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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Big Daddy 84 on April 17, 2015, 02:12:06 PM
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Hello fellow Warriors,
After the banquet last night I wanted to share a few thoughts:
1) Derrick Wilson is such a class act and I wish him well. His plans are to head over to Europe and give it a run at playing professionally over there.
2) STJ is not coming back to the program. I know there has been some speculation on that, but as it was said to me "that door is closed".
3) Damien Lee is the #1 target and they do have a commitment for a visit in early May, just not a date. They know exactly when he is visiting the other schools and like that they are the last one to be visited. There is a relationship between DL and one of the staff and there is mutual interest and communication. They expect that Lee will come for a visit..did not seem to be too concerned that he will commit before visiting.
4) Miller is #2 target and again there is mutual interest, but I got the impression that they actually feel better about Lee than Miller.
5) After that the top targets are two JUCO players. Plan 1 is Lee and Miller, plan #2 is lee or miller and 1 JUco plan 2 - two Jucos. We are not heavily recruiting any other HS seniors.
6) TC is in line to be starting PG next year, as it was described to me, what he lakes in experience he makes up in attitude. The plan for backup is actually HC--they see him as more as a point than a wing. DW is a wing and not viewed as a point.
7) HE hand is coming along fine and they have no concerns.
8) LF shoulder is coming along well and rehab is ongoing, was told it feels more "solid" now than it has since first injury.
9) Sacar is the real sleeper. They just think he will be a 4 year guy that just gets better and better.
10) JJJ is happy and is staying.
11) If they can get enough bodies they would really like to RS one of the freshman to help balance classes, but wont do it if the player does not want to do it or if they can't fill out the roster.
12) Feel good about recruiting class for next year and that they have solid relationships with several HS Juniors they have targeted.
Not all of the recruits will be here for the first summer session, but they will all be here by July 4th.
Go warriors.
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When BigDaddy talks...
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Excellent report. Thanks a lot for the insights.
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Thanks for the insight -- as always much appreciated.
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Appreciate it.
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10) JJJ is happy and is staying.
Huh. After a select few were so insistent that Wojo was playing mind games with him too. Imagine that...
Thank you Big Daddy!
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Much appreciated Big Daddy
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So I'm assuming that means the Italy trip is sometime after the 4th of July.
Has any more info been released on that?
Any chance we play Georgetown over there? I would think the staff would prefer not to do that with such a young team.
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Any chance we play Georgetown over there? I would think the staff would prefer not to do that with such a young team.
I believe that would be against NCAA rules, I think we can only play international teams.
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Question about this ...
11) If they can get enough bodies they would really like to RS one of the freshman to help balance classes, but wont do it if the player does not want to do it or if they can't fill out the roster.
Do you think teams/schools are worried about doing this as it potentially sets up a kid to be a graduate transfer in four years. (four years to graduate but still has a year of eligibility left). I'm asking bigger picture as well as MU specifically.
Thoughts
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I believe that would be against NCAA rules, I think we can only play international teams.
That true?
Matty "Ice" Velazquez quoted Wojo last month as saying he wasn't sure if they'd be playing college teams, pro teams, or a mix...
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Hello fellow Warriors,
After the banquet last night I wanted to share a few thoughts:
1) Derrick Wilson is such a class act and I wish him well. His plans are to head over to Europe and give it a run at playing professionally over there.
2) STJ is not coming back to the program. I know there has been some speculation on that, but as it was said to me "that door is closed".
3) Damien Lee is the #1 target and they do have a commitment for a visit in early May, just not a date. They know exactly when he is visiting the other schools and like that they are the last one to be visited. There is a relationship between DL and one of the staff and there is mutual interest and communication. They expect that Lee will come for a visit..did not seem to be too concerned that he will commit before visiting.
4) Miller is #2 target and again there is mutual interest, but I got the impression that they actually feel better about Lee than Miller.
5) After that the top targets are two JUCO players. Plan 1 is Lee and Miller, plan #2 is lee or miller and 1 JUco plan 2 - two Jucos. We are not heavily recruiting any other HS seniors.
