFQjCNHk-yVlgWGAsyr_rwp6jCZnIjx2Vw&ust=1433253095668518)

(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gettyimages.co.uk%2Fdetail%2Fnews-photo%2Fthe-foundation-episode-1-pictured-todd-bosley-as-joey-news-photo%2F140950226&ei=Z2NsVf7tEYGQsAWn4oGIBw&bvm=bv.94455598,d.b2w&psig=AFQjCNHk-yVlgWGAsyr_rwp6jCZnIjx2Vw&ust=1433253095668518)

Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Freeport Warrior on June 01, 2015, 11:31:07 AM
I watched McCabe two weeks ago at the Chicago Classic. He had a couple of awful shooting games in the gold bracket, but the competition was very high. The last game, the Playground Warriors were blown out by Indiana Elite -- a complete a$$ whooping. I have not seen a better handle at any level, he is very Harlem Globetrotter-esque. Fun to watch. This Playground Warrior team is his -- meaning he pretty much never comes out and is featured all of the time. He is Ritchie Davis' next big thing, and he hypes/features him accordingly. Even as the Playground Warriors were getting pummeled by 25 late in the game, McCabel never came out and kept shooting. That ball is going up every second time he touches it -- and he touches it a lot. He has not grown at all in the past few years, and since he is significantly older than almost all the kids (it's called 15U, he is 16 and he turns 17 in beginning of Sept.), and his dad is maybe 5' 9"? I think you have close to a finished product minus the additional strength. I would say he is actually 5' 10".

I think everyone has seen his highlight reels would agree he is a talent. But watch full games against teams with good (not elite) defenders like Indiana Elite or even to a lesser extent Wisconsin United (who they played and beat the game before) and you might see a few flaws. He can take whatever shot he wants on this team with no repercussions. Since they don't have any other real guards beside Whitnall's Tyler Herro (I believe they created the roster specifically for McCabe), he can stay in forever and dominate the ball. He will blow everyone away in high school ball and when his AAU team plays the middling teams, he will get tons of highlights. He really struggles when he has a quick and lengthy defender.

Just last weekend, he made the Top 20 game at a Adidas Top 100 Camp. After watching enough of him, I think he will get a mid-major offer because of the talent and hype, but I think success will be limited because of his defense, size and lack of lateral quickness. Definitely do not want him in a MU jersey, but kudos to any kid who puts in the work to get their college paid for.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 01, 2015, 12:19:13 PM
I bet while spinning the ball on one finger, he can switch hands between his legs.

I'll get bullish on his college prospects when he becomes known for being dangerous setting up his teammates.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Freeport Warrior on June 01, 2015, 01:01:02 PM
I bet while spinning the ball on one finger, he can switch hands between his legs.

I'll get bullish on his college prospects when he becomes known for being dangerous setting up his teammates.
He does run a very nice pick and roll with capable bigs. Most of the passes are one-handed or no-look, so they look spectacular. I've seen ball pressure from a longer wing type change that, but again, most of the time he is playing against inferior to highly inferior defenders (in HS and AAU pool play). In AAU, the real proof is on Sundays. Once they hit the final eight/four in brackets, there is nowhere to hide. Everyone on the team knows that McCabe is the focus. They all sign up knowing that. I know four of the other players and their families. While they don't necessarily love that McCabe is the focus, they know he has the hype. They know they will be getting increased exposure because of him. That's why they are on this team.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Fred Garvin on June 01, 2015, 05:00:02 PM
If everybody knows this to be true,why do schools like Missouri,Mich St,Wisconsin and MU have all this contact with him?
Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on more taller,quicker players?Seems like a waste of time to have a kid on campus that you have no intention of signing.Either people are missing something or the coaching staffs are.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: wadesworld on June 01, 2015, 05:31:07 PM
If everybody knows this to be true,why do schools like Missouri,Mich St,Wisconsin and MU have all this contact with him?
Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on more taller,quicker players?Seems like a waste of time to have a kid on campus that you have no intention of signing.Either people are missing something or the coaching staffs are.

A waste of time to let a kid pay to walk around your campus and check it out? He's a freshman. Nobody else can pay for his visits. If he wants to come you don't say hey enjoy walking around the campus by yourself if for no other reason than to keep teammates, AAU coaches, and high school coaches in your good graces. Not to mention he's 3 years from college. He theoretically could shoot up to 7' tall.

