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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Badgerhater on March 12, 2015, 08:40:33 AM
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Sacar Anim has a pretty good game in MN:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/295951941.html
From the article: The Islanders’ Sacar Anim, a Marquette recruit, was held to six points in the first half. Gophers recruit Jarvis Johnson had just four points at halftime. The senior guards, who are the team’s leading scorers, were a combined 4-for-13 from the floor.
Anim, who averages 23.6 points per game, and Johnson took over in the second half. Anim scored the Islanders’ first 10 points after intermission and it appeared a rout was on. The Islanders’ lead quickly vaulted to 45-27.
Anim finished with a game-high 22 points while Johnson wound up with 14.
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Heldt plays the Hauser bro's tonight
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Are the Hauser Bros as tough as the Van Buren Boys?
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Sacar tipping at noon today in a semifinal tilt.
Henry at 7pm in sectionals.
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Are the Hauser Bros as tough as the Van Buren Boys?
The VB boys are tough customers, but if you know their signs they'll think you're one of their own.
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Sacar tipping at noon today in a semifinal tilt.
Henry at 7pm in sectionals.
Twitter says he had 27pts.
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The VB boys are tough customers, but if you know their signs they'll think you're one of their own.
(http://teecraze.com/wp-content/uploads/vanburenboys.jpg)
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Yes.. Sacar w/27. 10 of 15 FG; perfect on FT's. 5 rebs, 3 assists. Tough defense.
They shut down Mankato East and won easily. They'll go for another championship - their fourth in a row - on Saturday.
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I really like that it seems every time I look at Anim's stats, he's making his free throws. We have to be better than 65% if we want to get back to winning ways.
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Sacar and DeLaSalle advance to the finals with a 74-40 win over Mankato East.
http://www.mnbasketballhub.com/news_article/show/489725?referrer_id=198777
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It seems like Henry and Rice Lake play tonight at 7 pm as well.
Can't seem to find anything on Traci Carter's team and the playoffs.
Seems Cheatham's team lost in sectionals despite a 27 point performance from him. Apparently it went to OT on a controversial foul call against his team given that I've found 2 petitions asking for an overturn.
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I really like that it seems every time I look at Anim's stats, he's making his free throws. We have to be better than 65% if we want to get back to winning ways.
Wait until our free throw coaches get done with him.
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I really like that it seems every time I look at Anim's stats, he's making his free throws. We have to be better than 65% if we want to get back to winning ways.
I like that he seems like a willing scorer when needed that plays defense that Wojo likes. It's guys like Cheatham and Anim that are going to help us get back into a man scheme base package.
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Anyone know the tv or streaming situation on these games? As in is there any?
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Minnesota HS tourney is on locally - ch 45. Stream available for fee ($5) at Prep45.com per day. Sacar will play on Saturday for the championship... around 5pm CT.
@JBBauer612
Rice Lake moves on with a 62-48 win over Onalaska. #mubb's Henry Ellenson with 31 & 19.
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I really like that it seems every time I look at Anim's stats, he's making his free throws. We have to be better than 65% if we want to get back to winning ways.
Definitely agree with you. That is very encouraging. When I was reading his stat line from today, that part jumped out at me (zero missed FT's) as much as his 27 pts.
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I really like that it seems every time I look at Anim's stats, he's making his free throws. We have to be better than 65% if we want to get back to winning ways.
Was perfect again today, but the claim that we need to be better than 65% to win is ridiculous. FT% is nearly irrelevant to winning basketball games.
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Heldt plays the Hauser bro's tonight
50-47 Stevens Point won
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Was perfect again today, but the claim that we need to be better than 65% to win is ridiculous. FT% is nearly irrelevant to winning basketball games.
Huh? Sure, I get that you need to get to the line as well enough to make it impactful on the outcome, but other than that, please explain the logic to that statement.
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Huh? Sure, I get that you need to get to the line as well enough to make it impactful on the outcome, but other than that, please explain the logic to that statement.
It's math. A team's FT% will tell you next to nothing about them.
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It's math. A team's FT% will tell you next to nothing about them.
Yes, agree, if they don't get to the line very often compared to their opponents, then yeah sure. But to say a team's FT% is irrelevant is ludicrous.
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It's math. A team's FT% will tell you next to nothing about them.
OK - are you coming at this from a stand alone argument, i.e., team FT% alone doesn't define how good, bad, or mediocre a team is?
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OK - are you coming at this from a stand alone argument, i.e., team FT% alone doesn't define how good, bad, or mediocre a team is?
Yes. brewcity said, "We have to be better than 65% if we want to get back to winning ways." The Warriors were 64.5% from the line this season.
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Yes. brewcity said, "We have to be better than 65% if we want to get back to winning ways." The Warriors were 64.5% from the line this season.
I agree to an extent, but I'd venture to guess that way more often than not, teams that are solid from the line, have winning seasons. The degree to which they win, I'm sure will vary greatly.
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I agree to an extent, but I'd venture to guess that way more often than not, teams that are solid from the line, have winning seasons. The degree to which they win, I'm sure will vary greatly.
Not due to FT%.
Even offensive efficiency has little to do with FT%. Just doesn't carry a lot of importance. Sorry.
Just for kicks, here are the top 10 FT% teams in the D-I basketball this year:
(http://i.imgur.com/zzRPpEX.png)
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Not due to FT%.
Even offensive efficiency has little to do with FT%. Just doesn't carry a lot of importance. Sorry.
Just for kicks, here are the top 10 FT% teams in the D-I basketball this year:
(http://i.imgur.com/zzRPpEX.png)
The top 10 is a mighty small sample size- look at the next 10 on the list -
Albany (23-8, 15-1 conf)
Maryland
Wisconsin
Oregon
Michigan
Bryant (16-15, 12-6)
Northwestern St (19-11, 13-5)
Cornell (losing records)
Pepperdine (18-13, 10-8)
So you keep going and 9 of the next 10 with winning records, with some near or above the 20 win mark. And the top 20 in FT% totals - 14-5-1 as far as winning vs. losing season. I stand by my earlier statement - and I bet if you keep going on that list, far more winning seasons than losing seasons.
