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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: AverageJoe on April 23, 2015, 08:41:57 AM
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http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4719094/as-end-nears-for-rondo-in-dallas-crowder-is-embraced-in-boston
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As much as I like Jae and as obnoxious as I typically find the Boston fanbase, he was destined to be a fan favorite in that city. Then again, given his style of play, he was probably destined to be a fan favorite any place that gave him significant minutes. The kid is a warrior.
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I kept looking in the article for some background on Crowder, e.g. where he went to college, things like that. Nothing. It's like he manifested from the fog one day in Boston and led them to the playoffs.
*Damn ESPN and their anti-Big East bias that bathes Myron Medcalf.*
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I truly think Jae plays the game harder than anyone else I've ever watched. Every single play he gives every possible ounce of effort, and that has helped him overcome often being undersized and maybe not quite as talented as the guys on the floor around him.
He had so many memorable performances in his two years, but one that always sticks out for me was at West Virginia. WVU fans were hailing Kevin Jones as the greatest player in the league and felt the BEPOY was wrapped up by early January. Seemed like half our team (Mayo, DJO, Cadougan, Blue) was suspended for half of that game. But Jae was freaking everywhere. Played all 40 minutes, led all scorers, got rebounds, loose balls, made steals and blocks, he was a madman. Everyone remembers that game for Buzz's dance, but Jae stamped his name on the BEPOY award that night, despite not being the biggest, fastest, most athletic player in the league. It was his sheer force of will that made him the best.
I don't think he'll ever reach that level in the NBA, but I love seeing him carve out a niche. I also know there was plenty of behind the scenes disapproval that came with Jae even attending Marquette. But man, would I love to have him associated with the program whenever his professional career comes to an end. If his drive to succeed after basketball is close to the drive that got him this far, he'll be very, very good at whatever he chooses to do.
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As much as I like Jae and as obnoxious as I typically find the Boston fanbase, he was destined to be a fan favorite in that city. Then again, given his style of play, he was probably destined to be a fan favorite any place that gave him significant minutes. The kid is a warrior.
I love seeing Jimmy Wes and Jae being huge fan favorites. We'll likely never have anyone who brings as much emotion to us and a city as Wade does (maybe if Henry stays two years? And becomes a super star?) but these guys really have literally put us on the map coast to coast.
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I don't think he'll ever reach that level in the NBA, but I love seeing him carve out a niche. I also know there was plenty of behind the scenes disapproval that came with Jae even attending Marquette. But man, would I love to have him associated with the program whenever his professional career comes to an end. If his drive to succeed after basketball is close to the drive that got him this far, he'll be very, very good at whatever he chooses to do.
I'm glad Wojo has reached out and tried to get him back involved with the program, and Jae has reciprocated. Look for him to come back with the rest of the pros this summer. There were some hard feelings because he was being used as an example by the previous administration. When in reality, he's as good of a representative of MU as any graduate.
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I truly think Jae plays the game harder than anyone else I've ever watched. Every single play he gives every possible ounce of effort, and that has helped him overcome often being undersized and maybe not quite as talented as the guys on the floor around him.
He had so many memorable performances in his two years, but one that always sticks out for me was at West Virginia. WVU fans were hailing Kevin Jones as the greatest player in the league and felt the BEPOY was wrapped up by early January. Seemed like half our team (Mayo, DJO, Cadougan, Blue) was suspended for half of that game. But Jae was freaking everywhere. Played all 40 minutes, led all scorers, got rebounds, loose balls, made steals and blocks, he was a madman. Everyone remembers that game for Buzz's dance, but Jae stamped his name on the BEPOY award that night, despite not being the biggest, fastest, most athletic player in the league. It was his sheer force of will that made him the best.
I don't think he'll ever reach that level in the NBA, but I love seeing him carve out a niche. I also know there was plenty of behind the scenes disapproval that came with Jae even attending Marquette. But man, would I love to have him associated with the program whenever his professional career comes to an end. If his drive to succeed after basketball is close to the drive that got him this far, he'll be very, very good at whatever he chooses to do.