6) TC is in line to be starting PG next year, as it was described to me, what he lakes in experience he makes up in attitude. The plan for backup is actually HC--they see him as more as a point than a wing. DW is a wing and not viewed as a point.
7) HE hand is coming along fine and they have no concerns.
8) LF shoulder is coming along well and rehab is ongoing, was told it feels more "solid" now than it has since first injury.
9) Sacar is the real sleeper. They just think he will be a 4 year guy that just gets better and better.
10) JJJ is happy and is staying.
11) If they can get enough bodies they would really like to RS one of the freshman to help balance classes, but wont do it if the player does not want to do it or if they can't fill out the roster.
12) Feel good about recruiting class for next year and that they have solid relationships with several HS Juniors they have targeted.
Not all of the recruits will be here for the first summer session, but they will all be here by July 4th.
Go warriors.
I'm guessing this refers to Hauser and Coffey?
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Thanks for the update, and this makes me even more optimistic. Obviously the coaches know more about the 2015 players than we do so hearing their thoughts is great. Good to know that they feel confident with Traci and Cheatham as our pg's next year.
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Outstanding. Thanks for the information BD, always appreciated.
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I'm guessing this refers to Hauser and Coffey?
I think those 2 along with Kostas
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This Big Daddy post is like Christmas in April. Thx.
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BigDaddy, as always many thanks for the reports
6) TC is in line to be starting PG next year, as it was described to me, what he lakes in experience he makes up in attitude. The plan for backup is actually HC--they see him as more as a point than a wing. DW is a wing and not viewed as a point.
I heard very similar things. If Haanif can play the point, I think at times we could go to a super big line-up that would be fascinating.
1- Haanif
2- Damian Lee (dreaming)
3- Cohen
4- Ellenson
5- Fischer
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3) Damien Lee is the #1 target and they do have a commitment for a visit in early May, just not a date. They know exactly when he is visiting the other schools and like that they are the last one to be visited. There is a relationship between DL and one of the staff and there is mutual interest and communication. They expect that Lee will come for a visit..did not seem to be too concerned that he will commit before visiting.
The Louisville paper has his schedule as this ...
Lee visits Arizona first, from Friday [today] to Sunday, then Louisville from Sunday to Tuesday. Gonzaga's coaches will fly to Baltimore to visit Lee next Wednesday. He is familiar with Maryland, which is a short drive from home, and may still set up a visit with Marquette, though his trips have to align with his mom's work schedule.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/04/15/louisville-basketball-transfer-target-damion-lee-thorough-research/25841223/
If this is all true and his next week is AZ, Louisville and then a visit by Gonzaga coaches and then return homes for a week to think it over and then comes to MU ... I think are chances are great (again, provided all this is true).
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That true?
Matty "Ice" Velazquez quoted Wojo last month as saying he wasn't sure if they'd be playing college teams, pro teams, or a mix...
International colleges, not US colleges I think....but I could be wrong.
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BigDaddy, as always many thanks for the reports
I heard very similar things. If Haanif can play the point, I think at times we could go to a super big line-up that would be fascinating.
1- Haanif
2- Damian Lee (dreaming)
3- Cohen
4- Ellenson
5- Fischer
I wonder if he could be like an MCW. Tall, long point guard. Not sure if playing styles are similar.
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Does this mean we're outta the Stone sweepstakes, hey?
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6) TC is in line to be starting PG next year, as it was described to me, what he lakes in experience he makes up in attitude.
This may be the first time in 7 years that those initials have been used in a positive light. Refreshing. Thanks for the update.
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Thanks for the info Big Daddy, great reading all of this. I'm ready for college basketball season to start back up again.
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BigDaddy, as always many thanks for the reports
I heard very similar things. If Haanif can play the point, I think at times we could go to a super big line-up that would be fascinating.
1- Haanif
2- Damian Lee (dreaming)
3- Cohen
4- Ellenson
5- Fischer
How about:
1 - Haanif
2 - Lee
3 - HE
4 - Heldt
5 - Fischer
and thanks Big Daddy for the great news update.
