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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: moomoo on February 09, 2015, 12:22:22 PM
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**UConn is the latest school to offer uncommitted 2015 point guard Traci Carter of Burlington (N.J.) Life Center, who told SNY.tv the offer felt “wonderful” and he planned to visit. Pervis Ellison, Carter’s coach, previously said he was under impression that UConn “needs a point guard bad” even though they have Jalen Adams of Brewster (N.H.) Academy coming in. Carter, who also recently picked up offers from N.C. State, Xavier and Marquette, also attended Sunday’s Ohio State-Rutgers game.
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Rated by Scout's Evan Daniels as the second best uncommitted PG in the class of 2015.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1511625-top-5-available-senior-pg-s?s=75
After sitting out last spring and summer due to an injury, Traci Carter is back and starting to reach 100-percent. At the Hoop Hall Classic a few weeks ago, Carter impressed with his toughness, playmaking ability and his on the ball defense. He’s streaky from long-range, but Carter, who shoots a high arcing jump shot, is capable of getting it going. He’s also a good pull-up jump shooter. This will be a quality late pick up for a high-major program.
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What was his injury?
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What was his injury?
Torn meniscus.
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Never nervous Pervis Ellinson? same guy from U of L?
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Creighton offered last Tuesday
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Torn meniscus.
Thanks.
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Never nervous Pervis Ellinson? same guy from U of L?
The same. Haven't heard his name in forever, since I was a kid and we thought he name was hilarious cause it sounded kind of like "pervert". I don't think I ever realized he was the #1 pick in his draft, wow.
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Marquette has definitely shown interest, though not sure we've actually offered yet. Been hoping Wojo would offer, Carter seems like maybe the best high school point guard left.
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Live in Jersey. Actively follow boys hoops. Never heard of Carter. Then again, Life Center doesn't play too many NJ schools.
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Never nervous Pervis Ellinson? same guy from U of L?
Yes. His son Malik - also an uncommitted 2015 w/HM interest - is there as well.
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Carter announced that MU will be one of two official visits he's got coming up.
Good sign, I hope.
Carter sets a pair of visits
Evan Daniels Director of Recruiting
Four-star guard Traci Carter is starting to set up official visits.
Traci Carter, one of the top available point guards in the 2015 class, is now in the process of setting up official visits
According to Carter's mentor, Donnie Carr, he has two official visits on tap.
"One to Xavier on February 28th and another one to Marquette on March 7th," Carr informed Scout.
"We're still in the process of setting up three more official visits," he added.
Among the schools in the running for Carter's official visits are Connecticut, Memphis, California, Seton Hall, Boston College, North Carolina State, Creighton, Temple, Penn State, UMass, LaSalle and George Mason.
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Streaky and high arcing shot pretty much means bad. Not sure if I can deal with more PGs that can't shoot. Junior and then Derrick, hard to watch.
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Carter announced that MU will be one of two official visits he's got coming up.
Good sign, I hope.
Carter sets a pair of visits
Evan Daniels Director of Recruiting
Four-star guard Traci Carter is starting to set up official visits.
Traci Carter, one of the top available point guards in the 2015 class, is now in the process of setting up official visits
According to Carter's mentor, Donnie Carr, he has two official visits on tap.
"One to Xavier on February 28th and another one to Marquette on March 7th," Carr informed Scout.
"We're still in the process of setting up three more official visits," he added.
Among the schools in the running for Carter's official visits are Connecticut, Memphis, California, Seton Hall, Boston College, North Carolina State, Creighton, Temple, Penn State, UMass, LaSalle and George Mason.
Great news. Get it done Wojo.
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Streaky and high arcing shot pretty much means bad. Not sure if I can deal with more PGs that can't shoot. Junior and then Derrick, hard to watch.
High arching >>>>>>>>> line drive.
Streaky >>>>>>> never makes it.
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His Scout and Future150 profiles both list 3 point shooting as a strength, FWIW.
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This should be a very good gauge on how good Wojo will recruit going forward. We definitely need a PG. We are going against some good programs like UConn, Xavier, NC State, Creighton, etc. May be tough to pull him from N.J. to the Midwest..
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I know you only get to see the makes in these videos, but his mechanics look pretty good. Finishes well with both hands, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBT3CqS5C20
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This should be a very good gauge on how good Wojo will recruit going forward. We definitely need a PG. We are going against some good programs like UConn, Xavier, NC State, Creighton, etc. May be tough to pull him from N.J. to the Midwest..
I agree this would be an impressive get by Wojo with some major competition going after him. Sacar was a solid addition, but didn't have anywhere near the caliber schools going after him as Carter. Hopefully Wojo can sell him on being the only true PG on the roster.
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Finishes well with both hands, too.
Ick
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I'd love to see this kid at MU. He is a solid point guard with vision and a decent defender. Could be a contributor for years to come.
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From that video he looks a bit like a bulkier Du Wilson. Similar sort of quick gait and rise up.
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He looks like an excellent fit and the timing is right.
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GO GET'UM---AMEN! As mentioned, we need a PG. REAL BAD!.
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Regardless if Duane were to start at PG next year, Traci certainly knows he'd play a significant role right out of the box his Freshman year. That can't hurt our chances one bit.
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The latest at 24/7 has him going to Xavier or UConn.
On a side note, Mark Miller has NN going to USC. Guess NN took a tour of their campus. The scenery there could get many guys to commit on the spot.
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The latest at 24/7 has him going to Xavier or UConn.
On a side note, Mark Miller has NN going to USC. Guess NN took a tour of their campus. The scenery there could get many guys to commit on the spot.
Zag's blog makes it sound like Xavier and us since we're the only two schools who have definitely made his top five at this point with Carter still trying to decide on the other three. Hopefully, that's the case.
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The latest at 24/7 has him going to Xavier or UConn.
On a side note, Mark Miller has NN going to USC. Guess NN took a tour of their campus. The scenery there could get many guys to commit on the spot.
Let's not confuse USC with UCLA, hey?
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The latest at 24/7 has him going to Xavier or UConn.
On a side note, Mark Miller has NN going to USC. Guess NN took a tour of their campus. The scenery there could get many guys to commit on the spot.
As long as you stay on campus. Once you exit, good luck. Makes Marquette's area look like Beverly Hills.
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No reason he can't be a Tony Miller and step in from day one and start at PG. That's got to be a huge advantage for us in his recruitment. I haven't looked at the other schools competing for him, but they can't be any more ready made for starter duty next year than @ MU at his position.
Would be great to follow up Sacar's commit with this kid.
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Can he shoot it? The only legitimate perimeter shooting threat at PG since Diener has been Acker, and he really wasn't a true PG IMO. Diener and prior we had lots of good shooting PG's - Henry, my man Hutch. Can't win big at this level without one.
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Can he shoot it? The only legitimate perimeter shooting threat at PG since Diener has been Acker, and he really wasn't a true PG IMO. Diener and prior we had lots of good shooting PG's - Henry, my man Hutch. Can't win big at this level without one.
Totally agree, which is why Duane will be the PG next year. And I'm 100% good with that. Can't imagine any freshman coming in and being better. That said, they need a backup PG and Carter sounds like a good one.
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Streaky and high arcing shot pretty much means bad. Not sure if I can deal with more PGs that can't shoot. Junior and then Derrick, hard to watch.
I hear ya esoteric, but if you surrond him with enough solid scorers and shooters, it doesn't have to be a negative. Tony Miller was only a fair shooter, but he was at least a threat that opposing teams had to respect.
Plus, if he can at least knock down FT's at a 70% clip or better, that's even more critical.
That said, I was hoping to hear other adjectives to describe his shooting. Oh well. Still sounds like a very solid player overall, brings more to the table than Derrick offensively (not saying much I know).
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Hopefully Wojo can sell him on being the only true PG on the roster.
Screw that, can be much more persuasive by telling the kid, if you're the real deal when you get to campus and start practice, the keys to our PG job is yours Traci. And it wouldn't be selling him a lie by any stretch.
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Duane was considered a PG when he got here too. Sometimes I think you just gotta see how the kid plays.
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As long as you stay on campus. Once you exit, good luck. Makes Marquette's area look like Beverly Hills.
I was referring to the females. In that department, NN would be going from the outhouse to the penthouse.
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Obviously, I have an overwhelming bias where I want this kid to play, but I can't help or ignore the fact that he's only picked two of his five schools to visit so far, and we're one of the two. I really do believe there has to be something to that.
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Wouldn't read too much inta that. Maybe it just works out that way schedule wise, hey?
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Wouldn't read too much inta that. Maybe it just works out that way schedule wise, hey?
Maybe, but couldn't you say the same about any school he's still considering, i.e., he could have fit those he's most interested in if he wanted.
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Obviously, I have an overwhelming bias where I want this kid to play, but I can't help or ignore the fact that he's only picked two of his five schools to visit so far, and we're one of the two. I really do believe there has to be something to that.
Maybe some "over forty" weirdos can follow him on twitter!
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I have heard that the coaches very much prefer Duane at the 2. He is developing into an excellent scorer (although he needs to figure out how to finish those bunnies at the rim - his amount of those misses is so maddening) and if you move him to the point, you take away your best scoring guard and move Duane to a position he's not nearly as effective playing. All of that being said, the staff is making it a great point to find a couple of PGs. I foolishly posted it way back in the Sacar Anim thread, but Wojo has gone to see Traci play in Philly a couple of times (most recently, last week when we didn't have a game and Wojo had that "Out recruiting. We Are Marquette" tweet that opened up the Twitter can of worms discussions here).
From what I was told, Traci Carter has been made just as great a priority as Sacar Anim was. It just hasn't gotten nearly as much publicity. And the staff is confident in their chances, especially after today's announcement that we're currently one of the first schools he said he would visit. His stock is certainly rising this spring, and he would likely be a Top 100 rated player had he not gotten injured last year. I'm not sure who else will get visits but we will be tough to beat because of our staff and his ability to heavily contribute from day 1.
IMO, a perfect spring would include (in addition to Anim):
-Carter
-O'Field or Ty Outlaw
-JUCO or Grad Transfer PG - who knows who this could end up being
Wojo is making moves - excited to see how it unfolds.
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Obviously, I have an overwhelming bias where I want this kid to play, but I can't help or ignore the fact that he's only picked two of his five schools to visit so far, and we're one of the two. I really do believe there has to be something to that.
He made Xavier and Marquette his priority visits. Those will likely be his only two game day visits. Honestly, it may end up being his top two simply based on timing. Can't imagine visits during conference tournaments the next week. Need to hope he decides by mid March, especially as some of the other teams involved could still be playing.
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What a difference a great point guard will make. We haven't had one since DJ or Travis. Take a look at Notre Dame and the impact their point guard has this season. Traci can be a difference maker at Marquette. It's almost hard to imagine having a point guard who can shoot field goals and free throws.
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What a difference a great point guard will make. We haven't had one since DJ or Travis. Take a look at Notre Dame and the impact their point guard has this season. Traci can be a difference maker at Marquette. It's almost hard to imagine having a point guard who can shoot field goals and free throws.
We haven't had one for more than a year since Diener.
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No reason he can't be a Tony Miller and step in from day one and start at PG. That's got to be a huge advantage for us in his recruitment. I haven't looked at the other schools competing for him, but they can't be any more ready made for starter duty next year than @ MU at his position.
Would be great to follow up Sacar's commit with this kid.
Let's not get carried away here. We have not landed him yet, and he has not played a game at MU. Duane was a PG and good outside shooter when we landed him, and 2/3 of this board when polled felt he should not play PG. Very often Freshman a year or so to adjust. Now it looks like more and more are saying they are fine with Duane playing PG next year. We should get a look at him this year to see how he handles it.
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GO GET'UM---AMEN! As mentioned, we need a PG. REAL BAD!.
Can't resist it with this segue....this year! Ooops...too late! Year over.
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We haven't had one for more than a year since Diener.
Lil Bit was as close as MU got on this and that was his senior year.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/marquette/maurice-acker
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Lil Bit was as close as MU got on this and that was his senior year.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/marquette/maurice-acker
Yup. Acker was excellent, but only for that one year. I'm really hoping Wojo can bring some quality and stability to that position.
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Let's not get carried away here. We have not landed him yet, and he has not played a game at MU. Duane was a PG and good outside shooter when we landed him, and 2/3 of this board when polled felt he should not play PG. Very often Freshman a year or so to adjust. Now it looks like more and more are saying they are fine with Duane playing PG next year. We should get a look at him this year to see how he handles it.
I have to admit that we normally don't see eye to eye on posts, but I agree with your sentiments here. No need to put carts before horses yet. Duane should see some run at PG and I believe Carter could be a really nice piece to pair with him at that spot. There are plenty of minutes to give at the PG position next year. If Carter shows some nice ball control and that he can distribute well for 10-12 mins a game, I'd say that is a huge benefit.
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For some of you guys more in the know....
No doubt Wojo has a Plan B if he can't land Carter. Anyone want to toss out any names, opinions? I'm suspecting that he'd look to the Juco ranks because counting on an immediately eligible transfer is risky at best as previously discussed.
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I have heard that the coaches very much prefer Duane at the 2. He is developing into an excellent scorer (although he needs to figure out how to finish those bunnies at the rim - his amount of those misses is so maddening) and if you move him to the point, you take away your best scoring guard and move Duane to a position he's not nearly as effective playing. All of that being said, the staff is making it a great point to find a couple of PGs. I foolishly posted it way back in the Sacar Anim thread, but Wojo has gone to see Traci play in Philly a couple of times (most recently, last week when we didn't have a game and Wojo had that "Out recruiting. We Are Marquette" tweet that opened up the Twitter can of worms discussions here).
From what I was told, Traci Carter has been made just as great a priority as Sacar Anim was. It just hasn't gotten nearly as much publicity. And the staff is confident in their chances, especially after today's announcement that we're currently one of the first schools he said he would visit. His stock is certainly rising this spring, and he would likely be a Top 100 rated player had he not gotten injured last year. I'm not sure who else will get visits but we will be tough to beat because of our staff and his ability to heavily contribute from day 1.
IMO, a perfect spring would include (in addition to Anim):
-Carter
-O'Field or Ty Outlaw
-JUCO or Grad Transfer PG - who knows who this could end up being
Wojo is making moves - excited to see how it unfolds.
Great info. I agree that Duane is best at the 2. He can do some PG things in transition and handle the ball enough to be the 2nd or 3rd PG. But when the PG brings the ball across half court to start the offense I prefer Duane being the one catching the pass on the wing instead of making it. He's poised to be our primary or secondary scorer next year and moving him off the wing leaves a question of who replaces that wing scoring.
