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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: dgies9156 on March 15, 2015, 09:05:37 PM
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This is a very interesting field. Sounds like there is plenty of talent for DePaul to choose from.
It's a job that with the right leader could become a high profile position,
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-depaul-coaching-candidates-spt-0316-20150315-story.html#navtype=outfit
Also, the most coverage in the Tribune DePaul has had in ages.
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This is a very interesting field. Sounds like there is plenty of talent for DePaul to choose from.
It's a job that with the right leader could become a high profile position,
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-depaul-coaching-candidates-spt-0316-20150315-story.html#navtype=outfit
Also, the most coverage in the Tribune DePaul has had in ages.
I suppose it's interesting in how bad it is! Is this really the best the Trib thinks they can do? -
Mark Aguirre- zero coaching experience! And I'd have to double check the article, but pretty sure that includes assistant level even!!!
Ty Corbin- coaching experience - interim Sac Kings coach of which he was fired and is now in the all important "advisory role" for the franchise. But hey, both these guys did play at DePaul when they were still relevant 30 plus years ago.
Howland? He's obviously a guy no one wants to touch anymore after how it went down at UCLA, fair or not. ( and please nobody show me the SI link, I knew the story long before I brought his name up in another thread yesterday).
A Georgetown assistant? Because Georgetown has reached elite heights under JTIII, yes they're solid year in and year out, then get to postseason and collapse.
Steve Maisello - OK, he probably can coach and is ready to move up to a major D-1 program, but the reason he's not there now is he lied about graduating from Kentucky. Character red flag maybe?
Bryce Drew- Valpo- he's the only legitimate name on the list that they should even be looking at.
Man, if this is the best they can come up with as a field of candidates, they truly are hopeless at that school. Pathetic.
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Look no further than who's in charge of DePaul athletics to see if there is any hope of the program getting a quality head coach.
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Look no further than who's in charge of DePaul athletics to see if there is any hope of the program getting a quality head coach.
I know nothing about her, but if this is their field, than yeah, she is clearly completely in over her head as their AD.
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Goes beyond their AD, it is the overall commitment by the university. The AD can only do so much. DePaul just hasn't been committed across the board. The new arena will help for sure. They have to hope that helps in landing a coach and turning the tide.
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I stand corrected on Tyrone Corbin, he failed as head coach of the Jazz before interim coach in Sacramento.
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Goes beyond their AD, it is the overall commitment by the university. The AD can only do so much. DePaul just hasn't been committed across the board. The new arena will help for sure. They have to hope that helps in landing a coach and turning the tide.
If it isn't the AD's job to get people to games, create an environment fun for fans, promote and advertise your product to the public, and generate interest for teams, then whose job is it?
Chico's, I don't disagree at all about it being a university issue as well - but part of the issue is the lack of accountability across the board with DePaul athletics. The fact that the current AD will now be able to choose the THIRD head coach during the tenure, for the most recognizable and important sport that the university offers, is an embarrassment. For reference sake, Bill Cords hired three coaches during his 20-year tenure (O'Neill, Deane and Crean). They have hired three coaches in 10 years.
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If it isn't the AD's job to get people to games, create an environment fun for fans, promote and advertise your product to the public, and generate interest for teams, then whose job is it?
One of the Associate Assistant Directors and their staff....of course they report to the AD so blame is still there
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If it isn't the AD's job to get people to games, create an environment fun for fans, promote and advertise your product to the public, and generate interest for teams, then whose job is it?
Chico's, I don't disagree at all about it being a university issue as well - but part of the issue is the lack of accountability across the board with DePaul athletics. The fact that the current AD will now be able to choose the THIRD head coach during the tenure, for the most recognizable and important sport that the university offers, is an embarrassment. For reference sake, Bill Cords hired three coaches during his 20-year tenure (O'Neill, Deane and Crean). They have hired three coaches in 10 years.
Hard to polish a turd is my point and is the $$ commitment there? Winning cures a lot of things and they haven't won in forever. Promotion and advertising costs money, lots of it...do they have the resources committed to do that?
By no means am I defending their AD. Believe me. Their previous one was a horse's ass. What I'm asking is if the administration (her bosses) are committed to a program at the financial level needed? Facilities, recruiting budget, salaries for HC and assistants? Marketing funds, support funds (academic counseling, etc)? DePaul is not considered a very strong academic school, it is not in the greatest part of town, they have lost forever, the $$ doesn't seem to be there...that's a tough turd to polish. It is her job to get the administration to fund those areas, or to get them through fund raising. Again, easier said than done. The new arena will certainly help.
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Hard to polish a turd is my point and is the $$ commitment there? Winning cures a lot of things and they haven't won in forever. Promotion and advertising costs money, lots of it...do they have the resources committed to do that?
By no means am I defending their AD. Believe me. Their previous one was a horse's ass. What I'm asking is if the administration (her bosses) are committed to a program at the financial level needed? Facilities, recruiting budget, salaries for HC and assistants? Marketing funds, support funds (academic counseling, etc)? DePaul is not considered a very strong academic school, it is not in the greatest part of town, they have lost forever, the $$ doesn't seem to be there...that's a tough turd to polish. It is her job to get the administration to fund those areas, or to get them through fund raising. Again, easier said than done. The new arena will certainly help.
They're in Lincoln Park. Doesn't get much nicer than that.
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They're in Lincoln Park. Doesn't get much nicer than that.
It's still Chicago aina?
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DePaul is not considered a very strong academic school, it is not in the greatest part of town, they have lost forever, the $$ doesn't seem to be there...that's a tough turd to polish.
This is hilarious. Its not Northwestern or U of Chicago, but Depaul's reputation in Chicago is strong. Its not like they are Chicago State. Its only a few spots behind Marquette in the USNews rankings, and it has 3 times the students. As for the neighborhood, its in Lincoln Park, probably the nicest place a campus of that size could be on the North side. Light years better than Marquette's campus, location wise. Not long ago they were getting guys like Quentin Richardson, Bobby Simmons, and other studs from CPS. Its not the 80s heyday, but relative success isn't that far out of reach.
As for $$, thats another failing of the AD. Depaul's alumni base in Chicago is extensive and wealthy. The money could be there if the belief and support was there. Show a long term plan, and the money would flow. Its far from hopeless.
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Its far from hopeless.
It is if the Trib is right about their candidates, cripes.
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This is hilarious. Its not Northwestern or U of Chicago, but Depaul's reputation in Chicago is strong. Its not like they are Chicago State. Its only a few spots behind Marquette in the USNews rankings, and it has 3 times the students. As for the neighborhood, its in Lincoln Park, probably the nicest place a campus of that size could be on the North side. Light years better than Marquette's campus, location wise. Not long ago they were getting guys like Quentin Richardson, Bobby Simmons, and other studs from CPS. Its not the 80s heyday, but relative success isn't that far out of reach.
As for $$, thats another failing of the AD. Depaul's alumni base in Chicago is extensive and wealthy. The money could be there if the belief and support was there. Show a long term plan, and the money would flow. Its far from hopeless.
I guess Chicos was trying to be funny, but it makes no sense. DePaul's location is much, much, much nicer than MU's. Oh well, guess I just don't get it.
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This is hilarious. Its not Northwestern or U of Chicago, but Depaul's reputation in Chicago is strong. Its not like they are Chicago State. Its only a few spots behind Marquette in the USNews rankings, and it has 3 times the students. As for the neighborhood, its in Lincoln Park, probably the nicest place a campus of that size could be on the North side. Light years better than Marquette's campus, location wise. Not long ago they were getting guys like Quentin Richardson, Bobby Simmons, and other studs from CPS. Its not the 80s heyday, but relative success isn't that far out of reach.
As for $$, thats another failing of the AD. Depaul's alumni base in Chicago is extensive and wealthy. The money could be there if the belief and support was there. Show a long term plan, and the money would flow. Its far from hopeless.
They are academically ranked 121st, MU is 76th....that's more than a few spots.
Did not call it hopeless, but it's a struggle. Winning does wonders. In the last 10 years, they have had ONE winning season. ONE. In the last 20 years, they have had 6 winning seasons. Their winning percentage the last 20 years is .409 with 2 NCAA appearances and one NCAA win.
For all the "advantages" of the CPS, you still have to deal with the bullcrap that is the CPS and all the dirtiness that goes along with it. That's a double edged sword.
Again, far from hopeless. The arena will help.
Yes, I was teasing on the Chicago thing.
In my view, many coaches would shy away from DePaul as a job killer. The AD, one would think, is also not on firm ground, but maybe she is. That would concern me that whoever is hiring me is around for the next 5 years.
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They're in Lincoln Park. Doesn't get much nicer than that.
The last I heard its was reported as being located next to McCormick Place. Thats not Lincoln Park, its South of the Loop!
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The last I heard its was reported as being located next to McCormick Place. Thats not Lincoln Park, its South of the Loop!
The new arena would be on the near south side.
DePaul itself is in the heart of Lincoln Park in one of the most expensive zip codes in the country.
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The new arena would be on the near south side.
DePaul itself is in the heart of Lincoln Park in one of the most expensive zip codes in the country.
They also have a large Downtown Loop site. The old Goldblatt Building on State street.
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They are academically ranked 121st, MU is 76th....that's more than a few spots.
In my view, many coaches would shy away from DePaul as a job killer. The AD, one would think, is also not on firm ground, but maybe she is. That would concern me that whoever is hiring me is around for the next 5 years.
I meant more as when you see that ~10 schools are tied for each spot, its not that far. And its not all that far really.
Anyways, I agree with you that its not a favorable situation given the AD and last few coaches, more point was more that the alumni support ($$$) would be there if there was a reason for it to be there. Unfortunately JLP and the athletic department refuse.
They also have a large Downtown Loop site. The old Goldblatt Building on State street.
And? So their core campus is in affluent Lincoln Park and their business school is blocks from the Chicago Theater and the Magnificent Mile in the center of the business district of Chicago. Not sure your point.
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And? So their core campus is in affluent Lincoln Park and their business school is blocks from the Chicago Theater and the Magnificent Mile in the center of the business district of Chicago. Not sure your point.
Attempting to clarify the new arena is not in Lincoln Park or in the Loop. Its targeted south of the loop near McCormick Place. That All.
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Starts with the Administration.
Marquette's climb out of the cellar started with the BOT hiring Fr. Wild. He brought along the VPs, etc. that needed convincing.
Then Cords was hired. Then Al Frisone (just kidding, but people like Al play their part). Then quality coaching candidates will follow.
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Chico's is 100% right. DePaul's admin does not care about athletics so they don't give the same resources / allowances that MU ath dept gets. With regards to their AD, it is not just that she's been dealt a bad had, it's that she's in over her head. Of course no one at DePaul cares.
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Attempting to clarify the new arena is not in Lincoln Park or in the Loop. Its targeted south of the loop near McCormick Place. That All.
Must have missed all that confusion here... ::)
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DePaul is not considered a very strong academic school, it is not in the greatest part of town, they have lost forever, the $$ doesn't seem to be there...that's a tough turd to polish. It is her job to get the administration to fund those areas, or to get them through fund raising. Again, easier said than done. The new arena will certainly help.
Chicos, when was the last time you were in Chicago? 1978?
C'mon, Lincoln Park is the hottest part of the city. It is extremely fashionable and young people especially seek out the chance to live there. Housing prices are on par with parts of LA and San Francisco (markets I suspect you know).
As far as academics, when do most high level college basketball players worry about academics? OK, a few do. But many are looking for an opportunity in the NBA. And DePaul being in the heart of Chicago should result in some strong exposure for kids who do not have intentions of playing in the Association.
Finally, my view of DePaul Athletics is this: You live within your means. And as AD, Jean Lenti-Ponsetto has to fight for dollars and she has to command enough respect from Adminsitration to give her the money she requests. Either she doesn't command their respect or she isn't battling for the money. One or the other.
I think this turd is recyclable. But I do think it's going to take a nasty overhaul of the AD beginning with Ms. Lenti-Ponsetto. She needs to go, given her record. Or be demoted to something she better understands. Regardless, something is VERY wrong there.
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Starts with the Administration.
Marquette's climb out of the cellar started with the BOT hiring Fr. Wild. He brought along the VPs, etc. that needed convincing.
Then Cords was hired. Then Al Frisone (just kidding, but people like Al play their part). Then quality coaching candidates will follow.
Cords was at MU long before Wild.
MU's climb out of the cellar began when Cords fired Dukiet and hired Kevin O'Neill, then gave up being an independent to join MCC, which beget the Great Midwest which beget Conference USA.
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Chicos, when was the last time you were in Chicago? 1978?
C'mon, Lincoln Park is the hottest part of the city. It is extremely fashionable and young people especially seek out the chance to live there. Housing prices are on par with parts of LA and San Francisco (markets I suspect you know).
As far as academics, when do most high level college basketball players worry about academics? OK, a few do. But many are looking for an opportunity in the NBA. And DePaul being in the heart of Chicago should result in some strong exposure for kids who do not have intentions of playing in the Association.
Finally, my view of DePaul Athletics is this: You live within your means. And as AD, Jean Lenti-Ponsetto has to fight for dollars and she has to command enough respect from Adminsitration to give her the money she requests. Either she doesn't command their respect or she isn't battling for the money. One or the other.
I think this turd is recyclable. But I do think it's going to take a nasty overhaul of the AD beginning with Ms. Lenti-Ponsetto. She needs to go, given her record. Or be demoted to something she better understands. Regardless, something is VERY wrong there.
I'm going to have to second this as I feel like I have to defend the lakeview/LP area where Depaul is located. Depaul is about 2 blocks away from houses ranging upwards of 1.5 million. If that's not considered a good area of town with property values in that range, I have no idea what is.
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DePaul is not considered a very strong academic school, it is not in the greatest part of town, they have lost forever, the $$ doesn't seem to be there...that's a tough turd to polish. It is her job to get the administration to fund those areas, or to get them through fund raising. Again, easier said than done. The new arena will certainly help.
For an 18- to 30-year-old, DePaul is definitely in the greatest part of town. I'm not sure it's even close.
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For an 18- to 30-year-old, DePaul is definitely in the greatest part of town. I'm not sure it's even close.
If money were no object, I think most 18-30 year olds would opt for River North, Streeterville or West Town or something pretty damn close-in. Depends on what you're looking for.
DePaul has a great location, but it's really on the fringe of LP and Lakeview, so it's not like you're in the heart of the action. That said, it's still an excellent part of town, just not the greatest, IMO.
Of course, I inferred - like many - that Chicos has his head up his six and has no idea about today's neighborhood around DePaul.
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If money were no object, I think most 18-30 year olds would opt for River North, Streeterville or West Town or something pretty damn close-in. Depends on what you're looking for.
DePaul has a great location, but it's really on the fringe of LP and Lakeview, so it's not like you're in the heart of the action. That said, it's still an excellent part of town, just not the greatest, IMO.
Of course, I inferred - like many - that Chicos has his head up his six and has no idea about today's neighborhood around DePaul.
There is literally nothing to do in streeterville, nor is there any ability to get there. Streeterville is for people who want to live in chicago but are afraid of living in chicago.
I hated River north when I lived there (outside of living above a Whole foods), but sure... you get a lot of steakhouses to choose from and it's great if you like going to clubs.
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If money were no object, I think most 18-30 year olds would opt for River North, Streeterville or West Town or something pretty damn close-in. Depends on what you're looking for.
DePaul has a great location, but it's really on the fringe of LP and Lakeview, so it's not like you're in the heart of the action. That said, it's still an excellent part of town, just not the greatest, IMO.