Never burn bridges unnecessarily. It takes all of 20 minutes to show a kid around Marquette and it's the off season.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 01, 2015, 05:39:44 PM
If everybody knows this to be true,why do schools like Missouri,Mich St,Wisconsin and MU have all this contact with him?
Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on more taller,quicker players?Seems like a waste of time to have a kid on campus that you have no intention of signing.Either people are missing something or the coaching staffs are.

An entirely valid question which wadesworld answered nicely.  It's early for colleges to spend a lot of time scouting a guy whose in the class of 2018.  It's kind of unsettling to realize that he's going to be a 20 year old before his freshman college season starts.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Sharpie on June 02, 2015, 07:13:41 AM
There's no downside to getting in early on someone in your backyard that was only a freshman this year. He's obviously got some very valuable skills but it will be interesting to see how much he grows and rounds out his game.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 02, 2015, 07:54:06 AM
Gimme Tre Jones instead.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on June 02, 2015, 07:57:02 AM
An entirely valid question which wadesworld answered nicely.  It's early for colleges to spend a lot of time scouting a guy whose in the class of 2018.  It's kind of unsettling to realize that he's going to be a 20 year old before his freshman college season starts.

Wasn't Diener way old for his class too?
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: NWarsh on June 02, 2015, 08:28:52 AM
Wasn't Diener way old for his class too?

Correct, all the Diener boys were "home schooled" their true freshman year and then re-enrolled at Fond Du Lac High School for a 2nd Freshman year.  That did not seem really harm their ability to play at the D1 level.  

McCabe right now is not nearly the shooter that Diener was, but he has better handles and is a better passer.  Both played about the same style of defense when they were Freshman, as in they did not seem that interested in it.  Travis and Drake never passed the ball because their offense was designed to have 3 people setting screens and the two of them would run off them for open looks.  I am not saying that McCabe is as good as Diener, but to dismiss a kid and say he is only a D3 talent after his Freshman year is just ridiculous.  He is a D1 caliber talent and that is why you are seeing some very successful programs already starting to get in on him.  I would welcome him to MU in a heartbeat assuming he continues to develop his game and add some strength.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 02, 2015, 08:48:30 AM
Correct, all the Diener boys were "home schooled" their true freshman year and then re-enrolled at Fond Du Lac High School for a 2nd Freshman year.  That did not seem really harm their ability to play at the D1 level.  

McCabe right now is not nearly the shooter that Diener was, but he has better handles and is a better passer.  Both played about the same style of defense when they were Freshman, as in they did not seem that interested in it.  Travis and Drake never passed the ball because their offense was designed to have 3 people setting screens and the two of them would run off them for open looks.  I am not saying that McCabe is as good as Diener, but to dismiss a kid and say he is only a D3 talent after his Freshman year is just ridiculous.  He is a D1 caliber talent and that is why you are seeing some very successful programs already starting to get in on him.  I would welcome him to MU in a heartbeat assuming he continues to develop his game and add some strength.

I agree McCabe will be a D1 caliber guy, but I don't think that MU (or Mich St) will be there when his recruitment gets serious.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Fred Garvin on June 04, 2015, 04:58:16 PM
Missouri offered today on visit
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: BM1090 on June 04, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
Missouri offered today on visit

Cool for the kid. Congrats to him. But I would rather have him at that MU than our own.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Black Swan on June 04, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
Jordan and Travis are very different. Travis didn't weigh 100lbs until the late summer before his Fresh year at FDL. He was tiny and looked about 10 years old. He was able to start on a state tourney team because he never made a bad decision. At one point he had a 20/1 asst/to ratio. Jordan is much more mature physically and much more of a showman. While Jordan may put a bit more flair in his passes he has nothing on Travis at a similar age. As far as handle goes, Jordan can do it all but I don't know if Travis was ever stripped as a high school player. Also for the guy that said Travis and Drake never passed the ball...he led the FVA in assists and scoring. I am happy for Jordan for the offer but lets see how he evolves. Diener improved every year. I remember telling Jay Bilas after his  Soph year at MU that he would play in the NBA. He laughed at me...I told him he didn't understand his work ethic.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: We R Final Four on June 04, 2015, 07:23:01 PM
Missouri offered today on visit