Carter and a grad transfer would be great, then get another PG in 2016. If MU goes JUCO, Dequon Miller is the PG I'd want. O'Field or Outlaw for the combo forward role that Juan Anderson plays would be nice. Then BPA to replace Steve Taylor, hopefully a 3/4 or 4/5 type.
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For some of you guys more in the know....
No doubt Wojo has a Plan B if he can't land Carter. Anyone want to toss out any names, opinions? I'm suspecting that he'd look to the Juco ranks because counting on an immediately eligible transfer is risky at best as previously discussed.
Dequon Miller is definitely one they will be looking at if Carter doesn't work
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Dequon Miller is definitely one they will be looking at if Carter doesn't work
From Motlow St. College. Has a long list of suitors.
Also have seen Outlaw's teammate Shawn Smith at Lee College, who transferred there from A&M. I am not sure he is a high major player though.
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Thanks guys. I just read up on Dequon. UT would be his most obvious choice but my instinct tells me he'd love to be given an opportunity to suit up for the Warriors and will likely wait this out awhile.
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I read a thread on the Tennessee board about Dequon Miller, and got the impression that if he was really going there, he would have already committed.
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I read a thread on the Tennessee board about Dequon Miller, and got the impression that if he was really going there, he would have already committed.
I think you're right. The tea leaves seem to suggest UT is his safety school choice and that he'd jump at an opportunity to play for Wojo. Funny how this all works. While this is 100% pure speculation, we wait on Carter, and UT waits on Dequon quite possibly because he's Plan B at MU and knows it. Then hypothetically you throw in a UT deadline where the offer is good only for 2 more weeks, etc. Gotta be hard on these kids.
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I think you're right. The tea leaves seem to suggest UT is his safety school choice and that he'd jump at an opportunity to play for Wojo. Funny how this all works. While this is 100% pure speculation, we wait on Carter, and UT waits on Dequon quite possibly because he's Plan B at MU and knows it. Then hypothetically you throw in a UT deadline where the offer is good only for 2 more weeks, etc. Gotta be hard on these kids.
That sure is some speculation. They could take both since they would be in different classes BTW. Not sure really how much interest Miller has in MU.
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I guess I read it the other way, that Tennessee ultimately didn't offer him. But that was coming from the Vols point of view, so who knows.
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That sure is some speculation. They could take both since they would be in different classes BTW. Not sure really how much interest Miller has in MU.
Not to be one of 'those' guys but every time he gets mentioned with #mubb he retweets, as recently as the last day or two. I looked at his list Sultan. If that's the extent of it, I feel pretty strongly that he'd hop on a bus tonight if Wojo asked him to. Lighthouse might be right. Perhaps UT cooled. Anyway, I hope it all works out for these kids. Damn tough business.
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Not to be one of 'those' guys but every time he gets mentioned with #mubb he retweets, as recently as the last day or two. I looked at his list Sultan. If that's the extent of it, I feel pretty strongly that he'd hop on a bus tonight if Wojo asked him to. Lighthouse might be right. Perhaps UT cooled. Anyway, I hope it all works out for these kids. Damn tough business.
Seems like a really hungry kid that seems very interested in Marquette. Like you said about his RT's... he even retweeted something I was discussing with Brew about prospective Marquette players that didn't even have an "at" mention to him...merely his name.
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From Motlow St. College. Has a long list of suitors.
Also have seen Outlaw's teammate Shawn Smith at Lee College, who transferred there from A&M. I am not sure he is a high major player though.
Shawn is a good kid...but his grades were a mess. TAMU is a little more rigorous than MU but I think he would struggle here. On the court he showed good potential. He average around 6 ppg as a freshman if I remember correctly.
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Shawn is a good kid...but his grades were a mess. TAMU is a little more rigorous than MU but I think he would struggle here. On the court he showed good potential. He average around 6 ppg as a freshman if I remember correctly.
Had heard that about his academics, though my main worry is on court. I realize he's on a good team, but Smith is probably the third guy I'd want off that Lee College team. I think when you're looking at any JUCO for this level, you need to be looking at guys that are the best players on their team. That just doesn't seem to describe Smith. Hoping the staff looks elsewhere.
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Can he shoot it? The only legitimate perimeter shooting threat at PG since Diener has been Acker, and he really wasn't a true PG IMO. Diener and prior we had lots of good shooting PG's - Henry, my man Hutch. Can't win big at this level without one.
Hutch, a point guard? Only by the standard of he's only 5'10", so he must be the point guard. The truth is Hutch was a very good two guard in a point guard's body.
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I hear ya esoteric, but if you surrond him with enough solid scorers and shooters, it doesn't have to be a negative. Tony Miller was only a fair shooter, but he was at least a threat that opposing teams had to respect.
Plus, if he can at least knock down FT's at a 70% clip or better, that's even more critical.
That said, I was hoping to hear other adjectives to describe his shooting. Oh well. Still sounds like a very solid player overall, brings more to the table than Derrick offensively (not saying much I know).
I don't recall Tony Miller getting much respect for his shot from opposing defenses. They were all hoping he'd shoot instead of getting the ball inside which he was very good at.
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I don't recall Tony Miller getting much respect for his shot from opposing defenses. They were all hoping he'd shoot instead of getting the ball inside which he was very good at.
There is absolutely no comparison between Tony Miller and Derrick. None. De Nada. Would take Tony over Derrick anytime.
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http://delgrecowilson.com/2015/02/18/a-tough-philly-guard-the-recruitment-of-traci-carter/
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Maybe PhillyCoach can chime in, hey?
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Shawn is a good kid...but his grades were a mess. TAMU is a little more rigorous than MU but I think he would struggle here. On the court he showed good potential. He average around 6 ppg as a freshman if I remember correctly.
That is funny according to my contacts in Austin.
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That is funny according to my contacts in Austin.
Austin is way easier than TAMU.
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http://delgrecowilson.com/2015/02/18/a-tough-philly-guard-the-recruitment-of-traci-carter/
Sounds like a great kid and a very good player. Some here will see red flags (kicked out of a high school, 2 knee surgeries). I say go get him, Wojo.
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Wojo visiting Carter today.
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Wojo visiting Carter today.
Source?
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Source?
https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/571021155366248448
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https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/571021155366248448
#donedeal
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Would like Dequon Miller or Traci Carter. Carter is a Philadelphia player in one story and New Jersey on the other. But plays
against good competition. Don't know much about Miller's competition. Sounds like either one is a solid PG. O'Field in a heart beat.
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Austin is way easier than TAMU.
Don't know what happens when kids get there, but published ACT and SAT numbers seem to indicate that A&M is easier to get into (SAT 25%/75% range 1560-1900 for A&M; 1670-2060 for UT). Do more kids get weeded out at A&M?
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Carter announced that MU will be one of two official visits he's got coming up.
Good sign, I hope.
Carter sets a pair of visits
Evan Daniels Director of Recruiting
Four-star guard Traci Carter is starting to set up official visits.
Traci Carter, one of the top available point guards in the 2015 class, is now in the process of setting up official visits
According to Carter's mentor, Donnie Carr, he has two official visits on tap.
"One to Xavier on February 28th and another one to Marquette on March 7th," Carr informed Scout.
"We're still in the process of setting up three more official visits," he added.
Among the schools in the running for Carter's official visits are Connecticut, Memphis, California, Seton Hall, Boston College, North Carolina State, Creighton, Temple, Penn State, UMass, LaSalle and George Mason.
OK, he's visiting on Senior Day so let's beat DePaul and treat our current PG with some respect as he receives his farewell, let's hope that one guy from this board (#TheIgnoredOne) is not there in ear-shot of Mr. Carter
With this current staff and this teams need this is a great place for a point guard to play and develop
Go Warriors!!!
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OK, he's visiting on Senior Day so let's beat DePaul and treat our current PG with some respect as he receives his farewell, let's hope that one guy from this board (#TheIgnoredOne) is not there in ear-shot of Mr. Carter
With this current staff and this teams need this is a great place for a point guard to play and develop
Go Warriors!!!
I'm sure the one you speak of will ask Carter if he ever played high school basketball.
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I'm sure the one you speak of will ask Carter if he ever played high school basketball.
@ an ELITE level
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Austin is way easier than TAMU.
I was attempting humor for Texans.
Have you ever been in an office in TX? (You probably have) You can tell where a person went to school looking at his cube or office wall. And everyone piles on the Aggies.
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That is funny according to my contacts in Austin.
It is commonly known that A&M is where Texans go who are too smart to end up at UT.
Don't know what happens when kids get there, but published ACT and SAT numbers seem to indicate that A&M is easier to get into (SAT 25%/75% range 1560-1900 for A&M; 1670-2060 for UT). Do more kids get weeded out at A&M?
Not necessarily. But UT is the more popular school. Partying, night life, and athletics (until recently) are all better at UT. Because they get more applications but have less space on campus, they can be more selective. A&M gets less applications and has larger class sizes.
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It is commonly known that A&M is where Texans go who are too smart to end up at UT.
I wholeheartedly agree.
And Ellenson, I have been in an office in TX and also understand where you are coming from.
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Would like Dequon Miller or Traci Carter. Carter is a Philadelphia player in one story and New Jersey on the other. But plays
against good competition. Don't know much about Miller's competition. Sounds like either one is a solid PG. O'Field in a heart beat.
Carter is from South Philly. But to ramp up his academics and play against better competition in hoops he moved to New Jersey. That's all explained in the story that was posted. I'm very optimistic about our chances here and would really like to open up a Philly pipeline.
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Carter is from South Philly. But to ramp up his academics and play against better competition in hoops he moved to New Jersey. That's all explained in the story that was posted. I'm very optimistic about our chances here and would really like to open up a Philly pipeline.
You've provided a number of significantly informative posts lately, and for that I thank you. But on this topic, I'm gonna need PhillyCoach's opinion.
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Carter is from South Philly. But to ramp up his academics and play against better competition in hoops he moved to New Jersey. That's all explained in the story that was posted. I'm very optimistic about our chances here and would really like to open up a Philly pipeline.
What's this "New Jersey" you speak of? I'm familiar with South Philly, Western New York and Trenton. I hear the academics in Trenton are not worth relocating. Sounds like he's tampering with his transcript.
Edit - Totally agree that getting an East Coast kid helps get other East Coast kids just like landing a So. Fla. kid (HC) really will help get others out of ACC/SEC country. At some point that really good WI and MN pipeline may lag. Now, let's talk Chicago....a good Sr. year by Teve wouldn't hurt
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I'm digging the increase in sharing of good information on Scoop since the silencing of TW/Ners.
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I'm digging the increase in sharing of good information on Scoop since the silencing of TW/Ners.
I don't visit this board for a while and end up missing all the good stuff.
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I'm digging the increase in sharing of good information on Scoop since the silencing of TW/Ners.
Amen!!
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I'm digging the increase in sharing of good information on Scoop since the silencing of TW/Ners.
Ners got banned again? LOL
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Ners got banned again? LOL
When did this happen? I've been trying to find the topic in which it occurred but have failed to find it.
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When did this happen? I've been trying to find the topic in which it occurred but have failed to find it.
I think it was one of those double-secret probation things. Very hush, hush. I fear I've said too much
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So I heard from my friend tonight. He told me that 3/4 coaches went to go see Traci in Philly today. Definitely playing up not only PT but getting the reins from Day 1, being a part of a young nucleus that could do great things starting next season, and I've heard Traci (like most everyone who Wojo has signed) loves the fact that this staff is filled with D1 studs who can relate completely to these guys as players and students. That's the thing I love about what Wojo has done so far: when he has a guy that he knows he wants, he goes all-in and pulls out all the stops. That's not to say that Buzz didn't work his ass off too to get his guys, but Wojo has been so selective in his recruiting that it's exciting to see what all he does when we are really going in on someone. I wanna say this is now his 3rd trip to Philly in the last couple of weeks, that's saying something, and I think is paying great dividends.
I asked him if he thought we would still go after a JUCO PG (Dequon Miller for example) if, hypothetically, we were to get Traci. He was again adamant that he does not think the staff is as interested in bringing in JUCOs as we feel/as it appears. Although we've been listed with a number of guys, he's still under the impression the staff would prefer to not bring in JUCOs just yet. Now, if we don't get Traci then that would change you have to think. But as of right now, he thinks it's Traci and Traci alone they're interested in at PG. I would still love to see O'Field or Outlaw come aboard but maybe we are more into that idea than the staff? Not sure on this yet, but I'll keep you guys posted with what I hear.
Other tidbits we talked about.......the team is just struggling at this point (obviously). Guys are tired of losing and becoming apathetic, Wojo is tired of losing and just keeps getting pissed, and they have 6 am practice tomorrow due to how awful the BU game was. I think we're all about ready to stick a fork in this season. Still don't think we will have any transfers. But Steve knows Henry is coming. JJ knows we are bringing in quality guards. Guys need to step up their games and that will make everyone better - only a good thing. Thinks Henry will be here 2 years (now, that's WAAAYYY too early an accurate prediction but again, popular thought is he's here as long as Wally - barring some Anthony Davis rise in NBA draft stock). Man, that 2016-2017 team could be ridiculous, hate being patient.
Great stuff. Thanks.
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So I heard from my friend tonight. He told me that 3/4 coaches went to go see Traci in Philly today. Definitely playing up not only PT but getting the reins from Day 1, being a part of a young nucleus that could do great things starting next season, and I've heard Traci (like most everyone who Wojo has signed) loves the fact that this staff is filled with D1 studs who can relate completely to these guys as players and students. That's the thing I love about what Wojo has done so far: when he has a guy that he knows he wants, he goes all-in and pulls out all the stops. That's not to say that Buzz didn't work his ass off too to get his guys, but Wojo has been so selective in his recruiting that it's exciting to see what all he does when we are really going in on someone. I wanna say this is now his 3rd trip to Philly in the last couple of weeks, that's saying something, and I think is paying great dividends.
I asked him if he thought we would still go after a JUCO PG (Dequon Miller for example) if, hypothetically, we were to get Traci. He was again adamant that he does not think the staff is as interested in bringing in JUCOs as we feel/as it appears. Although we've been listed with a number of guys, he's still under the impression the staff would prefer to not bring in JUCOs just yet. Now, if we don't get Traci then that would change you have to think. But as of right now, he thinks it's Traci and Traci alone they're interested in at PG. I would still love to see O'Field or Outlaw come aboard but maybe we are more into that idea than the staff? Not sure on this yet, but I'll keep you guys posted with what I hear.