Of course, I inferred - like many - that Chicos has his head up his six and has no idea about today's neighborhood around DePaul.
River North, maybe.
I don't think many college students or just out of college kids would chose Streeterville or West Town over Lincoln Park. Nice places to live and all, but not nearly as much to do for the average person.
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Streeterville is for people who want to live in chicago but are afraid of living in chicago.
I thought that was Naperville's slogan.
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From today's Tribune...
Crucial call should be joint one
DePaul must help AD put coach with identity on bench
PHIL VELASQUEZ/CHICAGO TRIBUNE
DePaul athletic director Jean Lenti Ponsetto introduced Oliver Purnell, who was 138-90 at Clemson, as basketball coach in April 2010.
Before DePaul can judge any short list of potential basketball coaches, perhaps university President Rev. Dennis H. Holtschneider needs to re-evaluate the person making it.
Athletic director Jean Lenti Ponsetto offers DePaul 40 years of institutional knowledge, integrity and experience that still could serve a valuable purpose in various other roles in the department. Nobody on campus represents DePaul with any more pride or class. But the fact remains that Lenti Ponsetto has hired two men’s basketball coaches at DePaul since officially taking over as AD in July 2002, and Jerry Wainwright and Oliver Purnell both failed miserably following Dave Leitao.
What makes anybody on the DePaul Board of Trustees confident Lenti Ponsetto will get it right now? The success of other Blue Demons programs on Lenti Ponsetto’s watch, while impressive, means little; basketball defines tenures and determines legacies at DePaul.
If the DePaul powers that be allow Lenti Ponsetto to find Purnell’s replacement, out of practicality, they at least can help her make a better decision this time. Hire an independent consultant familiar with Chicago but not necessarily one of those national search firms that recommends somebody with limited exposure to the city’s recruiting rhythms. Freshen the approach to reduce the chances of the next coach becoming Lenti Ponsetto’s third strike. The key for the new guy isn’t being from Chicago as much as knowing from experience where to locate players once he arrives.
Lenti Ponsetto declined all interview requests until completing the search, which has begun. The man she eventually introduces should be someone who instills an identity and installs a system — what Chris Collins did for Northwestern. The next DePaul coach should be someone with a proven track record of recruiting elite talent and young enough to relate to the AAU generation. The successor must exude energy and enthusiasm, a guy hungry to use DePaul to land a bigger job if he wishes rather than a sleepy coach content to collect fat paychecks on his way to retirement.
Stop hiring guys in their late 50s on their last coaching stops. Stop believing DePaul must hire a coach who connects with the Mark Aguirre era. The recruits who will turn the program around weren’t alive when Aguirre helped make DePaul more relevant locally than the Bulls. The notion of reconnecting with DePaul’s past sounds romantic, but it’s unnecessary.
The parity of the Big East permits programs such as DePaul more opportunities than the previously bloated version full of football schools. In theory, the job should be more appealing now with fewer teams because schools such as Georgetown and St. John’s win without sparkling facilities.
In reality, it will be up to whomever Lenti Ponsetto hires to have a team ready to compete for a conference title by the time DePaul’s 10,000-seat McCormick Place arena is scheduled to open before the 2017-18 season.
The team the next Blue Demons coach will inherit possesses a roster that was good enough to begin conference play 5-2.
The nucleus of Billy Garrett Jr., Thomas Hamilton IV, Myke Henry and Rashaun Stimage gives the next coach more than Purnell had in 2010-11. But besides recruiting, DePaul’s new coach must excel at teaching because Purnell’s players too seldom progressed.
Look what Providence did in hiring Ed Cooley, a longtime Boston College assistant who succeeded in his first head-coaching job at Fairfield. The Friars have made the NCAAs in two of Cooley’s first four years. He was 42 when he took the job. DePaul would be wise to follow a similar model.
Manhattan coach Steve Masiello, 37, for example, helped sign three top-10 recruiting classes in six years at Louisville before taking over his own program, which copies coach Rick Pitino’s unrelenting, attacking 94-foot game. The Jaspers play a distinctive style. Masiello also navigated Chicago well enough to land former Morgan Park star Wayne Black-shear for Louisville, where a mutual friend introduced him to Casey Urlacher and his older brother Brian. Masiello and the Urlachers remain friends, with Brian labeling Masiello “a stud’’ when asked about him Monday.
Buffalo coach Bobby Hurley wouldn’t come with Urlacher’s endorsement but with a Duke pedigree and the kind of quick Mid-American Conference success John Groce converted into the Illinois job. Valparaiso’s Bryce Drew, Green Bay’s Brian Wardle and LaSalle’s John Giannini — all candidates according to a source — offer the right mix of experience and ambition. In a fluid process, other names could emerge with no connection to DePaul’s past but a solid plan for its future. What mid-major NCAA coach will go on a run?
The Blue Demons stayed home from the NCAA tournament for the 11th straight year, but Chicago is well-represented in the 68-team field. It’s up to Lenti Ponsetto, ideally with some help, to find a coach who finally gives elite prospects in America’s worst major-college basketball city a reason to stay home. dhaugh@tribpub.com Twitter @DavidHaugh
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I suppose it's interesting in how bad it is! Is this really the best the Trib thinks they can do? -
Mark Aguirre- zero coaching experience! And I'd have to double check the article, but pretty sure that includes assistant level even!!!
Ty Corbin- coaching experience - interim Sac Kings coach of which he was fired and is now in the all important "advisory role" for the franchise. But hey, both these guys did play at DePaul when they were still relevant 30 plus years ago.
Howland? He's obviously a guy no one wants to touch anymore after how it went down at UCLA, fair or not. ( and please nobody show me the SI link, I knew the story long before I brought his name up in another thread yesterday).
A Georgetown assistant? Because Georgetown has reached elite heights under JTIII, yes they're solid year in and year out, then get to postseason and collapse.
Steve Maisello - OK, he probably can coach and is ready to move up to a major D-1 program, but the reason he's not there now is he lied about graduating from Kentucky. Character red flag maybe?
Bryce Drew- Valpo- he's the only legitimate name on the list that they should even be looking at.
Man, if this is the best they can come up with as a field of candidates, they truly are hopeless at that school. Pathetic.
Congrats, you found negatives for every one of the candidates. But can you tell what is signal and what is noise?
On that list, I see one outstanding candidate, two solid ones and two hit or miss types. BTW, I put Howland in the hit or miss category.
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The Tribune has Matt's brother covering DePaul basketball?
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Congrats, you found negatives for every one of the candidates. But can you tell what is signal and what is noise?
On that list, I see one outstanding candidate, two solid ones and two hit or miss types. BTW, I put Howland in the hit or miss category.
I assume you went
Outstanding : Bryce Drew
Solid: GT Assistant and Masiello
Hit or Miss: Howland and Aguirre
I dont disagree except that is awfully generous to Aguirre. He's been out of the game for 20 years, he might be a good coach eventually, but he'd be completely over his head. I could see it if he'd been an assistant at any point, but he's been in the corporate world.
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I assume you went
Outstanding : Bryce Drew
Solid: GT Assistant and Masiello
Hit or Miss: Howland and Aguirre
I dont disagree except that is awfully generous to Aguirre. He's been out of the game for 20 years, he might be a good coach eventually, but he'd be completely over his head. I could see it if he'd been an assistant at any point, but he's been in the corporate world.
Actually, we agree on Aguirre, he was the one I left out of consideration completely with Corbin being the second one in the hit or miss category. Corbin has coached on the NBA level and can sell that experience to recruits, but when you've not previously recruited, it's always uncertain that you can be successful at it.
My outstanding candidate actually was Tavaras Hardy. He's proven he can recruit top talent with Chicago ties which I see as the key to a DePaul resurgence, and a Northwestern degree proves that he's got more than enough intelligence to be a head coach. College basketball has been his profession for more than 15 years. He can also add an experienced HC to his staff to provide advice while he gets head coaching experience himself.
Marquette's last four successful hires (O'Neill, Crean, Buzz and Wojo) were all high major assistants who came in with reputations as recruiters and succeeded by bringing talent into the program, even if personality quirks eventually derailed the first three.
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The Tribune has Matt's brother covering DePaul basketball?
Actually the article was by David Haugh. Phil Velasquez took the photo that accompanied the article. No idea if they're related.
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It's a shame he's not quite ready, but I've seen Tommy Kleinschmidt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Kleinschmidt) coach (he coached my son in summer bball camps)... He could be good for them some day. He's well connected with the CPS coaches and is hugely respected in town. He's currently the coach at DePaul Prep in Chicago.
He's just never run anything this big.
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It's a shame he's not quite ready, but I've seen Tommy Kleinschmidt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Kleinschmidt) coach (he coached my son in summer bball camps)... He could be good for them some day. He's well connected with the CPS coaches and is hugely respected in town. He's currently the coach at DePaul Prep in Chicago.
He's just never run anything this big.
DePaul Prep is just the new name for Gordon Tech, TK's high school. So he is coaaching his old high school. He has no business based on his resume of getting a big 5 conference coaching job.
On the DePaul neighborhood: Chicos, on this one you have no idea what you're talking about. Have no idea where that came from.
On DePaul job generally, they do not deserve a good coach until they put money into the program (facilities, recruiting, staff) and priortize it ahead of other athletic programs at the school. And that ain't happening under this AD.
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Was having lunch with a friend whose daughter plays softball in the Big East. Reference has been made that Ponsetto's husband is attached to the DP athletic department, and she favors women's sports, but I never saw the particulars.
Her husband coaches the DePaul softball team, and her daughters both play on the team. Many of you probably knew that, but it connected the dots for me.
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Was having lunch with a friend whose daughter plays softball in the Big East. Reference has been made that Ponsetto's husband is attached to the DP athletic department, and she favors women's sports, but I never saw the particulars.
Her husband coaches the DePaul softball team, and her daughters both play on the team. Many of you probably knew that, but it connected the dots for me.
Her *brother* coaches the softball team. She has another brother working in the athletic department as well.
Her husband, Joe Ponsetto, played for Ray Meyer in the 1970s.
It is all very incestuous.
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Her *brother* coaches the softball team. She has another brother working in the athletic department as well.
Her husband, Joe Ponsetto, played for Ray Meyer in the 1970s.
It is all very incestuous.
All these reasons are why she's not going anywhere. In fact if she had any love for her and her husband's alma mater (and I'm guessing many other family members) she'd either step down or hire a consulting group over making the decision herself.
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Her *brother* coaches the softball team. She has another brother working in the athletic department as well.
Her husband, Joe Ponsetto, played for Ray Meyer in the 1970s.
It is all very incestuous.
yes, and Joey, Ray's son also played for ray and later was Coach. The incest is very clear. Wonder who George Mikan was boinking?
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Her *brother* coaches the softball team. She has another brother working in the athletic department as well.
Her husband, Joe Ponsetto, played for Ray Meyer in the 1970s.
It is all very incestuous.
Thanks for the clarification. Apparently he is a good coach. Top program year after year.
Larger point remains. Her daughters play sports at DePaul. That was one of the dots I was missing.
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Her *brother* coaches the softball team. She has another brother working in the athletic department as well.
Her husband, Joe Ponsetto, played for Ray Meyer in the 1970s.
It is all very incestuous.
Yep. It's Chicago.
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Ners to DePaul.
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All these reasons are why she's not going anywhere. In fact if she had any love for her and her husband's alma mater (and I'm guessing many other family members) she'd either step down or hire a consulting group over making the decision herself.
And they are the reasons why I am skeptical anyone can succeed as head coach of the men's basketball program. While Lenti-Ponsetto is there the atmosphere and resources to build a top flight program will not exist.
Every morning when I get up, I thank God for not guiding me to matriculate at DePaul.
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Adam Zagoria and Roy Schmidt both reporting on Twitter the DePaul job is basically Ben Howland's to lose. I assume because the old retread coach worked so well the last couple times.
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Adam Zagoria and Roy Schmidt both reporting on Twitter the DePaul job is basically Ben Howland's to lose. I assume because the old retread coach worked so well the last couple times.
STRIKE THREE...........ask Carlino.
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Hmmm. Would be a very un-DePaul like hire, and a risky one.
Not that safe ones have worked out for them.
Roy Schmidt @prepbullseye
Have been told by a source who would surely know that Bobby Hurley is now DePaul's top target for the HC opening there.
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Howland now being rumored at Mississippi State. Amazing how his name comes up for every high major job that opens. ::)
Hurley would be a gutsy but promising hire for DePaul. Be interesting to see what he did with his staff, would need a Chicago assistant I'd think.
In other news, Bradley just fired their coach today.
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Howland now being rumored at Mississippi State. Amazing how his name comes up for every high major job that opens. ::)
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Ben Howland has emerged as the frontrunner and is in discussions to take the Mississippi State job, sources told ESPN.
The guy definitely left UCLA on a sour note, but he's fairly accomplished and would be a great get for a middling program like Mississippi State.
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It is if the Trib is right about their candidates, cripes.
Couldn't other schools have said the same about our options when we hired Crean? Granted we were not as low as they are now but I remember someone listing the candidates in another thread and at least one poster not being that impressed with them.
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Hurley would be a gutsy but promising hire for DePaul. Be interesting to see what he did with his staff, would need a Chicago assistant I'd think.
I think this is the Best guy for DePaul........If they can finish.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Ben Howland has emerged as the frontrunner and is in discussions to take the Mississippi State job, sources told ESPN.
The guy definitely left UCLA on a sour note, but he's fairly accomplished and would be a great get for a middling program like Mississippi State.
Man, why such a precipitous fall? I mean, I get that there may there may be some stink and/or burned bridges, but did Howland kill someone or something? Nobody seems to want to be seen even entertaining the thought of hiring him.
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Shouldn't have let the inmates run the asylum his last couple of years in LA while simultaneously being a douche. People talk.
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Man, why such a precipitous fall? I mean, I get that there may there may be some stink and/or burned bridges, but did Howland kill someone or something? Nobody seems to want to be seen even entertaining the thought of hiring him.
They don't play entertaining basketball, he is tough to deal with, AAU coaches don't like him, and he's intense as hell. Now, if he wins, no one cares. If they don't win, well people start to care. I worked with Ben for two years when I ran NCAA March Madness for my old company. Ben was our spokesperson. Ben can be a cranky dude and some AD's don't want cranky dudes. Recruiting got to be a bear at the end with the AAU coaches wanting no part of him out here.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Ben Howland has emerged as the frontrunner and is in discussions to take the Mississippi State job, sources told ESPN.
The guy definitely left UCLA on a sour note, but he's fairly accomplished and would be a great get for a middling program like Mississippi State.
DePaul must of heard his salary demands.
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Man, why such a precipitous fall? I mean, I get that there may there may be some stink and/or burned bridges, but did Howland kill someone or something? Nobody seems to want to be seen even entertaining the thought of hiring him.
He fostered a culture of terror, allowing violence, bullying, and drug use.
The winning and pace of play argument is kind of suspect. UCLA won the Pac 12 in his last year and played with a top-40 pace of play. I wonder if Penn State had something to do with his firing. While the length of offenses by Jerry Sandusky was far longer, there seemed to be a lot of fear after that came out and the actions of Reeves Nelson reeked of a lack of institutional control.
It's possible the allegations against him are overstated, and I've no doubt he wants back in to redeem his reputation, but I'd be very wary of Howland after UCLA. No program can say they weren't warned.
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DePaul is not considered a very strong academic school, it is not in the greatest part of town, they have lost forever, the $$ doesn't seem to be there...that's a tough turd to polish.
Sorry to come back to this but thus could not be more wrong (note, I literally live about 150 yards from their campus). It is important to note because the immense wealth around Depaul kills the feeling of a campus. Marquette has much more of a campus presence than DePaul will ever have.