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Good stuff, BD.
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outstanding post; especially needed off season
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Awesome report. Great to read all that.
I've never been one of the JJJ is gone people, great to get an official report that he loves where he's at.
A freshman point can be risky but I love that the staff is 100% confident in Carter. Makes me confident and he will get the developing going right off the bat!!
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How about:
1 - Haanif
2 - Lee
3 - HE
4 - Heldt
5 - Fischer
For everything I hear, Heldt projects to be a pure 5 so it would be him or Fischer.
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Jon knows his chit, hey?
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I think those 2 along with Kostas
Those 2 and Winston. Would be surprised if Kostas is anything more than a backup option at this point.
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Big Daddy = money!
Thanks for the post.
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Excellent post. Much appreciate the context.
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Hello fellow Warriors,
After the banquet last night I wanted to share a few thoughts:
1) Derrick Wilson is such a class act and I wish him well. His plans are to head over to Europe and give it a run at playing professionally over there.
2) STJ is not coming back to the program. I know there has been some speculation on that, but as it was said to me "that door is closed".
3) Damien Lee is the #1 target and they do have a commitment for a visit in early May, just not a date. They know exactly when he is visiting the other schools and like that they are the last one to be visited. There is a relationship between DL and one of the staff and there is mutual interest and communication. They expect that Lee will come for a visit..did not seem to be too concerned that he will commit before visiting.
4) Miller is #2 target and again there is mutual interest, but I got the impression that they actually feel better about Lee than Miller.
5) After that the top targets are two JUCO players. Plan 1 is Lee and Miller, plan #2 is lee or miller and 1 JUco plan 2 - two Jucos. We are not heavily recruiting any other HS seniors.
6) TC is in line to be starting PG next year, as it was described to me, what he lakes in experience he makes up in attitude. The plan for backup is actually HC--they see him as more as a point than a wing. DW is a wing and not viewed as a point.
7) HE hand is coming along fine and they have no concerns.
8) LF shoulder is coming along well and rehab is ongoing, was told it feels more "solid" now than it has since first injury.
9) Sacar is the real sleeper. They just think he will be a 4 year guy that just gets better and better.
10) JJJ is happy and is staying.
11) If they can get enough bodies they would really like to RS one of the freshman to help balance classes, but wont do it if the player does not want to do it or if they can't fill out the roster.
12) Feel good about recruiting class for next year and that they have solid relationships with several HS Juniors they have targeted.
Not all of the recruits will be here for the first summer session, but they will all be here by July 4th.
Go warriors.
I get a Wes Matthews career-arc vibe from Sacar. NOT saying he will be an NBA player, just a similar type game & four year progression. Really like the pickup.
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Great information
Big Daddy and Freeport are must reads.
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Huh. After a select few were so insistent that Wojo was playing mind games with him too. Imagine that...
Thank you Big Daddy!
I am sure Ners would argue with that!
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Huh. After a select few were so insistent that Wojo was playing mind games with him too. Imagine that...
Yeah, I thought his non-advisors insisted he was already checked out because he was missing a few minutes of palying time from what they would have given him. Never mind that he is only a sophomore, he loves being here and his staff and teammates are happy to have him.
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Great News BD. Every time I see a thread started by you, I get all tingly. Thanks for the info.
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Thank you for the update. Chock full of good news!
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Fantastic stuff BD! Now when my wife asks, "Why do you spend so much time on that site in the offseason?" I know what to say. "Big Daddy might post any day!"
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JaJuan appeared to become more content as the season progressed, despite our struggles. I never saw any indication he may consider leaving. I think he's going to really improve as an upperclassman.
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Huh. After a select few were so insistent that Wojo was playing mind games with him too. Imagine that...
Thank you Big Daddy!
This is Chicos level of fishing. Unnecessary.
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Big Daddy tells it like it is!
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Kind of surprised about JJJ. Especially considering Chitown stated he heard it right out of JJJ's mouth that he was gone ::)
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This is Chicos level of fishing. Unnecessary.
