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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: AlienWarrior on March 26, 2015, 09:03:05 PM
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They just beat an excellent and hot Carolina team and are in the toughest regional having to go through AZ most likely and until we are one of the top teams in Wisconsin instead of #3 or 4, there is no reason to root against them. They can play fast or slow and are well coached and hold onto their players. The in state rival stuff is OK during the season but there is no reason to root against them when we can't hold their jocks the last couple of years.
Go ahead and blast away.
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They just beat an excellent and hot Carolina team and are in the toughest regional having to go through AZ most likely and until we are one of the top teams in Wisconsin instead of #3 or 4, there is no reason to root against them. They can play fast or slow and are well coached and hold onto their players. The in state rival stuff is OK during the season but there is no reason to root against them when we can't hold their jocks the last couple of years.
Go ahead and blast away.
Wrong...GO ARIZONA!
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Screw da Vadgers.
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UWM is very good. I'm cheering for Zona, but UWM beats whichever team wins.
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Big thing tonite is that UNC did not respect Zak Showalter. His contributions in a short time turned the game around. Otherwise, it was UNC's game.
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Love Bucky's style this year. It pains me to say that, but they're truly fun to watch
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Hard to trash the in-state rivals when MU has been pretty bad. Still sucks to see UW win though. At least Im winning my bracket now.
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A NC team with 11 losses,I had little doubt they would win. They have really good players at 4 positions and most are
upperclassmen. Bos team never fouls anyone ,just ask him. I guess its good for Wisconsin, but half of their fans are toads!
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The Badgers are outstanding. It gives us a great benchmark to shoot for. Let's hope we start to take some steps in that direction next year.
One thing particularly impresses me. The State of Wisconsin is producing great basketball players these days. Hopefully enough to successfully stock 2 top tier in state programs. I'd rather have any in state star stay home. Well, maybe not Diamond.
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Bos team never fouls anyone ,just ask him. I guess its good for Wisconsin, but half of their fans are toads!
We finally saw what happens with nonpartisan refs that aren't afraid of Bo tonight. Lo and behold...they DO foul! :o
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Do you think they rooted for us when we were in the Elite 8 2 seasons back?
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Do you think they rooted for us when we were in the Elite 8 2 seasons back?
Who cares? I'm admittedly somewhat removed from most of their fan base, but there are far more evil teams than Bucky left
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Who cares? I'm admittedly somewhat removed from most of their fan base, but there are far more evil teams than Bucky left
No there aren't.
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Who cares? I'm admittedly somewhat removed from most of their fan base, but there are far more evil teams than Bucky left
FIB :)
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Kentucky is much more fun to watch. The only redeeming value with Wiscky is that there are some local kids on the roster.
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FIB :)
True
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It is perfectly OK to hate/not like them but it is just plain irrational and stupid not to respect them or realize how good they are. Don't have to like it but the "they are not athletic" or "Dekker isn't that good" or "Kaminsky is over rated" stuff is soooooooooooo old. And next it will be Diamond can't hold Henry's jock"
Get over it people. We will be back sooner than later. But stop being stupid and bitter
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It is perfectly OK to hate/not like them but it is just plain irrational and stupid not to respect them or realize how good they are. Don't have to like it but the "they are not athletic" or "Dekker isn't that good" or "Kaminsky is over rated" stuff is soooooooooooo old. And next it will be Diamond can't hold Henry's jock"
Get over it people. We will be back sooner than later. But stop being stupid and bitter
They aren't athletic compared to a lot of teams. Just like Riley LaChance is not athletic compared to a lot of D1 basketball players. Doesn't mean I'm hating on them. Just what it is. They have better basketball skills than teams (UNC) and players (Tokoto, for example) who are just athletic.
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Said it before. The ONLY team that can beat them is Kentucky and they are the only team that can beat Big Blue. The rest of it is just warm ups.
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Said it before. The ONLY team that can beat them is Kentucky and they are the only team that can beat Big Blue. The rest of it is just warm ups.
Other than Duke, Maryland and Rutgers you mean?
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They aren't athletic compared to a lot of teams. Just like Riley LaChance is not athletic compared to a lot of D1 basketball players. Doesn't mean I'm hating on them. Just what it is. They have better basketball skills than teams (UNC) and players (Tokoto, for example) who are just athletic.
Whatever makes you happy.If you saw Dekker tonight you are a moron to doubt his athleticism. That narrative is old. We're about to take ou 3rd straight loss next year not to mention their NCAA success. Get real for once Wades
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Whatever makes you happy.If you saw Dekker tonight you are a moron to doubt his athleticism. That narrative is old. We're about to take ou 3rd straight loss next year not to mention their NCAA success. Get real for once Wades
Right, so you have 1 athlete...
Congrats to your Badgers man. They aren't athletic. They are very skilled. Not sure what's hard to understand about that but okay.
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It's okay to admit Bucky is good, it really is. You don't have to like them, but to deny the quality of their team is disingenuous
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It's okay to admit Bucky is good, it really is. You don't have to like them, but to deny the quality of their team is disingenuous
Never said they aren't good. Some people seem to think you have to be athletic to be good. In my opinion, that's where Bert faulted most.
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Never said they aren't good. Some people seem to think you have to be athletic to be good. In my opinion, that's where Bert faulted most.
I'd agree with that as well
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Wisconsin is really good. Could win the whole thing. But I definitely don't think it's wrong to root against them or think that they are unbeatable.
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Wisconsin is really good. Could win the whole thing. But I definitely don't think it's wrong to root against them or think that they are unbeatable.
They're not Kentucky. Bucky picked a bad year to have their best team.
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They're not Kentucky. Bucky picked a bad year to have their best team.
I hope you are right about that--could come down to one game......and I'm not betting against Bo in that situation.
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Theyre good, but that still doesnt mean I respect them. They have a good team, but I cant stand Bo's antics, Kaminsky is overrated, he will be the next Jon Leuer in the NBA and theres something about Koening and Gasser that just irk me. I will say I do like Dekker and Bo's system does not do him justice. He will be fine at the next level.
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I'm a Marquette alum and born and raised in Wisconsin. There is no reason for me to not want my state's teams to do well. Go Wisconsin and go Xavier (for the sake of the conference). There will always be a part of me that wants Marquette to continue to be the last champion in the state, but I have to root for my state. We have great basketball in this state and I want the country to know that. I have plenty of friends that cheer for both.
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Oh, almost forgot about Duje. He was a real piece of work in high school, as well as his parents. Could never cheer for the Badgers based on him alone.
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Theyre good, but that still doesnt mean I respect them. They have a good team, but I cant stand Bo's antics, Kaminsky is overrated, he will be the next Jon Leuer in the NBA and theres something about Koening and Gasser that just irk me. I will say I do like Dekker and Bo's system does not do him justice. He will be fine at the next level.
