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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Fred Garvin on March 30, 2015, 04:33:54 PM
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Shaka talking to Texas? Thought that was Buzz's job? Done deal?
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Buzz to VCU.
Actually, Crean to VCU. He would hit it off well with whoever decided to hang the "Final National Ranking #6" banner.
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Mrs. Smart dodged a bullet last March. Just rewards have arrived at their doorstep this week.
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Buzz to Texas. Shaka to VT. Wojo to VCU?
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It sure is nice not to have to worry about Wojo leaving this year. I know we'd rather have a wining season and have to worry.
But, is it too much to ask that maybe Wojo won't float his name after a wining season? I sure hope so. We'll know next spring
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Report: VCU's Shaka Smart in discussions with Texas about head coaching vacancy
by Gino Bottero 18m ago
http://www.thescore.com/ncaab/news/734197
VCU head coach Shaka Smart is in talks with Texas about its head coaching vacancy, according to Jon Rothstein of CBS Sports.
Texas officially announced Sunday that it had agreed to mutually part ways with head coach Rick Barnes after 17 seasons.
Smart has served as head coach at VCU since 2009. In that time he's compiled a 163-56 record, making the NCAA tournament five years in a row, including a trip to the Final Four in 2011.
He guided VCU to a 26-10 record this past season and a No. 7 seed in the NCAA tournament, though the Rams failed to win a game, ousted by Ohio State in the Round of 64.
In the past five years, Smart has turned down vacancies at larger programs to remain at VCU, but a position at Texas could be too tempting to pass up.
Rothstein goes on to note that Utah's Larry Krystkowiak and Xavier's Chris Mack would be Texas's next targets if Smart were to turn down the Longhorns' gig.
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Report: VCU's Shaka Smart in discussions with Texas about head coaching vacancy
by Gino Bottero 18m ago
http://www.thescore.com/ncaab/news/734197
VCU head coach Shaka Smart is in talks with Texas about its head coaching vacancy, according to Jon Rothstein of CBS Sports.
Texas officially announced Sunday that it had agreed to mutually part ways with head coach Rick Barnes after 17 seasons.
Smart has served as head coach at VCU since 2009. In that time he's compiled a 163-56 record, making the NCAA tournament five years in a row, including a trip to the Final Four in 2011.
He guided VCU to a 26-10 record this past season and a No. 7 seed in the NCAA tournament, though the Rams failed to win a game, ousted by Ohio State in the Round of 64.
In the past five years, Smart has turned down vacancies at larger programs to remain at VCU, but a position at Texas could be too tempting to pass up.
Rothstein goes on to note that Utah's Larry Krystkowiak and Xavier's Chris Mack would be Texas's next targets if Smart were to turn down the Longhorns' gig.
why is Texas this supposedly super irresistible job?
Texas alone at the altar?
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Austin vs Milwaukee?? No comparison.
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It sure is nice not to have to worry about Wojo leaving this year. I know we'd rather have a wining season and have to worry.
But, is it too much to ask that maybe Wojo won't float his name after a wining season? I sure hope so. We'll know next spring
wojo is either leaving for Duke after 3-4 INSANE years here, or he'll be here for the longer haul. This assumes, of course, he doesn't crap the bed.
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TONS of oil money in Texas ...!
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wojo is either leaving for Duke after 3-4 INSANE years here, or he'll be here for the longer haul. This assumes, of course, he doesn't crap the bed.
If coach K would happen to retire in the next couple of years, who would be first up to be offered the Duke job assuming it stays within the Duke family?
Brey from ND?
If outside the family, Stevens? Not that he'd leave the NBA for Duke.
i don't know much about these type of things and the relationships and who came from what school.
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wojo is either leaving for Duke after 3-4 INSANE years here, or he'll be here for the longer haul. This assumes, of course, he doesn't crap the bed.
Just like Crean would only leave for MSU and Buzz would only go to Texas. Neither happened.
Wojo is not going to Duke.
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If coach K would happen to retire in the next couple of years, who would be first up to be offered the Duke job assuming it stays within the Duke family?
Brey from ND?
If outside the family, Stevens? Not that he'd leave the NBA for Duke.
i don't know much about these type of things and the relationships and who came from what school.
The time frame for Wojo to go back to Duke is 4+or- years after coach K's immediate replacement fails to live up irrational expectations and is fired.
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Texas deserves Shaka. Another big time prima donna. After his most recent BS, Would not touch him with a 10 foot pole.
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Austin vs Milwaukee?? No comparison.
Couldn't agree more. I absolutely hate Austin. Seriously.
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Rick was a good coach with a better record.
But he couldn't deliver the goods.
If Durant stayed one more year, it may have changed things.
Here's the list of Consensus AAs under him:
D.J. Augustin (2008)
Kevin Durant (2007)
P.J. Tucker (2006)
T.J. Ford (2003)
Jordan Hamilton (2011)
Chris Mihm (2000)
Not to mention LaMarcus Aldridge, Cory Joseph, Tristan Thompson, and Avery Bradley who are all current NBAers.
- 402-180 during his tenure in Austin
- three Big 12 regular-season championships
- NCAA tournament in each of his first 14 seasons there
- reached the Final Four in 2003 and made two other Elite Eight appearances
- Longhorns were ranked No. 1 in the country for the first time in school history during the 2009-10 season
Sounds like a Harbaugh firing.
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TONS of oil money in Texas ...!
Not anymore! Check the price.
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why is Texas this supposedly super irresistible job?
Texas alone at the altar?
Besides the athletic department's near capacity to print money, there's loads of talent in Texas.
Since 1990, only California has produced more Burger Boys.
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Shaka is 'in talks' with somebody every year. He isn't going anywhere until Mrs. Smart signs off.
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Couldn't agree more. I absolutely hate Austin. Seriously.
+1
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Shaka is 'in talks' with somebody every year. He isn't going anywhere until Mrs. Smart signs off.
#donedeal
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Respect the process!
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Couldn't agree more. I absolutely hate Austin. Seriously.
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Really enjoying visiting both cities.
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Couldn't agree more. I absolutely hate Austin. Seriously.
Austin was much nicer 15-20 years ago.
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Shaka is 'in talks' with somebody every year. He isn't going anywhere until Mrs. Smart signs off.
She will. Great city, tons of fun. Time for Shaka to step up to the big time.
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Austin was much nicer 15-20 years ago.
I'll bet you're right. I had never visited prior to 2014 when I had to go for business 2-3 times. I expected to be impressed. I wasn't. And that surprised me.
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I'll bet you're right. I had never visited prior to 2014 when I had to go for business 2-3 times. I expected to be impressed. I wasn't. And that surprised me.
It's gotten very big, very crowded, and hasn't managed that growth very well.
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It's gotten very big, very crowded, and hasn't managed that growth very well.
Yep. With that damn freeway through the middle of town as offensive as any that I have ever experienced. Those dozens of 10 story fly over ramps. Yuk.
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Besides the athletic department's near capacity to print money, there's loads of talent in Texas.
Since 1990, only California has produced more Burger Boys.
I absolutely hate the term "Burger Boys". It drives me nuts every time I read it here.
I realize that this is completely irrational and has no real place in this thread, but I really felt like it was time for me to get this off my chest. I feel much better now, even though I fully expect that my post is likely to result in more use of the phrase I hate rather than less.
Oh, and sorry for quoting you Pakuni for my rant. (In serious Robin Williams voice) It's not your fault... It's not your fault...
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Not anymore! Check the price.
What goes down will eventually go up. The old money doesn't even blink.
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Couldn't agree more. I absolutely hate Austin. Seriously.
Good man. Austin is a terrible place.
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Not anymore! Check the price.
Still plenty of oil money for the big shots. They just lay off the rank and file, cut their benefits, etc. Don't worry ... the rich, old, white guys are still rich and old and whiter than ever.
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Good man. Austin is a terrible place.
Love that BBQ though!
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Good man. Austin is a terrible place.
I'll take the food in Austin over Milwaukee every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And the weather 8 out of 12 months of the year.
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I can't wait for Shaka to leave VCU. Those smug fans on their messages board think he's never leaving.
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I'll take the food in Austin over Milwaukee every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And the weather 8 out of 12 months of the year.
And don't forget the music scene. And as far as attractive women, well.......
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And don't forget the music scene. And as far as attractive women, well.......
I love Austin. It ranks up there with Boston as one of my favorite cities. I just so happened to marry one of the attractive Austin ladies..........
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I love Austin. It ranks up there with Boston as one of my favorite cities. I just so happened to marry one of the attractive Austin ladies..........
Yeah Austin was a great time. And damn you. So what you mean is you went down there, found a 5, and brought her back to WI where she was suddenly a 10? Well done, that's my plan.
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And don't forget the music scene. And as far as attractive women, well.......
Completely agree. Wanted to take 2 things that I thought were slam dunks. I could see music and women deemed as subjective by some.
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I have been to Austin, Dallas, and Houston for week long stays. Austin was awesome. One of my favorite cities (maybe the Natty we won there had an effect on my thoughts of the city...). Dallas and Houston were dumps, if you ask me (and we didn't do too bad in those 2 cities either...so maybe the results weren't the only reason I liked Austin...).
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Completely agree. Wanted to take 2 things that I thought were slam dunks. I could see music and women deemed as subjective by some.
I have never been in a city with more attractive women than Austin.
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I will pile on with the Austin lovefest. I spent some great nights on 6th street and I love the UT campus area.
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Love that BBQ though!
Austinites don't know the first thing about good BBQ. You don't find good BBQ in a city that has any buildings taller than six stories. Will admit that they have some other good joints though. There's a place that serves up great Carribean food
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And don't forget the music scene. And as far as attractive women, well.......
Honestly, music scene is better in Milwaukee. Austin has as many shows and good venues but they charge outrageous prices. Compare ticket costs between Summerfest and Austin City Limits and you'll see what I mean.
As for the women, that's just Texas man. You can find that anywhere in the Lone Star State. And the Texan girls not in Austin don't wear that gawdawful burnt orange
Yeah Austin was a great time. And damn you. So what you mean is you went down there, found a 5, and brought her back to WI where she was suddenly a 10? Well done, that's my plan.
That's a real thing. A Texas 4 is a Wisconsin 10. I should know, I'm dating one!
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Honestly, music scene is better in Milwaukee. Austin has as many shows and good venues but they charge outrageous prices. Compare ticket costs between Summerfest and Austin City Limits and you'll see what I mean.
As for the women, that's just Texas man. You can find that anywhere in the Lone Star State. And the Texan girls not in Austin don't wear that gawdawful burnt orange
There is no possible way that the music scene in Milwaukee is better than Austin. Comparing large festivals and top concert venues is not a good measure for quality of the music scene. Go into just about any bar on 6th Street on any given night and you will see quality performers trying to make a name for themselves. You don't get that quality or quantity in Milwaukee.
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Honestly, music scene is better in Milwaukee.
You are kidding, of course...
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Yeah Austin was a great time. And damn you. So what you mean is you went down there, found a 5, and brought her back to WI where she was suddenly a 10? Well done, that's my plan.
I'm still in Texas. There was no bringing her out of Texas. Unfortunately we no longer reside in the Austin area, but in the future we both would love to end up there.
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I love Austin. It ranks up there with Boston as one of my favorite cities. I just so happened to marry one of the attractive Austin ladies..........
Boston. Boston? Whatsamatter, never been to Des Moines?
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Honestly, music scene is better in Milwaukee. Austin has as many shows and good venues but they charge outrageous prices. Compare ticket costs between Summerfest and Austin City Limits and you'll see what I mean.
As for the women, that's just Texas man. You can find that anywhere in the Lone Star State. And the Texan girls not in Austin don't wear that gawdawful burnt orange
That's a real thing. A Texas 4 is a Wisconsin 10. I should know, I'm dating one!
To add insult to injury, the BoDeans are now located out of Austin instead of Milwaukee.
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Shaka is a prick tease every year. It must suck for VCU fans to have to go through his flirtatious advances every March. UT and Austin may finally be a landing place for him because the political climate there may suit him and his wife. Austin is not what it once was, but the campus is nice and the hill country is very pretty. On the other hand Mrs. may not want to mess with happy and end up calling the shots again.
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There is no possible way that the music scene in Milwaukee is better than Austin. Comparing large festivals and top concert venues is not a good measure for quality of the music scene. Go into just about any bar on 6th Street on any given night and you will see quality performers trying to make a name for themselves. You don't get that quality or quantity in Milwaukee.