Or maybe all the months of insistence that Wojo was playing mind games and the staff was deliberately driving Jajuan away despite no evidence to support those theories was unnecessary.
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Great News BD. Every time I see a thread started by you, I get all tingly. Thanks for the info.
Big Daddy for President. Wow! Finally some decent basketball info on the team.
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Thank you, Big Daddy. Somewhere, Texas Western and ners are weeping into their beer.
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Those 2 and Winston. Would be surprised if Kostas is anything more than a backup option at this point.
Ran into Kostas today. He has to be 6'8 or 6'9 at this point. And if you have seen him play you know that is insane. He's gonna be a great player.
Also, great thread. This should be pinned to the top for a month.
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So I'm assuming that means the Italy trip is sometime after the 4th of July.
Has any more info been released on that?
Any chance we play Georgetown over there? I would think the staff would prefer not to do that with such a young team.
Wouldn't play a D-I school. Can play some Italian or other foreign colleges.
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Or maybe all the months of insistence that Wojo was playing mind games and the staff was deliberately driving Jajuan away despite no evidence to support those theories was unnecessary.
Indeed--it's still unnecessary baiting.
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Indeed--it's still unnecessary baiting.
It's called a victory lap and I'm f*cking taking it.
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Good job.
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Hello fellow Warriors,
After the banquet last night I wanted to share a few thoughts:
1) Derrick Wilson is such a class act and I wish him well. His plans are to head over to Europe and give it a run at playing professionally over there.
Derrick Wilson was a wonderful student-athlete. Great to see him win so many of the team awards. Great young man. I wish him all the best in the future.
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Derrick Wilson was a wonderful student-athlete. Great to see him win so many of the team awards. Great young man. I wish him all the best in the future.
+1
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Italian(and as far as I know every European) universities don't have sports teams. MU would likely play a 2nd division pro team. I can't see a 1st division team agreeing to play them, and an amateur team wouldn't even be a test, so 2nd division is IMO the only option.
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If we were going to France, MU v Ox???
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Italian(and as far as I know every European) universities don't have sports teams. MU would likely play a 2nd division pro team. I can't see a 1st division team agreeing to play them, and an amateur team wouldn't even be a test, so 2nd division is IMO the only option.
Most of the Euro clubs have 2nd and 3rd level teams full of kids and projects that feed into the top team. Many of the 2nd teams would have a lot of 18/19 year olds who sit on the end of the bench for the top team but would be similar to collegiate level players, except that they've been playing in the same system for the same club for 3-5 years already, which means they're actually ahead in terms of team work and skills, while perhaps lacking in athleticism and strength. They'll also have some older guys - often "bigs" - who are trying to get into the first team. These would make for some fun to watch competition for MU, while not playing against 30 year old bruisers from the top level Euro pro teams.
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Those 2 and Winston. Would be surprised if Kostas is anything more than a backup option at this point.
I think Winston is in the rear view mirror at this point. He isn't escaping the state of Michigan
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Thanks for the update BD. Any idea on which jucos we are interested in?
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Does this mean we're outta the Stone sweepstakes, hey?
Haven't you heard, he's gonna transfer back after a year.
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How about:
1 - Haanif
2 - Lee
3 - HE
4 - Heldt
5 - Fischer
and thanks Big Daddy for the great news update.
I wouldn't be surprised if Matt Heldt wasn't one of the RS possibilities... so I guess that reveals my thoughts on that big lineup.
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How about:
1 - Haanif
2 - Lee
3 - HE
4 - Heldt
5 - Fischer
and thanks Big Daddy for the great news update.
Traci will start over Haanif. Henry will play the 4, not the 3. Heldt I don't think is ready. I agree with Murs that he is a redshirt candidate. And unless we get two more bigs who can play right away, we will never see HE, Heldt, and Fischer (our three biggest guys) on the floor together
Personally, I like:
1- Lee*
2- Duane
3- Miller
4- HE
5- Fischer
*No idea if Lee can actually play the 1. Have heard some speculate about it and this would be the way to get our 5 best on the floor should we get both Lee and Miller.
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Miller is irrelevant as he committed to UConn today.