I care very little about how players will translate to the NBA as I have no respect for the NBA. You have to respect the game as they're playing it now
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Oh, almost forgot about Duje. He was a real piece of work in high school, as well as his parents. Could never cheer for the Badgers based on him alone.
Not much to dislike about Hayes though.
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Not much to dislike about Hayes though.
Umm...his uniform
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Umm...his uniform
Yes. Besides that.
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Do you think they rooted for us when we were in the Elite 8 2 seasons back?
yeah..I have plenty of friends and people I knew that went to madison that also cheer for MUBB in the tournament when we made our runs.
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I'm a Marquette alum and born and raised in Wisconsin. There is no reason for me to not want my state's teams to do well. Go Wisconsin and go Xavier (for the sake of the conference). There will always be a part of me that wants Marquette to continue to be the last champion in the state, but I have to root for my state. We have great basketball in this state and I want the country to know that. I have plenty of friends that cheer for both.
I was born in Madison I hate that f-ing school. How can one root for them? Their fans suck - bunch of no talent racist assclowns.
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They're not Kentucky. Bucky picked a bad year to have their best team.
I agree. Kentucky is going to romp through the rest of the tourney. Doesn't take away that this is a good Wisconsin team, the best I can recall.
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When it comes to Wisconsin vs. Kentucky, it will be necessary to choose the team I hate the least of the two, and I'm afraid it will be bucky.
They played a very nice game today.
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Oh, almost forgot about Duje. He was a real piece of work in high school, as well as his parents. Could never cheer for the Badgers based on him alone.
Haven't heard this. But intrigued?
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The Badgers are a much better team with Koenig running the show.
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Do you think they rooted for us when we were in the Elite 8 2 seasons back?
Way back when, during the 2003 regional in Minneapolis, the fans of both teams actually had some 'state' pride and charity, now it's all about tearing each other down. Congrats on this new mentality! ::)
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I was born in Madison I hate that f-ing school. How can one root for them? Their fans suck - bunch of no talent racist assclowns.
I agree. I live in the Madison area and this sucks. I hope Arizona takes them out or Kentucky destroys them!
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Haven't heard this. But intrigued?
Got to see Duje a lot during his time in school. My dad coaches in the same conference so saw him at least twice, maybe 3 times a year. Typical entitled Deerfield kid, always complained to the refs, palms up every time etc. Same with his parents. Deerfield parents are historically really bad. In defense of the Dukan family I never heard them say this but other parents have used the N word a few times.
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Way back when, during the 2003 regional in Minneapolis, the fans of both teams actually had some 'state' pride and charity, now it's all about tearing each other down. Congrats on this new mentality! ::)
I can assure you that I rooted for the Badgers until their fans made it impossible for me not to loathe them.
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I was born in Madison I hate that f-ing school. How can one root for them? Their fans suck - bunch of no talent racist assclowns.
You'd probably fit in pretty well.
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Somebody wake me when this nightmare is over, I hate this season and I hate the gol-darn Vadgers! If they beat Zona I'll pull a Werner Herzog and eat my shoe.
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Way back when, during the 2003 regional in Minneapolis, the fans of both teams actually had some 'state' pride and charity, now it's all about tearing each other down. Congrats on this new mentality! ::)
That's not exactly what happened. MU fans cheered on Wisconsin, but Bo forgot to double down on Estill and lost. Then when MU played Pittsburgh, the UW fans had left or were mild in their cheering.
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Not feeling good about this Badger team. Please save us all from a national championship.
My badger hate also might cost me big dollars for my bracket. Had a L vs. North Carolina.
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They just beat an excellent and hot Carolina team and are in the toughest regional having to go through AZ most likely and until we are one of the top teams in Wisconsin instead of #3 or 4, there is no reason to root against them. They can play fast or slow and are well coached and hold onto their players. The in state rival stuff is OK during the season but there is no reason to root against them when we can't hold their jocks the last couple of years.
Go ahead and blast away.
I'm constantly surprised at how people seemingly don't understand sports fandom. You root against your rivals. Bears fans don't want the Packers winning and vice versa. Yankees and Red Sox, etc down to d3 lacrosse and the CFL. That's just how it works. Don't fight it.
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You'd probably fit in pretty well.
This makes zero sense.
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If you just based it on what I saw last night, Wisconsin looked a lot better than Arizona. Of course they'll have to prove it on the floor tomorrow, but I think it is back-to-back Final Fours for them.
I don't think anybody beats Kentucky, but Wisconsin and Duke are the only teams I see with a chance.
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It is perfectly OK to hate/not like them but it is just plain irrational and stupid not to respect them or realize how good they are. Don't have to like it but the "they are not athletic" or "Dekker isn't that good" or "Kaminsky is over rated" stuff is soooooooooooo old. And next it will be Diamond can't hold Henry's jock"
Get over it people. We will be back sooner than later. But stop being stupid and bitter
WTF, who are you accusing of saying that stuff? I haven't seen that.
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That's not exactly what happened. MU fans cheered on Wisconsin, but Bo forgot to double down on Estill and lost. Then when MU played Pittsburgh, the UW fans had left or were mild in their cheering.
That's exactly right and remains to this day. Others can enjoy cheering the rodents while they dis MU every and any chance they get, whether we are down or up. Our roles will reverse in future and you will not find this on a rodent board.
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If you just based it on what I saw last night, the Wisconsin looked a lot better than Arizona.
To be fair, Xavier doesn't tend to make anyone look good (except Villanova). Only Butler and 'Nova beat X by double digits this year, and the Butler game was very close until the last 10 minutes or so. Arizona's a better team than the ones that the Badgers beat last year, though I did think UNC was the best bet to knock them off before the Final Four. It'll be interesting to see what Arizona does with just 2 days to prep for the game. UNC had a lot of success speeding Bucky up, but just couldn't hit enough shots down the stretch. Should be a very good game, though my gut says Bucky escapes in another nail-biter.
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I'm constantly surprised at how people seemingly don't understand sports fandom. You root against your rivals. Bears fans don't want the Packers winning and vice versa. Yankees and Red Sox, etc down to d3 lacrosse and the CFL. That's just how it works. Don't fight it.
+ A lot
Even if I weren't an MU fan, why the f--- should I root for the Badgers?
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That's exactly right and remains to this day. Others can enjoy cheering the rodents while they dis MU every and any chance they get, whether we are down or up. Our roles will reverse in future and you will not find this on a rodent board.
Maybe for the Pitt game. But when MU played Kentucky two nights later, half the dome was in red and that place was loud. Ear splitting loud.
I think had MU played game 1 and lost your be a bit heartbroken and not be crazy into whoever played in game 2 either.
