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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 25, 2015, 09:01:14 PM
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1. Predictable. Bad team on the road against a good team.
2. Jones and Derrick with the double T's. I was watching those two away from the ball and then when Jones had the ball. Jones was still peeved about getting shut down in Milwaukee. It showed.
3. Carlino and Juan were back, but it was clear that neither was 100%.
4. I wish I could get angrier, but I just can't.
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Really hard to watch the second half, our point guard afraid to shoot or drive, we should have just started launching
threes and see what might happen.
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1. one game closer to end of season
2. defense a problem again.
3. we seem to get drilled early in the 2nd half (coming out of halftime)
4. luke showed some nice things on offense, jajuan was exceptionally bad.
5. pretty much every guy on the team is wildly inconsistent with their play from game to game
6. damage control on the other board is hilarious
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Eyes on next year. I just watch so I can appreciate some of these young guys develop.
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1. Predictable. Bad team on the road against a good team.
2. Jones and Derrick with the double T's. I was watching those two away from the ball and then when Jones had the ball. Jones was still peeved about getting shut down in Milwaukee. It showed.
3. Carlino and Juan were back, but it was clear that neither was 100%.
4. I wish I could get angrier, but I just can't.
nothing to get angry about. As you said, predictable.
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we are not a good team, but it's easy to see we are out manned with only 6 healthy players. Great 25 minutes and then out of gas.
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MU is a collection of skinny kids who can't play defense, rebound or shoot very well.
JJJ, Cohen, Fischer and Du Wilson need to bulk it up because they the opposition just out muscles them in all phases of the game.
Tonight, Butler out rebounded MU 29 to 18, with 12 to 4 on offensive boards. That is just terrible and has been an issue, and will continue to be one. Its like men against boys every team they play. It made you appreciate Crowder or DJO, who had the body for offense and defense.
MU needs a bad ass PF and if Wojo gets anybody who can shoot from the outside, they will have plenty of playing time, freshman or not.
Down three, then the technical and it was ballgame. Dunham was exceptional and so was Woods. Hope Butler makes NCAAs.
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MU is a collection of skinny kids who can't play defense, rebound or shoot very well.
JJJ, Cohen, Fischer and Du Wilson need to bulk it up because they the opposition just out muscles them in all phases of the game.
Tonight, Butler out rebounded MU 29 to 18, with 12 to 4 on offensive boards. That is just terrible and has been an issue, and will continue to be one. Its like men against boys every team they play. It made you appreciate Crowder or DJO, who had the body for offense and defense.
MU needs a bad ass PF and if Wojo gets anybody who can shoot from the outside, they will have plenty of playing time, freshman or not.
Down three, then the technical and it was ballgame. Dunham was exceptional and so was Woods. Hope Butler makes NCAAs.
well they are certainly a lock for the tourney. could see them in the sweet 16
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I was pleased with STJ on O. He's been developing alot and is really showing a lot of good moves recently. Not saying he's going to look like Crowder or Hayward next year but if he's able to add about 3 more PPG I'll be thrilled.
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http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400588470
No surprises here, either.
If JJJ had only played 2 more minutes, I am sure he would have scored a bunch.
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I was pleased with STJ on O. He's been developing alot and is really showing a lot of good moves recently. Not saying he's going to look like Crowder or Hayward next year but if he's able to add about 3 more PPG I'll be thrilled.
i would rather see STJ now for the rest of the season than JA.
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i would rather see STJ now for the rest of the season than JA.
Steve has picked his game up as of late. Both bigs played well tonight.
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I was pleased with STJ on O. He's been developing alot and is really showing a lot of good moves recently. Not saying he's going to look like Crowder or Hayward next year but if he's able to add about 3 more PPG I'll be thrilled.
On O, yes. On defense, however, he gets beaten like a punching bag.
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http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400588470
No surprises here, either.
If JJJ had only played 2 more minutes, I am sure he would have scored a bunch.
I was just about to mention that! WoJo is holding him down and throwing the games!!
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1. one game closer to end of season
2. defense a problem again.
3. we seem to get drilled early in the 2nd half (coming out of halftime)
4. luke showed some nice things on offense, jajuan was exceptionally bad.
5. pretty much every guy on the team is wildly inconsistent with their play from game to game
6. damage control on the other board is hilarious
He only got 23 minutes. If he got those last two, he would have had 13, 5, and 3.
I usually don't join in but I could resist ;D
EDIT: Damn! Tower beat me to it!
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Was really disappointed at our play and coaching. Actually thought we would win tonight.
