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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MUrugger on April 17, 2015, 12:05:24 AM
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Bulls won't take the Bucks lightly, but have every advantage and expectation of winning. One of them for me is that JFB thrives on his familiar college floor. Seems though that he has had tried too hard in MKE, leading to some of his more ordinary games.
Great to see him finish with 21 pts. in the last game to carry a season average right at 20.0 ppg.
Bulls in 5.
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For the first round, it was good for Bulls to have won the #3 seed so they can play the Bucks, who should be a much easier out than the Wizards.
For the second round, though, the Bulls might have been better off as #4 seed so they could have played the Hawks instead of the Cavs.
Oh well ... can't have it both ways. Gotta win the first round before worrying about the Cavs.
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Can I hope for a Bucks win with JFB scoring 55?
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I think this better situates the Bulls against Cleveland. I mean most these guys live in the north shore suburbs so it's about as far to the Bradley as it is to the UC (time wise) and the considerable amount of time and energy saved on traveling will be useful in the next round. Not to mention the Bradley is a cost saving opportunity for the less well off post college Bulls fans to see the Bulls play in the playoffs for half price
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Bulls will win, but I expect the Bucks to represent. Bulls in 6.
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In recent years, the Bulls have struggled vs. Washington. I'd much rather play the Bucks. What a great time for Bucks fans. One of the truly fun teams to watch.
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I'm hoping the Bulls fall asleep for game 3. I think that's the only chance for a win. Just not enough scoring options on the team right now. Jabari next year will help the cause and hopefully they resign Middleton and draft another shooter to stretch the floor. The sign a guy like Robyn Lopez (gross to say, but a good fit) to defend the paint and rebound and we'll be looking nice going forward.
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Bulls in 6. They haven't been consistent enough this year to expect a 4 or 5 game series, IMO.
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Bulls in 6. They haven't been consistent enough this year to expect a 4 or 5 game series, IMO.
They're finally getting healthy though. I hope they take out the Cavs. The Cavs are very beatable but the East is so weak. Would anybody from the East be a top 6 team is they played in the West? Maybe the Cavs. Maybe the Bulls if they would've stayed healthy.
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They're finally getting healthy though. I hope they take out the Cavs. The Cavs are very beatable but the East is so weak. Would anybody from the East be a top 6 team is they played in the West? Maybe the Cavs. Maybe the Bulls if they would've stayed healthy.
Entering the playoffs CLE is easily the 2nd best team in the league behind GSW, with SA 3rd, Clippers 4th then a bunch of fake title contenders like HOU, ATL, CHI...then the crap teams like DAL, NO, MKE, Nets...
Your LeBron hatred is clouding your vision Wades, and you know it.
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sign a guy like Robyn Lopez (gross to say, but a good fit) to defend the paint and rebound and we'll be looking nice going forward.
unnatural carnal knowledge the Lopez sisters. I can't stand to watch Brooke or Robyn.
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Entering the playoffs CLE is easily the 2nd best team in the league behind GSW, with SA 3rd, Clippers 4th then a bunch of fake title contenders like HOU, ATL, CHI...then the crap teams like DAL, NO, MKE, Nets...
Your LeBron hatred is clouding your vision Wades, and you know it.
Never understood all the LeBron hatred. Why? Because he dared to move on after playing out his contract? He has never had problems with the law...seems like a great husband and father...and accommodates the media.
Yeah, what a dick. ::)
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Bucks need to get one of the first 2 in Chicago to put da Fear of the Deer in the Suburban Milwaukee Bulls, ai na?
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Entering the playoffs CLE is easily the 2nd best team in the league behind GSW, with SA 3rd, Clippers 4th then a bunch of fake title contenders like HOU, ATL, CHI...then the crap teams like DAL, NO, MKE, Nets...
Your LeBron hatred is clouding your vision Wades, and you know it.
I really don't like their makeup at all. Kyrie takes way too many shots and sure, he can go off, but he can also be a post-injury-Rose-like chucker that hurts the team more than he helps. Love has turned into a 3 point shooter only offensively and is horrible defensively. Then guys like Shumpert and JR Smith like to put up their shots. I think the makeup of the team is just not that great. What was so great about the Heat with LBJ, Bosh, and Wade was their role players fit perfectly (outside of a pass first PG, but LeBron played the role of PG). It's easy to point to the 3 all stars and say anybody could win with them, but they surrounded them perfectly with shooters who could open the floor up for the stars and could defend. Mike Miller, Ray Allen, and even Shane Battier became knock down 3 point shooters with all the free space they got from those 3, and Haslem and Anderson protected the paint and rebounded the heck out of the ball. I don't think the Cavs are nearly as well put together as the Heat were with guys like Shumpert, Smith, etc. Mosgov in my opinion is their best role player, and he's not that good. I think they come out of the East, but only because they play in the East. I think a lot of teams have this same problem. Just try to accumulate as many guys who can score and forget about the other parts of the game. Thunder in my opinion are a perfect example. Go get Enes Kanter and Deion Waiters. Obviously they were injured so maybe if Durant and Serge stayed healthy this year they win it all, but in my opinion those deals made them worse. They just take shots away from the guys who should be shooting the ball. There is more to the game than filling up the basket.
In my opinion the Spurs are playing the best basketball in the NBA. I love watching the Warriors but I don't think their interior defense is good enough for them to come out of the West. Every year people count the Spurs out and every year here they are.
I think it comes down to Spurs and Warriors in the West (although look out for the Grizzlies, if they had 1 more perimeter shooter I'd like them a lot) and I think the Bulls are the only ones in the East with a chance to knock off the Cavs, so I'm hoping for that. The Hawks are better than you give them credit for, but I still don't see them winning the East.
I don't think anybody in the East is truly a title contender, but somebody has to come out of the East.
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Never understood all the LeBron hatred. Why? Because he dared to move on after playing out his contract? He has never had problems with the law...seems like a great husband and father...and accommodates the media.
Yeah, what a dick. ::)
Never said he was a dick. Don't like how he plays the game.
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The Bulls will likely have home court in both arenas sadly. I hope Jimmy shows well, and the Bucks catch fire.
I'm thinking Bulls in 5 though.
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Anyone that thinks the Bulls should have played the Wizards because they wouldn't have to play the Cavs in Round 2 is a joke. You are going to have to play the Cavs at some point, does it really help if it is a round later?
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Anyone that thinks the Bulls should have played the Wizards because they wouldn't have to play the Cavs in Round 2 is a joke. You are going to have to play the Cavs at some point, does it really help if it is a round later?
I guess you could argue it might help D. Rose.
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Never said he was a dick. Don't like how he plays the game.
That's worse yet, Wade. He plays the game on both ends like it should be played.
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That's worse yet, Wade. He plays the game on both ends like it should be played.
LeBron's admittedly a great player, but I don't like his style either. It's always "all about me" with him.
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I guess you could argue it might help D. Rose.
You could, but at this point, I don't think Rose will ever be "healthy" again and any extra games hurts him more than helps him.
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LeBron's admittedly a great player, but I don't like his style either. It's always "all about me" with him.
Agreed. I get doing a little dance when you hit a dagger 3 to put away the Bucks and doing a little "Get outta here" motion to all the Milwaukee fans at the BC when you're an 18 year old straight out of high school. But the guy's been in the league for 11 years and is 30 years old. It's time to start acting like you've been there, especially in regular season games.
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Agreed. I get doing a little dance when you hit a dagger 3 to put away the Bucks and doing a little "Get outta here" motion to all the Milwaukee fans at the BC when you're an 18 year old straight out of high school. But the guy's been in the league for 11 years and is 30 years old. It's time to start acting like you've been there, especially in regular season games.
Then you must hate all pro sports these days. That "swagger" is found all across the NBA, NFL, and MLB. That's the way it is today...too ingrained in the culture.
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Then you must hate all pro sports these days. That "swagger" is found all across the NBA, NFL, and MLB. That's the way it is today...too ingrained in the culture.
Not to that extent. There's a difference between passion and arrogance. LBJ has crossed that line over and over every year.
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Getting Mozgov was a brilliant move by the Cavs' GM and really solidified their interior defense. He hustles on offense, too. He fits their lineup perfectly.
As for those not liking the way LeBron plays, neither do I. Who likes watching the most dynamic force in basketball set up his teammates (by far assist man among NBA forwards) while still getting 30 points and 10 rebounds for himself? Gets to the Finals every year, too.
I wouldn't want a selfish loser like that on my team, that's for sure!
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Getting Mozgov was a brilliant move by the Cavs' GM and really solidified their interior defense. He hustles on offense, too. He fits their lineup perfectly.
As for those not liking the way LeBron plays, neither do I. Who likes watching the most dynamic force in basketball set up his teammates (by far assist man among NBA forwards) while still getting 30 points and 10 rebounds for himself? Gets to the Finals every year, too.
I wouldn't want a selfish loser like that on my team, that's for sure!
I'm with you. With so many truly miserable a—holes in sports, why the hate for LeBron? Very strange.
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I'm with you. With so many truly miserable a—holes in sports, why the hate for LeBron? Very strange.
For the same reason a lot of people here don't like Wisconsin, he's a crybaby. Despite being the most physically gifted player in the league and having a carte blanche to steamroll through the lane, he is constantly whining. I know all stars call for fouls, but most don't do it while playing with brute force like Lebron does. And he's self aggrandizing without showing the take no prisoners attitude that usually comes with it. I personally can't stand his public persona. His recent tweet about Lauren Hill was a prime example. And how he's thrown Kevin Love under the bus this season after campaigning to get him.
I'll never deny his skills or ability, cause he's remarkable to watch at times, but I get far less joy out of him than more intense competitors like Westbrook or Durant. Its funny to say it, but Lebron could be even more dominant, he just doesnt have that edge.
Oh also "great husband and father"...he has at least 1 illegitimate child in Miami with a radio host down there. He's just masterful with PR and always has been, crack team behind him. Not that it makes him unique in the NBA by any means, but not squeaky clean like he's been portrayed.
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Never understood all the LeBron hatred. Why? Because he dared to move on after playing out his contract? He has never had problems with the law...seems like a great husband and father...and accommodates the media.
Yeah, what a dick. ::)
Lebron is one of the best of all time and overall seems like a good enough dude. But for a guy of his size and skill-level he is too much of whiny bitch and a flopper. He's easy to hate. And I love DWade but he took on some of that persona during Lebron's time in Miami.
(https://cbsmix1041.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/lebron-crying.jpg)
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They're finally getting healthy though. I hope they take out the Cavs. The Cavs are very beatable but the East is so weak. Would anybody from the East be a top 6 team is they played in the West? Maybe the Cavs. Maybe the Bulls if they would've stayed healthy.
I think if the Bulls had been relatively healthy the whole year they might be the team to beat in the East. Aside from Rose not being Rose, I think it is one of the most talented teams Thibs has had but also one of the most frustrating. So many great wins and inexplicable losses.
Rose is set financially for life. Stop shooting 3s and just attack. please.
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For the same reason a lot of people here don't like Wisconsin, he's a crybaby. Despite being the most physically gifted player in the league and having a carte blanche to steamroll through the lane, he is constantly whining. I know all stars call for fouls, but most don't do it while playing with brute force like Lebron does. And he's self aggrandizing without showing the take no prisoners attitude that usually comes with it. I personally can't stand his public persona. His recent tweet about Lauren Hill was a prime example. And how he's thrown Kevin Love under the bus this season after campaigning to get him.
I'll never deny his skills or ability, cause he's remarkable to watch at times, but I get far less joy out of him than more intense competitors like Westbrook or Durant. Its funny to say it, but Lebron could be even more dominant, he just doesnt have that edge.
Oh also "great husband and father"...he has at least 1 illegitimate child in Miami with a radio host down there. He's just masterful with PR and always has been, crack team behind him. Not that it makes him unique in the NBA by any means, but not squeaky clean like he's been portrayed.
+1. Posted my response above before I read this.
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Then you must hate all pro sports these days. That "swagger" is found all across the NBA, NFL, and MLB. That's the way it is today...too ingrained in the culture.
You just hit on one or the main reasons pro sports are painful to watch.
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Butler off to a great start. Go Bucks, regardless!
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Bulls are a good team with a healthy, effective Rose
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Was at a loud bar tonight but thought I heard the announcers say something about OJ Mayo's younger brother playing with Jimmy at MU. Can anyone confirm this?
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Was at a loud bar tonight but thought I heard the announcers say something about OJ Mayo's younger brother playing with Jimmy at MU. Can anyone confirm this?
I didn't hear that but I did see Jimmy destroy the Bucks in the fourth quarter.
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It really sucks when your pro team is done in by guys from MU. I want to see them do well, but man. Do it against someone else. Crowder's shot set up this matchup, and Jimmy has been unstoppable.
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I didn't hear that but I did see Jimmy destroy the Bucks in the fourth quarter.
Ya Jimmy was unreal yesterday nice to see some offense after such a slow start by the every player on the floor.
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Loved the matter-of-fact "mic'd up" quote from Jimmy to Thibs..."He can't guard me. He's too little."
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Pleasantly surprised with the Bulls so far this playoffs. Need more from Noah and Gasol but Jimmy is putting on a show. He was the missing piece the Bulls needed the year Rose won MVP.
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I don't mean to rain on the Bulls fans parade because I actually think they have an okay shot to beat the Cavs and go to the Finals, but what they're doing against the Bucks doesn't show anything (either positive or negative). The Bucks simply aren't very good, especially when Mayo, Ersan, and Dudley are shooting so absolutely horribly like they are this series. They simply can't score the basketball. Any Eastern Conference playoff team would look as good as the Bulls do.
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I don't mean to rain on the Bulls fans parade because I actually think they have an okay shot to beat the Cavs and go to the Finals, but what they're doing against the Bucks doesn't show anything (either positive or negative). The Bucks simply aren't very good, especially when Mayo, Ersan, and Dudley are shooting so absolutely horribly like they are this series. They simply can't score the basketball. Any Eastern Conference playoff team would look as good as the Bulls do.
