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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on April 01, 2015, 06:49:59 PM
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As if we need any other reason to root for Kentucky Saturday night, I had not heard Towns's story until today. I have been impressed from the little bit I've seen him talk in post game interviews and such, but he is obviously a very well raised kid who is mature beyond his years. I also did not know he would've been a senior in high school this year but graduated high school in 3 years. Worth the read:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2015/story/_/id/12595135/kentucky-wildcats-karl-anthony-towns-big-man-big-game-big-heart
Also, if you haven't seen his Gatorade speech or his commitment to UK they're worth a watch too. Impressive kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XA0gqnT1bM
http://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/karl-anthony-towns-delivers-emotional-gatorade-athlete-year-speech-video/
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His offensive game is ridiculously good for a frosh. Maybe not as powerful as okafor. Would be a fun matchup to watch
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I also did not know he would've been a senior in high school this year but graduated high school in 3 years.
He old tho. Older did Okafor and most (all?) of his NCAA lottery-projected counterparts.
Would watch him in the gym with Sports U... thought he wasn't living up to his potential most of the time. Only 8 3FGA this year - good.
Amazing year for him.
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He old tho. Older did Okafor and most (all?) of his NCAA lottery-projected counterparts.
Would watch him in the gym with Sports U... thought he wasn't living up to his potential most of the time. Only 8 3FGA this year - good.
Amazing year for him.
Interesting. So he was a year older than his class originally and then reclassified to be just an old kid for his grade, but not like a full year ahead of his grade?
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Interesting. So he was a year older than his class originally and then reclassified to be just an old kid for his grade, but not like a full year ahead of his grade?
YUS!
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I have decided to ensure a badgers loss by betting a grand on them to win straight up.
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I have decided to ensure a badgers loss by betting a grand on them to win straight up.
Thank you for your efforts.
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I have decided to ensure a badgers loss by betting a grand on them to win straight up.
Now that's dedication. Wow.
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I have decided to ensure a badgers loss by betting a grand on them to win straight up.
I went $500 with the points. Seems like easy money to me. At least in my situation I can make money and they can still lose. ;)
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I gave two Badger buddies the Badgers +10. Bucky gets flat out drilled on Saturday. This might end being MU/Kansas FF replay.
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I gave two Badger buddies the Badgers +10. Bucky gets flat out drilled on Saturday. This might end being MU/Kansas FF replay.
Crean ain't on Wisco's sideline, ai'na?
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I gave two Badger buddies the Badgers +10. Bucky gets flat out drilled on Saturday. This might end being MU/Kansas FF replay.
I would be surprised if the Badgers lose by more than ten points. If the Wildcats were an offensive juggernaut then I would agree but they win on the defensive side of the ball. The Badgers are an extremely efficient offense. They will score at least 60 points. I don't see Kentucky putting up 70+ points.
I say Kentucky by four.
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I say Bucky won't score 55 points. UK is on a mission and my gut says they take no prisoners.
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I gave two Badger buddies the Badgers +10. Bucky gets flat out drilled on Saturday. This might end being MU/Kansas FF replay.
10 is aggressive, but I agree. Kentucky received their wakeup call last weekend. This one will be all kentucky.
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Crean ain't on Wisco's sideline, ai'na?
Coach K is....after his 30 point loss in the finals
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I say Bucky won't score 55 points. UK is on a mission and my gut says they take no prisoners.
Would love it if you are right.
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I say Bucky won't score 55 points. UK is on a mission and my gut says they take no prisoners.
I went with the field before the tournament started and I'm not backing down now. Thought the SEC was fairly weak this year and they almost got snipped several times. I hope you are right, but I think Wisconsin plays them very tough, might straight out win, but will cover.
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Coach K is....after his 30 point loss in the finals
Coach K also has 10 other Final Four appearances (this year makes 11 other appearances), including 4 National Championships and 3 National Championship losses. Crean has 1 Final Four appearance and it was the worst loss in the history of the Final Four.
Just getting facts straight, not hating on Crean or backing K, ai'na?
Lemme guess, crapshoot?
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Coach K also has 10 other Final Four appearances (this year makes 11 other appearances), including 4 National Championships and 3 National Championship losses. Crean has 1 Final Four appearance and it was the worst loss in the history of the Final Four.
Just getting facts straight, not hating on Crean or backing K, ai'na?
Lemme guess, crapshoot?
Exactly, so a coach that accomplished can get drilled in a Final Four then any coach can get drilled. That's the point. No one is immune to it. No one. Coach K also has two losses as a 2 seed in the second round. It can happen to anyone.
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Exactly, so a coach that accomplished can get drilled in a Final Four then any coach can get drilled. That's the point. No one is immune to it. No one. Coach K also has two losses as a 2 seed in the second round. It can happen to anyone.
Coach K was about as accomplished as Crean was at that point. Let's not try to rewrite history as if that happened after his 4 Titles.
Lemme know when Crean heads back to even 1 other FF.
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Coach K was about as accomplished as Crean was at that point. Let's not try to rewrite history as if that happened after his 4 Titles.
Lemme know when Crean heads back to even 1 other FF.
What? Now you're just completely talking out of your arse.
Coach K lost as a 2 seed and a 3 seed in their first games in the last 3 years. Are you saying Coach K wasn't accomplished in the last 3 years?
When Coach K got drilled in the Final Four, he had already been to two Final Fours before that Final Four in which they got annihilated.
Again....any coach and his team can lose or get drilled at any time. Coach K has shown that on many occasions...if someone as accomplished as he is can do it repeatedly, so can anyone else.
Bob Knight's last 6 years in the tournament at IU went 2-6 with average losses of more than 20 points each. I could go on, but I believe the point has been made in crystal clear fashion.
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Interesting. So he was a year older than his class originally and then reclassified to be just an old kid for his grade, but not like a full year ahead of his grade?
Like Diener's dad did for him in Kinder, right?
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What? Now you're just completely talking out of your arse.
Coach K lost as a 2 seed and a 3 seed in their first games in the last 3 years. Are you saying Coach K wasn't accomplished in the last 3 years?
When Coach K got drilled in the Final Four, he had already been to two Final Fours before that Final Four in which they got annihilated.
Again....any coach and his team can lose or get drilled at any time. Coach K has shown that on many occasions...if someone as accomplished as he is can do it repeatedly, so can anyone else.
Bob Knight's last 6 years in the tournament at IU went 2-6 with average losses of more than 20 points each. I could go on, but I believe the point has been made in crystal clear fashion.
Coach K was far, far from the "accomplished" coach he is today when they lost by 30. He also lost to arguably the best team in the history of NCAA basketball. Coach K learned from that and has since won 4 National Titles (becoming "accomplished"). Coach Crean road a top 3 player of this generation who couldn't be recruited by high major schools because he didn't have the grades and a kid who was kicked off his former team so he decided he wanted to move home to a Final Four and took the worst loss in the history of the FF to a team that didn't even win the Title. And Crean's best season since is a Sweet 16. Don't worry, I'm not saying a guy who wasn't sleeping with someone else's wife is sleeping with someone else's wife, you don't need to "correct" anything. I'm stating facts. It's a complete apples to oranges comparison, but to you it's all a crapshoot and K is just lucky while Crean is just unlucky. I get it. We all do. You've stated as such a billion times over.
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I gave two Badger buddies the Badgers +10. Bucky gets flat out drilled on Saturday. This might end being MU/Kansas FF replay.
You're dreamin'. Wisconsin wins a nail biter.
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Kentucky wins convincingly before falling to Duke.
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The depths to which I despise Kentucky forced me to submit multiple brackets with them losing.
Wisconsin wins and then loses to Duke - it is the only bracket I have that's still alive...
So, yeah.