1. Luke played ok offensively but not defensively.
2. Sandy needs to add muscle and speed up his passing.
3. Derrick cannot play any better. He is just not a winning point guard.
4. Steve played well.
5. Carlin was rusty, but, showed that he is our best player.
6. Dwayne and JJ seemed lost.
7. Juan was not a factor.
8. Wojo blew the game with a technical when we were down three points. Thought he coached the whole game poorly. Hope it was a fluke. He doesn't coach like he played. Poor defense and no attack offense.
This game really makes you wonder about our future.
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You expected MU to beat a ranked team on the road? Really? ::) You also don't remember how Wojo played offense. Look up the stats. Watch some old video. I watched the first 4 minutes of a Duke/UNC game and Wojo did not one time step inside the 3 pt line on offense.
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This is my concern for Wojo, whether it's coaching with his players or Buzz's. As games (and the season) goes further and further, does the team (and players) play better? I would have to say, right now, no - they haven't. They have gotten blown out of numerous games this year. The team has appeared to regress and lack any real improvement. They don't look like they have gotten any better. Buzz Williams is currently neck and neck with Duke, with a team full of players he didn't recruit. So the topic cannot be that Wojo doesn't have his guys. A good coach can compete with the players he has. He plays to their strengths.
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This is my concern for Wojo, whether it's coaching with his players or Buzz's. As games (and the season) goes further and further, does the team (and players) play better? I would have to say, right now, no - they haven't. They have gotten blown out of numerous games this year. The team has appeared to regress and lack any real improvement. They don't look like they have gotten any better. Buzz Williams is currently neck and neck with Duke, with a team full of players he didn't recruit. So the topic cannot be that Wojo doesn't have his guys. A good coach can compete with the players he has. He plays to their strengths.
Buzz has coached others players before. And prior to becoming a head coach, he coached in multiple systems. He is better equipped at this point.
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This is my concern for Wojo, whether it's coaching with his players or Buzz's. As games (and the season) goes further and further, does the team (and players) play better? I would have to say, right now, no - they haven't. They have gotten blown out of numerous games this year. The team has appeared to regress and lack any real improvement. They don't look like they have gotten any better. Buzz Williams is currently neck and neck with Duke, with a team full of players he didn't recruit. So the topic cannot be that Wojo doesn't have his guys. A good coach can compete with the players he has. He plays to their strengths.
Buzz's team is awful this year.
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Was really disappointed at our play and coaching. Actually thought we would win tonight.
And I continue to be amazed by delusional fans who think a severely shorthanded, skinny, small Marquette team is going to go on the road and beat a good team.
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This is my concern for Wojo, whether it's coaching with his players or Buzz's. As games (and the season) goes further and further, does the team (and players) play better? I would have to say, right now, no - they haven't. They have gotten blown out of numerous games this year. The team has appeared to regress and lack any real improvement. They don't look like they have gotten any better. Buzz Williams is currently neck and neck with Duke, with a team full of players he didn't recruit. So the topic cannot be that Wojo doesn't have his guys. A good coach can compete with the players he has. He plays to their strengths.
This post is devoid of any look at reality. As, especially, evidenced by saying VT is neck and neck with Duke. One game does not make a sample size.
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Butler shows the differenece a coach can make. Stephens to last year's coach to this year's coach.
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I mentioned a bad ass PF.
Jamal McKay tonight 21 points, 8 rebounds and 4 blocks. My oh my, Fischer, Ellenson and McKay frontline.........
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Tower, yes I expected we would win with our best player Carlino playing and their 30 point shooter not playing. We almost beat them last time. If you don't expect t them to win, tune out. We want Marquette to win every game. You may be right saying Wojo coaches like he played, poorly on offense. But, what about our highly paid assistant coaches? Their contributions do not show. Nor does Wojo's game coaching. This was a terrible game.
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Have lost 10 of last 11. Hasn't happened since the JFK assassination. MU overmatched all the way around. Kids are playing and struggling but the coaches are seeing what they have and don't have.
Points off turnovers: 16-5 Butler. Second chance points:12-4 Butler. Rebounding: 29-18 Butler. Technicals: 2-1 Marquette. Homer and Mac post-game: Wojo goes MIA, ala Crean. Effort, physicalness, focus and maturity.
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This post is devoid of any look at reality. As, especially, evidenced by saying VT is neck and neck with Duke. One game does not make a sample size.