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there was a period of time during that game where UNC looked bigger/stronger/more aggressive, and foul trouble found them, and greatly effected how aggressive they could play. i think UW is a very good team...probably a final four team. i also think they're a step below duke, could lose to anyone left in the tourney on any given night, and won't really even be competitive against kentucky. there best chance at a championship was really last year, but if they beat zona, two final four runs is certainly impressive. even in the crap shoot that clearly shows tom izzo is the luckiest man in the world.
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Maybe for the Pitt game. But when MU played Kentucky two nights later, half the dome was in red and that place was loud. Ear splitting loud.
That's not how I remember it at all.
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Way back when, during the 2003 regional in Minneapolis, the fans of both teams actually had some 'state' pride and charity, now it's all about tearing each other down. Congrats on this new mentality! ::)
I keep hearing people say this, but it is contrary to what I saw that day in the dome. I was sitting at the edge of an MU section in the lower corner, directly adjacent to a UW section. After UW lost to UK, the fans I saw had either lost interest, or were cheering for Pitt.
I'm sure a few Badger fans cheered for MU, but there weren't many in the dome.
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Maybe for the Pitt game. But when MU played Kentucky two nights later, half the dome was in red and that place was loud. Ear splitting loud.
Not from where I was sitting.
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Maybe for the Pitt game. But when MU played Kentucky two nights later, half the dome was in red and that place was loud. Ear splitting loud.
I was there, and this isn't remotely true. There was very little red in the crowd that day. Mostly gold, a little UK blue.
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I'll take the blame for them winning last night. When UNC was up 4 with about 6 minutes left my buddy bet me -3 to Wisconsin and I took it. Right away they went on their 9 point run and didn't look back. I knew that by making the bet not only would I lose money, but the Badgers would win. I'm ashamed of myself.
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Does anyone actually believe, if it comes down to it, that the Badgers can beat Kentucky? I mean, they pretty much squeaked by UNC (at least for most of the game). They're a great team no doubt, but Kentucky looks like a team that could win some games in the NBA.
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Does anyone actually believe (if it comes down to it) that the Badgers can beat Kentucky? I mean, they pretty much squeaked by UNC. They're a great team no doubt, but Kentucky looks like a team that could win some games in the NBA.
We hear this about a college team just about every year. They wouldn't come close.
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We hear this about a college team just about every year. They wouldn't come close.
I don't know, I could see them with a chance at beating some of the pretty bad teams in the NBA. Not saying much, but still.
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I don't know, I could see them with a chance at beating some of the pretty bad teams in the NBA. Not saying much, but still.
Sorry, but no freaking way. That's just absurd to state as even a maybe.
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Maybe for the Pitt game. But when MU played Kentucky two nights later, half the dome was in red and that place was loud. Ear splitting loud.
I think had MU played game 1 and lost your be a bit heartbroken and not be crazy into whoever played in game 2 either.
I'll be the fifth or sixth person to chime in here and say you are absolutely wrong about this. My time in the dome is etched in concrete in my mind and it's utter bull$hit what you're trying to spew about Wisconsin fans cheering hard for Marquette to beat either/or/both of Pitt and Kentucky. Zero truth to it.
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They wouldn't go without winning a game over the regular season, but they would have the worst record in the league. Just watch an NBA game. Even a bad one. The pace, the size, is way different than college.
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Maybe for the Pitt game. But when MU played Kentucky two nights later, half the dome was in red and that place was loud. Ear splitting loud.
I think had MU played game 1 and lost your be a bit heartbroken and not be crazy into whoever played in game 2 either.
Not at all accurate from where I was sitting. It was loud, but there wasn't much red there at all. I did talk to a few Badger fans, but the ones I encountered were wearing gold. Kudos to them, but half red isn't close to truth.
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Does anyone actually believe, if it comes down to it, that the Badgers can beat Kentucky?
Yes, if they get hot from three.
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Yes, if they get hot from three.
And that's why I think Notre Dame has a puncher's chance as well.
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Does anyone actually believe, if it comes down to it, that the Badgers can beat Kentucky?
I think Kentucky beats Wisconsin about 80-90% of the time. So Wisconsin has a 10-20% chance of pulling the upset. Not likely, but not impossible. Of course I am just pulling those numbers out of thin air, but seems about right to me.
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Whatever would tear out a Badger fans heart the most is what I am cheering for. If not making FF would destroy their memory of the season I want that. If losing in NC at buzzer beater is worse I am all for that. Funny thing is I thought my hatred for the Badgers has lessened a great deal over the years and seeing them win is telling me I still hate them.
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They aren't athletic compared to a lot of teams. Just like Riley LaChance is not athletic compared to a lot of D1 basketball players. Doesn't mean I'm hating on them. Just what it is. They have better basketball skills than teams (UNC) and players (Tokoto, for example) who are just athletic.
Oh come on.
UNC is more than "just athletic." Marcus Paige is a hell of a basketball player. Tokoto isn't merely an athlete either - he just doesn't shoot from outside all that well. He can defend, put the ball on the floor, and handle very well too.
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I'll be the fifth or sixth person to chime in here and say you are absolutely wrong about this. My time in the dome is etched in concrete in my mind and it's utter bull$hit what you're trying to spew about Wisconsin fans cheering hard for Marquette to beat either/or/both of Pitt and Kentucky. Zero truth to it.
That makes me the 7th person to agree. There was near zero fans in red cheering for Marquette that day.
UW and ND in the E8, MU sitting at home. Worst season ever. Also, those cheering for the Badgers will be banned. Even if it helps your bracket.
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Yes, if they get hot from three.
On the right night, Kentucky can be beat. Both Ole Miss and LSU were damn close. But when Kentucky is motivated and playing their best, no one can beat them. I also think playing them in the Final Four game is a huge disadvantage for either Arizona or Wisconsin. That's a full week that UK will be zeroed in on beating you. I think if they come out flat, it's more likely to be in the second game with less prep time.
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This is pretty much how I feel about the Kohl's crowd of Badger defenders:
(http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag140/ReadSleepRepeat/Gifs/YourwrongIhateyou_zps18bc65d4.gif)
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Whatever would tear out a Badger fans heart the most is what I am cheering for. If not making FF would destroy their memory of the season I want that. If losing in NC at buzzer beater is worse I am all for that. Funny thing is I thought my hatred for the Badgers has lessened a great deal over the years and seeing them win is telling me I still hate them.
Yes, this. So much this.
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Way back when, during the 2003 regional in Minneapolis, the fans of both teams actually had some 'state' pride and charity, now it's all about tearing each other down. Congrats on this new mentality! ::)
This is not a new mentality.
Teams within state cheering against each other - to find this you need to only check every single state.
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Whatever would tear out a Badger fans heart the most is what I am cheering for. If not making FF would destroy their memory of the season I want that. If losing in NC at buzzer beater is worse I am all for that. Funny thing is I thought my hatred for the Badgers has lessened a great deal over the years and seeing them win is telling me I still hate them.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
This is exactly how I feel.