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I agree to an extent, but I'd venture to guess that way more often than not, teams that are solid from the line, have winning seasons.
I'm not sure what you're saying.. what is 'solid from the line' and what is 'way more often than not'? Why keep going down a list when I don't know what I'm looking for?
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I agree to an extent, but I'd venture to guess that way more often than not, teams that are solid from the line, have winning seasons. The degree to which they win, I'm sure will vary greatly.
We scored 384 points on 590 free throws. If we improved to 67% we score 11 more TOTAL points in 32 (33?) games. 70% would mean 413 points or 29 more. Still less than 1 point a game. We still would have sucked. All of the other metrics that Jay Bee and Sugar talk about are WAY more important than that almost insignificant difference.
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I'm not sure what you're saying.. what is 'solid from the line' and what is 'way more often than not'? Why keep going down a list when I don't know what I'm looking for?
I'd define solid from the line as 72% or better.
Way more often than not, a discrepancy of 14 winning seasons, 5 losing season, and 1 .500 season of the top 20 FT teams.
I went to the next 20 on the list, so 40 total, and the tally became this - 24 winning seasons, 14 losing seasons, and 2 .500 seasons. And one of the .500 teams is Portland St, who is actually 16-15, 9-9.
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We scored 384 points on 590 free throws. If we improved to 67% we score 11 more TOTAL points in 32 (33?) games. 70% would mean 413 points or 29 more. Still less than 1 point a game. We still would have sucked. All of the other metrics that Jay Bee and Sugar talk about are WAY more important than that almost insignificant difference.
Problem with that is we have no way of knowing from those stats the number of missed front ends. Nor how many missed front ends could have been converted into another make.
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Problem with that is we have no way of knowing from those stats the number of missed front ends. Nor how many missed front ends could have been converted into another make.
Yes we do - and it's all nearly irrelevant.
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Yes we do - and it's all nearly irrelevant.
Agree to disagree.
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Agree to disagree.
That's cool. Lots of people don't understand math.
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We scored 384 points on 590 free throws. If we improved to 67% we score 11 more TOTAL points in 32 (33?) games. 70% would mean 413 points or 29 more. Still less than 1 point a game. We still would have sucked. All of the other metrics that Jay Bee and Sugar talk about are WAY more important than that almost insignificant difference.
The points are understated, because the higher the percentage you shoot the less front ends of one and ones are being missed. However, on the flip side Fischer missed a free throw yesterday that we rebounded and hit a three on.
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Agree to disagree.
FT% is about 5 percent important
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2014/03/marquette-and-priorities-part-two.html
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That's cool. Lots of people don't understand math.
Like you.
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FT% is about 5 percent important
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2014/03/marquette-and-priorities-part-two.html
Thank you
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FT% is about 5 percent important
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2014/03/marquette-and-priorities-part-two.html
Great, explain my above findings then.
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Stevens Point beat Neenah tonight 50-47. Again Trevor Anderson bailed out Point. Would be a bad get for MU. A point guard.
He just plays the game and has smart basketball sense. Knows where he wants to go with the ball and set people his players up.
Excellent 3 pt shooter. Has had some 30 point games this season. If I was Wojo, I would check him out thoroughly. He is
being recruited by small to mid majors. Could be a steal. A player.
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Great, explain my above findings then.
Lol.. sounds like you struggle with logic as well.
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Wouldn't be a bad get. My error.
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Great, explain my above findings then.
FT% is important for good teams. It's just much, much less important than shooting efficiently, protecting the ball, and rebounding.
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Lol.. sounds like you struggle with logic as well.
Really? Is that why you threw out your top 10 and stopped at that once I started countering it with additional data? I clarified statements for you to as you asked, but you never did anything with it.
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FT% is important for good teams. It's just much, much less important than shooting efficiently, protecting the ball, and rebounding.
I know that FT% is certainly not a be all, end all, as some of the teams in the top 10 this year illustrate. And I haven't argued that it is. But I don't think it can brushed off as coincidence the correlation between good FT shooting teams and winning seasons.
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I know that FT% is certainly not a be all, end all, as some of the teams in the top 10 this year illustrate. And I haven't argued that it is. But I don't think it can brushed off as coincidence the correlation between good FT shooting teams and winning seasons.
Yes, there is a correlation. But FT is the least important area to fix. It's like polishing a cannon ball.
MU should focus on so much more first.
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But how bout those MU recruits, huh? Yeezus guys
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The real key to winning.g I'd to make threes. You lose if you make twos. We need shooters who can make threes consistently. Mark my words.
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Guess I should have returned to this thread...didn't realize the bomb I dropped with FT%.
While it's easy to dismiss, I do think it matters. While it won't factor much into efficiency, and while it makes sense that eFG% is more important, I don't think it helps when 3 of your 5 most frequent FT shooters are shooting below 60% (Fisch, Juan, Derrick).
It may be hard to quantify, but I definitely feel in the last 5 minutes of a game, when close games are won and lost, free throws are more important than 5%. Yes, making shots matters, but if you are missing the front end of 1-and-1's, that will only reflect 1 point lost when in actuality you are losing the opportunity for 2 points. If you're coming back, earning points while the game clock is stopped is a huge boost (Butler scored 4 from the line in the 13-3 run to send the game to OT).
It might only be 1-2 points per game. If you average our season, a FT% of 72% would improve our scoring by 1.5 ppg. There are a few games where that would have made the difference.
Looking at the top-25 teams in terms of offensive efficiency, only 2 are outside the top-200 in terms of FT%. Yes, you can be a sub-par FT% team and still be efficient, but it's not exactly common. We don't have to be a top-10 FT shooting team to be good, but being sub-300 in that category certainly isn't helping matters.