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Coach K was far, far from the "accomplished" coach he is today when they lost by 30. He also lost to arguably the best team in the history of NCAA basketball. Coach K learned from that and has since won 4 National Titles (becoming "accomplished"). Coach Crean road a top 3 player of this generation who couldn't be recruited by high major schools because he didn't have the grades and a kid who was kicked off his former team so he decided he wanted to move home to a Final Four and took the worst loss in the history of the FF to a team that didn't even win the Title. And Crean's best season since is a Sweet 16. Don't worry, I'm not saying a guy who wasn't sleeping with someone else's wife is sleeping with someone else's wife, you don't need to "correct" anything. I'm stating facts. It's a complete apples to oranges comparison, but to you it's all a crapshoot and K is just lucky while Crean is just unlucky. I get it. We all do. You've stated as such a billion times over.
So much wrong with this. Big Ten allowed prop 48's...you were shown you were wrong the last time you tried this line of argument. Are Big Ten schools not high majors all of a sudden.
Go look at Coach K's accomplishments before that blowout...they were very good. Now he better since? Yes. But guess what, despite being better since he still lost as a 2 and 3 seed in their opening games. Bob Knight, drilled by 20+ points to worse seeds in his last 6 years at IU...was he not accomplished?
Please...you are a smart guy and embarrassing yourself. It's the tournament and anyone can lose anytime regardless of how accomplished they are. Your examples to combat this are horribly weak. You are using facts...really?
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I say Bucky won't score 55 points. UK is on a mission and my gut says they take no prisoners.
So is Bucky....should be a good game.
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So much wrong with this. Big Ten allowed prop 48's...you were shown you were wrong the last time you tried this line of argument. Are Big Ten schools not high majors all of a sudden.
Go look at Coach K's accomplishments before that blowout...they were very good. Now he better since? Yes. But guess what, despite being better since he still lost as a 2 and 3 seed in their opening games. Bob Knight, drilled by 20+ points to worse seeds in his last 6 years at IU...was he not accomplished?
Please...you are a smart guy and embarrassing yourself. It's the tournament and anyone can lose anytime regardless of how accomplished they are. Your examples to combat this are horribly weak. You are using facts...really?
Nope, you're the one trying to compare Tom Crean to Coach K. Therein lies the embarrassment. Coach K lost by 30 to maybe the best college basketball team ever. He since then has won 4 NCAA National Championships. Tom Crean took the worst loss ever in a Final Four to a team that didn't even win the Tournament that year and has never been even close to another Final Four again.
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Is Wisconsin going to shoot 50+% from 3?
I can't wait to see Towns post up Frank the not so tank flopper. If he gets in foul trouble its going to be all wildcats.
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Is Wisconsin going to shoot 50+% from 3?
Probably not.
Notre Dame shot under 30% from 3 ... and it's a good thing for Kentucky because if one more goes in, it's ND in the FF.
And Wisconsin is better than ND. Quite a bit better, IMHO.
Is the line really 10? I thought I saw 5-6.
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Probably not.
Notre Dame shot under 30% from 3 ... and it's a good thing for Kentucky because if one more goes in, it's ND in the FF.
And Wisconsin is better than ND. Quite a bit better, IMHO.
Is the line really 10? I thought I saw 5-6.
Disagreed. ND's guard play kicks the crap out of Wisco's. ND was legit this year.
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Disagreed. ND's guard play kicks the crap out of Wisco's. ND was legit this year.
You are entitled to think ND was better. I disagree. The rankings disagree. Pomeroy disagrees. RPI disagrees. The NCAA committee disagreed.
ND was fortunate to win its first tourney game and very fortunate to get past Butler.
Sure, ND was legit, just as we were a legit Elite Eight team in 2013. But ND wasn't better than Wisconsin, a legit No. 1 seed and a legit Final Four team.
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You are entitled to think ND was better. I disagree. The rankings disagree. Pomeroy disagrees. RPI disagrees. The NCAA committee disagreed.
ND was fortunate to win its first tourney game and very fortunate to get past Butler.
Sure, ND was legit, just as we were a legit Elite Eight team in 2013. But ND wasn't better than Wisconsin, a legit No. 1 seed and a legit Final Four team.
The numbers also thought Nova was the best team in the East, Virginia was the 2nd best team, etc. The numbers are not always right. The numbers say Wisconsin is better than Duke. Wisconsin lost by double digits at home to Duke.
I guess we'll see. If Wisconsin is better than ND and all we've heard about is that Wisconsin is also the one team that can provide matchup problems for UK then we should expect a Wisconsin win given that ND had Kentucky on the ropes.
Guard play wins in the NCAA. Grant, Jackson, Caughnoton or however you spell it is way, way better than Koenig, Gassar, and Jackson.
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Guard play wins in the NCAA. Grant, Jackson, Caughnoton or however you spell it is way, way better than Koenig, Gassar, and Jackson.
And when Dekker shoots his normal percentage, the gap between him and Vasturia isn't huge.
Wisconsin is a hair better overall because of Kaminsky and Hayes. Will it be enough to beat UK? I doubt it, but we'll see.
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I don't think Wisconsin and Notre Dame are a very good comparison. They don't really play alike at all. Yes, both have white guys and shoot threes, but Notre Dame is far more an attacking, transition team. Grant and Auguste are the focal points, but they have five guys that they rely on regularly to put up big points.
Wisconsin is a team that pounds you in the frontcourt. Yes, Kaminsky, Hayes, and Dekker can all step out and hit a shot, but they usually beat teams with their strength up front. There are other guys that can hit shots (Jackson, Koenig, Gasser) but it isn't like ND where they really expect those other players to score in order to win.
I don't know...I'm kind of sick of all the ND/Wisconsin comparisons. They simply don't seem very accurate. Yes, there have been years where ND and Wisconsin played similar slow-down styles. This isn't one of those years. Brey has changed how this team plays based on the abilities of Jerian Grant. Wisconsin doesn't have anyone remotely like Grant on their team.
I'm not saying Wisconsin will win or lose because of this, simply that what Notre Dame did to Kentucky has absolutely no bearing on what Wisconsin will do against Kentucky because they are vastly different teams.
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I think this photograph is about the perfect summation of Badger fans in the state of WI, and the reason I can't stand the their non-alum fans.
"Hey honey, at work they were talking about the Badgers being in the Final Four, time to gear up. To Kohl's we go."
(http://media.jrn.com/images/660*414/b99474029z.1_20150402234636_000_grbaj5ij.1-1.jpg)
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I think this photograph is about the perfect summation of Badger fans in the state of WI, and the reason I can't stand the their non-alum fans.
Wife came home yesterday complaining about that exact thing, saying "I didn't go to Wisconsin, why should I automatically be a Wisconsin fan?" Her co-workers said that anyone from the state not cheering for Wisconsin shouldn't live here and that their team does things right and graduates everyone.
I was very glad to hear that she pulled up the graduation rate numbers article on the internet 8-)
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Wife came home yesterday complaining about that exact thing, saying "I didn't go to Wisconsin, why should I automatically be a Wisconsin fan?" Her co-workers said that anyone from the state not cheering for Wisconsin shouldn't live here and that their team does things right and graduates everyone.
I was very glad to hear that she pulled up the graduation rate numbers article on the internet 8-)
This made me happy, please thank your wife from Marquette_g.
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Biggest gripe I have with Badger fans is the large number that are not UW grads. If you went to Whitewater or La Crosse you are not a UW alum. At bar last week I asked at least ten people if they were UW grads and only two actually went there. My conclusion is if you did not attend college or went to other state school you are a Badger fan.
Really hoping Badgers get buried tomorrow night.
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I'm one of those rare Marquette season ticket holders who never attended MU. Whenever someone asks me what year I graduated, they are very surprised to learn I never went there.
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I'm one of those rare Marquette season ticket holders who never attended MU. Whenever someone asks me what year I graduated, they are very surprised to learn I never went there.
Same here. Almost went to MU, decided to go to a cheaper state school. Being around all the extension school Badgers fans actually strengthened my Marquette fandom.
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Biggest gripe I have with Badger fans is the large number that are not UW grads. If you went to Whitewater or La Crosse you are not a UW alum. At bar last week I asked at least ten people if they were UW grads and only two actually went there. My conclusion is if you did not attend college or went to other state school you are a Badger fan.
Really hoping Badgers get buried tomorrow night.