Correct, but nothing compares to Summerfest. The 2 weeks of Summerfest is better than anything they have in Austin, but other than that Austin is better.
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Good man. Austin is a terrible place.
Hey TAMU. I rolled past Tyler for the first time in my life about 2 weeks ago. Eastern Texas is very pretty.
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She will. Great city, tons of fun. Time for Shaka to step up to the big time.
Those weren't her concerns. She has a career.
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I love Austin. It ranks up there with Boston as one of my favorite cities. I just so happened to marry one of the attractive Austin ladies..........
It's funny that you say that because I lived in Boston and couldn't wait to get out. Great place to visit though.
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And I'm certainly not here to argue the merits of Austin vs. Milwaukee for anyone else. Just wasn't my cup of tea largely because of the hassle factor. Frankly it was many of those same issues that chick and I disliked about Boston back in the day. Lastly, I'm thrilled that Milwaukee has become somewhat 'cool' once again. 35 years ago we all had to leave because there was no opportunity. I genuinely believed I could never go back. But one and possibly both of my kids have decided to make it home for a very long time and adding smart young people in a revitalized place is a very good thing.
Sorry. I know this is about Shaka. #donedeal yet?
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Austinites don't know the first thing about good BBQ. You don't find good BBQ in a city that has any buildings taller than six stories. Will admit that they have some other good joints though. There's a place that serves up great Carribean food
Depends on whether you consider Saltlick to be close enough to Austin to count as Austin.
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Correct, but nothing compares to Summerfest. The 2 weeks of Summerfest is better than anything they have in Austin, but other than that Austin is better.
Yeah, SXSW is better than Summerfest and it's not even debatable.
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Yeah, SXSW is better than Summerfest and it's not even debatable.
Well if you want to plop down close to $1000 for 6 days of music maybe or $2000 for the whole venue.
They aren't even close to comparable events. SXSW is more like a convention of events. Summerfest has many more bigger name acts, South by southwest is mainly up and comers, which is ok but not the same.
BTW Stones opening Summerfest on the 6-23 announced this morning
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Depends on whether you consider Saltlick to be close enough to Austin to count as Austin.
Now here's a man who know good bbq. It's a good 30-40 minute drive from Austin. Like I said, you don't find good BBQ in a town with buildings taller than 6 stories.
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Now here's a man who know good bbq. It's a good 30-40 minute drive from Austin. Like I said, you don't find good BBQ in a town with buildings taller than 6 stories.
Otto's in Houston is pretty good as is Goode co. There is a small place on 290 outside tomball that has good barbecue as well and unbelievable chicken fried steak.
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Loved visiting Austin (wife went to law school there), not sure I'd enjoy living there for an extended time.
Yeah, SXSW is better than Summerfest and it's not even debatable.
And ACL > SXSW.
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And ACL > SXSW.
yeah but I heard it takes 6 to 9 months of rehab to recover
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Depends on whether you consider Saltlick to be close enough to Austin to count as Austin.
Shortly after the Red Rock casino opened (on our western beltway) a few years ago they opened a Saltlick restaurant there. I never ate there but one of my friends, who is a "foodie", did and said it was horrible. The restaurant closed after a short run. Not doubting Saltlick in TX is good. Sometimes you can't duplicate the original.
My wife and I visited Austin a few years ago and loved it. We flew into Dallas to visit friends and then drove to Austin and eventually San Antonio to meet other friends. Happened to stop in Lockhart and had BBQ @ Smitty's. Excellent! Looked like there were other good BBQ joints there too.
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Austin doesn't have Leon's Frozen Custard.
Case closed.
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Shortly after the Red Rock casino opened (on our western beltway) a few years ago they opened a Saltlick restaurant there. I never ate there but one of my friends, who is a "foodie", did and said it was horrible. The restaurant closed after a short run. Not doubting Saltlick in TX is good. Sometimes you can't duplicate the original.
My wife and I visited Austin a few years ago and loved it. We flew into Dallas to visit friends and then drove to Austin and eventually San Antonio to meet other friends. Happened to stop in Lockhart and had BBQ @ Smitty's. Excellent! Looked like there were other good BBQ joints there too.
That was purportedly the same Saltlick? You're right. It sucked.
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Austin doesn't have Leon's Frozen Custard.
Which is why there are so many posts mentioning the beautiful women in Austin.
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Depends on whether you consider Saltlick to be close enough to Austin to count as Austin.
I think that's where we went. Out in the boonies about 40 minutes outside of Austin? Just a giant barn looking place where they serve the meat by the 1/2 lb., smoke everything, don't give you any silverware, and just put meat and a mound of white bread on your lunchroom tray covered by a piece of wax paper? And when you ask what sauces they have they basically tell you "get the eff out" without telling you that? Incredible.
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Which is why there are so many posts mentioning the beautiful women in Austin.
+1. Well played.
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Which is why there are so many posts mentioning the beautiful women in Austin.
Well played.
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That was purportedly the same Saltlick? You're right. It sucked.
Part of the opening advertising:
Salt Lick BBQ Restaurant Review: “What a mess, what a meal” is emblazoned on the paper placemats that also serve as the menus of this barbecue emporium out of Driftwood, Texas.
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Austin doesn't have Leon's Frozen Custard.
Case closed.
Purple Door trumps all, hey?
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Purple Door trumps all, hey?
Purple door is unreal. Best ice cream besides the stuff I've had in Rome/Florence (Gelato, of course).
Very comparable between the two.
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Purple door is unreal. Best ice cream besides the stuff I've had in Rome/Florence (Gelato, of course).
Very comparable between the two.
Agree on both. Both are excellent.
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I think that's where we went. Out in the boonies about 40 minutes outside of Austin? Just a giant barn looking place where they serve the meat by the 1/2 lb., smoke everything, don't give you any silverware, and just put meat and a mound of white bread on your lunchroom tray covered by a piece of wax paper? And when you ask what sauces they have they basically tell you "get the eff out" without telling you that? Incredible.
Yup, that's one, in Driftwood. Incredible, incredible BBQ. Their sauce is somewhat mustard based, which is unusual for Texas; I think it is great, but even if you are not a fan of that variety, the BBQ itself is absolutely perfect without sauce.
They have a location north of Austin in Round Rock outside the AAA baseball stadium, and -- what I am about to say is complete heresy -- I think it is even better than the original in Driftwood.
That said, it is only the 2nd most awesome BBQ in existence. The 1st most awesome BBQ in existence is at Charlie Vargo's in Memphis. TAMU would approve of the fact that is located in basement only accessible from an alley.
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Yup, that's one, in Driftwood. Incredible, incredible BBQ. Their sauce is somewhat mustard based, which is unusual for Texas; I think it is great, but even if you are not a fan of that variety, the BBQ itself is absolutely perfect without sauce.
They have a location north of Austin in Round Rock outside the AAA baseball stadium, and -- what I am about to say is complete heresy -- I think it is even better than the original in Driftwood.
That said, it is only the 2nd most awesome BBQ in existence. The 1st most awesome BBQ in existence is at Charlie Vargo's in Memphis. TAMU would approve of the fact that is located in basement only accessible from an alley.
Yeah that place was incredible. When we asked about the sauces they just told us "No, you don't use sauces here. It ruins the meat."
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To add insult to injury, the BoDeans are now located out of Austin instead of Milwaukee.
You mean what's left of the Bodeans.
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Well if you want to plop down close to $1000 for 6 days of music maybe or $2000 for the whole venue.
They aren't even close to comparable events. SXSW is more like a convention of events. Summerfest has many more bigger name acts, South by southwest is mainly up and comers, which is ok but not the same.
BTW Stones opening Summerfest on the 6-23 announced this morning
Money is not a factor when it comes to a quality of festival, and aside from this year (which Summerfest has really stepped up) SXSW has a extremely higher quality lineup.
Summerfest is a regional event, SXSW is a global event.
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Yeah, SXSW is better than Summerfest and it's not even debatable.
SXSW is certainly getting bigger every year. Summerfest was an early pioneer of the festival scene, but so many more have come along. Cochella, Outsidelands, Bonnaroo etc.
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Which is why there are so many posts mentioning the beautiful women in Austin.
Made me crack up. Thanks.
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Money is not a factor when it comes to a quality of festival, and aside from this year (which Summerfest has really stepped up) SXSW has a extremely higher quality lineup.
Summerfest is a regional event, SXSW is a global event.
SXSW also isn't just a music festival--it's a huge tech startup and business atmosphere as well. Lots of meetings and seminars.
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SXSW also isn't just a music festival--it's a huge tech startup and business atmosphere as well. Lots of meetings and seminars.
Exactly that's why it's not comparable.
The affordability of summerfest is what makes it great. I bet there aren't many 19 year olds that can afford sxsw but they can come to summerfest every night. Yes ptm the cost does matter. Summerfest is a community sponsored event that is accessible to almost everyone and the acts are first rate and have been
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Exactly that's why it's not comparable.
The affordability of summerfest is what makes it great. I bet there aren't many 19 year olds that can afford sxsw but they can come to summerfest every night. Yes ptm the cost does matter. Summerfest is a community sponsored event that is accessible to almost everyone and the acts are first rate and have been
I think most SXSW shows are free, I think access to the popular shows is the big problem. Austin also has ACL and Fun, Fun, Fun fest on top of SXSW. There aren't many (if any) cities that can compete with Austin's live music scene.
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Exactly that's why it's not comparable.
The affordability of summerfest is what makes it great. I bet there aren't many 16-19 year olds that can afford sxsw but they can come to summerfest every night and walk around sloshed and/or high. Yes ptm the cost does matter. Summerfest is a community sponsored event that is accessible to almost everyone and the acts are first rate and have been
Fixed it for you.
Summerfest...meh. If there is someone really worth seeing then yes, it is great to have in MKE. But I would never go just to walk around and catch some music without planning on seeing someone specific.
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I think most SXSW shows are free, I think access to the popular shows is the big problem. Austin also has ACL and Fun, Fun, Fun fest on top of SXSW. There aren't many (if any) cities that can compete with Austin's live music scene.
That's why Austin is called the "live music capitol of the USA". Las Vegas can compete with anyone but most often it is not cheap.
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But I would never go just to walk around and catch some music without planning on seeing someone specific.
And most of the time it's so congested you can't walk around.
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Fixed it for you.
Summerfest...meh. If there is someone really worth seeing then yes, it is great to have in MKE. But I would never go just to walk around and catch some music without planning on seeing someone specific.
Maybe you're just too old to do that anymore? But after five years at MU (there every summer) I can say that even when there was nobody I really knew me and some buddies would go just to walk around and meet people, check out the vendors etc.
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Exactly that's why it's not comparable.
The affordability of summerfest is what makes it great. I bet there aren't many 19 year olds that can afford sxsw but they can come to summerfest every night. Yes ptm the cost does matter. Summerfest is a community sponsored event that is accessible to almost everyone and the acts are first rate and have been
I agree with you, except for 'First Rate', there's a lot of crap at Summerfest.
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Love how the Shaka thread has turned into Summerfest v SXSW. Classic 8-)
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Why does the replies to a topic get so off base so many times. Please stick to the topic!!!!!
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I agree with you, except for 'First Rate', there's a lot of crap at Summerfest.
Couldn't agree more.
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I agree with you, except for 'First Rate', there's a lot of crap at Summerfest.
There's a lot of crap at every large music festival. Summerfest has tons of first rate acts and is easily one of the best festivals in the country considering the price, quality of artists, location, etc.
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I agree with you, except for 'First Rate', there's a lot of crap at Summerfest.
First rate to you may not necessarily be first rate to younger generations. I can name plenty of first rate acts in their respective genres.
First rate in Rap: Kendrick Lamar, schoolboy Q, Public enemy, lupe fiasco
First rate country: F.G.L. Keith urban, Zac Brown... (theres tons there this year not going through them all)
First rate rock: Stones, Kings of Leon, Linkin Park, Kongos, Jane's Addiction, Sublime, Isley brothers,
Then theres first rate soul like aloe blacc, first rate irish like gaelic storm and flogging molly, first rate jam bands like phillip phillips, trampled by turtles.
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Why does the replies to a topic get so off base so many times. Please stick to the topic!!!!!
And get off your damn lawn!!!
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Fixed it for you.
Summerfest...meh. If there is someone really worth seeing then yes, it is great to have in MKE. But I would never go just to walk around and catch some music without planning on seeing someone specific.