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If you just based it on what I saw last night, Wisconsin looked a lot better than Arizona. Of course they'll have to prove it on the floor tomorrow, but I think it is back-to-back Final Fours for them.
I don't think anybody beats Kentucky, but Wisconsin and Duke are the only teams I see with a chance.
My section last night was mostly Badger fans for the first game, then they cleared out...not many stayed for the second game. Zona fans moved in. Zona looked awful I thought. I went with a buddy of mine that is a UCLA season ticket holder and he's been saying all year how overrated Zona is. I came away last night thinking he nailed it, but in a tournament you never know if you bring your A game or not.
Most of the Zona fans around me thought Zona wasn't tough enough to beat Wisconsin....I believe they are right.
Kentucky can be beat, they almost lost 3 or 4 times this year. Question is whether they were sleep walking at that time or truly challenged. Notre Dame might give them a challenge if they are hitting their 3's. Wisconsin can do it, Duke and maybe a few others on the right night.
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My section last night was mostly Badger fans for the first game, then they cleared out...not many stayed for the second game. Zona fans moved in. Zona looked awful I thought. I went with a buddy of mine that is a UCLA season ticket holder and he's been saying all year how overrated Zona is. I came away last night thinking he nailed it, but in a tournament you never know if you bring your A game or not.
Yeah I think that is right. That is the third or so time I have seen them this year, and if they can't set the pace against UW, they are going to be in trouble.
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This is not a new mentality.
Teams within state cheering against each other - to find this you need to only check every single state.
Exactly, this is nothing new. Can someone post the picture of Al and his good friend Mr. Hughes in this thread?
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Whatever would tear out a Badger fans heart the most is what I am cheering for. If not making FF would destroy their memory of the season I want that. If losing in NC at buzzer beater is worse I am all for that. Funny thing is I thought my hatred for the Badgers has lessened a great deal over the years and seeing them win is telling me I still hate them.
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It isn't a true rivalry if MU fans don't feel that way.
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I say no way the Badgers beat Kentucky. And I do think they'll probably beat Arizona.
They have looked good, but nowhere near great, in postseason. Michigan St. had the B10 championship game and coughed it up. Oregon had them tied with under 10 to play. They pulled away late in last night's game. They didn't even dominate Coastal Carolina.
Their play right now isn't even close to being good enough to beat UK.
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That's not how I remember it at all.
A lot of the same UW fans changed shirts into MU shirts during the UK game even the ones in the red were cheering very loud.
To be super honest. Unless you went to Marquette or are a die hard bucky fan, Most people in the state cheer for both. Not saying that I am one of them, but at the school I work at almost every employee cheers for both.
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To be super honest. Unless you went to Marquette or are a die hard bucky fan, Most people in the state cheer for both. Not saying that I am one of them, but at the school I work at almost every employee cheers for both.
Glad we have the Iowa State perspective on this.
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My wife roots for the Badgers when they are not playing MU. I try to be a bigger person. I just can't.
As long as a team other than UW Madison wins, I'm good.
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A lot of the same UW fans changed shirts into MU shirts during the UK game even the ones in the red were cheering very loud.
To be super honest. Unless you went to Marquette or are a die hard bucky fan, Most people in the state cheer for both. Not saying that I am one of them, but at the school I work at almost every employee cheers for both.
As someone who grew up in the Appleton area, this is not the case at all. Most people there couldn't give a rat's ars about MU, including the local press. The UW-Oshkosh and Stevens Point grads treat the fact that their school has a hyphen after the word Wisconsin as though they are the same.
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My section last night was mostly Badger fans for the first game, then they cleared out...not many stayed for the second game. Zona fans moved in. Zona looked awful I thought. I went with a buddy of mine that is a UCLA season ticket holder and he's been saying all year how overrated Zona is. I came away last night thinking he nailed it, but in a tournament you never know if you bring your A game or not.
Most of the Zona fans around me thought Zona wasn't tough enough to beat Wisconsin....I believe they are right.
Kentucky can be beat, they almost lost 3 or 4 times this year. Question is whether they were sleep walking at that time or truly challenged. Notre Dame might give them a challenge if they are hitting their 3's. Wisconsin can do it, Duke and maybe a few others on the right night.
Very impressed with the Wisconsin turnout. They had a tremendous amount of fans in the building and I thought quite a few stayed to watch Zona.
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A lot of the same UW fans changed shirts into MU shirts during the UK game even the ones in the red were cheering very loud.
To be super honest. Unless you went to Marquette or are a die hard bucky fan, Most people in the state cheer for both. Not saying that I am one of them, but at the school I work at almost every employee cheers for both.
Real world says otherwise, I don't think it's even half cheer for both.
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A lot of the same UW fans changed shirts into MU shirts during the UK game even the ones in the red were cheering very loud.
To be super honest. Unless you went to Marquette or are a die hard bucky fan, Most people in the state cheer for both. Not saying that I am one of them, but at the school I work at almost every employee cheers for both.
I would say that most "non aligned" fans cheer for UW, but when UW isn't playing, either are happy for Marquette or simply don't care.
For instance, my wife who didn't go to either school, sees nothing wrong about cheering for both. (But she *must* cheer for Marquette when they are playing UW - house rule.)
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In regards to UW being an excellent team, IMO they are a very good team in a very watered down sport. UK likely will run the board and I do not considered them an excellent team. If grading on a curve UK is excellent, largely due to 99.9% of the teams are not very good. UK would not be a top ten all time IMO and maybe not top 20 if I took my time to do some homework.
College ball has slipped a great deal over the past decade and at times difficult to watch. I will give the Badgers credit for being easier on the eye the past couple of seasons. It is a shame on how hitting free throws, making open shots or making good decisions with the ball seem to be lost.
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In regards to UW being an excellent team, IMO they are a very good team in a very watered down sport. UK likely will run the board and I do not considered them an excellent team. If grading on a curve UK is excellent, largely due to 99.9% of the teams are not very good. UK would not be a top ten all time IMO and maybe not top 20 if I took my time to do some homework.
College ball has slipped a great deal over the past decade and at times difficult to watch. I will give the Badgers credit for being easier on the eye the past couple of seasons. It is a shame on how hitting free throws, making open shots or making good decisions with the ball seem to be lost.
I think if you compare teams by era, Kentucky is absolutely an excellent team. Relative to the teams they are playing against, they are certainly one of the most dominant teams I have seen. Would they compare to the great Big East teams of the 1980s, or the UNLV or Duke teams of the early 1990s, or teams going back into the 1970s or earlier? Maybe not if you put them on the same court in their prime, but in terms of how they compare to their current competition, this Kentucky team is as good as any I've seen in my lifetime.