I mentioned Virginia Tech because they have gotten better and better over the course of the season, including an OT game against the #4 team in the country (Duke). We, Marquette, have been blown out, embarassingly, against Villanova and Butler in a span of several days. Both teams are poor, but one is playing better than there abilities indicate, the other isn't. We have shown little-to-no sign of improvement or development with the team. That is all.
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I mentioned a bad ass PF.
Jamal McKay tonight 21 points, 8 rebounds and 4 blocks. My oh my, Fischer, Ellenson and McKay frontline.........
Except McKay would have been a senior this year if he had stayed so that doesn't work.
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I mentioned a bad ass PF.
Jamal McKay tonight 21 points, 8 rebounds and 4 blocks. My oh my, Fischer, Ellenson and McKay frontline.........
Not possible. McKay would be gone.
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I mentioned Virginia Tech because they have gotten better and better over the course of the season,
Apparently you missed their 76-52 loss to Miami a week ago. Or their 75-54 loss to Clemson a few days before that.
MU's win against providence is much more impressive than their OT loss to Duke.
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If you don't expect them to win, tune out. We want Marquette to win every game.
This is one of the silliest statements ever to appear on Scoop, and that covers a lot of ground.
I want Marquette to win every game. I was a very happy MU student, I loved going to games, and I have followed the Warriors closely ever since. They are the only team, college or pro, that I really root for.
But I also am a realist. This Marquette team is not very good, which is why many, many, many of us picked them to finish below .500 and why every coach or media poll had them finishing 7th or lower.
I absolutely didn't expect them to win tonight but I still watched because I'm a fan. If that's OK with you, of course. Perhaps I should have asked for your permission.
I would have been thrilled, delighted, overjoyed if we had won. But we simply are not good enough, which is why we were huge underdogs coming in.
Just because some of us are pragmatic to know victory is unlikely in a road game against a good team, it doesn't make us any lesser fans than you.
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I mentioned Virginia Tech because they have gotten better and better over the course of the season, including an OT game against the #4 team in the country (Duke). We, Marquette, have been blown out, embarassingly, against Villanova and Butler in a span of several days. Both teams are poor, but one is playing better than there abilities indicate, the other isn't. We have shown little-to-no sign of improvement or development with the team. That is all.
MU has played their conference season with 8 players and part of it with 7, minus their leading scorer. What do you think this teams abilities are capable of right now?
Given I don't catch many VTech basketball (shocking given hiowmuch exposure the ACC is supposed to get you) but I dont understand why Buzz's 2-11 conference record is the model for improvement. Did you forget last season already?
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I mentioned Virginia Tech because they have gotten better and better over the course of the season, including an OT game against the #4 team in the country (Duke). We, Marquette, have been blown out, embarassingly, against Villanova and Butler in a span of several days. Both teams are poor, but one is playing better than there abilities indicate, the other isn't. We have shown little-to-no sign of improvement or development with the team. That is all.
How was the nova game Saturday an embarrassing blowout?
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How was the nova game Saturday an embarrassing blowout?
Agreed. Tonight was really poor, but we actually played pretty damn well vs. Nova. They were just much better than us.
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Was really disappointed at our play and coaching. Actually thought we would win tonight.
This game really makes you wonder about our future.
Glad we're keeping some perspective. FFS.
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How was the nova game Saturday an embarrassing blowout?
It was an embarrassing blowout because that's what he needed it to be to fit his narrative.
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Tower, yes I expected we would win with our best player Carlino playing and their 30 point shooter not playing. We almost beat them last time. If you don't expect t them to win, tune out. We want Marquette to win every game. You may be right saying Wojo coaches like he played, poorly on offense. But, what about our highly paid assistant coaches? Their contributions do not show. Nor does Wojo's game coaching. This was a terrible game.
Then you need to look at things more objectively. Tune out? Never. I attended every home game I was on campus for, even during the first two Dukiet years. This season? Exactly what I expected. There isn't nearly the amount of talent on this team as some would have you believe. Wojo has exceeded my expectations for him this year.
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Then you need to look at things more objectively. Tune out? Never. I attended every home game I was on campus for, even during the first two Dukiet years. This season? Exactly what I expected. There isn't nearly the amount of talent on this team as some would have you believe. Wojo has exceeded my expectations for him this year.
Exceeded your expectations!?! Really? This team has not improved at all since the beginning of the season. They looked better in Orlando than they do now. No one expected this team to make the tourney this year, but this is pathetic. Look at what Holtmann has done with Butler. I Think there are reasons to be concerned about Wojo as a coach. Saying Wojo has exceeded expectations is having your head in the sand.