A few of many examples within a few block walk of Depaul.
The owner of the LA Dodgers, Mark Walters (CEO of Guggenheim), lives in Lincoln Park a few blocks from Depaul.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Date=20140520&Category=CRED06&ArtNo=520009998&Ref=PH#1
Just up the street from him is former Indy 500 Bobby Rahal. He listed his house for $3.95 million
http://chicago.curbed.com/archives/2014/10/14/former-indy-500-champ-bobby-rahal-lists-lincoln-park-home.php
Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzer lives a five minute walk from campus and here house also valued north of $20 million.
http://www.chicagonow.com/getting-real/2013/02/penny-pritzkers-house-1875-n-orchard/
Aeon Founder Richard Parillo built an Italian villa that has a staff of 10 and it 3 blocks from Depaul.
(http://www.chicagonow.com/getting-real/files/2011/07/IMG_0280b.jpg)
A standard city lot in Chicago is 25 feet wide and 125 feet long. The lots (tear-downs) are going for $1.3 to $1.5 million. Again this is just the lot (plus $40k to $50k to tear-down the existing home).
Somebody wrote that Depaul is not a good place from 18 to 23 year olds. This is correct ... they cannot afford it.
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Heise baby, where does your crib fall in the mix, bro?
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I think this is the Best guy for DePaul........If they can finish.
I think DePaul goes all in on Archie Miller. DePaul with a new stadium and the Big East has a lot to offer. He has recruited Chicago very well.
Not sure he'd leave Dayton which has really become a solid program with incredible community support.
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Heise baby, where does your crib fall in the mix, bro?
If you have to ask ... you cannot afford it!
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If you have to ask ... you cannot afford it!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/93/93/9f/93939f5575cdd96e52edea144eb14c30.jpg)
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(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/93/93/9f/93939f5575cdd96e52edea144eb14c30.jpg)
Love this place ... but real chili is better.
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No Howland for DePaul.
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Ben Howland has reached a verbal agreement to become the Mississippi State coach, sources told ESPN. He is en route to Starkville now.
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Man, why such a precipitous fall? I mean, I get that there may there may be some stink and/or burned bridges, but did Howland kill someone or something? Nobody seems to want to be seen even entertaining the thought of hiring him.
If there are public pictures of you drinking with underage athletes. Then there are probably private pictures of even worse transgressions.
Hope Mississippi State can hold their noses
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I think DePaul goes all in on Archie Miller. DePaul with a new stadium and the Big East has a lot to offer. He has recruited Chicago very well.
Not sure he'd leave Dayton which has really become a solid program with incredible community support.
Imo, not a chance for DePaul. Miller was not interested in Marquette. He will leave Dayton eventually, and it will be for an opportunity perhaps not the same as his brother Sean, but much closer to that type of fit than a DePaul type of situation.
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Mississippi State is the perfect place for Howland to get a start over. (Similar to Eustachy starting over at Southern Miss.) Show people you learned from your mistakes, win some games, move up to a bigger job. (If you want to.)
MSU has some tradition, but it is not a very good job. Really no access to quality talent. Starkville is a sh*thole. Previous coaches won down there with a lot of Juco transfers and the occasion top player that Mississippi seems to generate. (Went to the 1996 Final Four with Erik Dampier for instance.)
If you can win there, you have earned your stripes.
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Yeah, but I thought Ben said he'd only get back inta coachin' if the situation was right, hey?
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Yeah, but I thought Ben said he'd only get back inta coachin' if the situation was right, hey?
Right situation = someone willing to hire him.
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AKA any port in a storm, hey?
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Right situation = someone willing to hire him.
When it came out that he wanted UNLV but it never opened, I figured he must just be at home cold calling athletic directors.
"Hello, Mr _________? This is Ben. I was wondering if you've given any thought to your basketball coaching situation. Yes, I understand you already have a coach, but what if I could replace that coach with one that has recruited McDonald's All Americans and been to the Final Four three times. Not only that, he's currently out of work so you wouldn't have to contribute to a buyout. Now how much would you pay for that? $3 million per year? $2.5 million? Well if you give me a verbal agreement today, you can have all that for the low low price of just $2.2 million annually!"
On a serious note, Roy Schmidt is reporting Bobby Hurley is DePaul's top target and there is definite mutual interest.
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AKA any port in a storm, hey?
Just like your old days at the 'Lanche. At 2:00 AM only the "Starkville of Women" remain.
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On a serious note, Roy Schmidt is reporting Bobby Hurley is DePaul's top target and there is definite mutual interest.
5 years from owning racehorses and not being a coach, to BE HC. Not a bad ascension.
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I just read they've talked to Dave Leiteo. Can that be accurate? If they are considering him, Ponsetto should be removed from the process.
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5 years from owning racehorses and not being a coach, to BE HC. Not a bad ascension.
Well, not that he paid for all those horses.
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5 years from owning racehorses and not being a coach, to BE HC. Not a bad ascension.
How much longer before Dan is taking over for Willard at SHU?
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The Hurley brothers matching up twice a year would be a cool marketing chip for the league.
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I just read they've talked to Dave Leiteo. Can that be accurate? If they are considering him, Ponsetto should be removed from the process.
The same guy that left DePaul for Virginia in 2005? If that's true, even for DePaul, that's pretty hilarious.
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The Hurley brothers matching up twice a year would be a cool marketing chip for the league.
If I was Bobby Hurley, I would stay far away from the DePaul job.
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Sorry to come back to this but thus could not be more wrong (note, I literally live about 150 yards from their campus). It is important to note because the immense wealth around Depaul kills the feeling of a campus. Marquette has much more of a campus presence than DePaul will ever have.
A few of many examples within a few block walk of Depaul.
The owner of the LA Dodgers, Mark Walters (CEO of Guggenheim), lives in Lincoln Park a few blocks from Depaul.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Date=20140520&Category=CRED06&ArtNo=520009998&Ref=PH#1
Just up the street from him is former Indy 500 Bobby Rahal. He listed his house for $3.95 million
http://chicago.curbed.com/archives/2014/10/14/former-indy-500-champ-bobby-rahal-lists-lincoln-park-home.php
Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzer lives a five minute walk from campus and here house also valued north of $20 million.
http://www.chicagonow.com/getting-real/2013/02/penny-pritzkers-house-1875-n-orchard/
Aeon Founder Richard Parillo built an Italian villa that has a staff of 10 and it 3 blocks from Depaul.
(http://www.chicagonow.com/getting-real/files/2011/07/IMG_0280b.jpg)
A standard city lot in Chicago is 25 feet wide and 125 feet long. The lots (tear-downs) are going for $1.3 to $1.5 million. Again this is just the lot (plus $40k to $50k to tear-down the existing home).
Somebody wrote that Depaul is not a good place from 18 to 23 year olds. This is correct ... they cannot afford it.
I live on the same block as the Parillo house in the picture, one of my elderly neighbors put there 2, 75 year old houses (next to each other) on the market for 5.75 million as a Tear down with a big for sale sign out front (by owner) there lot is 66 x 131 or approx 2.75 standard lots or 2 million per lot.
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Chit, I'm on the wrong site. Between you and 82 the rest of us paupers don't stand a chance, ai na?
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Bobby Hurley is DePaul front-runner
Updated: March 24, 2015, 9:48 PM ET
By Jeff Goodman | ESPN.com
Buffalo coach Bobby Hurley has emerged as the front-runner for the DePaul job, multiple sources told ESPN.
Hurley, 43, is a former Duke star and NBA point guard who took the Bulls to the NCAA tournament this year, just his second heading up the program. Hurley previously was an assistant under his brother, Danny, at Wagner and Rhode Island.
One source told ESPN that Hurley, whose team lost to West Virginia in the round of 64, is expected to interview this weekend at DePaul. He would replace Oliver Purnell, who was 54-105 in five seasons.
Parker Executive Search is helping DePaul with the process. It's the same company that was hired for the Buffalo men's basketball opening a couple of years ago.
Sources told ESPN that Valparaiso coach Bryce Drew and former DePaul star and NBA coach Tyrone Corbin also are in the mix.
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I may be proven wrong about this, but I'd prefer they hire Hurley instead of Bryce Drew.
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I may be proven wrong about this, but I'd prefer they hire Hurley instead of Bryce Drew.
Maybe they'll hire them both:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/03/24/sources-bryce-drew-is-depauls-top-target/
Now 10 days after the position opened, Valparaiso’s Bryce Drew is DePaul’s top target for its basketball coaching vacancy, sources said.
After a 54-105 mark in five seasons, Oliver Purnell was forced out by DePaul athletic director Jean Lenti Ponsetto — with resignation politely used by the university — and Drew, 40, became the logical replacement.
A source close to Drew believes that he will take the DePaul job, citing the allure of Chicago and its location still fairly close to Valparaiso, Ind., Drew’s hometown and where family members live. The source said Drew was one of the candidates pushing for the Northwestern opening two years ago, which eventually went to Chris Collins.
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Sounds to me like Drew has already taken himself out of the mix.
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Wojo, Hurley, Cooley, Holtman, Mack plus McD, JT3, Wright... Not a bad group of young/middle aged coaches. Compare that to big ten/acc where the majority of best teams are coached by very old guys, potentially soon to retire (boeheim, K, Roy, izzo, Bo). Maybe that translates into long term competitiveness and success for the league?
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I swore any decent candidate would be scared off by the horrible facilities and athletic department. Pretty amazing hire if DePaul can pull it off.
Hurley - Collins - Wojo
I94 Duke
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This just got me thinking, the aren't any high profile openings out there this year. Hurley was expected to be the hot guy on the market, but in reality, as sad as it sounds, DePaul might be the highest profile job available.
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This just got me thinking, the aren't any high profile openings out there this year. Hurley was expected to be the hot guy on the market, but in reality, as sad as it sounds, DePaul might be the highest profile job available.
You bring up a good point. And if Alabama misses out on G.Marshall I doubt Hurley fits in down south. Also; Buffalo is returning nearly everybody next year. Why leave a year early for a dumpster fire of a job like DePaul.
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This just got me thinking, the aren't any high profile openings out there this year. Hurley was expected to be the hot guy on the market, but in reality, as sad as it sounds, DePaul might be the highest profile job available.
That's the kind of thinking that led Buzz to jump on Virginia Tech. Who knows what opens up in a couple weeks.....Memphis would be a decent gig.
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I may be proven wrong about this, but I'd prefer they hire Hurley instead of Bryce Drew.
The one year hotshot coach always reminds me of Stan Heath.
He parlayed one great season with Kent State (Elite Eight) into the Arkansas gig. Cleaned up the mess after the Richardson debacle and promptly gets fired after making the NCAAs in his last two seasons. Then, he moves to South Florida which was mostly forgettable but did steal an NCAA bid that one year the Big East was a monster. Fired last April.
Heath's career is nondescript to most fans. However, he took one run in March and produced two HC gigs out of it for the next ten years and banked millions on the way whilst being a mediocre coach. With regard to Hurley, at least Heath had the decency to win some NCAA games.
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Roy Schmidt at Bullseye said Bryce Drew was returning to Valpo 2 days ago, and now Hurley is getting a contract extension at Buffalo.
http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/
Sounds like DePaul won't get either of them.
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The one year hotshot coach always reminds me of Stan Heath.
He parlayed one great season with Kent State (Elite Eight) into the Arkansas gig. Cleaned up the mess after the Richardson debacle and promptly gets fired after making the NCAAs in his last two seasons. Then, he moves to South Florida which was mostly forgettable but did steal an NCAA bid that one year the Big East was a monster. Fired last April.
Heath's career is nondescript to most fans. However, he took one run in March and produced two HC gigs out of it for the next ten years and banked millions on the way whilst being a mediocre coach. With regard to Hurley, at least Heath had the decency to win some NCAA games.
Richardson debacle? You aren't referring to his coaching prowess I'm assuming?
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Bobby Hurley has not signed deal to stay at Buffalo, sources told ESPN. As of this moment, source said he intends to interview with DePaul.
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Richardson debacle? You aren't referring to his coaching prowess I'm assuming?
Toward the end of his career at Arkansas, his teams fell into mediocrity barely getting into the tournament and making no noise when they got there. He claimed that the people complaining about this were racist. He eventually was fired and sued the University claiming that he was the victim of a negative racial environment.
A bunch of players transfers or decommitted. Heath came in and did a real good job righting the ship, but then fired him for John Pelphrey - who was bad.
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The one year hotshot coach always reminds me of Stan Heath.
He parlayed one great season with Kent State (Elite Eight) into the Arkansas gig. Cleaned up the mess after the Richardson debacle and promptly gets fired after making the NCAAs in his last two seasons. Then, he moves to South Florida which was mostly forgettable but did steal an NCAA bid that one year the Big East was a monster. Fired last April.
Heath's career is nondescript to most fans. However, he took one run in March and produced two HC gigs out of it for the next ten years and banked millions on the way whilst being a mediocre coach. With regard to Hurley, at least Heath had the decency to win some NCAA games.
Also see Keno Davis ... Parlayed one good year into a big payday at Providence and is now at Central Michigan.
And how about John Groce? I would argue he parlayed one upset win in the tourney to get Ohio in the S16 into a payday with Illinois.
Finally Andy Enfield .... Took Florida Gulf Coat to the S16 two years ago, upsetting Georgetown along the way, and parlayed that into USC.
Note to athletic directors, pick a coach based on his performance before the tourney. Paying coaches for a lucky shot that got their low seed team into the second week is a bad investment.
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Same can be said 'bout T-Cubed and Bumstead, ai na?
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Same can be said 'bout T-Cubed and Bumstead, ai na?
No.
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Same can be said 'bout T-Cubed and Bumstead, ai na?
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The both accomplished more than cashing a paycheck.
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They both parlayed one hit wonders inta big paydays.
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The way this is going DePaul will end up with Herb Sendek.
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Roy Schmidt at Bullseye said Bryce Drew was returning to Valpo 2 days ago, and now Hurley is getting a contract extension at Buffalo.
http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/
Sounds like DePaul won't get either of them.
As long as Lenti-Ponsetto is the AD, the sad truth for DePaul will be that they need to hire a men's basketball coach who is savvy enough to know to turn them down. I expect that Hurley will be asking negotiating for a lot of increased support before he takes the job. Maybe he'll get it, but I doubt it.
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They both parlayed one hit wonders inta big paydays.
Neither MU under Crean nor under Buzz were "one hit wonders," especially compared to the likes of Stan Heath, Bobby Hurley or Keno Davis.
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Also see Keno Davis ... Parlayed one good year into a big payday at Providence and is now at Central Michigan.
And how about John Groce? I would argue he parlayed one upset win in the tourney to get Ohio in the S16 into a payday with Illinois.
Finally Andy Enfield .... Took Florida Gulf Coat to the S16 two years ago, upsetting Georgetown along the way, and parlayed that into USC.
Note to athletic directors, pick a coach based on his performance before the tourney. Paying coaches for a lucky shot that got their low seed team into the second week is a bad investment.
Disagree on Groce. He was Thad Matta's right-hand man for a long time and played a big role in landing some of the top recruits tOSU got during the mid-2000s (i.e. Oden, Conley, Cook, Mullens, etc.).
Also pulled off more than one upset win in the tourney (beat #3 seed G'Town in 2010, beat #4 seed Michigan in 2012).
His resume was much more stacked than those of Keno and Enfield.
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They both parlayed one hit wonders inta big paydays.
What one hit did they both have?
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Neither MU under Crean nor under Buzz were "one hit wonders," especially compared to the likes of Stan Heath, Bobby Hurley or Keno Davis.