I love Jae but if WVU does better that year Kevin Jones is BEPOY. Jones averaged 2.5 more rebounds and 2.4 more points, 1.5 less fouls. Jae averaged .9 more assist and 1.8 more steals. Same blocks and TO.
If WVU finished at the top Jones would've won.
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That is IF.... WVU didn't, and Jae won. That is the facts, sir ! ! !
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I love seeing Jimmy Wes and Jae being huge fan favorites. We'll likely never have anyone who brings as much emotion to us and a city as Wade does (maybe if Henry stays two years? And becomes a super star?) but these guys really have literally put us on the map coast to coast.
I think JFB might be our best shot right now. His development in the last year has been scary and he's turning into the marquee player in Chicago. Couple more playoffs performances like the other night and his legend will continue to grow. He's on the cusp of being a perennial all-star.
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I love Jae but if WVU does better that year Kevin Jones is BEPOY. Jones averaged 2.5 more rebounds and 2.4 more points, 1.5 less fouls. Jae averaged .9 more assist and 1.8 more steals. Same blocks and TO.
If WVU finished at the top Jones would've won.
And Jae averaged 5.5 minutes less per game than Jones. Don't really think its as cut and dry as you put it here.
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I love Jae but if WVU does better that year Kevin Jones is BEPOY. Jones averaged 2.5 more rebounds and 2.4 more points, 1.5 less fouls. Jae averaged .9 more assist and 1.8 more steals. Same blocks and TO.
If WVU finished at the top Jones would've won.
Debatable, especially as it's the Big East POY award, and in Big East play, those numbers get closer. Jones had the rebounding edge by 2.6 in conference, scoring by 1.9. Jae had 1.0 more assists and 2.2 more steals. Jae also had him by 10 in defensive rating and made more threes (1.7 to 1.0) and at a higher percentage (34.1 to 26.6).
Though winning definitely mattered. When Marquette was surging, Jae was at his best. Meanwhile, WVU was slumping and Jones had quite a few forgettable performances (by his standards).
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Debatable, especially as it's the Big East POY award, and in Big East play, those numbers get closer. Jones had the rebounding edge by 2.6 in conference, scoring by 1.9. Jae had 1.0 more assists and 2.2 more steals. Jae also had him by 10 in defensive rating and made more threes (1.7 to 1.0) and at a higher percentage (34.1 to 26.6).
Though winning definitely mattered. When Marquette was surging, Jae was at his best. Meanwhile, WVU was slumping and Jones had quite a few forgettable performances (by his standards).
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I think Jae Crowder deserved the Big East POY award.
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Jae deserves all the recognition he is receiving. Tremendous worker and effort player. It's all the better that he is being coached right now by Brad Stevens, who gives him every opportunity to succeed - unlike Rick Carlisle in Dallas.
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I had been calling for the Celtics to trade Rondo for years. He was always a cancer and he was the reason both Ray Allen and Doc left Boston. I consider both Doc and Rick Carlisle both great players coaches who have both won a Championship and Rondo has had major issues with both of them. Every player loved Doc but there were at least a couple incidents where Rondo lost it and tried to physically attack Doc during practices. I couldn't be happier that he is gone, and that we got a great young guy like Jae in return. I hope that we sign him long term along with a few star players and make a run at a title. Every great team needs hardnosed players like Jae who are great locker room guys, great defenders, and play with great toughness. I see him having a bright future in a Celtics uniform.
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Here's how I'll respond. I sincerely believe that any NBA team would be better off with a MU guy on the roster. All tough as nails. Suspect most can be coached and can accept their role. I have seriously wondered over the years why a guy like DJO, Vander or Jerel isn't an end of the bench Buck. Play a few minutes of hard D and say thank you very much.
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Wade, Jimmy, Wes and Jae are all currently loved amongst home fans.
Novak had the New York thing going on for a while.
We are producing some gritty fun to root for guys.
*wade is the outlier in that he's a legend but still.
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Amazing game by Jae tonight. Played extremely tough and hit some big shots. The announcers also mentioned 3x that he went to Marquette
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And Jae averaged 5.5 minutes less per game than Jones. Don't really think its as cut and dry as you put it here.