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1. one game closer to end of season
2. defense a problem again.
3. we seem to get drilled early in the 2nd half (coming out of halftime)
4. luke showed some nice things on offense, jajuan was exceptionally bad.
5. pretty much every guy on the team is wildly inconsistent with their play from game to game
6. damage control on the other board is hilarious
Jajuan was INVISIBLE, couldn't follow-up good game vs Nova......too bad, was hoping he'd turned the corner
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Not possible. McKay would be gone.
McKay is closer to being on The Bucks than he is to playing College basketball.
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Exceeded your expectations!?! Really? This team has not improved at all since the beginning of the season. They looked better in Orlando than they do now. No one expected this team to make the tourney this year, but this is pathetic. Look at what Holtmann has done with Butler. I Think there are reasons to be concerned about Wojo as a coach. Saying Wojo has exceeded expectations is having your head in the sand.
My expectation, with Dawson and Burton sticking around, was 10-14 wins. (Closer to 10, but those were the numbers) My expectation was for a lot more blowouts and a lot fewer close losses. And all of this before I knew the Big East was going to be as tough as it is. And you are wrong. Go back to the 'Way to early poll'. There were a fair number of people expecting 20 wins. And my expectations for Wojo, as a first time head coach who only knew the Duke way with this collection of players was nearly zero. How could it be otherwise? He has shown himself to be a good recruiter and a willingness to at least try something outside his experience. I am not giving up on him because of this season.
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My expectation, with Dawson and Burton sticking around, was 10-14 wins. (Closer to 10, but those were the numbers) My expectation was for a lot more blowouts and a lot fewer close losses. And all of this before I knew the Big East was going to be as tough as it is. And you are wrong. Go back to the 'Way to early poll'. There were a fair number of people expecting 20 wins. And my expectations for Wojo, as a first time head coach who only knew the Duke way with this collection of players was nearly zero. How could it be otherwise? He has shown himself to be a good recruiter and a willingness to at least try something outside his experience. I am not giving up on him because of this season.
I agree that he seems to be a good recruiter and I didn't say I'm giving up on him. I just said there are reasons to be concerned based on what we've seen from a coaching standpoint.
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I mentioned Virginia Tech because they have gotten better and better over the course of the season, including an OT game against the #4 team in the country (Duke). We, Marquette, have been blown out, embarassingly, against Villanova and Butler in a span of several days. Both teams are poor, but one is playing better than there abilities indicate, the other isn't. We have shown little-to-no sign of improvement or development with the team. That is all.
I believe they were blown out their last three games. I suspect Duke took them a bit lightly today and almost paid the price.
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I agree that he seems to be a good recruiter and I didn't say I'm giving up on him. I just said there are reasons to be concerned based on what we've seen from a coaching standpoint.
First year in the big chair. He is learning. If I didn't see the capacity to learn from his mistakes, I would worry. He is far from a finished product.
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I believe they were blown out their last three games. I suspect Duke took them a bit lightly today and almost paid the price.
And VT hit 12 threes. No chance for our guys to do that with Carlino just coming back and looking a little rusty. Anyone expecting any more from this team with the fouls, limited talent and injuries picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue.
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You expected MU to beat a ranked team on the road? Really? ::) You also don't remember how Wojo played offense. Look up the stats. Watch some old video. I watched the first 4 minutes of a Duke/UNC game and Wojo did not one time step inside the 3 pt line on offense.
Yeah, Wojo was not an offensive Guru--defense. But he has not imparted that on the team either. Carlino, Sandy, and Fischer could not guard their people.
And the expectation should be that we are ranked and win on the road.
Let's face it. We... are...DUKIET!!
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Agreed. Tonight was really poor, but we actually played pretty damn well vs. Nova. They were just much better than us.
Yes...we can talk all offseason that we played well against NOVA.
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Then you need to look at things more objectively. Tune out? Never. I attended every home game I was on campus for, even during the first two Dukiet years. This season? Exactly what I expected. There isn't nearly the amount of talent on this team as some would have you believe. Wojo has exceeded my expectations for him this year.
And we all can thank the Bozo Cowboy Buzz for the lack of talent. Thanks, Bert, who said "I will be at Marquette as long as they want me"
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If Buzz had stayed, the roster would look vastly different. And he did stay at MU as long he felt wanted. As far as Dukiet, this is different in that there was no perception of a light at the end of the tunnel. The coach was just plain bad, couldn't recruit, the administration didn't have a plan. This time, it feels like it is going to be a 1-2 year nadir with big things to come.