Other tidbits we talked about.......the team is just struggling at this point (obviously). Guys are tired of losing and becoming apathetic, Wojo is tired of losing and just keeps getting pissed, and they have 6 am practice tomorrow due to how awful the BU game was. I think we're all about ready to stick a fork in this season. Still don't think we will have any transfers. But Steve knows Henry is coming. JJ knows we are bringing in quality guards. Guys need to step up their games and that will make everyone better - only a good thing. Thinks Henry will be here 2 years (now, that's WAAAYYY too early an accurate prediction but again, popular thought is he's here as long as Wally - barring some Anthony Davis rise in NBA draft stock). Man, that 2016-2017 team could be ridiculous, hate being patient.
Thank you for this.
I would think that given the injury history of TC, the staff would want to have another PG in the mix as well, unless Duane is that guy.
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I'm digging the increase in sharing of good information on Scoop since the silencing of TW/Ners.
I don't visit this board for a while and end up missing all the good stuff.
Wolverine,
I can understand how when coming across a multi-car pileup on a highway someone might think, "Wow, that must have been cool to see happen." As someone who was there when the pileup happened, I can tell you that it was definitely not "good stuff". Count you blessings, your timing in visiting the board was impeccable.
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I asked him if he thought we would still go after a JUCO PG (Dequon Miller for example) if, hypothetically, we were to get Traci. He was again adamant that he does not think the staff is as interested in bringing in JUCOs as we feel/as it appears. Although we've been listed with a number of guys, he's still under the impression the staff would prefer to not bring in JUCOs just yet. Now, if we don't get Traci then that would change you have to think. But as of right now, he thinks it's Traci and Traci alone they're interested in at PG. I would still love to see O'Field or Outlaw come aboard but maybe we are more into that idea than the staff? Not sure on this yet, but I'll keep you guys posted with what I hear.
Awesome update, thanks. It occurs to me that O'Field and Outlaw may have been backup plans in case Woj didn't close the deal with Sacar.
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i like wojos recruiting strategy and how he is going all in for carter, however, to not want to recruit some juco's is asnine. they are some great players who are tough and hard working in the juco ranks. they have a chip on their shoulder (something that is really lacking in our current team). the negative stigma around juco's is pure BS: see Jimmy Butler
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i like wojos recruiting strategy and how he is going all in for carter, however, to not want to recruit some juco's is asnine. they are some great players who are tough and hard working in the juco ranks. they have a chip on their shoulder (something that is really lacking in our current team). the negative stigma around juco's is pure BS: see Jimmy Butler
O'Field has three years of eligibility which makes him a good risk...like Butler.
The problem with non-qualifying Jucos...like Jae...has been stated here before.
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This board has been in dire need of some positive news for a while now. Glad to hear there is a bright light at the end of the tunnel (and it's not an oncoming train!).
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So I heard from my friend tonight. He told me that 3/4 coaches went to go see Traci in Philly today. Definitely playing up not only PT but getting the reins from Day 1, being a part of a young nucleus that could do great things starting next season, and I've heard Traci (like most everyone who Wojo has signed) loves the fact that this staff is filled with D1 studs who can relate completely to these guys as players and students. That's the thing I love about what Wojo has done so far: when he has a guy that he knows he wants, he goes all-in and pulls out all the stops. That's not to say that Buzz didn't work his ass off too to get his guys, but Wojo has been so selective in his recruiting that it's exciting to see what all he does when we are really going in on someone. I wanna say this is now his 3rd trip to Philly in the last couple of weeks, that's saying something, and I think is paying great dividends.
I asked him if he thought we would still go after a JUCO PG (Dequon Miller for example) if, hypothetically, we were to get Traci. He was again adamant that he does not think the staff is as interested in bringing in JUCOs as we feel/as it appears. Although we've been listed with a number of guys, he's still under the impression the staff would prefer to not bring in JUCOs just yet. Now, if we don't get Traci then that would change you have to think. But as of right now, he thinks it's Traci and Traci alone they're interested in at PG. I would still love to see O'Field or Outlaw come aboard but maybe we are more into that idea than the staff? Not sure on this yet, but I'll keep you guys posted with what I hear.
Other tidbits we talked about.......the team is just struggling at this point (obviously). Guys are tired of losing and becoming apathetic, Wojo is tired of losing and just keeps getting pissed, and they have 6 am practice tomorrow due to how awful the BU game was. I think we're all about ready to stick a fork in this season. Still don't think we will have any transfers. But Steve knows Henry is coming. JJ knows we are bringing in quality guards. Guys need to step up their games and that will make everyone better - only a good thing. Thinks Henry will be here 2 years (now, that's WAAAYYY too early an accurate prediction but again, popular thought is he's here as long as Wally - barring some Anthony Davis rise in NBA draft stock). Man, that 2016-2017 team could be ridiculous, hate being patient.
Hearing the team has packed it in for the year makes me feel justified for selling my final two home games.
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And to think some thought we had a chance at the NIT, hey?
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So I heard from my friend tonight. He told me that 3/4 coaches went to go see Traci in Philly today. Definitely playing up not only PT but getting the reins from Day 1, being a part of a young nucleus that could do great things starting next season, and I've heard Traci (like most everyone who Wojo has signed) loves the fact that this staff is filled with D1 studs who can relate completely to these guys as players and students. That's the thing I love about what Wojo has done so far: when he has a guy that he knows he wants, he goes all-in and pulls out all the stops. That's not to say that Buzz didn't work his ass off too to get his guys, but Wojo has been so selective in his recruiting that it's exciting to see what all he does when we are really going in on someone. I wanna say this is now his 3rd trip to Philly in the last couple of weeks, that's saying something, and I think is paying great dividends.
I asked him if he thought we would still go after a JUCO PG (Dequon Miller for example) if, hypothetically, we were to get Traci. He was again adamant that he does not think the staff is as interested in bringing in JUCOs as we feel/as it appears. Although we've been listed with a number of guys, he's still under the impression the staff would prefer to not bring in JUCOs just yet. Now, if we don't get Traci then that would change you have to think. But as of right now, he thinks it's Traci and Traci alone they're interested in at PG. I would still love to see O'Field or Outlaw come aboard but maybe we are more into that idea than the staff? Not sure on this yet, but I'll keep you guys posted with what I hear.
Other tidbits we talked about.......the team is just struggling at this point (obviously). Guys are tired of losing and becoming apathetic, Wojo is tired of losing and just keeps getting pissed, and they have 6 am practice tomorrow due to how awful the BU game was. I think we're all about ready to stick a fork in this season. Still don't think we will have any transfers. But Steve knows Henry is coming. JJ knows we are bringing in quality guards. Guys need to step up their games and that will make everyone better - only a good thing. Thinks Henry will be here 2 years (now, that's WAAAYYY too early an accurate prediction but again, popular thought is he's here as long as Wally - barring some Anthony Davis rise in NBA draft stock). Man, that 2016-2017 team could be ridiculous, hate being patient.
Wow. This is really interesting. Good to know Wojo is putting on a full court press here. A little nervous of going the "super young kids" route. But this is one of those necessary growing pains the team has to do. Long term growth.
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And to think some thought we had a chance at the NIT, hey?
Still have a chance at the NCAA Tourney. Just need to win 5 games.
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And we're all gonna pull a train with Charlotte McKinney too, hey?
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"pull a train".
Lmao
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Still have a chance at the NCAA Tourney. Just need to win 5 games.
Actually, its only 4 games to win the BET.... ;)
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To clarify my JUCO comments: I certainly don't think it's due to perceived lack of talent or not being good enough to compete at this level. Because for the last few years, our best players have come from Junior College. I think it has more to do with
1. Continuity - any staff prefers to bring in 4-year guys, and I don't think Wojo prefers to go the route of using JUCOs as stop-gaps - Buzz went this route and if a couple guys don't pan out all of the sudden (Vander, Jameel leaving), you go from Final Four promise to the pile of crap we've experienced these last two years.
2. Grades/APR - I know this caused a lot of friction between Buzz and the Administration he dealt with but I think the current group doesn't want to get in too deep with JUCOs for this sake. I want to say the reason we have been linked with O'Field some is because he has 3 years, plenty of time to get grades and whatnot in order.
This was just one manager's opinion, but he sounded pretty sure we weren't going the JUCO route unless Carter doesn't pan out and we are left no choice. It has been brought up before, but I could see a scenario where the staff loves what Carter can bring from the get-go, and someone like Dequon Miller is waiting in the wings in case we don't land Traci. Like I've stated on here a number of times, Wojo gutted the previous regime's culture and way of doing things and has instilled his own (one that I believe is much better and much more conducive to long-term success). There has definitely been friction at times between the Buzz layovers and Wojo, but that is to be expected when you were brought along by one staff and have to change for another (change the way you play, prepare for games, are expected to conduct yourself off the court, etc.). But the majority of that "friction" has to do with us just not being talented/deep/experienced enough to have hung on for those early BE losses. That definitely takes a toll, but guys are still fighting for Wojo.
One question I do have for anyone who may know (maybe Ners had a similar experience in his HS playing days): what kind of effect will Traci's injuries have on him in college? Are these injuries that will reoccur or is he 100% and they will have no bearing on his performance going forward? Can't imagine coaches are too too worried considering his laundry list of choices, but he maybe comes across as a little less attractive if these injuries he's had will have an effect on him going forward.
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To clarify my JUCO comments: I certainly don't think it's due to perceived lack of talent or not being good enough to compete at this level. Because for the last few years, our best players have come from Junior College. I think it has more to do with
1. Continuity - any staff prefers to bring in 4-year guys, and I don't think Wojo prefers to go the route of using JUCOs as stop-gaps - Buzz went this route and if a couple guys don't pan out all of the sudden (Vander, Jameel leaving), you go from Final Four promise to the pile of crap we've experienced these last two years.
2. Grades/APR - I know this caused a lot of friction between Buzz and the Administration he dealt with but I think the current group doesn't want to get in too deep with JUCOs for this sake. I want to say the reason we have been linked with O'Field some is because he has 3 years, plenty of time to get grades and whatnot in order.
This was just one manager's opinion, but he sounded pretty sure we weren't going the JUCO route unless Carter doesn't pan out and we are left no choice. It has been brought up before, but I could see a scenario where the staff loves what Carter can bring from the get-go, and someone like Dequon Miller is waiting in the wings in case we don't land Traci. Like I've stated on here a number of times, Wojo gutted the previous regime's culture and way of doing things and has instilled his own (one that I believe is much better and much more conducive to long-term success). There has definitely been friction at times between the Buzz layovers and Wojo, but that is to be expected when you were brought along by one staff and have to change for another (change the way you play, prepare for games, are expected to conduct yourself off the court, etc.). But the majority of that "friction" has to do with us just not being talented/deep/experienced enough to have hung on for those early BE losses. That definitely takes a toll, but guys are still fighting for Wojo.
One question I do have for anyone who may know (maybe Ners had a similar experience in his HS playing days): what kind of effect will Traci's injuries have on him in college? Are these injuries that will reoccur or is he 100% and they will have no bearing on his performance going forward? Can't imagine coaches are too too worried considering his laundry list of choices, but he maybe comes across as a little less attractive if these injuries he's had will have an effect on him going forward.
O'Field qualified out of high school, committed to ETSU, then decided to go JUCO to see if he could earn better offers. Grades wouldn't be an issue with him. That's my understanding, anyways.
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Wow. This is really interesting. Good to know Wojo is putting on a full court press here. A little nervous of going the "super young kids" route. But this is one of those necessary growing pains the team has to do. Long term growth.
I remember the last time we turned the team over to super young kids. That turned out pretty well and were it not for injuries might have rivaled the recent 3 year run of S16(2),E8.
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To clarify my JUCO comments: I certainly don't think it's due to perceived lack of talent or not being good enough to compete at this level. Because for the last few years, our best players have come from Junior College. I think it has more to do with
1. Continuity - any staff prefers to bring in 4-year guys, and I don't think Wojo prefers to go the route of using JUCOs as stop-gaps - Buzz went this route and if a couple guys don't pan out all of the sudden (Vander, Jameel leaving), you go from Final Four promise to the pile of crap we've experienced these last two years.
2. Grades/APR - I know this caused a lot of friction between Buzz and the Administration he dealt with but I think the current group doesn't want to get in too deep with JUCOs for this sake. I want to say the reason we have been linked with O'Field some is because he has 3 years, plenty of time to get grades and whatnot in order.
This was just one manager's opinion, but he sounded pretty sure we weren't going the JUCO route unless Carter doesn't pan out and we are left no choice. It has been brought up before, but I could see a scenario where the staff loves what Carter can bring from the get-go, and someone like Dequon Miller is waiting in the wings in case we don't land Traci. Like I've stated on here a number of times, Wojo gutted the previous regime's culture and way of doing things and has instilled his own (one that I believe is much better and much more conducive to long-term success). There has definitely been friction at times between the Buzz layovers and Wojo, but that is to be expected when you were brought along by one staff and have to change for another (change the way you play, prepare for games, are expected to conduct yourself off the court, etc.). But the majority of that "friction" has to do with us just not being talented/deep/experienced enough to have hung on for those early BE losses. That definitely takes a toll, but guys are still fighting for Wojo.
One question I do have for anyone who may know (maybe Ners had a similar experience in his HS playing days): what kind of effect will Traci's injuries have on him in college? Are these injuries that will reoccur or is he 100% and they will have no bearing on his performance going forward? Can't imagine coaches are too too worried considering his laundry list of choices, but he maybe comes across as a little less attractive if these injuries he's had will have an effect on him going forward.
Meniscus repairs usually work pretty well. He has more wear than a "normal" 18 year old playing basketball, but nothing to be too concerned about, if that's all there is.
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Meniscus repairs usually work pretty well. He has more wear than a "normal" 18 year old playing basketball, but nothing to be too concerned about, if that's all there is.
That's what I was thinking too. Thanks MUDPT.
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Meniscus repairs usually work pretty well.
Unless you're Derrick Rose.
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So I heard from my friend tonight. He told me that 3/4 coaches went to go see Traci in Philly today. Definitely playing up not only PT but getting the reins from Day 1, being a part of a young nucleus that could do great things starting next season, and I've heard Traci (like most everyone who Wojo has signed) loves the fact that this staff is filled with D1 studs who can relate completely to these guys as players and students. That's the thing I love about what Wojo has done so far: when he has a guy that he knows he wants, he goes all-in and pulls out all the stops. That's not to say that Buzz didn't work his ass off too to get his guys, but Wojo has been so selective in his recruiting that it's exciting to see what all he does when we are really going in on someone. I wanna say this is now his 3rd trip to Philly in the last couple of weeks, that's saying something, and I think is paying great dividends.