I agree, compared to others I am a very reserved Bulls fan. But the thing I will say is that the Bulls struggle with length (see Wizards 2014) but seem do be doing a decent job against the Bucks who have a ton of lenghth.
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I don't mean to rain on the Bulls fans parade because I actually think they have an okay shot to beat the Cavs and go to the Finals, but what they're doing against the Bucks doesn't show anything (either positive or negative). The Bucks simply aren't very good, especially when Mayo, Ersan, and Dudley are shooting so absolutely horribly like they are this series. They simply can't score the basketball. Any Eastern Conference playoff team would look as good as the Bulls do.
The Bucks defense is quite a bit better than Cleveland's and I think they are more physical as well. Mirotic is banged up now so I'm just hoping the Bulls can win in 5 and stay healthy. I'm also not sure any EC playoff team would look as good as the Bulls have.
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I don't mean to rain on the Bulls fans parade because I actually think they have an okay shot to beat the Cavs and go to the Finals, but what they're doing against the Bucks doesn't show anything (either positive or negative). The Bucks simply aren't very good, especially when Mayo, Ersan, and Dudley are shooting so absolutely horribly like they are this series. They simply can't score the basketball. Any Eastern Conference playoff team would look as good as the Bulls do.
The way I see it its a good opportunity to warm up and get the starters gelling before cleveland. The Bulls record with the five starters playing is amazing (though admittedly a small sample size) so if they get four or five games together to really gel against good defense, which the Bucks do have, then we're in for a heck of a good series against Cleveland.
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Pleasantly surprised with the Bulls so far this playoffs. Need more from Noah and Gasol but Jimmy is putting on a show. He was the missing piece the Bulls needed the year Rose won MVP.
Need more than the 35 rebounds they combined for last night???
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Not to that extent. There's a difference between passion and arrogance. LBJ has crossed that line over and over every year.
Well, he is clearly the best player in his sport. Without even really having another contender. Can't really say that about any other sport. I think he has the right to be a little arrogant.
For the me it is the flopping that drives me crazy. He isn't the only one (far from it), but when a guy that is what 6'9 250 gets bowled over by 6 ft 180 guy, cmon, really?
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Well, he is clearly the best player in his sport. Without even really having another contender. Can't really say that about any other sport. I think he has the right to be a little arrogant.
A healthy KD might complain about that.
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Well, he is clearly the best player in his sport. Without even really having another contender. Can't really say that about any other sport. I think he has the right to be a little arrogant.
For the me it is the flopping that drives me crazy. He isn't the only one (far from it), but when a guy that is what 6'9 250 gets bowled over by 6 ft 180 guy, cmon, really?
I agree about the flopping. And your first point only further makes my point in my opinion. He's the best player in the world yet he celebrates "dagger" 3 point shots over the Bucks as if he's never made a shot in his life. I used to absolutely hate the Spurs and especially Pop. As the NBA has become more and more filled with a bunch of primadonas, I have come to love how they play the game. They have gone from my 2nd most hated team (behind the Lakers) to my 2nd favorite team (behind the Bucks). Pop put it perfectly here:
http://fansided.com/2015/04/07/spurs-gregg-popovich-enjoys-kawhi-leonards-cold-demeanor/
I get it, there's a time and a place for passion in the game. It makes things exciting and competitive. But every single time you dunk the ball as a 6'9 absolute freak athlete you have to stair down the defender and flex your muscles? Every time you get a soft and-1 you have to flex as if you just stiff armed Ray Lewis? Come on. It gets old and abnoxious.
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Absolutely great game tonight. Kinda felt like the Bucks last breath of fight in em.
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A healthy KD might complain about that.
He could complain, it wouldn't change anything though.
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Absolutely great game tonight. Kinda felt like the Bucks last breath of fight in em.
It was great. In the BC with my son. The Bucks play grown man playoff defense but are still offensively challenged, especially now that Knight is gone. At the end of regulation and even more at the end of the first OT I sincerely believe they needed to drive aggressively to the hoop and initiate contact. One free throw would have won it.
All that said, there's no way today that the Bucks can compete against the Bulls. But even if they lose today, they've dramatically upped their game and the future is very bright. Get Jabari back, add a new center (Frank?) and improve the SG position maybe via free agency and they'll be a top 4 East team. That'll be fun.
It was weird not cheering for Jimmy and the Bulls. That changes next week sometime. But for one more day or maybe two he is the enemy. I think he'd understand.
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It was great. In the BC with my son. The Bucks play grown man playoff defense but are still offensively challenged, especially now that Knight is gone. At the end of regulation and even more at the end of the first OT I sincerely believe they needed to drive aggressively to the hoop and initiate contact. One free throw would have won it.
All that said, there's no way today that the Bucks can compete against the Bulls. But even if they lose today, they've dramatically upped their game and the future is very bright. Get Jabari back, add a new center (Frank?) and improve the SG position maybe via free agency and they'll be a top 4 East team. That'll be fun.
It was weird not cheering for Jimmy and the Bulls. That changes next week sometime. But for one more day or maybe two he is the enemy. I think he'd understand.
Why add a center? Henson is exactly what they need. Defends the heck out of the paint and rebounds and taps everything. It'd be nice to have him be able to hit a 15 footer but I love Henson and with Jabari at the 4 he'll be able to spread the court as a post player anyway.
Draft a pure shooter who can come off the bench and get MCW and Giannis a half way respectable jumper and you're set.
Problem is Bucks could have a similar record next year even with improvements overall as a team just based on still having to compete with the Cavs, Bulls, and a Pacers team with a healthy Paul George back next year. Could the Central be the best division in basketball next year?
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Why add a center? Henson is exactly what they need. Defends the heck out of the paint and rebounds and taps everything. It'd be nice to have him be able to hit a 15 footer but I love Henson and with Jabari at the 4 he'll be able to spread the court as a post player anyway.
Draft a pure shooter who can come off the bench and get MCW and Giannis a half way respectable jumper and you're set.
Problem is Bucks could have a similar record next year even with improvements overall as a team just based on still having to compete with the Cavs, Bulls, and a Pacers team with a healthy Paul George back next year. Could the Central be the best division in basketball next year?
+1. Or maybe a Novak homecoming?
Know that this is a homer talking, but I am very excited about the Bucks going forward. I desperately want to step out of our 2001 shadow.
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Absolutely great game tonight. Kinda felt like the Bucks last breath of fight in em.
I was at the game, and even as a Bulls fan I had a ton of fun. Not the best basketball I've ever seen played on either side, but a really fun atmosphere. I would say it was maybe 50-50 with fans and maybe even closer to 60-40 Bulls, but the split made for a really unique dynamic. The section I was in had a lot of both fans and everybody was respectful. My own group was split with allegiances too which makes it even more fun.
I also haven't eaten at Kopps in a few years and the bucket of grease in my belly helped me sleep well.
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As a basketball fan, I really enjoy watching this Bucks team. Kidd can really coach, especially in a playoff series. This year's far from over, but they get Jabari and add some pieces this summer, I like this team.
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As a basketball fan, I really enjoy watching this Bucks team. Kidd can really coach, especially in a playoff series. This year's far from over, but they get Jabari and add some pieces this summer, I like this team.
Agreed. I always appreciate your honesty regardless of allegiance. I know I'm not that unbiased. But the future is bright for the Bucks, unlike the last 5 or so times. They are tough and are going to be really good for years to come.
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As a basketball fan, I really enjoy watching this Bucks team. Kidd can really coach, especially in a playoff series. This year's far from over, but they get Jabari and add some pieces this summer, I like this team.
Agreed, and I've been a Bulls fan since I was a kid. I thought the MCW trade was a steal when they made it and he sure made it look that way tonight. Mark Miller mentioned tonight the idea of Kevon Looney and man would a rebounding forward like that help this young team. Fun, young, athletic, if they can avoid guys getting away and injury they could be very good.
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Agreed, and I've been a Bulls fan since I was a kid. I thought the MCW trade was a steal when they made it and he sure made it look that way tonight. Mark Miller mentioned tonight the idea of Kevon Looney and man would a rebounding forward like that help this young team. Fun, young, athletic, if they can avoid guys getting away and injury they could be very good.
I love Looney for being a hometown kid but with Giannis and Parker locking down the 3 and 4 for hopefully the next 10 years I'm not sure there's a spot to spend a first rounder on him. I'd rather go for a pure shooter which is the biggest need with how Henson is playing right now.
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Although I'm not sure why I would be talking about the Bucks in the Playoffs and their bright future right now when the Brewers are in the first month of their season, ai'na PTM?
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Even by the most crazy, biased, diehard Chicago sports fans/Wisconsin sports haters standards, that was an outstanding one.
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Looney will be selected before the Bucks pick.
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Looney will be selected before the Bucks pick.
Correct. Just saying, while I would love him on the Bucks, there are definitely smarter picks that the Bucks can make given the makeup of their roster.
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Looney will be selected before the Bucks pick.
I'm not sure about that. A number of mocks have him being drafted right around where the Bucks are.
I love Looney for being a hometown kid but with Giannis and Parker locking down the 3 and 4 for hopefully the next 10 years I'm not sure there's a spot to spend a first rounder on him. I'd rather go for a pure shooter which is the biggest need with how Henson is playing right now.
I don't think you can look at the NBA in terms of positions. The NBA is all about filling roles. Looney brings something that the Bucks need - more rebounding. But I largely agree with you that a shooter would be nice - I wonder if that is something they can pick up in free agency.
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This series is interesting. The Bulls have the potential to put the best three players on the floor (Rose, Butler, Gasol), but when one or more don't show up, the Bucks actually are deeper and pretty well balanced. The Bucks length is making Dunleavy useless, and Mirotic doesn't look comfortable with the quickness.
In the end I think the Bulls win. It very well could be Thursday. But I really like watching the Bucks play and the future looks bright. For as much of a disaster as I thought the Kidd hire would be, he really is showing that he can coach - especially a young team. Interesting that the announcers were noting the difference in demeanor between Kidd and Thibs and how a young team responds well to a more laid back guy.
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I'm not sure about that. A number of mocks have him being drafted right around where the Bucks are.
I don't think you can look at the NBA in terms of positions. The NBA is all about filling roles. Looney brings something that the Bucks need - more rebounding. But I largely agree with you that a shooter would be nice - I wonder if that is something they can pick up in free agency.
Suns, Kings, and Pacers are all very interested.
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Suns, Kings, and Pacers are all very interested.
The question is how genuine is their interest and who else are they interested in. Always a lot of smoke and mirrors especially when non playoff teams are doing a lot of work on their draft right now.
You very well might be right, but it is also pretty early in the process.
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I'm not sure about that. A number of mocks have him being drafted right around where the Bucks are.
I don't think you can look at the NBA in terms of positions. The NBA is all about filling roles. Looney brings something that the Bucks need - more rebounding. But I largely agree with you that a shooter would be nice - I wonder if that is something they can pick up in free agency.
I agree that you don't necessarily draft based on position, but as a Bucks fan I hope that Giannis and Parker are both 30+ MPG guys at the 3 and 4, respectively. In my opinion, Looney will play the 3 and 4 in the NBA. With the type of player Looney is, I think you're looking at a guy who can also be a 30+ MPG guy 3 or 4 years down the road. Looney would certainly be outstanding value at 18 (or whatever number the Bucks have) and I would love it, but right now the Bucks are looking at contending starting next year (relax Bulls fans, I don't mean they're on the verge of an NBA Championship for next season...I mean a top 4 seed in the East, home court in the 1st round, and looking at "win now" versus "own the future"), no longer in 3 or 4 years. I'm not sure Looney helps next year's Bucks team as much as a guy like Booker, who, in my opinion, won't have as good of a professional career as Looney, but can shoot the ball and has good size for a shooting guard.
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This series is interesting. The Bulls have the potential to put the best three players on the floor (Rose, Butler, Gasol), but when one or more don't show up, the Bucks actually are deeper and pretty well balanced. The Bucks length is making Dunleavy useless, and Mirotic doesn't look comfortable with the quickness.
In the end I think the Bulls win. It very well could be Thursday. But I really like watching the Bucks play and the future looks bright. For as much of a disaster as I thought the Kidd hire would be, he really is showing that he can coach - especially a young team. Interesting that the announcers were noting the difference in demeanor between Kidd and Thibs and how a young team responds well to a more laid back guy.
This series - and the Bulls' playoff chances - all hinge on Derrick Rose. Though he's only 26, at this point, he reminds me of an aging superstar who can still takeover games but not as consistently as he used to, only he hasn't realized/acknowledged his limitations that yet. He's the most important player on the team and possibly the most inconsistent. Gasol is going to give you 16-10 a night, Butler is going to score and get to the line, Noah is going to give 30+ minutes of hustle, Taj is going to "do the little things." For the most part, you know what you're getting from those guys. Rose looked like an MVP in Game 3 and like an overwhelmed rookie in Game 4. He needs to figure out when to pick his spots and when to defer. He just hasn't found that balance yet.
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I agree that you don't necessarily draft based on position, but as a Bucks fan I hope that Giannis and Parker are both 30+ MPG guys at the 3 and 4, respectively. In my opinion, Looney will play the 3 and 4 in the NBA. With the type of player Looney is, I think you're looking at a guy who can also be a 30+ MPG guy 3 or 4 years down the road. Looney would certainly be outstanding value at 18 (or whatever number the Bucks have) and I would love it, but right now the Bucks are looking at contending starting next year (relax Bulls fans, I don't mean they're on the verge of an NBA Championship for next season...I mean a top 4 seed in the East, home court in the 1st round, and looking at "win now" versus "own the future"), no longer in 3 or 4 years. I'm not sure Looney helps next year's Bucks team as much as a guy like Booker, who, in my opinion, won't have as good of a professional career as Looney, but can shoot the ball and has good size for a shooting guard.
Down the road, a five of MCW, Giannis, Jabari, Looney and Henson could be devastating in terms of size and length.