This is exactly the opposite way that I've found to have fun at Summerfest. Summerfest is a great place to drink beer, people watch and listen to music. If you really want to see someone it is nightmare bc of the picnic table scene. Not caring who is playing makes Summerfest a blast, not the other way around in my opinion.
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I agree with you, except for 'First Rate', there's a lot of crap at Summerfest.
Given that your avatar is a reference to a 1991 SNL skit, I'm curious as to which band/s you'd like to see that hasn't been there recently? They have gotten some very selective talent as of late.
Granted they don't get everyone, but I think if you were to look at last summer's lineup they would certainly classify as "first rate."
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Exactly that's why it's not comparable.
The affordability of summerfest is what makes it great. I bet there aren't many 16-19 year olds that can afford sxsw but they can come to summerfest every night and walk around sloshed and/or high. Yes ptm the cost does matter. Summerfest is a community sponsored event that is accessible to almost everyone and the acts are first rate and have been
Fixed it for you.
Summerfest...meh. If there is someone really worth seeing then yes, it is great to have in MKE. But I would never go just to walk around and catch some music without planning on seeing someone specific.
Well then there's that. Except you forgot walking around half naked.
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Shortly after the Red Rock casino opened (on our western beltway) a few years ago they opened a Saltlick restaurant there. I never ate there but one of my friends, who is a "foodie", did and said it was horrible. The restaurant closed after a short run. Not doubting Saltlick in TX is good. Sometimes you can't duplicate the original.
My wife and I visited Austin a few years ago and loved it. We flew into Dallas to visit friends and then drove to Austin and eventually San Antonio to meet other friends. Happened to stop in Lockhart and had BBQ @ Smitty's. Excellent! Looked like there were other good BBQ joints there too.
Not Saltlick. That chain is terrible. The Salt Lick. Basically a barn in Driftwood, TX that serves the best brisket this side of the Mississippi.
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This is exactly the opposite way that I've found to have fun at Summerfest. Summerfest is a great place to drink beer, people watch and listen to music. If you really want to see someone it is nightmare bc of the picnic table scene. Not caring who is playing makes Summerfest a blast, not the other way around in my opinion.
+1000
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Milwaukee is not defined by Summerfest just like Austin is not defined by SXSW. No one would move to a city because of that. However, the lineup for Summerfest this year is excellent and that remains a great event.
Austin was underrated for so long that it is now overrated. It's lost a lot of its medium-sized Texas charm and turned into a big city without a lot of big city amenities. I personally have multiple friends that have left Austin largely because of this. Having lived in Dallas for 3 years, I'd rather be there than Austin in a heartbeat. Although given the state of the oil industry right now I'm glad I don't live in Texas.
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Not Saltlick. That chain is terrible. The Salt Lick. Basically a barn in Driftwood, TX that serves the best brisket this side of the Mississippi.
Amen. The Austin airport has an outpost that is decent. You're having good BBQ, but not great BBQ.
Drive down to Driftwood and you'll be saying "Amen" as well.
And while you're down there go over to Jester King brewery. Bring the family. I was amazed at how sprawling this place was and the number of people there. This is just a part of the property. It's huge.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Tn58uMCyh8A/TUTICDBMk2I/AAAAAAAAABQ/Ow2ja8vwYhg/s400/IMAG0108.jpg)
If they wanted Shaka, they'd make a Shaka Saison.
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This is exactly the opposite way that I've found to have fun at Summerfest. Summerfest is a great place to drink beer, people watch and listen to music. If you really want to see someone it is nightmare bc of the picnic table scene. Not caring who is playing makes Summerfest a blast, not the other way around in my opinion.
That's a good point on the picnic table scene, but I find it impossible to people watch because it's so packed with people that all you see are the 6 people an inch in front of you any way you turn.
Well then there's that. Except you forgot walking around half naked.
Good call. Unfortunately it's all males and non-Texas females that are doing that.
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Why does the replies to a topic get so off base so many times. Please stick to the topic!!!!!
Agreed. Now back to the topic: barbeque
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You mean what's left of the Bodeans.
I think you mean Da Bodeans
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Amen. The Austin airport has an outpost that is decent. You're having good BBQ, but not great BBQ.
Drive down to Driftwood and you'll be saying "Amen" as well.
And while you're down there go over to Jester King brewery. Bring the family. I was amazed at how sprawling this place was and the number of people there. This is just a part of the property. It's huge.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Tn58uMCyh8A/TUTICDBMk2I/AAAAAAAAABQ/Ow2ja8vwYhg/s400/IMAG0108.jpg)
If they wanted Shaka, they'd make a Shaka Saison.
Jester King makes some very unique beers. You have to have a very adventurous beer pallet. I do like the Wytchmaker.
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Given that your avatar is a reference to a 1991 SNL skit, I'm curious as to which band/s you'd like to see that hasn't been there recently? They have gotten some very selective talent as of late.
Granted they don't get everyone, but I think if you were to look at last summer's lineup they would certainly classify as "first rate."
Well, I graduated in 2008, so there's your generation reference.
Anyways, I did say the last 1-2 years has been much improved over the past 10 years, which we very bad overall.
Summerfest is fun, and I still go every year, but it doesn't touch SXSW, Coach, Bonaroo or Lollapalooza (except for this year because Lolla BLOWS this year)
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Well, I graduated in 2008, so there's your generation reference.
Anyways, I did say the last 1-2 years has been much improved over the past 10 years, which we very bad overall.
Summerfest is fun, and I still go every year, but it doesn't touch SXSW, Coach, Bonaroo or Lollapalooza (except for this year because Lolla BLOWS this year)
I wonder if Summerfest were shorter, if it would be better. Most other music festivals are 3 or 4 days long. Summerfest is twice that.
That being said, Summerfest knows its audience.
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Well, I graduated in 2008, so there's your generation reference.
Anyways, I did say the last 1-2 years has been much improved over the past 10 years, which we very bad overall.
Summerfest is fun, and I still go every year, but it doesn't touch SXSW, Coach, Bonaroo or Lollapalooza (except for this year because Lolla BLOWS this year)
I think one of the things you need to appreciate is that Summerfest has always been charged with the mission of entertaining a very broad audience. Two years ago the largest grounds crowd was at Imagine Dragons. Last year I believe it was REO Speedwagon. It's always a delicate balance.
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Why does the replies to a topic get so off base so many times. Please stick to the topic!!!!!
You may as well try to herd cats.
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I think one of the things you need to appreciate is that Summerfest has always been charged with the mission of entertaining a very broad audience. Two years ago the largest grounds crowd was at Imagine Dragons. Last year I believe it was REO Speedwagon. It's always a delicate balance.
Imagine Dragons, yuck, but big steal for the ground stages last year.
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Well, I graduated in 2008, so there's your generation reference.
Anyways, I did say the last 1-2 years has been much improved over the past 10 years, which we very bad overall.
Summerfest is fun, and I still go every year, but it doesn't touch SXSW, Coach, Bonaroo or Lollapalooza (except for this year because Lolla BLOWS this year)
I've always had loads more fun at Summerfest than Lolla. Lolla is wayyy overhyped, over crowded, overpriced, overpriced food and beer inside, and too much security to really get away with anything that I may have been trying to get away with in my college days. Summerfest has a very relaxed feel. Bonaroo I'll give you, never been to SXSW looks very intriguing but like it'd be a similar absurd price of Lolla
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I come here to read something about shaka. End up reading about Summerfest. I love this place.
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Imagine Dragons, yuck, but big steal for the ground stages last year.
Your comment is reflective of many through the years. It's not about whether Summerfest brings in YOUR favorite bands. It's about their ability to entertain a very broad audience. And they've done that very successfully, at a very reasonable price tag, since the 1960s. That's one hell of a legacy.
They also have a stellar reputation within the musical artist community. That fact was almost certainly a factor in today's announcement. It was an acknowledged factor when Dave Grohl brought Foo Fighters in during a summer when they played fewer than 5 North American shows. Bob Babisch is widely recognized as one of the best in the business. He's a true Milwaukee treasure who has been very helpful to Marquette through the years. Trust me. This is one subject where I know what I'm talking about. (Unlike basketball!) Thanks and enjoy.
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I've always had loads more fun at Summerfest than Lolla. Lolla is wayyy overhyped, over crowded, overpriced, overpriced food and beer inside, and too much security to really get away with anything that I may have been trying to get away with in my college days. Summerfest has a very relaxed feel. Bonaroo I'll give you, never been to SXSW looks very intriguing but like it'd be a similar absurd price of Lolla
Hear Hear - Who wants to crowd into a downtown that is already expensive, in order to hear acts play abbreviated sets in an uncomfortable setting when those same acts are already touring through Chicago regularly?
I'd go to a weak Summerfest before a strong Lolla any year.
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I come here to read something about shaka. End up reading about Summerfest. I love this place.
I think Shaka might have taken the job had he attended Fest in a prior year. ;D
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I've always had loads more fun at Summerfest than Lolla. Lolla is wayyy overhyped, over crowded, overpriced, overpriced food and beer inside, and too much security to really get away with anything that I may have been trying to get away with in my college days. Summerfest has a very relaxed feel. Bonaroo I'll give you, never been to SXSW looks very intriguing but like it'd be a similar absurd price of Lolla
SXSW isn't your typical festival. Its hundreds of bands playing throughout Austin in hundreds of different venues. Most shows are free, a lot of the big ones you need special access through a sponsor, industry connection, etc. ACL and Lollapalooza are closer to the same thing, except ACL is over two weekends.
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These Lolla over Summerfest comments are hilarious tho.
Your comment is reflective of many through the years. It's not about whether Summerfest brings in YOUR favorite bands.
Didn't I say big steal for the ground stages? I agreed with you...
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By the way, the best BBQ is located in the small towns. Ones that are not part of any chain. You can find these BBQ places in so many places.
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I'm about to sound old now ...
When I was in college and stuck around for the summer a couple of times, Summerfest cost $3 ... and that INCLUDED all the music, even the main stage. Beers were 50 cents.
Of course, my summer job paid $4.25 an hour back then, but that's besides the point!
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First rate to you may not necessarily be first rate to younger generations. I can name plenty of first rate acts in their respective genres.
First rate in Rap: Kendrick Lamar, schoolboy Q, Public enemy, lupe fiasco
First rate country: F.G.L. Keith urban, Zac Brown... (theres tons there this year not going through them all)
First rate rock: Stones, Kings of Leon, Linkin Park, Kongos, Jane's Addiction, Sublime, Isley brothers,
Then theres first rate soul like aloe blacc, first rate irish like gaelic storm and flogging molly, first rate jam bands like phillip phillips, trampled by turtles.
Speaking of Irish You forgot " Drop Kick Murphys" they play San Diego frequently
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Speaking of Irish You forgot " Drop Kick Murphys" they play San Diego frequently
Dropkick is one word, and after they went from a punk rock band that was socially conscious that I remember piping with on the stage over 10 years ago where you knew everyone at the venue. Into a big pop band that last time I saw them they tried to make a socially conscious statement and the crowd booed them, I decided to just ignore that they exist. Not to mention they've just taken what The Pogues were doing in the 80s and are claiming to be the first.
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First rate to you may not necessarily be first rate to younger generations. I can name plenty of first rate acts in their respective genres.
First rate in Rap: Kendrick Lamar, schoolboy Q, Public enemy, lupe fiasco
First rate country: F.G.L. Keith urban, Zac Brown... (theres tons there this year not going through them all)
First rate rock: Stones, Kings of Leon, Linkin Park, Kongos, Jane's Addiction, Sublime, Isley brothers,
Then theres first rate soul like aloe blacc, first rate irish like gaelic storm and flogging molly, first rate jam bands like phillip phillips, trampled by turtles.
Lmao at your first rate rap list.
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Lmao at your first rate rap list.
Lupe and Public Enemy are great.
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Lmao at your first rate rap list.
That's cause the best ones are dead.
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I'm about to sound old now ...
When I was in college and stuck around for the summer a couple of times, Summerfest cost $3 ... and that INCLUDED all the music, even the main stage. Beers were 50 cents.
Of course, my summer job paid $4.25 an hour back then, but that's besides the point!
Your first statement is correct. ;D
I will add that Summerfest made a decision probably 15-20 years ago to jack up beer prices. Profit might have been part of the motivation but so was the effort to somewhat control over consumption. Extreme cup stacking used to be a sport. Also, there's no comparison between 1980 and today in terms of the physical grounds. It's simply the finest. If you haven't been back since your college days 20-30 years ago, I'd encourage a summer trip that last week of June. You won't regret it.
