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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: rocket surgeon on April 23, 2015, 06:47:12 PM
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greg hardy got beach slapped by the nfl- hard and rightly so. but what about women? shouldn't there be punishment for say, women who beat up there, umm, wife/husbands/partners?? let's call it the war of women? i am waiting for the wnba to issue their version of a reprimand. but should all those fans who have her jersey burn 'em up? protests? yeah right-wait for it......nothing to see here-move along
https://www.autostraddle.com/glory-johnson-and-brittney-griner-arrested-charged-with-assault-and-disorderly-conduct-287408/
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It is interesting, but I suspect you will see very little come out of this. What if Michael Sam was in the league and this happened with his partner? What would have happened?
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Since the Griner story was the lead story on Yahoo a few minutes ago, I doubt this will be swept under the rug. Bringing up Michael Sam and a fictional hypothetical is just another straw man for you to demagogue.
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This is a top story on Yahoo!, ESPN.com, and Sportscenter, (plus, probably every other sports-related outlet). There have been official statements released by both her team and the league. I'm sure punishments are coming. What, exactly, are you angry about?
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This is a top story on Yahoo!, ESPN.com, and Sportscenter, (plus, probably every other sports-related outlet). There have been official statements released by both her team and the league. I'm sure punishments are coming. What, exactly, are you angry about?
Cuz.... you know... WOMEN!!!
They get away with everything just like the Blacks.
White people are the only ones who have it hard anymore.
And... Obama
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Cuz.... you know... WOMEN!!!
They get away with everything just like the Blacks.
White people are the only ones who have it hard anymore.
And... Obama
Everyone in this country has it better than they would have it in any other place in the world.
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Everyone in this country has it better than they would have it in any other place in the world.
For the most part, you are correct. Although a lot of people in Europe wouldn't trade where they live for anything.
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Since the Griner story was the lead story on Yahoo a few minutes ago, I doubt this will be swept under the rug. Bringing up Michael Sam and a fictional hypothetical is just another straw man for you to demagogue.
Not at all. It's an interesting thing to ponder. What would happen? Feel free to debate it, but don't pretend it is anything else when it isn't. Domestic abuse is usually assumed to be man and woman, but it shouldn't be. Right? Why isn't it a fair question to ask? Because it could never happen? Because it hasn't happened in the limelight yet? Thus it is a strawman? Come on, you can do better than that.
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Everyone in this country has it better than they would have it in any other place in the world.
Cool....thanks for quoting brandx. I see he played the race card....again...again...again...again...again..again. Just can't help himself. His go to in every argument. Sad.
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Back to the question, which had no racial question or overtones at all (until Brandx had to introduce it again and again and again....can't avoid racism at every turn with this guy), I'm curious to see what kind of punishment she gets, if any. I suspect because of the potential double standard, she will get punished in some sense. Good.
Have we heard a statement yet from the NOW?
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This is a top story on Yahoo!, ESPN.com, and Sportscenter, (plus, probably every other sports-related outlet). There have been official statements released by both her team and the league. I'm sure punishments are coming. What, exactly, are you angry about?
oh, it was a story alright. yes, i saw it on many news sites. it's not being ignored by any means. just saying, i doubt there will be any consequences, that's all. no anger, just amazed(always) at the double standard. i guess a video would have helped, but i doubt we will see the outrage and protesting at wnba games as we did for nfl. it's not a big enough forum for the faux protesters to bring their "other" agendas to. ya'll seen it, protest against fill-in-the-blank, and every nutcase in the world comes out to scream about their "outrage" du jour. it's just that the bar keeps getting re-set for different groups. for the professional agitators-this one isn't as good for business as say, nfl, white cop shootings, american sniper showings, ann coulter speeches, etc...
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Wait... Griner is a woman??
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greg hardy got beach slapped by the nfl- hard and rightly so. but what about women? shouldn't there be punishment for say, women who beat up there, umm, wife/husbands/partners?? let's call it the war of women? i am waiting for the wnba to issue their version of a reprimand. but should all those fans who have her jersey burn 'em up? protests? yeah right-wait for it......nothing to see here-move along
https://www.autostraddle.com/glory-johnson-and-brittney-griner-arrested-charged-with-assault-and-disorderly-conduct-287408/
Yes I know. It is so easy to be a woman in this world and so difficult to be a guy.
Good thing Chicos chimed in so you won't be alone as victims.
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Yes I know. It is so easy to be a woman in this world and so difficult to be a guy.
Good thing Chicos chimed in so you won't be alone as victims.
It's so difficult to be a woman in this country, the one we are talking about. Not surprised with your comment....could have written it for you before you posted.
Nothing to do with victimhood, but your go to card like brand's race card.
Ever think he's 100% for equal rights and equal treatment? Is that too hard to process?
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Yes I know. It is so easy to be a woman in this world and so difficult to be a guy.