I asked him if he thought we would still go after a JUCO PG (Dequon Miller for example) if, hypothetically, we were to get Traci. He was again adamant that he does not think the staff is as interested in bringing in JUCOs as we feel/as it appears. Although we've been listed with a number of guys, he's still under the impression the staff would prefer to not bring in JUCOs just yet. Now, if we don't get Traci then that would change you have to think. But as of right now, he thinks it's Traci and Traci alone they're interested in at PG. I would still love to see O'Field or Outlaw come aboard but maybe we are more into that idea than the staff? Not sure on this yet, but I'll keep you guys posted with what I hear.
Other tidbits we talked about.......the team is just struggling at this point (obviously). Guys are tired of losing and becoming apathetic, Wojo is tired of losing and just keeps getting pissed, and they have 6 am practice tomorrow due to how awful the BU game was. I think we're all about ready to stick a fork in this season. Still don't think we will have any transfers. But Steve knows Henry is coming. JJ knows we are bringing in quality guards. Guys need to step up their games and that will make everyone better - only a good thing. Thinks Henry will be here 2 years (now, that's WAAAYYY too early an accurate prediction but again, popular thought is he's here as long as Wally - barring some Anthony Davis rise in NBA draft stock). Man, that 2016-2017 team could be ridiculous, hate being patient.
Thanks for this. Lots of interesting and positive stuff in here.
I am a little disappointed that the guys are being apathetic, if that's what you really meant to say. Apathy means they don't care, and I hate to hear that if it's true. No matter whether you are undefeated, winless or anything in between, if you are a high-level athlete, you should always care.
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Wolverine,
I can understand how when coming across a multi-car pileup on a highway someone might think, "Wow, that must have been cool to see happen." As someone who was there when the pileup happened, I can tell you that it was definitely not "good stuff". Count you blessings, your timing in visiting the board was impeccable.
I would never think of a multi-car pileup as "cool." Getting this board back to where not every thread is hijacked by a certain poster and his cause celebre would definitely be nice.
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I would never think of a multi-car pileup as "cool." Getting this board back to where not every thread is hijacked by a certain poster and his cause celebre would definitely be nice.
Without bothering to announce it the moderators seem to have to have tackled that problem, so we are all safe for a while. The car pileup was a metaphor for that very problem which you seemed to be saying that you were sorry that you missed.
I don't visit this board for a while and end up missing all the good stuff.
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O'Field qualified out of high school, committed to ETSU, then decided to go JUCO to see if he could earn better offers. Grades wouldn't be an issue with him. That's my understanding, anyways.
http://www.mrt.com/sports/article_95695524-b7ee-11e4-865e-33d87df6c4bc.html
Article explains his situation.
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I would never think of a multi-car pileup as "cool." Getting this board back to where not every thread is hijacked by a certain poster and his cause celebre would definitely be nice.
Multi-car pileups are always a trip. A little paperwork intensive, though. Far more interesting than ners/TW. BTW, ners has once again decided to engage Dodds on the scout board.
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Multi-car pileups are always a trip. A little paperwork intensive, though. Far more interesting than ners/TW. BTW, ners has once again decided to engage Dodds on the scout board.
How's that going? Time to make the popcorn?
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Same (stuff), different day. Dodds most recently gave him an ultimatum. "You don't have to agree with me to post on this board......but you do have to have an ounce of common sense."
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When did this happen? I've been trying to find the topic in which it occurred but have failed to find it.
Yeah I completely missed whatever new went down lol
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Back on track, thank you, onepostellenson for your insight. Interesting. If your source is correct and Wojo is trying to avoid JUCO's, then (A) I hope MU gets Carter, (B) I hope he uses one of the remaining scholarship on a 6'8 widebody with limited skills who is willing to redshirt and learn and can step up when Luke and/or Henry leave, and (C) he banks the last schollie.
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Back on track, thank you, onepostellenson for your insight. Interesting. If your source is correct and Wojo is trying to avoid JUCO's, then (A) I hope MU gets Carter, (B) I hope he uses one of the remaining scholarship on a 6'8 widebody with limited skills who is willing to redshirt and learn and can step up when Luke and/or Henry leave, and (C) he banks the last schollie.
I don't think the staff has any intention of banking any scholarships. Far more likely they'll look to add a grad transfer that can contribute while still allowing them to have another open scholarship for 2016.
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Same (stuff), different day. Dodds most recently gave him an ultimatum. "You don't have to agree with me to post on this board......but you do have to have an ounce of common sense."
There is some irony there....actually a lot of it
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Not from my experience.
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There is some irony there....actually a lot of it
+1
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There is some irony there....actually a lot of it
Yep, two obsessive-compulsives who will absolutely NEVER admit when they are wrong. Ners will rant at you if you don't agree to rip on his chosen scapegoats when things aren't going well...while Dodds can't tolerate when someone posts anything remotely negative about MU. Should be quite a show....
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Did Ners and tw get banned?
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Did Ners and tw get banned?
You've been away for a while, hey?
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Who killed this post?
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Did Ners and tw get banned?
Hopefully a permaban. It's honestly best for this site and it's not even debatable. I can tolerate annoying posters, but Ners single handed my ruins this site
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Who killed this post?
It would seem Ners, despite not being around. His powers of disruption are legendary. At least we aren't debating Derrick/Traci yet.
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You've been away for a while, hey?
I must have missed the fanfare with this banning. When he got his 30 day ban, rocky had it in lights. ;)
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It would seem Ners, despite not being around. His powers of disruption are legendary. At least we aren't debating Derrick/Traci yet.
Obviously Derrick is superior. Stoopid Wojo hasn't played Traci one minute yet!
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Slight Carter update.
At least he escaped Cincy without making a commitment.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1522545-carter-visits-xavier-to-visit-others?s=75
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Slight Carter update.
At least he escaped Cincy without making a commitment.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1522545-carter-visits-xavier-to-visit-others?s=75
It'll be impressive if Wojo can land him.
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Interesting the article says "tentative dates" for Uconn and Memphis.
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At least he escaped Cincy without making a commitment.
As far as we know. Anim committed on campus but waited on his announcement. Though I agree that Carter scheduling other dates probably indicates he didn't make a secret commit to Xavier.
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As far as we know. Anim committed on campus but waited on his announcement. Though I agree that Carter scheduling other dates probably indicates he didn't make a secret commit to Xavier.
This will be a great recruiting job by Wojo, the team sucks, the crowd Saturday should be average. X had a big crowd yesterday sold out, great game to watch. Villy is really good, but not good enough to beat Kentucky, who is, but will be there at the end, really shoots the 3 well and has experience all over the place. X has a senior point guard and only Davis and Stainbrook are seniors so he might get the ball right away there as well. Wojo will have to sell Henry and a top 10 recruiting class so the kid will know there is playing time. Should be interesting. The city is better here with the Bucks, needs Jabari to help out, I am sure Sacre was impressed seeing the Bucks practice at the Al.
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This will be a great recruiting job by Wojo, the team sucks, the crowd Saturday should be average. X had a big crowd yesterday sold out, great game to watch. Villy is really good, but not good enough to beat Kentucky, who is, but will be there at the end, really shoots the 3 well and has experience all over the place. X has a senior point guard and only Davis and Stainbrook are seniors so he might get the ball right away there as well. Wojo will have to sell Henry and a top 10 recruiting class so the kid will know there is playing time. Should be interesting. The city is better here with the Bucks, needs Jabari to help out, I am sure Sacre was impressed seeing the Bucks practice at the Al.
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I expect this to be the toughest recruiting battle of Wojo's young career. Xavier's PG is graduating and they have no experience at the position (though Sumner and Austin will be sophomores). UConn's Boatright is graduating and he plays virtually every minute of every game. They do have another 4-star PG coming in already but the position is wide-open and the coach is a former NBA PG with a NCAA title ring. Memphis seems the least worrying as they have 5 guys on the roster for next year that can play the point, but Pastner is a great recruiter (though as a game coach, not so much).
NC State, Pitt, BC, and Cal all look to have the PG position set for next year. I think the three above are the main competition, and it's really UConn and Xavier that look like the best fits. Hopefully Wojo can sell the arena, the Bucks, the recruiting class, the potential for PT, and his vision for the future. Still an uphill battle against schools with a better pedigree the past couple years, closer to home for Carter, and with PT of their own to offer.
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Sure hope we land Traci assuming that's Wojo's top choice. I also hope he makes a decision relatively quickly such that we'll still have options if he decides to head elsewhere.
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I expect this to be the toughest recruiting battle of Wojo's young career. Xavier's PG is graduating and they have no experience at the position (though Sumner and Austin will be sophomores). UConn's Boatright is graduating and he plays virtually every minute of every game. They do have another 4-star PG coming in already but the position is wide-open and the coach is a former NBA PG with a NCAA title ring. Memphis seems the least worrying as they have 5 guys on the roster for next year that can play the point, but Pastner is a great recruiter (though as a game coach, not so much).
NC State, Pitt, BC, and Cal all look to have the PG position set for next year. I think the three above are the main competition, and it's really UConn and Xavier that look like the best fits. Hopefully Wojo can sell the arena, the Bucks, the recruiting class, the potential for PT, and his vision for the future. Still an uphill battle against schools with a better pedigree the past couple years, closer to home for Carter, and with PT of their own to offer.
Xavier does have Brandon Randolph on the roster, but I'm sure Carter would be confident in his ability to pass him on the depth chart.
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Sure hope we land Traci assuming that's Wojo's top choice. I also hope he makes a decision relatively quickly such that we'll still have options if he decides to head elsewhere.
This is the drawback. Unless he commits next week, we could be waiting until after the tournament. How many backup options might be gone by the time Carter commits if he takes all his visits? Very tough and important recruiting battle.
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It'll be impressive if Wojo can land him.
More than impressive. It'd be a downright coup to land Carter.
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Maybe now would be a good time to use the supposed Drake connection that Haanif has? Impromptu Drake concert at the Al with Jabari there?
Maybe a hot chocolate truck?
Have Wally teach him how to high jump?
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This will be a great recruiting job by Wojo, the team sucks, the crowd Saturday should be average. X had a big crowd yesterday sold out, great game to watch. Villy is really good, but not good enough to beat Kentucky, who is, but will be there at the end, really shoots the 3 well and has experience all over the place. X has a senior point guard and only Davis and Stainbrook are seniors so he might get the ball right away there as well. Wojo will have to sell Henry and a top 10 recruiting class so the kid will know there is playing time. Should be interesting. The city is better here with the Bucks, needs Jabari to help out, I am sure Sacre was impressed seeing the Bucks practice at the Al.
With Nick no longer in the class, is it still considered a Top 10 class?
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With Nick no longer in the class, is it still considered a Top 10 class?
Last I looked on ESPN, MU had dropped to 12th after NN, then moved up 1 spot to 11th with Anim.
Don't think MU is even ranked that high in Rivals because Ellenson was about 13th there and Heldt and Cheatham were not highly ranked. These rankings do float a lot however.
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http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings
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This is the drawback. Unless he commits next week, we could be waiting until after the tournament. How many backup options might be gone by the time Carter commits if he takes all his visits? Very tough and important recruiting battle.
Trying not to read tea leaves but Dequon seems to be playing his cards close. UT paid him another visit. I think Wojo will have a decent feel on this by the end of the weekend.
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Trying not to read tea leaves but Dequon seems to be playing his cards close. UT paid him another visit. I think Wojo will have a decent feel on this by the end of the weekend.
Would you mind covering what you mean here? Is he sort of using UT as a safety school and waiting to see what Wojo and/or Carter does? Hopefully Wojo pulls out the stops this weekend. I'd really love to see this team fill out and get a consistent roster here.
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Can we pump the brakes on Carter a bit? My goodness, he's ranked 156 on average. Wojo lands at top 10 recruit and we're going to use Carter as the barometer? I'm sure he's a nice player, but he likely won't play much next year even if he does choose MU. How many top 100 recruits have made an impact at Marquette their freshman year? JJJ, Burton, Juan, Smith, Cohen, etc. haven't been able to. The only reason he's being highly recruited is because its late in the game and teams need to round out recruiting classes, or in Marquette's case have a second PG on the roster.
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Would you mind covering what you mean here? Is he sort of using UT as a safety school and waiting to see what Wojo and/or Carter does? Hopefully Wojo pulls out the stops this weekend. I'd really love to see this team fill out and get a consistent roster here.
Seems like he is down to his final 4. No SH mention for his visits. Perhaps the "tentative dates" are a good thing for us? Seems like he is really waiting to see how Marquette goes before looking around more. Feels like it's really between us and X.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1522545-carter-visits-xavier-to-visit-others?s=75 (http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1522545-carter-visits-xavier-to-visit-others?s=75)
Traci Carter took his first of four college visits over the weekend.
Arguably the top available point guard left in 2015, Carter took in Xavier over the weekend and according to Carter's mentor Donnie Carr the trip went well.
"The winning tradition of Xavier basketball," Carr said when asked what stood out about the visit. "They have made the NCAA tournament eight of the last nine years."
"Traci would have a legit opportunity to make an immediate impact as a freshman. It's a great atmosphere for college basketball. They sell out every home game."
Next on Carter's visit list is Marquette. The four-star prospect will be in Milwaukee, Wisc. to visit with their staff on March 7th.
Carr also informed Scout that Carter has set "tentative dates" to visit Connecticut and Memphis.
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Traci Carter
Life Center Academy / 6'0" / 165 lbs
PositionPG
PG Rank18
Interest9
Analysis
Coming off knee injury that held him out his final spring and summer on the AAU circuit, Carter has shown good speed, toughness and shooting ability. He's quick off the bounce, looks to create opportunities for his teammates and is a good passer. He'll need to cut down on his turnovers and value the ball more, but he's able to run a team. He's also an impressive long-range shooter that can heat up and make shots from mid-range too.
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Can we pump the brakes on Carter a bit? My goodness, he's ranked 156 on average. Wojo lands at top 10 recruit and we're going to use Carter as the barometer? I'm sure he's a nice player, but he likely won't play much next year even if he does choose MU. How many top 100 recruits have made an impact at Marquette their freshman year? JJJ, Burton, Juan, Smith, Cohen, etc. haven't been able to. The only reason he's being highly recruited is because its late in the game and teams need to round out recruiting classes, or in Marquette's case have a second PG on the roster.