Now has Shaka taken the job yet? Austin airport sighting? Do we really give a rip?
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Now has Shaka taken the job yet? Austin airport sighting? Do we really give a rip?
We care a little bit. When Bo hangs it up, UW would be a likely destination unless he's locked up at a different high profile job.
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We care a little bit. When Bo hangs it up, UW would be a likely destination unless he's locked up at a different high profile job.
Can you imagine the exploding badger nation heads going from Bo's recruiting and playing style to Shaka's?
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Lmao at your first rate rap list.
His first rate jam band comment is way more ridiculous. Btw I'm a fan of summerfest, but since I don't live in Milwaukee I only go when I want to see someone. My days of wondering around from stage to stage are over.
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Can you imagine the exploding badger nation heads going from Bo's recruiting and playing style to Shaka's?
I suspect this guy, for one, would not approve.
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We care a little bit. When Bo hangs it up, UW would be a likely destination unless he's locked up at a different high profile job.
It'll go to Gard.
And I wouldn't mind Shaka getting it. He made one nice NCAA Tournament run. Otherwise the hype is much more than the reality.
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Can you imagine the exploding badger nation heads going from Bo's recruiting and playing style to Shaka's?
You mean when they can no longer be veiled racists?
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Can you imagine the exploding badger nation heads going from Bo's recruiting and playing style to Shaka's?
I'd assume that, if you had the cred Shaka does, you'd want to take a job that gave you a solid improvement in recruiting base. As we have seen time and time again, Wisconsin doesn't give you that.
I'd guess a Texas/Florida/mayyyyybe Indiana
Keep in mind Shaka was quoted as saying he didn't enjoy his time in Madison and highlighted a series of racist incidents he was the victim of. Not sure I'd be high-tailing it home if that was my experience.
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His first rate jam band comment is way more ridiculous. Btw I'm a fan of summerfest, but since I don't live in Milwaukee I only go when I want to see someone. My days of wondering around from stage to stage are over.
Those were the only ones playing this year two years ago was DMB, OAR and Dispatch would that have made it better for you?
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Those were the only ones playing this year two years ago was DMB, OAR and Dispatch would that have made it better for you?
Nope. For "first rate" jam bands I would accept any of the following: The Dead, Phish, Umphreys, Panic, the Allman Bros (RIP), Moe, Cheese, Yonder, plus more.
I would like to see Trampled By Turtles though. They're making a name for themselves.
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Those were the only ones playing this year two years ago was DMB, OAR and Dispatch would that have made it better for you?
As a bagpiping boxer I would think your knowledge of music genres would be expansive. DMB, OAR, and Dispatch are not jambands. They are girly sellouts that got famous cause smoking weed was cool for 16 year olds in the 90's. However, I respect Dispatch for all the civic and social work they have done. Back in the day I was all about being dealt into a crazy game of poker, and I used to follow every ant that I saw marching. But DMB, Dispatch, and OAR are neither jambands or bands that can jam.
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As a bagpiping boxer I would think your knowledge of music genres would be expansive. DMB, OAR, and Dispatch are not jambands. They are girly sellouts that got famous cause smoking weed was cool for 16 year olds in the 90's. However, I respect Dispatch for all the civic and social work they have done. Back in the day I was all about being dealt into a crazy game of poker, and I used to follow every ant that I saw marching. But DMB, Dispatch, and OAR and neither jambands or bands that can jam.
After seeing them live and against my will... I have to say that DMB live was a pleasant surprise. Dave himself might not jam...but the guys behind him are great improv guys. The jazz musician in me gave thumbs up for them.
That said, I really don't consider any of them jam bands in the common use of the word. But maybe Shaka does. Who knows.
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If Shaka wants the real talent and connect with young players, he's gotta get in the EDM scene. Plenty of High School talent there. Also Dave's band members are very talented. Carter on the drums is one of the best in the biz, IMO
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Keep in mind Shaka was quoted as saying he didn't enjoy his time in Madison and highlighted a series of racist incidents he was the victim of. Not sure I'd be high-tailing it home if that was my experience.
This.
UW is certainly a good gig, but I don't think it's the forgone conclusion that some Badger fans and media members make it out to be. Not everybody that grows up in WI dreams of being at UW... Diamond stone being the latest example.
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This.
UW is certainly a good gig, but I don't think it's the forgone conclusion that some Badger fans and media members make it out to be. Not everybody that grows up in WI dreams of being at UW... Diamond stone being the latest example.
I know it's hard for Wisconsinites to understand, but some of us escape and have no interest in returning. Shocking, I know.
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I've worked my entire life to only enjoy Wisconsin during the 'good' weather. But I have this huge problem. How am I going to convince chick to miss the MU basketball season? :-\
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I've worked my entire life to only enjoy Wisconsin during the 'good' weather. But I have this huge problem. How am I going to convince chick to miss the MU basketball season? :-\
Score that $3m job posting in Austin. Probably would go a long way.
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I know it's hard for Wisconsinites to understand, but some of us escape and have no interest in returning. Shocking, I know.
Yes, that's a common WI thing. I think it happens in MN as well.
"He's one of us! He's always dreamed of being at (insert local company/team)!"
Again, I'm not saying Shaka won't come back (I have no idea), but the guy has lived all over the country. I don't think he's automatically trying to get back to WI.
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I know it's hard for Wisconsinites to understand, but some of us escape and have no interest in returning. Shocking, I know.
Pros and cons to everywhere. Sure CA has great weather and scenery, but do you really want to deal with the massive amount of self-centered pricks? If you want to travel any distance over a mile do you really want to sit in your car for an extended period of time in jam packed traffic regardless of the time of day? Do you want your house being separated from your neighbor's by the absolute minimum amount of space possible? Do you want to overpay for everything? Etc.
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I know it's hard for Wisconsinites to understand, but some of us escape and have no interest in returning. Shocking, I know.
This is hardly a trait unique to Wisconsin.
Some people like to live/return to where they grew up, others like to go elsewhere.
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As a bagpiping boxer I would think your knowledge of music genres would be expansive. DMB, OAR, and Dispatch are not jambands. They are girly sellouts that got famous cause smoking weed was cool for 16 year olds in the 90's. However, I respect Dispatch for all the civic and social work they have done. Back in the day I was all about being dealt into a crazy game of poker, and I used to follow every ant that I saw marching. But DMB, Dispatch, and OAR are neither jambands or bands that can jam.
What would you call them with your almighty knowledge of music? Just cause a band sold out doesn't mean they stopped being in a specific genre unless they actually changed their music.
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This is hardly a trait unique to Wisconsin.
Some people like to live/return to where they grew up, others like to go elsewhere.
Any way you slice it, you cannot take the Wisconsin out of the Wisconsonite...or the accent..ai'na?
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We care a little bit. When Bo hangs it up, UW would be a likely destination unless he's locked up at a different high profile job.
The Havoc and UW? What would we do without all of the veiled racial phrases from Badger fans? They'd no longer "play the right way" as they like to say.
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#donedeal?
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Pros and cons to everywhere. Sure CA has great weather and scenery, but do you really want to deal with the massive amount of self-centered pricks? If you want to travel any distance over a mile do you really want to sit in your car for an extended period of time in jam packed traffic regardless of the time of day? Do you want your house being separated from your neighbor's by the absolute minimum amount of space possible? Do you want to overpay for everything? Etc.
I would take NORCAL over any Midwestern location all day long, but would never be able to live in Southern California. Wisconsin has its fair share of self centered pricks, they are just significantly fatter than the CA variety.
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I would take NORCAL over any Midwestern location all day long, but would never be able to live in Southern California. Wisconsin has its fair share of self centered pricks, they are just significantly fatter than the CA variety.
There are pricks everywhere, no doubt about that. But every time I'm out in SoCal I find that it's about 85% pricks, whereas in Milwaukee (and other Midwest cities) it's about 15% pricks.
Never been to NorCal but am heading there in a month and am excited for it. Have heard great things.
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I would take NORCAL over any Midwestern location all day long, but would never be able to live in Southern California. Wisconsin has its fair share of self centered pricks, they are just significantly fatter than the CA variety.
Meh, I'd say depends where you are. I didn't get that feeling when I was in Santa Monica or Venice 2 years ago. Never ventured into the city but those places seemed pretty reasonable.
Edit: muscle beach is as much self centered as it can get, but that was only one small group.
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Never been to NorCal but am heading there in a month and am excited for it. Have heard great things.
It's nice, but be warned that San Francisco is the O'Donnell of cities. Lotta dudes.
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There are pricks everywhere, no doubt about that. But every time I'm out in SoCal I find that it's about 85% pricks, whereas in Milwaukee (and other Midwest cities) it's about 15% pricks.
Never been to NorCal but am heading there in a month and am excited for it. Have heard great things.
The ratio of pricks is still probably higher than the Midwest, but it is a very cool place to live (and visit)... and I would have probably been quite happy staying in Milwaukee after graduation, but that just wasn't in the cards.
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#donedeal?
Local news here in central/south Texas is reporting that UT is making an offer in the $4 million/year range. Shaka is their top target after reaching out to brad steven's people and Rick pitino's people.
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It's nice, but be warned that San Francisco is the O'Donnell of cities. Lotta dudes.
This is so wrong to me....when I was at MU, O'Donnell was all chicks and for whatever reason, the better looking ones.
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This is so wrong to me....when I was at MU, O'Donnell was all chicks and for whatever reason, the better looking ones.
Ah yes...The kitten Palace.
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Local news here in central/south Texas is reporting that UT is making an offer in the $4 million/year range. Shaka is their top target after reaching out to brad steven's people and Rick pitino's people.
That surprises me they would pay that much. More than Sean Miller who made the Elite 8 three times, Billy Donovan and Tom Izzo. Shaka hasn't been past the round of 32 since the Final Four run.
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Jerry Meyer retweeted
Horns247 @Horns247 13m13 minutes ago
Sources tell @jerrymeyer247 Texas is expected to close deal with Shaka Smart tomorrow: http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Texas-Longhorns-expected-close-deal-with-Shaka-Smart-on-Thursday-36554326 …
Texas expected to close deal with Shaka Smart on Thursday
Horns247 Staff - 29 minutes ago
Texas Newsletter
The Longhorns and Virginia Commonwealth University’s Shaka Smart are expected to finalize a deal for Smart to be Texas’ next head coach Thursday, sources have told to 247Sports’ Jerry Meyer.
If he signs as expected, Smart would replace Rick Barnes, who parted ways with Texas after 17 seasons last week. The 37-year-old Smart comes to Texas after a very successful six-year run with the Rams that included a CBI Championship and a run to the Final Four in 2011.
Smart made a $1.57 million base salary with additional bonuses and incentives worth up to $695,750 last year at VCU, according to USA Today. In his final year at Texas, Barnes made a $2.625 base salary with up to $790,000 in incentives.
Smart arrived at VCU in 2009 and instilled his unique style of coaching right away. The Rams played “Havoc” basketball, an up-tempo brand of basketball highlighted by full-court pressure and transition offense.
This style, coupled with his fiery vigor, helped elevate VCU to national prominence in 2011, when the Rams shocked and made a run to the 2011 Final Four of the NCAA Tournament. VCU averaged 27 wins a year over Smart’s six seasons as head coach.
In addition to the Rams’ run to the Final Four, Smart led VCU to a CBI Championship in his first season as head coach. The Rams have reached the NCAA tournament the last five years under Smart, compiling a 7-5 record over that stretch. In the program’s history before Smart’s arrival, VCU had won just five NCAA Tournament games.
Former players are bullish about Smart’s impact on their lives in addition to his coaching abilities.
“If (Texas) got him, it would be the best hire you’ve ever had,” former VCU guard Joey Rodriguez said. “He’s awesome. You will be very, very, very lucky to have him.”
Before VCU, Smart served in stints as an assistant coach at Dayton, Akron, Clemson and Florida. A Madison, Wisconsin native, Smart played college basketball at Kenyon College, where he graduated magna cum laude.
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Kirk Bohls @kbohls 36m36 minutes ago
Statesman can confirm report by @gketch that Texas AD Steve Patterson flying to Richmond, bringing VCU's Shaka Smart to Austin.
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Anyone checkin' flight tracker?
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That surprises me they would pay that much. More than Sean Miller who made the Elite 8 three times, Billy Donovan and Tom Izzo. Shaka hasn't been past the round of 32 since the Final Four run.
Was there ever a rumor of how much MU was gonna give Shaka?
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Therein lies the story of where our program sits compared to the big fish. Money talks and bullchit walks, hey?