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I don't doubt Heldt will be a 4 year kid but I highly doubt he'll redshirt. Especially with Taylor leaving.
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Traci will start over Haanif. Henry will play the 4, not the 3. Heldt I don't think is ready. I agree with Murs that he is a redshirt candidate. And unless we get two more bigs who can play right away, we will never see HE, Heldt, and Fischer (our three biggest guys) on the floor together
Personally, I like:
1- Lee*
2- Duane
3- Miller
4- HE
5- Fischer
*No idea if Lee can actually play the 1. Have heard some speculate about it and this would be the way to get our 5 best on the floor should we get both Lee and Miller.
I was responding to a post specifically about the possibilities of tall lineups stipulating that Haanif could play the 1.
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Kind of surprised about JJJ. Especially considering Chitown stated he heard it right out of JJJ's mouth that he was gone ::)
Well that really wasn't a lie.
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Great information
Big Daddy and Freeport are must reads.
Don't forget about GoldenBoy
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Thanks, BD, but it seems from that report SC is even more of a sleeper than Sacar. Where do you see the Chief fitting in?I thought he looked a bit lost out there for much of the season.
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I would be surprised if Wilson was not PG going forward. That position has changed a great deal over past 5 years and now you need a guy that can take it to the basket. IMO he is ideal guy for PG for how the game is currently played.
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I would be surprised if Wilson was not PG going forward. That position has changed a great deal over past 5 years and now you need a guy that can take it to the basket. IMO he is ideal guy for PG for how the game is currently played.
Carter will have the keys from day one, and I agree with that. You need a PG that can set other players up, and Duane has never had to do that in HS or college. I like him better off the ball.
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I would be surprised if Wilson was not PG going forward. That position has changed a great deal over past 5 years and now you need a guy that can take it to the basket. IMO he is ideal guy for PG for how the game is currently played.
If Wojo felt the same way I doubt Carter would have been such a priority.
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I think a lot has to do with the remaining scholarships, but I think the most likely chance of Duane starting at the point was if we landed both Miller and Lee. Now that one is gone, I think it's highly likely we'll see Carter starting.
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If Wojo felt the same way I doubt Carter would have been such a priority.
Nor would Andrew Rowsey likely be coming in for a visit. I agree that Wojo seems to want Duane at the two.
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I think a lot has to do with the remaining scholarships, but I think the most likely chance of Duane starting at the point was if we landed both Miller and Lee. Now that one is gone, I think it's highly likely we'll see Carter starting.
But wait...but wait...Wojo always gets his man! He was 100%. How can Miller be gone? Looks like the old average and mantra are coming down. And that is not meant as a slam to Wojo. Looks like he is a very good recruiter. But the hyperbole on this board: "Wojo always gets his man"; "In Buzz we trust", etc. sometimes gets waaaaayyyy too overzealous.
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But wait...but wait...Wojo always gets his man! He was 100%. How can Miller be gone? Looks like the old average and mantra are coming down. And that is not meant as a slam to Wojo. Looks like he is a very good recruiter. But the hyperbole on this board: "Wojo always gets his man"; "In Buzz we trust", etc. sometimes gets waaaaayyyy too overzealous.
I posted what I felt was a reality check on this when Mike Edwards committed to Georgia...
And the reality is while Wojo has been wildly successful on the recruiting trail, no one wins them all. We have am experienced center and two 6'10" players in this class. Georgia has no true centers with experience. This feels a bit like Traci Carter in reverse. Edwards wants to play and wants a chance to shine immediately, and someone else has more minutes than we do.
Wojo's a great recruiter, but even the top recruiters in the country like Coach K and John Calipari miss out on recruits. That said, Wojo's track record has been fantastic for a guy with one year on the job. Of the recruits he's gone after the hardest, it seems like he is batting over .500, which is incredible. Jimmy Whitt, Akoy Agau, and Shonn Miller stand out as the ones we seemed to really go for and not get commitments from. That's pretty impressive, considering the wins he's had in the same timespan.
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I posted what I felt was a reality check on this when Mike Edwards committed to Georgia...