They're also hot on him because he's re-established himself after coming back from a big injury. Turns out when you sit out, your ranking takes a hit. Look, he's not a lottery pick, but he has a really good handle and decent 3 point game (mid range needs a bit of help). He's a pretty good prospect and Wojo sees that. And given our extreme need for a PG... it makes a lot of sense to get hot and heavy for him. But it also makes it a tougher pickup this late in the game for Wojo.
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Can we pump the brakes on Carter a bit? My goodness, he's ranked 156 on average.
I just wish we had a single coach who knew anything about what it means to be a high-major PG. Only then could our staff adequately judge PG prospects.
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I just wish we had a single coach who knew anything about what it means to be a high-major PG. Only then could our staff adequately judge PG prospects.
Real shame that our HS star is in exile right now. The coaching staff could probably use some advice on this one....
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Would you mind covering what you mean here? Is he sort of using UT as a safety school and waiting to see what Wojo and/or Carter does? Hopefully Wojo pulls out the stops this weekend. I'd really love to see this team fill out and get a consistent roster here.
Well, Dequon is not commenting about requests for his announcement date other than to say that he's excited about going D-1 in April. And UT coaches continue to visit him regularly. Further, every time he gets mentioned with #mubb he RTs. None of us know anything (okay, only I know nothing) but that sure sounds like a kid patiently waiting. Now he might be waiting for Gonzaga for all we know but....
So if you made me guess and bet $10, I'd bet he's Wojo's Plan B. Heck it's possible he's coming anyway but Wojo doesn't want Carter to be upset and is purposefully leaving the door wide open for the HS Senior. We could really use 2 PGs because as difficult as yesterday was to watch, Duane is much better at the 'Carlino #2'.
Earlier there was a comment about not getting too excited. Agreed. But no returning player on a team that has won 11 games has a guaranteed starting spot. At the moment, I'd only pencil in 2. Everyone else battles beginning this summer.
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Can we pump the brakes on Carter a bit? My goodness, he's ranked 156 on average. Wojo lands at top 10 recruit and we're going to use Carter as the barometer? I'm sure he's a nice player, but he likely won't play much next year even if he does choose MU. How many top 100 recruits have made an impact at Marquette their freshman year? JJJ, Burton, Juan, Smith, Cohen, etc. haven't been able to. The only reason he's being highly recruited is because its late in the game and teams need to round out recruiting classes, or in Marquette's case have a second PG on the roster.
I'd say his recruitment is awfully important to Wojo...so I consider landing him very important as well.
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Can we pump the brakes on Carter a bit? My goodness, he's ranked 156 on average. Wojo lands at top 10 recruit and we're going to use Carter as the barometer? I'm sure he's a nice player, but he likely won't play much next year even if he does choose MU. How many top 100 recruits have made an impact at Marquette their freshman year? JJJ, Burton, Juan, Smith, Cohen, etc. haven't been able to. The only reason he's being highly recruited is because its late in the game and teams need to round out recruiting classes, or in Marquette's case have a second PG on the roster.
Some valid points, sometimes it works out, here are some examples off top of head:
Stephen Curry two star recruit 2006
Bryce Cotton zero star recuit 2010
Trey Burke two star recruit 2011
Maybe MU will get one of those type guards one day.......
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Can we pump the brakes on Carter a bit? My goodness, he's ranked 156 on average. Wojo lands at top 10 recruit and we're going to use Carter as the barometer? I'm sure he's a nice player, but he likely won't play much next year even if he does choose MU. How many top 100 recruits have made an impact at Marquette their freshman year? JJJ, Burton, Juan, Smith, Cohen, etc. haven't been able to. The only reason he's being highly recruited is because its late in the game and teams need to round out recruiting classes, or in Marquette's case have a second PG on the roster.
I agree with this, absolutely. Everybody knows we need a PG, but putting that on a 150 recruit frosh is un- realistic. While we all hope he could be the answer, a lot has to happen. First, can we get him, 2nd, as a frosh, what do we expect. Lots of people on this board do not think Duane is a PG, yet, he was much more highly rated as a recruit, and a PG, and has two years in the system already. But plenty of people are not sold on him.
Things do not look that great for next year at PG, either. Maybe the keys need to be placed in somebody else's hands.
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Carter seems to have interest from a lot of high major schools. He also passes the eye test in comparison with some of our recent point guards coming out of HS. Also the rumors of the coaching staff thinking he could play right away definitely makes me believe he is more skilled than a ranking. Plenty of very talented players fly under the radar for many reasons. Here's to hoping we land Carter and both him and Anim end up being great contributors sooner rather than later! Wojo's been around plenty of talent. I trust coach & co know the way to go ;)
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Things do not look that great for next year at PG, either. Maybe the keys need to be placed in somebody else's hands.
I think this is an understatement. Wilson needs to be playing the 2.
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I agree with this, absolutely. Everybody knows we need a PG, but putting that on a 150 recruit frosh is un- realistic. While we all hope he could be the answer, a lot has to happen. First, can we get him, 2nd, as a frosh, what do we expect. Lots of people on this board do not think Duane is a PG, yet, he was much more highly rated as a recruit, and a PG, and has two years in the system already. But plenty of people are not sold on him.
Things do not look that great for next year at PG, either. Maybe the keys need to be placed in somebody else's hands.
It was very obvious yesterday that Duane needs to be at the 2. Way too valuable a SG to make him handle the ball coming down court. Defense would be able to zero in on him and make him give up the ball, better he gets the ball from the PG and gets set for a shot as he did yesterday most of the game.
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I just wish we had a single coach who knew anything about what it means to be a high-major PG. Only then could our staff adequately judge PG prospects.
There's a sayin about desperate times...
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The reality is someone is going to play PG. If Duane is in the off-guard position, that's going to be Cheatham, Carter, or someone else not yet on the roster. People can pump the brakes all they like, but come November, someone will have to be playing there. And if Duane is at the 2, there is no unsigned freshman in the country I would rather have than Traci Carter. Not a single one. So I'm going to hope Wojo can reel him in, hopefully by this time next week. Would love it if he announced he was making a decision right after his visit. That would bode very well for us.
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Can we pump the brakes on Carter a bit? My goodness, he's ranked 156 on average. Wojo lands at top 10 recruit and we're going to use Carter as the barometer? I'm sure he's a nice player, but he likely won't play much next year even if he does choose MU. How many top 100 recruits have made an impact at Marquette their freshman year? JJJ, Burton, Juan, Smith, Cohen, etc. haven't been able to. The only reason he's being highly recruited is because its late in the game and teams need to round out recruiting classes, or in Marquette's case have a second PG on the roster.
Ok here is the deal....MU is going to sign at least 1 point guard....and whoever it is will play......how do I know this? Because as things sit we have 1 guy on the roster that is even capable of playing point guard....and he has spent all year playing off the ball.
So since Carter is obviously Wojos top target we should all want to land him....because Wojo thinks he can help us....and we are going to need him or somebody else to play next year.....
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It was very obvious yesterday that Duane needs to be at the 2. Way too valuable a SG to make him handle the ball coming down court. Defense would be able to zero in on him and make him give up the ball, better he gets the ball from the PG and gets set for a shot as he did yesterday most of the game.
Maybe you are right. So where do Sandy, JJJ, Anim, Wally, Cheatham need to play? None of them can play the point either. So now we are back at having 6 or 7 wings/2G's and no PG. (or an untested one).
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Maybe you are right. So where do Sandy, JJJ, Anim, Wally, Cheatham need to play? None of them can play the point either. So now we are back at having 6 or 7 wings/2G's and no PG. (or an untested one).
Wojo has shown so far he likes a 3 G offense so there is room for another guard in the starting rotation, Duane will need rest, plus he might play some point, maybe limited mins in certain matchups. Players have to earn their minutes. Rather have too many than not enough.
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Wojo has shown so far he likes a 3 G offense so there is room for another guard in the starting rotation, Duane will need rest, plus he might play some point, maybe limited mins in certain matchups. Players have to earn their minutes. Rather have too many than not enough.
I agree with that. There's at least 100 minutes playing 'guard'. We're worried about having too many players capable of seeing the floor? Please. Real teams have Frosh (or anyone) down the bench a ways.
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I agree with this, absolutely. Everybody knows we need a PG, but putting that on a 150 recruit frosh is un- realistic. While we all hope he could be the answer, a lot has to happen. First, can we get him, 2nd, as a frosh, what do we expect. Lots of people on this board do not think Duane is a PG, yet, he was much more highly rated as a recruit, and a PG, and has two years in the system already. But plenty of people are not sold on him.
Things do not look that great for next year at PG, either. Maybe the keys need to be placed in somebody else's hands.
Perhaps here's a way to look at it Willie. A Carter/Wison PG tandem replaces 40 minutes of Derrick. And I really like Derrick as a leader and team guy.
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Glow--any chance of getting Glow Jr. and company to start the "we want Traci" chant? Recruits love to hear their name.
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Maybe you are right. So where do Sandy, JJJ, Anim, Wally, Cheatham need to play? None of them can play the point either. So now we are back at having 6 or 7 wings/2G's and no PG. (or an untested one).
It's been said on here that the staff believes Cheatham can play the point. But as the roster stands now, here's my expectation of the rotation, assuming we get Carter. If not, it will be another point subbed in for his name.
PG: Tra Carter, Duane Wilson, Haanif Cheatham
SG: Duane Wilson, Haanif Cheatham, Sacar Anim
SF: Jajuan Johnson, Sandy Cohen, Wally Ellenson
PF: Henry Ellenson, Steve Taylor, Wally Ellenson
C: Luke Fischer, Matt Heldt, Steve Taylor
That's 11 guys. Of those 11, 9 would be first or second off the bench at one of the 5 positions. Wally would likely be in an energy role and I'd guess would still get decent minutes at a few positions. Anim is the closest thing to an odd man out, but he'll have the chance to earn minutes at the 2/3. Regardless, there's no logjam of players. Everyone will have the chance to earn playing time.
I still think we could use a rebounder there, and if we added O'Field I could see him fighting for time at the 2/3 spots as well, but I don't think that's a bad thing at all. Make these kids earn their time. And if some of them have to sit for a year or two before they get their chance, so be it. That's how it should be.
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Lots of warm weather schools...
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Virginia-expected-to-watch-four-star-juco-35961575
Virginia expected to watch four-star juco
Virginia will watch four-star junior college prospect Ty Outlaw of Lee College on Tuesday according to Brad Winton of jucorecruiting.com.
Originally from Roxboro, North Carolina, Outlaw is an athletic 6-5, 200-pound small forward who has improved as a shooter in junior college. He is averaging 22 points per game and shooting 45 percent from behind the arc.
Georgia Tech recently watched him while South Florida is leading LSU in the Crystal Ball.
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It's been said on here that the staff believes Cheatham can play the point. But as the roster stands now, here's my expectation of the rotation, assuming we get Carter. If not, it will be another point subbed in for his name.
I've heard that there is no truth to the rumor about Cheatham playing point. Wojo and crew want two PGs, hopefully Carter and a transfer of some sort
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I agree with that. There's at least 100 minutes playing 'guard'. We're worried about having too many players capable of seeing the floor? Please. Real teams have Frosh (or anyone) down the bench a ways.
Using 100 minutes at the wing as you have suggested will still create issues for some. You will need Duane on the floor for at least 30 plus minutes per game, and "somebody else" at PG for 15-20 minutes per game. That leaves about 50 minutes for Sandy, JJJ, Cheatham, Wally, Anim, (and possibly somebody else). Somebody will not be happy and will leave--so pick your poison there. I know, I know "it will sort itself out". Just don't like that type of "sorting out".
Any way you slice it, given recruits we have coming in, and guys returning, next year will still be an issue at PG. Putting the keys in the hands of a frosh is not very desirable, unless that frosh is a stud, which we will not have.
THis is not entirely Wojo's fault, as he inherited this mess. But he could have given Duane more of a look at PG this year than he did. He didn't, so it has now become his problem to figure out. I hope Carter works out, but we should not have our hopes very high. If the kid can shoot, make FT's and average about 7 and 5 as a frosh, and not turn it over, it will be a marked upgrade from the last two years.
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Using 100 minutes at the wing as you have suggested will still create issues for some. You will need Duane on the floor for at least 30 plus minutes per game, and "somebody else" at PG for 15-20 minutes per game. That leaves about 50 minutes for Sandy, JJJ, Cheatham, Wally, Anim, (and possibly somebody else). Somebody will not be happy and will leave--so pick your poison there. I know, I know "it will sort itself out". Just don't like that type of "sorting out".
You may not like it but it's reality. Many of us have learned to accept it and it makes things a lot less stressful to not worry about who may or may not leave. Just get the best team that can be assembled. Besides, Wally was an end of bench player at Minnesota and Anim likely needs time to develop. So one of JJ/Sandy/Cheatham starts and gets 25 mpg. Duane gets 30 mpg. That leaves 25 mpg to give to the other two wings off the bench. Maybe it's split 20-5 or 15-10 or 25-0...I don't mean this the wrong way, but it will sort itself out.
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It will sort itself like you said but MU needs a real 3, not a couple of Division 2 type players.
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I'm starting to see two PG options emerge as the most likely scenarios:
1) Carter commits & MU adds grad transfer. Grad transfer hedges if Carter isn't ready to start as a frosh, then Carter competes for starting job next year vs 2016 PG recruit.
2) Miller or other JUCO & ??? Is the 2nd a grad transfer or an under the radar HS/Prep School player?
I suppose Wojo could try to add both Carter and Miller. Just trying to read the tea leaves while Wojo holds them very close to the vest.
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That leaves about 50 minutes for Sandy, JJJ, Cheatham, Wally, Anim, (and possibly somebody else). Somebody will not be happy and will leave--so pick your poison there. I know, I know "it will sort itself out". Just don't like that type of "sorting out".
I would question exact numbers, but quite simply, so freaking what? We have 13 scholarships to fill. Some guys aren't going to get as many minutes as they like. It's called reality. If the guys at the end of the bench leave, that opens up space for guys to take their place. The best play, the others either go elsewhere or keep working for their chance. We've seen both this year. Deonte and Dawson left, Jajuan worked hard and improved. That's the nature of the sport.
When there are 13 guys for 200 minutes, some won't be happy. That leaves only two choices. Go with a short roster (working so well this year) or accept that some guys won't be happy. I don't think anyone wants to leave open scholarships just to make players happy. Competition will encourage hard work to get those minutes.