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It all sounds very familiar to me. I wouldn't be surprised if Patterson came back without him.
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Kirk Bohls @kbohls 36m36 minutes ago
Statesman can confirm report by @gketch that Texas AD Steve Patterson flying to Richmond, bringing VCU's Shaka Smart to Austin.
Wasn't Bill Cords on a plane to Richmond to being him back a year ago?
Just wondering.....
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Therein lies the story of where our program sits compared to the big fish. Money talks and bullchit walks, hey?
Different year different circumstances. Apples and oranges.
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Nope, perception is really.
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Nope, perception is really.
and you can speak to your perception... And your reality
Hey?
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Brian Davis @BDavisAAS 3m3 minutes ago
Wow. The Richmond Times-Dispatch says Smart's contract says new employer must play VCU in a home-and-home. Or get out of it for $250k.
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It's nice, but be warned that San Francisco is the O'Donnell of cities. Lotta dudes.
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Brian Davis @BDavisAAS 3m3 minutes ago
Wow. The Richmond Times-Dispatch says Smart's contract says new employer must play VCU in a home-and-home. Or get out of it for $250k.
Laughable. Texas paid Barnes a $1.75M buyout. Had they waited until today, 4 more days, the buyout would have dropped to $1.5M. Safe to say $250k won't dissuade them.
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Therein lies the story of where our program sits compared to the big fish. Money talks and bullchit walks, hey?
True dat.
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Local news here in central/south Texas is reporting that UT is making an offer in the $4 million/year range. Shaka is their top target after reaching out to brad steven's people and Rick pitino's people.
After reports of Texas' interest in Smart, a VCU athletic director Ed McLaughlin said, ''Nothing is a done deal. He is still our coach.''
Sounds familiar...
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Someone ring up VCU Insider and ax 'em how it feels to drop back inta mediocrity, never to be heard from again?
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Jerry Meyer retweeted
Horns247 @Horns247 13m13 minutes ago
Sources tell @jerrymeyer247 Texas is expected to close deal with Shaka Smart tomorrow: http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Texas-Longhorns-expected-close-deal-with-Shaka-Smart-on-Thursday-36554326 …
Anyone remember this ...
@jerrymeyer247 Hearing from multiple sources that Shaka Smart to Marquette is after all very likely to happen and happen soon. 1:13 PM - 24 Mar 2014
Hopefully Jerry is not using the same sources he used last year.
#donedeal!
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Therein lies the story of where our program sits compared to the big fish. Money talks and bullchit walks, hey?
The only people that think this are a handful of posters here with inferiority complexes. No one else does.
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Disagree. I think this is how we're looked at on a national level, not only by the public and media, but also by coaches.
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Disagree. I think this is how we're looked at on a national level, not only by the public and media, but also by coaches.
It is what it is. Marquette is just fine as a program.
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Someone ring up VCU Insider and ax 'em how it feels to drop back inta mediocrity, never to be heard from again?
Outside of 1 NCAA Tournament run they've never really been much more. They've been closer to a George Mason as a program than they have a Marquette.
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This is so wrong to me....when I was at MU, O'Donnell was all chicks and for whatever reason, the better looking ones.
Could not agree more...even in my day. If I remember correctly a Miss Wisconson resided there when I attended.
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Disagree. I think this is how we're looked at on a national level, not only by the public and media, but also by coaches.
So everyone thinks Shaka is a liar. All that talk about his wife not wanting to move to Milwaukee was made up.
They all think that Shaka has a secret list of "elite" programs and MU was not on it. And this alone was the only thing that drove his decision to leave VCU. So, his declining means we are not as good as Austin?
This is what you're saying.
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Canzano: Shaka Smart has no idea what he's getting into at Texas
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2015/04/canzano_shaka_smart_has_no_ide.html
Texas athletic director Steve Patterson oversaw the least successful run in Blazers franchise history (Statesman.com)
John Canzano | The Oregonian/OregonLive By John Canzano | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on April 01, 2015 at 8:03 PM, updated April 01, 2015 at 11:19 PM
I am certain Shaka Smart knows basketball. I'm confident the VCU coach (for now) recognizes a good opportunity when he sees one. But what I'm most certain of is that Smart has no idea what he'd be signing on for when it comes to working for University of Texas athletic director Steve Patterson.
Smart is reportedly in deep discussions with Texas. The Longhorns believe he's their next men's basketball coach. I'm certain he's a sucker if he takes the job. Because the hope here is that Smart is wise enough to weed through the salesmanship from Patterson and do some research on the guy who engineered the least productive era of NBA basketball in Portland.
Patterson likes to take credit for the Trail Blazers "rebuild," but anyone who was there knows better. During a four-year period beginning in 2003, Patterson fostered an unhealthy culture inside the organization, he fired more than 100 employees, he threw what was then the Rose Garden Arena into bankruptcy, cracked down on anyone who crossed him, and plotted from his president's office to also become the team's general manager (2006-07).
Before Patterson, the Blazers reached the NBA playoffs in 21 consecutive seasons. In Patterson's four seasons, Portland never finished better than .500, and the 21-61 record in 2005-06 tied for the worst finish in franchise history.
His draft picks were bad (Martell Webster over Chris Paul, for example). His grandstanding, including the time Patterson announced he couldn't trade Damon Stoudamire for a folding chair, grew tired. But it was the undermining of employees, the fostering of mistrust in the halls of the organization that led to his departure in 2007.
Remember the time Patterson fined Darius Miles $150,000 and publicly scolded the small forward for berating his coach in a film session? I do. So does then-coach Maurice Cheeks. Because that act of support for Cheeks was followed by a back-room deal between Patterson and Miles in which the small forward would receive every penny of the fine back, plus interest. When I informed Cheeks of the arrangement, he said, "I might as well pack my bags."
Smart?
You getting all this?
Smart, 37, has averaged better than 27 victories a season at his current university. He made the 2011 Final Four. A union between a sleeping-giant like Texas and a general like Smart makes complete sense. Right up to the point where you see Patterson lingering in the background, bumbling along.
It ends ugly with Patterson. He gets you before you get him. That's the way he operates. And if Smart is willing to spend the energy and exert a fair amount of attention to managing his athletic director, then by all means, he should accept the job.
But why?
Why leave VCU, where you've already proven you can reach a Final Four? Why leave a university where you're being cast for a bronze statue in exchange for a place who handed the keys to a boob? In Patterson's short time in Texas, he's talked about playing football games in Dubai and the United Arab Emirates. He ran off Mack Brown from the football program like a teenager who didn't know how to break up with his girlfriend.
Patterson has now flushed Rick Barnes, who was scooped up by Tennessee. Barnes revealed this week that Patterson told him after his NCAA Tournament loss that he'd be back for another season, then shifted course, demanding that he fire assistants or be gone himself. Also, that tidbit was leaked, in a move that had familiar fingerprints all over it.
I understand what people see in Patterson. He talks the talk. He pretends to know where the money is buried. He grew up in arenas, learning how to work the room. The surprise is how woeful he is once he gets control of the room.
If Smart takes the job, he should do so only with total autonomy. No other way around it. Because Patterson will eventually get in his way. He can't help it.
Smart is doing his diligence, presumably. I'd suggest a call to Cheeks. Maybe some contact with those who worked under Patterson at ASU and certainly at One Center Court. Maybe talk, too, to Arizona assistant Damon Stoudamire, a guy Patterson pointed to and tried to embarrass by declaring he wasn't worth a folding chair.
I'll bet Stoudamire would never take that job.
Talk about smart.
--- @JohnCanzanoBFT
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Those are a lot of conclusions to draw off of his relatively short tenure with the Blazers, much of which I would blame Paul Allen for anyway. I know they really liked him at Arizona State.
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So everyone thinks Shaka is a liar. All that talk about his wife not wanting to move to Milwaukee was made up.
They all think that Shaka has a secret list of "elite" programs and MU was not on it. And this alone was the only thing that drove his decision to leave VCU. So, his declining means we are not as good as Austin?
This is what you're saying.
What I'm sayin' is other than payin' a competitive salary, the rest of the program leaves a lot to be desired in the eyes of those who matter. Really hard to generate some traction at a medium sized catholic university in downtown Milwaukee, Wisconsin that plays in the Big East, on FS Sports, and has been a steppin' stone gig for the last 3 head coaches.
Now, comparin' this program to schools in the Big 10, ACC, Big 12, etc., from all viewpoints, is just not valid. Doesn't mean we can't compete, or even consistently compete on their level. It just means this job is tougher.
From the late 70's on, MU dropped the ball and didn't have a vision to kick the entire program up a few notches. Bad hires, slow to react to conference affiliation, facilities, etc. all contributed to the thought that we are closer to mid-major status than elite status.
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So everyone thinks Shaka is a liar. All that talk about his wife not wanting to move to Milwaukee was made up.
They all think that Shaka has a secret list of "elite" programs and MU was not on it. And this alone was the only thing that drove his decision to leave VCU. So, his declining means we are not as good as Austin?
This is what you're saying.
When did Shaka ever say that he wanted to come to Marquette but his wife put a stop to it? I don't remember him ever making such a comment, and he would be stupid to have made that comment. It's what the people who bought the "done deal" comment fell back on once it wasn't such a done deal. "Couldn't be that I got bad info, must've been that the wife didn't like Milwaukee."
But, yes, Texas is a better job than Marquette. Pays more, in a better conference, surrounded by more talent, more boosters to make your life easier to recruit, nice campus, warmer weather, etc.
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When did Shaka ever say that he wanted to come to Marquette but his wife put a stop to it? I don't remember him ever making such a comment, and he would be stupid to have made that comment. It's what the people who bought the "done deal" comment fell back on once it wasn't such a done deal. "Couldn't be that I got bad info, must've been that the wife didn't like Milwaukee."
That's what he told Doc.
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Disagree. I think this is how we're looked at on a national level, not only by the public and media, but also by coaches.
We need to get 4ever some underwear stuffing so he can better-weather these perceived slights he's manufacturing. Nobody thinks this. Shaka turned down UC-effing-LA.
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Canzano: Shaka Smart has no idea what he's getting into at Texas
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2015/04/canzano_shaka_smart_has_no_ide.html
Texas athletic director Steve Patterson oversaw the least successful run in Blazers franchise history (Statesman.com)
John Canzano | The Oregonian/OregonLive By John Canzano | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on April 01, 2015 at 8:03 PM, updated April 01, 2015 at 11:19 PM
I am certain Shaka Smart knows basketball. I'm confident the VCU coach (for now) recognizes a good opportunity when he sees one. But what I'm most certain of is that Smart has no idea what he'd be signing on for when it comes to working for University of Texas athletic director Steve Patterson.
Smart is reportedly in deep discussions with Texas. The Longhorns believe he's their next men's basketball coach. I'm certain he's a sucker if he takes the job. Because the hope here is that Smart is wise enough to weed through the salesmanship from Patterson and do some research on the guy who engineered the least productive era of NBA basketball in Portland.
Patterson likes to take credit for the Trail Blazers "rebuild," but anyone who was there knows better. During a four-year period beginning in 2003, Patterson fostered an unhealthy culture inside the organization, he fired more than 100 employees, he threw what was then the Rose Garden Arena into bankruptcy, cracked down on anyone who crossed him, and plotted from his president's office to also become the team's general manager (2006-07).
Before Patterson, the Blazers reached the NBA playoffs in 21 consecutive seasons. In Patterson's four seasons, Portland never finished better than .500, and the 21-61 record in 2005-06 tied for the worst finish in franchise history.
His draft picks were bad (Martell Webster over Chris Paul, for example). His grandstanding, including the time Patterson announced he couldn't trade Damon Stoudamire for a folding chair, grew tired. But it was the undermining of employees, the fostering of mistrust in the halls of the organization that led to his departure in 2007.
Remember the time Patterson fined Darius Miles $150,000 and publicly scolded the small forward for berating his coach in a film session? I do. So does then-coach Maurice Cheeks. Because that act of support for Cheeks was followed by a back-room deal between Patterson and Miles in which the small forward would receive every penny of the fine back, plus interest. When I informed Cheeks of the arrangement, he said, "I might as well pack my bags."
Smart?
You getting all this?
Smart, 37, has averaged better than 27 victories a season at his current university. He made the 2011 Final Four. A union between a sleeping-giant like Texas and a general like Smart makes complete sense. Right up to the point where you see Patterson lingering in the background, bumbling along.