To be truthful, those minutes were due to foul trouble. But Jae deserved the honor based on how he led his team.....
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Amazing game by Jae tonight. Played extremely tough and hit some big shots. The announcers also mentioned 3x that he went to Marquette
Loved that Jae didn't back down from LeBron one iota. Even ran him right over once!
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To be truthful, those minutes were due to foul trouble. But Jae deserved the honor based on how he led his team.....
...which also had another potential all American on it whereas Jones had nodda.
Like I said I love Jae, he's one of my all time favorites but we overstate how much he lead his team when he wasn't even the leading scorer most of the year and he had a fellow potential all American on the team (forgot if DJO actually got that honor).
Debatable, especially as it's the Big East POY award, and in Big East play, those numbers get closer. Jones had the rebounding edge by 2.6 in conference, scoring by 1.9. Jae had 1.0 more assists and 2.2 more steals. Jae also had him by 10 in defensive rating and made more threes (1.7 to 1.0) and at a higher percentage (34.1 to 26.6).
Though winning definitely mattered. When Marquette was surging, Jae was at his best. Meanwhile, WVU was slumping and Jones had quite a few forgettable performances (by his standards).
Now this is an argument I respect. Does Big east POY mean you were the best in Big East play or does it mean you represented your big east team the best in both noncon and con play
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As much as I like Jae and as obnoxious as I typically find the Boston fanbase, he was destined to be a fan favorite in that city.
This. Boston likes the extremes.... the uber athletes who dominate and the less athletic ones who are all heart. Jae is certainly the latter and you knew Bostonians would love his effort.
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More Jae love. www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2015/04/jae_crowder_sticking_his_nose_in
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More Jae love. www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2015/04/jae_crowder_sticking_his_nose_in
Great article. Thanks.
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Jae successfully guarded Andre Drummond in college. Fearless then, fearless now. Warrior mentality.
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4 things we learned about the Boston Celtics in Thursday's Game 3 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers
David Cassilo, Northeast Ohio Media Group
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on April 24, 2015 at 11:01 AM, updated April 24, 2015 at 11:05 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/04/4_things_we_learned_about_the_2.html
4. Jae Crowder is a piece of the puzzle
With such a young team, this playoff run for Boston is as much about trying to figure out who can be part of future successes as it is about trying to pull of a major upset.
Crowder is one player that seems to be vital to Boston's future. He brings toughness, defense and an improving offense. On Game 3, he had 16 points off the bench.
Like other recent Marquette graduates (Jimmy Butler and Wes Matthews), he may have been overlooked coming out of college, but he's proven to be a vital asset in the NBA.
"Jae's not scared, but he's not going to play in a way where he's going to back down from anybody," Stevens said. "He plays very hard and he's a very versatile defender. He's been a great addition."
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4 things we learned about the Boston Celtics in Thursday's Game 3 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers
David Cassilo, Northeast Ohio Media Group
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on April 24, 2015 at 11:01 AM, updated April 24, 2015 at 11:05 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/04/4_things_we_learned_about_the_2.html
4. Jae Crowder is a piece of the puzzle
With such a young team, this playoff run for Boston is as much about trying to figure out who can be part of future successes as it is about trying to pull of a major upset.
Crowder is one player that seems to be vital to Boston's future. He brings toughness, defense and an improving offense. On Game 3, he had 16 points off the bench.
Like other recent Marquette graduates (Jimmy Butler and Wes Matthews), he may have been overlooked coming out of college, but he's proven to be a vital asset in the NBA.
"Jae's not scared, but he's not going to play in a way where he's going to back down from anybody," Stevens said. "He plays very hard and he's a very versatile defender. He's been a great addition."
But of course he was overlooked: he was the POY of a mid-D1 conference, the Big East!
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Jae might have really hurt his knee today. Got clocked by JR Smith and bent backwards. Hope it's not as bad as it looked.
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Jae might have really hurt his knee today. Got clocked by JR Smith and bent backwards. Hope it's not as bad as it looked.