For forever to remember two years out of fifteen is quite a positive sign.
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What one hit did they both have?
Crean accomplished a Final Four, thank you DWade, at which he promptly crapped the bed after havin' a week to prepare for Kansas. Buzz ran with the Elite 8 success 'til he worn out his happy.
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Crean accomplished a Final Four, thank you DWade, at which he promptly crapped the bed after havin' a week to prepare for Kansas. Buzz ran with the Elite 8 success 'til he worn out his happy.
So neither are apt comparisons. Thanks for playing.
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The latest on Hurley is he and U. of Buffalo have verbally agreed to a contract, which has not yet been signed, and yet he still plans to interview with DePaul. Huh...
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The latest on Hurley is he and U. of Buffalo have verbally agreed to a contract, which has not yet been signed, and yet he still plans to interview with DePaul. Huh...
Only DePaul would be leveraged by a guy who has coached two years and assisted by two more.
If this is indeed what is happening, I would tell Bobby to enjoy his time in Buffalo.
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The latest on Hurley is he and U. of Buffalo have verbally agreed to a contract, which has not yet been signed, and yet he still plans to interview with DePaul. Huh...
Bothers me a bit too. So did he shake his AD's hand or not?
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Hurley would make a lot of sense at St.Johns
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#donedeal, hey?
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Bothers me a bit too. So did he shake his AD's hand or not?
Why would that bother you? Buffalo knows he's looking, so they made an offer to try to get him to stay. Just because they agree what an extension will look like IF he decides to stay, doesn't mean he has to decide to stay. Wouldn't he be wise to see what a contract with depaul might look like as well?
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Anthony Davis, Wayne Blackshear and 2 other top Chicago recruits were all seriously considering going to DePaul as a group. IIRC, one of them got cold feet, committed elsewhere and they all went their separate ways. Imagine how DePaul and Purnell's fortunes would have changed even if they had landed just Davis, let alone 4 top 100 players.
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Bothers me a bit too. So did he shake his AD's hand or not?
I actually think this is refreshingly honest. Hurley's name is likely no hotter. He is going to listen to a Big East program, albeit the worst one in the conference. The Buffalo AD struck first and said here's your financial leverage when you talk to those clowns in Chicago so suck them dry or come on back when they most probably screw up the hiring process.
Everyone knows where everyone is positioned. Kind of the exact opposite of what we experienced last year.
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I actually think this is refreshingly honest. Hurley's name is likely no hotter. He is going to listen to a Big East program, albeit the worst one in the conference. The Buffalo AD struck first and said here's your financial leverage when you talk to those clowns in Chicago so suck them dry or come on back when they most probably screw up the hiring process.
Everyone knows where everyone is positioned. Kind of the exact opposite of what we experienced last year.
I don't know .... the Buffalo contract pays him $550K. That's great for Buffalo and the MAC, but DePaul basically could triple that and still save money compared to what they were paying Purnell (reportedly $1.8 million or more).
So, I don't think this is going to push DePaul outside their comfort zone of what they're willing to spend.
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I actually think Corbin would be a great hire. NBA resume as a player and coach, DePaul alum, African American, the dude has been an impressive guy since he stepped into Lincoln Park and is known as a total worker. You watch...he'd be great there.
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I actually think Corbin would be a great hire. NBA resume as a player and coach, DePaul alum, African American, the dude has been an impressive guy since he stepped into Lincoln Park and is known as a total worker. You watch...he'd be great there.
Well outside of the fact he was pretty poor as an NBA coach. This is the same theory that caused NC State to hire Sydney Lowe.
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Why would that bother you? Buffalo knows he's looking, so they made an offer to try to get him to stay. Just because they agree what an extension will look like IF he decides to stay, doesn't mean he has to decide to stay. Wouldn't he be wise to see what a contract with depaul might look like as well?
If he thanked them for the offer and said he'd get back to them following more due diligence I have no problem.
If he shook hands on the deal pending final paperwork and then continued to look I have a big problem with that, that's all. Not interested enough in the issue to study the facts too closely. Hope it's the former situation.
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Well outside of the fact he was pretty poor as an NBA coach. This is the same theory that caused NC State to hire Sydney Lowe.
Did I miss Lowe's 15 year NBA playing career? Corbin had a mess of a team in Utah. And DePaul isn't in Duke or NC'S backyard.
How about Fred Hoiberg? Worked out pretty well. Kevin Ollie? How did UCONN do last year?
Tyrone Corbin ain't Sidney Lowe, I can assure you.
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Did I miss Lowe's 15 year NBA playing career? Corbin had a mess of a team in Utah. And DePaul isn't in Duke or NC'S backyard.
He was there for 4 years. And the team regressed under him. And he was a disaster in Sacramento this year.
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He was there for 4 years. And the team regressed under him. And he was a disaster in Sacramento this year.
In other words, DePaul's kind of coach....
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He was there for 4 years. And the team regressed under him. And he was a disaster in Sacramento this year.
Worse than Calipari in New Jersey? Or Pitino in Boston?
You can one off examples all day long. There is no formula for.success in the NBA vs NCAA. Each situation is different. You can't say Corbin is a bad idea because of Sidney Freaking Lowe anymore than you can say Pitino was a bad coach because he was a disaster in Boston.
Of.every name I've heard, none would be a better hire than Corbin.
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Worse than Calipari in New Jersey? Or Pitino in Boston?
You can one off examples all day long. There is no formula for.success in the NBA vs NCAA. Each situation is different. You can't say Corbin is a bad idea because of Sidney Freaking Lowe anymore than you can say Pitino was a bad coach because he was a disaster in Boston.
Of.every name I've heard, none would be a better hire than Corbin.
Rick Pitino and John Calipari were successful college coaches that were bad in the NBA.
I struggle to come up with one example where a bad NBA coach made a good college coach and was never a college coach previously.
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Rick Pitino and John Calipari were successful college coaches that were bad in the NBA.
I struggle to come up with one example where a bad NBA coach made a good college coach and was never a college coach previously.
It makes no difference. Why does there need to be some template? In my opinion, knowing DePaul the way I do, knowing Corbin, that he worked for a legend in Jerry Sloan (who would've been a phenomenal college coach), knowing the kind of example he would set for the kids DePaul would like to attract, he'd be a good hire.
There was no template for Buzz, either. Or Al McGuire (obviously an extreme example). John Thompson?
For instance, I believe UNC Charlotte's recent hiring of Mark Price is a great idea. It's a roll of the dice...more so than Corbin would be...but it's thinking outside the box to resuscitate a moribund program.
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Rick Pitino and John Calipari were successful college coaches that were bad in the NBA.
I struggle to come up with one example where a bad NBA coach made a good college coach and was never a college coach previously.
The Mayor was an assistant and head of bb Operations with the Wolves on some less than stellar teams who could fit in your 2nd category.
Larry Krystkowiak fits in with Pitino and Cal in the reverse list, as do Lou Carnesecca, Tim Floyd, Lon Kreuger, KO, and Len Hamilton, etc. the advantage of having NBA Coach on your resume is quite significant, to the point where there aren't many failures going the reverse way back to college. DePaul could do a lot worse.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/04/how-have-coaches-fared-making-the-jump-from-college-to-the-nba/
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Corbin would at least inject a little bit of excitement into their fanbase, which is something the Wainwright and Purnell hires definitely did not do. It would at least show they're going a different direction than the old retread college coaches. They could do worse and hire another retread like Anthony Grant, Herb Sendek, Dave Laitao, or Craig Robinson. I think Bryce Drew is their best option, but there seem to be conflicting reports of whether he's interested.
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Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels
Arizona State has had a preliminary conversation with Buffalo coach Bobby Hurley, according to @SunDevilSource.
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A DePaul/Tyrone Corbin hire would remind me too much of a Rutgers/Eddie Jordan hire, which hasn't gone successfully at all. Both coaches bring NBA-level experience, of which neither was particularly successful, and both bring an alumnus-factor for the school they are being hired by (Corbin-DePaul, Jordan-Rutgers). In both cases, the coach is expected to bring excitement and enthusiasm with recruiting. "Hey, this guy is a former player and graduate of the school. He knows how great our school is and what type of players are required to be successful. Come to our school to experience the same level of success."
The problem is that Jordan has done absolutely nothing in either the American Athletic Conference or the B1G. In both seasons, he has managed to barely win 10 games, and the recruits aren't exactly lining up, wanting to attend Rutgers for basketball. I see a similar problem for DePaul/Corbin. Are recruits really going to be saying, "I really need to play for Tyrone Corbin - he's a DePaul guy."
DePaul doesn't need an alumnus or a tie to the program to be successful. It needs a winner (either by proven standards or by the up-and-coming route). JLP has hired two consecutive old-timer head coaches who were moderately successful at prior stops. They simply cannot do that a third time.
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This house just came on the market. It is about 50 yards from Depaul's Wish Field and one block from their basketball practice facility (about the same distance that Tower hall is from the AL). Asking price is $4 million.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2231-N-Fremont-St-60614/home/13353378?utm_source=myredfin&utm_campaign=instant24_listings_update&utm_medium=email&utm_content=view_details
Maybe they should offer it to Hurley as an incentive to come to "not the best neighborhood" in Chicago.
Wait ... maybe this is Purnell's house???
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The Mayor was an assistant and head of bb Operations with the Wolves on some less than stellar teams who could fit in your 2nd category.
Larry Krystkowiak fits in with Pitino and Cal in the reverse list, as do Lou Carnesecca, Tim Floyd, Lon Kreuger, KO, and Len Hamilton, etc. the advantage of having NBA Coach on your resume is quite significant, to the point where there aren't many failures going the reverse way back to college. DePaul could do a lot worse.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/04/how-have-coaches-fared-making-the-jump-from-college-to-the-nba/
All of those were successful college coaches first, then went to the NBA.
Corbin has never been a successful coach anywhere.
A DePaul/Tyrone Corbin hire would remind me too much of a Rutgers/Eddie Jordan hire, which hasn't gone successfully at all. Both coaches bring NBA-level experience, of which neither was particularly successful, and both bring an alumnus-factor for the school they are being hired by (Corbin-DePaul, Jordan-Rutgers). In both cases, the coach is expected to bring excitement and enthusiasm with recruiting. "Hey, this guy is a former player and graduate of the school. He knows how great our school is and what type of players are required to be successful. Come to our school to experience the same level of success."
The problem is that Jordan has done absolutely nothing in either the American Athletic Conference or the B1G. In both seasons, he has managed to barely win 10 games, and the recruits aren't exactly lining up, wanting to attend Rutgers for basketball. I see a similar problem for DePaul/Corbin. Are recruits really going to be saying, "I really need to play for Tyrone Corbin - he's a DePaul guy."
DePaul doesn't need an alumnus or a tie to the program to be successful. It needs a winner (either by proven standards or by the up-and-coming route). JLP has hired two consecutive old-timer head coaches who were moderately successful at prior stops. They simply cannot do that a third time.
This sums up what I was trying to say so much better than I said it.
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Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels
Arizona State has had a preliminary conversation with Buffalo coach Bobby Hurley, according to @SunDevilSource.
Translation: if you're Buffalo's AD be prepared to lose Bobby Hurley, if not this year, then next.
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Corbin would at least inject a little bit of excitement into their fanbase, which is something the Wainwright and Purnell hires definitely did not do. It would at least show they're going a different direction than the old retread college coaches. They could do worse and hire another retread like Anthony Grant, Herb Sendek, Dave Laitao, or Craig Robinson. I think Bryce Drew is their best option, but there seem to be conflicting reports of whether he's interested.
Given the fact that he was the last coach to actually have some measure of success at DePaul, I'd think that Dave Laitao might generate the most excitement.
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Translation: if you're Buffalo's AD be prepared to lose Bobby Hurley, if not this year, then next.
That's pretty much the curse of succeeding in a conference like the MAC.
Just ask the Northern Illinois football program.
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This house just came on the market. It is about 50 yards from Depaul's Wish Field and one block from their basketball practice facility (about the same distance that Tower hall is from the AL). Asking price is $4 million.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2231-N-Fremont-St-60614/home/13353378?utm_source=myredfin&utm_campaign=instant24_listings_update&utm_medium=email&utm_content=view_details
Maybe they should offer it to Hurley as an incentive to come to "not the best neighborhood" in Chicago.
Wait ... maybe this is Purnell's house???
Waaay too modern for my taste. If you looked at that kitchen when the sun happened to hit it, you might end up with retina damage.
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Waaay too modern for my taste. If you looked at that kitchen when the sun happened to hit it, you might end up with retina damage.
Not to mention that the exterior is as ugly as crap. If you are dropping that kind of dough for a house, shouldn't the outside be attractive as well?
Makes a perfect surface for graffiti, though.
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Not to mention that the exterior is as ugly as crap. If you are dropping that kind of dough for a house, shouldn't the outside be attractive as well?
Makes a perfect surface for graffiti, though.
Looks like a hotel more than a house.
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Translation: if you're Buffalo's a mid major AD whose basketball team made the tourney with a young coach, be prepared to lose Bobby Hurley that coach, if not this year, then next.
FTFY
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Looks like a hotel more than a house.
Or an office building.
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Ok try this, it about 4 blocks off Depaul's campus and about 150 yards from Lincoln Park High School.
Asking price is $18.75 million
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1955-N-Burling-St-60614/home/13348189
The head of Goldman Sachs Chicago office is the current owner. (it about a block from Mark Walters house, the owner of the Dodgers)
(note I'm diverging into this real estate tour to illustrate the unique problem Depaul has. Most schools are in bad neighborhoods. Depaul has a capital campaign underway to raise $250 million just to buy land around the campus because prices are astronomical. MU could by half of Milwaukee with $250 million. Depaul wants to acquire a few blocks and selected properties.
This is why a Lincoln park basketball arena is not doable. The land values, even for the Finkl property, are out of sight.
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Ok try this, it about 4 blocks off Depaul's campus and about 150 yards from Lincoln Park High School.
Asking price is $18.75 million
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1955-N-Burling-St-60614/home/13348189
The head of Goldman Sachs Chicago office is the current owner. (it about a block from Mark Walters house, the owner of the Dodgers)
(note I'm diverging into this real estate tour to illustrate the unique problem Depaul has. Most schools are in bad neighborhoods. Depaul has a capital campaign underway to raise $250 million just to buy land around the campus because prices are astronomical. MU could by half of Milwaukee with $250 million. Depaul wants to acquire a few blocks and selected properties.
This is why a Lincoln park basketball arena is not doable. The land values, even for the Finkl property, are out of sight.
Nice little house. Kinda reminds me of my butler's quarters.
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Ok try this, it about 4 blocks off Depaul's campus and about 150 yards from Lincoln Park High School.
Asking price is $18.75 million
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1955-N-Burling-St-60614/home/13348189
The head of Goldman Sachs Chicago office is the current owner. (it about a block from Mark Walters house, the owner of the Dodgers)
(note I'm diverging into this real estate tour to illustrate the unique problem Depaul has. Most schools are in bad neighborhoods. Depaul has a capital campaign underway to raise $250 million just to buy land around the campus because prices are astronomical. MU could by half of Milwaukee with $250 million. Depaul wants to acquire a few blocks and selected properties.
This is why a Lincoln park basketball arena is not doable. The land values, even for the Finkl property, are out of sight.
I was the lawyer for the people who built this house and sold it to the current owners in early 2002. At the time, it was the most expensive residential sale in Chicago history. Looks like it will be again when the property sells again.