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Down the road, a five of MCW, Giannis, Jabari, Looney and Henson could be devastating in terms of size and length.
That is true, the length of that lineup would be scary and it'd be tough to score on that defense, but shooting is such an important aspect in basketball and especially professional basketball, and there is absolutely none in that lineup. The best shooter both now and in the future in that lineup would be Jabari, and I don't think he'll ever be more than a guy who stretches the floor simply because he's a 4 that can step out and hit from 15. There would be 0 3 point threats on the floor.
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This series - and the Bulls' playoff chances - all hinge on Derrick Rose. Though he's only 26, at this point, he reminds me of an aging superstar who can still takeover games but not as consistently as he used to, only he hasn't realized/acknowledged his limitations that yet. He's the most important player on the team and possibly the most inconsistent. Gasol is going to give you 16-10 a night, Butler is going to score and get to the line, Noah is going to give 30+ minutes of hustle, Taj is going to "do the little things." For the most part, you know what you're getting from those guys. Rose looked like an MVP in Game 3 and like an overwhelmed rookie in Game 4. He needs to figure out when to pick his spots and when to defer. He just hasn't found that balance yet.
Exactly right. Rose needs to realize that he's closer to the 28% 3 point shooter that he was throughout the regular season than the 47% 3 point shooter that he was in the 1st 3 games. He has to realize that when his 3 point shot isn't falling he needs to attack the rim and get others involved. As long as he plays hero ball the Bucks will have a chance. The problem I see going into Thursday is that MCW could do the same thing that Rose did yesterday simply because he played a great game and scored a lot last night.
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The question is how genuine is their interest and who else are they interested in. Always a lot of smoke and mirrors especially when non playoff teams are doing a lot of work on their draft right now.
You very well might be right, but it is also pretty early in the process.
Yes, more will be known after the combine in Chicago and after individual workouts. Right now, primarily based on potential, he is slotted for the lottery. I do no that he's workin' full time, daily, on his game and body.
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That is true, the length of that lineup would be scary and it'd be tough to score on that defense, but shooting is such an important aspect in basketball and especially professional basketball, and there is absolutely none in that lineup. The best shooter both now and in the future in that lineup would be Jabari, and I don't think he'll ever be more than a guy who stretches the floor simply because he's a 4 that can step out and hit from 15. There would be 0 3 point threats on the floor.
Fair enough, but I'd be willing to bet that within 2 years, Parker, Giannis and Looney are all solid 3-point shooters and MCW will be respectable. There's no Kyle Korver in that bunch but 3-point shooting shouldn't be a major issue.
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Down the road, a five of MCW, Giannis, Jabari, Looney and Henson could be devastating in terms of size and length.
That may also be the worst shooting team in NBA history. Gotta keep Middleton in that mix.
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I really like what I see out of Henson so I'll amend what I said about a center just last week. I agree that all the young guys should see their shot improve as they gain experience and what is now an incomplete package on the offensive end. Both Greek and MCW need to build on their mid range game. That'll propel both closer toward all star status.
Okay, now my absolute dream. Jimmy Buckets decides he doesn't want to play with a declining D Rose and signs with the Bucks as the alpha dog committing them on a path toward the NBA Finals. That would be so effing awesome.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-bulls-bucks-playoffs-rosenbloom-20150428-column.html
Looks like the Chicago Tribune's own columnist is also calling the Bulls soft...
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-bulls-bucks-playoffs-rosenbloom-20150428-column.html
Looks like the Chicago Tribune's own columnist is also calling the Bulls soft...
You obviously don't know Steve Rosenbloom.
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You obviously don't know Steve Rosenbloom.
I was definitely going to include "Bulls fans will now tell me how big of an idiot hack this guy is who is looking for clicks."
Thank you.
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I was definitely going to include "Bulls fans will now tell me how big of an idiot hack this guy is who is looking for clicks."
Thank you.
Does that make it any less true? The Blackhawks won their series and 75% of his pieces on the Hawks was negative and gloomy. He's not a hack, he's a pessimist troll.
I like how one post about someone thinking the Bulls are much better than the Bucks has turned into you classifying all Bulls fans as partisan fools lacking in true basketball knowledge ::).
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I don't think the Bulls are soft. I think they look like a team that struggles against more athletic teams. Same reason they lost to the Wizards last year. They look slow.
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I was definitely going to include "Bulls fans will now tell me how big of an idiot hack this guy is who is looking for clicks."
Thank you.
You are seriously becoming worse than Ners, so congrats on that buddy.
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You are seriously becoming worse than Ners, so congrats on that buddy.
He's always been shall we say a bit overly passionate and rude when it comes to the Bulls vs Bucks arument... or really to most Bulls fans on here.
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He's always been shall we say a bit overly passionate and rude when it comes to the Bulls vs Bucks arument... or really to most Bulls fans on here.
Anything Chicago really.
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You are seriously becoming worse than Ners, so congrats on that buddy.
Thanks pal!
He's always been shall we say a bit overly passionate and rude when it comes to the Bulls vs Bucks arument... or really to most Bulls fans on here.
Anything Chicago really.
If calling it like it is (Cutler sucks, Rose is soft - can't walk unless he sits randomly, can't play with a runny nose, can't come back until months after he's been cleared due to a lack of muscle memory) is overly passionate and rude then I guess so. I do the same with Ryan Braun who plays for the Milwaukee Brewers. I did the same for Larry Sanders who played for the Milwaukee Bucks. I do the same for Mike McCarthy who coaches the Green Bay Packers. I did the same for Clay Matthews (sitting out the most important drive of the season because of sore ribs and a sore knee while players on the other defense were playing literally with a separated shoulder and freshly sprained elbow) who plays for the Green Bay Packers. But hey, don't let those little tidbits get in the way of a narrative of me hating all things Chicago.
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I was definitely going to include "Bulls fans will now tell me how big of an idiot hack this guy is who is looking for clicks."
Thank you.
Yeah, using Rosenbloom to back up your point of view is not an intelligent route to take.
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Thanks pal!
If calling it like it is (Cutler sucks, Rose is soft - can't walk unless he sits randomly, can't play with a runny nose, can't come back until months after he's been cleared due to a lack of muscle memory) is overly passionate and rude then I guess so. I do the same with Ryan Braun who plays for the Milwaukee Brewers. I did the same for Larry Sanders who played for the Milwaukee Bucks. I do the same for Mike McCarthy who coaches the Green Bay Packers. I did the same for Clay Matthews (sitting out the most important drive of the season because of sore ribs and a sore knee while players on the other defense were playing literally with a separated shoulder and freshly sprained elbow) who plays for the Green Bay Packers. But hey, don't let those little tidbits get in the way of a narrative of me hating all things Chicago.
+100, Wa-Wa!
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Thanks pal!
If calling it like it is (Cutler sucks, Rose is soft - can't walk unless he sits randomly, can't play with a runny nose, can't come back until months after he's been cleared due to a lack of muscle memory) is overly passionate and rude then I guess so. I do the same with Ryan Braun who plays for the Milwaukee Brewers. I did the same for Larry Sanders who played for the Milwaukee Bucks. I do the same for Mike McCarthy who coaches the Green Bay Packers. I did the same for Clay Matthews (sitting out the most important drive of the season because of sore ribs and a sore knee while players on the other defense were playing literally with a separated shoulder and freshly sprained elbow) who plays for the Green Bay Packers. But hey, don't let those little tidbits get in the way of a narrative of me hating all things Chicago.
Remember when you loved Ryan Braun? And defended him vehemently?
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Remember when you loved Ryan Braun? And defended him vehemently?
Wait a minute, there. Have I been misled?
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Remember when you loved Ryan Braun? And defended him vehemently?
Right, I defended him because in independent arbitrator found him not guilty. So yes, I defended him.
I also said well before he was ever accused of/proven to have used PEDs that I would be more surprised if he hadn't used PEDs while he was at Miami and ARod was coming around every summer working out there, and I laughed when it was first reported that Braun had failed a drug test. So yes, I backed him, and I even would've backed him if he had failed a drug test and served his suspension. He got selfish and acted like an idiot, so he fell out of my good graces. I suppose you have never changed your opinion of someone ::).
You continue to change your argument every time something is proven wrong. The Bucks win a game so let's bring up the Brewers. When the Bucks continue to prove they are right there with the Bulls then we have to say the guy is a blind Chicago hater. When he points out he does the same thing with his "hometown teams" he points out that at one point he backed one of those players. Right. What's the point? I don't back him anymore. He's a lying sack of crap whose word I will never trust again. Is that what you need to hear? I also once backed Larry Sanders, and Bert Williams, and Tom Crean, and on and on and on. I hope you either never loved Crean or Bert or you continue to love them to this day, because you can't possibly change your opinion on someone!
What's the next argument that has nothing to do with the Bulls/Bucks?
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Right, I defended him because in independent arbitrator found him not guilty. So yes, I defended him.
I also said well before he was ever accused of/proven to have used PEDs that I would be more surprised if he hadn't used PEDs while he was at Miami and ARod was coming around every summer working out there, and I laughed when it was first reported that Braun had failed a drug test. So yes, I backed him, and I even would've backed him if he had failed a drug test and served his suspension. He got selfish and acted like an idiot, so he fell out of my good graces. I suppose you have never changed your opinion of someone ::).
You continue to change your argument every time something is proven wrong. The Bucks win a game so let's bring up the Brewers. When the Bucks continue to prove they are right there with the Bulls then we have to say the guy is a blind Chicago hater. When he points out he does the same thing with his "hometown teams" he points out that at one point he backed one of those players. Right. What's the point? I don't back him anymore. He's a lying sack of crap whose word I will never trust again. Is that what you need to hear? I also once backed Larry Sanders, and Bert Williams, and Tom Crean, and on and on and on. I hope you either never loved Crean or Bert or you continue to love them to this day, because you can't possibly change your opinion on someone!
What's the next argument that has nothing to do with the Bulls/Bucks?
Well the reason I posted what I did was because this is definitely not the first time I've remembered you going off on the Bulls and Bulls fans, I didn't remember anything about the bears (I'm a packers fan so whatever) or anything about the Blackhawks or whatever just the Bulls. But as much as you say the Bucks are right there and actually closer to being up 3-2 remember we're also a play from it being a series sweep and you're off to cheer for Lebron and his goon squad.
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Well the reason I posted what I did was because this is definitely not the first time I've remembered you going off on the Bulls and Bulls fans, I didn't remember anything about the bears (I'm a packers fan so whatever) or anything about the Blackhawks or whatever just the Bulls. But as much as you say the Bucks are right there and actually closer to being up 3-2 remember we're also a play from it being a series sweep and you're off to cheer for Lebron and his goon squad.
I call it like I see it. If I see Rose as soft I'll say Rose is soft (I do, and I say Rose is soft). If I think Braun's a complete fraud I'll say Braun's a complete fraud (I do). If I think Cutler is a joke of a QB I'll say Cutler's a joke of a QB (he is). If I think Clay needs to grow a pair and play through some aches in an NFC Championship game I'll say it (it's football for crying out loud, who isn't hurting in some way at that point of the game and season). If I think McCarthy blew the playcalling by taking the air out of the ball with 20 minutes left in the game I'll say it (I think he did).
Milwaukee, Chicago, Ghana, Indonesia. I couldn't care less where the player is from or what team he's on. If he sucks I'll say he sucks. If he's a superstar I'll say he's a superstar. Don't like it? Don't come into a thread about Bulls-Bucks and then get upset about it, and then bring up the Brewers. Or claim I'm just saying it because I hate Chicago (which I do, but I like Milwaukee and have 0 problem calling players for what they are).
As far as the series, once again, I bring up being competitive and the series score to point out that the Bucks are competitive with the Bulls. It's 3-2. The Bucks shouldn't be winning the series, because they lost 3 games and won 2. They are losing the series. But they are competitive. If Bulls fans want to post cute GIFs of the only player that could win them a Championship to pretend that the Bucks "aren't even close" to as good as the Bulls then so be it. If they think there's no chance the Bucks are better than them next year despite getting their best scorer back (which happens to be the weakest part of their team...putting the ball in the basket) then so be it. But I'll call it like I see it. And what I see is a team who has a point guard that plays like he's 40 and tries to play hero ball while the real star sits and watches his point guard turn it over 8 times a game and shoot 20-25 shots a game. And a team who after this year will have an inordinate amount of money tied up in 4 players. And the other team a young and upcoming team gaining a ton of valuable experience and not backing down one bit from the team that apparently is so far superior to the Bucks that Jordan giggles at it. Bulls fans can disagree. But don't get all mad about me calling it the way I see it.
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I call it like I see it. If I see Rose as soft I'll say Rose is soft (I do, and I say Rose is soft). If I think Braun's a complete fraud I'll say Braun's a complete fraud (I do). If I think Cutler is a joke of a QB I'll say Cutler's a joke of a QB (he is). If I think Clay needs to grow a pair and play through some aches in an NFC Championship game I'll say it (it's football for crying out loud, who isn't hurting in some way at that point of the game and season). If I think McCarthy blew the playcalling by taking the air out of the ball with 20 minutes left in the game I'll say it (I think he did).
Milwaukee, Chicago, Ghana, Indonesia. I couldn't care less where the player is from or what team he's on. If he sucks I'll say he sucks. If he's a superstar I'll say he's a superstar. Don't like it? Don't come into a thread about Bulls-Bucks and then get upset about it, and then bring up the Brewers. Or claim I'm just saying it because I hate Chicago (which I do, but I like Milwaukee and have 0 problem calling players for what they are).