I may be mistaken, but making three-pointers helps eFG% quite a bit. Most good three point shooters are also good FT shooters. Get better shooting, it will improve our scoring from the line, our completion of 1-and-1's, and our eFG%. I can't see any reason looking to get guys who are better from the line is a bad thing.
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Guess I should have returned to this thread...didn't realize the bomb I dropped with FT%.
While it's easy to dismiss, I do think it matters. While it won't factor much into efficiency, and while it makes sense that eFG% is more important, I don't think it helps when 3 of your 5 most frequent FT shooters are shooting below 60% (Fisch, Juan, Derrick).
It may be hard to quantify, but I definitely feel in the last 5 minutes of a game, when close games are won and lost, free throws are more important than 5%. Yes, making shots matters, but if you are missing the front end of 1-and-1's, that will only reflect 1 point lost when in actuality you are losing the opportunity for 2 points. If you're coming back, earning points while the game clock is stopped is a huge boost (Butler scored 4 from the line in the 13-3 run to send the game to OT).
It might only be 1-2 points per game. If you average our season, a FT% of 72% would improve our scoring by 1.5 ppg. There are a few games where that would have made the difference.
Looking at the top-25 teams in terms of offensive efficiency, only 2 are outside the top-200 in terms of FT%. Yes, you can be a sub-par FT% team and still be efficient, but it's not exactly common. We don't have to be a top-10 FT shooting team to be good, but being sub-300 in that category certainly isn't helping matters.
I may be mistaken, but making three-pointers helps eFG% quite a bit. Most good three point shooters are also good FT shooters. Get better shooting, it will improve our scoring from the line, our completion of 1-and-1's, and our eFG%. I can't see any reason looking to get guys who are better from the line is a bad thing.
Cripes. You're throwing out a bunch of different things. Back to what you originally claimed: "We have to be better than 65% if we want to get back to winning ways."
That is FALSE. Absolutely false. Period.
"I can't see any reason looking to get guys who are better from the line is a bad thing"... WHAT? Where does this come from? smh.
What would have been reasonable to original say is, "I'd like to see us shoot better than 65% from the line in the future." OK, great. Me too! But that's not what was said.
...and there are always plenty of exceptions to most any rule.. so words are important.
Remember last year's team Louisville? Their offensive efficiency was #5 in the nation (unadjusted). FIFTH BEST in D-I basketball. They shot 66.1% from the line, worse than ~85% of all teams.
For individual players, yes, there is often relevant correlation b/w 3FG% and FT%. That's one of the several reasons why HutchisClutch's logic was flawed. At any rate, there are exceptions here as well.. Wojo coached a guy.. DeMarcus Nelson.. 4-year guy with hundreds of 3FGA's and FTA's.. 37.3% career from deep...58.6% from the line...
There are at least 6 top 25 OE teams that aren't in the top 150 FT% teams in the nation.
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In terms of overall stats, I understand why FTs (least valuable shot, difference between 64% and 72% seems minimal over a season) don't seem like a big deal. I understand why statistically they won't have as much impact.
But I do feel the extra 1.5 ppg is worth having a good FT shooting team over a poor one and I feel that in the last 5 minutes of a game, missing FTs and especially the front ends of 1-and-1s are often the difference between winning and losing a game.
You don't care about FTs. Fine. I like seeing that Anim makes his. It is what it is.
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I don't know from all those stats, pro or con.
All I know is that I would rather my players be good FT shooters rather than poor FT shooters. Duh. And I especially know that I want the guys who are handling the ball late in close games to be very good FT shooters.
No maths there. Just common sense.
Now ... how 'bout those MU recruits?
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Henry went 31 pts 19 rebounds despite having 4 fouls last night.
Heldt went 16-8 in the loss to Stevens Point
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In terms of overall stats, I understand why FTs (least valuable shot, difference between 64% and 72% seems minimal over a season) don't seem like a big deal. I understand why statistically they won't have as much impact.
But I do feel the extra 1.5 ppg is worth having a good FT shooting team over a poor one and I feel that in the last 5 minutes of a game, missing FTs and especially the front ends of 1-and-1s are often the difference between winning and losing a game.
You don't care about FTs. Fine. I like seeing that Anim makes his. It is what it is.
No, no. Again. Back to what you said: "We have to be better than 65% if we want to get back to winning ways." This is false. You can admit it and move on, or keep talking about other stuff.
Also, "missing FTs and especially the front ends of 1-and-1s are often the difference between winning and losing a game." --> No! This is false. Use some logic.
Now, the great thing about team FT% is that there are a number of free throw shooters on a team. Thus, obviously you'd want to, and are able to game plan accordingly, have guys who shoot better or have more poise and focus have the ball in their hand when the other team is trying to intentionally foul you.
"Missing free throws lost us the game" is picking out one negative out of many and pointing to it. It's simple minded thinking and wrong.
Free throws (9/19 for 47.4%) get the attention from many, but they weren’t the primary issue in Minnesota’s loss at Nebraska. (http://Free throws (9/19 for 47.4%) get the attention from many, but they weren’t the primary issue in Minnesota’s loss at Nebraska.)
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Free throw percentage is the cherry on the sundae. It stands out, it makes the sundae better, but it not being there doesn't stop it from being a sundae while a cherry in an empty bowl is not a sundae.
It is preferable for a sundae to have a cherry on top.
Now consider the sundae itself to be a good basketball team and the empty bowl to be a bad basketball team. The cherry makes the first better and doesn't mean a damn thing for the latter.
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You don't care about FTs. Fine. I like seeing that Anim makes his. It is what it is.