They just reported sprained knee, he won't return. No concussion.
A cheap shot by Perkins on Jae and a cheap shot by Smith on Jae, but Jae still baring at them as they helped him off the court - what a Warrior. Hope he stays with the C's next year.
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Recap with videos:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/j-r--smith-ejected-after-flagrant-foul-on-jae-crowder-in-wild-cavs-celtics-game-4-191557054.html
Cavs looked like thugs
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JR smith is a tool. Dude is flashy though Ill give him that.
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I hope Boston could have hammered them harder.
Cavs are dirty... C's could have banged them up more for the next round.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/brohrbach
LeBron on Crowder: “He’s a guy who tries to play hard and put his body on me to help his team win. That’s all.”
Well, then.
1:50 PM - 26 Apr 2015
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What happened to Jae could help JFB. Nice to have guys all over.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/brohrbach
LeBron on Crowder: “He’s a guy who tries to play hard and put his body on me to help his team win. That’s all.”
Well, then.
1:50 PM - 26 Apr 2015
And he's right. Jae is physical, but I didn't see anything dirty from him. Same can't be said for the Cavs. Really hope it's not a full tear.
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Recap with videos:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/j-r--smith-ejected-after-flagrant-foul-on-jae-crowder-in-wild-cavs-celtics-game-4-191557054.html
Cavs looked like thugs
Was the Kevin Love injury thuggish by the Cavs? Honestly don't watch NBA, but some guys here today were saying dirty play by Boston. They might have had their UCLA goggles on.
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Was the Kevin Live injury thuggish by the Cavs? Honestly don't watch NBA, but some guys here today were saying dirty play by Boston. They might have had their UCLA goggles on.
Pretty dirty. And disgusting.
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Was the Kevin Live injury thuggish by the Cavs? Honestly don't watch NBA, but some guys here today were saying dirty play by Boston. They might have had their UCLA goggles on.
I really didn't think that one was dirty. I don't think there was any intent, just people fighting for the ball/fighting for position.
Very unfortunate play, but not really intentional.
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Saw the replay and it looked like OLynyk really had Love locked up. Hope he got whistled for that one as he continued to keep him under control.
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Was the Kevin Love injury thuggish by the Cavs? Honestly don't watch NBA, but some guys here today were saying dirty play by Boston. They might have had their UCLA goggles on.
Yep, it was definitely dirty and then the Cavs retaliated with two dirty plays against a different player.
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The cat with da Bruce Jenner do coulda let go before Love turned purple, hey?
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Was the Kevin Love injury thuggish by the Cavs? Honestly don't watch NBA, but some guys here today were saying dirty play by Boston. They might have had their UCLA goggles on.
I didn't think it was dirty, just a physical play of two guys going after the ball. That said, I think Olynyk could have pulled up earlier, but I wouldn't necessarily deem it as dirty.
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Nothing dirty AT ALL about the Olynyk play. They were battling for position, Love had the advantage to get the ball so Olynyk grabbed him which allowed a teammate to get to the ball first, although a foul was called. It happens all the time over the course of an average NBA game...or college game or even HS game. Guys grab, shove, bump and trip all in an effort to gain an advantage. If Love hadn't gotten injured, the play would have simply been a loose ball foul and there wouldn't be this made-for-ESPN debate.
For a play to be considered dirty, there has to be intent to do more than gain an advantage.
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Was the Kevin Love injury thuggish by the Cavs? Honestly don't watch NBA, but some guys here today were saying dirty play by Boston. They might have had their UCLA goggles on.
Throw my hat into the ring of not dirty. Arms of opposing players lock up every single play of a game. This time was odd since they were running together near the ball rather then tangling under the rim in a stationary spot. Love will still sign for Boston in July.
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Nothing dirty AT ALL about the Olynyk play. They were battling for position, Love had the advantage to get the ball so Olynyk grabbed him which allowed a teammate to get to the ball first, although a foul was called. It happens all the time over the course of an average NBA game...or college game or even HS game. Guys grab, shove, bump and trip all in an effort to gain an advantage. If Love hadn't gotten injured, the play would have simply been a loose ball foul and there wouldn't be this made-for-ESPN debate.