What the heck is wrong with that though? At least they're honest. Now I can tell by your comment that the Wisconsin hatred is based on jealousy that grads of neither school who are from the state choose Wisconsin to root for over MU.
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Jealousy that UW Ripon grad might not be MU fans? You made my weekend ;D
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I think this photograph is about the perfect summation of Badger fans in the state of WI, and the reason I can't stand the their non-alum fans.
"Hey honey, at work they were talking about the Badgers being in the Final Four, time to gear up. To Kohl's we go."
(http://media.jrn.com/images/660*414/b99474029z.1_20150402234636_000_grbaj5ij.1-1.jpg)
Yah der hey.
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Hope Wisconsin wins. Kentucky is simply a hired gun.
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Jealousy that UW Ripon grad might not be MU fans? You made my weekend ;D
What else would be the reason? They're not being disingenuous. It's common for property who go to neutral in state schools to root for the big state university over the smaller religious college.
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I never understand this way of thinking. Where I grew up all of the people that went to catholic grade schools and high schools all cheered for Marquette over what was then non existent Wisconsin. I can only think of a few people that actually went to MU. There is a ton of non alum support for MU in Milwaukee because it is the local school.
Why wouldn't some guy from Baraboo or Fondy cheer for Wisconsin? It's the STATE school. Same thing exists in every state in the country. It's arrogant to think you need to be a graduate to cheer for the school.
WI is unique because there is only 1 D1 football team and 2 major Bball programs. SO unlike Michigan or Florida the state isn't very divided
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Hope Wisconsin wins. Kentucky is simply a hired gun.
They're all hired guns. Some are just talented enough to only be hired for one season.
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I never understand this way of thinking. Where I grew up all of the people that went to catholic grade schools and high schools all cheered for Marquette over what was then non existent Wisconsin. I can only think of a few people that actually went to MU. There is a ton of non alum support for MU in Milwaukee because it is the local school.
Why wouldn't some guy from Baraboo or Fondy cheer for Wisconsin? It's the STATE school. Same thing exists in every state in the country. It's arrogant to think you need to be a graduate to cheer for the school.
WI is unique because there is only 1 D1 football team and 2 major Bball programs. SO unlike Michigan or Florida the state isn't very divided
People can cheer for whoever the hell they want...even UW. However, I have no interest in listening to them drone on about the Vadgers' supposed greatness.
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I never understand this way of thinking. Where I grew up all of the people that went to catholic grade schools and high schools all cheered for Marquette over what was then non existent Wisconsin. I can only think of a few people that actually went to MU. There is a ton of non alum support for MU in Milwaukee because it is the local school.
Why wouldn't some guy from Baraboo or Fondy cheer for Wisconsin? It's the STATE school. Same thing exists in every state in the country. It's arrogant to think you need to be a graduate to cheer for the school.
WI is unique because there is only 1 D1 football team and 2 major Bball programs. SO unlike Michigan or Florida the state isn't very divided
I never understand why fans of other fanbases would come here when they are on the verge of a Final Four. I don't tend to visit other sites unless there is pertinent, immediate Marquette related news. Maybe the occasional schadenfreude (yesterday's ShakaWatch meltdown at VCU was kind of fun), but so many of you guys seem to spend near as much time here as you do on your own sites.
My issue isn't as much the non-grads cheering for UW-Madison, it's the expectation that everyone in the state should cheer for UW-Madison, and that many of the biggest Marquette haters are people that didn't go to UW-Madison.
To the first point, UW-Madison is a rival. That is reason enough for me to not cheer for them. Yet I constantly have (non-alumni) fans asking why I don't cheer for them. As though them being a rival and me utterly hating Bucky isn't enough, they act as if it's some obligation of all people in the state. I never lived in Madison, I never went to Madison, and honestly, I can't stand the city of Madison, so why would I cheer for UW-Madison? It's senseless.
No one should be obligated to cheer for a team. UW-Madison is not my local basketball school, Marquette is. UW-Madison is not the school I went to, Marquette is. Many people didn't bother cheering for UW-Madison in the 1970s and 1980s because they simply sucked. Yet those same people now seem to be obligated to cheer for them. My wife grew up a Duke fan. Liked Laettner, cheered for those early runs, that was her team and she still cheers for them. Yet she's called a traitor for not cheering for UW-Madison. She never went there, she has always cheered for a different team, why should she flip on the team she's enjoyed watching for 25+ years? Just because UW-Madison is good? That's stupid.
Second point should be self-explanatory. The most bitter Badger fan I know didn't go to UW-Madison. She went to a UW-System school upstate, yet constantly badmouths Marquette. Why? We're not a rival. Not a local rival, not a distant rival, we have nothing to do with her school. Yet her and countless other idiot Wisconsinites like her that have no connection or attachment to UW-Madison or Marquette feel this incessant need to constantly bash the school I went to and try to put us down for seemingly no reason. I honestly don't know why they do. But they embrace Frank Kaminsky like he's their own love child and crap on everything blue and gold despite having no tangible connection to either other than the geography that they were maybe born within 100-200 miles of the city of Madison. Many of these people are also Milwaukee natives. It amazes me how many people that didn't go to either school but are from Milwaukee end up cheering for the Badgers and having a massive hate woody for Marquette. Makes no sense. Marquette is more their local school than UW-Madison is, yet they stick by Bucky like he's Ted Bundy in an ice cream truck.
So that's why I have that way of thinking. Screw UW-Madison. I hate the city, school, and team, and always will.
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Guard play wins in the NCAA.
This is often true but not always.
Is Dekker a guard? He has some guard skills, one reason he will be a first-round draft pick, but he is not a guard. He destroyed Arizona, a very good defensive team. Kaminsky destroyed their center. He was just named AP POY.
Kentucky has very good guards, certainly better than Wisconsin's. But Kentucky often wins because it dominates its opponents down low. ND had no prayer against Towns. Maybe Wisconsin won't, either. I certainly hope not because I will be rooting hard for Big Blue.
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I never understand why fans of other fanbases would come here when they are on the verge of a Final Four. I don't tend to visit other sites unless there is pertinent, immediate Marquette related news. Maybe the occasional schadenfreude (yesterday's ShakaWatch meltdown at VCU was kind of fun), but so many of you guys seem to spend near as much time here as you do on your own sites.
My issue isn't as much the non-grads cheering for UW-Madison, it's the expectation that everyone in the state should cheer for UW-Madison, and that many of the biggest Marquette haters are people that didn't go to UW-Madison.
To the first point, UW-Madison is a rival. That is reason enough for me to not cheer for them. Yet I constantly have (non-alumni) fans asking why I don't cheer for them. As though them being a rival and me utterly hating Bucky isn't enough, they act as if it's some obligation of all people in the state. I never lived in Madison, I never went to Madison, and honestly, I can't stand the city of Madison, so why would I cheer for UW-Madison? It's senseless.
No one should be obligated to cheer for a team. UW-Madison is not my local basketball school, Marquette is. UW-Madison is not the school I went to, Marquette is. Many people didn't bother cheering for UW-Madison in the 1970s and 1980s because they simply sucked. Yet those same people now seem to be obligated to cheer for them. My wife grew up a Duke fan. Liked Laettner, cheered for those early runs, that was her team and she still cheers for them. Yet she's called a traitor for not cheering for UW-Madison. She never went there, she has always cheered for a different team, why should she flip on the team she's enjoyed watching for 25+ years? Just because UW-Madison is good? That's stupid.
Second point should be self-explanatory. The most bitter Badger fan I know didn't go to UW-Madison. She went to a UW-System school upstate, yet constantly badmouths Marquette. Why? We're not a rival. Not a local rival, not a distant rival, we have nothing to do with her school. Yet her and countless other idiot Wisconsinites like her that have no connection or attachment to UW-Madison or Marquette feel this incessant need to constantly bash the school I went to and try to put us down for seemingly no reason. I honestly don't know why they do. But they embrace Frank Kaminsky like he's their own love child and crap on everything blue and gold despite having no tangible connection to either other than the geography that they were maybe born within 100-200 miles of the city of Madison. Many of these people are also Milwaukee natives. It amazes me how many people that didn't go to either school but are from Milwaukee end up cheering for the Badgers and having a massive hate woody for Marquette. Makes no sense. Marquette is more their local school than UW-Madison is, yet they stick by Bucky like he's Ted Bundy in an ice cream truck.