I also would stress that Calipari has done an amazing job of getting a ton of future NBA guys to buy into the system. No one plays 26+ mpg, no one scores more than 11.1 ppg, and yet they are all fine with their roles and are happy to contribute to the team. They may not be filled with top-5 picks, but to do that with a team that will likely see at least 10 guys get a cup of coffee in the NBA (most will probably have decent careers) is incredible.
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Real world says otherwise, I don't think it's even half cheer for both.
Agree.
My 4th grader's school had Badger day yesterday which required everyone to wear Badger colors. To my son's credit he told the teacher that he wasn't a Badger fan and we didn't have Badger gear. The teacher told him "too bad wear it anyway". I made sure he went to school with a MU jersey and a MU shirt underneath so that if they asked him to take off the jersey he would still have MU gear underneath. I told my son the school could call me if they had any problems with it.
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Hairy
Love it!!!
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Goose, I think Kentucky is one of the elite teams of our time. They would easily beat the undefeated team from Indiana in 76. Kent Benson was 6'10" and slow, Cauley Stien is a 7 footer who can guard anybody, add Towns and Lyle, front line might be the best in history. Throw in 4 guards that all are pretty good, and then 2 other 7 footers off the bench. Who could beat them?
Buckner was not a great shooter and Scot May was 6'7", Kentucky 10 points better. How is Notre Dame stop them inside, no chance. Wisconsin is the only team with a chance, slow the game down and shot the 3, and make them all. I think Frank will have some trouble against them.
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Agree.
My 4th grader's school had Badger day yesterday which required everyone to wear Badger colors. To my son's credit he told the teacher that he wasn't a Badger fan and we didn't have Badger gear. The teacher told him "too bad wear it anyway". I made sure he went to school with a MU jersey and a MU shirt underneath so that if they asked him to take off the jersey he would still have MU gear underneath. I told my son the school could call me if they had any problems with it.
These are the true signs of a good father 8-)
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In regards to UW being an excellent team, IMO they are a very good team in a very watered down sport. UK likely will run the board and I do not considered them an excellent team. If grading on a curve UK is excellent, largely due to 99.9% of the teams are not very good. UK would not be a top ten all time IMO and maybe not top 20 if I took my time to do some homework.
I think Kentucky is one of the top 5 teams I have seen play college basketball since 1980 and could hold their own against the very best teams since that time.
'92 Duke, '96 Kentucky, '82 UNC, '85 Georgetown are probably the only ones I would rank higher.
These are difficult discussions though because although those four teams were fantastic and filled with NBA players and experience, this Kentucky team is both very big and very fast, and is one of the best defensive teams I have ever seen.
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Agree.
My 4th grader's school had Badger day yesterday which required everyone to wear Badger colors. To my son's credit he told the teacher that he wasn't a Badger fan and we didn't have Badger gear. The teacher told him "too bad wear it anyway". I made sure he went to school with a MU jersey and a MU shirt underneath so that if they asked him to take off the jersey he would still have MU gear underneath. I told my son the school could call me if they had any problems with it.
Love this.
Now that is parenting.
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I think Kentucky is one of the top 5 teams I have seen play college basketball since 1980 and could hold their own against the very best teams since that time.
'92 Duke, '96 Kentucky, '82 UNC, '85 Georgetown are probably the only ones I would rank higher.
These are difficult discussions though because although those four teams were fantastic and filled with NBA players and experience, this Kentucky team is both very big and very fast, and is one of the best defensive teams I have ever seen.
UNLV 1990-91 maybe the best of all of them.
Goose is correct when talking in terms of a college team. You maybe correct when talking in terms of individuals and professionals.
The blue blood programs now are filled with freshmen and sophomores. The Kentucky team today may be overall better as individuals and as pros, but many of the older teams were better as college teams.
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Agree.
My 4th grader's school had Badger day yesterday which required everyone to wear Badger colors. To my son's credit he told the teacher that he wasn't a Badger fan and we didn't have Badger gear. The teacher told him "too bad wear it anyway". I made sure he went to school with a MU jersey and a MU shirt underneath so that if they asked him to take off the jersey he would still have MU gear underneath. I told my son the school could call me if they had any problems with it.
Hairy Worthen for Scooper of the Year!
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UNLV to me was the best, most exciting team I ever saw play college ball. Overall, UK is a very, very good team but far from sold on their place in history. If they run the board, which I bet several people they would, folks can debate their place in history. I take Vegas any day of the week vs. this UK team.
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UNLV to me was the best, most exciting team I ever saw play college ball. Overall, UK is a very, very good team but far from sold on their place in history. If they run the board, which I bet several people they would, folks can debate their place in history. I take Vegas any day of the week vs. this UK team.
If you can go 40-0 it would be very difficult not to place them at or very near the top. How can you not be sold? Absolutely incredible to not lose a game, I don't care how tough their schedule may or may not be.
They demolished WVU yesterday, trashed them. Take away the Kentucky bias and their record is remarkable.
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UNLV 1990-91 maybe the best of all of them.
Goose is correct when talking in terms of a college team. You maybe correct when talking in terms of individuals and professionals.
The blue blood programs now are filled with freshmen and sophomores. The Kentucky team today may be overall better as individuals and as pros, but many of the older teams were better as college teams.
The 1990-91 UNLV team played a joke of a schedule (largely due to their conference) and IMO isn't the best team of all time. They weren't even the best team in 1990-91.
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The 1990-91 UNLV team played a joke of a schedule (largely due to their conference) and IMO isn't the best team of all time. They weren't even the best team in 1990-91.
Wait, they won the championship that year right? Scored 100 points in that game. Surely they played some good teams to accomplish that. Are you saying the championship is a crap shoot?
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Goose, I think Kentucky is one of the elite teams of our time. They would easily beat the undefeated team from Indiana in 76. Kent Benson was 6'10" and slow, Cauley Stien is a 7 footer who can guard anybody, add Towns and Lyle, front line might be the best in history. Throw in 4 guards that all are pretty good, and then 2 other 7 footers off the bench. Who could beat them?
Buckner was not a great shooter and Scot May was 6'7", Kentucky 10 points better. How is Notre Dame stop them inside, no chance. Wisconsin is the only team with a chance, slow the game down and shot the 3, and make them all. I think Frank will have some trouble against them.
76 Indiana was easily better than this Kentucky team. They were almost Spur-esque in their playing. If this Kentucky team stayed together, they would have a chance, but not as freshmen against IU's seniors.
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Wait, they won the championship that year right? Scored 100 points in that game. Surely they played some good teams to accomplish that. Are you saying the championship is a crap shoot?
No they won the championship in 1989-90.
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No they won the championship in 1989-90.
Yes correct, my bad. Still many of the same players in 1990-91 That team had a 2 year run that was one of the best of all time.
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Yes, this. So much this.
The conclusion to the Packers' season was like this for me.