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Jajuan was INVISIBLE, couldn't follow-up good game vs Nova......too bad, was hoping he'd turned the corner
Nobody turned a corner in this game--including Wojo. But according to some posts above, perhaps the solution is to bring back the Hillbilly.
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If Buzz had stayed, the roster would look vastly different. And he did stay at MU as long he felt wanted.
Slurp...slurp...The Big Gulp!!!
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Proudly. IMO, best coach at MU since Al.
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Look at what Holtmann has done with Butler.
Yes, and all he needed was to get perhaps the best all-around player in the Big East back from a season-long injury, freshmen who didn't follow the previous coach out of town and several maturing players who help make Butler a balanced, deep, experienced squad.
I'm thinking that if Wojo was handed Roosevelt Jones, Kellen Dunham, Alex Barlow, Kameron Woods, Andrew Chrabascz and Kelan Martin, he would have done OK.
Hell, just trade Jones for any player on our roster and we're probably 33% better at least.
Not to downplay Holtmann's contributions at all, because he obviously has done a nice job.
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And all those Butler starters are better than MU starters.
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And we all can thank the Bozo Cowboy Buzz for the lack of talent. Thanks, Bert, who said "I will be at Marquette as long as they want me"
Problem there was Bumstead and the administration each had a different definition of "as long as they want me," hey?
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Wow. Some of you guys worry too much. Nothing will change this year. Our players simply aren't good or developed enough. Next year we'll be significantly better. And in the off chance that 24 months from now Wojo has this team right where it is now the For Sale sign will already be up in front of his house.
References to Dukiet are ridiculous. The difference is that in 2015 Marquette is committed to basketball excellence. I've been a Wojo fan since the day he showed up on campus. The results aren't there.... yet. Should anyone be surprised? A little faith gentlemen.
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Proudly. IMO, best coach at MU since Al.
In Buzz we trust....to go straight down the toilet!!!!
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Wow. Some of you guys worry too much. Nothing will change this year. Our players simply aren't good or developed enough. Next year we'll be significantly better. And in the off chance that 24 months from now Wojo has this team right where it is now the For Sale sign will already be up in front of his house.
References to Dukiet are ridiculous. The difference is that in 2015 Marquette is committed to basketball excellence. I've been a Wojo fan since the day he showed up on campus. The results aren't there.... yet. Should anyone be surprised? A little faith gentlemen.
Totally agree.
Please compare Wojo's first recruiting class to Dukiet's first recruiting class and then decide if Wojo=Dukiet. Or, better yet, wait a freakin' year or three to come to conclusions. Jeesh.
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With Juan, this is a below average rebounding team. Without him (played only six minutes) this is an awful rebounding team.
I am not seeing next year how our rebounding is going to be too much better. Unless Heldt and Ellenson are monsters on the boards it is going to be an issue. Maybe Fischer and Taylor can step up their rebounding?
Would be really nice to recruit a power forward board man for next year.
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Was really disappointed at our play and coaching. Actually thought we would win tonight.
Why? The worst team in the BE playing an experienced, top 25 team on the road? What besides blind optimism lead you to believe that Marquette would win this game?
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http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400588470
No surprises here, either.
If JJJ had only played 2 more minutes, I am sure he would have scored a bunch.
Stats don't count for games with <25 minutes
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Exceeded your expectations!?! Really? This team has not improved at all since the beginning of the season. They looked better in Orlando than they do now. No one expected this team to make the tourney this year, but this is pathetic. Look at what Holtmann has done with Butler. I Think there are reasons to be concerned about Wojo as a coach. Saying Wojo has exceeded expectations is having your head in the sand.
Individual players *have* improved.
Look, the Big East is a good basketball league. It is also physical. Always has been. Marquette is getting KILLED due to lack of physicality. Look at the players Buzz won this league with. Look at the players Wojo has.
Give this team experience, and get some bulk, and it will be better next year. I hope that Wojo understands the need for physical players in this conference.
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In Buzz we trust....to go straight down the toilet!!!!
If 5 trips to the NCAA and S16-S16-E8 is the toilet, sign me up.
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With Juan, this is a below average rebounding team. Without him (played only six minutes) this is an awful rebounding team.
I am not seeing next year how our rebounding is going to be too much better. Unless Heldt and Ellenson are monsters on the boards it is going to be an issue. Maybe Fischer and Taylor can step up their rebounding?
Would be really nice to recruit a power forward board man for next year.