So that's why I have that way of thinking. Screw UW-Madison. I hate the city, school, and team, and always will.
It obviously goes both ways, and this is where both sides should have the nads to at least respect the other team (maybe not root for them, but there shouldn't be such hatred amongst neighbors for college teams, high school hatred makes a bit more sense given the local nature).
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No one should be obligated to cheer for a team. UW-Madison is not my local basketball school, Marquette is. UW-Madison is not the school I went to, Marquette is. Many people didn't bother cheering for UW-Madison in the 1970s and 1980s because they simply sucked
This is exactly when choosing up sides as a very young HutchwasClutch, I chose MU, and have never looked back. They were the school I identified with because I grew up in a Milwaukee suburb. I sure didn't identify with UW over in Madison. I never went to Madison, except passing through, until I was in college.
Plus, I never went to MU, wanted to, just wasn't in the cards. But my father went to MU, several other close relatives were MU alums, thus further leading me to easily identify with MU besides the hometown factor as the school I was going to live and die with in the college basketball world. My uncle even played on an MU freshman team coached by Hank Raymonds in the 60's. (that too made quite the mark on an impressionable, young, HutchwasClutch!)
Last, I'm a traditionalist at heart, so throw in that MU was still good in the late '70's, into the 80's, I was just a little too young to remember the Al years and title, but I knew the story very well, and UW not only sucked, but was an absolute joke as a program, that cemented I would be a lifelong MU fan with the other reasons above. UW was just mocked and ridiculed during the 80's when I was a kid, I sure wasn't going to climb aboard with that loser, even as an alternative to MU. It was MU all the way, and I joined in on laughing and mocking at the joke that was UW basketball. They made zero tournaments from 1947 until 1994!! What more needs to be said about how rotten they were.
And like many here, I can't change who I am, and pretend to like them even a little now. My hatred for their basketball program runs as deep as it did as a kid.
Go Kentucky!!
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And like many here, I can't change who I am, and pretend to like them even a little now. My hatred for their basketball program runs as deep as it did as a kid.
That bit always gets me. People that act like you can just turn fandom on and off clearly have never had an emotional investment in a team. I'm sure it can be argued whether such an emotional investment is good or bad, but I am just not emotionally capable of cheering for the Badgers.
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Kentucky has very good guards, certainly better than Wisconsin's.
Not according to this Wisconsin fan, I mean JS beat reporter
http://m.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/wisconsin-vs-kentucky-basics-matchups-b99474302z1-298650611.html
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I think the Kentucky model is bad for college basketball. That's why I'd like Wisconsin to win just to keep Kentucky from winning. Plus, we have a tenuous family connection to Kaminsky. OTOH, I think that if Kentucky wins maybe college administrators will step up and do something to return college basketball to...colleges. Kentucky is like a team full of ringers invading your Wednesday night softball league. Heisenberg has a post about how the remaining top recruits are waiting on decisions from Kentucky's roster before announcing their college selections. How many years in a row will we have to deal with Kentucky and its NBA apprentice program before action is taken. (end of rant)
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CBSSports.com is lying about the Badgers. "flirting with 1.3 points per possession" is complete nonsense.
LNH Fact Check HERE (http://latenighthoops.com/fact-check-cbs-claims-badgers-scoring-1-28-ppp/#.VSAZI_nF-6M)
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Nope, you're the one trying to compare Tom Crean to Coach K. Therein lies the embarrassment. Coach K lost by 30 to maybe the best college basketball team ever. He since then has won 4 NCAA National Championships. Tom Crean took the worst loss ever in a Final Four to a team that didn't even win the Tournament that year and has never been even close to another Final Four again.
Not comparing him at all. I'm saying any coach can get drilled, regardless of how accomplished they are. Bob Knight got drilled continuously at the end of his career. It happens. Just as someone as accomplished as Coach K can lose to a Mercer or Lehigh in their first games. It happens. Boeheim, Self, Coach K, Knight and everyone below them.....EVERYONE below them.
Bo Ryan I would say is one of the best coaches in college basketball, until last year he had NEVER been to the Final Four. Many good coaches never get there.
I noticed you are backing down off the Wade couldn't be recruited by any other high major program....good call on your part, because he most certainly could have from all power conferences sans the ACC.
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Probably not.
Notre Dame shot under 30% from 3 ... and it's a good thing for Kentucky because if one more goes in, it's ND in the FF.
And Wisconsin is better than ND. Quite a bit better, IMHO.
Is the line really 10? I thought I saw 5-6.
The line opened at 6, down to 5. I was in Tahoe this week, walked down the block to the Nevada side and placed $500 on Wisconsin. I think Wisconsin is better than Notre Dame.
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Biggest gripe I have with Badger fans is the large number that are not UW grads. If you went to Whitewater or La Crosse you are not a UW alum. At bar last week I asked at least ten people if they were UW grads and only two actually went there. My conclusion is if you did not attend college or went to other state school you are a Badger fan.
Really hoping Badgers get buried tomorrow night.
They are UW alum....that's why they hyphen all the schools. Each school is a hyphen school, that way they can all say they are alum of the University of Wisconsin hyphen ___________
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Most people have a favorite sports teams long before 18. Why would college athletics be any different? Sounds petty..
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The line opened at 6, down to 5. I was in Tahoe this week, walked down the block to the Nevada side and placed $500 on Wisconsin. I think Wisconsin is better than Notre Dame.
Early retirement or bust, hey?
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I think the Kentucky model is bad for college basketball. That's why I'd like Wisconsin to win just to keep Kentucky from winning. Plus, we have a tenuous family connection to Kaminsky. OTOH, I think that if Kentucky wins maybe college administrators will step up and do something to return college basketball to...colleges. Kentucky is like a team full of ringers invading your Wednesday night softball league. Heisenberg has a post about how the remaining top recruits are waiting on decisions from Kentucky's roster before announcing their college selections. How many years in a row will we have to deal with Kentucky and its NBA apprentice program before action is taken. (end of rant)
Honest question, should that last part been in teal?
What can be changed to correct this "wrong"? What exactly are they doing wrong? To expand on your bar softball league analogy, is the NCAA supposed to just come and say, "you guys are too good so we are kicking you out of the league"?
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Early retirement or bust, hey?
My wife would kill me if she knew how much I threw at that game. ;) I just see Wisconsin winning, but hopefully they lose by 4 and it's a double win for me.
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Oh, I see. Another pw'd Scooper. ;D
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Honest question, should that last part been in teal?
What can be changed to correct this "wrong"? What exactly are they doing wrong? To expand on your bar softball league analogy, is the NCAA supposed to just come and say, "you guys are too good so we are kicking you out of the league"?
It is not Kentucky's fault that it plays by the rules as set up by the NBA and NCAA. Some people just don't get this.
I don't think Bo -- or many other coaches -- would have passed on Kentucky's 1-and-dones just because they are 1-and-dones. Hell, Coach K has been loading up on 'em in recent years.
Anthony Davis: "Coach Ryan, I really want to come to Wisconsin. It's my dream school."
Bo: "Sorry, young man. You are too good and you probably won't be around for more than a year or two, so hit the bricks and take your talent to Kentucky."
Um, I don't think so.
If and when the rules get changed, Kentucky won't be allowed to have 1-and-dones. Neither will Duke or anybody else. And some folks will have to find other reasons to bitch about Calipari.
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If and when the rules get changed, Kentucky won't be allowed to have 1-and-dones. Neither will Duke or anybody else. And some folks will have to find other reasons to bitch about Calipari.
The thing is, the NBAPA wants those kids to start earning as soon as possible. The only possible middle ground I can see is a system like baseball. You can go pro out of high school, but if you go to college, you have to commit to being there for 3 years. Would improve the game and allow for sustained star power, while getting rid of the kids that have absolutely no desire in being there. And it's the one system the PA might go for because it would get the biggest stars earning money one year sooner.