Mizzou is D1, not D3 right? And some might even consider an actual high major.
JM will have 20+ high major offers before all said and done whether people like him or his game or not.
JM was the catalyst that single handedly beat Henry and Rice Lake.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: wadesworld on June 04, 2015, 07:32:09 PM
Mizzou is D1, not D3 right? And some might even consider an actual high major.
JM will have 20+ high major offers before all said and done whether people like him or his game or not.
JM was the catalyst that almost single handily beat Henry and Rice Lake.

That doesn't take much.  Tosa West beat Rice Lake.  Tosa West was 3-7 in the Woodland Conference.  Rice Lake is literally horrible beyond Hank.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: We R Final Four on June 04, 2015, 07:42:27 PM
Same could be said for Kaukauna.

Point is JM was the one who won that game of two teams that each had one star on it.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: wadesworld on June 04, 2015, 07:47:32 PM
Same could be said for Kaukauna.

Point is JM was the one who won that game of two teams that each had one star on it.

Kaukauna has a ton more capable players beyond McCabe, you just don't see it because only one player touches the ball.  Rice Lake has Hank, who passes it to wide open point and shooting guards, who airball routine 3 pointers.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: We R Final Four on June 04, 2015, 08:28:45 PM
Kaukauna has a ton more capable players beyond McCabe, you just don't see it because only one player touches the ball.  Rice Lake has Hank, who passes it to wide open point and shooting guards, who airball routine 3 pointers.

Agree on Rice Lake. Disagree on Kaukauna.
The 'capable' players were fed lay ups because JM drew double teams or drew the defender when he blew past his defender. The ton more capable players? I guess if by capable you mean let JM draw the double and when he passes the rock to you make your layup, then I'm with you.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: MU82 on June 04, 2015, 10:14:32 PM
I remember telling Jay Bilas after his  Soph year at MU that he would play in the NBA. He laughed at me.

Jay was too tied up in being Josh Gasser's future agent.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: We R Final Four on June 04, 2015, 10:42:27 PM
This made me laugh out loud. Well done.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 05, 2015, 08:43:31 AM
Birthday fun facts:

On Sept 1, 2015 Jordan McCabe will be a 17 yr old HS sophomore.

On Sept 19, 2015 Sacar Anim will be an 18 yr old college freshmen.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: brewcity77 on June 05, 2015, 09:40:59 AM
Birthday fun facts:

On Sept 1, 2015 Jordan McCabe will be a 17 yr old HS sophomore.

On Sept 19, 2015 Sacar Anim will be an 18 yr old college freshmen.

Wow, I knew McCabe was old for his class, but that's crazy. So he'll be 20 as a college freshman. It will be interesting to see how advanced he looks when everyone catches up in terms of physical development.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 05, 2015, 09:52:55 AM
Wow, I knew McCabe was old for his class, but that's crazy. So he'll be 20 as a college freshman. It will be interesting to see how advanced he looks when everyone catches up in terms of physical development.

Exactly.  Which is why I don't put much stock in McCabe making the top 20 game at the sophomore camp.  McCabe would be    old for a HS JR so of course he's going to dominate kids 1-2 years younger.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: We R Final Four on June 05, 2015, 10:03:41 AM
So when he is playing high major D1 ball as a freshmen will you say "yeah, but he's 20 years old"?
When he's starting as a college sophomore will you say "yeah, but he's 21"? And so on.
He is old for his class, we get it--you've mentioned it several times in this thread. We get you don't like him and should take a pass.
There is no asterisk next to his name for how old he is.
 Mizzou has offered and others will soon follow........even though he is old for his class.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: brewcity77 on June 05, 2015, 10:26:02 AM
So when he is playing high major D1 ball as a freshmen will you say "yeah, but he's 20 years old"?
When he's starting as a college sophomore will you say "yeah, but he's 21"? And so on.
He is old for his class, we get it--you've mentioned it several times in this thread. We get you don't like him and should take a pass.
There is no asterisk next to his name for how old he is.
 Mizzou has offered and others will soon follow........even though he is old for his class.