As far as the series, once again, I bring up being competitive and the series score to point out that the Bucks are competitive with the Bulls. It's 3-2. The Bucks shouldn't be winning the series, because they lost 3 games and won 2. They are losing the series. But they are competitive. If Bulls fans want to post cute GIFs of the only player that could win them a Championship to pretend that the Bucks "aren't even close" to as good as the Bulls then so be it. If they think there's no chance the Bucks are better than them next year despite getting their best scorer back (which happens to be the weakest part of their team...putting the ball in the basket) then so be it. But I'll call it like I see it. And what I see is a team who has a point guard that plays like he's 40 and tries to play hero ball while the real star sits and watches his point guard turn it over 8 times a game and shoot 20-25 shots a game. And a team who after this year will have an inordinate amount of money tied up in 4 players. And the other team a young and upcoming team gaining a ton of valuable experience and not backing down one bit from the team that apparently is so far superior to the Bucks that Jordan giggles at it. Bulls fans can disagree. But don't get all mad about me calling it the way I see it.
Woah brobeans I'm not mad, outside of you taking a fair amount of unnessecary potshots at a city I doubt you've ever had any real affiliation with I could care less about your opinion. I stated "He's always been shall we say a bit overly passionate and rude when it comes to the Bulls vs Bucks arument... or really to most Bulls fans on here." That's not a false statement. I think you have a lot of passion toward the bucks that leads to a lot of homer blinders but I agree they'll be a fantastic team soon. Granted you hate on Rose (especially post injury) a ton but you seem to be holding out for Parker as if he'll lead you to the finals but what'll you say if the fellow Simeon alum you worship as the teams offensive savior starts to play hero ball looking like he's 40 turning it over 8 times a game?
I do love the irony that the player you keep referring to as being the missing peice is from Chicago a city you went out of your way to say you hate and I'd bet my money that later if he's a superstar would just love to come right on home after you've spent your $120 on a nice Parker jersey.
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Woah brobeans I'm not mad, outside of you taking a fair amount of unnessecary potshots at a city I doubt you've ever had any real affiliation with I could care less about your opinion. I stated "He's always been shall we say a bit overly passionate and rude when it comes to the Bulls vs Bucks arument... or really to most Bulls fans on here." That's not a false statement. I think you have a lot of passion toward the bucks that leads to a lot of homer blinders but I agree they'll be a fantastic team soon. Granted you hate on Rose (especially post injury) a ton but you seem to be holding out for Parker as if he'll lead you to the finals but what'll you say if the fellow Simeon alum you worship as the teams offensive savior starts to play hero ball looking like he's 40 turning it over 8 times a game?
I do love the irony that the player you keep referring to as being the missing peice is from Chicago a city you went out of your way to say you hate and I'd bet my money that later if he's a superstar would just love to come right on home after you've spent your $120 on a nice Parker jersey.
I would never spend money on any basketball jersey. And once again...how else to state this...I give up, I really don't know how else to say it...I do not care where a player is from. If a player can play and help my favorite teams win, AWESOME! If it takes 13 Chicago kids to bring an NBA championship to Milwaukee, let's do it! 53 Packers players from Chicago to win a Super Bowl? Bring em aboard! 40 Brewers all form Chicago going to the World Series? Yippee! I could not care less where a player is from. Jimmy Butler is from Texas. I like Texas. He went to Marquette. I LOVE Marquette. I don't like Jimmy Butler right now because he plays for the Bulls and I want the Bucks to beat them, and he's really dang good so he's making it hard for the Bucks to do that. I lived with a kid from Chicago for 2 years and he's still one of my best friends. I do not care where they are from. Ghana, Indonesia, Chicago, Milwaukee, Rhinelander. If they suck, I'll say it. If they're awesome, I'll say it. To some people they see me say "Jay Cutler is a terrible quarterback" and roll their eyes and say "He's a Packers fan who hates everything Chicago." Then after about 6 years of watching Jay Cutler Bears fans are finally starting to see Jay Cutler is a horrible quarterback. So was it blind hate? Or was it just that Jay Cutler is not a good football player? Jay's not from Chicago. He plays in Chicago. He sucks at football. I hate Jay because he's a Bear. But I love Jay because he's a Bear and he sucks. If he were on the Packers I would hate Jay because he was making my team bad.
Good thing about Parker is he's not a point guard, so he won't be turning it over 8 times a game. The Bucks can't score. Parker can. I'll be happy to watch him force a few shots if it means as a whole our offense improves. Meanwhile Derrick Rose is a point guard and does take shots away from the guys who should be scoring the ball for the Bulls (Butler mainly, but also Pau). The Bulls don't need Rose to shoot it 20 times to win. Sure if he opens up 5/7 from the field in the 1st quarter of course you let him keep shooting. But 5-20 from the field with 2 assists (and 6 turnovers) in 42 minutes from your point guard? No thanks.
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Wades is like the Skip Bayless of Scoop.
He has strong takes. Black or white. No shades of gray. Defends his position at all costs and every turn. Little room to hedge his bets.
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I would never spend money on any basketball jersey. And once again...how else to state this...I give up, I really don't know how else to say it...I do not care where a player is from. If a player can play and help my favorite teams win, AWESOME! If it takes 13 Chicago kids to bring an NBA championship to Milwaukee, let's do it! 53 Packers players from Chicago to win a Super Bowl? Bring em aboard! 40 Brewers all form Chicago going to the World Series? Yippee! I could not care less where a player is from. Jimmy Butler is from Texas. I like Texas. He went to Marquette. I LOVE Marquette. I don't like Jimmy Butler right now because he plays for the Bulls and I want the Bucks to beat them, and he's really dang good so he's making it hard for the Bucks to do that. I lived with a kid from Chicago for 2 years and he's still one of my best friends. I do not care where they are from. Ghana, Indonesia, Chicago, Milwaukee, Rhinelander. If they suck, I'll say it. If they're awesome, I'll say it. To some people they see me say "Jay Cutler is a terrible quarterback" and roll their eyes and say "He's a Packers fan who hates everything Chicago." Then after about 6 years of watching Jay Cutler Bears fans are finally starting to see Jay Cutler is a horrible quarterback. So was it blind hate? Or was it just that Jay Cutler is not a good football player? Jay's not from Chicago. He plays in Chicago. He sucks at football. I hate Jay because he's a Bear. But I love Jay because he's a Bear and he sucks. If he were on the Packers I would hate Jay because he was making my team bad.
Good thing about Parker is he's not a point guard, so he won't be turning it over 8 times a game. The Bucks can't score. Parker can. I'll be happy to watch him force a few shots if it means as a whole our offense improves. Meanwhile Derrick Rose is a point guard and does take shots away from the guys who should be scoring the ball for the Bulls (Butler mainly, but also Pau). The Bulls don't need Rose to shoot it 20 times to win. Sure if he opens up 5/7 from the field in the 1st quarter of course you let him keep shooting. But 5-20 from the field with 2 assists (and 6 turnovers) in 42 minutes from your point guard? No thanks.
Rhinelander sucks.
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Rhinelander sucks.
Haha well played. Agreed. Eagle River is where it's at.
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Just curious wades, I've developed a 'Jimmy's the enemy' attitude briefly here for the playoff run and cringe a little each time he dominates. But I'm also torn because he truly is my favorite player in the league supplanting your own namesake. I'll feel less conflicted when this series is over and I get to cheer for either Milwaukee or Jimmy and the Bulls without that gnawing guilt. I really think I'm going to enjoy the developing rivalry in years to come.
Oh, and I can't stand Rose either.
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Just curious wades, I've developed a 'Jimmy's the enemy' attitude briefly here for the playoff run and cringe a little each time he dominates. But I'm also torn because he truly is my favorite player in the league supplanting your own namesake. I'll feel less conflicted when this series is over and I get to cheer for either Milwaukee or Jimmy and the Bulls without that gnawing guilt. I really think I'm going to enjoy the developing rivalry in years to come.
Oh, and I can't stand Rose either.
I agree with absolutely all of this. I do think Butler has gotten used to some star treatment (relax Bulls fans, even one of your own Bulls fans responded with a "no doubt" when I suggested it to him), but he is far from the primadonnas that litter the NBA right now, and he hasn't come to rely on going to the free throw line and chucking up 25 shots in order to get to his 20-30 points every night. I love his game. I wish he were a Buck. If and when the Bulls close out the series, I'll be hoping he completely shuts LeBrick down (I understand, you won't completely shut LeBron down in a 7 game series, but I hope it happens) and the Bulls move on (only to lose to the Hawks or Wizards in the Eastern Conference Finals). There are very few players whose games I enjoy more than Jimmy Butler's and Kawhi Leonard's. They remind me a lot of each other, from type of game to the way they have rapidly developed their games and continue adding new weapons.
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At the risk of bringing the thread back on topic... aren't these Bucks fun to watch? They just never give up! Plus, they are well coached and run nice sets for the talent they have.
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I could do without this kind of crap from Butler though:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/4/27/8506155/jimmy-butler-locks-down-giannis-antetokounmpo-then-taunts-him
(That's something LeBrick would do.)
Then he goes and flops against Juice:
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/teams/bucks/2015/04/27/giannisantetokounmpowiththerejec-3584708
(Again, something LeBrick would do.)
And then Giannis gets the last laugh in crunch time:
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/teams/bucks/2015/04/27/giannisantetokounmpowiththerejec-3584708
(At least he didn't jump around, whine, and scream as if he got fouled like LeBrick would've.)
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I could do without this kind of crap from Butler though:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/4/27/8506155/jimmy-butler-locks-down-giannis-antetokounmpo-then-taunts-him
(That's something LeBrick would do.)
Then he goes and flops against Juice:
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/teams/bucks/2015/04/27/giannisantetokounmpowiththerejec-3584708
(Again, something LeBrick would do.)
And then Giannis gets the last laugh in crunch time:
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/teams/bucks/2015/04/27/giannisantetokounmpowiththerejec-3584708
(At least he didn't jump around, whine, and scream as if he got fouled like LeBrick would've.)
So how do you know there wasn't anything that preceded his reaction? I've watched Butler for 4 years now. He does not talk often nor does he flop.
Honestly, your bias is ridiculous.
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I could do without this kind of crap from Butler though:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/4/27/8506155/jimmy-butler-locks-down-giannis-antetokounmpo-then-taunts-him
(That's something LeBrick would do.)
Then he goes and flops against Juice:
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/teams/bucks/2015/04/27/giannisantetokounmpowiththerejec-3584708
(Again, something LeBrick would do.)
And then Giannis gets the last laugh in crunch time:
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/teams/bucks/2015/04/27/giannisantetokounmpowiththerejec-3584708
(At least he didn't jump around, whine, and scream as if he got fouled like LeBrick would've.)
FYI link 2 = link 3
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So how do you know there wasn't anything that preceded his reaction? I've watched Butler for 4 years now. He does not talk often nor does he flop.
Honestly, your bias is ridiculous.
I love when people say "he doesn't talk trash" or "he doesn't flop" or "that's not me" when they do something stupid. He did talk trash, he did flop, and when people do something stupid it is them. I'm not saying this defines Jimmy Butler. I'm saying as a fan of his I could do without that stuff. But denying he does that, well, as Chuck Woodson famously said about Jay Cutler, "The proof is in the pudding."
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FYI link 2 = link 3
Hmm, thanks. I'll try to fix that.
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Hmm, thanks. I'll try to fix that.
Here's the flop. Hopefully the link is the right one this time.
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/2015/04/27/2ptsMadebyOJMayomp4-3584630/
But apparently it's just my ridiculous bias and Jimmy doesn't flop. That's not a flop I guess ::)
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Can't we all just agree that wadesworld has a "meatball fan" streak in him that generally comes out particularly strong when Chicago sports teams are involved?
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Here's the flop. Hopefully the link is the right one this time.
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/2015/04/27/2ptsMadebyOJMayomp4-3584630/
But apparently it's just my ridiculous bias and Jimmy doesn't flop. That's not a flop I guess ::)
If plays like that get you going I'm not sure how you make it through a full game.
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All players flop. All players talk trash. Both are part of the game. To criticize Butler (or any player) for doing either is silly.
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Can't we all just agree that wadesworld has a "meatball fan" streak in him that generally comes out particularly strong when Chicago sports teams are involved?
Signed,
PTM
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All players flop. All players talk trash. Both are part of the game. To criticize Butler (or any player) for doing either is silly.
Just saying I personally could do without it. Guess people here can't have an opinion about what kind of players they like. Sure, maybe all players flop or talk trash, but do you think anybody on the Spurs are going to follow Blake Griffin down the court telling him to be strong with the ball after an unforced turnover? I have my doubts, but hey, maybe. Never said it made him a douche, never said it made him a b!tch, never said he's an assclown, never said I can't stand the guy because of it. Just said I could do without it. And, well, I can do without it, personally. Doesn't make me right, doesn't make me wrong. Just makes me have an opinion. Shucks. Meatball fan for it? Sure. I'm a meatball fan.
If plays like that get you going I'm not sure how you make it through a full game.
Gets me going? Just think it's funny that he tells a player to be stronger with the ball and then he goes and takes a dive.
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I could do without this kind of crap from Butler though:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/4/27/8506155/jimmy-butler-locks-down-giannis-antetokounmpo-then-taunts-him
(That's something LeBrick would do.)
Then he goes and flops against Juice:
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/teams/bucks/2015/04/27/giannisantetokounmpowiththerejec-3584708
(Again, something LeBrick would do.)
And then Giannis gets the last laugh in crunch time:
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/teams/bucks/2015/04/27/giannisantetokounmpowiththerejec-3584708
(At least he didn't jump around, whine, and scream as if he got fouled like LeBrick would've.)
wade, your wrong about the Greek taunting thing. That was 100% calculated by Jimmy to try to get a 20 year old kid off his game using every tactic, fair and unfair. Jason Kidd responded beautifully and got Juice into the game as the veteran wherein both Jimmy and Juice immediately went at it full throttle. That was until the double T where the ref was essentially saying 'enough boys'. It was high playoff drama. Fantastic.
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Can't we all just agree that wadesworld has a "meatball fan" streak in him that generally comes out particularly strong when Chicago sports teams are involved?