Heldt and Ellenson don't need to be above average rebounders to improve our rebounding, they just need to be serviceable. Right now when Luke goes out everybody plays up a position and our team size suffers. If we have guys of the right height subbing in it will make everybody's deficiencies less noticeable.
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Proudly. IMO, best coach at MU since Al.
Only a hater would argue otherwise.
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Heldt and Ellenson don't need to be above average rebounders to improve our rebounding, they just need to be serviceable. Right now when Luke goes out everybody plays up a position and our team size suffers. If we have guys of the right height subbing in it will make everybody's deficiencies less noticeable.
Have to disagree. Luke has not shown to be anything more than an average rebounder this year. Steve is a solid rebounder. Our '3' spot next year does not look like a great rebounding position either. Unless Ellenson will be playing that position consistently.
Unless Ellenson and Heldt are above average rebounders, or we get another big next year, we are going to struggle on the boards just like we are this year.
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Heldt and Ellenson don't need to be above average rebounders to improve our rebounding, they just need to be serviceable. Right now when Luke goes out everybody plays up a position and our team size suffers. If we have guys of the right height subbing in it will make everybody's deficiencies less noticeable.
Yep. When your PG has to go down in the land of the giants to try to box out and rebound.
I have pretty high hopes for Steve next year. I like the way he works with Luke and I think a summer of working at the 4 while Luke and Matt bang at the 5 will help. All summer Steve will be working hard to stop Hammerin' Hank, hopefully failing more than he succeeds but growing from the process His D will improve along with his rebounding. Wojo will ask him to do one or two things well and I think he will.
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Have to disagree. Luke has not shown to be anything more than an average rebounder this year. Steve is a solid rebounder. Our '3' spot next year does not look like a great rebounding position either. Unless Ellenson will be playing that position consistently.
Unless Ellenson and Heldt are above average rebounders, or we get another big next year, we are going to struggle on the boards just like we are this year.
When Luke comes out this year, Steve is the 5, Juan (or worse) is the 4, and Jajuan (or worse) is the 3. Next year, when Luke goes out, Heldt is the 5, Steve/Henry is the 4, Henry (or worse) is the 3. Steve is a decent rebounder but will be a better rebounder as a 4 than a 5. Factor in that Luke and Steve don't play together all that much this year, and I think just team size will give us some improvement. I'm not saying it will make us a great rebounding team, but this year we are so bad that we might become an average rebounding team just by increasing team size.
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I hope next year's 4 (or possibly 3) isn't on the team yet.
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Not that I think MU should cash it in for the season, but at this point I am happy with tourney-bound BE conference teams not stumbling at the end of the season. A strong conference showing in the tourney in these early years is important to MU's long-term success.
If MU can win one game in the BET that will be a positive way to end the season and something for the seniors to hang their hat on.
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If 5 trips to the NCAA and S16-S16-E8 is the toilet, sign me up.
Yep--that worked out for you last year--you are now signed up for the toilet chute. 17-15 punches your ticket, along with the phony BS of Buzz as the endorsement.
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Buzz has coached others players before. And prior to becoming a head coach, he coached in multiple systems. He is better equipped at this point.
Well apparently all that experience as an Assistant coach under Mike Krzyzewski went over his head.
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I hope next year's 4 (or possibly 3) isn't on the team yet.
Or 1.
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I just don't know what people expect Wojo to do. Everyone says "he isn't making adjustments."
Like what? There are 8 guys on the team. There were 6 against Nova. What adjustments can he make? He's already changed defenses. This is the worst shooting team Marquette has had in years, despite being a better 3 point shooting team since DJO was on the roster. No one physical enough to attack the basket. No one consistent enough from the outside.
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Yep--that worked out for you last year--you are now signed up for the toilet chute. 17-15 punches your ticket, along with the phony BS of Buzz as the endorsement.
You are the definition of instant gratification. Did you even enjoy the sweet 16 years?
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I just don't know what people expect Wojo to do. Everyone says "he isn't making adjustments."
Like what? There are 8 guys on the team. There were 6 against Nova. What adjustments can he make? He's already changed defenses. This is the worst shooting team Marquette has had in years, despite being a better 3 point shooting team since DJO was on the roster. No one physical enough to attack the basket. No one consistent enough from the outside.
I think lost in the "number of players argument" are the significant deficits that exist with the players we do have. You point out some of those, but that doesn't factor everything. The lack of outside shooting coupled with this years' lack of muscle on everyone but Derrick (which pays no offensive dividend) is a horrible combination. So you pull Juan and add JJJ. Does anyone but one seriously think this is going to make a difference? Now pull Carlino, the only guy that can really create his own shot from the perimeter, and we see what happens. Its not just the lack of parts, its the lack of high quality parts.