It ends ugly with Patterson. He gets you before you get him. That's the way he operates. And if Smart is willing to spend the energy and exert a fair amount of attention to managing his athletic director, then by all means, he should accept the job.
But why?
Why leave VCU, where you've already proven you can reach a Final Four? Why leave a university where you're being cast for a bronze statue in exchange for a place who handed the keys to a boob? In Patterson's short time in Texas, he's talked about playing football games in Dubai and the United Arab Emirates. He ran off Mack Brown from the football program like a teenager who didn't know how to break up with his girlfriend.
Patterson has now flushed Rick Barnes, who was scooped up by Tennessee. Barnes revealed this week that Patterson told him after his NCAA Tournament loss that he'd be back for another season, then shifted course, demanding that he fire assistants or be gone himself. Also, that tidbit was leaked, in a move that had familiar fingerprints all over it.
I understand what people see in Patterson. He talks the talk. He pretends to know where the money is buried. He grew up in arenas, learning how to work the room. The surprise is how woeful he is once he gets control of the room.
If Smart takes the job, he should do so only with total autonomy. No other way around it. Because Patterson will eventually get in his way. He can't help it.
Smart is doing his diligence, presumably. I'd suggest a call to Cheeks. Maybe some contact with those who worked under Patterson at ASU and certainly at One Center Court. Maybe talk, too, to Arizona assistant Damon Stoudamire, a guy Patterson pointed to and tried to embarrass by declaring he wasn't worth a folding chair.
I'll bet Stoudamire would never take that job.
Talk about smart.
--- @JohnCanzanoBFT
Canzano is a very good columnist and this was a revealing look at Patterson for those who aren't all that familiar with him. Thanks for providing.
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Shaka's a weird cat. I get that. No tellin' what that sumbitch is gonna do or is thinkin'. I thought and still think he woulda been a terrific hire for this university. Not disappointed in the least in Steve. Pretty sure, with time, he's gonna take us to the promised land.
But, it's obvious to me that some of y'all have a myoptic view of this entire program, particularly when compared on a national level. Understand that the last 5 coaches have come from St. Peter's, Sienna, asst. at U of A, asst. at MSU, asst. at MU, and asst. at Duke. None them, thus far, have consistently gotten the job done. This gig is not all seashells and balloons, ai na?
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Shaka's a weird cat. I get that. No tellin' what that sumbitch is gonna do or is thinkin'. I thought and still think he woulda been a terrific here for this university. Not disappointed in the least in Steve. Pretty sure, with time, he's gonna take us to the promised land.
But, it's obvious to me that some of y'all have a myoptic view of this entire program, particularly when compared on a national level. Understand that the last 5 coaches have come from St. Peter's, Sienna, asst. at U of A, asst. at MSU, asst. at MU, and asst. at Duke. None them, thus far, have consistently gotten the job done. This gig is not all seashells and balloons, ai na?
What are you complaining about? I honestly don't understand what you're saying you wish we could improve?
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Just sayin', this is not the glamour job some folks like to think it is. Will it ever be? We'll see, hey?
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Shaka's a weird cat. I get that. No tellin' what that sumbitch is gonna do or is thinkin'. I thought and still think he woulda been a terrific hire for this university. Not disappointed in the least in Steve. Pretty sure, with time, he's gonna take us to the promised land.
But, it's obvious to me that some of y'all have a myoptic view of this entire program, particularly when compared on a national level. Understand that the last 5 coaches have come from St. Peter's, Sienna, asst. at U of A, asst. at MSU, asst. at MU, and asst. at Duke. None them, thus far, have consistently gotten the job done. This gig is not all seashells and balloons, ai na?
I get it. We aren't a program that's likely going to land a sitting coach from another "Power 5" type school for many of the reasons you stated.
But who is being myopic about this?
We've managed just fine.
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Just sayin', this is not the glamour job some folks like to think it is. Will it ever be? We'll see, hey?
Can you point to the people who think this is a "glamour job"? I honestly don't see that on here?
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I get it. We aren't a program that's likely going to land a sitting coach from another "Power 5" type school for many of the reasons you stated.
But who is being myopic about this?
We've managed just fine.
Hope it continues. Yes, even Al didn't come from a Power 5 school. I wish we could get someone someday in that capacity, but doesn't appear to be in the cards. We'll have to continue with the Xavier, Butler approach and do just fine.
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Can you point to the people who think this is a "glamour job"? I honestly don't see that on here?
Lots of folks. Chico was very disappointed when we hired Buzz, thought we could get a guy like Kevin Stallings from Vandy.
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Lots of folks. Chico was very disappointed when we hired Buzz, thought we could get a guy like Kevin Stallings from Vandy.
Hiring process! Search firm! Big Boy School!
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Shaka's a weird cat. I get that. No tellin' what that sumbitch is gonna do or is thinkin'. I thought and still think he woulda been a terrific hire for this university. Not disappointed in the least in Steve. Pretty sure, with time, he's gonna take us to the promised land.
But, it's obvious to me that some of y'all have a myoptic view of this entire program, particularly when compared on a national level. Understand that the last 5 coaches have come from St. Peter's, Sienna, asst. at U of A, asst. at MSU, asst. at MU, and asst. at Duke. None them, thus far, have consistently gotten the job done. This gig is not all seashells and balloons, ai na?
The heck do you define as consistently? I mean 5 NCAAs and 3 NITs out of 9 years seems pretty consistent. 5 NCAAs out of 6 years seems pretty consistent.
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Hiring process! Search firm! Big Boy School!
Indeed. Lots of folks 'round here were saying it was time for us to make a "big boy" hire after Buzz left.
I like Wojo. Buzz, Crean and KO did their jobs well, too.
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I hear ya.
If you had perfect knowledge of all coaching candidates, you'd choose to get the young unproven guy (and cheaper), for him to make a name for himself at Marquette. I think that's how we've rolled for Crean and Buzz, and I'm fine with the result.
Since we outspend nearly every other program, I refuse to believe we get sticker shock when looking at coaches. You definitely would pay a premium for Rick Barnes versus Wojo. Using that example, I'm not sure I'd expect a much better result from Barnes now then Crean, Buzz or Wojo.
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Can you point to the people who think this is a "glamour job"? I honestly don't see that on here?
Definition of a Glamor job, you make it a winning program.
Examples ... what was Duke in 1980? Better than MU? No, K made it a Glamor job.
Was Bucky a Glamour job before Bo? Gonzaga before Few. No, they made them Glamor jobs
If someone passes on MU because it's not a Glamor job, that means they are not that good. See Crean. Has he really done better better an IU than MU, other than one season? Conclusion, IU is exactly the same as MU because Crean is not doing better.
Wanna know the real problem with MU? It lacks a recruiting base. Translation. If the state of Wisconsin was produce high D1 basketball players like, say the state of Indiana does, it would be a much better program.
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Definition of a Glamor job, you make it a winning program.
Examples ... what was Duke in 1980? Better than MU? No, K made it a Glamor job.
Duke was a better job than Marquette in 1980. They were national runner up in 1978 and made the Elite 8 in 1980. Bill Foster left Duke after the 1980 tournament for South Carolina.
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Definition of a Glamor job, you make it a winning program.
Examples ... what was Duke in 1980? Better than MU? No, K made it a Glamor job.
Was Bucky a Glamour job before Bo? Gonzaga before Few. No, they made them Glamor jobs
If someone passes on MU because it's not a Glamor job, that means they are not that good. See Crean. Has he really done better better an IU than MU, other than one season? Conclusion, IU is exactly the same as MU because Crean is not doing better.
Wanna know the real problem with MU? It lacks a recruiting base. Translation. If the state of Wisconsin was produce high D1 basketball players like, say the state of Indiana does, it would be a much better program.
I don't know about that. Seems to me Wisconsin (state of) has had, and has, some fine players.
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Duke was a better job than Marquette in 1980. They were national runner up in 1978 and made the Elite 8 in 1980. Bill Foster left Duke after the 1980 tournament for South Carolina.
The program who was more recently a NC > program with a runner up and Elite 8.
MU came off a near decade of being a top 10 team. The momentum at the time was with MU.
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The program who was more recently a NC > program with a runner up and Elite 8.
MU came off a near decade of being a top 10 team. The momentum at the time was with MU.
Yup, Duke went downhill after Foster left. Took Coach K 4 years to right the ship. MU was better in that timeframe. Coach K was truly the program builder at Duke.
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BREAKING: Texas AD Steve Patterson will land in Richmond after 4 p.m.
Brian Davis April 2, 2015 | Filed in: basketball, Bevo Beat, Rick Barnes.
http://longhorns.blog.statesman.com/2015/04/02/breaking-texas-ad-steve-patterson-will-land-in-richmond-after-4-p-m/
A high-level Texas source confirmed that Texas athletic director Steve Patterson is currently en route to Richmond, Va., on a Learjet owned by a friend of UT President Bill Powers.
The American-Statesman reported Wednesday that Patterson was scheduled to fly to Richmond and meet with Virginia Commonwealth coach Shaka Smart about the vacant Texas men’s basketball coaching job.
It’s unknown whether Patterson will bring Smart back to Austin tonight or Friday.
Patterson’s plane left Georgetown at 12:36 p.m., according to flight records. The plane stopped in Stillwater, Okla.. The Longhorns are scheduled to play the Oklahoma State baseball team in a three-game series this weekend. Then, the plane took off for Richmond just before 2 p.m. It is scheduled to land in Richmond shortly after 4 p.m. Central time.
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Can someone fill us in on what is going on over on the VCU board? I really want to sign up for their board and troll them hard. Something along the lines of LonghornNEWS and post about how Texas is just chasing Shaka to bid down the price of Chris Mack (or some other always-talked about coach).
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I don't know about that. Seems to me Wisconsin (state of) has had, and has, some fine players.
Last 5 years, yes. 20 years before that, not so much.
Indiana produces a burger boy nearly every year. I believe Wisonsin has had about 5 in its history with Looney, Stone and Ellenson being three of them in the last two years.
Is the last 5 years a new trend or an aberration?
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The Texas plane has landed in Richmond. Observers spotted AD Steve Patterson and another man who resembled HFC Charlie Strong. Some said it was not Strong...? There is a VCU team meeting scheduled for tonight....
(http://i.imgur.com/xIYKx8e.jpg)
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Can someone fill us in on what is going on over on the VCU board? I really want to sign up for their board and troll them hard. Something along the lines of LonghornNEWS and post about how Texas is just chasing Shaka to bid down the price of Chris Mack (or some other always-talked about coach).
Their Shaka Watch thread has roughly doubled in the past week. Not nearly the smug dismissiveness they showed a year ago. No idea what will happen, but I wouldn't mind seeing a little come uppance headed their way.
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A local BBQ joint has an offer for Shaka if he stays:
Buz and Ned's @buzandneds
We are offering Shaka Smart unlimited Brisket and Apple Fritters if he decides to stay at VCU. #shakawatch 2015
10:23 AM - 2 Apr 2015
I think he can do better in TX!
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Add lap dances to the incentive package.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBnig0fVEAAnUYy.jpg:large)
No sign of a letter-writing campaign.
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The Texas plane has landed in Richmond. Observers spotted AD Steve Patterson and another man who resembled HFC Charlie Strong. Some said it was not Strong...? There is a VCU team meeting scheduled for tonight....
(http://i.imgur.com/xIYKx8e.jpg)
seems like a pretty small private jet... Is that a four-seater prop plane? Why not a biplane?
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I think their Learjet is to the right and you can just see the end of a wing.
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I think their Learjet is to the right and you can just see the end of a wing.
And then Big Pimpin in a Hyundai crossover.
I feel bad for VCU fans. We know what its like to have a coach poached from us. So far MU has always landed on its feet. I hope the same for them. Shaka is a unique talent.
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Jeff Capel and Anthony Grant did well at VCU before Smart. I guess the real question is if the new AD can hire as well as the old. If not, they could always go the DePaul route and bring one of those guys back.
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And then Big Pimpin in a Hyundai crossover.
I feel bad for VCU fans. We know what its like to have a coach poached from us. So far MU has always landed on its feet. I hope the same for them. Shaka is a unique talent.
Shaka is also a unique prima donna. If he takes the Texas job, that equates that it is viewed to be a sure fire better program than MU. It should be the other way around. Besides, Texas is a football school. And George Bush hangs out around there. Shaka will always be 2nd fiddle to football and Bush.
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seems like a pretty small private jet... Is that a four-seater prop plane? Why not a biplane?
Hot air balloon might be more appropriate.