+1
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All good. It only took Bears fans 6 years to realize that it wasn't my "meatball fandom bias" saying Jay Cutler sucked at football, but that Jay Cutler does, in fact, suck at football. Maybe you guys will see in 6 years :-*
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I love when people say "he doesn't talk trash" or "he doesn't flop" or "that's not me" when they do something stupid. He did talk trash, he did flop, and when people do something stupid it is them. I'm not saying this defines Jimmy Butler. I'm saying as a fan of his I could do without that stuff. But denying he does that, well, as Chuck Woodson famously said about Jay Cutler, "The proof is in the pudding."
I said he does not talk often. I suppose I could have added "often" after my comment on flopping as well. Most players talk a bit at some point and most players flop to try to pick up a call. Both talking trash and flopping are exceedingly rare for Butler and you framed it like he is a flopping, whining, trash-taking crybaby like LeBron. Perhaps that wasn't your intent but it sure was the impression that I got. And if it was your intent you're wrong.
Also, your insistence on continuing to bring up Cutler is bizarre. Because you correctly claimed that he sucked (which isn't much of an accomplishment) doesn't validate your other opinions.
Also, you are pretty biased and it is clear to most everyone but yourself. I get being a homer at times but there's a fine line where you lose objectivity.
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Just saying I personally could do without it. Guess people here can't have an opinion about what kind of players they like. Sure, maybe all players flop or talk trash, but do you think anybody on the Spurs are going to follow Blake Griffin down the court telling him to be strong with the ball after an unforced turnover?
You don't think the Spurs trash talk? LOL.
Watch them more.
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wade, your wrong about the Greek taunting thing. That was 100% calculated by Jimmy to try to get a 20 year old kid off his game using every tactic, fair and unfair. Jason Kidd responded beautifully and got Juice into the game as the veteran wherein both Jimmy and Juice immediately went at it full throttle. That was until the double T where the ref was essentially saying 'enough boys'. It was high playoff drama. Fantastic.
Exactly. That is exactly what I mean when I say it is part of the game - especially in the playoffs.
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Can't we all just agree that wadesworld has a "meatball fan" streak in him that generally comes out particularly strong when Chicago sports teams are involved?
Signed
Bagpipingboxer
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All good. It only took Bears fans 6 years to realize that it wasn't my "meatball fandom bias" saying Jay Cutler sucked at football, but that Jay Cutler does, in fact, suck at football. Maybe you guys will see in 6 years :-*
Yet, Jay Cutler is better at football than any of us are at our jobs.
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Yet, Jay Cutler is better at football than any of us are at our jobs.
what?? and you know this how?
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Can't we all just agree that wadesworld has a "meatball fan" streak in him that generally comes out particularly strong when Chicago sports teams are involved?
People who use the term “meatball fan” that they heard from 2 local sports radio hosts are (in my opinion), themselves “Meatball fans”. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t make them a meatball fan. That’s too convenient and might I add arrogant.
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what?? and you know this how?
Even if you don't like Cutler, he is still one of the top 50 guys in the world at his job (QB). I think I am great at my job. But one of the best 50 in the world? Not so sure about that (the fact that I am responding to this email during a boring teleconference might be enough to knock me out of the top 50).
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Cutler love may be a good test of Chicago meatball fandom. For the Wisconsin fan it's Ryan Braun. Are you still defending these guys? If so you have been identified.
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I really hope Jimmy can come to the BBQ this summer. I'm pretty sure he'd have very good things to say about the Bucks and how happy he is that MKE has something to cheer about. None of this is personal. It's simply competition at the highest level. Looking forward to Chapter 6 tonight.
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Cutler love may be a good test of Chicago meatball fandom. For the Wisconsin fan it's Ryan Braun. Are you still defending these guys? If so you have been identified.
Chicago has it good. Probably only have to pay Cutler for one more year. Unfortunately, the Crew is stuck with Braun for 5 long years. If he was knowingly juicing when he signed that contract it's unforgivable. Baseball's smallest market simply can't afford that kind of handicap.
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Even if you don't like Cutler, he is still one of the top 50 guys in the world at his job (QB). I think I am great at my job. But one of the best 50 in the world? Not so sure about that (the fact that I am responding to this email during a boring teleconference might be enough to knock me out of the top 50).
Yes, except it is really not a fair analogy. A better analogy would be, assume Jay Cutler is in the bottom 60% (for example) of NFL QBs. Do you consider yourself in the bottom 60% of your chosen profession? Well maybe now that you responding during teleconference.
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Cutler love may be a good test of Chicago meatball fandom. For the Wisconsin fan it's Ryan Braun. Are you still defending these guys? If so you have been identified.
I'm a Brewer fan since 1970. Braun sucks, I hate him, hope he does well enough so they can trade his ass off somewhere. When he helps the team win, like yesterday, I feel dirty.
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Yet, Jay Cutler is better at football than any of us are at our jobs.
Even if you don't like Cutler, he is still one of the top 50 guys in the world at his job (QB). I think I am great at my job. But one of the best 50 in the world? Not so sure about that (the fact that I am responding to this email during a boring teleconference might be enough to knock me out of the top 50).
depends on how you define cutlers job. if you look at his job as "nfl quarterback" then, compared to all others who hold that job title, he is average at the very best. if you look at his job as "quarterback" then of course he's the top 1% of the world when compared to 12 year old 7 on 7 flag football quarterbacks up through nfl quarterbacks. personally, i don't consider 3rd grade algebra students studying their multiplication tables to be accountants. you apparently do. if that's the case then i might be in the same percentage of my job as jay cutler is of his job.
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Oh good, the thread titled "BULLS-BUCKS" got turned into a discussion of Jay Cutler. Football sucks.
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depends on how you define cutlers job. if you look at his job as "nfl quarterback" then, compared to all others who hold that job title, he is average at the very best. if you look at his job as "quarterback" then of course he's the top 1% of the world when compared to 12 year old 7 on 7 flag football quarterbacks up through nfl quarterbacks. personally, i don't consider 3rd grade algebra students studying their multiplication tables to be accountants. you apparently do. if that's the case then i might be in the same percentage of my job as jay cutler is of his job.
But there are thousands of people between the ages of 20 and 40 who want to be NFL QBs but aren't good enough. If Cutler quit his job, there are at best 20-50 people on the planet who could replace him without his organization suffering. For most, if not all of us, I imagine that number is a lot bigger than 50. I think that makes him a more successful QB than the vast majority of other people are at their jobs. I understand that you look at it differently than I do, and that's OK.
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depends on how you define cutlers job. if you look at his job as "nfl quarterback" then, compared to all others who hold that job title, he is average at the very best. if you look at his job as "quarterback" then of course he's the top 1% of the world when compared to 12 year old 7 on 7 flag football quarterbacks up through nfl quarterbacks. personally, i don't consider 3rd grade algebra students studying their multiplication tables to be accountants. you apparently do. if that's the case then i might be in the same percentage of my job as jay cutler is of his job.
If you consider Cutler's job to be "NFL quarterback" and there are roughly 100 current NFL QBs that means you think that at least 40-50 of those QBs are better than Cutler. You're sticking to that?
If Cutler's job is professional QB, that would include the NFL, CFL, Arena League and several other no-name pro football leagues. All total, there are at a 200 professional QBs in the world. Worst-case, Cutler is in the top 20 of those QBs. Do you think anyone on these boards is one of the top 10% in their current profession world-wide? No disrespect to posters, but I don't.
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People who use the term “meatball fan” that they heard from 2 local sports radio hosts are (in my opinion), themselves “Meatball fans”. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t make them a meatball fan. That’s too convenient and might I add arrogant.
IMO, a "meatball fan" is one who argues blindly, irrationally and ignorantly. It has nothing to do with whether or not they agree with me.
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Maybe it's time to spin this thread off into a separate one called "Cutler with a chance of meatballs."
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I'm a Brewer fan since 1970. Braun sucks, I hate him, hope he does well enough so they can trade his ass off somewhere. When he helps the team win, like yesterday, I feel dirty.
I'm more familiar with the temperature of these two markets because I live closely. I wonder what the equivalent player for each city would be. For example Pittsburgh : Big Ben?
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If you consider Cutler's job to be "NFL quarterback" and there are roughly 100 current NFL QBs that means you think that at least 40-50 of those QBs are better than Cutler. You're sticking to that?
If Cutler's job is professional QB, that would include the NFL, CFL, Arena League and several other no-name pro football leagues. All total, there are at a 200 professional QBs in the world. Worst-case, Cutler is in the top 20 of those QBs. Do you think anyone on these boards is one of the top 10% in their current profession world-wide? No disrespect to posters, but I don't.
So this is what it comes down to now. You are defending Cutler because he is better at his job than most/all scoopers are at theirs. Yikes.
and yes I am a meatball fan. I love meatballs, especially Swedish.
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So this is what it comes down to now. You are defending Cutler because he is better at his job than most/all scoopers are at theirs. Yikes.
and yes I am a meatball fan. I love meatballs, especially Swedish.
You clearly have some reading comprehension problems. Wades went all "meatball" and stated that Cutler sucks at football. I was simply pointing out to him that the guy who he believes sucks at his job is still better at his job than any of us.
Back on topic...Bulls 94, Bucks 91
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You clearly have some reading comprehension problems. Wades went all "meatball" and stated that Cutler sucks at football. I was simply pointing out to him that the guy who he believes sucks at his job is still better at his job than any of us.
Back on topic...Bulls 94, Bucks 91
I do not have reading comprehension problems. Yes I agree the Bucks will win tonight.
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I'm more familiar with the temperature of these two markets because I live closely. I wonder what the equivalent player for each city would be. For example Pittsburgh : Big Ben?
I haven't been to Pittsburgh recently, but Big Ben won them two rings and while he's kind of a dirtbag, I don't imagine Steelers fans have much of a problem with him on the field. He's actually kind of the opposite of Cutler, Steelers fans overlook him being whatever off the field in exchange for on the field success. Bears fans amplify things about Cutler off the field as a result of his on the field struggles.
So this is what it comes down to now. You are defending Cutler because he is better at his job than most/all scoopers are at theirs. Yikes.
Its more perspective. Its easy to talk about how much a QB sucks when you're a Packers fan and you have a HOF QB who is a multiple MVP. My friends that are Bengals/Browns/Rams fans never talk smack about how much he sucks. Cause they realize it could be much worse. Bottom 60% of QBs is silly. He's not top tier, but he's in the top half of starting QBs in the NFL, its stupid to say he's terrible unless you're comparing him to 4-5 guys that make most everyone else look terrible too.
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I do not have reading comprehension problems. Yes I agree the Bucks will win tonight.
Well played, sir.
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I haven't been to Pittsburgh recently, but Big Ben won them two rings and while he's kind of a dirtbag, I don't imagine Steelers fans have much of a problem with him on the field. He's actually kind of the opposite of Cutler, Steelers fans overlook him being whatever off the field in exchange for on the field success. Bears fans amplify things about Cutler off the field as a result of his on the field struggles.
Its more perspective. Its easy to talk about how much a QB sucks when you're a Packers fan and you have a HOF QB who is a multiple MVP. My friends that are Bengals/Browns/Rams fans never talk smack about how much he sucks. Cause they realize it could be much worse. Bottom 60% of QBs is silly. He's not top tier, but he's in the top half of starting QBs in the NFL, its stupid to say he's terrible unless you're comparing him to 4-5 guys that make most everyone else look terrible too.
32 nfl teams. Here is who I would take over Cutler:
Rodgers, Brady, Flacco, Dalton, Roethlisberger, Luck, P Manning, E Manning, Foles, RGIII, Stafford, Ryan, Cam Newton, Brees, Palmer, Wilson. You can throw in Bortles, D. Carr, and Bridgewater because they all have better upside. That's 19. That sounds like he is in the bottom half to me. No he is not terrible, but not silly or a reach to say he is bottom 60%
You are correct about perspective. You are seeing it through blue and orange glasses and granted I am seeing it through green and gold, but listen to the national media they all think Cutler is not good. The Bears will be hard pressed to trade him. If Fox could unload him he would.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bears trade up for Mariotta. (OK enough Culter talk, supposed to be talking Bucks/Bulls.)
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Do you think anyone on these boards is one of the top 10% in their current profession world-wide? No disrespect to posters, but I don't.
Piss off!
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32 nfl teams. Here is who I would take over Cutler:
Rodgers, Brady, Flacco, Dalton, Roethlisberger, Luck, P Manning, E Manning, Foles, RGIII, Stafford, Ryan, Cam Newton, Brees, Palmer, Wilson. You can throw in Bortles, D. Carr, and Bridgewater because they all have better upside. That's 19. That sounds like he is in the bottom half to me. No he is not terrible, but not silly or a reach to say he is bottom 60%
You are correct about perspective. You are seeing it through blue and orange glasses and granted I am seeing it through green and gold, but listen to the national media they all think Cutler is not good. The Bears will be hard pressed to trade him. If Fox could unload him he would.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bears trade up for Mariotta. (OK enough Culter talk, supposed to be talking Bucks/Bulls.)
You're overlooking the fact that every team has 2-3 QBs on their roster. You threw out 19 of the roughly 90-100 NFL QBs. That puts Cutler in roughly the top 20%. I believe that's where the disconnect is coming from.
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I think the Bucks find a way to pull out a close one tonight...90-86.
But they will drop Game 7 back in Chicago. Bulls get it done...102-90.
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Quote from: MerrittsMustache on Today at 12:36:05 PM
Do you think anyone on these boards is one of the top 10% in their current profession world-wide? No disrespect to posters, but I don't.
Are you including retirees in your remarkably shaky generalization? If so, then I take exception to your border line insolence. Why, back in my day........ Uhhhh, rats, I forgot what I was going to say. What are we discussing again?
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Do you think anyone on these boards is one of the top 10% in their current profession world-wide? No disrespect to posters, but I don't.
If we are an average cross-section of people, then 10% of the employed people on this board should be among the top 10% of their profession, since 1 in 10 people are in the top 10% of their profession, since that is what 10% is!
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Back on topic....I originally predicted Bulls in 6 and I am sticking with it, partially because I don't even want to entertain the thought of a game 7 after going up 3-0. Butler and DRose (Wade's favorite player) bounce back tonight and the Bulls don't turn the ball over 25 f'n times.