Brew, saying "you don't care about free throws, fine" is an unfair and untrue characterization. We all wish our guys would never miss a free throw. But for us to be successful it's much, much, much more important to get guys with better at effective FG%, rebounding rates, turnover rates, etc. (IOW, better basketball players) than it is to get guys who are better free throw shooters. Better players take you from last place to the dance. A better ft% might give us a win or two.
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J.B, you heading to Anim's state final today?
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Are the Hauser Bros as tough as the Van Buren Boys?
Asks Kramer!
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I don't know from all those stats, pro or con.
All I know is that I would rather my players be good FT shooters rather than poor FT shooters. Duh. And I especially know that I want the guys who are handling the ball late in close games to be very good FT shooters.
No maths there. Just common sense.
Now ... how 'bout those MU recruits?
Sure. And you'd rather have a team of great ball handlers who rarely turned it over. And a team that dominates the backboards. And a team with an off the charts effective FG%. IOW, first choice is great basketball players who shoot free throws well. Second choice, great basketball players who don't. Third choice moves you to mediocrity or worse depending on how good the players are and has little to do with their FT%. I have a friend who walked on at Marquette as a freshman. He's 68 years old and can still make 90/100 free throws. When he walked on it was more like 96/100. But he was still a walk on.
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Dear Lenny, brew, et al:
No one cares about free throws for the purpose of this thread. Hijack a different one and let's get back to talking about recruits of Marquette that are currently in the state playoffs.
Signed,
Jake Barnes, Esq. (WYLD STALLIONS)
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Dear Lenny, brew, et al:
No one cares about free throws for the purpose of this thread. Hijack a different one and let's get back to talking about recruits of Marquette that are currently in the state playoffs.
Signed,
Jake Barnes, Esq. (WYLD STALLIONS)
Sorry, was just trying to point out a positive to Anim's game ;)
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Henry went 31 pts 19 rebounds despite having 4 fouls last night.
Heldt went 16-8 in the loss to Stevens Point
but how did he do on his free throws?
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NOT RECRUITED BY MU BUT---TREV ANDERSON OF POINT HAD 28 AGAIN LAST NIGHT AGAINST NEENAH. 20 IN THE SECOND HALF AND THE GAME WINNER. GOOD PLAYER WHO IS ONLY BEING RECRUITED BY MID AND LOW MAJORS. I'M SURE
WHEN AAU STARTS UP HE WILL BE NOTICED BY OTHERS. GOOD POIN T GUARD. 3-STAR IN MY BOOK.
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J.B, you heading to Anim's state final today?
They have an off day today - play tomorrow ~5pm. 8pm game between Apple Valley & Champlin Park will be of interest as well, but I'll probably watch / record on TV -- so many good college games going on at the same time.
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NOT RECRUITED BY MU BUT---TREV ANDERSON OF POINT HAD 28 AGAIN LAST NIGHT AGAINST NEENAH. 20 IN THE SECOND HALF AND THE GAME WINNER. GOOD PLAYER WHO IS ONLY BEING RECRUITED BY MID AND LOW MAJORS. I'M SURE
WHEN AAU STARTS UP HE WILL BE NOTICED BY OTHERS. GOOD POIN T GUARD. 3-STAR IN MY BOOK.
Name is too similar to Evan Anderson, who was a Badger and who sucked. So no thanks.
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Name is too similar to Evan Anderson, who was a Badger and who sucked. So no thanks.
That's just Recruiting 101
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Sacar tipping at noon today in a semifinal tilt.
Henry at 7pm in sectionals.
You there?
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Rice Lake v. Merrill Sat at 100 pm @ Marshfield.
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Free throw shooting only matters in a competitive game and then it matters a lot.
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Will see Henry play Merrill on Saturday. Live in Marshfield.
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NOT RECRUITED BY MU BUT---TREV ANDERSON OF POINT HAD 28 AGAIN LAST NIGHT AGAINST NEENAH. 20 IN THE SECOND HALF AND THE GAME WINNER. GOOD PLAYER WHO IS ONLY BEING RECRUITED BY MID AND LOW MAJORS. I'M SURE
WHEN AAU STARTS UP HE WILL BE NOTICED BY OTHERS. GOOD POIN T GUARD. 3-STAR IN MY BOOK.
24/7 composite has him as a 4 star recruit and the 25th best PG in the class of 2016. Already drawing interest from Iowa St, IU, UW, Creighton, and Virginia. If we want to get him Wojo should start now if he hasn't already. Anyone have any insight on his game/skillset/ability?
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Free throw shooting only matters in a competitive game and then it matters a lot.
except when you're playing Bucky because you don't shoot any FTs until the final minute. Michigan had zero FT attempts and UW had committed a total of FOUR fouls in the first 38 minutes today.
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except when you're playing Bucky because you don't shoot any FTs until the final minute. Michigan had zero FT attempts and UW had committed a total of FOUR fouls in the first 38 minutes today.
Gotta preserve their hopes for a 1-seed somehow. Will laugh when they are in the Midwest with Kentucky. Will laugh harder when they get knocked off before they play Kentucky.
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24/7 composite has him as a 4 star recruit and the 25th best PG in the class of 2016. Already drawing interest from Iowa St, IU, UW, Creighton, and Virginia. If we want to get him Wojo should start now if he hasn't already. Anyone have any insight on his game/skillset/ability?
Wojo sold Carter on the idea that he was the only true point guard on the roster. It might be counter productive to try and recruit another point before Carter signs.
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Will see Henry play Merrill on Saturday. Live in Marshfield.
Hope you see a decent performance, but with the history of low scoring WVC teams, I'll bet the score doesn't add up to move than 100 points. Rice Lake won earlier in the year 51-41 with Henry scoring 16. I just hope Rice Lake can survive and get to Madison.
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Rice Lake wins 44-32 with Wojo in attendance. Headed to state.
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Rice Lake wins 44-32 with Wojo in attendance. Headed to state.
Got to be nice for Wojo and a silver lining to this forgettable season that at least he now gets to recruit more as well as continue building relationships with the 5 kids already signed or committed to sign.