Good thing Chicos chimed in so you won't be alone as victims.
NM
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Everybody loves a cat fight. That's why its news. It would be the same if it was Michael Sam and his Lilliputian boyfriend.
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Wow, what reported would use the word "queer"?
But on the subject, they both end up suspended for a few games, in anger management, and have a "Come to Jesus" puppet show.
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Wow, what reported would use the word "queer"?
But on the subject, they both end up suspended for a few games, in anger management, and have a "Come to Jesus" puppet show.
nice, and don't forget the anger management classes, community service, kiss and make-up and a complimentary jello fight for the encore ;D
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For having me on Ignore, Chicos sure is obsessed with me. Get a mention from him almost every day.
Of course I am a great looking man, so maybe that's got something to do with it.
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oh, it was a story alright. yes, i saw it on many news sites. it's not being ignored by any means. just saying, i doubt there will be any consequences, that's all. no anger, just amazed(always) at the double standard. i guess a video would have helped, but i doubt we will see the outrage and protesting at wnba games as we did for nfl. it's not a big enough forum for the faux protesters to bring their "other" agendas to. ya'll seen it, protest against fill-in-the-blank, and every nutcase in the world comes out to scream about their "outrage" du jour. it's just that the bar keeps getting re-set for different groups. for the professional agitators-this one isn't as good for business as say, nfl, white cop shootings, american sniper showings, ann coulter speeches, etc...
What do you want to see happen here? I'm having a really hard time understanding the point you're trying to make. Do you really feel that men are the victims of an unfair double standard in domestic violence?
And what do white cops, American Sniper, and Ann Coulter have anything to do with this?
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For having me on Ignore, Chicos sure is obsessed with me. Get a mention from him almost every day.
Of course I am a great looking man, so maybe that's got something to do with it.
And gosh darn it...people like you! :)
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What do you want to see happen here? I'm having a really hard time understanding the point you're trying to make. Do you really feel that men are the victims of an unfair double standard in domestic violence?
And what do white cops, American Sniper, and Ann Coulter have anything to do with this?
It's a knee jerk gotcha reaction. It's a desire to hoist the left by the same petard that the left hoists the right with.
To be fair, if women athlete perpetrate domestic violence they should be treated exactly as men who do that.....but we don't know yet if they will so we're pre-loading the gun so to speak here.
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To be fair, if women athlete perpetrate domestic violence they should be treated exactly as men who do that.....but we don't know yet if they will so we're pre-loading the gun so to speak here.
At first I thought it was a sincere attempt to discuss same-sex domestic violence, which is probably the appropriate discourse on this story, but then it just unraveled into full blown white male paranoia.
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It's a knee jerk gotcha reaction. It's a desire to hoist the left by the same petard that the left hoists the right with.
To be fair, if women athlete perpetrate domestic violence they should be treated exactly as men who do that.....but we don't know yet if they will so we're pre-loading the gun so to speak here.
Exactly. We all get our talking points in, but maybe we should wait to see what happens.
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greg hardy got beach slapped by the nfl- hard and rightly so. but what about women? shouldn't there be punishment for say, women who beat up there, umm, wife/husbands/partners?? let's call it the war of women? i am waiting for the wnba to issue their version of a reprimand. but should all those fans who have her jersey burn 'em up? protests? yeah right-wait for it......nothing to see here-move along
https://www.autostraddle.com/glory-johnson-and-brittney-griner-arrested-charged-with-assault-and-disorderly-conduct-287408/
You get upset at people who jump to conclusions when it comes to things like police shootings. You claim they should wait for the full evidence to come out and a final decision be made before jumping to conclusions. Yet, that's the exact same thing you're doing here. Why not wait until either there is a punishment or there isn't, and then make a statement?
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Ever think he's 100% for equal rights and equal treatment? Is that too hard to process?
Legally they should be treated the same.
But as for being reported by the media, they are completely different and should be treated as such.
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Legally they should be treated the same.
But as for being reported by the media, they are completely different and should be treated as such.
Not sure I track that these are different stories that the media should be covering them differently. Could you expand on that?
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At first I thought it was a sincere attempt to discuss same-sex domestic violence, which is probably the appropriate discourse on this story, but then it just unraveled into full blown white male paranoia.
Why is is paranoia, be it from a male, white or Asian or whatever? Why can't it simply be about equal treatment? Is that asking too much?
Social justice!!
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How is it not equal treatment? The treatment by the law enforcement has been equal. The coverage by the mainstream media has been somewhat enhanced. The only ones here trying to make it something more are you and the rocketman.
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It's a knee jerk gotcha reaction. It's a desire to hoist the left by the same petard that the left hoists the right with.