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Back on topic....I originally predicted Bulls in 6 and I am sticking with it, partially because I don't even want to entertain the thought of a game 7 after going up 3-0. Butler and DRose (Wade's favorite player) bounce back tonight and the Bulls don't turn the ball over 25 f'n times.
If the young Bucks manage to win tonight, the pressure on the Bulls Saturday will be through the roof.
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If the young Bucks manage to win tonight, the pressure on the Bulls Saturday will be through the roof.
It sure will be and as a fan who has watched them all year I'm not confident they'd handle that stress particularly well. That being said, I still think they win a close one tonight.
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It sure will be and as a fan who has watched them all year I'm not confident they'd handle that stress particularly well. That being said, I still think they win a close one tonight.
Concur. I think Pau and JFB 'see to it'. They had to be embarrassed Monday. Still pulling for my Bucks though.
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Back on topic....I originally predicted Bulls in 6 and I am sticking with it, partially because I don't even want to entertain the thought of a game 7 after going up 3-0. Butler and DRose (Wade's favorite player) bounce back tonight and the Bulls don't turn the ball over 25 f'n times.
The only positive in the losses to the Bucks this series is that the Bulls have played atrocious, especially TOs, in the losses and they were games they could have still won in the 4th. Just play "not terribly" and they should win.
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The only positive in the losses to the Bucks this series is that the Bulls have played atrocious, especially TOs, in the losses and they were games they could have still won in the 4th. Just play "not terribly" and they should win.
It's not like the Bucks have played a perfect series either. Their defense has been great, but they could stand to play a lot better offensively themselves. It's not that simple. If the Bulls play 'ok', the Bucks can still beat them.
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The only positive in the losses to the Bucks this series is that the Bulls have played atrocious, especially TOs, in the losses and they were games they could have still won in the 4th. Just play "not terribly" and they should win.
if by "playing attrocious" you mean shooting 49% from the field and 56% (!) from 3 in their game 4 loss then sure they'd be tough to beat if they played better than that. in fact in every 1 of games 1-4 they shot the lights out while the Bucks shot horribly, and the only game that wasn't up for grabs was game 1. heck, rose shoots 28% from 3 and was 47% in games 1-4. people are so shocked he shot 0-7 from 3 in game 5. That's closer to what he is than the 5-7 he miraculously put up in the previous games.
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Beautiful shot of Gesu and a very nice MU reference!
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Beautiful shot of Gesu and a very nice MU reference!
I'm watching at a bar please elaborate?
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I'm watching at a bar please elaborate?
There was a nice timeout silent film shot down WI Ave. from about 11th. The announcers saw that and mentioned MU, Jimmy, etc.
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Man the Bulls sure are soft.
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Bucks look spent after Game 5.
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Jeez Giannis
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Bulls are an experienced team that has more talent. Bucks are not only getting their ass kicked but are mentally just falling apart. Really bad showing.
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Yikes, is it too late to change my prediction? Obviously, this is not going to a Game 7.
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Yep....the Bucks never make a dirty play.
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If "thug" wasn't a racist word, I'd say the Bucks are playing like thugs.
But they are playing like thugs.
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Honestly scared Zaza is gonna hurt someone. Put Hinrich, Nazi, Moore and Baristow in as soon as possible.
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Bush league by the Greek freak.
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Bush league by the Greek freak.
Embarrassing. And I like him a lot.
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Ass kickin', hey?
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GET YOUR STARTERS OUT THIBS.
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There was a nice timeout silent film shot down WI Ave. from about 11th. The announcers saw that and mentioned MU, Jimmy, etc.
Sweet love hearing the MU mentions! thanks!
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McDermott kinda sucks as a pro.
Just sayin'.
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McDermott kinda sucks as a pro.
Just sayin'.
I said it the second the Bulls drafted him.
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McDermott kinda sucks as a pro.
Just sayin'.
Does Murff know?
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I don't recall ever seeing a dick slappin' like that in an NBA playoff game.
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McDermott kinda sucks as a pro.
Just sayin'.
KNew he would. Everybody disagreed with me
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McDermott kinda sucks as a pro.
Just sayin'.
Sure, because you can already make that determination.
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Didn't like McDermott and didn't like the pick, but way too early to call his career.
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Congrats to the Bulls.
Except for Dunleavy. He can f*ck right off.
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New he would. Everybody disagreed with me
Maybe we can wait more than his rookie year....
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Maybe we can wait more than his rookie year....
Sir yes sir! Maybe if he didn't have a shot clock he could keep up with coach's strategy
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Sir yes sir! Maybe if he didn't have a shot clock he could keep up with coach's strategy
Has anyone claimed they didn't want a shot clock?
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not that i condone what giannis did, but he certainly wasn't the only one acting like a punk. not once, but twice. you punch 2 guys in the face and you get what's coming for you...
https://vine.co/v/e7n2JH2VjHm
https://vine.co/v/e7neQHjgql6
can't take the physicality so just take cheap shots.
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not that i condone what giannis did, but he certainly wasn't the only one acting like a punk. not once, but twice. you punch 2 guys in the face and you get what's coming for you...
https://vine.co/v/e7n2JH2VjHm
https://vine.co/v/e7neQHjgql6
can't take the physicality so just take cheap shots.
To compare what Giannis did to either of those plays is ridiculous.
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To compare what Giannis did to either of those plays is ridiculous.
Lets not go acting like MDJ is some saint now. I love him but he is one of the sneakiest dirty players in the league. Not Bruce Bowen bad but he will sneak up on you.
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To compare what Giannis did to either of those plays is ridiculous.
dear god. chicago fans are insufferable. dunleavy knocked giannis on his ass by punching him in the face. this after he knocked mcw out of the game for a quarter after punching him in the face. hilarious that fibs call mke fans meatball fans and then go and defend dunleybitch and call giannis a thug.
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dear god. chicago fans are insufferable. dunleavy knocked giannis on his ass by punching him in the face. this after he knocked mcw out of the game for a quarter after punching him in the face. hilarious that fibs call mke fans meatball fans and then go and defend dunleybitch and call giannis a thug.
Lost all credibility after using the term fibs. Those were two pretty cheap, but smart plays. What OJ and Giannis did were just plain stupid. Along with Zaza earlier in the series.
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Lets not go acting like MDJ is some saint now. I love him but he is one of the sneakiest dirty players in the league. Not Bruce Bowen bad but he will sneak up on you.
I didn't say he was a saint nor did I say either of those other plays weren't fouls (the shooting foul could have easily been called a flagrant one). That being said, neither compares to what Giannis did.
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dear god. chicago fans are insufferable. dunleavy knocked giannis on his ass by punching him in the face. this after he knocked mcw out of the game for a quarter after punching him in the face. hilarious that fibs call mke fans meatball fans and then go and defend dunleybitch and call giannis a thug.
Your screen name is hilarious based on your comments. You need to get your eyes or head examined. You're calling the foul that precipitated that 50 foot sprint and tackle a punch in the face? Brilliant.
I didn't defend Dunleavy or call Giannis a thug. You're not too sharp, are you?
54 points.
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Your screen name is hilarious based on your comments. You need to get your eyes or head examined. You're calling the foul that precipitated that 50 foot sprint and tackle a punch in the face? Brilliant.
I didn't defend Dunleavy or call Giannis a thug. You're not too sharp, are you?
54 points.
Right, congratulations you beat a team by 54 that won 15 games last year in GAME 6 of a first round playoff. You should feel proud.
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Maybe we can wait more than his rookie year....
Maybe like 5 years, hey?
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Right, congratulations you beat a team by 54 that won 15 games last year in GAME 6 of a first round playoff. You should feel proud.
Maybe take into account the context and the type of comment I was responding to. The Bucks had a great year, they gave the Bulls a tough series and appear to have a bright future.
That being said, they got their assed handed to them in historic fashion and lost their cool in the process.
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If I was a bulls fan I would be concerned by how great they looked last night, and how disengaged they looked through out much of the rest of the series. I bet the LeBrons take care of them pretty easily, sad to say for Jimmy's sake.
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Anybody else watch Parker shooting before the game?
He always had a bit of a soft body, but he is VERY out of shape.
And as much of an improvement as the overall season was, this game was as big of an embarrassment. This is a professional NBA team, not a special olympics squad that you praise for just showing up and trying, and they should get as much criticism as they got praise for winning game 5.
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The Bucks meltdown last night was tough to watch. But they're young and will learn from it. Greek's outburst was stupid and uncalled for.
Good luck to Jimmy and the Bulls going forward.
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Maybe take into account the context and the type of comment I was responding to. The Bucks had a great year, they gave the Bulls a tough series and appear to have a bright future.
That being said, they got their assed handed to them in historic fashion and lost their cool in the process.
Yes I took into account the context. Have some class, you shouldn't be spouting off about a 54 point win against a team you should have beat handily in 4 games.
The Bucks lost their cool, but it was a learning experience for the youngest team in the playoffs. On some level I like the fight in them, Dunleavy is a punk and I'm glad they retaliated.
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Yes I took into account the context. Have some class, you shouldn't be spouting off about a 54 point win against a team you should have beat handily in 4 games.
The Bucks lost their cool, but it was a learning experience for the youngest team in the playoffs. On some level I like the fight in them, Dunleavy is a punk and I'm glad they retaliated.
You do realize that Dunleavy did exactly what he set out to do right? He got them thinking more about retaliation and such nonsense rather than playing their game.
That was a veteran team toying with a young team. It is a method as old as the NBA itself. Dunleavy "won." Being "glad they retaliated" means that you are happy that the Bucks were mentally not in right place.
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You do realize that Dunleavy did exactly what he set out to do right? He got them thinking more about retaliation and such nonsense rather than playing their game.
That was a veteran team toying with a young team. It is a method as old as the NBA itself. Dunleavy "won." Being "glad they retaliated" means that you are happy that the Bucks were mentally not in right place.
Understood, I said on some level. That level being I would have liked to smack that smug looking face myself, so I am glad they did it.
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That was a veteran team toying with a young team. It is a method as old as the NBA itself. Dunleavy "won." Being "glad they retaliated" means that you are happy that the Bucks were mentally not in right place.
Arguing about a team's mental state when down huge like that is pointless. Chances are they won't be in that situation again.
I don't have a problem with what Giannis did. Was it dumb? Sure. Did it matter? No.
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Arguing about a team's mental state when down huge like that is pointless. Chances are they won't be in that situation again.
I don't have a problem with what Giannis did. Was it dumb? Sure. Did it matter? No.
I have a huge problem with it. It was dirty play that could result in injury. I don't care what Dunleavy did prior. You don't act like that on a basketball court.
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I agree. It was an embarrassing and unprofessional play. And I'm pretty confident Jason tore him a new one after the game. He's 20 and made a mistake. Now he just needs to learn from it.
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I have a huge problem with it. It was dirty play that could result in injury. I don't care what Dunleavy did prior. You don't act like that on a basketball court.
If someone punches me and my teammate, you can be damn sure I'm putting him on his ass the next chance I get. Giannis' mistake was being so blatant about it.
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If someone punches me and my teammate, you can be damn sure I'm putting them on their ass the next chance I get. Giannis' mistake was being so blatant about it.
And that's how you lose basketball games. The best way to retaliate is to score more points than the other team.
Young teams need to realize that physical basketball happens - especially in the playoffs. You play through it. Giving into it is *exactly* what the Bulls wanted.
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And that's how you lose basketball games. The best way to retaliate is to score more points than the other team.
Young teams need to realize that physical basketball happens - especially in the playoffs. You play through it. Giving into it is *exactly* what the Bulls wanted.
First point, yes. I agree. But they had already lost that basketball game by the time the incident happened.
And what Dunleavy did wasn't "physical basketball" any more than what Giannis did. It was dirty. End of.
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First point, yes. I agree. But they had already lost that basketball game by the time the incident happened.
And what Dunleavy did wasn't "physical basketball" any more than what Giannis did. It was dirty. End of.
I didn't see a foul called on Dunleavy.
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I didn't see a foul called on Dunleavy.
Because the ref didn't see it, it wasn't a dirty play? Come on. You're better than this.
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Because the ref didn't see it, it wasn't a dirty play? Come on. You're better than this.
The play on Carter-Williams should have been a flagrant 1 - clearly wasn't going for the ball. There could have been a foul called on the other play but there was absolutely no punch thrown - that's ridiculous and no way does it compare to Giannis' response.
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Yes I took into account the context. Have some class, you shouldn't be spouting off about a 54 point win against a team you should have beat handily in 4 games.
The Bucks lost their cool, but it was a learning experience for the youngest team in the playoffs. On some level I like the fight in them, Dunleavy is a punk and I'm glad they retaliated.
I should have some class but you're glad they retaliated in that way. Makes perfect sense.
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If I was a bulls fan I would be concerned by how great they looked last night, and how disengaged they looked through out much of the rest of the series. I bet the LeBrons take care of them pretty easily, sad to say for Jimmy's sake.
I'm concerned by their inconsistency from game to game but their performance last night does anything but concern me.
It will not be an easy series for the Cavs. Losing Love is big and they are not nearly as good defensively as Milwaukee is (granted they are much better offensively). If the Bulls can get one in Cleveland to start the series I think they take it.
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lol. people here are funny. tackling someone in basketball is a "dirty and dangerous" play (i don't disagree) but punching not one, but two different players in the face is "smart, veteran basketball." that's where i disagree.
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And that's how you lose basketball games. The best way to retaliate is to score more points than the other team.
Young teams need to realize that physical basketball happens - especially in the playoffs. You play through it. Giving into it is *exactly* what the Bulls wanted.
the game was over by then.
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Understood, I said on some level. That level being I would have liked to smack that smug looking face myself, so I am glad they did it.
What that kid did was as dirty as anything I've ever seen on a basketball court. A punch or an elbow is bad but it's usually a reflexive, spur of the moment thing. Running full tilt at a guy to level him when he's off the ground in a defenseless posture (shooting a jump shot) is beyond the pale. You're really glad he did it? I don't believe that.