Wojo's a great recruiter, but even the top recruiters in the country like Coach K and John Calipari miss out on recruits. That said, Wojo's track record has been fantastic for a guy with one year on the job. Of the recruits he's gone after the hardest, it seems like he is batting over .500, which is incredible. Jimmy Whitt, Akoy Agau, and Shonn Miller stand out as the ones we seemed to really go for and not get commitments from. That's pretty impressive, considering the wins he's had in the same timespan.
Shonn Miller might just have been the most impressive get yet considering that he has only one year left to play and that he plays the same position has MU's highest rated recruit in decades. Ellenson was a phenomenal get, Traci Carter was amazing considering how late Wojo got into the race. Sacar Amin, again, was gotten in on late. Heldt and Cheatham were also highly sought after. I think that this class would be extremely impressive for any coach to land for Marquette regardless on their time on the job. Can Wojo not miss on any recruit? Of course, not. But, IMO it is unrealistic to expect that this year's recruiting class could have been any better. Yet, it still could be.
Then again, we are responding to a Debbie Downer type who cut his teeth on Scoop in previous years by responding to every commitment with "We need bigs"!
BTW, Wojo did get a couple of those.
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My money is DW is running the show next season at PG. If it ends being Carter it would not disappoint me because I like seeing freshmen play and not be eased into things.
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Shonn Miller might just have been the most impressive get yet considering that he has only one year left to play and that he plays the same position has MU's highest rated recruit in decades. Ellenson was a phenomenal get, Traci Carter was amazing considering how late Wojo got into the race. Sacar Amin, again, was gotten in on late. Heldt and Cheatham were also highly sought after. I think that this class would be extremely impressive for any coach to land for Marquette regardless on their time on the job. Can Wojo not miss on any recruit? Of course, not. But, IMO it is unrealistic to expect that this year's recruiting class could have been any better. Yet, it still could be.
Then again, we are responding to a Debbie Downer type who cut his teeth on Scoop in previous years by responding to every commitment with "We need bigs"!
BTW, Wojo did get a couple of those.
Why would anybody care what a certifiably joyless non-MU grad thinks about Wojo's recruiting? He seems to have a "hate woody" for pretty much everything. But at least he's not a slurper!
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My money is DW is running the show next season at PG. If it ends being Carter it would not disappoint me because I like seeing freshmen play and not be eased into things.
Everything that I have been told (and what BD has heard) is that Duane will not be playing PG, so I would have to disagree with you on this. The staff values him much more at SG, or an off-ball position, that allows him to do what he did best last year: score. I was told before he even committed that Traci was who they had in mind for running the show, and the Cheatham PG rumor turned out to have some legs too when BD threw it out as well. I wouldn't expect Duane to be a PG the rest of his time here but crazier things have happened.
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Everything that I have been told (and what BD has heard) is that Duane will not be playing PG, so I would have to disagree with you on this. The staff values him much more at SG, or an off-ball position, that allows him to do what he did best last year: score. I was told before he even committed that Traci was who they had in mind for running the show, and the Cheatham PG rumor turned out to have some legs too when BD threw it out as well. I wouldn't expect Duane to be a PG the rest of his time here but crazier things have happened.
Agreed. I think the clear ideal scenario at this point is to nab Lee and roll out a lineup of
PG - Carter
SG - Wilson
SG/SF - Lee
PF - Ellenson
C- Fischer
Which leaves a bench of W. Ellenson, JJJ, Heldt, Cohen, Anim, Cheatham
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Agreed. I think the clear ideal scenario at this point is to nab Lee and roll out a lineup of
PG - Carter
SG - Wilson
SG/SF - Lee
PF - Ellenson
C- Fischer
Which leaves a bench of W. Ellenson, JJJ, Heldt, Cohen, Anim, Cheatham
If MU should miss out on Lee, five of the six bench players listed above would be competing for the SG/SF spot, so there's a good chance one of them would emerge.