I don't want the Badgers in back to back FF's. 10 years from now they're not going to be talking about the heart break of losing the NC at the buzzer. They're going to be talking about how they went to back to back FF's and Marquette has been to 1 in 50 years.
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Vegas ways in on the debate:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/03/26/oddsmakers-kentucky-would-be-underdog-against-greatest-ncaa-teams-of-the-past/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/03/26/oddsmakers-kentucky-would-be-underdog-against-greatest-ncaa-teams-of-the-past/)
Have to say I agree with the analysis at the end. The one and done era just can't compare to the days when senior superstars still laced them up in college. College basketball used to be a lot closer to AAA status, now I'd say it's more A-level.
Majors=NBA
AAA= Best European Leagues
AA= Secondary European Leagues, China, D-League
High-A= Elite College Teams (This year Kentucky, Duke, Wisconsin, Arizona, etc.)
A= Most of College Basketball
Low-A= The Worst of College Basketball
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As someone who grew up in the Appleton area, this is not the case at all. Most people there couldn't give a rat's ars about MU, including the local press. The UW-Oshkosh and Stevens Point grads treat the fact that their school has a hyphen after the word Wisconsin as though they are the same.
Preach it brother. Grew up in the Fox Cities. They serve the kool-aid with morning snacks instead of chocolate milk.
The perception from a lot of people, including people with money, is that MU is a rich kid's school. I don't know how to square that with my student loans, but, you know.
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See I think the overall evolution of the sport means that Kentucky would beat a lot of good teams - including the '76 Hoosiers and many of the UCLA teams. Go watch recordings of those teams - it's like watching grainy footage of 1950s NFL. The sport is completely different now.
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See I think the overall evolution of the sport means that Kentucky would beat a lot of good teams - including the '76 Hoosiers and many of the UCLA teams. Go watch recordings of those teams - it's like watching grainy footage of 1950s NFL. The sport is completely different now.
No question, as much as I like to think those teams in the past were better, they are not. The kids today are bigger, stronger and faster. The Lew Alcindor teams were better only becuase they had the best college player by far, but IU. No way, Buckner slow, May slow, Benson slow, Abernathy slow, the team is not as good. They had nobody on that team that could shot a three. The game has changed for the best or worst, I do not know. Yes, experience past they had, but these kids play so much hoop by the time they get to school they are ready. Better hope that or MU will be even worse then last year with all those freshman and no senior leadership.
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See I think the overall evolution of the sport means that Kentucky would beat a lot of good teams - including the '76 Hoosiers and many of the UCLA teams. Go watch recordings of those teams - it's like watching grainy footage of 1950s NFL. The sport is completely different now.
Using this logic, Babe Ruth sucked.
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That's not how I remember it at all.
Of course, because you probably have selective memory and clearly don't want to remember it as well. Hard to believe given the attitude of this board that MU fans were willing to cheer for the Badgers in 2003, though I know it happened.
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Agree.
My 4th grader's school had Badger day yesterday which required everyone to wear Badger colors. To my son's credit he told the teacher that he wasn't a Badger fan and we didn't have Badger gear. The teacher told him "too bad wear it anyway". I made sure he went to school with a MU jersey and a MU shirt underneath so that if they asked him to take off the jersey he would still have MU gear underneath. I told my son the school could call me if they had any problems with it.
used to be a principal...would have fun with the kids and tell them to take off badger gear or put marquette gear over their badger clothes...if they ever wanted to graduate. kids loved it, and we had a pretty good rivalry between MU and UW fans going. most UW fans that age were fans because of parents or because it was the state team. almost all MU fans were fans because of wade. amazing what he did for the university in a few short years.
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This is not a new mentality.
Teams within state cheering against each other - to find this you need to only check every single state.
I understand this when playing each other; ie. OU vs OSU, Xavier vs Cinci, etc. I don't understand or want to believe that in state rivalries would be so intense they would wish the worst for the other program, though I know that does happen with some of the most intense like UL vs UK.
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In regards to UW being an excellent team, IMO they are a very good team in a very watered down sport. UK likely will run the board and I do not considered them an excellent team. If grading on a curve UK is excellent, largely due to 99.9% of the teams are not very good. UK would not be a top ten all time IMO and maybe not top 20 if I took my time to do some homework.
College ball has slipped a great deal over the past decade and at times difficult to watch. I will give the Badgers credit for being easier on the eye the past couple of seasons. It is a shame on how hitting free throws, making open shots or making good decisions with the ball seem to be lost.
Well the Badgers are definitely better this year than our team that made the Elite Eight in 2013, so I think that watered down talk in bball is an excuse to make one feel better that UW is not that good. They're not dominant, but they are very tough to beat.
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used to be a principal...would have fun with the kids and tell them to take off badger gear or put marquette gear over their badger clothes...if they ever wanted to graduate. kids loved it, and we had a pretty good rivalry between MU and UW fans going. most UW fans that age were fans because of parents or because it was the state team. almost all MU fans were fans because of wade. amazing what he did for the university in a few short years.
It should be a fun thing.
Our school doesn't force them to wear badger clothes, but one particular teacher was pretty hard line about it.
I may out myself or the school, but they do the same thing with the local high school even though the grade school is a feeder school for a catholic high school. The catholic high school never gets a spirit day. I always send my child in the catholic high school clothes when they have the public high school spirit day.
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The Badgers are outstanding and interesting to watch.
I won't root for them now or ever.
There. That wasn't tough at all.
And kudos to hairy! Handled it like a true Warrior!!!
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Statnik
The 2103 E8 MU team is not on the radar screen on all time great MU teams. This Badger team beats '13 7 out of times, if not more. Trust me, IMO I am fair judge of the overall landscape. Watered down or college basketball just sucks in general does not make me feel better about anything. I would be very happy if Buzz put together a program like UW. That said, I stick with the Badgers are a very good team in a watered down sport.
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Using this logic, Babe Ruth sucked.
Different sport. But I think that Ruth would have trouble matching his number is this era no doubt.
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No they won the championship in 1989-90.
The 90-91 team was better, even though they lost (by two) to a very good Duke team in the finals. They had pretty much everyone back from the previous year's team and had three lottery picks on the roster.
Their conference schedule was weak - no fault of theirs - but they beat some teams in non-conference play, including a #2 Arkansas team that featured Todd Day, Oliver Miller and Lee Mayberry.
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I understand this when playing each other; ie. OU vs OSU, Xavier vs Cinci, etc. I don't understand or want to believe that in state rivalries would be so intense they would wish the worst for the other program, though I know that does happen with some of the most intense like UL vs UK.
How very pollyanna of you.
I'll continue to hate the Badgers (despite growing up in the state) the rest of my life, regardless of whom they play.
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It should be a fun thing.
Our school doesn't force them to wear badger clothes, but one particular teacher was pretty hard line about it.
