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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 28, 2015, 02:33:45 PM

Title: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: tower912 on March 28, 2015, 02:33:45 PM
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/03/cornell_graduate_transfer_shon.html#incart_river

Some heavy hitters competing for this guy.    He HAS to transfer, as the Ivy league prohibits graduate students from playing sports. 

BTW, just another way to spell Sean/Shawn/Shaun/Shawon/Shean/Shon/Shonn/Schon.
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: brewcity77 on March 28, 2015, 02:42:39 PM
Marquette also talked to him this week. Will be a tough get. Anyone know how many scholarships Michigan has? Be a shame to see them get him and Mike Edwards.
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: nyg on March 28, 2015, 02:48:14 PM
Marquette also talked to him this week. Will be a tough get. Anyone know how many scholarships Michigan has? Be a shame to see them get him and Mike Edwards.

They have no seniors on this year's team and have not signed anyone for 2015 that I could find.  Levert may go pro, so that would free up one if he leaves.  Otherwise zero.........?
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: chapman on March 28, 2015, 05:35:28 PM
He HAS to transfer, as the Ivy league prohibits graduate students from playing sports. 

Was wondering about this "forced" angle - couldn't he simply delay graduation, take some more courses or pursue a second undergraduate major if he wanted to stay?  Not saying it's not a better decision to graduate from an Ivy in four years, take some grad classes elsewhere and play for a team that could be tournament-bound, just seemed that the whole "only option" story seems to not be completely true, no?

Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 28, 2015, 05:45:57 PM
Was wondering about this "forced" angle - couldn't he simply delay graduation, take some more courses or pursue a second undergraduate major if he wanted to stay?  Not saying it's not a better decision to graduate from an Ivy in four years, take some grad classes elsewhere and play for a team that could be tournament-bound, just seemed that the whole "only option" story seems to not be completely true, no?



Since you're talking an Ivy League rule, I guess that your only chance for an answer would be if a compliance officer from an Ivy League athletic department happens across this thread.
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: brandx on March 28, 2015, 06:16:37 PM
Was wondering about this "forced" angle - couldn't he simply delay graduation, take some more courses or pursue a second undergraduate major if he wanted to stay?  Not saying it's not a better decision to graduate from an Ivy in four years, take some grad classes elsewhere and play for a team that could be tournament-bound, just seemed that the whole "only option" story seems to not be completely true, no?



He missed a year with an injury. In the Ivy, you only have 4 years to compete rather than 5.
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 28, 2015, 06:21:49 PM
He missed a year with an injury. In the Ivy, you only have 4 years to compete rather than 5.

Ahh, so the Ivy has a no redshirt rule.
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 28, 2015, 06:41:23 PM
Since you're talking an Ivy League rule, I guess that your only chance for an answer would be if a compliance officer from an Ivy League athletic department happens across this thread.

There's only different rules in hockey........
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 28, 2015, 06:51:30 PM
There's only different rules in hockey........

Then why can't Shonn Miller play basketball at Cornell anymore?
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: forgetful on March 28, 2015, 06:58:33 PM
The Ivy league does not allow redshirts.  You have 4-years to play, that is all.  It is the reason why some Ivy league schools bend the rules by having recruits spend a year at a local community college and still practice at the Ivy facilities.  It is a defacto redshirt.
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: Groin_pull on March 28, 2015, 07:30:42 PM
Ivy League? That wouldn't get him in UW.  ::)
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: D'Lo Brown on March 28, 2015, 07:56:35 PM
Ivy League? That wouldn't get him in UW.  ::)

That's why he had to go to Cornell (Maryland of the Ivy League).
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 28, 2015, 09:07:54 PM
They have no seniors on this year's team and have not signed anyone for 2015 that I could find.  Levert may go pro, so that would free up one if he leaves.  Otherwise zero.........?

At this point, correct. But if they want Miller and Edwards, then they will find room for them.
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 29, 2015, 05:05:45 PM
I guess someone on Michigan's roster will have to be Beelined out.





Yeah, I know that's not how it's spelled. 
From Michigan's web site.  Pronunciation: "Bee-Line"
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: The Equalizer on March 29, 2015, 05:41:10 PM
Marquette also talked to him this week. Will be a tough get. Anyone know how many scholarships Michigan has? Be a shame to see them get him and Mike Edwards.

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Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 29, 2015, 06:15:38 PM
Since you're talking an Ivy League rule, I guess that your only chance for an answer would be if a compliance officer from an Ivy League athletic department happens across this thread.
I guess we will just need to call up the wisconsin compliance director than seeing they are the closest ivy league school
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: keefe on March 30, 2015, 01:24:59 AM
That's why he had to go to Cornell (Maryland of the Ivy League).

The Back Door of the Ivy League
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: Jay Bee on March 30, 2015, 03:13:28 AM
Don't count on traditional media or message boards to get things correct on compliance issues.

It is most certainly possible to receive a medical hardship waiver for a season and compete four years over a five year period in the Ivy.
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: The Equalizer on March 30, 2015, 11:11:54 AM
Don't count on traditional media or message boards to get things correct on compliance issues.

It is most certainly possible to receive a medical hardship waiver for a season and compete four years over a five year period in the Ivy.

Are you saying that Shonn Miller is eligible to play for Cornell next year?




Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: forgetful on March 30, 2015, 11:16:56 AM
Don't count on traditional media or message boards to get things correct on compliance issues.

It is most certainly possible to receive a medical hardship waiver for a season and compete four years over a five year period in the Ivy.

You can believe this, but you are wrong.
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 30, 2015, 11:50:27 AM
Good to hear we've reached out. Hopefully he steps foot on campus soon and realizes there are a lot of minutes for him here as we go for the NCAA tournament next year.

Also: he would get a nice trip to Italy, which can't hurt.
Title: Re: Shonn Miller visiting the Wolverines
Post by: Jay Bee on March 30, 2015, 02:09:15 PM
Are you saying that Shonn Miller is eligible to play for Cornell next year?

I am saying exactly what I said.

As for Miller, his sitting out a year appeared - from a distance - a decision and not a result of being incapable of competing. If my take is accurate, he wouldn't meet the medical hardship waiver requirements of the NCAA (which are also used by the Ivy League).