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I didn't see a foul called on Dunleavy.
only fouls are dirty? lol okay sultan.
when dunleavy gets fined is it still not dirty? if he gets suspended for game 1 is it not dirty?
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The play on Carter-Williams should have been a flagrant 1 - clearly wasn't going for the ball. There could have been a foul called on the other play but there was absolutely no punch thrown - that's ridiculous and no way does it compare to Giannis' response.
https://vine.co/v/e7n2JH2VjHm
? that's not a punch? LOL!
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https://vine.co/v/e7n2JH2VjHm
? that's not a punch? LOL!
No, it's not. I'm not sure you know what a punch is.
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https://vine.co/v/e7n2JH2VjHm
? that's not a punch? LOL!
Yeah, that wasn't a punch. Giannis with a nice dive though.
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He pushed him in the face. That same play happens all the time. But usually its two bigger guys and one doesn't fall. It wasn't Dunleavy being an angel, but calling it a punch is absurd.
The play on MCW was lame.
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Because the ref didn't see it, it wasn't a dirty play? Come on. You're better than this.
You are the one happy that a player committed a flagrant-2 foul to retaliate, and you are the one saying *I* am better than that?
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only fouls are dirty? lol okay sultan.
when dunleavy gets fined is it still not dirty? if he gets suspended for game 1 is it not dirty?
Not the point. If it isn't called on the floor than the game goes on. It is irrelevant if he is fined later.
the game was over by then.
Oh so it becomes open season then? I don't think so.
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What that kid did was as dirty as anything I've ever seen on a basketball court. A punch or an elbow is bad but it's usually a reflexive, spur of the moment thing. Running full tilt at a guy to level him when he's off the ground in a defenseless posture (shooting a jump shot) is beyond the pale. You're really glad he did it? I don't believe that.
Agree completely. And I am a Bucks fan.
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You are the one happy that a player committed a flagrant-2 foul to retaliate, and you are the one saying *I* am better than that?
Find where I said I was happy about it. I said it was dumb, but I didn't have a problem with it.
And yes, typically you back your arguments up better than "I didn't see a foul called."
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Can't we just all agree on something?
JFB would absolutely destroy Mayo in a fight.
(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/471719510-jimmy-butler-of-the-chicago-bulls-yells-with-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QdSa0jwqx9kL2uXiD8WOX26ZZR9RmfNvZ3AJ19ynZdJ6GcrDQP5QSnyNDjUurzNbGg%3D%3D)
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Find where I said I was happy about it. I said it was dumb, but I didn't have a problem with it.
And yes, typically you back your arguments up better than "I didn't see a foul called."
That's because you didn't understand what I was saying. If a foul isn't called the game goes on. You don't play to retaliate. You play to score.
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Can't we just all agree on something?
JFB would absolutely destroy Mayo in a fight.
And to think that OJ isn't the dumbest Mayo.
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What that kid did was as dirty as anything I've ever seen on a basketball court. A punch or an elbow is bad but it's usually a reflexive, spur of the moment thing. Running full tilt at a guy to level him when he's off the ground in a defenseless posture (shooting a jump shot) is beyond the pale. You're really glad he did it? I don't believe that.
No, I agree it was a stupid thing for him to do. I did say on some level I am glad he did it. I like his competiveness and fight. It was also nice to see Dunleavy get some pay back, but the way Giannis did it was inappropriate. He is 20, he will learn and move on. Good knows I did stupid things at 20 that I learned from and moved on, hell I did stupid things last night. Great learning experience for these guys.
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As a Bulls fan I'm happy with the outcome, but if I was a Bucks fan I'd be proud of the way they showed up and gave the Bulls all they could handle. Not to the same extent, but something about it reminded me a little of the Bulls/Celtics series a few years back when the Celts were heavily favored and every game was a battle. At that point it was the sign of the Bulls as an up and coming team.
A lot is being made of the fouls, but I think at the end of the day the fans make even more of it than the players. Every single guy was hugging in the lines, and even in Dunleavy's post game interview he said it was just something that happens. Playing a team 6 times in a row brings out some fire. There are have been far more physical series and there will be more of them in the future, and possibly even in these playoffs.
I'm really psyched that there could be a good rivalry brewing here.
I'm not so psyched about what that will mean for muscoop, but they will make the games more fun to watch.
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No, I agree it was a stupid thing for him to do. I did say on some level I am glad he did it. I like his competiveness and fight.
Trucking a jump-shooter has nothing to do with competitiveness or fight. It is a coward move.
It was also nice to see Dunleavy get some pay back, but the way Giannis did it was inappropriate. He is 20, he will learn and move on. Good knows I did stupid things at 20 that I learned from and moved on, hell I did stupid things last night. Great learning experience for these guys.
I agree with this completely.
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No, I agree it was a stupid thing for him to do. I did say on some level I am glad he did it. I like his competiveness and fight. It was also nice to see Dunleavy get some pay back, but the way Giannis did it was inappropriate. He is 20, he will learn and move on. Good knows I did stupid things at 20 that I learned from and moved on, hell I did stupid things last night. Great learning experience for these guys.
Yup, I'm sure Dunleavy really felt that payback in a 54 point win...I like Giannis a lot. I like the Bucks a lot even though I'm a Bulls fan. (honestly it's not a rivalry to me) But I don't know how bucks fans can be happy with his action or Zazas flying elbows all series.
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Yup, I'm sure Dunleavy really felt that payback in a 54 point win...I like Giannis a lot. I like the Bucks a lot even though I'm a Bulls fan. (honestly it's not a rivalry to me) But I don't know how bucks fans can be happy with his action or Zazas flying elbows all series.
Cheap shots by both teams all series, playoff basketball. Go back and watch some of Gibson's play, he punched Bayless right in the chest in one game and had multiple other cheap shots. (Granted not to the level of the Giannis play) You are only seeing what you want to see.
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Arguing about a team's mental state when down huge like that is pointless. Chances are they won't be in that situation again.
I don't have a problem with what Giannis did. Was it dumb? Sure. Did it matter? No.
It sure as crap did. Had dunleavy broken a bone, etc. We'd be talking about a years suspension.
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Understood, I said on some level. That level being I would have liked to smack that smug looking face myself, so I am glad they did it.
Wait your telling people to have class, and then you do a 180 and say how much you liked someone decide to play football and blindside tackle someone in a basketball game? You can't have both.
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It sure as crap did. Had dunleavy broken a bone, etc. We'd be talking about a years suspension.
But that didn't happen, so in the end, Giannis will take his medicine from the league, and we move on.
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https://vine.co/v/e7n2JH2VjHm
? that's not a punch? LOL!
I don't think you have a clue on what a punch is. Thats like a quarter of a shove. Maybe.
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No, I agree it was a stupid thing for him to do. I did say on some level I am glad he did it. I like his competiveness and fight. It was also nice to see Dunleavy get some pay back, but the way Giannis did it was inappropriate. He is 20, he will learn and move on. Good knows I did stupid things at 20 that I learned from and moved on, hell I did stupid things last night. Great learning experience for these guys.
I did stupid things at 20, too, hairy. I'm thankful that when I did there was no one there to say that on some level they were glad I did it. Running full tilt into a defenseless guy who is in the air shooting the ball has IMO nothing to do with competitiveness or fight. At best it's petulance and immaturity, at worst it's thuggish. I hope it's the former - he's a talented young player.
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https://vine.co/v/e7n2JH2VjHm
? that's not a punch? LOL!
If that's a punch boy are you in for a surprise watching mayweather vs pacquiao
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Where is wadesworld? Is he at Dunleavy's house right now, waiting for him to come out?
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/302162801.html
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It sure as crap did. Had dunleavy broken a bone, etc. We'd be talking about a years suspension.
Dunleavy was ground bound at the time, nice try!
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/302162801.html
What Sultan said about Dunleavy echoed by Giannis - doing what all vets do, trying to get us out of our game, etc. and then he apologizes for his cheap shot. Good for him.
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Can't stand the NBA, but have 3 free ducats for today's Clippers game 7. So heading out to cheer on Doc Rivers at least. A franchise that has choked forever, maybe they can pull one out today and get to the 2nd round for only the second time in their history.
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Can't stand the NBA, but have 3 free ducats for today's Clippers game 7. So heading out to cheer on Doc Rivers at least. A franchise that has choked forever, maybe they can pull one out today and get to the 2nd round for only the second time in their history.
Spending Saturday evening fighting traffic so I can get someplace where I'll be forced to watch 3 hours worth of something I can't stand because it's free? No thanks.
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So do we turn this thread into a Bulls Cavs thread?
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So do we turn this thread into a Bulls Cavs thread?
Yes.
I'm not going to feel good unless the Bulls can steal game 2 as well. It will be interesting to see what the Cavs do about the pick n roll tonight, which ate them up about as bad as it's eaten up any team the Bulls played this year.
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Yup, I'm sure Dunleavy really felt that payback in a 54 point win...I like Giannis a lot. I like the Bucks a lot even though I'm a Bulls fan. (honestly it's not a rivalry to me) But I don't know how bucks fans can be happy with his action or Zazas flying elbows all series.
My guess is that Dunleavy won't throw any more cheap shots at MCW, though.
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Man wade's really has really gone underground since Game 6.
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Yes.
I'm not going to feel good unless the Bulls can steal game 2 as well. It will be interesting to see what the Cavs do about the pick n roll tonight, which ate them up about as bad as it's eaten up any team the Bulls played this year.
Gasol absolutely tore them apart on those pick and pops. He is one of the most consistent jump shooters from that elbow area I've ever seen
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Man wade's really has really gone underground since Game 6.
Was thinking the same thing. Too funny.
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Yes.
I'm not going to feel good unless the Bulls can steal game 2 as well. It will be interesting to see what the Cavs do about the pick n roll tonight, which ate them up about as bad as it's eaten up any team the Bulls played this year.
That's what I was thinking. On the bright side Shumpert isn't going to have another offensive game like he did last time, so if Lebron gets remotely shut down like he did last game we're in for a good time tonight.
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Man wade's really has really gone underground since Game 6.
I'm just waiting for a post from him about how the Bulls and Cavs series is going to be determined by whoever has the SOFTEST players.
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That's what I was thinking. On the bright side Shumpert isn't going to have another offensive game like he did last time, so if Lebron gets remotely shut down like he did last game we're in for a good time tonight.
BpB, don't doubt your fellow Huskie! He led the way with those 3 three pointers early in the 1st Q tonight (unfortunately).
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BpB, don't doubt your fellow Huskie! He led the way with those 3 three pointers early in the 1st Q tonight (unfortunately).
I know I was staring at my Knicks jersey of his and just longing for him to be back on that team. >:(
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Big picture, the Bulls may have been better off sitting Rose for the second half last night. He's been significantly better with 2 days off and with games 3-6 being played every other day. You obviously never want to give away a playoff game, but why not accept your fate, take your road split and go back home with a little extra rest for Rose?
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Big picture, the Bulls may have been better off sitting Rose for the second half last night. He's been significantly better with 2 days off and with games 3-6 being played every other day. You obviously never want to give away a playoff game, but why not accept your fate, take your road split and go back home with a little extra rest for Rose?
Thibs was playing Noah in the fourth quarter when they were up 57 against the Bucks. How can they win EVERY POSSESSION without Rose in the game?
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Big picture, the Bulls may have been better off sitting Rose for the second half last night. He's been significantly better with 2 days off and with games 3-6 being played every other day. You obviously never want to give away a playoff game, but why not accept your fate, take your road split and go back home with a little extra rest for Rose?
That would require Thibs to have strategic vision.
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Thibs was playing Noah in the fourth quarter when they were up 57 against the Bucks. How can they win EVERY POSSESSION without Rose in the game?
Yeah, the same Noah who's playing on one leg and is a shell of his former self. Watching him now, its hard to believe that he was a 1st team All-NBA selection last year.
As a Bulls fan, I'm looking forward to seeing Thibs on the Magic bench next year.
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Yeah, the same Noah who's playing on one leg and is a shell of his former self. Watching him now, its hard to believe that he was a 1st team All-NBA selection last year.
As a Bulls fan, I'm looking forward to seeing Thibs on the Magic bench next year.
Have to agree. Thibs doesn't seem to understand the role of rest and max performance in the current NBA. Very good coach, but a terrible manager of people.
Result last night doesn't bother me too much. Bulls actually won all 3 quarters after the first, but when you go down 20, that doesn't really matter. 1-1 after 2 in Cleveland is all you can ask for. That being said, Thibs has run this team into the ground again.
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Really, how dumb are people these days?
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2015-05-07/cavaliers-bulls-man-throws-woman-video
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Have to agree. Thibs doesn't seem to understand the role of rest and max performance in the current NBA. Very good coach, but a terrible manager of people.
Result last night doesn't bother me too much. Bulls actually won all 3 quarters after the first, but when you go down 20, that doesn't really matter. 1-1 after 2 in Cleveland is all you can ask for. That being said, Thibs has run this team into the ground again.
Say you need to win one game and could chose any coach in the league? Without question, Thibs would be my coach. However, a team is never going to win a championship (perhaps not even make the Finals), with Thibs at the helm.
His greatest strength, viewing the game through each possession, is his fatal NBA flaw. Honestly, the guy should be a college coach. The college game is set-up perfectly for his style.
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Yeah, the same Noah who's playing on one leg and is a shell of his former self. Watching him now, its hard to believe that he was a 1st team All-NBA selection last year.
As a Bulls fan, I'm looking forward to seeing Thibs on the Magic bench next year.
Note to potential NBA players, stay away from French basketball shoes.
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Say you need to win one game and could chose any coach in the league? Without question, Thibs would be my coach. However, a team is never going to win a championship (perhaps not even make the Finals), with Thibs at the helm.
His greatest strength, viewing the game through each possession, is his fatal NBA flaw. Honestly, the guy should be a college coach. The college game is set-up perfectly for his style.
Idk, after seeing what he did with the Cs at the end of the season and some of the plays he drew up, Brad Stevens might be up there.