I may out myself or the school, but they do the same thing with the local high school even though the grade school is a feeder school for a catholic high school. The catholic high school never gets a spirit day. I always send my child in the catholic high school clothes when they have the public high school spirit day.
i digress, but it's actually a very hot topic right now as public charter schools give kids the day off to protest/advocate/march for charter school rights, as where it's illegal to do so in a traditional public school. the lines between private and public are becoming blurred, and i don't think either side of the political isle will like the results when all said and done.
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Of course, because you probably have selective memory and clearly don't want to remember it as well. Hard to believe given the attitude of this board that MU fans were willing to cheer for the Badgers in 2003, though I know it happened.
You must then believe the seven or eight of us who also don't remember it being that way are working off selective memories.
Which begs the question, if we all have a selective memory what makes you positive that you don't have a selective memory?
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No question, as much as I like to think those teams in the past were better, they are not. The kids today are bigger, stronger and faster. The Lew Alcindor teams were better only becuase they had the best college player by far, but IU. No way, Buckner slow, May slow, Benson slow, Abernathy slow, the team is not as good. They had nobody on that team that could shot a three. The game has changed for the best or worst, I do not know. Yes, experience past they had, but these kids play so much hoop by the time they get to school they are ready. Better hope that or MU will be even worse then last year with all those freshman and no senior leadership.
There was no 3 point line in 1976, so why should any of the Indiana players have that skill? You say players are faster and more athletic. I could just as easily say fundamentals were much better then versus now but that would just be a useless cliche. Since I was born in 1980 I can't compare across eras as easily. But what if teams from the 1960's and 70's had today's training methods? Would they have been stronger, faster, and better conditioned? How much of increased athleticism is simply do to evolution? Would players have worked on having 3 point shooting had the line existed? Would modern teams be able to defend as well in the old days when there was a tighter whistle?
These questions are impossible to answer. My eyes tell me the quality of play has slipped over the last 20 years. Is it an illusion because defense is so much better? Not entirely as the whistle has gotten much looser. The clutch, grab, hack defense that thrives today didn't always exist, though I'm not sure when it exactly started. Probably didn't happen overnight, rather a slow evolution of increased physical play, loose whistles to "let players decide the game", and increased speed and strength has lead us to the current state of the game.
It's a fun debate and until a time machine is invented so these teams can actually play we'll never have an answer. But I still contend college basketball ain't what it used to be. If Kentucky runs the table, they'll join the small list of undefeated teams and go down in history. But don't confuse dominating your era for dominating across all eras. The former can be proven by results while the latter is all conjecture.
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The '76 IU team had 7 players drafted including 4 1st rounders.
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The '76 IU team had 7 players drafted including 4 1st rounders.
Which matches Kentucky in the latest mock draft here:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft
As well as many others.
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Agree.
My 4th grader's school had Badger day yesterday which required everyone to wear Badger colors. To my son's credit he told the teacher that he wasn't a Badger fan and we didn't have Badger gear. The teacher told him "too bad wear it anyway". I made sure he went to school with a MU jersey and a MU shirt underneath so that if they asked him to take off the jersey he would still have MU gear underneath. I told my son the school could call me if they had any problems with it.
Now that is a perfect MU fan response! Kudos.
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This year's Badger team is simply special. That doesn't happen very often around here. Any one of their players on the court is a threat to score the basketball. Don't see why most of y'all can't admit that. Would love for our team to walk a mile in their shoes, and soon.
Just to piss off anyone who isn't already, Notre Dame is damn good too, and in a better conference as well. I think they'll give Kentucky a scare.
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This year's Badger team is simply special. That doesn't happen very often around here. Any one of their players on the court is a threat to score the basketball. Don't see why most of y'all can't admit that. Would love for our team to walk a mile in their shoes, and soon.
I don't think anyone denies how good they are. We're all just sick of hearing about it.
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Best Badger team in my lifetime and readily admit it. My only point is college ball is not what it used to be and the Badgers are not a great team in the big picture. For what college ball has become the Badgers deserve props. I would take 10 years of this years Badgers at MU in a hearbeat.
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See I think the overall evolution of the sport means that Kentucky would beat a lot of good teams - including the '76 Hoosiers and many of the UCLA teams. Go watch recordings of those teams - it's like watching grainy footage of 1950s NFL. The sport is completely different now.
Using that logic, the "best team ever" would always be the best team of the past couple of years.
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Maybe for the Pitt game. But when MU played Kentucky two nights later, half the dome was in red and that place was loud. Ear splitting loud.
I think had MU played game 1 and lost your be a bit heartbroken and not be crazy into whoever played in game 2 either.
I'm trying to find better pictures of it but not really having much success, but every picture I can find from that game shows literally no red at all. It's a lot of Kentucky blue and Marquette gold. I can't find a single picture from the game with any red in it.
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Of course, because you probably have selective memory and clearly don't want to remember it as well. Hard to believe given the attitude of this board that MU fans were willing to cheer for the Badgers in 2003, though I know it happened.
Right. We all have selective memory, but you don't. ::)
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I'm constantly surprised at how people seemingly don't understand sports fandom. You root against your rivals. Bears fans don't want the Packers winning and vice versa. Yankees and Red Sox, etc down to d3 lacrosse and the CFL. That's just how it works. Don't fight it.
I agree. I have more respect for an MU fan who hates the Badgers, rather than someone who cheers for both teams. It wouldn't be a rivalry, and it wouldn't be any fun. There's bragging rights at stake, and sometimes recruiting battles.
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Using that logic, the "best team ever" would always be the best team of the past couple of years.
You do realize that I included teams from the 80s and 90s among the top five ever right?
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I agree. I have more respect for an MU fan who hates the Badgers, rather than someone who cheers for both teams. It wouldn't be a rivalry, and it wouldn't be any fun. There's bragging rights at stake, and sometimes recruiting battles.
I have never and will never cheer for the Badgers. They could play the aliens from Space Jam with the fate of the earth hanging in the balance and I'd still boo Bucky. Didn't cheer them in '03 or ever.
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The conclusion to the Packers' season was like this for me.
I don't want the Badgers in back to back FF's. 10 years from now they're not going to be talking about the heart break of losing the NC at the buzzer. They're going to be talking about how they went to back to back FF's and Marquette has been to 1 in 50 years.
Yeah, but if they lose you can remind them we has color footage of OUR national championship.
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Doc
I agree on ND as well. I actually feel ND would play Badgers very, very well and hold their own in best of seven series. Not sure about them hanging with UK for 40 minutes though.
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You do realize that I included teams from the 80s and 90s among the top five ever right?
Having watched hoops since the early 70s, I can say definitively that there is NO WAY a great team from the 80s or 90s could even stay on the floor with good teams of today, if you take into account the "overall evolution of the game. Which is why I don't think evolution (athletic abilities, styles of play, etc) should be taken into account.