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Oh, I see. Another pw'd Scooper. ;D
Guilty as charged
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The thing is, the NBAPA wants those kids to start earning as soon as possible. The only possible middle ground I can see is a system like baseball. You can go pro out of high school, but if you go to college, you have to commit to being there for 3 years. Would improve the game and allow for sustained star power, while getting rid of the kids that have absolutely no desire in being there. And it's the one system the PA might go for because it would get the biggest stars earning money one year sooner.
That would be fine with me, though for some reason nobody remembered to ask me!
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In honor of today's game.
Aaron Harrison Against Wisconsin: https://youtu.be/0WQNR4R4AHQ (http://Aaron Harrison Against Wisconsin: https://youtu.be/0WQNR4R4AHQ)
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In honor of today's game.
Aaron Harrison Against Wisconsin: https://youtu.be/0WQNR4R4AHQ (http://Aaron Harrison Against Wisconsin: https://youtu.be/0WQNR4R4AHQ)
I think you meant this
https://www.youtube.com/v/0WQNR4R4AHQ&feature=youtu.be
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For what it's worth, I'm down in Champagne this weekend and all of my friends and other people down here said they usually cheer for the Big 10 to win except for wisconsin. They really wouldn't mind seeing wisconsin lose, so we're not the only ones who find their fans insufferable.
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For what it's worth, I'm down in Champagne this weekend and all of my friends and other people down here said they usually cheer for the Big 10 to win except for wisconsin. They really wouldn't mind seeing wisconsin lose, so we're not the only ones who find their fans insufferable.
Champagne for the weekend....did you lose a bet? Work release program? ;)
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For what it's worth, I'm down in Champagne this weekend and all of my friends and other people down here said they usually cheer for the Big 10 to win except for wisconsin. They really wouldn't mind seeing wisconsin lose, so we're not the only ones who find their fans insufferable.
You're like.. IN sparkling wine?
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You're like.. IN sparkling wine?
Phone auto corrected but I may as well have been last night.
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Freshman ineligible, baseball model, whatever. Allow these one-and-done's the option of playing basketball for a living in America rather than force feed them on the college game for one year. College basketball is being played by the NBA and it's damaging the product. I have no issue if any of these kids WANT to go to college and then leave for the NBA, but it's clear (to me at least) that many are at Kentucky (or Duke in Okafor's case) because they're prohibited from playing in the NBA and the D-League is not a financially feasible option for them.
I agree it's not Kentucky's fault and give Calipari credit for coming up with his system.
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Not comparing him at all. I'm saying any coach can get drilled, regardless of how accomplished they are. Bob Knight got drilled continuously at the end of his career. It happens. Just as someone as accomplished as Coach K can lose to a Mercer or Lehigh in their first games. It happens. Boeheim, Self, Coach K, Knight and everyone below them.....EVERYONE below them.
Bo Ryan I would say is one of the best coaches in college basketball, until last year he had NEVER been to the Final Four. Many good coaches never get there.
I noticed you are backing down off the Wade couldn't be recruited by any other high major program....good call on your part, because he most certainly could have from all power conferences sans the ACC.
Somebody said that Wisconsin was going to lose by 30 like Marquette did to Kansas in the FF. I said Tom Crean isn't on the sideline for UW. You then said neither is Coach K. That is a direct comparison of the 2 coaches. Direct. My point was we had a coach who was making his first ever Final Four appearance and he took the worst loss in the history of the Final Four to a team that didn't even go on to win the Title. You are the one who brought up Coach K, who has 4 NCAA Championships, 7 NCAA championship appearances (maybe 8 in about 3 hours) and 12 Final Four appearances, in comparison to the coach who has 1 Final Four appearance resulting in the worst loss in Final Four history, who has never been back to even the Elite Eight. Keep trying to twist what you said or what you meant by it, the fact remains you directly compared Tom Crean to Coach K. If that doesn't say it all I don't know what does.
And nope, Big 10 schools could not recruit Dwyane Wade. Very, very few high major teams could. We were lucky to be one of the very few who could. He thankfully fell into Thomas's lap, as did the best big man I've ever seen in Marquette's program. Those 2, plus arguably the best shooter in the history of basketball and an NBA point guard got embarrassed in the Final Four thanks to a complete lack of preparation. It looked like our team was prepared to play the Wisconsin team of 4 years ago that wanted to play games in the 40s. We were down by 29 freaking points with Dwyane Wade (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Robert Jackson (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Travis Diener (thankfully Crean was able to land him over some tough competition, good job Coach Crean), and Steve Novak (same as Diener) at halftime. I was in 8th grade and in the Super Dome and I was entirely embarrassed. It was as if we had no idea Kansas was going to get out in transition and push tempo even off of made baskets. Like we were living in the 1920s and you couldn't get video of other teams. Had no idea who we were playing. What a joke.
But yeah, who would want Coach K on the sidelines in a Final Four ::)
(http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000Qn5UzKx2PLA/s/750/750/m1k1991cav.jpg)
(http://www.survivingcollege.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1991-1992-Duke-Blue-Devils.jpg)
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(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/175/files/2013/07/Duke-Butler-ncaa-2010.jpg)
Compared to:
(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/lacrossetribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/c5/bc5dbc93-82eb-5ce2-8676-3eddfb6b028b/bc5dbc93-82eb-5ce2-8676-3eddfb6b028b.image.jpg)
Good comparison. Keep em coming.
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Not to interrupt your owning of Chicos and his constant fellating of Crean...
But MU's loss to Kansas was not the worst in Final Four history. MSU beat Penn in 1979 by a wider margin.
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Hey that Vitto Brown guy may not be the greatest basketball player in the world, but he can sure sing.
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Freshman ineligible, baseball model, whatever. Allow these one-and-done's the option of playing basketball for a living in America rather than force feed them on the college game for one year. College basketball is being played by the NBA and it's damaging the product. I have no issue if any of these kids WANT to go to college and then leave for the NBA, but it's clear (to me at least) that many are at Kentucky (or Duke in Okafor's case) because they're prohibited from playing in the NBA and the D-League is not a financially feasible option for them.
I agree it's not Kentucky's fault and give Calipari credit for coming up with his system.
Most of Kentucky's team chose to come back this year despite having had the option to leave after last season. On top of that, Karl-Anthony Towns was a straight A student through high school and is an incredibly humble and well spoken kid (great ESPN article that started off this thread).
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Not to interrupt your owning of Chicos and his constant fellating of Crean...
But MU's loss to Kansas was not the worst in Final Four history. MSU beat Penn in 1979 by a wider margin.
Ahh you are right. Not sure where I thought I saw it was the worst in the history of the FF. Must've just been the 29 point halftime deficit we faced that was the biggest halftime lead in Final Four history. I stand corrected. Penn outdid us by 1.
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Most of Kentucky's team chose to come back this year despite having had the option to leave after last season. On top of that, Karl-Anthony Towns was a straight A student through high school and is an incredibly humble and well spoken kid (great ESPN article that started off this thread).
Agreed, but as you note they had the option to leave after last season. Because of the NBA rule, they HAD to play last season. They didn't have the option to skip last season and go straight to the NBA.
Towns seems an impressive young man. Any of Kentucky players that WANT to play college basketball for 1, 2, 3, or 4 years are welcome to our sport. But I stand by my belief that the NBA is playing us (college basketball) because they benefit from the current model, and Calipari has leveraged that in a manner that does not benefit our sport as a whole.
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Most of Kentucky's team chose to come back this year despite having had the option to leave after last season. On top of that, Karl-Anthony Towns was a straight A student through high school and is an incredibly humble and well spoken kid (great ESPN article that started off this thread).
Alex Poythress is also close to a straight-A student.
Wonder why Duke doesn't get the same sh*t for one and dones? They start three of them.