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I was the lawyer for the people who built this house and sold it to the current owners in early 2002. At the time, it was the most expensive residential sale in Chicago history. Looks like it will be again when the property sells again.
The late Robert Bernard
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Ok try this, it about 4 blocks off Depaul's campus and about 150 yards from Lincoln Park High School.
Asking price is $18.75 million
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1955-N-Burling-St-60614/home/13348189
The head of Goldman Sachs Chicago office is the current owner. (it about a block from Mark Walters house, the owner of the Dodgers)
He was an exec at Spears, Leeds, & Kellogg when Goldman purchased them, but he's not affiliated with Goldman in Chicago. He's one of the group that owns the Tampa Rays though.
Him being in Chicago makes a lot of sense. Fantastically wealthy, but super low profile and limited information around him.
That house is AWESOME looking though. Looks crazy from the street.
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All of those were successful college coaches first, then went to the NBA.
Corbin has never been a successful coach anywhere.
This sums up what I was trying to say so much better than I said it.
To your exception list, i called out the Mayor. Was an NBA assistant and DBO first on not so great Wolves teams and then college. He was not a college coach first.
As to the second point I think we agree: Having NBA on your resume helps tremendously in college. Could help Corbin as it has The Mayor.
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So on one block in Linoln Park we have an owner of the Rays, om another we have an owner of the Dodgers. If memory serves, didn't Michael Haisley, the previous owner of the Memphis Grizzlies also live in Lincoln Park?
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So on one block in Linoln Park we have an owner of the Rays, om another we have an owner of the Dodgers. If memory serves, didn't Michael Haisley, the previous owner of the Memphis Grizzlies also live in Lincoln Park?
When's the Scoop Block Party?
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He was an exec at Spears, Leeds, & Kellogg when Goldman purchased them, but he's not affiliated with Goldman in Chicago. He's one of the group that owns the Tampa Rays though.
Him being in Chicago makes a lot of sense. Fantastically wealthy, but super low profile and limited information around him.
That house is AWESOME looking though. Looks crazy from the street.
Tim Mullen ... Guy got two huge pay days, one from First Options and the other from Spear Leeds. I though right after the merger of Spear and Goldman he was listed as the head of Goldman's Chicago office (maybe Goldman has more than one "head of office")
He is one of Rahm and Obama's biggest donors.
http://chicago.curbed.com/archives/2014/05/08/inside-the-most-expensive-home-in-chicago-right-now.php
According to Crain's, the estate which sits on four city lots at 1955 N. Burling Street is currently owned by Tim Mullen, an independent investor and big time Democratic campaign contributor. The sprawling estate has dethroned Ann Lurie's monster manse as the city's most expensive, but will it sell before it hits the MLS next month, or will it languish on the market for months without any bites? We'll have to wait and see.
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You'd think with all these sports owners and zillionaires living just a few yards off Depaul's campus, the could find some to take interest like Dick Strong. heck they should have 5 Dick Strongs.
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The late Robert Bernard
Very good. He was one of my favorite clients.
As I remember it, Tim Mullen paid cash for that house. He bought the lot next door to make the property 5 lots. I'm guessing he put other money in over the years, but that's a nice return on his investment if he gets what he's asking for it. Good for him.
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Tim Mullen ... Guy got two huge pay days, one from First Options and the other from Spear Leeds. I though right after the merger of Spear and Goldman he was listed as the head of Goldman's Chicago office (maybe Goldman has more than one "head of office")
The only head of the Chicago office that I ever remember recently is Byron Trott, aka Buffett's I-banker.
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Back on topic...Marcus Lovett is visiting DePaul this weekend. Maybe LoVett knows who the next coach will be?
Or is DePaul so desperate for another top-100 kid that they'll let LoVett sit in on the interview process? ;D
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Why would the MU prez wanna visit DPaul?
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The late Robert Bernard
That guy was great. I was really bummed out when he died. I always assumed blow was a major factor
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Tennessee also looking for a coach now. Donnie Tyndall was fired this morning.
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Tennessee also looking for a coach now. Donnie Tyndall was fired this morning.
After one season?
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After one season?
I thought the same thing. It looks like the NCAA is investigating him for issues at Southern Miss. It sounds like they've decided on penalties.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/tennessee-fires-donnie-tyndall/
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After one season?
He had an NCAA investigation follow him from USM. Tennessee hired him anyway. Guess they didn't get enough of that with Bruce Pearl.
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12566848/texas-longhorns-mulling-rick-barnes-job-status
and Barnes is now under the gun at Texas........
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12566848/texas-longhorns-mulling-rick-barnes-job-status
and Barnes is now under the gun at Texas........
Hokies' fans feared this.
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12566848/texas-longhorns-mulling-rick-barnes-job-status
and Barnes is now under the gun at Texas........
Pretty sure he won't be able to make any notable improvements in the next few days before the buyout drops...
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Tennessee also looking for a coach now. Donnie Tyndall was fired this morning.
The AD should be fired as well. Anyone who follows college ball knew Southern Miss was dirty as crap under Tyndell. Downright incompetence for Hart to hire him to Tennessee.
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Hokies' fans feared this.
I don't think there is much chance that Texas would go for Buzz. IMO they shoot higher than that.
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I don't think there is much chance that Texas would go for Buzz. IMO they shoot higher than that.
I've got to believe Longhorn Nation would go ballistic with a Buzz hire. Some serious questions all around about him now, his weird pesonality and leading a high major program. We've all micro analyzed it, but they haven't, and they would not be happy with all the red flags on him his hiring would raise.
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I've got to believe Longhorn Nation would go ballistic with a Buzz hire. Some serious questions all around about him now, his weird pesonality and leading a high major program. We've all micro analyzed it, but they haven't, and they would not be happy with all the red flags on him his hiring would raise.
Yeah, Texas doesn't take chances on coaches that are quirky. I think they try to reach out to a Thad Matta...Sean Miller...John Belein...Billy Donovan...
They may not get them, but as the Charlie Strong hire shows, proven coach, straight laced. They have a lot to offer with their resources so you don't know.
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I was bored the other day and read a thread on a Texas message board about who they wanted as a coach. There were multiple pages, and Buzz's name didn't show up once. Greg Marshall was a popular one. Granted, somewhat unlikely based on Sultan's post. Archie Miller and Shaka were the other two big ones.
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Does it seem like Depaul is taking an unusually long time to pick a new head coach? It's been two weeks since Purnell "resigned." I have to think the decision is coming in the next 3 days.
Don't most get a new hire within a week to 10 days? MU did it in less than 2 weeks and then had an interim AD and rushed the announcement of the new President to get it done.
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Does it seem like Depaul is taking an unusually long time to pick a new head coach? It's been two weeks since Purnell "resigned." I have to think the decision is coming in the next 3 days.
Don't most get a new hire within a week to 10 days? MU did it in less than 2 weeks and then had an interim AD and rushed the announcement of the new President to get it done.
Not very long. They just scheduled their meetings for tomorrow, so they aren't really hiring someone without an interview. I expect to hear something from Saturday. Especially since LoVett is visiting right around that time too. I imagine that is not coincidence.
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Does it seem like Depaul is taking an unusually long time to pick a new head coach? It's been two weeks since Purnell "resigned." I have to think the decision is coming in the next 3 days.
Don't most get a new hire within a week to 10 days? MU did it in less than 2 weeks and then had an interim AD and rushed the announcement of the new President to get it done.
Probably need to wait for Izzo to finish coaching in the tournament, aina?
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If Buzz was coming off 2 more good seasons at MU, I could see UT being interested.
I know they will set their sights extremely high, and they can pay a TON of $, but as we have seen with some recent searches (UCLA being an example), it's hard/impossible to pull the top guys away from good gigs.
If not for the VaTech move, Buzz might have been in that second tier of coaches that are actually attainable for UT.
But, UT isn't going to want to play the underdog card. They want to be top dog. Buzz doesn't necessarily fit in that type of culture... so I don't know if it would be a good fit anyways. I'm not sure that Buzz is really comfortable with top dog status.
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If Buzz was coming off 2 more good seasons at MU, I could see UT being interested.
I know they will set their sights extremely high, and they can pay a TON of $, but as we have seen with some recent searches (UCLA being an example), it's hard/impossible to pull the top guys away from good gigs.
If not for the VaTech move, Buzz might have been in that second tier of coaches that are actually attrightble for UT.
But, UT isn't going to want to play the underdog card. They want to be top dog. Buzz doesn't necessarily fit in that type of culture... so I don't know if it would be a good fit anyways. I'm not sure that Buzz is really comfortable with top dog status.
I don't think Buzz and the Texas spotlight are a good fit.
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I don't think Buzz and the Texas spotlight are a good fit.
What spotlight? Texas is first and foremost a FB school. BB lingers in its shadows. That's why Rick Barnes has hung on as long as he has.
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What spotlight? Texas is first and foremost a FB school. BB lingers in its shadows. That's why Rick Barnes has hung on as long as he has.
It's still a really big job, even if football is everything there. A guy like Buzz, who is quirky and a little rough around the edges, is better suited flying under the radar.
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Does it seem like Depaul is taking an unusually long time to pick a new head coach? It's been two weeks since Purnell "resigned." I have to think the decision is coming in the next 3 days.
Don't most get a new hire within a week to 10 days? MU did it in less than 2 weeks and then had an interim AD and rushed the announcement of the new President to get it done.
High expectations, low resources, and Jean Lenti-Ponsetto. Just like with the Purnell hire, they are probably surprised at the lack of interest. They'll probably end up with someone looking for a few more big paydays before retirement.
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High expectations, low resources, and Jean Lenti-Ponsetto. Just like with the Purnell hire, they are probably surprised at the lack of interest. They'll probably end up with someone looking for a few more big paydays before retirement.
It's probably simply taking that long to plow through the gargantuan pile of stellar resumes that started pouring in the minute Purnell announced his resignation.
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Bumstead crapped the Texas bed when he bolted for Va Tech.
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It's probably simply taking that long to plow through the gargantuan pile of stellar resumes that started pouring in the minute Purnell announced his resignation.
my bad
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Does it seem like Depaul is taking an unusually long time to pick a new head coach? It's been two weeks since Purnell "resigned." I have to think the decision is coming in the next 3 days.
Don't most get a new hire within a week to 10 days? MU did it in less than 2 weeks and then had an interim AD and rushed the announcement of the new President to get it done.
Look, I know it's DePaul so I am probably misguided for giving them the benefit of the doubt...
But really there is no reason to rush this. Make the right choice. Someone who fits the program and has a vision for how to get it right in the long term. It's not as though they have a stellar recruiting class coming in, or is danger of a ton of quality players transferring.
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Look, I know it's DePaul so I am probably misguided for giving them the benefit of the doubt...
But really there is no reason to rush this. Make the right choice. Someone who fits the program and has a vision for how to get it right in the long term. It's not as though they have a stellar recruiting class coming in, or is danger of a ton of quality players transferring.
...and they don't have a top flight candidate that they want to lockup...
It's DePaul, dude. They are under few years under a bad to so so hire away from having the light go on and starting to fix things.
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Hokies' fans feared this.
Perhaps, I should have used teal. Good grief.
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DePaul thinks it is too good to hire a top assistant and it can't find any big-league coaches who want to go there, so they end up hiring the Purnells and Wainwrights and Kennedys.
They never would have hired O'Neill or Crean or Buzz. Or Wojo, for that matter. Because they are caught up in the same thing that some Marquette fans were: "We're a big-boy school and we have to make a big-boy hire."
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Steve Lavin is available.
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Steve Lavin is available.
He'd fit right in with their recent history of hires.
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If you know Purnell is gone for past 3 month (minimum) you should have already had a list of candidates that you've vetted and know wheyher their interested. When you pull the trigger on Purnell you should be interviewing and making an offer to your to candidate.
I've heard that JLP may either be retiring or taking a leave of absence -- this may be slowing down their advance on a head coach.
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DePaul thinks it is too good to hire a top assistant and it can't find any big-league coaches who want to go there, so they end up hiring the Purnells and Wainwrights and Kennedys.
They never would have hired O'Neill or Crean or Buzz. Or Wojo, for that matter. Because they are caught up in the same thing that some Marquette fans were: "We're a big-boy school and we have to make a big-boy hire."
That didn't stop MU from trying to be a big boy school each time....we just failed at it and moved on. We should try to be a big boy school and not on the job training program.
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That didn't stop MU from trying to be a big boy school each time....we just failed at it and moved on. We should try to be a big boy school and not on the job training program.
I agree with statement no. 1.
Statement no. 2-
a) It's worked for us very well going the assistant route.
b) MU can't help the landscape of college athletics today. We're a relatively small (compared to the state universities), private, institution. I don't know what you think MU could have done differently over the years to keep coaches here. We've paid them very well, invested heavily in the men's basketball program, etc. We all know it chapter and verse. MU has done everything in their power to keep the O'Neill's and Crean's, who brought us up from darn near the ashes, and a lot of sustained success.
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I agree with statement no. 1.
Statement no. 2-
a) It's worked for us very well going the assistant route.
b) MU can't help the landscape of college athletics today. We're a relatively small (compared to the state universities), private, institution. I don't know what you think MU could have done differently over the years to keep coaches here. We've paid them very well, invested heavily in the men's basketball program, etc. We all know it chapter and verse. MU has done everything in their power to keep the O'Neill's and Crean's, who brought us up from darn near the ashes, and a lot of sustained success.
In part, the problems that lead to Buzz's and O'Neil's departure were related to relationships with the administration. Even Al wasn't terribly pleased too.
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I agree with statement no. 1.
Statement no. 2-
a) It's worked for us very well going the assistant route.
b) MU can't help the landscape of college athletics today. We're a relatively small (compared to the state universities), private, institution. I don't know what you think MU could have done differently over the years to keep coaches here. We've paid them very well, invested heavily in the men's basketball program, etc. We all know it chapter and verse. MU has done everything in their power to keep the O'Neill's and Crean's, who brought us up from darn near the ashes, and a lot of sustained success.
I prefer not to have the roll dice every 5 years, that's all. The current fortune we have had with assistants will not last forever. On the flip side, not every established coach works out either.
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Current Elite 8 coaches and when they started their gig with their current school:
Coach K, 1980
Izzo, 1995
Few, 1999
Brey, 2000
Pitino, 2001
Ryan, 2001
Calipari, 2009
Miller, 2009
Stability matters. The shortest tenure is five years.
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while I was not at all surprised to see him out of St. John's, isn't Lavin a no brained for DePaul (at least from their perspective)?
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while I was not at all surprised to see him out of St. John's, isn't Lavin a no brained for DePaul (at least from their perspective)?
If they go for Lavin (totally a typical DePaul hire) it would show they haven't learned anything from marginally successful retread hires of the past. Really sounding like Drew is their first choice and Hurley their second.
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One thing that could explain the wait is that Depaul has its sights on a coach who is still in the tourney.
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If they go for Lavin (totally a typical DePaul hire) it would show they haven't learned anything from marginally successful retread hires of the past. Really sounding like Drew is their first choice and Hurley their second.
They May be their first choices, but that doesn't mean much. Guessing Olver Purnell would have liked to get commitments from Jalil Okahfor and Karl Anthony Townes too. Gotta hire a guy you can get.
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They should be able to get Drew for sure. Hurley perhaps. For as much as a dumpster fire as DePaul is, it is a significant upgrade for both of them.
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DePaul is completely out of ideas and probably has no one that is interested.
Sad
DePaul evaluating Dave Leitao
Updated: March 28, 2015, 10:48 PM ET
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12579222/depaul-blue-demons-seriously-considering-bringing-back-dave-leitao-coach
The DePaul Blue Demons have interviewed Tulsa Golden Hurricane assistant coach Dave Leitao and are seriously considering hiring back the former head coach, multiple sources told ESPN.