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Gotta preserve their hopes for a 1-seed somehow. Will laugh when they are in the Midwest with Kentucky. Will laugh harder when they get knocked off before they play Kentucky.
Bucky is fookin' loaded. Will be between them and UA for a 1 seed. Likely it goes to Wisconsin, ai na?
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Ai nna? Please speak English.
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Bucky is fookin' loaded. Will be between them and UA for a 1 seed. Likely it goes to Wisconsin, ai na?
Not sure that's who it would be between.
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Stevens Point beat Neenah tonight 50-47. Again Trevor Anderson bailed out Point. Would be a bad get for MU. A point guard.
He just plays the game and has smart basketball sense. Knows where he wants to go with the ball and set people his players up.
Excellent 3 pt shooter. Has had some 30 point games this season. If I was Wojo, I would check him out thoroughly. He is
being recruited by small to mid majors. Could be a steal. A player.
I saw Rice Lake then drove to Wausau to watch SPASH. Saw Wojo at both games. Henry was ridiculous and had a monster put back slam. Anderson was better than Hauser today. Sam didn't shoot well at all and Anderson field thier big run with great passes and timely scoring. He is a Wojo type player himself.
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Merrill wasn't that good to be at Marshfield. This was the weakest D1 sectional in the state. The big guy had a monster dunk.
Actually Merrill never had a chance. Glad Point won. mentioned yesterday Anderson, a pt. guard, is quite a player. Not real fast
but gets to where he wants to goi with ball and usually scores. Drake has been following him around quite to most of the games.
AAU Ball this summer should attrack many more schools. Hopefully Point will play Germantown in the D1 Championship Game.
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Merrill's only chance was to make it a football game. They knocked HE around a bit, but they aren't good. Superior stunk. They hung around for a quarter and a half before succumbing to the better team. It's difficult to assess these players when they are better than the other nine. Easy to play down to your competition. I was shocked at how weak Henry's teammates were.
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Not sure that's who it would be between.
Then why not expand?
Kentucky is a lock for a 1. So is Nova with a win tonight, then you have Duke, Arizona, Wisconsin, Virginia for 2 spots. I think Virginia has the best resume but seems like the professionals disagree. I think Duke has the worst resume of the 4 but can boast wins over UVA and UW.
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fwiw, records against the current top 20
Arizona (3-0)
WON Gonzaga 66-63
WON Utah 69-51
WON @ Utah 63-57
Duke (6-2)
WON @ Wisconsin 80-70
WON @ Louisville 63-52
LOST @ Notre Dame 77-73
WON @ Virginia 69-63
WON Notre Dame 90-60
WON North Carolina 92-90
WON @ North Carolina 84-77
LOST Notre Dame 74-64
Villanova (0-0)
Virginia (4-3)
WON @ Maryland 76-65
WON @ Notre Dame 62-56
LOST Duke 69-63
WON @ North Carolina 75-64
WON Louisville 52-47
LOST @ Louisville 59-57
LOST North Carolina 71-67
Wisconsin (0-2)
LOST Duke 80-70
LOST @ Maryland 59-53
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How does this relate to MU recruits?
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How on earth does Arizona have 3 sub-100 losses?
I still think Duke and UVa are most deserving of top seeds after UK and Nova. Virginia has no bad losses, with Louisville as their worst loss. Duke may have more losses, but 6 top-20 wins, including both Bucky and UVa on the road.
Of course, Bucky will get the 1 in the West, but man is that Rutgers loss bad. Yeah, they didn't have Kaminsky, but Rutgers has lost 15 straight since beating Bucky, and none of those teams needed Kaminsky to beat the Scarlet Knights.
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The Rutgers lost was so long ago(and without Frank) and UW is playing so well now that it will be easy for the committee to look past it.
UW is going to get a 1 seed if they win tomorrow......last 1 will be debated but ultimately I think Virginia will get it.
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I think you're right that they'll get a 1, I just think Virginia and Duke are more deserving. Don't even really think it's close. Rutgers is a terrible, terrible team. If you combine the RPI of ALL the teams that beat Duke and Virginia, Rutgers RPI is worse than all of them combined.
I just don't think you should be able to lose a game like that no matter the circumstance and get a 1. Same reason I don't think Arizona is deserving.
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fwiw, records against the current top 20
Arizona (3-0)
WON Gonzaga 66-63
WON Utah 69-51
WON @ Utah 63-57
Duke (6-2)
WON @ Wisconsin 80-70
WON @ Louisville 63-52
LOST @ Notre Dame 77-73
WON @ Virginia 69-63
WON Notre Dame 90-60
WON North Carolina 92-90
WON @ North Carolina 84-77
LOST Notre Dame 74-64
Villanova (0-0)
Virginia (4-3)
WON @ Maryland 76-65
WON @ Notre Dame 62-56
LOST Duke 69-63
WON @ North Carolina 75-64
WON Louisville 52-47
LOST @ Louisville 59-57
LOST North Carolina 71-67
Wisconsin (0-2)
LOST Duke 80-70
LOST @ Maryland 59-53
If you extend it to the top 25 and use the RPI, Nova is 5-1. UW is then 3-2. UVA is 5-3, Duke is 6-2, Arizona is 3-0.
UW has performed the worst against the RPI top 25. If they win tomorrow they get the 4th number 1. If they lose, I think it goes to UVA.
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How does this relate to MU recruits?
It doesn't. But hey, who could ever get tired of talking about the Vadgers?
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Merrill wasn't that good to be at Marshfield. This was the weakest D1 sectional in the state. The big guy had a monster dunk.
Actually Merrill never had a chance. Glad Point won. mentioned yesterday Anderson, a pt. guard, is quite a player. Not real fast
but gets to where he wants to goi with ball and usually scores. Drake has been following him around quite to most of the games.