As a 20 year old freshman, he will be playing against mostly 19, 20, and 21 year olds that have years of college conditioning. The age difference will be negated as will the physical disparity. Might he still be a standout? Possibly. But there are factors working against that.

First, right now he's well into puberty while most of the opposition are just starting their growth spurts. Not only is there a bigger physical difference between an average 16 and 14 year old than he'll see as a freshman, but he'll also go from being ahead of the curve physically to bring behind the curve due to everyone else having years of higher level conditioning and training (just look at Cohen's growth thanks to a college training program).

Second, his style of play isn't the type that tends to translate going up levels. McCabe has a great handle and flash, but how often do flashy mixtapes belie kids that don't have the same next level dominance (Juan comes to mind)? As defenses get better, the flash and tricks come up short as players who are more technically sound are more likely to continue being able to display the same skills.

Maybe he'll end up being a great college player. Maybe he'll continue to dominate regardless of age level. But it's definitely a situation where a healthy dose of skepticism is certainly fair.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 05, 2015, 10:35:16 AM
So when he is playing high major D1 ball as a freshmen will you say "yeah, but he's 20 years old"?
When he's starting as a college sophomore will you say "yeah, but he's 21"? And so on.
He is old for his class, we get it--you've mentioned it several times in this thread. We get you don't like him and should take a pass.
There is no asterisk next to his name for how old he is.
 Mizzou has offered and others will soon follow........even though he is old for his class.

I just question his upside.  Is he done growing at 5-10?  Does he shoot up to 6-2?  Will his game translate to the college level against bigger and better athletes?  Will he fit into a college system that isn't centered around him being the star like HS and AAU seem to be?

McCabe will definitely get a D-1 scholarship somewhere. Time will tell what kind of career he has.  I just sense an early bloomer in this case.  I could be wrong but that is my opinion.  I think I've made my point about the age thing so I'll stop hammering away at it.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 05, 2015, 10:36:59 AM
As a 20 year old freshman, he will be playing against mostly 19, 20, and 21 year olds that have years of college conditioning. The age difference will be negated as will the physical disparity. Might he still be a standout? Possibly. But there are factors working against that.

First, right now he's well into puberty while most of the opposition are just starting their growth spurts. Not only is there a bigger physical difference between an average 16 and 14 year old than he'll see as a freshman, but he'll also go from being ahead of the curve physically to bring behind the curve due to everyone else having years of higher level conditioning and training (just look at Cohen's growth thanks to a college training program).

Second, his style of play isn't the type that tends to translate going up levels. McCabe has a great handle and flash, but how often do flashy mixtapes belie kids that don't have the same next level dominance (Juan comes to mind)? As defenses get better, the flash and tricks come up short as players who are more technically sound are more likely to continue being able to display the same skills.

Maybe he'll end up being a great college player. Maybe he'll continue to dominate regardless of age level. But it's definitely a situation where a healthy dose of skepticism is certainly fair.

I agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: We R Final Four on June 05, 2015, 11:05:51 AM
Agree--I for one don't think he will be a star at the next level. But,  if he goes to a place that allows him to have the ball in his hands a lot of the time he certainly will be able to show what he has.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: NWarsh on June 05, 2015, 12:25:55 PM
Jordan and Travis are very different. Travis didn't weigh 100lbs until the late summer before his Fresh year at FDL. He was tiny and looked about 10 years old. He was able to start on a state tourney team because he never made a bad decision. At one point he had a 20/1 asst/to ratio. Jordan is much more mature physically and much more of a showman. While Jordan may put a bit more flair in his passes he has nothing on Travis at a similar age. As far as handle goes, Jordan can do it all but I don't know if Travis was ever stripped as a high school player. Also for the guy that said Travis and Drake never passed the ball...he led the FVA in assists and scoring. I am happy for Jordan for the offer but lets see how he evolves. Diener improved every year. I remember telling Jay Bilas after his  Soph year at MU that he would play in the NBA. He laughed at me...I told him he didn't understand his work ethic.