Leitao was the Blue Demons' coach for three seasons from 2002 to '05. He took DePaul to one NCAA tournament, a round-of-32 finish in 2004, and two NITs. Leitao was 58-34 at DePaul.
He jumped to Virginia in 2005-06 but resigned after four lackluster seasons, a 63-60 overall record and only one NCAA tournament appearance.
Since then, Leitao has been an assistant at Missouri and Tulsa. He moved to the Golden Hurricane in 2014 when head coach Frank Haith made the same jump.
Leitao also was a head coach at Northeastern for two seasons in the 1990s, going 22-35 overall, between stints as an assistant under Jim Calhoun at Connecticut.
DePaul finished 12-20 (6-12 Big East) this season, leading to Oliver Purnell's resignation earlier this month.
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If Leitao passes does DePaul bring Wainwright out of retirement?
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If Leitao passes does DePaul bring Wainwright out of retirement?
How about this: If DePaul can bring back Leitao after jumping to Va., then MU is totally justified to bring back Buzzster after jumping to Va. Tech. It would sure make 8 people on this board ecstatic, and they know who they are!
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If they pass on Drew and/or Hurley for Leitao, kick them out of the BE.
Report: Hurley wants DePaul job ‘badly’
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/ub-mens-basketball/report-hurley-wants-depaul-job-badly-20150328
The University at Buffalo was in a wait-and-see mode this weekend as the pursuit of men’s basketball coach Bobby Hurley heated up and the college basketball coaching moves continued.
DePaul University has strong interest in Hurley, and the UB coach was seen in Chicago’s O’Hare Airport on Saturday.
The Chicago Tribune reported that Valparaiso coach Bryce Drew and Hurley each want the DePaul men’s basketball job “badly,” according to a source. Hurley was scheduled to interview on Saturday and Drew on Sunday, according to the Tribune’s sources.
The two are considered the top two targets in the search that began after Oliver Purnell resigned earlier this month after five seasons.
DePaul has been a loser for eight straight seasons. However, the school is in the Big East Conference, rated No. 2 in the nation. And the Blue Demons have a track record of paying top dollar. Purnell was receiving a salary of $2.2 million from DePaul.
UB was hoping to lock up Hurley to a renegotiated deal earlier this week, but he opted to see what opportunities were available.
UB has made Hurley its best offer and is not in any further contract negotiations with the coach. UB has offered to increase his salary from $300,000 a year (not counting incentives) to somewhere higher than $550,000. That would make Hurley the highest-paid coach in the Mid-American Conference.
Drew has coached Valparaiso the last four seasons and taken that team to the NCAA Tournament twice.
Meanwhile, other high-profile coaching jobs continue to open, which could create more opportunities for Hurley. St. John’s fired coach Steve Lavin on Friday. There has been speculation that St. John’s could pursue Hurley if it does not first pursue his younger brother, Dan, the coach at Rhode Island.
Elsewhere, Texas on Saturday fired coach Rick Barnes, which could have a ripple effect to other schools. Arizona State is among the other high-profile jobs open.
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Boy, B. Hurley better land another job, because I don't see he can go back to Buffalo with any credibility anymore when it's clear and public knowledge now that he wants to move up.
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Boy, B. Hurley better land another job, because I don't see he can go back to Buffalo with any credibility anymore when it's clear and public knowledge now that he wants to move up.
Don't you think everyone associated with Buffalo already knows this?
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Don't you think everyone associated with Buffalo already knows this?
Of course, but now recruits, parents of recruits, other schools competing against him for players, etc. know it as well.
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@prepbullseye: Hearing Bryce Drew declined DePaul's initial offer. Bobby Hurley mustn't have been offered at all based on my prior intel. What happens now?
My guess is Drew is the top target but wants DePaul to prove their commitment to the program. Hate hearing Leitao's name. Bad sign if they go back to their own retreads.
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@prepbullseye: Hearing Bryce Drew declined DePaul's initial offer. Bobby Hurley mustn't have been offered at all based on my prior intel. What happens now?
My guess is Drew is the top target but wants DePaul to prove their commitment to the program. Hate hearing Leitao's name. Bad sign if they go back to their own retreads.
Man, how low is DePaul if they have to beg a guy like Byrce Drew to take the job?
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Leitao is not a good name to hear if you're a DePaul fan.
Doesn't sound energetic. at. all.
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Man, how low is DePaul if they have to beg a guy like Byrce Drew to take the job?
I'm sure they are offering enough. DePaul can probably sextuple his salary without blinking. The new arena is another nice carrot, but what about recruiting resources, ability to hire top assistants, updated on-campus facilities, and other financial commitments that will ensure the coach can be successful, not just wealthy? If I had to guess, I'd say that's probably the hang-up. JLP seems to think she can just plug someone into the job and ignore men's basketball. Someone like Drew is smart enough to know that he'll need administration to continually back him, not just sign his checks, if he wants to succeed.
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Man, how low is DePaul if they have to beg a guy like Byrce Drew to take the job?
I'm sure that Crean demanded and received the same type commitments from Wild and Cords. Drew would be nuts not to be concerned.
He will be in demand next year too. If he signs a 4 year deal at DPU with no upgrade in commitment, he's stuck. Wait a year for a real opportunity.
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Andy Katz reporting DePaul is working out a deal with Dave Leitao and barring hiccups, he will return as head coach :o
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https://twitter.com/espnandykatz/status/582242702667980800
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Is this grounds to dismiss DePaul from the conference?
https://twitter.com/espnandykatz/status/582242702667980800
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https://twitter.com/espnandykatz/status/582242702667980800
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DePaul University everybody, still the problem child of the Big East
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If it's true that Hurley and Drew were interested, this is an even worse hire. I'm shocked. Although it's DePaul, so ineptitude should be expected.
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If this is somebody's joke, it ain't funny...
JLP strikes again.
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Here's what I suspect...
It was reported that Bryce Drew turned down the initial DePaul offer. I don't think it was money, so what else? Well, Marcus LoVett is on campus this weekend. Billy Garrett Sr is handling his recruitment.
Supposedly DePaul feels they have a lot at stake with LoVett. If Drew wanted all his own assistants, DePaul might lose not only Garrett Sr, but Garrett Jr and LoVett.
So instead, they hire Leitao, who they already know on past history will put up with their crap, he keeps Garrett, they keep their roster and prized recruit (not that LoVett is much of a prize).
That's my guess.
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Here's what I suspect...
It was reported that Bryce Drew turned down the initial DePaul offer. I don't think it was money, so what else? Well, Marcus LoVett is on campus this weekend. Billy Garrett Sr is handling his recruitment.
Supposedly DePaul feels they have a lot at stake with LoVett. If Drew wanted all his own assistants, DePaul might lose not only Garrett Sr, but Garrett Jr and LoVett.
So instead, they hire Leitao, who they already know on past history will put up with their crap, he keeps Garrett, they keep their roster and prized recruit (not that LoVett is much of a prize).
That's my guess.
That's quite the theory. Wanna hear mine? JLP sucks at her job.
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That's quite the theory. Wanna hear mine? JLP sucks at her job.
I think you are both right.
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Here's what I suspect...
It was reported that Bryce Drew turned down the initial DePaul offer. I don't think it was money, so what else? Well, Marcus LoVett is on campus this weekend. Billy Garrett Sr is handling his recruitment.
Supposedly DePaul feels they have a lot at stake with LoVett. If Drew wanted all his own assistants, DePaul might lose not only Garrett Sr, but Garrett Jr and LoVett.
So instead, they hire Leitao, who they already know on past history will put up with their crap, he keeps Garrett, they keep their roster and prized recruit (not that LoVett is much of a prize).
That's my guess.
If this is true, very short-sighted by DePaul IMO. Although, I guess for a program that has not been relevant in years, grasping at straws is what they fall back to. Strange, when Hurley is available.
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Here's what I suspect...
It was reported that Bryce Drew turned down the initial DePaul offer. I don't think it was money, so what else? Well, Marcus LoVett is on campus this weekend. Billy Garrett Sr is handling his recruitment.
Supposedly DePaul feels they have a lot at stake with LoVett. If Drew wanted all his own assistants, DePaul might lose not only Garrett Sr, but Garrett Jr and LoVett.
So instead, they hire Leitao, who they already know on past history will put up with their crap, he keeps Garrett, they keep their roster and prized recruit (not that LoVett is much of a prize).
That's my guess.
And it's reasons like this, if true, why DePaul will never be successful under current leadership. You don't make decisions regarding your program based on one player, one recruit, one assistant coach. You make decisions that is in the best interest for your program.
Last year, after Buzz left, there was very real concern that guys like Duane, JJJ, Mayo, Taylor, Hill, Shayok, Pierce, et all would leave. However, we all knew that they new coach would bring in players that were best for the program, whether they were on the team or not. Wojo definitely lost alot of players in the last 12 months, but I think we can all agree that we are better off today than we were 12 months ago.
The good news is that we will continue to have great shot at going 2-0 against DePaul with regularity in the future.
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Here's what I suspect...
It was reported that Bryce Drew turned down the initial DePaul offer. I don't think it was money, so what else? Well, Marcus LoVett is on campus this weekend. Billy Garrett Sr is handling his recruitment.
Supposedly DePaul feels they have a lot at stake with LoVett. If Drew wanted all his own assistants, DePaul might lose not only Garrett Sr, but Garrett Jr and LoVett.
So instead, they hire Leitao, who they already know on past history will put up with their crap, he keeps Garrett, they keep their roster and prized recruit (not that LoVett is much of a prize).
That's my guess.
That might be true, but if that's the case, why fire Purnell?
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DePaul is an embarrassment to the league. I guess every conference needs some bottom-feeders though
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To quote F. Scott Fitzgerald:
It is sadder to find the past again and find it inadequate to the present than it is to have it elude you and remain forever a harmonious conception of memory.
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A new coach puts JLP's leadership at risk. Solution: Hire an old coach who isn't named Meyer.
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That might be true, but if that's the case, why fire Purnell?
Two reasons. First, results weren't good enough to justify keeping him. Second, they thought they could get someone young to energize the program that wouldn't upset the applecart. Their last two hires were pushovers in Purnell and Wainright, probably figured they could find another pushover.
Basically, what ChitownJuan said: JLP sucks at her job.
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If this is somebody's joke, it ain't funny...
JLP strikes again.
They have a guarantee on attendance in the new arena...this ain't going to help ticket sales. DePaul drew all season (16 games) what MU drew in two (2) big games.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20150302/BLOGS04/150229828/depaul-hoops-attendance-up-but-way-below-mcpier-projections
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If they pass on Drew and/or Hurley for Leitao, kick them out of the BE.
Report: Hurley wants DePaul job ‘badly’
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/ub-mens-basketball/report-hurley-wants-depaul-job-badly-20150328
The University at Buffalo was in a wait-and-see mode this weekend as the pursuit of men’s basketball coach Bobby Hurley heated up and the college basketball coaching moves continued.
DePaul University has strong interest in Hurley, and the UB coach was seen in Chicago’s O’Hare Airport on Saturday.
The Chicago Tribune reported that Valparaiso coach Bryce Drew and Hurley each want the DePaul men’s basketball job “badly,” according to a source. Hurley was scheduled to interview on Saturday and Drew on Sunday, according to the Tribune’s sources.
The two are considered the top two targets in the search that began after Oliver Purnell resigned earlier this month after five seasons.
DePaul has been a loser for eight straight seasons. However, the school is in the Big East Conference, rated No. 2 in the nation. And the Blue Demons have a track record of paying top dollar. Purnell was receiving a salary of $2.2 million from DePaul.
UB was hoping to lock up Hurley to a renegotiated deal earlier this week, but he opted to see what opportunities were available.
UB has made Hurley its best offer and is not in any further contract negotiations with the coach. UB has offered to increase his salary from $300,000 a year (not counting incentives) to somewhere higher than $550,000. That would make Hurley the highest-paid coach in the Mid-American Conference.
Drew has coached Valparaiso the last four seasons and taken that team to the NCAA Tournament twice.
Meanwhile, other high-profile coaching jobs continue to open, which could create more opportunities for Hurley. St. John’s fired coach Steve Lavin on Friday. There has been speculation that St. John’s could pursue Hurley if it does not first pursue his younger brother, Dan, the coach at Rhode Island.
Elsewhere, Texas on Saturday fired coach Rick Barnes, which could have a ripple effect to other schools. Arizona State is among the other high-profile jobs open.
Bryce has no sources, that statement is completely false. If he badly wanted it, he would have taken it.
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Bryce has no sources, that statement is completely false. If he badly wanted it, he would have taken it.
Not if DePaul was going to dictate who his staff was and how he would run his program. Not really his program if he isn't in charge of it.
I suspect both wanted the job, but only as long as DePaul was willing to let them actually be in control of the program. You know...like how every other major program does things?
That's why fewer college coaches are making the jump to the NBA, because in college, you not only get excellent money, the coach is also the guy in charge. In the NBA, it's the owner, GM, president, best player, second best player, then maybe if you're lucky, the coach.
Clearly DePaul doesn't understand that in order to make a quality hire, you have to actually hire someone to do the job, not just give them paychecks and tell them what you want done.
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At the risk of derailing this thread, I have to say the DePaul situation makes me appreciate Crean a little more.
He deserves to be ripped on for plenty of stuff... but I was on campus when he arrived. The dude was a workhorse and refused to take "no" for an answer. He worked very hard at getting students excited about the team and tried to build energy for the program. He brought a lot of energy and a big time feel to the program. I doubted him for 2 years and laughed at his schtick... but he was right. We COULD sell out the BC, and MU could land big recruits. Never thought I'd see that happen after sitting through some of the Mike Deane era.
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It's a #DoneDeal, Dave Leitao to coach Depaul. What a freaking joke...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25127887/dave-leitao-to-coach-depaul-again
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Not if DePaul was going to dictate who his staff was and how he would run his program. Not really his program if he isn't in charge of it.
I suspect both wanted the job, but only as long as DePaul was willing to let them actually be in control of the program. You know...like how every other major program does things?
That's why fewer college coaches are making the jump to the NBA, because in college, you not only get excellent money, the coach is also the guy in charge. In the NBA, it's the owner, GM, president, best player, second best player, then maybe if you're lucky, the coach.
Clearly DePaul doesn't understand that in order to make a quality hire, you have to actually hire someone to do the job, not just give them paychecks and tell them what you want done.
This is an uninspiring hire by Depaul to say the very least, but really, we have no idea why Hurley or Drew didn't want/get the job.
Could be that, for whatever insane reason, JLP preferred Leitao. The rest about DePaul not letting the coach pick his assistant, denying him control, etc., is really just speculation.
I don't think Purnell would have left Clemson for DePaul under those circumstances, so I'd be surprised if they were in place now.
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This is an uninspiring hire by Depaul to say the very least, but really, we have no idea why Hurley or Drew didn't want/get the job.
Could be that, for whatever insane reason, JLP preferred Leitao. The rest about DePaul not letting the coach pick his assistant, denying him control, etc., is really just speculation.
I don't think Purnell would have left Clemson for DePaul under those circumstances, so I'd be surprised if they were in place now.
Roy Schmidt tweeted earlier this week that LoVett would be on campus and indicated the new coach would have an impact on his recruitment. He then tweeted this out today:
OK--others won't say it but one thing Leitao's hiring is all about: improving DePaul's chances of landing a certain prized 2015 recruit.
Later, he tweeted this...