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Somebody said that Wisconsin was going to lose by 30 like Marquette did to Kansas in the FF. I said Tom Crean isn't on the sideline for UW. You then said neither is Coach K. That is a direct comparison of the 2 coaches. Direct. My point was we had a coach who was making his first ever Final Four appearance and he took the worst loss in the history of the Final Four to a team that didn't even go on to win the Title. You are the one who brought up Coach K, who has 4 NCAA Championships, 7 NCAA championship appearances (maybe 8 in about 3 hours) and 12 Final Four appearances, in comparison to the coach who has 1 Final Four appearance resulting in the worst loss in Final Four history, who has never been back to even the Elite Eight. Keep trying to twist what you said or what you meant by it, the fact remains you directly compared Tom Crean to Coach K. If that doesn't say it all I don't know what does.
And nope, Big 10 schools could not recruit Dwyane Wade. Very, very few high major teams could. We were lucky to be one of the very few who could. He thankfully fell into Thomas's lap, as did the best big man I've ever seen in Marquette's program. Those 2, plus arguably the best shooter in the history of basketball and an NBA point guard got embarrassed in the Final Four thanks to a complete lack of preparation. It looked like our team was prepared to play the Wisconsin team of 4 years ago that wanted to play games in the 40s. We were down by 29 freaking points with Dwyane Wade (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Robert Jackson (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Travis Diener (thankfully Crean was able to land him over some tough competition, good job Coach Crean), and Steve Novak (same as Diener) at halftime. I was in 8th grade and in the Super Dome and I was entirely embarrassed. It was as if we had no idea Kansas was going to get out in transition and push tempo even off of made baskets. Like we were living in the 1920s and you couldn't get video of other teams. Had no idea who we were playing. What a joke.
But yeah, who would want Coach K on the sidelines in a Final Four ::)
(http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000Qn5UzKx2PLA/s/750/750/m1k1991cav.jpg)
(http://www.survivingcollege.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1991-1992-Duke-Blue-Devils.jpg)
(http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics9/400/VY/VYUNFYGCZGQQNIE.20060714164859.jpg)
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/175/files/2013/07/Duke-Butler-ncaa-2010.jpg)
Compared to:
(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/lacrossetribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/c5/bc5dbc93-82eb-5ce2-8676-3eddfb6b028b/bc5dbc93-82eb-5ce2-8676-3eddfb6b028b.image.jpg)
Good comparison. Keep em coming.
No, it's an example that no matter WHO is at the helm it can happen. You are right, it happened under Crean. You are correct. I said neither is Coach K, who also got crushed in a Final Four...I am also right....regardless of who the coach is, it can happen. I'm sorry this continues to trouble you with FACTS. I brought him to show it can happen to anyone, which it has...and will continue to. One of the greatest coaches ever, getting crushed in the Final Four, or losing as a 2 seed to a 15 seed, or losing as a 3 seed to a 14 seed....all facts...all to show you it can happen to any coach. Or Bob Knight, or Jim Boeheim, etc, etc, etc. We can play this all day if you wish, but it can happen to any coach.
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No, it's an example that no matter WHO is at the helm it can happen. You are right, it happened under Crean. You are correct. I said neither is Coach K, who also got crushed in a Final Four...I am also right....regardless of who the coach is, it can happen. I'm sorry this continues to trouble you with FACTS. I brought him to show it can happen to anyone, which it has...and will continue to. One of the greatest coaches ever, getting crushed in the Final Four, or losing as a 2 seed to a 15 seed, or losing as a 3 seed to a 14 seed....all facts...all to show you it can happen to any coach. Or Bob Knight, or Jim Boeheim, etc, etc, etc. We can play this all day if you wish, but it can happen to any coach.
Alright Chicos, you continue to think Duke is at a disadvantage having Coach K working the sidelines in a Final Four. You're entitled to your opinion. Doesn't make you look very intelligent, but you have every right to have that opinion.
Please take the last word. The pictures above say it all for me.
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And nope, Big 10 schools could not recruit Dwyane Wade. Very, very few high major teams could. We were lucky to be one of the very few who could. He thankfully fell into Thomas's lap, as did the best big man I've ever seen in Marquette's program. Those 2, plus arguably the best shooter in the history of basketball and an NBA point guard got embarrassed in the Final Four thanks to a complete lack of preparation. It looked like our team was prepared to play the Wisconsin team of 4 years ago that wanted to play games in the 40s. We were down by 29 freaking points with Dwyane Wade (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Robert Jackson (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Travis Diener (thankfully Crean was able to land him over some tough competition, good job Coach Crean), and Steve Novak (same as Diener) at halftime. I was in 8th grade and in the Super Dome and I was entirely embarrassed. It was as if we had no idea Kansas was going to get out in transition and push tempo even off of made baskets. Like we were living in the 1920s and you couldn't get video of other teams. Had no idea who we were playing. What a joke.
You couldn't be more wrong and several were taken to the woodshed last year on this.
Assuming the "big 6" are the Big 12, Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Pac 12 and Big East.
In those conferences from 1996 to 2004, these were the following policies by conference on partial qualifiers. Since Wade was a partial qualifier, the conferences below and their policies to recruit partial qualifiers. Man up, you were wrong...dead wrong.
Tell me again what conference Purdue is in? Tell me again how Glenn Big Dog Robinson wasn't a partial qualifer Prop 48. LOL. Other examples if you wish...some little school in Indiana called Notre Dame. Tell me again how Tony Rice wasn't a partial qualifier and a Prop 48 player...please, tell me. Would you like other examples?
Note that many of the Big 6 do have policies around partial qualifiers, but none of them exclude the university from taking PQ's. Some do limit the number to only 2 per year for a men's sport, but nevertheless they can be taken. The Big Ten and Big East have no such restrictions at all in place and can take as many players as they wish.
ACC Partial Qualifier Policy:
Effective 8/1/96:
Entering freshmen
– (First FT enrollment is ACC institution)
Maximum limit of 4 partial qualifiers per year per institution as determined by the institution may practice and receive aid (no more than 2 in men’s sports, and no more than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any sport). PQ must receive athletic aid.
4-yr transfer
must transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA and attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student to be eligible for aid, comp, practice. Any waivers require 6 affirmative votes (excluding involved institution).
Big East Partial Qualifier Policy:
No policy limitations on Partial Qualifiers. No limitations of any kind.
Big Ten Partial Qualifier Policy:
No policy limitations on Partial Qualifiers. No limitations of any kind.
Big 12 Partial Qualifier Policy:
Effective 6/96:
Entering freshmen
- No more than 4 partial qualifiers per year as determined by the institution may practice and receive aid (no more than 2 in men's sports, and no more
than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any sport). PQ status must be determined by 8/1 each year.
4-yr transfer
must transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA , attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student, and complete 1 yr in residence at Big 12 school for aid, practice, comp. NCAA 4-yr transfer waivers are not applicable.
2-yr transfer:
AA w/48S /2.00 & 3S at JC. 4(non-conf)-2-4 transfer : AA w/48S & 2.00
Pac 10 Partial Qualifier Policy:
Effective 8/1/97:
Entering freshmen fall 97 and thereafter:
No more than 4 partial qualifiers per year as determined by institution may practice and receive aid or compete upon fulfillment of residence requirement. No more than 2 in men’s sports and no more than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any one sport. Counts in academic year of original enrollment or when first reports for practice. All other PQs permanently ineligible for aid, practice, comp. Non-recruited, no athletic aid, no athletic admission, no practice
until 2nd year/no aid until 3rd year.
4-yr transfer (non conference) must meet all NCAA transfer requirements; transfer 48S/72Q degree credits with 2.00;
and attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student to be eligible for practice, comp, aid. Exceptions available for non-recruited transfers and some
foreign students. No waivers.
SEC Partial Qualifier Policy:
FT Enrollment as Freshman or 4-4 Transfer
– Maximum limit of 4 SA’s classified as PQ or NQ in men’s sports (limit 2 in FB and not more than 1 annually in any other sport). Maximum limit of 4 SA’s classified as PQ or NQ in women’s sports (limit 1 per sport annually). PQ must receive athletic aid. Limits do not apply to LD SA who is otherwise eligible for enrollment.