AAU Ball this summer should attrack many more schools. Hopefully Point will play Germantown in the D1 Championship Game.
D2.
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If Virginia had at least made it to the ACC final that would have locked up a #1 seed for them and then it would have been hilarious to see Becky end up in the same region as Kentucky.
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Duke does not deserve a #1. They did not win the ACC regular season or their Tourney. But they will get a #1 because the NCAA Commisioner, Coach K wills it.
#1 seeds should be: Ky., Wisky( oh the humanity), Villanova, and Az. with Va. a close 2nd.
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Duke does not deserve a #1. They did not win the ACC regular season or their Tourney. But they will get a #1 because the NCAA Commisioner, Coach K wills it.
#1 seeds should be: Ky., Wisky( oh the humanity), Villanova, and Az. with Va. a close 2nd.
The Big East had 3 #1 seeds in 1 season not too long ago. That means at least 1 of the 1 seeds didn't win their regular season or tournament title. So what? Duke has 1 more loss than Wisconsin but plays in a much, much tougher conference than Wisconsin, and they smoked Wisconsin on Wisconsin's home court.
Duke has 2 wins over top 20 UNC, 1 win over top 10 ND, 1 win over top 5 UW, 1 win over top 5 Virginia, and 1 win over top 15 Louisville. They beat both of the teams playing for the B1G title today, 1 on the road and 1 on a neutral court and both by double digits, so I'm fairly confident in saying that Duke would've won at least 1 of the regular season or conference tourney if they were playing in the B1G.
Wisconsin? Well, they have wins over top 25 Oklahoma and then...uhh...Iowa? Michigan State? Ohio State? Georgetown? Indiana? Purdue? Woo hoo! They have beat nobody this year.
Duke probably has the 2nd or 3rd most impressive resume in the country, behind Kentucky and maybe Virginia. It should be Kentucky, Duke, Virginia, and Villinova with the top seeds, but it'll be Wisconsin in place of Virginia despite Virginia having a better resume while playing a lot of its conference season without its best player.
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The Big East had 3 #1 seeds in 1 season not too long ago. That means at least 1 of the 1 seeds didn't win their regular season or tournament title. So what? Duke has 1 more loss than Wisconsin but plays in a much, much tougher conference than Wisconsin, and they smoked Wisconsin on Wisconsin's home court.
Duke has 2 wins over top 20 UNC, 1 win over top 10 ND, 1 win over top 5 UW, 1 win over top 5 Virginia, and 1 win over top 15 Louisville. They beat both of the teams playing for the B1G title today, 1 on the road and 1 on a neutral court and both by double digits, so I'm fairly confident in saying that Duke would've won at least 1 of the regular season or conference tourney if they were playing in the B1G.
Wisconsin? Well, they have wins over top 25 Oklahoma and then...uhh...Iowa? Michigan State? Ohio State? Georgetown? Indiana? Purdue? Woo hoo! They have beat nobody this year.
+1000
Bucky passes the eye test, but their resume really isn't as impressive as people are making it out to be.
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Forget the resume. Look at the sum of the parts. Plus, they're payin' real well right now. If they win today, Bucky deserves a 1 seed and is a legit threat to win it all.
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Forget the resume. Look at the sum of the parts. Plus, they're payin' real well right now. If they win today, Bucky deserves a 1 seed and is a legit threat to win it all.
Not saying they aren't a threat to win it all or anything about how talented or not they are. Just saying that based on what each team has done so far this season, UK, Duke, Virginia, and Villinova deserve to be 1 seeds.
In my mind, I would rank the teams most likely to win the title by group as follows:
1) Kentucky
2) Duke
3) Arizona
4) Wisconsin
5) Virginia
6) Villinova
7) Iowa Sate
8) Kansas
After that I'm not sure anybody else has much of a shot, but I also didn't think UCONN did last year so you never know. Any of the top 5 wouldn't surprise me. 6-8 if the chips fall the right way I think it could happen.
But in terms of seeding I'd go in order:
1) Kentucky
2) Duke
3) Virginia
4) Villinova
5) Arizona
6) Wisconsin
7) Notre Dame
8) Kansas
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I'm selling Kansas
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I'm selling Kansas
Perry Ellis has been playing hurt and this 6 day break should be really beneficial for him. I don't think they win it all but if they catch the right draw I think they can make some noise.
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I saw Rice Lake then drove to Wausau to watch SPASH. Saw Wojo at both games. Henry was ridiculous and had a monster put back slam. Anderson was better than Hauser today. Sam didn't shoot well at all and Anderson field thier big run with great passes and timely scoring. He is a Wojo type player himself.
Wojo is now following Anderson on twitter and vice versa......
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It doesn't. But hey, who could ever get tired of talking about the Vadgers?
Me. I'd rather talk about anything else. Al Gore could approach me about my taxes right now and I'd listen. It'd beat hearing the state drink the vadger kool aid
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Me. I'd rather talk about anything else. Al Gore could approach me about my taxes right now and I'd listen. It'd beat hearing the state drink the vadger kool aid
OK--now here is a challenge--which would you rather talk about least--Bucky or ND? Think very carefully before answering.
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+1000
Bucky passes the eye test, but their resume really isn't as impressive as people are making it out to be.
Kinda like when Bird was at Indiana State
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OK--now here is a challenge--which would you rather talk about least--Bucky or ND? Think very carefully before answering.
Can I choose to play a game of Russian Roulette instead?
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Good to hear that Wojo is busy recruiting.
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Stevens Point beat Neenah tonight 50-47. Again Trevor Anderson bailed out Point. Would be a bad get for MU. A point guard.
He just plays the game and has smart basketball sense. Knows where he wants to go with the ball and set people his players up.
Excellent 3 pt shooter. Has had some 30 point games this season. If I was Wojo, I would check him out thoroughly. He is
being recruited by small to mid majors. Could be a steal. A player.