To be fair, if women athlete perpetrate domestic violence they should be treated exactly as men who do that.....but we don't know yet if they will so we're pre-loading the gun so to speak here.
yes to mu03eng, except for the "knee jerk reaction" part. but i'm glad you asked lazer. to make a short story long...WARNING-it is not the authors intent to politicize here on the superbar, but in order to illustrate his point, he may wander onto that side situationally only-he apologizes to anyone who is offended
yes, i tend to be a little provocative at times, as most of us here are, but all i'm trying to do with this topic is point out the differences between how the liberal media covers topics that they hold "near and dear" compared to all the others. as we are all human, we all have biases. for some journalists, they can become agendas. well, journalists are supposed to be taught, "journalistic integrity" or professionalism. in the health field it's called, standards of care. i'm talking about "main stream media"(nbc, cbs, abc, msnbc, cnn, fox) including most main stream newspapers(ny times, milw. journal, la times, chicago tribune, usa today, etc.) as opposed to media matters, breitbart, etc. in other words, the people who should or purport to have a professional vested interest in what is in OUR best interest.
ok, ya still with me? now, being the analytical person i am, put this story side by side with say the fill-in-the-blank, guy on girl, guy on guy, guy on animal, girl on animal, guy on girl animal... story-wait, now i'm not comparing the violence between these, a guy should never hit a girl, animal or whatever, and vice versa, video or no video, etc. just the story at face value-they are all WRONG. no one should hit anyone, but just the story. there is a big imbalance in coverage. yes? if no-you being dishonest. it's a bigger story when big, mean football player, but not a small, meek, woman and, oh shoot, now the NOW people are pissed and we just opened another can-o-worms, but i digress. everyone gets offended by something, but i digress again- sorry
now please follow me here. when the media has a bias, they will cover some stories for the story's sake, but bury it on page 15, below the fold, next to the obituaries. other stories get 2 inch bold black headlines and then follow-up stories for days if not longer. some stories may contain inaccuracies, but don't get corrected for a week and those corrections are also buried deep into the paper somewhere. also, juxtapose the tones, adjectives, etc. used in stories on the more polarizing issues. ok, now my intentions were not to make this a political topic, as then i realize it belongs on the political thread. so, sorry about the political undertones. but in order to try to make my point, i might have to dip my toe into a little politics here, but it's just to make my point-an excellent example is when the media covered the different people announcing their candidacy's for president-you could see and hear the pom-pons being used for one side and a more glib, joyless, and dismal report for the other. compare pictures of people used in their stories of people they like and then otherwise. one, smiling, holding a baby...another speaking mid-sentence looking as if someone just shoved a baseball bat up their back-sides. look at the number of stories run on a subject or topic from one network compared to others. look at the same talking points being used from one network to another-listen to a montage sometime of cbs, nbc, abc, cnn, etc. it's almost as if they were all in the same meeting together, or the black helicopter theory- as if they were getting their talking points from the white house(gasp).
ok, color me cynical, victim, over-reacting, whatever...that is kind of of where i was going with this topic. sometimes i try to do it tongue-in-cheek, to lighten the tone, to have some fun, but yet, i realize i am also being biased and probably with my own agenda, but i'm not a journalist. my intentions are not to offend as this board is about a civil exchange of ideas, without malice-i submit to ya'll the rest of my story
haven't seen any demonstrations at the seattle reign fc's games yet once again, for those of you from rio linda, that's hope solo's soccer team, google it, except add domestic violence. good day!
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On two separate alarms this past week, I ran on domestic assaults. One, the husband beat the crap out of the wife. One, the wife thought the husband was cheating, hit him in the head with a cutting board and then went after him with a knife, though she did not inflict much damage. Neither one made the paper. Charges will probably never be filed or will be dropped after they are. So, when I see a famous person, of any color, gender, orientation get gigged for a domestic assault, I chalk it up to the human condition and moments of weakness/passion/anger. Yes, there are some true a$$holes out there, of any color/gender/orientation. But I don't start judging until I see a pattern. So, for me, I hope Ms. Griner and her partner can work this out. If they can't, I hope they can move on amicably. But I will not cast stones. Sometimes, being in the public eye can suck. Who would want their character flaws and weakest moments to be front page news?
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Not sure I track that these are different stories that the media should be covering them differently. Could you expand on that?
Sure.
Women are by and large the weaker sex and continues to be treated very poorly in many parts of the world. Even in the United States, where we make large attempts to treat genders equally, we still have a problem with men using physical violence against women. When we have celebrities who engage in that behavior, its a story.
Now when two same sex individuals engage in that behavior, it simply isn't the same story. It is roughly like two guys getting in a bar fight.
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To clarify a point, as soon as it happens a second time, my patient and tolerance and forgiveness disappear.
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Sure.
Women are by and large the weaker sex and continues to be treated very poorly in many parts of the world. Even in the United States, where we make large attempts to treat genders equally, we still have a problem with men using physical violence against women. When we have celebrities who engage in that behavior, its a story.