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With Juan, this is a below average rebounding team. Without him (played only six minutes) this is an awful rebounding team.
I am not seeing next year how our rebounding is going to be too much better. Unless Heldt and Ellenson are monsters on the boards it is going to be an issue. Maybe Fischer and Taylor can step up their rebounding?
Would be really nice to recruit a power forward board man for next year.
This team is one of the very worst rebounding teams in all of division 1. If memory serves we were brutally dominated on the boards by early season cupcakes such as Tennessee Martin and Nebraska-Omaha.
We have two great low-post prospects coming in and I'd imagine at least one juco/grad. In addition, these kids will get an entire offseason of Wojo beating them over the head with the importance of rebounds. All of these guys have room for improvement, especially Fischer given that he is somehow always out of position and/or out-muscled.
We will be taller at most positions next year, especially when substitutions are made... Sandy (6'5", 110lbs) won't need to play power forward, etc.
It's hard for me to imagine this team being as bad next year, it will be a huge failure for Wojo if they don't make any improvements. Even if we go from being obscenely unlucky to mostly unlucky we should see improvement.
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This team is one of the very worst rebounding teams in all of division 1. If memory serves we were brutally dominated on the boards by early season cupcakes such as Tennessee Martin and Nebraska-Omaha.
We have two great low-post prospects coming in and I'd imagine at least one juco/grad. In addition, these kids will get an entire offseason of Wojo beating them over the head with the importance of rebounds. All of these guys have room for improvement, especially Fischer given that he is somehow always out of position and/or out-muscled.
We will be taller at most positions next year, especially when substitutions are made... Sandy (6'5", 110lbs) won't need to play power forward, etc.
It's hard for me to imagine this team being as bad next year, it will be a huge failure for Wojo if they don't make any improvements. Even if we go from being obscenely unlucky to mostly unlucky we should see improvement.
MU will have 3 good players starting next year, Fisher, Ellenson and Duane Wilson. Need 2 players out of the other 7 to step up, then they could be better, but those 2 are the ones that will make a difference. Whomever it will be the team will be very young, I see 2016-17 being a really much improved team as Taylor is the only loss. Next year will be a transition year as well.
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MU will have 3 good players starting next year, Fisher, Ellenson and Duane Wilson. Need 2 players out of the other 7 to step up, then they could be better, but those 2 are the ones that will make a difference. Whomever it will be the team will be very young, I see 2016-17 being a really much improved team as Taylor is the only loss. Next year will be a transition year as well.
Yeah I'm not convinced yet that we'll be better overall but I think that when it comes to rebounding, I bet we'll improve.
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And all those Butler starters are better than MU starters.
This. The reality is we have a team of guys that have tremendous shooting issues and are just not strong enough physically for this league.
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Yeah I'm not convinced yet that we'll be better overall but I think that when it comes to rebounding, I bet we'll improve.
While I see next year as more of a bridge year to 2016-17, I will be highly disappointed if we are not a better, more competitive and well-rounded team.
I hope Henry can be a difference maker but I don't want to put unrealistic expectations on him and the other freshman and any other potential spring signings.
We'll see what kind of improvement Duane, Luke, Sandy and JJJ make over the offseason. They all definitely need to get much stronger. Their improvement may be an indication of what we have with Wojo because it is way too early to make a determination at this point.
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The next 2 scholarship players will tell you if we will be better. I would only try and get 2 players so you can add 2 the following year. Need a point but also a player who has some girth who can rebound, last night was a joke on the boards.
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If 5 trips to the NCAA and S16-S16-E8 is the toilet, sign me up.
What stall you want, Bro? Some are already occupied, so to speak.
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Was really disappointed at our play and coaching. Actually thought we would win tonight.
1. Luke played ok offensively but not defensively.
2. Sandy needs to add muscle and speed up his passing.
3. Derrick cannot play any better. He is just not a winning point guard.
4. Steve played well.
5. Carlin was rusty, but, showed that he is our best player.
6. Dwayne and JJ seemed lost.
7. Juan was not a factor.
8. Wojo blew the game with a technical when we were down three points. Thought he coached the whole game poorly. Hope it was a fluke. He doesn't coach like he played. Poor defense and no attack offense.
This game really makes you wonder about our future.
Some couldn't spell the last Dwyane's name right, so why should we spell this Duane's name right?
And really? You thought we were going to win?
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I mentioned a bad ass PF.