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Join us at 5:30 PM in the Siegel Center parking lot (nearest the ticket office) for a rally to show your support to Coach Smart.
Rumors indicate he is being offered a deal from Texas upwards of $17 million over 5 years. Texas Athletic Director Scott Patterson will be visiting Shaka in Richmond today, to make an offer, and hopes to take him to Austin tomorrow to close the deal.
We have a limited amount of time to show Coach Smart how much he means to the city of Richmond, and this is our chance to have an impact on his final decision.
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The Texas plane has landed in Richmond. Observers spotted AD Steve Patterson and another man who resembled HFC Charlie Strong. Some said it was not Strong...? There is a VCU team meeting scheduled for tonight....
(http://i.imgur.com/xIYKx8e.jpg)
That's Matthew McConounghy along for the ride
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That's Matthew McConounghy along for the ride
Time is a flat circle.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02822/truedetectivemcjpg_2822476b.jpg)
(http://media.giphy.com/media/4Dy1Btpt0qUZa/giphy.gif)
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From Forrest on the VCU board
"Texas is a great short term opportunity for Shaka… but then again so was Alabama for Anthony Grant. Long term, in my opinion, the better opportunity for Mr. Smart is Richmond. The VCU program has the opportunity of becoming known as “the house that Shaka built” -or the “Shaka dynasty..” not just another stepping stone for a coaching career as Texas is offering.. the VCU program’s growth and branding potential is something so much more substantial.. Let’s just hope Shaka agrees."
Texas is a stepping stone job, but VCU is not.
Hey Forrest, stupid is as stupid says.
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There is some humor on the VCU board. Reminded me of Scoop!
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Texas is a great short term move, but also a better long term move than VCU. We all know that, but just look at Rick Barnes. He had early success and was able to ride just getting into the tournament at Texas for near two decades. Then when he leaves, he has a job at another fairly successful high major in what, 48 hours?
If things go south at VCU, Shaka will just be that gimmick guy that made a Final Four way back when. If he has modest success at UT, he'll be set for his career.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 13m13 minutes ago
VCU coach Shaka Smart has an 8 pm team meeting scheduled, sources told ESPN.
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Definition of a Glamor job, you make it a winning program.
Examples ... what was Duke in 1980? Better than MU? No, K made it a Glamor job.
Was Bucky a Glamour job before Bo? Gonzaga before Few. No, they made them Glamor jobs
If someone passes on MU because it's not a Glamor job, that means they are not that good. See Crean. Has he really done better better an IU than MU, other than one season? Conclusion, IU is exactly the same as MU because Crean is not doing better.
Wanna know the real problem with MU? It lacks a recruiting base. Translation. If the state of Wisconsin was produce high D1 basketball players like, say the state of Indiana does, it would be a much better program.
Just to clarify... based on your point of view... UNC, Kansas, UCLA, Kentucky, among others... all are NOT glamour jobs?
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Just to clarify... based on your point of view... UNC, Kansas, UCLA, Kentucky, among others... all are NOT glamour jobs?
No, try this ... Their are no glamour jobs, their are elite coaches. They make their job a glamour job. See Al McGuire. See K. See Calipari, see Pitino.
SO, the coach makes the job, the job does not make the coach. Crean taught us this again. Like I said above, Crean's success at IU is on par with his success at MU. So either IU and MU are the same job, or, "what you see is what you get with Crean." He can go to "insert elite school name here" and his results are going to be the same as the last 15 years.
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No, try this ... Their are no glamour jobs, their are elite coaches. They make their job a glamour job. See Al McGuire. See K. See Calipari, see Pitino.
SO, the coach makes the job, the job does not make the coach. Crean taught us this again. Like I said above, Crean's success at IU is on par with his success at MU. So either IU and MU are the same job, or, "what you see is what you get with Crean." He can go to "insert elite school name here" and his results are going to be the same as the last 15 years.
Very well said
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No, try this ... Their are no glamour jobs, their are elite coaches. They make their job a glamour job. See Al McGuire. See K. See Calipari, see Pitino.
SO, the coach makes the job, the job does not make the coach. Crean taught us this again. Like I said above, Crean's success at IU is on par with his success at MU. So either IU and MU are the same job, or, "what you see is what you get with Crean." He can go to "insert elite school name here" and his results are going to be the same as the last 15 years.
I guess I'm just confused. UNC (was a hell of a destination before Roy), Kansas (was a hell of a destination before Self), UCLA (was a hell of a destination before Alford), etc. I would argue there are certain schools/programs that are absolutely considered glamour jobs over others, regardless of what coach is there. Success at those schools, on the other hand, is dependent more upon the coach.
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I think his argument would be that Roy and Self had similar success at KU & Illinois, respectively (or at least Self's players did). Alford, well, not sure he's proven much other than UCLA still pulls in recruits.
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I guess I'm just confused. UNC (was a hell of a destination before Roy), Kansas (was a hell of a destination before Self), UCLA (was a hell of a destination before Alford), etc. I would argue there are certain schools/programs that are absolutely considered glamour jobs over others, regardless of what coach is there. Success at those schools, on the other hand, is dependent more upon the coach.
Which "glamour job" resulted in regular deep tourney runs and national championships without a great coach?
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I guess I'm just confused. UNC (was a hell of a destination before Roy), Kansas (was a hell of a destination before Self), UCLA (was a hell of a destination before Alford), etc. I would argue there are certain schools/programs that are absolutely considered glamour jobs over others, regardless of what coach is there. Success at those schools, on the other hand, is dependent more upon the coach.
They can get the elite coach because they have money, facilities conference (schedule/TV exposure) and fertile recruiting territories. But if they pick the wrong coach, they are very average. See Daugherty at UNC, see Gillespie at UK.
MU has money, facilities conference (schedule/TV exposure) but fertile recruiting territories (state of Wisconsin) has been good lately but will it always be this way? Unknown
(and don't worry about FS1, as they push MLB, NFL, Pac-12 and B1G, it will get more exposure. Recall how the Big East was foolish to pass network TV for something called ESPN. How did that work out?)
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I guess I'm just confused. UNC (was a hell of a destination before Roy)
Yes, but that's just because of the Matt Doherty legacy.
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I think his argument would be that Roy and Self had similar success at KU & Illinois, respectively (or at least Self's players did). Alford, well, not sure he's proven much other than UCLA still pulls in recruits.
.... because southern CA is full of high D1 recruits. Wisconsin does not (to contrast MU's problem)
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They can get the elite coach because they have money, facilities conference (schedule/TV exposure) and fertile recruiting territories. But if they pick the wrong coach, they are very average. See Daugherty at UNC, see Gillespie at UK.
MU has money, facilities conference (schedule/TV exposure) but fertile recruiting territories (state of Wisconsin) has been good lately but will it always be this way? Unknown
(and don't worry about FS1, as they push MLB, NFL, Pac-12 and B1G, it will get more exposure. Recall how the Big East was foolish to pass network TV for something called ESPN. How did that work out?)
No doubt. But even after those average coaches leave the university, those are still glamour jobs. That's my point. "Glamour" jobs supercede coaches.
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Which "glamour job" resulted in regular deep tourney runs and national championships without a great coach?
Like I said... success depends on the coach.
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Which "glamour job" resulted in regular deep tourney runs and national championships without a great coach?
+1
If it was the school, then Texas should hire some random assistant on the cheap.
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.... because southern CA is full of high D1 recruits. Wisconsin does not (to contrast MU's problem)
Yet Alford got his best recruit from Wisconsin...
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If it was the school, then Texas should hire some random assistant on the cheap.
Did you not read my post? Or the post he quoted?
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No doubt. But even after those average coaches leave the university, those are still glamour jobs. That's my point. "Glamour" jobs supercede coaches.
Let me define "Glamour" = they spend money and it's a priority. If DePaul spent money and made it a priority (which they do not right now), they could be a Glamour job.
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Jerry Meyer retweeted
Robbie King @robbieAreBest 12m12 minutes ago
BREAKING: Shaka Smart to replace Zayn Malik in One Direction
#donedeal?
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Let me define "Glamour" = they spend money and it's a priority. If DePaul spent money and made it a priority (which they do not right now), they could be a Glamour job.
Weird. You just said a couple posts ago that "there are no glamour jobs only elite coaches". And "they make their job a glamour job". Which is it? There aren't any or there are and they are defined as above?
Also, by your definition, Marquette is a glamour job.
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This "glamour job" discussion got me thinking.
As I noted, Crean moving to IU exposed either Crean or IU. Crean is not better than he was at MU (which is not bad). If Crean thought he had a ceiling at MU, his move to IU showed he did not. Or IU is no better than MU.
If Shaka go to Texas, does he do better than VCU? Does Shaka have a higher ceiling than he is showing at VCU? If VCU holding him back?
Now, personally Texas is better for Shaka than VCU as he will make a lot more money. But, if Shaka results at Texas are larger the same as VCU the last five years, does that mean he was a failure?
Can anyone name an established high D1 coach that was held back by his school? Even Calipari made FF at Mass and Memphis. So he was an established FF coach at multiple schools before schools before Kentucky. To be clear I'm not talking about mid-major coaches jumping to high major.
This is why I hate hiring retreads what they often do is repeat their performance at the next stop. They are not better.
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This "glamour job" discussion got me thinking.
As I noted, Crean moving to IU exposed either Crean or IU. Crean is not better than he was at MU (which is not bad). If Crean thought he had a ceiling at MU, his move to IU showed he did not. Or IU is no better than MU.
If Shaka go to Texas, does he do better than VCU? Does Shaka have a higher ceiling than he is showing at VCU? If VCU holding him back?
Now, personally Texas is better for Shaka than VCU as he will make a lot more money. But, if Shaka results at Texas are larger the same as VCU the last five years, does that mean he was a failure?
Can anyone name an established high D1 coach that was held back by his school? Even Calipari made FF at Mass and Memphis. So he was an established FF coach at multiple schools before schools before Kentucky. To be clear I'm not talking about mid-major coaches jumping to high major.
This is why I hate hiring retreads what they often do is repeat their performance at the next stop. They are not better.
Wouldn't VCU by definition be a mid major?
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This "glamour job" discussion got me thinking.
As I noted, Crean moving to IU exposed either Crean or IU. Crean is not better than he was at MU (which is not bad). If Crean thought he had a ceiling at MU, his move to IU showed he did not. Or IU is no better than MU.
If Shaka go to Texas, does he do better than VCU? Does Shaka have a higher ceiling than he is showing at VCU? If VCU holding him back?
Now, personally Texas is better for Shaka than VCU as he will make a lot more money. But, if Shaka results at Texas are larger the same as VCU the last five years, does that mean he was a failure?
Can anyone name an established high D1 coach that was held back by his school? Even Calipari made FF at Mass and Memphis. So he was an established FF coach at multiple schools before schools before Kentucky. To be clear I'm not talking about mid-major coaches jumping to high major.
This is why I hate hiring retreads what they often do is repeat their performance at the next stop. They are not better.
Did it get you thinking about your definition of glamour job? And your flip-flopping of whether they exist?
Also, I don't think using the Calipari example is a great one, considering how he got those FFs at Mass and Memphis.
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Just checked the VCU board and the site is crashing. It's not allowing new posters. Willie, since you already have an account, get in there and TROLLOLOLOLLLL.
There is even a St Joe's poster in there hoping that Shaka doesn't leave (I never thought about his departure's effect on their conference mates).
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Let me define "Glamour" = they spend money and it's a priority. If DePaul spent money and made it a priority (which they do not right now), they could be a Glamour job.
30-35 years ago DePaul was absolutely a glamour job. Played on WGN and before Jordan was huge were the biggest game in town.
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Just checked the VCU board and the site is crashing. It's not allowing new posters. Willie, since you already have an account, get in there and TROLLOLOLOLLLL.
There is even a St Joe's poster in there hoping that Shaka doesn't leave (I never thought about his departure's effect on their conference mates).
Allegedly UT checked on Jay Wright's interest in their HC job. I would never want him to leave the Big East.
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Allegedly UT checked on Jay Wright's interest in their HC job. I would never want him to leave the Big East.
Any rumors about UT going hard for Bert? I mean, that was the Scoop Boogeyman for years!
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Wouldn't VCU by definition be a mid major?
Good question.
Is a mid-major simply someone not in the Power 5 and/or BE? Or is a mid-major based on that schools' performance. In their recruiting and record, VCU looks like a high major school (while DePaul and/or Northwestern are more like mid-majors).