I gotta bump this to give Earl some props. Watched Trev Anderson at the state tournament and was very impressed. That kid can play.
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I gotta bump this to give Earl some props. Watched Trev Anderson at the state tournament and was very impressed. That kid can play.
Wouldn't be surprised if Anderson became an option if it becomes clear that Cassius Winston is not realistic.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Anderson became an option if it becomes clear that Cassius Winston is not realistic.
Perhaps. I really haven't heard much about Winston and Wojo lately anyways, so if anyone can shed light on that recruitment it'd be great. I think Coffey and Hauser are the top priorities right now, despite the PG need.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Anderson became an option if it becomes clear that Cassius Winston is not realistic.
The anti-Derrick?
Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook
Here's a truly incredible stat -- junior point guard Trev Anderson of Stevens Point ended the year making 75 straight free throws.
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The anti-Derrick?
Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook
Here's a truly incredible stat -- junior point guard Trev Anderson of Stevens Point ended the year making 75 straight free throws.
I think Anderson could be a very solid backup point guard at this level. If Carter takes the reins successfully I would love to get Anderson to back him up the following year. Very skilled offensively, good shooter although the form is a bit odd. Good decision maker.
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I'm not sure I get the love for Anderson. Good player? Sure. But he's small and doesn't even run the point guard on his own high school team. If he's a high major D1 point guard he shouldn't need his own team's small forward (and best scorer - so it'd be advantageous to have Hauser off the ball) to run the point. I just don't see it, but I'm also not getting paid $millions to make those decisions so I guess we'll see.
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I'm not sure I get the love for Anderson. Good player? Sure. But he's small and doesn't even run the point guard on his own high school team. If he's a high major D1 point guard he shouldn't need his own team's small forward (and best scorer - so it'd be advantageous to have Hauser off the ball) to run the point. I just don't see it, but I'm also not getting paid $millions to make those decisions so I guess we'll see.
I don't know....he averaged 5 assists and 2 turnovers a game...shot almost 50% from 3 and 88% from the free throw line......Has played well every time I have seen him play.....http://www.wissports.net/roster_players/3640548?subseason=130924
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I'm not sure I get the love for Anderson. Good player? Sure. But he's small and doesn't even run the point guard on his own high school team. If he's a high major D1 point guard he shouldn't need his own team's small forward (and best scorer - so it'd be advantageous to have Hauser off the ball) to run the point. I just don't see it, but I'm also not getting paid $millions to make those decisions so I guess we'll see.
I think this is right. I think he could be a low major or mid major starter but he's not going to get major minutes at the high major level. Think he could be a capable backup.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook
Here's a truly incredible stat -- junior point guard Trev Anderson of Stevens Point ended the year making 75 straight free throws.
75 straight free throws? That sounds Novackian.
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Great shooter, but does he have the quickness to play point at a high major program? I did not see it. Perfect for GB or Milwaukee, I would be all over the kid. Hauser different story, 6' 6"
2 guard and can play some point, as lots of tools but his height is perfect for his position. Reminds me of the two Notre Dame guards or forwards, Vastoria and Matt C. Needs a little strength
but that comes with maturity and time. I can see why Wojo wants him. A perfect Buzz switchable.
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Watched the title game. My first time seeing Hauser and Anderson besides youtube feel good videos. Here's my take from TOS:
If I can borrow Dodd's blender...Hauser is Kellen Dunham and Mike Bargen in a blender...quick release and great footwork...squares his feet up nicely whether spotting up, coming off a screen, or pulling up off the dribble...loved when he nailed the heat check 3...good dribbler too with the ball on a string...good passer and smart player...good basketball IQ...rebounds, defends, hustles, and block shots...surprisingly athletic...Bargen like in that regard...but with Kellen Dunham's offensive game...top 100 talent, maybe top 50...
Trevor Anderson I'm not quite sold on...the shooting release and dribbling are slower than Hauser...6-2 but I'm not sure he's a PG...had one nice hanging pass for an assist and one forced pass for a TO...knocked down a lot of wide open shots but didn't demonstrate Hauser's rise and fire ability...need further evaluation to place him at the right college level...
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Great shooter, but does he have the quickness to play point at a high major program? I did not see it. Perfect for GB or Milwaukee, I would be all over the kid. Hauser different story, 6' 6"
2 guard and can play some point, as lots of tools but his height is perfect for his position. Reminds me of the two Notre Dame guards or forwards, Vastoria and Matt C. Needs a little strength
but that comes with maturity and time. I can see why Wojo wants him. A perfect Buzz switchable.
What's funny is Buzz would've never touched this kid, but he'd be a really good fit for Wojo (just like Riley LaChance).
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I don't know....he averaged 5 assists and 2 turnovers a game...shot almost 50% from 3 and 88% from the free throw line......Has played well every time I have seen him play.....http://www.wissports.net/roster_players/3640548?subseason=130924
Thanks for the numbers. They are impressive. For a reason I cannot explain I just don't know that he'll be a big contributor on a high major team. Just the feeling I have and I could certainly be wrong.
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Great pic of a friend's son and the Hauser boys on FB. Can't post as it may be a compliance violation. Also, my friend is probably rooting for the Hauser boys to be Pointers.
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Perhaps. I really haven't heard much about Winston and Wojo lately anyways, so if anyone can shed light on that recruitment it'd be great. I think Coffey and Hauser are the top priorities right now, despite the PG need.
I know that Winston is down to Michigan St, Michigan, and MU (he dropped Ohio St recently). He really likes our staff, especially likes how they each played at a high level and that they're all pretty young. Plus, with him going to U of D there are a lot of ties between there and MU.
I think a class of Winston, Coffey, and Hauser would be ideal.
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Great pic of a friend's son and the Hauser boys on FB. Can't post as it may be a compliance violation. Also, my friend is probably rooting for the Hauser boys to be Pointers.