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Having watched hoops since the early 70s, I can say definitively that there is NO WAY a great team from the 80s or 90s could even stay on the floor with good teams of today, if you take into account the "overall evolution of the game. Which is why I don't think evolution (athletic abilities, styles of play, etc) should be taken into account.
For starters, I guess Michael Jordan and Sam Perkins and James Worthy might disagree with you..... ;)
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Having watched hoops since the early 70s, I can say definitively that there is NO WAY a great team from the 80s or 90s could even stay on the floor with good teams of today, if you take into account the "overall evolution of the game. Which is why I don't think evolution (athletic abilities, styles of play, etc) should be taken into account.
Agreed. The best comparisons are to compare teams based on how the do against other teams of their own era. Yes, Kentucky had some close calls (back to back OT games most notably) but since the SEC tourney started, their closest margin was 13 points. When they are motivated, they just defeat teams by sheer force of will.
I thought they could do 40-0 preseason, and definitely after the Kansas obliteration. No reason to think they can't go 3-0 from here on out.
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I've enjoyed that within this thread there are two very different conversations taking place.
I don't think Xavier fans cheer for Cincinnati and vice versa - EVER.
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The '76 IU team had 7 players drafted including 4 1st rounders.
Which matches Kentucky in the latest mock draft here:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft
As well as many others.
But to be fair the 1st round then was only 18 picks vs. 30 now
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Growing up as a nomad, my mom's family were all Wisconsin people and Madison fans. My aunt went there, etc. I didn't really know MU because it was the 80s and 90s. I was inundated with Badger gear from the family but never latched on to them, especially in basketball, because they sucked. I became a super fan of MU basketball once I went there and have despised Bucky. I have zero reason to hate Bucky other than being a Marquette fan and I would never in a million years cheer for them.
My wife is a Badger and bugs me all the time to just cheer for them when it doesn't matter, and it'll be a cold day in hell when that happens. I have MU alum friends that were at a bar in Bucky gear last night cheering for them....I think their diploma's should be revoked (I'm mostly serious).
I don't care if you grew up here, or your parents went there they are top 3 hated rival for OUR team, you don't cheer for them. If you cheer for Bucky in any capacity as a Marquette fan you are a lukewarm Marquette fan at best.
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There was no 3 point line in 1976, so why should any of the Indiana players have that skill? You say players are faster and more athletic. I could just as easily say fundamentals were much better then versus now but that would just be a useless cliche. Since I was born in 1980 I can't compare across eras as easily. But what if teams from the 1960's and 70's had today's training methods? Would they have been stronger, faster, and better conditioned? How much of increased athleticism is simply do to evolution? Would players have worked on having 3 point shooting had the line existed? Would modern teams be able to defend as well in the old days when there was a tighter whistle?
These questions are impossible to answer. My eyes tell me the quality of play has slipped over the last 20 years. Is it an illusion because defense is so much better? Not entirely as the whistle has gotten much looser. The clutch, grab, hack defense that thrives today didn't always exist, though I'm not sure when it exactly started. Probably didn't happen overnight, rather a slow evolution of increased physical play, loose whistles to "let players decide the game", and increased speed and strength has lead us to the current state of the game.
It's a fun debate and until a time machine is invented so these teams can actually play we'll never have an answer. But I still contend college basketball ain't what it used to be. If Kentucky runs the table, they'll join the small list of undefeated teams and go down in history. But don't confuse dominating your era for dominating across all eras. The former can be proven by results while the latter is all conjecture.
Some folks crack me up. They say things with such certainty. So-and-so obviously would beat so-and-so in a 7-game series. Like because they say it, it is fact.
I highlighted two things in your post and I agree wholeheartedly. There is no "right answer" as to whether this Kentucky team is better than the Larry Johnson UNLV team or the Benson/Buckner IU team or any of several UCLA teams.
We can have fun debating it, but please stop pretending to know what would happen in a game between teams that can never meet.
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Agree.
My 4th grader's school had Badger day yesterday which required everyone to wear Badger colors. To my son's credit he told the teacher that he wasn't a Badger fan and we didn't have Badger gear. The teacher told him "too bad wear it anyway". I made sure he went to school with a MU jersey and a MU shirt underneath so that if they asked him to take off the jersey he would still have MU gear underneath. I told my son the school could call me if they had any problems with it.
This is so cool, great MU stuff, way to go!!!
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MU82
I posted twice in this thread regarding teams playing a seven game series and did not state an opinion on who would win. If referencing my posts please note I stated certain teams could hold their own in a seven game series. Obviously two teams playing from different eras will not ever happen and that is what the conversation is about.
Only thing I will stand behind as a fact (from my perspective) is this years Badger team is vastly better than the '13 MU E8 team. Other debates on the best ever are purely one's opinion and not factual.
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You know what would suck? A Notre Dame vs. Wisconsin final 4.
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You know what would suck? A Notre Dame vs. Wisconsin final 4.
You know it's a dark day when MU fans have to root for Kentucky. But that'll do it.
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It'll be Kentucky/Arizona.
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On the right night, Kentucky can be beat. Both Ole Miss and LSU were damn close. But when Kentucky is motivated and playing their best, no one can beat them. I also think playing them in the Final Four game is a huge disadvantage for either Arizona or Wisconsin. That's a full week that UK will be zeroed in on beating you. I think if they come out flat, it's more likely to be in the second game with less prep time.
AHEM....
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This year's Badger team is simply special. That doesn't happen very often around here. Any one of their players on the court is a threat to score the basketball. Don't see why most of y'all can't admit that. Would love for our team to walk a mile in their shoes, and soon.
Just to piss off anyone who isn't already, Notre Dame is damn good too, and in a better conference as well. I think they'll give Kentucky a scare.
Doc
I don't think anyone is denying that.
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You know it's a dark day when MU fans have to root for Kentucky. But that'll do it.
I'm not rooting for Kentucky, I'm rooting for greatness in my time. In 30 years when someone is trying to be the first unbeaten since 2015, I'll be happy to recall this UK team.
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I found it interesting that Vegas has Bucky as a 1.5-point dog against Arizona.
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I found it interesting that Vegas has Bucky as a 1.5-point dog against Arizona.
Based on what I witnessed first hand at Staples last night, I would bet an awful lot on the Badgers. I thought Arizona looked awful.
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Based on what I witnessed first hand at Staples last night, I would bet an awful lot on the Badgers. I thought Arizona looked awful.
Agreed, Cats can't shoot either.
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No there aren't.
So you prefer Kentucky, Notre Dame and Louisville? See in the old days the Badgers were not much while the others mentioned were serious competitors. Wisconsin simply was not relavent.
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BREAKING;--- DIAMOND STONE TO MARYLAND