Jamal McKay tonight 21 points, 8 rebounds and 4 blocks. My oh my, Fischer, Ellenson and McKay frontline.........
I agree, but he would have been a junior last year, senior this year. So he wouldn't have played with Ellenson. We would be a much, much better team this year with McKay, however.
As for the game, we suck. Its that simple. Baseball season cannot come soon enough. I have never been so disinterested in an MU game as I was last night.
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I mentioned a bad ass PF.
Jamal McKay tonight 21 points, 8 rebounds and 4 blocks. My oh my, Fischer, Ellenson and McKay frontline.........
Never would've happened. Either McKay leaves or he plays last year and this year. No Hank, McKay, Fischer.
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I mentioned Virginia Tech because they have gotten better and better over the course of the season, including an OT game against the #4 team in the country (Duke). We, Marquette, have been blown out, embarassingly, against Villanova and Butler in a span of several days. Both teams are poor, but one is playing better than there abilities indicate, the other isn't. We have shown little-to-no sign of improvement or development with the team. That is all.
Uhh...VT's last 4 games...loss by 21 to Clemson, loss by 24 to Miami, loss by 16 to NC State, and loss by 5 to Duke. Your 1 game sample size doesn't fit the actual facts.
1 team has been healthy and has a full roster, 1 team has been playing with 6 healthy guys for the last 2 games.
If you're going to talk, at least know what you're saying.
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Yeah I'm not convinced yet that we'll be better overall but I think that when it comes to rebounding, I bet we'll improve.
Eh they'll for sure be better, how much is a different question.
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Yeah I'm not convinced yet that we'll be better overall but I think that when it comes to rebounding, I bet we'll improve.
Funny. I am seeing the opposite. I think we will be in contention for a NCAA bid next year. NIT as a minimum. However, I am concerned about the rebounding. It will be our weakness unless Ellenson/Heldt are really good boardmen.
Still hoping for a '4' who will be signed to help.
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Funny. I am seeing the opposite. I think we will be in contention for a NCAA bid next year. NIT as a minimum. However, I am concerned about the rebounding. It will be our weakness unless Ellenson/Heldt are really good boardmen.
Still hoping for a '4' who will be signed to help.
I'd be very happy with an NIT bid next season.
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Yep--that worked out for you last year--you are now signed up for the toilet chute. 17-15 punches your ticket, along with the phony BS of Buzz as the endorsement.
What a whiner. Buzz lead Marquette to it's best 5 year run since Al and all you can do is sulk, whine, and call people names. Life must be so unfair to you.
Back you go on ignore.
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Our rebounding will improve dramatically next season if we play Mache 25+ mpg.
He's averaging 1.0 rpg in 1.0 mpg this year...he'll be an absolute monster if Wojo doesn't hold him down by playing mind games.
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Funny. I am seeing the opposite. I think we will be in contention for a NCAA bid next year. NIT as a minimum. However, I am concerned about the rebounding. It will be our weakness unless Ellenson/Heldt are really good boardmen.
Still hoping for a '4' who will be signed to help.
What is the opposite of not sure yet? I took a neutral position. ?-(
But I'm pretty surprised that you think our rebounding will be worse, I can't imagine what that will look like. From my view we aren't really losing anything on the front court and we're gaining offseason experience and at least two very capable bodies... We are losing Juan, who has been a valuable rebounder, but from what I've seen I think he's replaceable.
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What a whiner. Buzz lead Marquette to it's best 5 year run since Al and all you can do is sulk, whine, and call people names. Life must be so unfair to you.
Back you go on ignore.
I like it. I will hereby begin every post to him with, 'Well, willie whiner".......
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What is the opposite of not sure yet? I took a neutral position. ?-(
But I'm pretty surprised that you think our rebounding will be worse, I can't imagine what that will look like. From my view we aren't really losing anything on the front court and we're gaining offseason experience and at least two very capable bodies... We are losing Juan, who has been a valuable rebounder, but from what I've seen I think he's replaceable.
Looks like we are both misunderstanding one another as I have never stated in the thread our rebounding is going to be worse. However, I don't see it improving all that much. Unless Ellenson is a force on the boards (maybe Heldt?) or a '4' we don't know about is joining the team, I think it will be a weakness next year.
That said, I think we will be much improved in other aspects. I really think the NIT is our minimum next year.
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That said, I think we will be much improved in other aspects. I really think the NIT is our minimum next year.
I think that's setting the floor way too high. Last year MU was 17-11 (9-9) and still missed the NIT.