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But wait...but wait...Wojo always gets his man! He was 100%. How can Miller be gone? Looks like the old average and mantra are coming down. And that is not meant as a slam to Wojo. Looks like he is a very good recruiter. But the hyperbole on this board: "Wojo always gets his man"; "In Buzz we trust", etc. sometimes gets waaaaayyyy too overzealous.
R-E-L-A-X
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But wait...but wait...Wojo always gets his man! He was 100%.
No one said that and he wasn't 100%.
Other than that...great post.
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Why would anybody care what a certifiably joyless non-MU grad thinks about Wojo's recruiting? He seems to have a "hate woody" for pretty much everything. But at least he's not a slurper!
I finally did it. I put willie on Ignore. Its the first time I've done that to any poster but I already feel better.
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I finally did it. I put willie on Ignore. Its the first time I've done that to any poster but I already feel better.
Your loss. Sorry that you cannot tolerate somebody not drinking out of your Kool Aide jug.
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My money is DW is running the show next season at PG. If it ends being Carter it would not disappoint me because I like seeing freshmen play and not be eased into things.
Goose, I know you have always been high on Duane, but nothing I read indicates that he is going to be the primary guy at PG next year.
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I finally did it. I put willie on Ignore. Its the first time I've done that to any poster but I already feel better.
Welcome to the club! It definitely makes the Scoop experience more enjoyable.
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I finally did it. I put willie on Ignore. Its the first time I've done that to any poster but I already feel better.
Don't get too excited. He is still quoted wayyyyyy too often.
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I finally did it. I put willie on Ignore. Its the first time I've done that to any poster but I already feel better.
Did it ages ago and you'll still hear a bunch of his stuff and then you'll click on the show post button and it'll be like he was never ignored
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Did it ages ago and you'll still hear a bunch of his stuff and then you'll click on the show post button and it'll be like he was never ignored
I rest my case. Case closed. Done deal.
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Don't get too excited. He is still quoted wayyyyyy too often.
Funny how the guys who brag about their "ignores" think that their opinion is the best and only one. Oh, I forgot, they are the diverse tolerant ones, but they do know more!
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Funny how the guys who brag about their "ignores" think that their opinion is the best and only one. Oh, I forgot, they are the diverse tolerant ones, but they do know more!
You bragged about putting me on ignore, so are you one of those guys?
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Hate to interrupt this pissing match, but back to the topic. Looks like the new arena is hitting some significant roadblocks (big shock). So...if/when the Bucks leave, what does that mean for MU? No new arena...no NBA tie-in...no Sports Performance complex with the Bucks on that recently purchased land.
None of that is good news for MU.
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Hate to interrupt this pissing match, but back to the topic. Looks like the new arena is hitting some significant roadblocks (big shock). So...if/when the Bucks leave, what does that mean for MU? No new arena...no NBA tie-in...no Sports Performance complex with the Bucks on that recently purchased land.
None of that is good news for MU.
I repeat what I have said before. The Arena is a done deal. The only question is not if, but who does what? And, "Who pays what?"
Government never does things easily. In any government project, there are "tag-alongs" that have to be dealt with. The arguments now are along the lines of who does what and who gets what?
From Marquette's standpoint, there is some benefit to having the Bucks in town. Wojo can call Jabari Parker and have him "drop in" during a recruit's visit, for example. Or the guys know they can scrimage a Buck or two every now and then. But as a practical matter, we have a 17,000 seat, world-class Arena that isn't going anywhere if the Bucks leave. We have a coach that by all measures can recruit and we have a team coming in that some think will spark a very noticable one year turn-around for MU.
Not worried about the Arena.
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Not worried about the Arena.
Glad you're not, but there's a growing concern among the owners that it's not gonna happen.
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Glad you're not, but there's a growing concern among the owners that it's not gonna happen.
If it doesn't, it doesn't. Marquette doesn't need either a new arena or the Bucks.
I agree that both would be preferable but I also agree that neither is essential to the long-term success of Marquette basketball.
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Far more likely the arena project gets scaled back than gets nixed all together. It may not be the ideal $500M facility we've seen drawings of, but with $250M committed, it will get done, even if they hack a hefty chunk off it. The $220M request was always designed to ask for more than would be needed so there was wiggle room.