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I would question exact numbers, but quite simply, so freaking what? We have 13 scholarships to fill. Some guys aren't going to get as many minutes as they like. It's called reality. If the guys at the end of the bench leave, that opens up space for guys to take their place. The best play, the others either go elsewhere or keep working for their chance. We've seen both this year. Deonte and Dawson left, Jajuan worked hard and improved. That's the nature of the sport.
When there are 13 guys for 200 minutes, some won't be happy. That leaves only two choices. Go with a short roster (working so well this year) or accept that some guys won't be happy. I don't think anyone wants to leave open scholarships just to make players happy. Competition will encourage hard work to get those minutes.
I haven't advocated leaving open scholarships. Would advocate better balance in positions and classes.
If you like transfers and the problems that creates, that is your choice.
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Willie,
We're not going to perfect the roster in one year. Sure some kids will get fewer minutes than they'd like. Right now we just need to add quality ballplayers. And PG is the most pressing need.
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I haven't advocated leaving open scholarships. Would advocate better balance in positions and classes.
If you like transfers and the problems that creates, that is your choice.
So you balance by not looking at the best players available by position, because you might have someone transfer, because they will be unhappy with their playing time? Well Kenucky, Duke, NC, etc. should start to worry about transfers.
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So you balance by not looking at the best players available by position, because you might have someone transfer, because they will be unhappy with their playing time? Well Kenucky, Duke, NC, etc. should start to worry
Yeah--let me know when we are close to one of those programs--right now we do not have that talent. And yeah, if you have 6 or 7 good wings but do not have a PG, or a center, or any other position, you do not have a good balance. And many coaches try to do it that way in their recruiting.
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So you balance by not looking at the best players available by position, because you might have someone transfer, because they will be unhappy with their playing time? Well Kenucky, Duke, NC, etc. should start to worry
Yeah--let me know when we are close to one of those programs--right now we do not have that talent. And yeah, if you have 6 or 7 good wings but do not have a PG, or a center, or any other position, you do not have a good balance. And many coaches try to do it that way in their recruiting.
Exactly we do not have that talent. What is wrong to try to get the best. I'm not comparing us to them I'm saying they go after the best they do no care how deep they are already. Will say this again, Wojo has shown his style of playing is 3 guards, 1 forward, 1 center. Two of the guards are sg or "wings" so what is wrong with 6 of them. Four will see plenty of time other 2 will have spot minutes while they develop. If you use 13 scholarships you are going to be 3 deep at some positions, maybe Wojo wants that to happen at both sg positions. Of course I'm just speculating and ultimately Wojo will do as he wants. Guess we need to respect the process, hey?
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I haven't advocated leaving open scholarships. Would advocate better balance in positions and classes.
If you like transfers and the problems that creates, that is your choice.
You offer complaints but no solutions. 13 players for 5 positions. You balk at the idea of 7 guys for three of those positions, but that's 54% of the scholarships vying for 60% of the minutes. Three points, three bigs compete for the other 40% with some positional overflow, the "switchable variable" if you will.
That IS balance. That is maximizing your roster and creating healthy competition, which in turn should bring out the best in players that are competitive.
There aren't other options. This is the roster balance you say you want. Unless you leave open scholarships, players will have to compete for minutes. That's just reality.
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You offer complaints but no solutions. 13 players for 5 positions. You balk at the idea of 7 guys for three of those positions, but that's 54% of the scholarships vying for 60% of the minutes. Three points, three bigs compete for the other 40% with some positional overflow, the "switchable variable" if you will.
That IS balance. That is maximizing your roster and creating healthy competition, which in turn should bring out the best in players that are competitive.
There aren't other options. This is the roster balance you say you want. Unless you leave open scholarships, players will have to compete for minutes. That's just reality.
Ok, let's take them one by one, since you have no concept of what somebody says, other than you lame stuff.
1. 7 wings is not a complaint, it is an opinion.
2. I stated the solution. More balance for the positions and classes. End of that lame comment made by you.
3. 7 guys for two positions not three like you allege. 2G and Wing are two positions, not three. Take math again, because you need it.
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Ok, let's take them one by one, since you have no concept of what somebody says, other than you lame stuff.
1. 7 wings is not a complaint, it is an opinion.
2. I stated the solution. More balance for the positions and classes. End of that lame comment made by you.
3. 7 guys for two positions not three like you allege. 2G and Wing are two positions, not three. Take math again, because you need it.
Mmmmm 7 wings
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I don't think anybody can conclude what Wojo "prefers" based on what he has "shown" this year. He was handed a roster short on both talent and height. He's had to manage getting through games with as little as 6 healthy scholarship layers and at most 9. I think Wojo playing 3 guards, a forward, and a center has more to do with getting the 5 best players on the floor and less to do with wanting to play 3 guys who could possibly all play point guard.
Respect the process, ai'na?
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Ok, let's take them one by one, since you have no concept of what somebody says, other than you lame stuff.
1. 7 wings is not a complaint, it is an opinion.
2. I stated the solution. More balance for the positions and classes. End of that lame comment made by you.
3. 7 guys for two positions not three like you allege. 2G and Wing are two positions, not three. Take math again, because you need it.
1. When you say something is a problem, that's a complaint.
2. And I broke down the positional overlap and why it isn't a problem. Reality is guys play multiple positions. Johnson plays 2-3. Duane plays 1-3. Cheatham will likely play 1-3. Wally probably 3-4. Very few of these guys are pigeon holed to one strict position.
3. At this level, many 2's and 3's are interchangeable. The seven players will be playing the positions. Honestly, it's probably closer to 8 players at those the positions once all is said and done.
If you want to back up your claim, do so. I slotted names into positions. Who are the 7 guys slotted into 2 positions? Because looking at next year's roster, there is no way that is a logical conclusion.
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I agree with this, absolutely. Everybody knows we need a PG, but putting that on a 150 recruit frosh is un- realistic. While we all hope he could be the answer, a lot has to happen. First, can we get him, 2nd, as a frosh, what do we expect. Lots of people on this board do not think Duane is a PG, yet, he was much more highly rated as a recruit, and a PG, and has two years in the system already. But plenty of people are not sold on him.
Things do not look that great for next year at PG, either. Maybe the keys need to be placed in somebody else's hands.
Did you hit your head on a door jam? Our best option among those on the team this year was Derrick, and Dean "the dream" ain't walking through the door next year.
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Traci Carter would be 4 year starter for you. Very solid, consistent, college ready player. Was injured all of last summer which had low major-mid major coaches very hopeful he'd fall under the radar.
Malik Ellison also mentioned is going to be a serious steal for someone this spring. Kid just keeps growing and getting better. I can't believe at the lack of attention he's getting. Top 75 talent.
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Traci Carter would be 4 year starter for you. Very solid, consistent, college ready player. Was injured all of last summer which had low major-mid major coaches very hopeful he'd fall under the radar.
Malik Ellison also mentioned is going to be a serious steal for someone this spring. Kid just keeps growing and getting better. I can't believe at the lack of attention he's getting. Top 75 talent.
Welcome back Dave. We're hoping he sees the opportunity here and shakes Wojo's hand this weekend at his visit. Your Johnnies have put together a nice little run. Sorry that we've got to do everything possible to spoil it for one evening.
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Traci Carter would be 4 year starter for you. Very solid, consistent, college ready player. Was injured all of last summer which had low major-mid major coaches very hopeful he'd fall under the radar.
Malik Ellison also mentioned is going to be a serious steal for someone this spring. Kid just keeps growing and getting better. I can't believe at the lack of attention he's getting. Top 75 talent.
Thanks for the info. From that perspective it's clear why Wojo has Carter as his PG priority over someone like Dequon Miller. If Carter can be a 4 year starter vs Miller being a 2 year starter, that's a clear edge for Carter. Really hope Wojo lands his guy but both are talented. If Carter goes elsewhere I'd still be excited to get Miller.
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Traci Carter would be 4 year starter for you. Very solid, consistent, college ready player. Was injured all of last summer which had low major-mid major coaches very hopeful he'd fall under the radar.
Malik Ellison also mentioned is going to be a serious steal for someone this spring. Kid just keeps growing and getting better. I can't believe at the lack of attention he's getting. Top 75 talent.
He's a 2, correct? Any other 1s who are going to be a steal?
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I don't think anybody can conclude what Wojo "prefers" based on what he has "shown" this year. He was handed a roster short on both talent and height. He's had to manage getting through games with as little as 6 healthy scholarship layers and at most 9. I think Wojo playing 3 guards, a forward, and a center has more to do with getting the 5 best players on the floor and less to do with wanting to play 3 guys who could possibly all play point guard.
Respect the process, ai'na?
Exactly. We are short on talent. We need more of it. As long as each position is "filled" -- and PG already is because Duane could play there in a worst-case scenario that wouldn't be bad at all -- you just go out and get the best players you can.
We're 11-17. We need great players everywhere.
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Exactly. We are short on talent. We need more of it. As long as each position is "filled" -- and PG already is because Duane could play there in a worst-case scenario that wouldn't be bad at all -- you just go out and get the best players you can.
We're 11-17. We need great players everywhere.
But, if Duane has to play point a lot, that means he is not at the 2 and someone with less ready is at the 2, of course. We need a one so that our best player going into next year can concentrate on being a scorer and opening up the lane for our big guys.
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Traci Carter would be 4 year starter for you. Very solid, consistent, college ready player. Was injured all of last summer which had low major-mid major coaches very hopeful he'd fall under the radar.
Malik Ellison also mentioned is going to be a serious steal for someone this spring. Kid just keeps growing and getting better. I can't believe at the lack of attention he's getting. Top 75 talent.
As I wrote a few pages back, landing Carter would be a coup for Wojo.
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As I wrote a few pages back, landing Carter would be a coup for Wojo.
Given the quality of recruit and the schools MU is going up against, I think a "coup" is overstating it a bit.
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Given the quality of recruit and the schools MU is going up against, I think a "coup" is overstating it a bit.
Beating out UConn, Xavier, Memphis, and Creighton (along with interest at one point or another from Tennessee, Indiana, Florida State, Missouri, St. John's, Providence, Cal, Pitt, NC State, BC, and Seton Hall) for a 4 star point guard who was injured during the most important evaluation period would be a major coup.
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Given the quality of recruit and the schools MU is going up against, I think a "coup" is overstating it a bit.
He has 11 predictions on 247. 4 Louisville, 6 UConn, 1 Xavier. The UConn & Xavier predictions are all since the start of February.
Swiping a recruit out from underneath UConn and away from a conference rival? Coup is a solid term.
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But, if Duane has to play point a lot, that means he is not at the 2 and someone with less ready is at the 2, of course. We need a one so that our best player going into next year can concentrate on being a scorer and opening up the lane for our big guys.
I'd rather have someone more ready at the PG and less ready at the SG than vice versa. However, as Dave alluded to, Carter can be a 4-year starter. That is exciting. I would hope JJJ could take a big step and be the "ready" at the 2 as well. That said, I expect a lot of good Cheatham minutes due to his defensive tenacity at the 2-3 as well.
That Malik Ellison kid looks like he could be a fun swing guard as well at 6'6".
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Did you hit your head on a door jam? Our best option among those on the team this year was Derrick, and Dean "the dream" ain't walking through the door next year.
No, I did not. But I am sure that you hit yours on your tailbone. And I am aware we don't have Dean the Dream, but thanks for your outdated info. Point, was : how did that best option work out? Should have tried another look see at somebody else like Duane the last few games as a trial. Something your head can't seem to grasp, while you are knocking it against your tailbone. Knock off the insults and then I will.
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Mark Miller just predicted Carter to MU on 247 http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/TargetPredictions
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Hot damn. If accurate, nice late get, Wojo.
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Mark Miller just predicted Carter to MU on 247 http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/TargetPredictions
Mark is the man. Always seems to nail his predictions...especially those for MU and UW.
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Mark is the man. Always seems to nail his predictions...especially those for MU and UW.
Is Mark Miller Crystal Ball Predictions meme worthy?
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Mark Miller just predicted Carter to MU on 247 http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/TargetPredictions
Jerry Meyer usually follows Miller, we'll see if he flips his UConn pick.
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Mark Miller just predicted Carter to MU on 247 http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/TargetPredictions
Go get him, Wojo!
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Jerry Meyer usually follows Miller, we'll see if he flips his UConn pick.
He flipped.
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He flipped.
Now Scoop is gonna flip...their lid.
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He flipped.
Only 42 minutes later. When Mark Miller talks, people listen....
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getting real ;D
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Obviously, done deal.
Unless Carter's wife doesn't like Milwaukee!
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This would be huge.
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Oh yeah! Hope they're correct! Nice distributor who can take it to the hoop or hit the jumper!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBT3CqS5C20
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He flipped.
Thus simultaneously showing the value and lack of value in the Crystal Ball.
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Would be an absolutely huge win for Wojo. Hope it comes to fruition.
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Great news!
Coming right ahead of a big upset win tonight.
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Next season potentially: Carter at the 1, Duane at the 2, Henry at the 4, and Luke at the 5 with some healthy competition at the 3/wing between JJJ, Cheatham, Sandy, Wally, and Sacar for the final starting spot and things aren't looking quite as dire. Obviously, STJ is the first big off the bench.
Granted, Henry has to come in and produce at a decent clip and we need to see solid improvement from Duane, JJJ, Sandy and Luke but that team will probably be a lot more fun to watch.
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For those who keep track of such things...Scout still has our 2105 class ranked 5th
http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1523447-updated-top-25-basketball-class-rankings?s=75&utm_content=buffer40f59&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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1-Traci
2-Duane
3-Sandy
4-Henry
5-Luke
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Now everyone has wood, again, for Wojo, ai na?
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For those who keep track of such things...Scout still has our 2105 class ranked 5th
http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1523447-updated-top-25-basketball-class-rankings?s=75&utm_content=buffer40f59&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Won't update until Carter commits, if he does.
I don't see Wojo climbing much higher with Carter though.
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For those who keep track of such things...Scout still has our 2105 class ranked 5th
http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1523447-updated-top-25-basketball-class-rankings?s=75&utm_content=buffer40f59&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Our 2105 class? Guess Wojo really does have a long term plan.
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Won't update until Carter commits, if he does.
I don't see Wojo climbing much higher with Carter though.
And we'll probably be passed by LSU when they sign Malik Newman. But really impressive class for MU, especially if Carter commits.
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Respect the process, ai'na?
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And we'll probably be passed by LSU when they sign Malik Newman. But really impressive class for MU, especially if Carter commits.