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Shaka to UT sounds like it's happening.
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#donedeal
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RT @SportsCenter: BREAKING: Shaka Smart has accepted Texas' head coaching job. (via @GoodmanESPN and media reports) http://t.co/VlDiPJk32v7 mins ago
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Wow. Ram Nation on total meltdown mode now. Gotta love it.
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Any rumors about UT going hard for Bert? I mean, that was the Scoop Boogeyman for years!
That was before the unknowns started to be knowns.
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A local BBQ joint has an offer for Shaka if he stays:
Buz and Ned's @buzandneds
We are offering Shaka Smart unlimited Brisket and Apple Fritters if he decides to stay at VCU. #shakawatch 2015
10:23 AM - 2 Apr 2015
I think he can do better in TX!
Guess the Apple Fritters did not outweigh the Longhorn cash. Wonder how Mr. Smart will feel when the football longhorn pierces his arse.
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Guess the Apple Fritters did not outweigh the Longhorn cash. Wonder how Mr. Smart will feel when the football longhorn pierces his arse.
That's the best part about the UT job. Zero pressure. Rick Barnes lasted 17 years at a school with that budget and never made a Final Four. Probably could still be there too if he really wanted to be
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Rick Barnes lasted 17 years at a school with that budget and never made a Final Four.
Hmmm. I could have sworn that was Texas in the '03 FF with us, Kansas and 'Cuse.
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Hmmm. I could have sworn that was Texas in the '03 FF with us, Kansas and 'Cuse.
Yes, I'm mistaken. Website I saw cited the two in the '40s. I hated everything about that FF except that MU made it there
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Wow. Ram Nation on total meltdown mode now. Gotta love it.
Wonder what Doc thinks after he stiffed us last year?
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Wonder what Doc thinks after he stiffed us last year?
That Shaka's wife prefers Austin over Milwaukee. Doc understands this, that's why he took less money for years in Orlando because his wife (Marotta's former GF) did not want to move. Eventually at the end of his career he was forced to move around.
Remember the story is Shaka "soft verballed" for the MU job but his wife balked and he backed out. The #donedeal and local stories that he was coming were not made up out of whole cloth, their was a reason they happened ... Sources in MU thought it was truly going to happen and that belief leaked out into the coverage.
(Side note, Shaka's wife is a Harvard and Northwestern grad, she "gets" what Milwaukee and its weather is all about)
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That Shaka's wife prefers Austin over Milwaukee.
If Marquette ever wants to compete for a quality head coach it needs to take some of that enormous amount of money it spends on basketball and invest in some world class BBQ joints, obviously.
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That Shaka's wife prefers Austin over Milwaukee. Doc understands this, that's why he took less money for years in Orlando because his wife (Marotta's former GF) did not want to move. Eventually at the end of his career he was forced to move around.
Remember the story is Shaka "soft verballed" for the MU job but his wife balked and he backed out. The #donedeal and local stories that he was coming were not made up out of whole cloth, their was a reason they happened ... Sources in MU thought it was truly going to happen and that belief leaked out into the coverage.
(Side note, Shaka's wife is a Harvard and Northwestern grad, she "gets" what Milwaukee and its weather is all about)
You are making way too many assumptions here about why Shaka turned down the MU job after the "soft verbal." The vacancy at the AD position didn't help.
And regardless of weather, there are a number of reasons why the Texas job is more attractive than the Marquette job anyway. In the end, he was wise to wait.
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That Shaka's wife prefers Austin over Milwaukee. Doc understands this, that's why he took less money for years in Orlando because his wife (Marotta's former GF) did not want to move. Eventually at the end of his career he was forced to move around.
Remember the story is Shaka "soft verballed" for the MU job but his wife balked and he backed out. The #donedeal and local stories that he was coming were not made up out of whole cloth, their was a reason they happened ... Sources in MU thought it was truly going to happen and that belief leaked out into the coverage.
(Side note, Shaka's wife is a Harvard and Northwestern grad, she "gets" what Milwaukee and its weather is all about)
Well, you don't know Doc. He was not happy at all by the reversal.
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Well, you don't know Doc. He was not happy at all by the reversal.
+1
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You are making way too many assumptions here about why Shaka turned down the MU job after the "soft verbal." The vacancy at the AD position didn't help.
And regardless of weather, there are a number of reasons why the Texas job is more attractive than the Marquette job anyway. In the end, he was wise to wait.
Not making assumptions, explaining the story as I understood it. Please correct.
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Not making assumptions, explaining the story as I understood it. Please correct.
The way I understand it, Maya Smart is Shaka's de facto agent. So to say that she didn't want to come to Milwaukee over things like weather, simplifies it too much.
There were concerns brought up, some of which Marquette addressed. (Moving up the naming of President Lovell for instance.) There were some that simply couldn't be. (The AD vacancy for instance.) Doc, as a member of the BOT, sought to alleviate some of their concerns about the AD, but in the end it wasn't enough.
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Not making assumptions, explaining the story as I understood it. Please correct.
Maya Smart is a highly educated individual.
To enunciate that she and Shaka would turn down a good career move simply because of the weather is dense.
Shaka was very interested in the job. Likely agreed in principle. When he and his wife discussed it, they ultimately decided against it. (the reasons Sultan gave seem logical).
I doubt Maya Smart checked weather.com and told Shaka "nope, we're not going".
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Maya Smart is a highly educated individual.
To enunciate that she and Shaka would turn down a good career move simply because of the weather is dense.
Shaka was very interested in the job. Likely agreed in principle. When he and his wife discussed it, they ultimately decided against it. (the reasons Sultan gave seem logical).
I doubt Maya Smart checked weather.com and told Shaka "nope, we're not going".
That is not what I meant. I was trying to say to others reading my post that it was more than the weather sucks in Milwaukee. I was not implying I thought that is why she swayed Shaka away.
The larger point is Shaka seriously considered MU and circumstances prevented it from happening (i.e., no AD). Let's end 4ever thought/post that MU was not "good enough" and UT is "better."
It's better described as the stars aligned for UT but not for MU.
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That is not what I meant. I was trying to say to others reading my post that it was more than the weather sucks in Milwaukee. I was not implying I thought that is why she swayed Shaka away.
The larger point is Shaka seriously considered MU and circumstances prevented it from happening (i.e., no AD). Let's end 4ever thought/post that MU was not "good enough" and UT is "better."
It's better described as the stars aligned for UT but not for MU.
Well, personally, I do see the UT job as having more upside than MU, but that really doesn't matter.
I only bring up Maya because she's not the typical coach's wife. She's highly educated and very successful in her field. It's not surprising that she and Shaka make professional decisions together. I don't think it's fair to say things like "she balked".
MU was likely a good move for Shaka last year, but maybe not the best move for "the Smarts".
Obviously they feel UT is a good move for both of them .
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That Shaka's wife prefers Austin over Milwaukee. Doc understands this, that's why he took less money for years in Orlando because his wife (Marotta's former GF) did not want to move. Eventually at the end of his career he was forced to move around.
Remember the story is Shaka "soft verballed" for the MU job but his wife balked and he backed out. The #donedeal and local stories that he was coming were not made up out of whole cloth, their was a reason they happened ... Sources in MU thought it was truly going to happen and that belief leaked out into the coverage.
(Side note, Shaka's wife is a Harvard and Northwestern grad, she "gets" what Milwaukee and its weather is all about)
The Mrs. Smart turned us down and Shaka demanded to pick the next AD story is largely MUScoop myth
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Keep in mind Shaka is from Wisconsin. He had strong interest in Marquette. The story, as it was told to me, was that he told Doc Rivers he wanted the job and was interested.
There are a million issues with semantics and what was actually said, I'm sure. But I don't really buy that there was just a "misunderstanding." I think Shaka changed his mind. And that's OK, but to then claim there was "no interest" doesn't make Marquette look super great.
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That is not what I meant. I was trying to say to others reading my post that it was more than the weather sucks in Milwaukee. I was not implying I thought that is why she swayed Shaka away.
The larger point is Shaka seriously considered MU and circumstances prevented it from happening (i.e., no AD). Let's end 4ever thought/post that MU was not "good enough" and UT is "better."
It's better described as the stars aligned for UT but not for MU.
Really? You honestly don't think the Texas job is better? Man, I love my school as much as anyone on this board, but I can be realistic and objective 'bout its spot in the college basketball world, hey?
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Really? You honestly don't think the Texas job is better? Man, I love my school as much as anyone on this board, but I can be realistic and objective 'bout its spot in the college basketball world, hey?
Agreed. Texas is better situated to succeed in men's college basketball. That doesn't mean that they will, but they definitely have more to work with. Of course, that just makes it sweeter when MU does succeed.
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Really? You honestly don't think the Texas job is better? Man, I love my school as much as anyone on this board, but I can be realistic and objective 'bout its spot in the college basketball world, hey?
Texas is better situated to succeed in the future but MU as a basketball school is more elite. More S16s more E8s a NC.
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Really? You honestly don't think the Texas job is better? Man, I love my school as much as anyone on this board, but I can be realistic and objective 'bout its spot in the college basketball world, hey?
The Texas job is bigger. I feel the Marquette job is better.
There are probably 40-50 jobs that are bigger than Marquette. But when you factor in the finances, dedication to the program, and the ability to sustain success, I'm not sure more than maybe 5-10 jobs are actually better.
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Let me boil this down and correct anything that is wrong here ...
Shaka has been the top of just about everyone's wish list for the last 4 or 5 years. As far we we know, he has only directly talked to two schools, MU and UT (taking UT). Before they hired Alford, I believe he even said "thanks but no thanks" to UCLA, never getting as far with them as he did with us. Everyone else (Minn, Ill, etc.) all they got from their inquires was an email that said "no," if that. We got three days of intensive talks and a long explanation to Doc on why not.
So we are one of only two schools the hottest property has ever considered. Unfortunately we had no President or AD so he was talking with interims and that hurt our position in landing him.
Ok, what did I get wrong?
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Let me boil this down and correct anything that is wrong here ...
Shaka has been the top of just about everyone's wish list for the last 4 or 5 years. As far we we know, he has only directly talked to two schools, MU and UT (taking UT). Before they hired Alford, I believe he even said "thanks but no thanks" to UCLA, never getting as far with them as he did with us. Everyone else (Minn, Ill, etc.) all they got from their inquires was an email that said "no," if that. We got three days of intensive talks and a long explanation to Doc on why not.
So we are one of only two schools the hottest property has ever considered. Unfortunately we had no President or AD so he was talking with interims and that hurt our position in landing him.
Ok, what did I get wrong?
Not wrong, but you are looking at things too objectively. Not every person is going to view the same situations in the same manner.
Perhaps Shaka's relationship or opinion of Doc Rivers (which I know nothing about) may have influenced his decision to listen to the Marquette offer more seriously. Perhaps he was interested in returning to his home state and that was also an undue influence.
Those subjective factors may have caused Shaka to have shown more interest in Marquette than other coaches of similar stature.
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I'd assume that, if you had the cred Shaka does, you'd want to take a job that gave you a solid improvement in recruiting base. As we have seen time and time again, Wisconsin doesn't give you that.
I'd guess a Texas/Florida/mayyyyybe Indiana
Keep in mind Shaka was quoted as saying he didn't enjoy his time in Madison and highlighted a series of racist incidents he was the victim of. Not sure I'd be high-tailing it home if that was my experience.
Madison is such hypocritical city in that regards. Highly liberal and progressive, but so lilly white in everything they do. The racist bullshyte they pull with Milwaukee kids, etc, is just crap.
The one that caps it off to me is this.....you can't make this stuff up. Who is the head of the Afro-American Studies department at UW-madison. Cracks me up
http://afroamericanstudies.wisc.edu/people/werner.html
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Madison is such hypocritical city in that regards. Highly liberal and progressive, but so lilly white in everything they do. The racist bullshyte they pull with Milwaukee kids, etc, is just crap.
The one that caps it off to me is this.....you can't make this stuff up. Who is the head of the Afro-American Studies department at UW-madison. Cracks me up
http://afroamericanstudies.wisc.edu/people/werner.html
Uh...aren't you being just as racist here?
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Uh...aren't you being just as racist here?
Nope....do you know the story of why he is heading the department?
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Nope....do you know the story of why he is heading the department?
I don't, please tell
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Nope....do you know the story of why he is heading the department?
Irrelevant. You posted the link to the picture because he is white. If there was a backstory you would have told it.
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Uh...aren't you being just as racist here?
Pulling the race card, Reverend Al?
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