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Say you need to win one game and could chose any coach in the league? Without question, Thibs would be my coach. However, a team is never going to win a championship (perhaps not even make the Finals), with Thibs at the helm.
His greatest strength, viewing the game through each possession, is his fatal NBA flaw. Honestly, the guy should be a college coach. The college game is set-up perfectly for his style.
Gregg Popovich? I agree that college would be perfect for Thibs, except maybe the recruiting part but on-court success would help out with that.
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Gregg Popovich? I agree that college would be perfect for Thibs, except maybe the recruiting part but on-court success would help out with that.
Hard to deny Popovich, but for just one game, still going Thibs.
In terms of philosophy though, Popovich is the anti-Thibs. He is always looking at what's the long-term goal is, and how does he position the Spurs the best to get there. If that means sacrificing wins in the regular season, so be it.
Frankly, I think Thibs in college would be similar to Majerus at Utah. Similarities between the two men are striking. Lives are nothing but hoops, live in a hotel, no wife/kids. I agree, I don't see him being a great recruiter, but his teams would win, and success helps bring in talent. Plus, even in the NBA, he has identified guys that he can coach-up and win with.
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I was screaming about the terrible Rose isolation for basically the last 5 min, but a great finish. Bank or no I'll take it .
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Deleted. Thanks to Sultan for the correction.
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Joey didn't seem to make too much of a difference tonight. But the Bulls still will lose (currently end of 3rd, down 9).
I can't see them winning a game 7 in Cleveland either.
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Well, looks like the Bulls are gonna be down 3-2 after tonight...
Joey Crawford is reffing the Bulls/Cavs game tonight. Lebron has a career 25-3 record in playoffs with him as ref and 41-50 without
https://twitter.com/chisoxbarstool/status/598125284026552320
This is false.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/25nkz3/lebron_record_with_joey_crawford
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This is false.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/25nkz3/lebron_record_with_joey_crawford
Thanks for the correction.
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No problem. I saw that floating around on Twitter and didn't think it made much sense. It would have been talked about a lot more if true.
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I assumed it was true cuz I saw it on the Internet pipes.
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Tough series for the Bulls to probably lose here. A lot of close games. It seems like you have a big opening here with Love out and Irving hurt, but then you lose Pau and have your all-star Jo playing like a shell of himself.
This team as constructed is not getting over the hump. As frustrating as that feels, they really haven't even been that close to getting to the finals throughout this stretch.
I love Thibs, but it's time to move on.
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Tough series for the Bulls to probably lose here. A lot of close games. It seems like you have a big opening here with Love out and Irving hurt, but then you lose Pau and have your all-star Jo playing like a shell of himself.
This team as constructed is not getting over the hump. As frustrating as that feels, they really haven't even been that close to getting to the finals throughout this stretch.
I love Thibs, but it's time to move on.
They need an offensive minded coach. The defense these guys play is always going to be good, but they just can't consistently get it done on the other side of the floor.
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I thought it was interesting how much Chris Webber was calling out the Bulls offensively. He basically said, when they are out in the open court or frantically need baskets, they oftentimes get good looks, but when they slow down and run their basic offense, they oftentimes don't.
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Going to be a very different team next year. I think Dunleavy and probably Gibson will be gone if they sign Butler, which I think they will. They're not going to be championship material, but they should keep competing if Butler and Rose stay healthy.... hopefully they get one more year out of Pau.... Noah's best days are behind him. This will really test GarPax to see if they can keep this thing moving on the fly.
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I thought it was interesting how much Chris Webber was calling out the Bulls offensively. He basically said, when they are out in the open court or frantically need baskets, they oftentimes get good looks, but when they slow down and run their basic offense, they oftentimes don't.
He is a terrible announcer. He was right about the Bulls' offensive troubles, but the Jets comparison was totally asinine.
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Joey didn't seem to make too much of a difference tonight. But the Bulls still will lose (currently end of 3rd, down 9).
I can't see them winning a game 7 in Cleveland either.
Maybe not with his patent histrionics, but he was part of the crew that made the HORRIBLE decision to eject Taj, after going to the monitor and clearly seeing Delladova initiate that leg lock and hold for an extended period of times. Dual technicals would have been fine. The Bulls missed him severely down the stretch as they clawed back into the game. What a tool.
As for Noah being past his best years, keep in mind that he's not fully healthy and hasnt been all playoffs. Additionally, this is not a great series for him, matchup wise, but Thibs is overplaying him anyways.
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Next years Bulls team will be different, but some of the answers may be on their bench. Mirotic is getting totally inconsistent minutes (this will change) and I will wager both Paxson and Heard believe the way Thibs is letting McDermott rot on the bench is some kind of asinine statement against rookies. Jimmy hardly played as a rookie. Noah will also be healthier next year.
I honestly believe a big problem on this Bulls team is Rose. He's just not an effective scorer, yet he seems to think he's a "go to" guy. Hopefully, somebody can drum into him that, with his skill set, he'd be much more effective as an occasional scorer who sets up his teammates more often. He can't shoot and makes really bad decisions on important, late game possessions. He is very frustrating to watch.
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hysterical that some people here are complaining about the refs in this series. i believe somebody in this thread was called a meatball fan for saying that unlike in the bucks series where the bulls got every call, the cavs (specifically LeBron) would be getting the calls their way against the bulls. now bulls fans are crying over it and that poster has been gone since before the bucks/bulls ended their series.
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Next years Bulls team will be different, but some of the answers may be on their bench. Mirotic is getting totally inconsistent minutes (this will change) and I will wager both Paxson and Heard believe the way Thibs is letting McDermott rot on the bench is some kind of asinine statement against rookies. Jimmy hardly played as a rookie. Noah will also be healthier next year.
I honestly believe a big problem on this Bulls team is Rose. He's just not an effective scorer, yet he seems to think he's a "go to" guy. Hopefully, somebody can drum into him that, with his skill set, he'd be much more effective as an occasional scorer who sets up his teammates more often. He can't shoot and makes really bad decisions on important, late game possessions. He is very frustrating to watch.
Solid points, I agree. With Thibs gone, Mirotic role will only increase.
This season has been basically a complete waste for McDermott. Gets hurt and then can't break into the rotation. I'm not sold on McDermott becoming an impact player, but a new coach should offer a fresh start.
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Next years Bulls team will be different, but some of the answers may be on their bench. Mirotic is getting totally inconsistent minutes (this will change) and I will wager both Paxson and Heard believe the way Thibs is letting McDermott rot on the bench is some kind of asinine statement against rookies. Jimmy hardly played as a rookie. Noah will also be healthier next year.
I honestly believe a big problem on this Bulls team is Rose. He's just not an effective scorer, yet he seems to think he's a "go to" guy. Hopefully, somebody can drum into him that, with his skill set, he'd be much more effective as an occasional scorer who sets up his teammates more often. He can't shoot and makes really bad decisions on important, late game possessions. He is very frustrating to watch.
I'm a big D-Rose fan but the Bulls need him to understand that he is no longer the best player on the team.
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hysterical that some people here are complaining about the refs in this series. i believe somebody in this thread was called a meatball fan for saying that unlike in the bucks series where the bulls got every call, the cavs (specifically LeBron) would be getting the calls their way against the bulls. now bulls fans are crying over it and that poster has been gone since before the bucks/bulls ended their series.
You believe it was the correct call to eject Taj Gibson last night?
And I don't think a single person here has claimed the refs cost anyone the game for the Bulls.
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Next years Bulls team will be different, but some of the answers may be on their bench. Mirotic is getting totally inconsistent minutes (this will change) and I will wager both Paxson and Heard believe the way Thibs is letting McDermott rot on the bench is some kind of asinine statement against rookies. Jimmy hardly played as a rookie. Noah will also be healthier next year.
I honestly believe a big problem on this Bulls team is Rose. He's just not an effective scorer, yet he seems to think he's a "go to" guy. Hopefully, somebody can drum into him that, with his skill set, he'd be much more effective as an occasional scorer who sets up his teammates more often. He can't shoot and makes really bad decisions on important, late game possessions. He is very frustrating to watch.
That's a tough one. I think it's hard to say that he's a problem. Clearly you're a better team with him, but certainly the way he is allowed to play is troubling a lot of the time. Thibs is the one calling timeouts and then just letting him dribble out the clock when there are still 4 minutes left in the game.
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hysterical that some people here are complaining about the refs in this series. i believe somebody in this thread was called a meatball fan for saying that unlike in the bucks series where the bulls got every call, the cavs (specifically LeBron) would be getting the calls their way against the bulls. now bulls fans are crying over it and that poster has been gone since before the bucks/bulls ended their series.
There's no way to justify ejecting Taj for that play. It should have been a double T if anything.
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Absolutely embarrassing, pathetic.
You could always count on the Bulls to at least play hard, this team tonight didn't come close.
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sometimes you just get flat out beat.
now the more important question is with the salary cap set to skyrocket after next season, does that mean that the max contract allowed to a player will skyrocket after next season as well? if so, would it be smart for butler to re-up with the bulls for 1 year? if he did that is he an unrestricted free agent after next season or still restricted?
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Absolutely embarrassing, pathetic.
You could always count on the Bulls to at least play hard, this team tonight didn't come close.
You may be right. James, Irving, and Love scored a total of 21 points and the Cavs still won easily.
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You may be right. James, Irving, and Love scored a total of 21 points and the Cavs still won easily.
Hey, you can't stop Matthew Dellavedova ... you can only hope to contain him.
And they couldn't!
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Solid points, I agree. With Thibs gone, Mirotic role will only increase.
This season has been basically a complete waste for McDermott. Gets hurt and then can't break into the rotation. I'm not sold on McDermott becoming an impact player, but a new coach should offer a fresh start.
McFlopper has not shown anything that he deserves to play. I hope he continues to rot on the bench and this is coming from a Bulls fan.
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McFlopper has not shown anything that he deserves to play. I hope he continues to rot on the bench and this is coming from a Bulls fan.
We'll see. Thibs hates rookies and McD was hurt much of the year. A new coach and a new year will be good for him.
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sometimes you just get flat out beat.
now the more important question is with the salary cap set to skyrocket after next season, does that mean that the max contract allowed to a player will skyrocket after next season as well? if so, would it be smart for butler to re-up with the bulls for 1 year? if he did that is he an unrestricted free agent after next season or still restricted?
That's a dangerous game to play, as I don't think JFB's stock could be any higher than it is right now. I am not smart enough to know the answer to the second part of your question.
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That's a dangerous game to play, as I don't think JFB's stock could be any higher than it is right now.
I would tend to agree with that. Jimmy bet on himself last summer and won big. He's in position to cash in his winnings right now and be pretty much set for life. No need to get greedy. History is full of stories of guys who made one bet too many. If you're already set (like Lebron and some other veterans), it might make sense to go with a short term deal in order to take advantage of the new cap. But right now, I think Jimmy should just secure the big contract.
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McFlopper has not shown anything that he deserves to play. I hope he continues to rot on the bench and this is coming from a Bulls fan.
As another Bulls fan I totally disagree. I have no idea what he'll be, and even if the answer is "a complete bust", you have to try considering what they gave up to move up for him. You really can't get better if you never play though, and given the still sorry state of the east, you're not going to need to claw for every W to get into the playoffs.
I'll be really interested to see what they can get for Thibs. Doc was a first rounder. Kidd was 2 second rounders. Thibs falls somewhere in between that....
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As another Bulls fan I totally disagree. I have no idea what he'll be, and even if the answer is "a complete bust", you have to try considering what they gave up to move up for him. You really can't get better if you never play though, and given the still sorry state of the east, you're not going to need to claw for every W to get into the playoffs.
I'll be really interested to see what they can get for Thibs. Doc was a first rounder. Kidd was 2 second rounders. Thibs falls somewhere in between that....
Second round at best. Everybody knows that the Bulls don't want him.
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Second round at best. Everybody knows that the Bulls don't want him.
It's more that other teams want him. Market is hot for Thibs (Orlando, New Orleans, Cleveland). Demand here will dictate the price, more so than the Bulls willingness to part ways.
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It's more that other teams want him. Market is hot for Thibs (Orlando, New Orleans, Cleveland). Demand here will dictate the price, more so than the Bulls willingness to part ways.
I forgot that the Pelicans fired Williams so I thought that Orlando was the only one who would be interested.
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I forgot that the Pelicans fired Williams so I thought that Orlando was the only one who would be interested.
A baffling move in my opinion.
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sometimes you just get flat out beat.
now the more important question is with the salary cap set to skyrocket after next season, does that mean that the max contract allowed to a player will skyrocket after next season as well? if so, would it be smart for butler to re-up with the bulls for 1 year? if he did that is he an unrestricted free agent after next season or still restricted?
Max contracts will go up when the cap goes up because they are based on a percentage of the salary cap.
The Bulls can make Jimmy a 1-year qualifying offer (in Jimmy's case around $4.5) which would make him a restricted free agent. If he signs that deal, he plays on a 1-year, $4.5M deal and becomes an unrestricted free agent after next season (Greg Monroe did that with Detroit this season). If he does not sign it, he's free to sign an offer sheet with any team that the Bulls have the option of matching. If the Bulls don't extend a qualifying offer (highly unlikely), he'd become an unrestricted free agent this summer.
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Max contracts will go up when the cap goes up because they are based on a percentage of the salary cap.
The Bulls can make Jimmy a 1-year qualifying offer (in Jimmy's case around $4.5) which would make him a restricted free agent. If he signs that deal, he plays on a 1-year, $4.5M deal and becomes an unrestricted free agent after next season (Greg Monroe did that with Detroit this season). If he does not sign it, he's free to sign an offer sheet with any team that the Bulls have the option of matching. If the Bulls don't extend a qualifying offer (highly unlikely), he'd become an unrestricted free agent this summer.
I will be absolutely stunned if Jimmy does not sign a long-term extension with the Bulls, whether it be them offering him a max or near-max deal or matching an offer sheet from another team.