Chad Lykins
@CLykinsBlog
Using @247Sports class calculator, #LSU projects to land the No. 1 class in 2015 w/ the addition of Malik Newman.
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Chad Lykins
@CLykinsBlog
Using @247Sports class calculator, #LSU projects to land the No. 1 class in 2015 w/ the addition of Malik Newman.
How does LSU land the #1 class in college hoops? Hmmmmmmmm.
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OT: Marcus LoVett is a senior and he hasn't even taken his ACT/SAT exam?
Jerry Meyer
@jerrymeyer247
2015 4-star PG Marcus LoVett postpones decision per @michaelsobrien. Hasn't taken ACT. Hasn't visited St. John's. http://bit.ly/1NgWvxQ
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How does LSU land the #1 class in college hoops? Hmmmmmmmm.
They already had the #1 and #18 ranked players signed (attached):
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Johhny Jones must be doing something right in Baton Rogue.
Dale Brown had a couple stretches with three top ten seasons in 79-81. Then a second run 90-92 with three ranked teams when Shaq and Chris Jackson were there.
I believe current Head Coach Johnny Jones played on those 79-81 teams with Rudy Macklin, including the Final Four run in '81.
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They already had the #1 and #18 ranked players signed (attached):
Yes, I understand the math...just missing how all these studs ended up at LSU. Bet we find out in a couple of years. Cough...NCAA investigation...cough.
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Yes, I understand the math...just missing how all these studs ended up at LSU. Bet we find out in a couple of years. Cough...NCAA investigation...cough.
Gotcha... Johnny Jones is just a good recruiter...(?)
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Yes, I understand the math...just missing how all these studs ended up at LSU. Bet we find out in a couple of years. Cough...NCAA investigation...cough.
Ben Simmons is somehow related to one of their assistant coaches. Blakeney is a AAU teammate of Simmons.
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Yes, I understand the math...just missing how all these studs ended up at LSU. Bet we find out in a couple of years. Cough...NCAA investigation...cough.
I don't know. Marquette has a top 8 class. Why is it that much different than LSU?
Simmons is from Australia and LSU was recruiting him long and hard before anyone else showed interest and Simmons rewarded that. Nothing sketchy there.
Blakeney is a bit different, backed out of his commitment with Louisville and strong indication that his new commitment is Nike related. A bit squirmy but nothing really out of the ordinary.
Malik Newman is from the southeast and sees an opportunity to play with arguably the best SF and SG in the class close to home.
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I don't know. Marquette has a top 8 class. Why is it that much different than LSU?
Simmons is from Australia and LSU was recruiting him long and hard before anyone else showed interest and Simmons rewarded that. Nothing sketchy there.
Blakeney is a bit different, backed out of his commitment with Louisville and strong indication that his new commitment is Nike related. A bit squirmy but nothing really out of the ordinary.
Malik Newman is from the southeast and sees an opportunity to play with arguably the best SF and SG in the class close to home.
It's seemed like Newman has been trying to hitch his wagon with someone for quite some time. He wants to not really be the "man" but rather go with another. He had that package deal with Stone earlier, now the sort of "want to play with Simmons and Blakeney" thing.
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I don't know. Marquette has a top 8 class. Why is it that much different than LSU?
Simmons is from Australia and LSU was recruiting him long and hard before anyone else showed interest and Simmons rewarded that. Nothing sketchy there.
Blakeney is a bit different, backed out of his commitment with Louisville and strong indication that his new commitment is Nike related. A bit squirmy but nothing really out of the ordinary.
Malik Newman is from the southeast and sees an opportunity to play with arguably the best SF and SG in the class close to home.
Seriously? Ellenson is the centerpiece of the class...and he's a Wisconsin boy staying close to home. Cheatham is ranked around 80 and Heldt barely cracks the top 150. Otherwise, it's exactly the same. ::)
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Seriously? Ellenson is the centerpiece of the class...and he's a Wisconsin boy staying close to home. Cheatham is ranked around 80 and Heldt barely cracks the top 150. Otherwise, it's exactly the same. ::)
I'm not saying it's the same, but it's one highly rated class. If they start stringing together top 5 classes annually then something might be up. I gave you a plausible scenario. Every time a non basketball power rakes in a great class doesn't mean it's dirty.
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I'm not saying it's the same, but it's one highly rated class. If they start stringing together top 5 classes annually then something might be up. I gave you a plausible scenario. Every time a non basketball power rakes in a great class doesn't mean it's dirty.
It does when that school has a history of bending the rules. We'll see.
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Anyway, back to the topic. Really impressed if Wojo can pull this off. Grab one of the top PGs left after making up a lot of ground. Seems like MU has come from way back in the pack.
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Anybody seen this guy play since the injury? Can anybody compare him to Nosko's game? Taking out the baggage that comes with Nosko and just looking solely at basketball ability, Nosko is ranked higher in the recruit rankings, but is Carter far behind? Does either have a higher ceiling?
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Yes, I understand the math...just missing how all these studs ended up at LSU. Bet we find out in a couple of years. Cough...NCAA investigation...cough.
Probably how all the studs were going to Baylor and SMU in the past few years.
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Anybody seen this guy play since the injury? Can anybody compare him to Nosko's game? Taking out the baggage that comes with Nosko and just looking solely at basketball ability, Nosko is ranked higher in the recruit rankings, but is Carter far behind? Does either have a higher ceiling?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBT3CqS5C20
Fairly recent highlight video. I understand it's hard to take much away from a highlight video as he sure isn't going to shoot 1.000 like he did in this, but the offensive game is certainly there to contribute from day one. It will come down to whether he can defend or not.
Shows good shot form, fairly quick release, ability to shoot it off of the dribble, and a smooth (all in 1 motion, not a bunch of hitches or different angles like Juan and JJJ) shot form. Has the ability to hit from the outside, mid range, or get to the rim. Willing to penetrate and finish or dish. Quick, especially with change of directions. Dribbles the ball too high, but I have no doubt that our coaching staff will be able to fix that before he ever sees a minute of game action if he ends up choosing Marquette.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBT3CqS5C20
Fairly recent highlight video. I understand it's hard to take much away from a highlight video as he sure isn't going to shoot 1.000 like he did in this, but the offensive game is certainly there to contribute from day one. It will come down to whether he can defend or not.
Shows good shot form, fairly quick release, ability to shoot it off of the dribble, and a smooth (all in 1 motion, not a bunch of hitches or different angles like Juan and JJJ) shot form. Has the ability to hit from the outside, mid range, or get to the rim. Willing to penetrate and finish or dish. Quick, especially with change of directions. Dribbles the ball too high, but I have no doubt that our coaching staff will be able to fix that before he ever sees a minute of game action if he ends up choosing Marquette.
Like you said, it's tough to evaluate from a mixtape. However, he's got good quickness and a very smooth shot form. Those are the two things I like to see from a PG recruit. Quickness to drive by defenders, and an easy, repeatable shot.
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Dale Brown had a couple stretches with three top ten seasons in 79-81. Then a second run 90-92 with three ranked teams when Shaq and Chris Jackson were there.
Four McDonalds All-Americans, including the best center in the nation for three years and perhaps the best guard in the country for two seasons ... and LSU won 2 NCAA tournament games from 1989-92.
Now THAT'S some impressive underachieving.
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Really, need this. Have it on good authority that we will be losing another player after the season. Straight from the horses mouth.
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Really, need this. Have it on good authority that we will be losing another player after the season. Straight from the horses mouth.
No more info than that?
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No more info than that?
Said player is pretty homesick. That should be be enough info to fill in the blanks based on the demographic of our roster. Again, not saying things wont change but as of this moment, thats where the situation is at.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBT3CqS5C20
Fairly recent highlight video. I understand it's hard to take much away from a highlight video as he sure isn't going to shoot 1.000 like he did in this, but the offensive game is certainly there to contribute from day one. It will come down to whether he can defend or not.
Shows good shot form, fairly quick release, ability to shoot it off of the dribble, and a smooth (all in 1 motion, not a bunch of hitches or different angles like Juan and JJJ) shot form. Has the ability to hit from the outside, mid range, or get to the rim. Willing to penetrate and finish or dish. Quick, especially with change of directions. Dribbles the ball too high, but I have no doubt that our coaching staff will be able to fix that before he ever sees a minute of game action if he ends up choosing Marquette.
I by no means expect/think he is like DJO. But, one of those drives to the hoop made me have a flashback to DJO. I miss that guy.
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Really, need this. Have it on good authority that we will be losing another player after the season. Straight from the horses mouth.
Love this cryptic stuff. Makes life interesting.
OK ... I'll start ... I can't believe we're losing Mache!
(Don't know which one; take your pick.)
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Said player is pretty homesick. That should be be enough info to fill in the blanks based on the demographic of our roster. Again, not saying things wont change but as of this moment, thats where the situation is at.
Well, that's unfortunate. Allegedly, he lost his 2 close friends, so, can't say I'm surprised. But still sucks.
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But JJJ just tweeted he loves being at Marquette
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I blame Ners for messing with his head.
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Four McDonalds All-Americans, including the best center in the nation for three years and perhaps the best guard in the country for two seasons ... and LSU won 2 NCAA tournament games from 1989-92.
Now THAT'S some impressive underachieving.
Dale couldn't coach a lick, but he was a heckuva salesman/hustler.
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But JJJ just tweeted he loves being at Marquette
I heard he made some comment about being at a Private School. Oh well. Or is Cohen transferring to UWGB?
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I heard he made some comment about being at a Private School. Oh well. Or is Cohen transferring to UWGB?
If there's one thing you should learn from scoop...it is to not trust "sources"
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Maybe JaJuan informed Wojo at half that he's leaving. Not on the floor yet.....
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Would anyone other than maybe Grambling want JJJ?
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JJ is just so inconsistent. You never know when he's going to play well.
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We're just so bad...
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has Carter arrived yet, and can we get him in some games this year?
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Would anyone other than maybe Grambling want JJJ?
JjJ could do very well at a Tennessee Tech, East Tennessee State, UT Martin, etc. I also wouldn't be surprised if a team like Memphis, Ole Miss, or Vandy take a flier on him. He's got the athletic ability, he just doesn't have the fundamentals. In theory, those can be taught.
I also don't believe that JjJ is for sure gone. He was for sure gone last season and Wojo still brought him back.
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JjJ could do very well at a Tennessee Tech, East Tennessee State, UT Martin, etc. I also wouldn't be surprised if a team like Memphis, Ole Miss, or Vandy take a flier on him. He's got the athletic ability, he just doesn't have the fundamentals. In theory, those can be taught.
I also don't believe that JjJ is for sure gone. He was for sure gone last season and Wojo still brought him back.
Memphis, Vandy, Ole Miss will have zero interest. He needs to find a home at a low- or mid-major. No one in the Power 5 will want him.
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Memphis, Vandy, Ole Miss will have zero interest. He needs to find a home at a low- or mid-major. No one in the Power 5 will want him.
Might be true, but I doubt you're right. Jajuan has elite level speed and that will appeal to some. Not any top teams, but some of the not so good Power 5 teams will at least check him out. His numbers aren't as bad as everyone on here thinks they are.
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JjJ could do very well at a Tennessee Tech, East Tennessee State, UT Martin, etc. I also wouldn't be surprised if a team like Memphis, Ole Miss, or Vandy take a flier on him. He's got the athletic ability, he just doesn't have the fundamentals. In theory, those can be taught.
I also don't believe that JjJ is for sure gone. He was for sure gone last season and Wojo still brought him back.
That's before he saw him play this season.
s before
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I think our returning players all have interesting decisions. Both Luke and Duane will see themselves correctly as starters. Both are local kids with upsides on a Big East team that will be better next year. Steve will be a Senior and on track to graduate. I'd be shocked if he left when he didn't last year. Sandy saw way more opportunity than most Freshmen typically see and showed he has the ability to contribute and can expect to continue to do that going forward.
JjJ has the most interesting decision. Seemingly somewhat over matched at the high D-1 level, I'd think he'd view the incoming recruiting class as a genuine threat to his playing time. Does he go the route of a Jamail Jones or Jamal Ferguson? Would a Murray State be interested? Surely a UT-Martin would be. Only he can decide if that's his next move. And if he does I absolutely wish him well.
Look, I want all our kids to be successful and happy. I give great credit to JjJ for listening to his coach and fighting hard for his team this year. He could have bailed at Christmas but didn't, probably in everyone's best interest. But I wonder if a change of scenery might do him good now. Only he and his family can decide that.
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it wouldn't be marquette if we didn't have an off-season transfer
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it wouldn't be marquette if we didn't have an off-season transfer
Death. Taxes. And MU transfers.
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it wouldn't be marquette D-1 college hoops if we didn't have an off-season transfer
FIFY
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I'd be sad to see JJJ leave. I feel he would be better served with more talent around him (being more of a complimentary piece rather than a go-to guy). Let's face it, this year's team was severely lacking with ready, D-1 talent. With the incoming players next year, including some hopeful graduate transfer(s), there should be more talent filling out the roster - allowing him to better showcase his athletic ability and improved basketball skills. Duane and Luke will be better, Cohen will improve, Taylor will finally play his position. He will be one of the leaders on the team.
I hope he stays, works hard this summer, and becomes a regular contributor next season.
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Love this cryptic stuff. Makes life interesting.
OK ... I'll start ... I can't believe we're losing Mache!
(Don't know which one; take your pick.)
I bet Juan. Didn't we go through this already?
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I think our returning players all have interesting decisions. Both Luke and Duane will see themselves correctly as starters. Both are local kids with upsides on a Big East team that will be better next year. Steve will be a Senior and on track to graduate. I'd be shocked if he left when he didn't last year. Sandy saw way more opportunity than most Freshmen typically see and showed he has the ability to contribute and can expect to continue to do that going forward.
JjJ has the most interesting decision. Seemingly somewhat over matched at the high D-1 level, I'd think he'd view the incoming recruiting class as a genuine threat to his playing time. Does he go the route of a Jamail Jones or Jamal Ferguson? Would a Murray State be interested? Surely a UT-Martin would be. Only he can decide if that's his next move. And if he does I absolutely wish him well.
Look, I want all our kids to be successful and happy. I give great credit to JjJ for listening to his coach and fighting hard for his team this year. He could have bailed at Christmas but didn't, probably in everyone's best interest. But I wonder if a change of scenery might do him good now. Only he and his family can decide that.