Mission accomplished--they indeed are pointers.
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I know that Winston is down to Michigan St, Michigan, and MU (he dropped Ohio St recently). He really likes our staff, especially likes how they each played at a high level and that they're all pretty young. Plus, with him going to U of D there are a lot of ties between there and MU.
I think a class of Winston, Coffey, and Hauser would be ideal.
If Wojo can pry Winston from Izzo/Michigan State I'll be pleasantly shocked.
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One PG I think is being overlooked is BRANDON KEY from West Allis Central. Pass first and shoot second. Had a nice game against
Stevens Point. Kid looks very quick and can handle the rock. Comments.
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I was not totally impressed with Key, was not aggressive enough, good mid-level player.
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Mission accomplished--they indeed are pointers.
UWSP. I should have tealed I guess.
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I would take Winston and Anderson, both Juniors. Key is a Senior. Probably be a low D1 player. Great backup for MU though.
Worth A schollie, don't know.
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Key is really good. I like him, but he's short. To be honest I'm more impressed with him than with Anderson. Not sure he's fit for Marquette at this point, though.
Where is the noise about Winston coming from? None of the recruiting services even list him having any interest in us (I know, they often get their information wrong, but usually when a school is in his "final 3" at least 1 of the services would at least list some interest in the long lists they put together of schools he has an interest in)?
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I live in the Detroit area so all my info comes from people I've talked to around here, including U of D folks. I understand the skepticism, but I'm pretty confident that we're a strong player in this recruitment.
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Key is really good. I like him, but he's short. To be honest I'm more impressed with him than with Anderson. Not sure he's fit for Marquette at this point, though.
Where is the noise about Winston coming from? None of the recruiting services even list him having any interest in us (I know, they often get their information wrong, but usually when a school is in his "final 3" at least 1 of the services would at least list some interest in the long lists they put together of schools he has an interest in)?
He visited MU (unofficial) back in October and our coaching staff went to one of his games in January. That's about all I can scrap together.
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I would take Winston and Anderson, both Juniors. Key is a Senior. Probably be a low D1 player. Great backup for MU though.
Worth A schollie, don't know.
Key signed an NLI at Northern Illinois in November.
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I think a class of Winston, Coffey, and Hauser would be ideal.
Well if Wojo can pull that off, I think MU basketball will be in a very, very good place.
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I live in the Detroit area so all my info comes from people I've talked to around here, including U of D folks. I understand the skepticism, but I'm pretty confident that we're a strong player in this recruitment.
Gotcha, thanks, was just curious. He would be a great get.
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Key signed an NLI at Northern Illinois in November.
Nope, different dude.
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I live in the Detroit area so all my info comes from people I've talked to around here, including U of D folks. I understand the skepticism, but I'm pretty confident that we're a strong player in this recruitment.
Thanks for the heads up. Been a pretty stealth recruitment so far. Would LOVE to see him sign an NLI for us. Winston, Coffey and Hauser would be another stud class (assuming we have 3 to give).
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Nope, different dude.
Oh right. Brandon Key of West Allis Central...not Jaylen Key of Homestead.
Thanks.
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Winston's name was brought up on some blogs, figured he was interested in MU. I noticed he wasn't mentioned on the ESPN, Yahoo or rivals. Would have been a great get.
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Winston's name was brought up on some blogs, figured he was interested in MU. I noticed he wasn't mentioned on the ESPN, Yahoo or rivals. Would have been a great get.
Don't have to say "would have been". It's still possible.
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Don't have to say "would have been". It's still possible.
Izzo has been on Cassius the longest and was just visiting him a week or so ago. Be tough to take a top 25 kid out of Izzo's backyard with their current success; and MU missing back to back tourneys
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Perhaps. I really haven't heard much about Winston and Wojo lately anyways, so if anyone can shed light on that recruitment it'd be great. I think Coffey and Hauser are the top priorities right now, despite the PG need.
Full court press for Cassius Winston from what I hear. Has had some very good response early in the game. Top priority along with Coffey and Hauser. Would be be the best point we've had since Diener if the reviews are to be believed.
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Winston's name was brought up on some blogs, figured he was interested in MU. I noticed he wasn't mentioned on the ESPN, Yahoo or rivals. Would have been a great get.
I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight on those sites just yet. I havent checked Yahoo or Rivals, but ESPN has only 2 recruits "Considering" us in 2016, and Hauser isn't on there.
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/269/class/2016/page/considering
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Wojo isn't exactly handing his offers out there like candy and is playing things very close to the vest. We were supposedly not in on Traci Carter - until we were and Wojo got him.
Let's see how things play out between now and fall.
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U of D has a playoff game tonight. Apparently Izzo is going to be there to watch Cassius.
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Wow, he can take time outta his busy Tourney prep to watch some high school baller. Must really want the cat, hey?
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UD alum, just checked the Free Press and UD won to move onto state semis, first picture I saw was Izzo walking into Calihan Hall to watch the game. I know someone with UD connections who said MU is in the mix for Winston but MSU is still the leader. I did read a story that his parents really like the education he is getting at UD and like the Jesuit environment so maybe that helps.
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UD alum, just checked the Free Press and UD won to move onto state semis, first picture I saw was Izzo walking into Calihan Hall to watch the game. I know someone with UD connections who said MU is in the mix for Winston but MSU is still the leader. I did read a story that his parents really like the education he is getting at UD and like the Jesuit environment so maybe that helps.
Cassius had the game winner
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Espn is very unreliable and lazy with the recruiting info on their site.
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UD alum, just checked the Free Press and UD won to move onto state semis, first picture I saw was Izzo walking into Calihan Hall to watch the game. I know someone with UD connections who said MU is in the mix for Winston but MSU is still the leader. I did read a story that his parents really like the education he is getting at UD and like the Jesuit environment so maybe that helps.
Wojo should have a couple priests flying with him on his next visit!