For a play to be considered dirty, there has to be intent to do more than gain an advantage.
Agreed. I think if you focus in on just those two guys it looks dirty because Olynyk is yanking Love in such a way that both are going away from the ball. If you zoom out, you see that there is another Celtic coming towards them and the ball. Olynyk pulled Love to take them both out of the play so that Turner (?) could easily scoop up the ball and have a wide open driving lane. Definitely a foul, but I didn't see it as intentionally dirty.
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Agreed. I think if you focus in on just those two guys it looks dirty because Olynyk is yanking Love in such a way that both are going away from the ball. If you zoom out, you see that there is another Celtic coming towards them and the ball. Olynyk pulled Love to take them both out of the play so that Turner (?) could easily scoop up the ball and have a wide open driving lane. Definitely a foul, but I didn't see it as intentionally dirty.
I don't know. I don't see one player hugging another guy's arm from behind and pulling it away from his body and backwards like Olynyk did very often. Jostling for a ball and having your arms get caught up with each other or trying to get your arm in front of the other guy's body to pull him back is one thing. Grabbing a guy's arm who has a half step on you and pulling it back and out away from your body with all of the force you can muster is another thing.
I don't know, I only watched the play once (live) and refuse to watch it again (because unfortunately I've seen the still frame pictures...nasty). But live even before I knew Love was hurt it looked completely unnecessary, and then Love immediately grabbed his shoulder and ran to the locker room. It was a "basketball play," but at the same time the way he grabbed his arm and just started pulling away from his body seemed unnecessary to me.
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Celtics announce he has an ACL sprain, so it looks like he dodged a bullet. Should heal with rest.
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#2 name trending on Yahoo right now
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I don't know. I don't see one player hugging another guy's arm from behind and pulling it away from his body and backwards like Olynyk did very often. Jostling for a ball and having your arms get caught up with each other or trying to get your arm in front of the other guy's body to pull him back is one thing. Grabbing a guy's arm who has a half step on you and pulling it back and out away from your body with all of the force you can muster is another thing.
I don't know, I only watched the play once (live) and refuse to watch it again (because unfortunately I've seen the still frame pictures...nasty). But live even before I knew Love was hurt it looked completely unnecessary, and then Love immediately grabbed his shoulder and ran to the locker room. It was a "basketball play," but at the same time the way he grabbed his arm and just started pulling away from his body seemed unnecessary to me.
I think it was more chippy than dirty, unless Olynyk has some MMA training and knows how to pop a shoulder out. My friends that are Cavs fans are losing their crap, but honestly, when have people really tried to purposefully dislocate a shoulder in basketball, thats kind of a tricky proposition.
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Have dislocated my shoulder twice and it ain't easy to do. It takes quite a bit of force. I'm not saying he did it intentionally but he could have let go much sooner. Most guys that lock arms get away with it because they let go.
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Have dislocated my shoulder twice and it ain't easy to do. It takes quite a bit of force. I'm not saying he did it intentionally but he could have let go much sooner. Most guys that lock arms get away with it because they let go.
I dont know about that. Easier then you think. I never had a dislocated shoulder but I accidentally did it to someone playing basketball. I tried to make a pass to someone, (not even hard) and a guy got his fingertips on the ball as i was making the pas and he managed to pop out his shoulder.
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Also, I dont know how close Jae and Jimmy were but hopefully this can be used as extra motivation for Jimmy when the Bulls play the Cavs.
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Have dislocated my shoulder twice and it ain't easy to do. It takes quite a bit of force. I'm not saying he did it intentionally but he could have let go much sooner. Most guys that lock arms get away with it because they let go.
I have dislocated my shoulder three times. It's easier than you might think.
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As a CAVS homer, I'm going to need to stay off of here for a little while. Too many Chicago fans.
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As a CAVS homer, I'm going to need to stay off of here for a little while. Too many Chicago fans.
And Bucks. ;D