I am not familiar with Travis's assist to TO ratio and cannot find any stats to validate, but I know for a fact he did not go his whole HS career without ever being stripped.  Looking back at his numbers he did lead the FVA in scoring and assists his senior year, but to say Jordan has nothing on Travis at a similar age is just flat out wrong.  Travis as a Junior averaged 19 points and 5 assists (with another D1 player playing next to him).  Jordan as a Freshman averaged 15 and 5 with no other D1 prospects on the roster.  Travis is clearly the better overall player and I am not debating that at all, but it is not as far off as some are making it seem and while Jordan has flash to his game when you watch a regular season game of his he makes all the right reads and decisions.  That does translate to the next level. Travis worked his butt off, I agree and that definitely came through with his continuous improvement and nice professional career.  Jordan also is a gym rat and spends all the time he can in the gym, so I expect you will see continuous improvement as well.  I agree he probably does not have the size to be a superstar in college, but he will be a very good starter on a D1 team.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Fred Garvin on June 05, 2015, 01:58:27 PM
Who would have a better staff in the country to evaluate him.Travis,Wojo,and coach Nelson have my voet.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 05, 2015, 02:47:21 PM
I am not familiar with Travis's assist to TO ratio and cannot find any stats to validate, but I know for a fact he did not go his whole HS career without ever being stripped.  Looking back at his numbers he did lead the FVA in scoring and assists his senior year, but to say Jordan has nothing on Travis at a similar age is just flat out wrong.  Travis as a Junior averaged 19 points and 5 assists (with another D1 player playing next to him).  Jordan as a Freshman averaged 15 and 5 with no other D1 prospects on the roster.  Travis is clearly the better overall player and I am not debating that at all, but it is not as far off as some are making it seem and while Jordan has flash to his game when you watch a regular season game of his he makes all the right reads and decisions.  That does translate to the next level. Travis worked his butt off, I agree and that definitely came through with his continuous improvement and nice professional career.  Jordan also is a gym rat and spends all the time he can in the gym, so I expect you will see continuous improvement as well.  I agree he probably does not have the size to be a superstar in college, but he will be a very good starter on a D1 team.

Oops!  He's the same height as MU's newest player, Andrew Rowsey.  

I'm not really concerned with his height.  What concerns me is the remarks from others who have seen him that he lacks quickness, particularly lateral quickness.  The consensus is that he is a savant when it comes to handling the ball.  Developing one skill to that extent isn't enough to make it in college ball.  Others have said that he possess great passing skills as well.  that combined with the ball handling gets him into a Division I program somewhere.

A lack of quickness could negate his ball handling if he can't use it to his advantage to drive to a spot ahead of the defense.  Can he defend?  Can he get his shot off over defenders, or won't he be quick enough?  Can he succeed playing within an offense that isn't designed around taking maximum advantage of his skills?  

Then again Murphieus (sp?) used to say that Travis lacked the strength be able to get his shot off.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 05, 2015, 02:48:46 PM
Who would have a better staff in the country to evaluate him.Travis,Wojo,and coach Nelson have my voet.

Have they offered?
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Fred Garvin on June 05, 2015, 03:13:39 PM
Too early only been to campus and met with coaches a few times.Probably been to Wisc. A few more times.Its close,and Dad went to MU for a while,so their familiar with MU
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: brewcity77 on June 05, 2015, 03:40:52 PM
I'm not really concerned with his height.  What concerns me is the remarks from others who have seen him that he lacks quickness, particularly lateral quickness.  The consensus is that he is a savant when it comes to handling the ball.  Developing one skill to that extent isn't enough to make it in college ball.  Others have said that he possess great passing skills as well.  that combined with the ball handling gets him into a Division I program somewhere.

A lack of quickness could negate his ball handling if he can't use it to his advantage to drive to a spot ahead of the defense.  Can he defend?  Can he get his shot off over defenders, or won't he be quick enough?  Can he succeed playing within an offense that isn't designed around taking maximum advantage of his skills?

Ding ding ding!

Here's another concern with McCabe. He may have some D1 skills, but when you are talking about flashy, highlight reel type guys whose skills translate, it's the guys that are athletically at another level. The ones that are so quick, so strong, and so physically gifted (not just more mature) that they overwhelm everyone with talent.

If McCabe had the athleticism to match his handle, he'd be a top-25 guy. But without that athleticism, I worry that his handle will simply not be enough to make him a true standout D1 player.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: brandx on June 05, 2015, 04:22:55 PM
Any old-timers here that can make a comparison to Ernie Digregorio? Ernie was about 5'11", an unbelievable ball handler & passer, slow, but very quick hands.