Now when two same sex individuals engage in that behavior, it simply isn't the same story. It is roughly like two guys getting in a bar fight.
Except that it's not two strangers in a bar getting into a fight. We're talking about domestic partnership, civil unions, marriage partners....that's also what makes it different. Tower is right that it can suck being in the public eye, but that has been the case for a long time. Good with the bad. Plenty of people in the public eye avoid beating their spouse \ partners up.
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Sure.
Women are by and large the weaker sex and continues to be treated very poorly in many parts of the world. Even in the United States, where we make large attempts to treat genders equally, we still have a problem with men using physical violence against women. When we have celebrities who engage in that behavior, its a story.
Now when two same sex individuals engage in that behavior, it simply isn't the same story. It is roughly like two guys getting in a bar fight.
Here is where I disagree with your assessment and part of the argument for the need to change the arc on these types of stories. Domestic violence is about violence perpetrated by one party against another regardless of gender type. There are men that suffer domestic violence at the hand of women. Gender really shouldn't be apart of domestic violence, because it doesn't really have anything to do with gender, it has to do with one partner physically or emotionally damaging another partner in their own home.
You are right, far more men abuse women then vice versa but as long as we treat the situation unequally we won't reach a successful outcome IMO
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/wnbas-griner-johnson-married-phoenix-ceremony-174224521--spt.html
Apparently, they worked it out. .....and they all lived happily ever after. Which leads to one of my favorite inappropriate jokes. How do you stop gay people from having sex? Let them get married.
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They both got 7 game suspensions in the WNBA, which is rough equivalent of 3-4 NFL games. I'm sure they'll appeal it down a bit and that will be that.
FWIW, I'm probably ethically wrong but personally I agree with those who think there is a big difference between two similar athletes fighting and a strong professional athlete physically fighting with his wife and that any punishment should be disproportionately larger for the latter.
http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/12892398/phoenix-mercury-brittney-griner-tulsa-shock-glory-johnson-suspended-seven-games-domestic-incident
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They both got 7 game suspensions in the WNBA, which is rough equivalent of 3-4 NFL games. I'm sure they'll appeal it down a bit and that will be that.
FWIW, I'm probably ethically wrong but personally I agree with those who think there is a big difference between two similar athletes fighting and a strong professional athlete physically fighting with his wife and that any punishment should be disproportionately larger for the latter.
http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/12892398/phoenix-mercury-brittney-griner-tulsa-shock-glory-johnson-suspended-seven-games-domestic-incident
So are you also supportive of less charges for a wife who is 5'2" physically harming her 6'3" husband? Maybe she just cuts him a little with a knife, but he's big enough and she's so small. (not trying to be glib, just illustrative)
Abuse is abuse, and IMHO the more we obfuscate and put conditions around what it is and who can or can't commit it the more we allow it to happen. I think we have to have zero tolerance regardless of whom is perpetrating it on whom.
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So are you also supportive of less charges for a wife who is 5'2" physically harming her 6'3" husband? Maybe she just cuts him a little with a knife, but he's big enough and she's so small. (not trying to be glib, just illustrative)
Abuse is abuse, and IMHO the more we obfuscate and put conditions around what it is and who can or can't commit it the more we allow it to happen. I think we have to have zero tolerance regardless of whom is perpetrating it on whom.
No, I'm saying that this particular fight between two roughly equivalent partners is not as bad a someone like Ray Rice cold-cocking his wife and that the latter should be dealt with much more severely. A fist fight betweens equals doesn't even qualify as abuse to me. Every situation is different and I don't think a one-size fits all rule is the right answer. I understand the expedient necessity of hard and fast laws, but often things that are superficially the same are not really the same.
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Ray McDonald arrested again on domestic violence charges. No way the Bears could have seen this one coming.
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Ray McDonald arrested again on domestic violence charges. No way the Bears could have seen this one coming.
his $1.05 million was not guaranteed-smartest move the bears have made since they drafted gayle sayers-heynie?
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Hope Solo.....so many great role models these days
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/12976615/detailed-look-hope-solo-domestic-violence-case-includes-reports-being-belligerent-jail
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greg hardy got beach slapped by the nfl- hard and rightly so. but what about women? shouldn't there be punishment for say, women who beat up there, umm, wife/husbands/partners?? let's call it the war of women? i am waiting for the wnba to issue their version of a reprimand. but should all those fans who have her jersey burn 'em up? protests? yeah right-wait for it......nothing to see here-move along
https://www.autostraddle.com/glory-johnson-and-brittney-griner-arrested-charged-with-assault-and-disorderly-conduct-287408/
Now the pregnancy, and the annulment.
http://deadspin.com/brittney-griner-files-annulment-papers-day-after-wife-a-1709523775
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not only cheating on her, but lubed up by the enemy nonetheless :-[