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Glad you're not, but there's a growing concern among the owners that it's not gonna happen.
Really? Hadn't heard that chit. Who, of the owners, has their sphincter tightenin' up?
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Really? Hadn't heard that chit. Who, of the owners, has their sphincter tightenin' up?
Not sure specifically, just was told that they're starting to get worried.
It really boils down to the local government at this point. Fitz will get his 150M plan passed.
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Not sure specifically, just was told that they're starting to get worried.
It really boils down to the local government at this point. Fitz will get his 150M plan passed.
If the State says fine, we'll go 150M and approve it but nothing more, it will get done. I think it gets done anyway. If the State says the locals have to kick in 100M or we don't pass the 150M, that is a problem and I'd say it probably get done.
250 + 150 puts it 100M short. The city and county probably kick in 50M in various forms. So being only 50M short is easy to make up, even if the money has to come from naming rights and other private donations. If it's 50M short, it won't go down as long as the money doesn't have to come from the city/county as a condition for the State's 150M. The city is already near 25M in contributions from land, the parking garage and infrastructure improvements.
If the State commits to the 150M, it gets done without a big hassle. If the State says the city and county have to kick in 100M, which is just a political game to hurt local democrats, then it gets messy but it will probably get done.
Hopefully the State will commit to the 150M, which means that there is another 350M investment coming from other places and the State keeps tax revenue coming in.
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Namin' rights from Harley or Northwestern Mutual will make up the diff, hey?
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Namin' rights from Harley or Northwestern Mutual will make up the diff, hey?
I think they are trying to keep the naming rights off the table to use those funds for ongoing maintenance/improvements.
However, if necessary, I'm sure that money becomes part of the build out.
The only hiccup I can see is if the State refuses to okay the 150M unless there is 100M from the County/City. But maybe the County/City are getting creative and will tie in the naming rights to the entity that controls it as part of their contribution.
Unless the State plays hardball with the county/city and requires the money come from the city/county, this gets done no problem. Hopefully the State just says we'll approve the 150M and you guys figure out the remaining 100M. However, the State pols may want some local blood spilt so it could get messy.
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I think they are trying to keep the naming rights off the table to use those funds for ongoing maintenance/improvements.
However, if necessary, I'm sure that money becomes part of the build out.
The only hiccup I can see is if the State refuses to okay the 150M unless there is 100M from the County/City. But maybe the County/City are getting creative and will tie in the naming rights to the entity that controls it as part of their contribution.
Unless the State plays hardball with the county/city and requires the money come from the city/county, this gets done no problem. Hopefully the State just says we'll approve the 150M and you guys figure out the remaining 100M. However, the State pols may want some local blood spilt so it could get messy.
This is exactly what they're concerned about. And it's not just the state legislators that are looking to score some points. Abele will have a difficult time with the county board. And there are some Dems in Milwaukee will look at this as a chance to make Walker and the majority party look bad.
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Namin' rights from Harley or Northwestern Mutual will make up the diff, hey?
Welcome to the BMO Harris Rockwell Harley Northwestern Mutual Kohl's Fiserv Palermo's Center and Usinger Bradley Arena
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This is exactly what they're concerned about. And it's not just the state legislators that are looking to score some points. Abele will have a difficult time with the county board. And there are some Dems in Milwaukee will look at this as a chance to make Walker and the majority party look bad.
But it won't. Of course the Democrats in Wisconsin have been misreading Walker for years.
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Welcome to the BMO Harris Rockwell Harley Northwestern Mutual Kohl's Fiserv Palermo's Center and Usinger Bradley Arena
The Bradley part is redundant with Rockwell in there
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http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/blog/2015/04/joint-finance-co-chair-nygren-tom-barrett-needs-to.html?ana=twt
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/bucks-president-arena-funding-plan-must-be-finalized-in-10-days-b99485775z1-300830511.html
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And there are some Dems in Milwaukee will look at this as a chance to make Walker and the majority party look bad.
Milw Dems: Let's poke our own city in the eye so we can stick to Walker!