4-yr transfer
: Transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA, attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student; and have at least 2 seasons of competition remaining. 2-year and 4-2-4: Must have AA and 48S/72Q with 2.00 & attend 3S at JC; earn 6 credits of transferable English with 2.00; earn 6 credits of transferable Math with 2.00.
You were wrong. PERIOD.
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Alright Chicos, you continue to think Duke is at a disadvantage having Coach K working the sidelines in a Final Four. You're entitled to your opinion. Doesn't make you look very intelligent, but you have every right to have that opinion.
Please take the last word. The pictures above say it all for me.
You have lost your mind. Where on earth did I say Coach K puts Duke at a disadvantage...he is one of the greatest coaches the sport has ever seen. Show me where I said it? Don't confuse the fact I said that even the greatest coaches can get blown out in a Final Four game, or get beat by a 15 or 14 seed, or that Bobby Knight can get pounded by 20+ points in a number of his last 6 NCAA tournament games at IU as somehow saying they aren't great coaches. THEY ARE GREAT COACHES, and that's the entire point.
EVEN GREAT COACHES GET BEAT AND BEAT BADLY IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT AT TIMES.
GOT IT? I dare say you don't.
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Not to interrupt your owning of Chicos and his constant fellating of Crean...
But MU's loss to Kansas was not the worst in Final Four history. MSU beat Penn in 1979 by a wider margin.
He's been devoid of facts throughout this thread, don't throw him a lifeline
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Ahh you are right. Not sure where I thought I saw it was the worst in the history of the FF. Must've just been the 29 point halftime deficit we faced that was the biggest halftime lead in Final Four history. I stand corrected. Penn outdid us by 1.
Probably more like your biases continue to cloud your brain....but hey, Sultan is DEFENDING CREAN HERE by giving you facts. Isn't that the memo?
SMDH
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You have lost your mind. Where on earth did I say Coach K puts Duke at a disadvantage...he is one of the greatest coaches the sport has ever seen. Show me where I said it? Don't confuse the fact I said that even the greatest coaches can get blown out in a Final Four game, or get beat by a 15 or 14 seed, or that Bobby Knight can get pounded by 20+ points in a number of his last 6 NCAA tournament games at IU as somehow saying they aren't great coaches. THEY ARE GREAT COACHES, and that's the entire point.
EVEN GREAT COACHES GET BEAT AND BEAT BADLY IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT AT TIMES.
GOT IT? I dare say you don't.
Your fault for misinterpreting my original response about Crean not being on Wisconsin's sideline. I thought it was pretty clear but your reading comprehension must not be a strength.
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Probably more like your biases continue to cloud your brain....but hey, Sultan is DEFENDING CREAN HERE by giving you facts. Isn't that the memo?
SMDH
Haha. Thank god we only lost by 33 and not 34 like Penn Chicos. I feel so much better about that loss now.
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Your fault for misinterpreting my original response about Crean not being on Wisconsin's sideline. I thought it was pretty clear but your reading comprehension must not be a strength.
I read it just fine....your implication was because you don't think Crean is a good coach, the chances of them losing by 30 won't happen because Ryan is > than Crean.
Did I get it right? Do I get a cookie?
So, since I did get it right, and then provided you with FACTUAL information how other coaches, some considered to be at the TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN have also got crushed in the Final Four, you have then gone into spin mode and saying things like Coach K wasn't very accomplished at that time(FALSE), and MU only had Wade which no one else of any power schools could recruit (FALSE), that we only got there because of Wade (FALSE), etc, etc.
You have spun so hard on this one you don't know what to do.
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I read it just fine....your implication was because you don't think Crean is a good coach, the chances of them losing by 30 won't happen because Ryan is > than Crean.
Did I get it right? Do I get a cookie?
So, since I did get it right, and then provided you with FACTUAL information how other coaches, some considered to be at the TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN have also got crushed in the Final Four, you have then gone into spin mode and saying things like Coach K wasn't very accomplished (FALSE), and MU had Wade which no one else of any power schools could recruit (FALSE), etc, etc.
You have spun so hard on this one you don't know what to do.
It's not very hard. Seems like everyone else got it. Crean has been to 1 FF and took the 2nd worse loss in FF history. If he was on Wisconsin's sideline tonight they might lose by 30. But he's not. You brought Coach K into this one. Wasn't very smart. Please see the pictures above.
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You couldn't be more wrong and several were taken to the woodshed last year on this.
Assuming the "big 6" are the Big 12, Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Pac 12 and Big East.
In those conferences from 1996 to 2004, these were the following policies by conference on partial qualifiers. Since Wade was a partial qualifier, the conferences below and their policies to recruit partial qualifiers. Man up, you were wrong...dead wrong.
Tell me again what conference Purdue is in? Tell me again how Glenn Big Dog Robinson wasn't a partial qualifer Prop 48. LOL. Other examples if you wish...some little school in Indiana called Notre Dame. Tell me again how Tony Rice wasn't a partial qualifier and a Prop 48 player...please, tell me. Would you like other examples?
Note that many of the Big 6 do have policies around partial qualifiers, but none of them exclude the university from taking PQ's. Some do limit the number to only 2 per year for a men's sport, but nevertheless they can be taken. The Big Ten and Big East have no such restrictions at all in place and can take as many players as they wish.
ACC Partial Qualifier Policy:
Effective 8/1/96:
Entering freshmen
– (First FT enrollment is ACC institution)
Maximum limit of 4 partial qualifiers per year per institution as determined by the institution may practice and receive aid (no more than 2 in men’s sports, and no more than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any sport). PQ must receive athletic aid.
4-yr transfer
must transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA and attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student to be eligible for aid, comp, practice. Any waivers require 6 affirmative votes (excluding involved institution).
Big East Partial Qualifier Policy:
No policy limitations on Partial Qualifiers. No limitations of any kind.
Big Ten Partial Qualifier Policy:
No policy limitations on Partial Qualifiers. No limitations of any kind.
Big 12 Partial Qualifier Policy:
Effective 6/96:
Entering freshmen
- No more than 4 partial qualifiers per year as determined by the institution may practice and receive aid (no more than 2 in men's sports, and no more
than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any sport). PQ status must be determined by 8/1 each year.
4-yr transfer
must transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA , attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student, and complete 1 yr in residence at Big 12 school for aid, practice, comp. NCAA 4-yr transfer waivers are not applicable.
2-yr transfer:
AA w/48S /2.00 & 3S at JC. 4(non-conf)-2-4 transfer : AA w/48S & 2.00
Pac 10 Partial Qualifier Policy:
Effective 8/1/97:
Entering freshmen fall 97 and thereafter:
No more than 4 partial qualifiers per year as determined by institution may practice and receive aid or compete upon fulfillment of residence requirement. No more than 2 in men’s sports and no more than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any one sport. Counts in academic year of original enrollment or when first reports for practice. All other PQs permanently ineligible for aid, practice, comp. Non-recruited, no athletic aid, no athletic admission, no practice
until 2nd year/no aid until 3rd year.
4-yr transfer (non conference) must meet all NCAA transfer requirements; transfer 48S/72Q degree credits with 2.00;
and attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student to be eligible for practice, comp, aid. Exceptions available for non-recruited transfers and some
foreign students. No waivers.
SEC Partial Qualifier Policy:
FT Enrollment as Freshman or 4-4 Transfer
– Maximum limit of 4 SA’s classified as PQ or NQ in men’s sports (limit 2 in FB and not more than 1 annually in any other sport). Maximum limit of 4 SA’s classified as PQ or NQ in women’s sports (limit 1 per sport annually). PQ must receive athletic aid. Limits do not apply to LD SA who is otherwise eligible for enrollment.
4-yr transfer
: Transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA, attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student; and have at least 2 seasons of competition remaining. 2-year and 4-2-4: Must have AA and 48S/72Q with 2.00 & attend 3S at JC; earn 6 credits of transferable English with 2.00; earn 6 credits of transferable Math with 2.00.
You were wrong. PERIOD.