Never said Leitao is tied to any recruit but one of the current DePaul assistants who he is likely to retain is.
I know that Garrett Sr was handling LoVett's recruitment. LoVett is the top available Illinois prospect for 2015 and on campus this weekend. It's obvious that he's talking about LoVett. Also obvious that Leitao is willing to keep Garrett.
Further, Drew makes about $300K. He reportedly wanted the DePaul job bad. Why? They would probably start him around $2M. New arena coming, it was a dream situation for him. Same goes for Hurley, who was slated to make $550K if he returned to Buffalo.
But neither took the job. Why not? Well, as mentioned above, DePaul wants a certain recruit, and they need a certain assistant to land that recruit. I'll admit some speculation, but those are some pretty easy looking dots to connect.
Now imagine if they still don't land LoVett. DePaul could really be left looking bad out of this. Well, I suppose that goes without saying, but much worse than they do now, especially if Leitao doesn't bring them back to prominence.
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As I was saying:
Shannon Ryan @sryantribune
Both Hurley and especially Drew wanted the DePaul job badly, sources say. Blue Demons made surprise move and offered former coach Leitao.
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But neither took the job. Why not? Well, as mentioned above, DePaul wants a certain recruit, and they need a certain assistant to land that recruit. I'll admit some speculation, but those are some pretty easy looking dots to connect.
Now imagine if they still don't land LoVett. DePaul could really be left looking bad out of this. Well, I suppose that goes without saying, but much worse than they do now, especially if Leitao doesn't bring them back to prominence.
Why are you assuming the job was Hurley's or Drew's to take? There's zero evidence of that.
It's way more plausible that JLP went with someone with whom she was familiar and who had a modicum of success at DePaul, rather than hired who she believed to be a lesser candidate for the sake of a single borderline top 100 recruit. It's even more likely that JLP couldn't pick Marcus Lovett from out of a crowd than she is to be making coaching decisions based on him.
Again, it's a lame hire, but I'm not buying the conspiracy theory.
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So, they make this hire in some regards based upon a possible commitment from the 92nd ranked 2015 recruit? Maybe if it was Jaylen Brown, Malik Neuman or Thon Maker or combination of some. But Lovett? Something is wrong with that, even to be considered in the hiring if true.
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Why are you assuming the job was Hurley's or Drew's to take? There's zero evidence of that.
It's way more plausible that JLP went with someone with whom she was familiar and who had a modicum of success at DePaul, rather than hired who she believed to be a lesser candidate for the sake of a single borderline top 100 recruit. It's even more likely that JLP couldn't pick Marcus Lovett from out of a crowd than she is to be making coaching decisions based on him.
Again, it's a lame hire, but I'm not buying the conspiracy theory.
WSCR, WBBM, Roy Schmidt all reported that Drew turned down DePaul's initial offer. Drew absolutely could have had the job. Also been reported that they came back with a counter-offer which he turned down.
Numerous reports as well that Hurley turned them down. It's not the money. These guys were making 25% or less what Purnell was making. It has to be something else. What, if not the Garrett thing that Schmidt is reporting?
Not everyone like Roy and Harv, but when it comes to Illinois hoops, they are usually right.
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As I was saying:
Shannon Ryan @sryantribune
Both Hurley and especially Drew wanted the DePaul job badly, sources say. Blue Demons made surprise move and offered former coach Leitao.
Ryan reported that an hour ago.
Four hours ago, WBBM reported that DePaul had upped their offer after Drew initially turned them down. Three hours ago, Schmidt reported that Drew declined them as well. The job was Drew's for the taking. It was before they took a left turn and went retread.
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Roy Schmidt tweeted earlier this week that LoVett would be on campus and indicated the new coach would have an impact on his recruitment. He then tweeted this out today:
Later, he tweeted this...
I know that Garrett Sr was handling LoVett's recruitment. LoVett is the top available Illinois prospect for 2015 and on campus this weekend. It's obvious that he's talking about LoVett. Also obvious that Leitao is willing to keep Garrett.
Further, Drew makes about $300K. He reportedly wanted the DePaul job bad. Why? They would probably start him around $2M. New arena coming, it was a dream situation for him. Same goes for Hurley, who was slated to make $550K if he returned to Buffalo.
But neither took the job. Why not? Well, as mentioned above, DePaul wants a certain recruit, and they need a certain assistant to land that recruit. I'll admit some speculation, but those are some pretty easy looking dots to connect.
Now imagine if they still don't land LoVett. DePaul could really be left looking bad out of this. Well, I suppose that goes without saying, but much worse than they do now, especially if Leitao doesn't bring them back to prominence.
There is no way DePaul is offering $2 million to these guys. If so, collect the cash!!!
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WSCR, WBBM, Roy Schmidt all reported that Drew turned down DePaul's initial offer. Drew absolutely could have had the job. Also been reported that they came back with a counter-offer which he turned down.
Numerous reports as well that Hurley turned them down. It's not the money. These guys were making 25% or less what Purnell was making. It has to be something else. What, if not the Garrett thing that Schmidt is reporting?
Not everyone like Roy and Harv, but when it comes to Illinois hoops, they are usually right.
Plenty of others - Tribune, Sun-Times - have said Hurley and Drew wanted to job. I follow the Schmidt's on Twitter, too. Let's sjust way they're not averse to positing conspiracy theories.
You're free to believe what you want, but I'm sticking with Occam's razor here.
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If Garrett sticks, there's going to be a ton of stink on this.
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If Garrett sticks, there's going to be a ton of stink on this.
Wouldn't be the first time a coach kept an assistant coach from the previous staff, especially one with recruiting ties (i.e. Bruce Weber kept Wayne McClain after Bill Self bolted for Kansas).
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So Chicos, does the five year rule need to be continuous?
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Hopefully he makes Drake Diener an assistant.
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DePaul's Hiroshima continues.
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So Chicos, does the five year rule need to be continuous?
Great question.
I'm in car heading to Tahoe to ski and the sports show I am listening to is beside themselves with this hire. Not sure what to make of it. Certainly counter to what one would think. Has some strong Chicago ties from last go around? Interesting, but certainly screams they couldn't get anyone.
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Great question.
I'm in car heading to Tahoe to ski and the sports show I am listening to is beside themselves with this hire. Not sure what to make of it. Certainly counter to what one would think. Has some strong Chicago ties from last go around? Interesting, but certainly screams they couldn't get anyone.
As I recall, his Chicago recruiting wasn't all that stellar. Most of his best recruits (Meija, Chandler, Burns) came from out of state.
His best Chicago recruit may have been the very large Wesley Green, who he may or may not have swiped from MU, depending which story you believe.
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This is not just a bad hire, it's embarrassing. He was marginally successful when he was there and not at all after he left. It's borderline unbelievable. Holy Cross made a better hire with Bill Carmody!!
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It's really worth going to the @DePaulAthletics Twitter feed and looking at the reaction. Every single response is negative, and numerous boosters saying they planned to donate with the announcement, but will not give the university another cent until JLP is fired. Just disgraceful by DePaul.
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Great question.
I'm in car heading to Tahoe to ski and the sports show I am listening to is beside themselves with this hire. Not sure what to make of it. Certainly counter to what one would think. Has some strong Chicago ties from last go around? Interesting, but certainly screams they couldn't get anyone.
Pick up trucks have radios? Go figure, hey? ;D
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DePaul's Hiroshima continues.
"DePaul rehires Dave Leitao"
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@prepbullseye: Hearing Bryce Drew declined DePaul's initial offer. Bobby Hurley mustn't have been offered at all based on my prior intel. What happens now?
My guess is Drew is the top target but wants DePaul to prove their commitment to the program. Hate hearing Leitao's name. Bad sign if they go back to their own retreads.
Leitao isn't a DePaul retread, he decided to leave there to move up, Leitao is a Virginia retread, however.
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Is this grounds to dismiss DePaul from the conference?
The last time I can remember thinking that Marquette would be lucky to win against DePaul, Leitao was DePaul's head coach.
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That's the problem, Murray. Short term memory is the first to go, ai na?
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That's the problem, Murray. Short term memory is the first to go, ai na?
You were sweating out the DePaul games this year? I was surprised that we lost at DePaul in the Big East opener.
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The last time I can remember thinking that Marquette would be lucky to win against DePaul, Leitao was DePaul's head coach.
"You can never step in the same river twice"
We had a lot of success with KO - it doesn't mean it would have been a good idea to rehire him.
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"You can never step in the same river twice"
We had a lot of success with KO - it doesn't mean it would have been a good idea to rehire him.
Rehiring Kev may have been our very best option, if Jean Lenti-Ponsetto had been our athletic director. With Lenti-Ponsetto there, DePaul's options were limited. Someone has to keep the HC's seat warm until Lenti-Ponsetto's contract extension runs its course.
Will Leitao lift DePaul into the top echelon of the Big East? No, but it will keep them from finishing in the basement 80% of the time.
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Rehiring Kev may have been our very best option, if Jean Lenti-Ponsetto had been our athletic director. With Lenti-Ponsetto there, DePaul's options were limited. Someone has to keep the HC's seat warm until Lenti-Ponsetto's contract extension runs its course.
Which proves that this may be cause for dimissal right? This is a basketball conference.
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Which proves that this may be cause for dimissal right? This is a basketball conference.
From your post to God's the DePaul BOT's collective ears. Truth be told, though, there's likely a lot of wax in those ears yet.
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Someone needs to send them a message. Too bad I'm not more influential.
From your post to God's the DePaul BOT's collective ears. Truth be told, though, there's likely a lot of wax in those ears yet.
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From your post to God's the DePaul BOT's collective ears. Truth be told, though, there's likely a lot of wax in those ears yet.
When is the presentation for the next AD of the Year award they're arranging for her to win?
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Here in Chicago, the hire is being universally panned and mocked, with JLP being front and center. The fact that the university spent significant $$$ on a search firm to help them find the right candidate (the exact same search firm that recommended Oliver Purnell several years ago) and went against their recommendations (Hurley and Drew were chosen as top candidates) is comically sad.
The sad reality is the JLP has a job at DePaul for life. She is so entrenched with DePaul and its current leadership that she will be there for a long time. But the good news folks is that the women's programs at DePaul, as well as the academic results by student-athletes, are both doing very well.
DePaul could not care less about Mens Basketball.
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How is Leitao an upgrade over Purnell?
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How is Leitao an upgrade over Purnell?
A 63% winning % at DePaul three postseason tournaments in three years at DePaul.
From the Chicago Tribune:
Leitao was 58-34 overall and 30-18 in Conference USA in three seasons as DePaul's coach from 2002-05. He led the Blue Demons to two NIT tournaments and their last NCAA tournament appearance in 2004.
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A 63% winning % at DePaul three postseason tournaments in three years at DePaul.
From the Chicago Tribune:
Leitao was 58-34 overall and 30-18 in Conference USA in three seasons as DePaul's coach from 2002-05. He led the Blue Demons to two NIT tournaments and their last NCAA tournament appearance in 2004.
I think bringing him back was/is a terrible idea, but there's no denying he had at least a decent run at DePaul. A good job, even, in the context of what happened before and after him.
Not only did he win some games (and Conference USA one year), he brought in some legitimate talent fans could get excited about, i.e. Sammy Meija, Wilson Chandler.
Way, way better than Purnell.
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Since DePaul has joined the Big East, the Blue Demons are 114-200 (.363%). Their Big East record is 36-137 (.208%). They have yet to make the NCAA tournament, and they have one NIT appearance. They have one winning season since joining the conference.
List all the accomplishments you can about Dave Leitao while he was head coach at DePaul. Fact is, he was there when we (Marquette included) were all still in Conference USA - which means his teams had to beat East Carolina, Tulane, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, USF, UAB and UNC-Charlotte. The difference is, thanks to Tom Crean and Dwayne Wade, we made that Final Four run in 2003 - something that catapulted us into the Big East. He, and DePaul have done nothing of consequence in men's basketball since the 1980's. The only reason DePaul was invited to the Big East was because of the Chicago market - not due to on court success.
Part of the opening plugs that DePaul has released today promoting Leitao and his hire was the fact that he successfully recruited Wilson Chandler, Sammy Meijia and Dorrell Wright to school. Dorrell Wright - a player that did not play a single minute of basketball at DePaul University. "Wright signed his NLI with DePaul, but elected to enter the 2004 draft and he was the 19th overall selection by the Miami Heat." The university and athletic department are literally turning over stone after stone to justify the re-hiring of Leitao and create excitement for the program.
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Jon Greenberg, ESPN Chicago
HICAGO -- On Sunday afternoon, DePaul managed to do the impossible: It made news during an Elite Eight game.
Sure, it was people on Twitter making fun of its recycled hire of Dave Leitao to coach the men’s basketball program.
It makes sense. Few pay attention to DePaul outside of its farcical coaching searches and arena updates.
The program is so far below the radar in Chicago, none of the media outlets has a regular beat writer covering what is arguably one of the top college basketball programs in the Chicago and/or Rosemont area.
I’m told The DePaulia, the school paper, still covers the team.
Leitao left a plum gig as an assistant at, um, the University of Tulsa, to return to DePaul.
Jerry Wainwright and Oliver Purnell had career-ending stints with the Blue Demons, and now it’s back to Leitao to resurrect the program.
Everyone wanted DePaul to zig and hire a “young” successful coach to breathe life into the stagnant program. With a new downtown arena supposedly opening for the 2017-18 season, it seemed like a good time for the change.
So, of course, DePaul zagged.
Did DePaul pick Leitao over the likes of rising coaches Bobby Hurley and Bryce Drew? Or did the up-and-comers turn down the program? I’ve heard conflicting stories. Both scenarios make sense. Those guys can get better jobs and athletic director Jean Lenti Ponsetto is known for making head-scratching decisions, including using a search firm for this hire.
How will this decision play out? Who knows? A local high school coach laughed on the phone when I called him about Purnell’s hiring five years ago.
From what I've heard, local coaches never took to Leitao, who came from UConn. He didn't make inroads in the city and that hurt the program, preceding Lenti Ponsetto's bad coaching hires.
Before you make the joke, yes, Pat Kennedy was available. His two-year stint at Pace University just ended this month. Next stop for Kennedy, who went from DePaul to Montana to Towson to Pace, is coaching the old cast of “Hang Time.”
At least Kennedy knew how to recruit Chicago. While I thought Hurley would be a good choice because he could land players from the East Coast and Chicago.
Leitao's résumé is good ... for DePaul. He is the last coach to have success at DePaul, fleeing to the University of Virginia before the school made a wholly unsuccessful move from Conference USA to the Big East.
He went 58-34, 30-18 in conference during three years with DePaul. He even won an NCAA tournament game in 2004. But that was Conference USA. He had one good year at Virginia, and after getting fired in 2009, has been a D-League coach and an assistant for Missouri and Tulsa.
“I underestimated what a special place DePaul University and the city of Chicago are when I left here in 2005,” are words attributed to Leitao in the school’s press release.
As are these: “The dedication and support here to the growth of student success is second to none, not only for a basketball program but also for the entire student body. I’m proud and our team will be proud to represent this great institution in one of the world’s great cities. We will exude the work ethic that drives Chicago and the region every day and look forward to everyone joining us next season.”
The press release was so uninspiring, it included a mention that Dorell Wright signed a letter of intent to go to DePaul under Leitao, before going right to the NBA. So they're bragging about guys who didn't go to school under him?
It also included a long quote from women's coach Doug Bruno. I guess they had space to fill?
Old is new again at DePaul, a program that is forever living in the past and never realizing that future.
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Look for JLP to take a leave of absence or step down - and not for reasons relating to this hire.