He was a great college player, so maybe a poor man's Ernie D? At least the same style of player?
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Herman Cain on June 05, 2015, 04:46:51 PM
Ding ding ding!

Here's another concern with McCabe. He may have some D1 skills, but when you are talking about flashy, highlight reel type guys whose skills translate, it's the guys that are athletically at another level. The ones that are so quick, so strong, and so physically gifted (not just more mature) that they overwhelm everyone with talent.

If McCabe had the athleticism to match his handle, he'd be a top-25 guy. But without that athleticism, I worry that his handle will simply not be enough to make him a true standout D1 player.
I agree with this and your previous post on this. A D1 athlete ,no matter what the sport ,has athletic qualities that set them apart from others.

That is why I still think McCabes best course of action is to use his basketball to get into a very good D3 school. I know he has supposedly gotten a D1 offer from Missouri and may get others D1 offers  as certain coaches may speculate that in four years he will become stronger and could in fact become a modern day Ernie Digregorio. If he were 14 I would agree but he is 17 and that is why I am skeptical.



Everything in my experience tells me his skills combined with athletic ability will not easily translate into success at the High Major and Mid Major level and he will ride pine. One possibility is he may be able to go the route that Jake did and play at a school like South Dakota State( or Andrew Rousey) for a few years and then if a proven success and transfer.  

At the end of the day I still say lets see where he is at in his senior year. Riley LaChance was a bigger and more athletic and did develop into a very good player in his first year at Vanderbilt. If that is the player that McCabe can develop into ,then it will be a different story.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Fred Garvin on June 18, 2015, 10:25:44 PM
Offers today from Depaul and yesterday from UWGB and UW Milw. And he was on campus in Monday night
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Sharpie on June 19, 2015, 09:00:49 AM
He also has a mizzou offer.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on June 19, 2015, 09:47:27 AM
I watched McCabe two weeks ago at the Chicago Classic. He had a couple of awful shooting games in the gold bracket, but the competition was very high. The last game, the Playground Warriors were blown out by Indiana Elite -- a complete a$$ whooping. I have not seen a better handle at any level, he is very Harlem Globetrotter-esque. Fun to watch. This Playground Warrior team is his -- meaning he pretty much never comes out and is featured all of the time. He is Ritchie Davis' next big thing, and he hypes/features him accordingly. Even as the Playground Warriors were getting pummeled by 25 late in the game, McCabel never came out and kept shooting. That ball is going up every second time he touches it -- and he touches it a lot. He has not grown at all in the past few years, and since he is significantly older than almost all the kids (it's called 15U, he is 16 and he turns 17 in beginning of Sept.), and his dad is maybe 5' 9"? I think you have close to a finished product minus the additional strength. I would say he is actually 5' 10".

I think everyone has seen his highlight reels would agree he is a talent. But watch full games against teams with good (not elite) defenders like Indiana Elite or even to a lesser extent Wisconsin United (who they played and beat the game before) and you might see a few flaws. He can take whatever shot he wants on this team with no repercussions. Since they don't have any other real guards beside Whitnall's Tyler Herro (I believe they created the roster specifically for McCabe), he can stay in forever and dominate the ball. He will blow everyone away in high school ball and when his AAU team plays the middling teams, he will get tons of highlights. He really struggles when he has a quick and lengthy defender.

Just last weekend, he made the Top 20 game at a Adidas Top 100 Camp. After watching enough of him, I think he will get a mid-major offer because of the talent and hype, but I think success will be limited because of his defense, size and lack of lateral quickness. Definitely do not want him in a MU jersey, but kudos to any kid who puts in the work to get their college paid for.

Great write-up, thank you for sharing your knowledge Freeport.
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: 77ncaachamps on June 19, 2015, 11:25:05 PM
Preferred Walk-On status!
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 21, 2015, 07:42:49 AM
Preferred Walk-On status!

I'd be shocked if that would do it. 
Title: Re: Jordan McCabe
Post by: Fred Garvin on June 21, 2015, 01:27:06 PM
Depaul pushing hard,another visit soon