So what you're saying is that 2 players in an 8 year period went to high majors as partial qualifiers? Okay. So the point remains Wade fell into Crean's hands.
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Haha. Thank god we only lost by 33 and not 34 like Penn Chicos. I feel so much better about that loss now.
Some people live in a world that they can't enjoy anything. I enjoyed our first Final Four in 25 years that year, and defeating #1 Kentucky, #7 Pittsburgh....we haven't been to a Final Four since. We came close in an Elite 8 game a few years ago, but only managed to score 39 points....tied for the 2nd lowest in NCAA tournament history in the shot clock era for a Sweet 16 or later game....since you like stats so much. So there's that....oh, and that was against a team we already beat that season and played twice per year, knew them inside and out and were in our conference.
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Some people live in a world that they can't enjoy anything. I enjoyed our first Final Four in 25 years that year, and defeating #1 Kentucky, #7 Pittsburgh....we haven't been to a Final Four since. We came close in an Elite 8 game a few years ago, but only managed to score 39 points....tied for the 2nd lowest in NCAA tournament history in the shot clock era for a Sweet 16 or later game....since you like stats so much. So there's that....oh, and that was against a team we already beat that season and played twice per year, knew them inside and out and were in our conference.
And they knew us inside and out.
Bert sucks. Not arguing that.
I brought up Coach Crean's Final Four game. How hard is it? I don't know why you're bringing anything else up. I brought up his 1 game coaching in the Final Four. His coaching performance in the Final Four. It really isn't that hard Chicos. There is nothing more to it, nothing less. I brought up the 1 time Coach Crean coached in the Final Four. It was a great run to get there. I would take going to the Final Four and losing by 33 every year. Or once every 5 years. Or once every 10 years even. But all of that is besides the point. I brought up his one game coaching in the Final Four. Not. Hard. To. Understand. And nothing. More. To. It.
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It's not very hard. Seems like everyone else got it. Crean has been to 1 FF and took the 2nd worse loss in FF history. If he was on Wisconsin's sideline tonight they might lose by 30. But he's not. You brought Coach K into this one. Wasn't very smart. Please see the pictures above.
Yes, because even Coach K can lose by 30...exactly the point...which is why he was brought into it, to show you how in your shallow thinking you don't have the mindset to understand how other teams have been blown out even if coached by very accomplished coaches. They are pretty pictures, how come you didn't post the ones of Coach losing to Mercer, or Lehigh, or getting drubbed by 30 in the Final Four...those all happened too. Or Bob Knight losing by 20+ to worse seeded teams in his final 6 years....was Knight not an accomplished coach? LOL
It can happen to anyone....which I'm sure most posters also got here...if not, here are some reminders.
I guess Crean was coaching in that game at age 22 in 1990, and the last few years.
The irony of you keep saying to own Sharma and you can't own this is hilarious.
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So what you're saying is that 2 players in an 8 year period went to high majors as partial qualifiers? Okay. So the point remains Wade fell into Crean's hands.
No, I'm saying you were flat wrong....you still can't admit it. Big Ten and other conferences could take partial qualifiers.....just man up, own it.
I gave you two examples, and offered others....I did not say 2 players in an 8 year period. I GAVE YOU two examples, big difference.
And you accuse me of reading comprehension problems...Jeezbus H Christmas.
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So, watching the Duke Team Stream, it occurred to me that I hadn't seen a closeup of Tom Izzo or a single MSU crowd shot. Yeah, no matter how bad the announcers are, I'm watching the Kentucky Team Stream for the next game
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Yes, because even Coach K can lose by 30...exactly the point...which is why he was brought into it, to show you how in your shallow thinking you don't have the mindset to understand how other teams have been blown out by very accomplished coaches. They are pretty pictures, how come you didn't post the ones of Coach losing to Mercer, or Lehigh, or getting drubbed by 30 in the Final Four...those all happened too. Or Bob Knight losing by 20+ to worse seeded teams in his final 6 years....was Knight not an accomplished coach? LOL
It can happen to anyone....which I'm sure most posters also got here...if not, here are some reminders.
I guess Crean was coaching in that game at age 22 in 1990, and the last few years.
The irony of you keep saying to own Sharma and you can't own this is hilarious.
(http://gamedayrcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/coach-k-struggle-face-mercer.jpeg)
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1009015/coachk_1.jpg)
(http://cdn100.iofferphoto.com/img3/item/101/611/529/1990-ncaa-basketball-championship-unlv-vs-duke-8cc6c.jpg)
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Here you are with Coach K again. COACH K IS GOING TO HIS 8TH NATIONAL TITLE GAME! HE HAS BEEN TO 12 FINAL FOURS! You are comparing him to a coach who has coached ONE Final Four game and lost by THIRTY-THREE. You really are that stupid I guess. We were talking about the FINAL FOUR COACHING JOBS of coaches. Crean SUCKED ASS in his ONE appearance. Coach K got smoked by arguably the BEST COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAM EVER ASSEMBLED...AND HAS WON FOUR TITLES, WILL BE COACHING IN HIS 8th TITLE GAME MONDAY, etc!
Enjoy your argument Chicos. I'm not talking about first rounds, 15 2 upsets, one game out of a total of 20 total Final Four games. I'm talking about the totality of a coach's Final Four appearances. So have at it. Again, if you think Crean is remotely comparable to K in this regard, please voice it here. It gives me a great laugh.
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So, watching the Duke Team Stream, it occurred to me that I hadn't seen a closeup of Tom Izzo or a single MSU crowd shot. Yeah, no matter how bad the announcers are, I'm watching the Kentucky Team Stream for the next game
I thought the purpose of this thread was to compare Crean to Coach K. ?-(
My bad....
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Knight losing by 20 to Pepperdine
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This is after losing by 13 to 11 seed Boston College, and 18 to Colorado, and by 25 to St. John's, etc
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I thought the purpose of this thread was to compare Crean to Coach K. ?-(
My bad....
Haha well played. My bad for playing my part. "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." Won't happen anymore with Mr Chicos.
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I thought the purpose of this thread was to compare Crean to Coach K. ?-(
My bad....
Never was.....it was to show someone that anyone can lose big in a Final Four, including Coach K. Izzo just got drubbed today. What was better was watching him make stuff up about Wade and who could recruit him, claim that Coach K was equally accomplished as Crean when Duke was destroyed. Comical, absolutely comical.
I like Wadesworld a lot, but he is just flat wrong on this one and kept digging deeper, but complains often about others not owning up when they are wrong. Irony.
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I never compared K's resume to Crean's resume....you simply have a reading comprehension problem.
I showed you how wrong you were about your claim of someone getting blown out in a Final Four game...it has happened to even coaches going to their 9th national championship game.
Amazing when you just take a second to actually process things.
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I went $500 with the points. Seems like easy money to me. At least in my situation I can make money and they can still lose. ;)
Easy easy money
I'll buy drinks tonight.
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Easy easy money
I'll buy drinks tonight.
Way to go Chicos!
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Easy easy money
I'll buy drinks tonight.
Send one my way CBB, I'm gonna need one.
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I gave two Badger buddies the Badgers +10. Bucky gets flat out drilled on Saturday. This might end being MU/Kansas FF replay.
Sorry bro, but do you seriously watch hoops?
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Way to go Chicos!
The other guy put a grand down on the Badgers to win straight up....that's more ballsy. Good for him. UK was really good, but if you looked at their close games this year and the SEC's not so great overall play, it seemed to me Wisconsin was the type of team that would bother them.
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How in the world was that team undefeated this year. The horrendous shots they put up in the last 2:00 were unbelievable.
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I have decided to ensure a badgers loss by betting a grand on them to win straight up.
By far the most I have ever won on a single bet. But I would have much rather lost. I'm going to let it ride on the national championship.
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By far the most I have ever won on a single bet. But I would have much rather lost. I'm going to let it ride on the national championship.
Not the most I ever won, but in the top 10. Congratulations. I would have taken the loss by the Badgers and the win on the points. :)
You are going with UW-madison on Monday? What's the spread?
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Superbar (oops :-\ )