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This is mind blowingly uninspired. What an utter joke. My god. DePaul is such an embarrassment.
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The last time I can remember thinking that Marquette would be lucky to win against DePaul, Leitao was DePaul's head coach.
This seems a weird feeling.
Marquette has never had much trouble dispensing DePaul in any generation, much less Leitao's time. I can only remember one game in 2004 they won. Perhaps he had another? Nowhere near a scary proposition beating Leitao's Demons.
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This seems a weird feeling.
Marquette has never had much trouble dispensing DePaul in any generation, much less Leitao's time. I can only remember one game in 2004 they won. Perhaps he had another? Nowhere near a scary proposition beating Leitao's Demons.
Leitao went 2-4 vs Marquette.
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2002-03 DePaul had a 67 RPI 1st in CUSA; the following season 35, fourth in CUSA.
2003-03 Marquette had an 8 RPI, following season 75.
They were pretty decent back then. And I think post-Wade era and the world of Marcus "Point Guard" Jackson (04-05) were just scary times when winning was no longer a given as it was in '03.
Leito's best season happened to coincide with Marquette's best recent year. In retrospect, it appears that everyone sucked because we were really good.
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Anyone watching the Leitao press conference? JLP is freaking awful...
http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/collegesportslive/?media=493773
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Looks like Barnes is going to Tenn. That was fast.
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The DePaul press conference is seriously one of the saddest things I've ever seen. Some highlights...
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- Jean Lenti-Ponsetto, when talking about why they hired Leitao, said he beat some good coaches, started listing names of old coaches in C-USA and the ACC. Crean, Huggins, Calipari, Pitino, K, Williams, Brey...it was laughable.
- "Dave Leitao was our number one choice." Hmm...then why did they make two offers to Bryce Drew before hiring Leitao?
- JLP "He's friends with lots of Big East coaches." That's a reason for hiring someone? Because they are friends with the competition? Umm...okay.
- JLP "Two former players sent me emails and had nice things to say (about Leitao)."
- Leitao said when he left, he told JLP he was going on vacation for 10. She thought he meant days, but he meant years. Okay, that was kind of funny.
- JLP diminished the importance of fundraising and facilities. Probably a good thing, since this hire drove a ton of donors away from the program.
- Leitao: "Ultimate goal is to get back in the NCAA Tournament, and we will get there and win and keep winning." I'll believe that when I see it.
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The DePaul press conference is seriously one of the saddest things I've ever seen. Some highlights...
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- Jean Lenti-Ponsetto, when talking about why they hired Leitao, said he beat some good coaches, started listing names of old coaches in C-USA and the ACC. Crean, Huggins, Calipari, Pitino, K, Williams, Brey...it was laughable.
- "Dave Leitao was our number one choice." Hmm...then why did they make two offers to Bryce Drew before hiring Leitao?
- JLP "He's friends with lots of Big East coaches." That's a reason for hiring someone? Because they are friends with the competition? Umm...okay.
- JLP "Two former players sent me emails and had nice things to say (about Leitao)."
- Leitao said when he left, he told JLP he was going on vacation for 10. She thought he meant days, but he meant years. Okay, that was kind of funny.
- JLP diminished the importance of fundraising and facilities. Probably a good thing, since this hire drove a ton of donors away from the program.
- Leitao: "Ultimate goal is to get back in the NCAA Tournament, and we will get there and win and keep winning." I'll believe that when I see it.
JLP also listed the top 3 things important to DePaul Athletics. Winning was not one of them.
This is one of the funniest conferences I have ever seen. A reporter just asked a question at JLP and an assistant said she is not taking questions at this time.
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The DePaul press conference is seriously one of the saddest things I've ever seen. Some highlights...
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- Jean Lenti-Ponsetto, when talking about why they hired Leitao, said he beat some good coaches, started listing names of old coaches in C-USA and the ACC. Crean, Huggins, Calipari, Pitino, K, Williams, Brey...it was laughable.
- "Dave Leitao was our number one choice." Hmm...then why did they make two offers to Bryce Drew before hiring Leitao?
- JLP "He's friends with lots of Big East coaches." That's a reason for hiring someone? Because they are friends with the competition? Umm...okay.
- Leitao said when he left, he told JLP he was going on vacation for 10. She thought he meant days, but he meant years. Okay, that was kind of funny.
- JLP diminished the importance of fundraising and facilities. Probably a good thing, since this hire drove a ton of donors away from the program.
- Leitao: "Ultimate goal is to get back in the NCAA Tournament, and we will get there and win and keep winning." I'll believe that when I see it.
Living proof DePaul does not give a rat's backside about basketball. Maybe it is time the Big East dump DePaul and add St. Louis or Dayton. At least they care. Point by point on JPL's press conference:
1) The University of Nebraska Omaha head coach beat us too! Does that make him Big East material? I think not. Winning consistently makes you a Big East coach. Wnning surprisingly doesn't. Jean, do you know the difference?
2) Depends on what she means by "Number 1 choice." If it means the number 1 choice who would accept the job, OK. If it means the number one choice who would put up with low salary, crappy condiitions and no budget, then Leito was her number one choice.
3) "Friemds with lots of Big East coaches?" Gee, if that's all it takes to be a Division 1 basketball head coach, let's all start befriending. Think of what we could do to our family incomes.
4) Diminished the importance of fundraising and facilities. Yo, Jean, come to Milwaukee. Compare our performance over the past 10 years to your's. Ask yourself if fundraising and facilities matters as you tour the Al Center! While you are at it, take a trip to any other relevant D1 basketball progra,
5) "Get back to the NCAA Tournament." Are you referring to Doug Bruno and next year's women's teams? Because that's your only hope of getting there!
A tragedy. Just plain tragedy. Glad DePaul's women's team is doing well, but geez Jean, wake up!
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Roy Schmidt @prepbullseye
Should he come aboard, Tom Kleinschmidt would be invaluable addition to DePaul coaching staff. Would open new doors to recruiting & more.
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He'll be teachin' the pick and roll, ai na?
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Roy Schmidt @prepbullseye
Should he come aboard, Tom Kleinschmidt would be invaluable addition to DePaul coaching staff. Would open new doors to recruiting & more.
Did really good things with York when he was with him and Gordon Tech too. Good friends with my dad, I know high school to college ranks doesnt always go smoothly but he may have been a better choice than Leitao.
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Did really good things with York when he was with him and Gordon Tech too. Good friends with my dad, I know high school to college ranks doesnt always go smoothly but he may have been a better choice than Leitao.
Well it is DePaul College Prep now-a-days...
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Well it is DePaul College Prep now-a-days...
Christ, since when? Did not even realize that was a thing.
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Christ, since when? Did not even realize that was a thing.
Last summer
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Christ, since when? Did not even realize that was a thing.
Yeah, I always forget that. I think I saw something 6 months ago and was equally surprised.
Maybe it's part of JLP's Master Plan.
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My daughter's first V-Ball game of the fall was against DePaul Prep; was surprised at the time--didn't seem to be much fanfare.
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So a big part of hiring Dave Leitao was supposedly helping DePaul land coveted Chicago PG Marcus LoVett Jr. LoVett was visiting DePaul the weekend Leitao was hired and the coach hire was supposed to seal the deal.
I'll be the first to say that you should NEVER hire a coach for one recruit, but even worse is when you hire a coach for one recruit and LOSE THE RECRUIT ANYWAY!!!
Marcus LoVett signed his NLI with St. John's last night. Classic DePaul...
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So a big part of hiring Dave Leitao was supposedly helping DePaul land coveted Chicago PG Marcus LoVett Jr. LoVett was visiting DePaul the weekend Leitao was hired and the coach hire was supposed to seal the deal.
I'll be the first to say that you should NEVER hire a coach for one recruit, but even worse is when you hire a coach for one recruit and LOSE THE RECRUIT ANYWAY!!!
Marcus LoVett signed his NLI with St. John's last night. Classic DePaul...
I think that part of the difficulty in hiring Drew or Hurley was that DePaul was dictating to them that they would have to retain Billy Garrett's dad as an assistant coach, so that DePaul wouldn't lose its best player. So hiring Leitao at least accomplished that.
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I think that part of the difficulty in hiring Drew or Hurley was that DePaul was dictating to them that they would have to retain Billy Garrett's dad as an assistant coach, so that DePaul wouldn't lose its best player. So hiring Leitao at least accomplished that.
Retaining Billy Garrett Sr was definitely a priority, but the two main reasons for retaining him were keeping Billy Jr on the roster and landing Marcus LoVett. The buzz from Chicago was that DePaul really thought they'd land either Drew or Hurley and LoVett all in the same weekend. Instead, both said no to the job because Sr would be forced on them, Leitao was willing to agree to anything, and in all the chaos, LoVett leaves without committing, then two months later picks St. John's.
It was keeping Garrett Sr as well, but the reason to keep him was for his supposed Chicago recruiting prowess that would reel in top local players like LoVett. Just DePaul's luck, Chicago recruiting looks to be down for both 2016 and 2017, so the guy they made such a fuss to keep will likely have an uphill battle earning his paycheck the next 3 years (after already missing the top Chicago 2015s).
Dumb, dumb DePaul.
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Sleeping Giant
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Retaining Billy Garrett Sr was definitely a priority, but the two main reasons for retaining him were keeping Billy Jr on the roster and landing Marcus LoVett. The buzz from Chicago was that DePaul really thought they'd land either Drew or Hurley and LoVett all in the same weekend. Instead, both said no to the job because Sr would be forced on them, Leitao was willing to agree to anything, and in all the chaos, LoVett leaves without committing, then two months later picks St. John's.
It was keeping Garrett Sr as well, but the reason to keep him was for his supposed Chicago recruiting prowess that would reel in top local players like LoVett. Just DePaul's luck, Chicago recruiting looks to be down for both 2016 and 2017, so the guy they made such a fuss to keep will likely have an uphill battle earning his paycheck the next 3 years (after already missing the top Chicago 2015s).
Dumb, dumb DePaul.
The guy's fringe top 100, hardly a reason to hire/not hire a coach. What a joke!
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The guy's fringe top 100, hardly a reason to hire/not hire a coach. What a joke!
Not only is LoVett not worth hiring a coach for, but virtually every major program that got involved ended up backing way off. Arizona, Kansas, Marquette, Memphis, Indiana, USC, Washington, and others all sniffed around but didn't offer (though he committed to Kansas before discovering he didn't have an offer).
In the end, DePaul may end up fortunate they didn't land LoVett. Seems like he's more trouble than he's worth. But when you hire a coach in part to land a "key recruit", you better damn sure get that recruit!
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Sleeping Giant
The Connecticut State Park?
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Not a bad player to take a flyer on this late. He doesn't seem like a screw up, but was having trouble posting a qualifying test score. If he has done that, he could be a steal for them.
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Not only is LoVett not worth hiring a coach for, but virtually every major program that got involved ended up backing way off. Arizona, Kansas, Marquette, Memphis, Indiana, USC, Washington, and others all sniffed around but didn't offer (though he committed to Kansas before discovering he didn't have an offer).
In the end, DePaul may end up fortunate they didn't land LoVett. Seems like he's more trouble than he's worth. But when you hire a coach in part to land a "key recruit", you better damn sure get that recruit!
Did he seriously attempt to commit to Kansas? Lmao
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http://ilprepbullseye.com/LoVet_St._Johns.html (http://ilprepbullseye.com/LoVet_St.Johns.html)
Not a bad player to take a flyer on this late. He doesn't seem like a screw up, but was having trouble posting a qualifying test score. If he has done that, he could be a steal for them.
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Did he seriously attempt to commit to Kansas? Lmao
Kansas was apparently interested. Not sure they ever offered though.
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Sleeping Giant
The Connecticut State Park?
No, I think the Lens meant the Ontario Provincial Park
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So a big part of hiring Dave Leitao was supposedly helping DePaul land coveted Chicago PG Marcus LoVett Jr. LoVett was visiting DePaul the weekend Leitao was hired and the coach hire was supposed to seal the deal.
I'll be the first to say that you should NEVER hire a coach for one recruit, but even worse is when you hire a coach for one recruit and LOSE THE RECRUIT ANYWAY!!!
Marcus LoVett signed his NLI with St. John's last night. Classic DePaul...
Mullin killin it!
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Sleeping Comatose Giant
FIFY
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FIFY
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Not sure why, but I googled that phrase and this is what came up. Not bad.
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Sleeping Giant
I know this is in teal, but I read this all the time. What does DePaul seriously have other than being in Chicago? Do they even have a practice facility? If we plugged in Loyola tomorrow, would anyone know the difference?
In any event, DePaul gon' DePaul.
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I know this is in teal, but I read this all the time. What does DePaul seriously have other than being in Chicago? Do they even have a practice facility? If we plugged in Loyola tomorrow, would anyone know the difference?
In any event, DePaul gon' DePaul.
Largest catholic school in the country, one of the winningest programs all time. Sure they're terrible but I'd rather have a program old people go "wow I remember them being incredible" than a team that has had 1 good year since Coach Ireland had them in the 60s. Though if Loyola were to join we could boast 4 national championships instead of three.
Seriously though Loyola can't even say they've been screwed over by being mid major as they've only hit the nit 4 times and the CBI once. Great in the 60s, one good year in 83 and nothing outside of that.
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Largest catholic school in the country, one of the winningest programs all time. Sure they're terrible but I'd rather have a program old people go "wow I remember them being incredible" than a team that has had 1 good year since Coach Ireland had them in the 60s. Though if Loyola were to join we could boast 4 national championships instead of three.
Seriously though Loyola can't even say they've been screwed over by being mid major as they've only hit the nit 4 times and the CBI once. Great in the 60s, one good year in 83 and nothing outside of that.
Their great year was 1985. They have a very nice gym, by the way.
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The Alfredrick Hughes era in the early 80's.
Once missed 20 straight shot against Bradley.
As a junior averaged about 28 points per game on 655 shots and 17 assists.
I think he's still top ten all time in NCAA scoring with almost 3000 points.
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The Alfredrick Hughes era in the early 80's.
Once missed 20 straight shot against Bradley.
As a junior averaged about 28 points per game on 655 shots and 17 assists.
I think he's still top ten all time in NCAA scoring with almost 3000 points.
The man with three first names!
My least favorite period of basketball because for a while Loyola was clearly out recruiting us head to head - Joe Daugherty, Keith Gales, Gerald Hayward...
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The Alfredrick Hughes era in the early 80's.
Once missed 20 straight shot against Bradley.
As a junior averaged about 28 points per game on 655 shots and 17 assists.
I think he's still top ten all time in NCAA scoring with almost 3000 points.
He took ball hogging to an entirely different level. They had some solid guards in Andre Battle and Carl Golston, who I believe was a Badger transfer.
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Where's all this early 80s love for Loyola coming from? They made the NIT in 80 and sweet 16 in 85. Maybe they out recruited us but they beat us once from 79 to 86 so they couldn't have been that good.
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Where's all this early 80s love for Loyola coming from? They made the NIT in 80 and sweet 16 in 85. Maybe they out recruited us but they beat us once from 79 to 86 so they couldn't have been that good.
Loyola had a blip up at the same time as Marquette was trending down from the McGuire years. Even when Loyola wasn't great, they were still better than MU. After Majerus left, Loyola beat MU three years in a row 1987-89 largely led by guys that Loyola had won in head to head recruiting battles with MU. It was teeth gnashing time for this dude. When you're a fan of a program that was a blue blood while you were in school and then see it fall behind a school that your school use to beat as a matter of course it messes with your head, and you have to post about it decades later to try and exorcise the demons.
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The last dozen posts just don't compute for me.
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