Do you really believe that JJJ thinks he is somewhat over matched at this level? I don't think he feels that way. He has had an up and down year, but he still attacks the basket confidently, so it doesn't appear he feels he is overmatched, and he has had some 20 point games.
And what about the incoming class should make him feel threatened? He was more highly rated than those (except Ellenson). If JJJ should feel that way, then that same logic would hold for Sandy.
Do agree that he and his family must decide, especially if he feels he is not close enough to family and friends. Whatever he does, good luck to him.
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I know it's JjJ's decision, but he should get major time next year to play and prove he's ready for a major role on this team. Does he really want to sit a year and then play for a mid major team or maybe a high major that isn't on TV as much as a Big East team?
I see a lot of upside in JjJ staying, both for him and the program, especially if he can hit the weight room and take 1,000 shots a day over the summer. If he can improve like Vander did from Sophomore year to Junior year, as the great and powerful Ners said he could, he'd be a great keep.
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I bet Juan. Didn't we go through this already?
Juan is a senior. Unless he's going the Otule route, I think he's leaving.
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He flipped.
Not just that... Meyer flipped his Carter prediction from UConn to MU, but Meyer and 2 others also just picked a different 2015 PG, Nych Smith, to UConn.
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Juan is a senior. Unless he's going the Otule route, I think he's leaving.
Should have used teal I guess.
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Do you really believe that JJJ thinks he is somewhat over matched at this level? I don't think he feels that way. He has had an up and down year, but he still attacks the basket confidently, so it doesn't appear he feels he is overmatched, and he has had some 20 point games.
And what about the incoming class should make him feel threatened? He was more highly rated than those (except Ellenson). If JJJ should feel that way, then that same logic would hold for Sandy.
Do agree that he and his family must decide, especially if he feels he is not close enough to family and friends. Whatever he does, good luck to him.
Fair point. I can't tell you what JjJ thinks. Personally, I hope he stays but would understand why he might consider other options.
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It would be a loss if he doesn't come back, IF, he takes the attitude that he is going to improve and fight like heck to get a starting spot and playing time. If he isn't committed to a lot of time in the gym and weight room this summer, working with coaches and on his shot, then he may as well transfer now and sit out a year to work on his game.
I think the challenge for the coaching staff is to lay it out there, that if he wants playing time or to be a starter, he has to work like heck this off season.
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Might be true, but I doubt you're right. Jajuan has elite level speed and that will appeal to some. Not any top teams, but some of the not so good Power 5 teams will at least check him out. His numbers aren't as bad as everyone on here thinks they are.
First, I'd like to see JJJ stay. He has some talent, he can get better -- it does happen -- and I would just rather not have such a revolving door as a rule.
However, if he does go, one really doesn't know yet what kind of schools will pursue him. A Power 5 with a scholly open, relatively few realistic irons in the fire for top freshmen and a specific need at wing might go for somebody like him.
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Fair point. I can't tell you what JjJ thinks. Personally, I hope he stays but would understand why he might consider other options.
Here is where we start to run into playing time problems. JJJ will be competing with Duane and likely Anim and Cheatham for minutes. IMO, Duane needs to play 30 plus minutes per game. JJJ may not be happy with only 10-15 minutes per game. I know I would not if I had his talent. I think that is natural.
If he leaves, and I hope he stays, then we have lost a good player with two years experience. We do not know yet what Cheatham and Anim will bring to the table next year.
This is the type of problem that is created when you have 6 wing type players who are all talented. They all want to play. And the numbers simply do not allow that to happen.
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Here is where we start to run into playing time problems. JJJ will be competing with Duane and likely Anim and Cheatham for minutes. IMO, Duane needs to play 30 plus minutes per game. JJJ may not be happy with only 10-15 minutes per game. I know I would not if I had his talent. I think that is natural.
If he leaves, and I hope he stays, then we have lost a good player with two years experience. We do not know yet what Cheatham and Anim will bring to the table next year.
This is the type of problem that is created when you have 6 wing type players who are all talented. They all want to play. And the numbers simply do not allow that to happen.
The bolded part is the reason I think he needs to stay and what Wojo and staff need to hammer home for JjJ. One of the spots should be JjJ's to lose next year, provided he hits the weight room and shoots a jillion shots per day between the end of this season and the start of next. I don't think it's a stretch or a lie for Wojo to tell him that to keep him here.
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Here is where we start to run into playing time problems. JJJ will be competing with Duane and likely Anim and Cheatham for minutes. IMO, Duane needs to play 30 plus minutes per game. JJJ may not be happy with only 10-15 minutes per game. I know I would not if I had his talent. I think that is natural.
If he leaves, and I hope he stays, then we have lost a good player with two years experience. We do not know yet what Cheatham and Anim will bring to the table next year.
This is the type of problem that is created when you have 6 wing type players who are all talented. They all want to play. And the numbers simply do not allow that to happen.
We are 3-14 in conference. Absolutely nobody on this team is guaranteed anything. I hope JjJ stays and earns a ton of minutes next year based on his growth over the summer. But he must become a much better basketball player or be passed up by younger guys if he can't assuming we are to improve significantly in the near term. If either Cheatham or Anim are better than JjJ out of the box in June his opportunity will have passed and we simply can't call him a 'good player' or 'talented'. I hope that's not true and I sincerely hope Wojo gets to evaluate all of the guys going forward.
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Here is where we start to run into playing time problems. JJJ will be competing with Duane and likely Anim and Cheatham for minutes. IMO, Duane needs to play 30 plus minutes per game. JJJ may not be happy with only 10-15 minutes per game. I know I would not if I had his talent. I think that is natural.
If he leaves, and I hope he stays, then we have lost a good player with two years experience. We do not know yet what Cheatham and Anim will bring to the table next year.
This is the type of problem that is created when you have 6 wing type players who are all talented. They all want to play. And the numbers simply do not allow that to happen.
If a player leaves because he is afraid of some competition from some incoming freshmen then good riddance. I want the type of player who will use that as added incentive and motivation to improve. It's ridiculous to let that possibility drive your recruiting philosophy and decisions.
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The bolded part is the reason I think he needs to stay and what Wojo and staff need to hammer home for JjJ. One of the spots should be JjJ's to lose next year, provided he hits the weight room and shoots a jillion shots per day between the end of this season and the start of next. I don't think it's a stretch or a lie for Wojo to tell him that to keep him here.
Agree with Lighthouse. JjJ will be a JUNIOR! A junior who was getting 15 - 20 minutes as a Soph. A Junior with no Senior at his position ahead of him. A Junior Guard who will face a recruiting class of Freshman guards none of which was ranked in the top 50. Playing for a coach who seems to prefer a 3 guard offense. If he can't deal with that situation then he isn't much of a competitor.
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Fingers are crossed that Traci commits this weekend!
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Fingers are crossed that Traci commits this weekend!
Has he given a date or is there a date when they are able to announce their decisions? If my memory serves me correctly, he has already visited X...
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Has he given a date or is there a date when they are able to announce their decisions? If my memory serves me correctly, he has already visited X...
He can announce whenever he wants. He can sign his NLI starting April 15.
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If a player leaves because he is afraid of some competition from some incoming freshmen then good riddance. I want the type of player who will use that as added incentive and motivation to improve. It's ridiculous to let that possibility drive your recruiting philosophy and decisions.
If you would have read my other post, I said that it appears that JJJ is not one that would be afraid of competition from incoming freshmen. And I did not say that should drive the recruiting philosophy. I have said that 6 wings is enough, especially with Duane being on the floor 30 plus minutes per game. Others think that 8 or 9 is all right because "It will sort itself out". I do not believe in that and do not believe most coaches do either. It breeds for discontent.
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He's a 2, correct? Any other 1s who are going to be a steal?
KJ Walton is probably best unsigned guard. He's a combo who can really light it up. A stronger Dwight Buycks. There are still some question marks if he'll quality but last I heard he's gonna squeak through. Minny and Cincy are on him the hardest.
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If you would have read my other post, I said that it appears that JJJ is not one that would be afraid of competition from incoming freshmen. And I did not say that should drive the recruiting philosophy. I have said that 6 wings is enough, especially with Duane being on the floor 30 plus minutes per game. Others think that 8 or 9 is all right because "It will sort itself out". I do not believe in that and do not believe most coaches do either. It breeds for discontent.
Assuming we add Carter...
PG - Traci Carter, Haanif Cheatham, (Duane Wilson)
SG - Duane Wilson, Haanif Cheatham, Sacar Anim
SF - Jajuan Johnson, Sandy Cohen, Wally Ellenson, Sacar Anim
PF - Henry Ellenson, Steve Taylor, Wally Ellenson
C - Luke Fischer, Matt Heldt, Steve Taylor
Where is this overlap you are talking about? Maybe Duane slides to some point, Jajuan slides down, but everyone on the roster would be either first or second option at some position in that set-up except for Anim and Wally, both of whom could see minutes at 2-3 positions. Every time this comes up you talk about discontent or how we have too many guys for the positions, yet when I actually ask you to say why you evade the question.
Could we use another PG in this setup? Sure. Maybe another big man to allow Henry to play the 3 and give us a bit more grit underneath? Sure. Would some guys, possibly Anim or Cheatham, have to wait their turn for minutes? Sure. But will that upset the entire applecart of the program? I don't think so.
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Given the quality of recruit and the schools MU is going up against, I think a "coup" is overstating it a bit.
At this stage of the game he is. The well is really dry for PGs in '15 and if Carter didn't get hurt and played this summer he'd be a fringe top 100 player (90-120).
He's basically what you wish Derrick Wilson would be.
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He's basically what you wish Derrick Wilson would be.
Traci's a football player?
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I know I am in the minority on this, but if an incoming guard was described as Derrick Wilson with a jumpshot and the confidence to finish at the rim, I would be ecstatic.
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Memphis, Vandy, Ole Miss will have zero interest. He needs to find a home at a low- or mid-major. No one in the Power 5 will want him.
Iowa State wanted Burton, and he was behind JjJ.
JjJ staying or leaving could (should?) come down to whether JjJ thinks he can play defense to Wojo's satisfaction.
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Assuming we add Carter...
PG - Traci Carter, Haanif Cheatham, (Duane Wilson)
SG - Duane Wilson, Haanif Cheatham, Sacar Anim
SF - Jajuan Johnson, Sandy Cohen, Wally Ellenson, Sacar Anim
PF - Henry Ellenson, Steve Taylor, Wally Ellenson
C - Luke Fischer, Matt Heldt, Steve Taylor
Where is this overlap you are talking about? Maybe Duane slides to some point, Jajuan slides down, but everyone on the roster would be either first or second option at some position in that set-up except for Anim and Wally, both of whom could see minutes at 2-3 positions. Every time this comes up you talk about discontent or how we have too many guys for the positions, yet when I actually ask you to say why you evade the question.
Could we use another PG in this setup? Sure. Maybe another big man to allow Henry to play the 3 and give us a bit more grit underneath? Sure. Would some guys, possibly Anim or Cheatham, have to wait their turn for minutes? Sure. But will that upset the entire applecart of the program? I don't think so.
We have 6 guys already for next year that are 2G/Wings: Duane, Sandy, JJJ, Cheatham, Anim, Wally (who is listed as a G on the roster.) And people are saying we may go after another one. That is 80 minutes for those two positions. If Duane gets 30 plus, that leaves about 50 for the other 5 guys. Not saying that will happen, but some of those guys may become unhappy, with DNP's or two or three minutes per game.
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We have 6 guys already for next year that are 2G/Wings: Duane, Sandy, JJJ, Cheatham, Anim, Wally (who is listed as a G on the roster.) And people are saying we may go after another one. That is 80 minutes for those two positions. If Duane gets 30 plus, that leaves about 50 for the other 5 guys. Not saying that will happen, but some of those guys may become unhappy, with DNP's or two or three minutes per game.
I'm fairly confident Wally will play some 4, no matter how they list him on the roster. Duane will also play some 1. We'll run some 3-guard lineups like we do this year.
Regardless, even if all of those guys were pigeon-holed to only those two positions (they're not), that gives those 6 players an average of 13.3 mpg and the other 7 would average 17.2 mpg. And as there will be some crossover, that's really not much of a disparity.
On a 13-man roster, some guys are not going to play. That's just reality. There is no easy fix. The only way this is a problem is that we have to find a way to keep 13 players happy with an average of 15.4 minutes per player per game. That's all 13 guys divided into the 200 available minutes. The only way to change that is to take transfers that won't play next year. Maybe Wojo will do that. Otherwise, some guys are going to be unhappy. Just like would be the case on any team in the country with 13 scholarship players.
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I know I am in the minority on this, but if an incoming guard was described as Derrick Wilson with a jumpshot and the confidence to finish at the rim, I would be ecstatic.
Well yeah. But that guy would be going to duke.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBT3CqS5C20
Fairly recent highlight video. I understand it's hard to take much away from a highlight video as he sure isn't going to shoot 1.000 like he did in this, but the offensive game is certainly there to contribute from day one. It will come down to whether he can defend or not.
Shows good shot form, fairly quick release, ability to shoot it off of the dribble, and a smooth (all in 1 motion, not a bunch of hitches or different angles like Juan and JJJ) shot form. Has the ability to hit from the outside, mid range, or get to the rim. Willing to penetrate and finish or dish. Quick, especially with change of directions. Dribbles the ball too high, but I have no doubt that our coaching staff will be able to fix that before he ever sees a minute of game action if he ends up choosing Marquette.
Wow, underrated is right judging by that video. Tight handle, quick/explosive, changes speeds very well, constantly probes the defense, can get his and create for others too. He would be an instant upgrade at the 1, and a guy I'd give the keys to from day 1. Really hope he sees the appeal of immediate PT and a bench full of former stud D1 PG mentors.
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Assuming we add Carter...
PG - Traci Carter, Haanif Cheatham, (Duane Wilson)
SG - Duane Wilson, Haanif Cheatham, Sacar Anim
SF - Jajuan Johnson, Sandy Cohen, Wally Ellenson, Sacar Anim
PF - Henry Ellenson, Steve Taylor, Wally Ellenson
C - Luke Fischer, Matt Heldt, Steve Taylor
I keep hearing this. Can Cheatham really play PG? Is that was he is doing at the HS level?
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Onepostellenson recently clarified an earlier comment. He said the staff views Cheatham as someone that has some intriguing potential as a PG. The intriguing potential comment originally morphed into "the staff thinks Cheatham is a PG" but he's really a wing first and foremost. They aren't going to be sure until Cheatham arrives on campus.
I think Duane will play some PG as will Carter/whoever commits. Cheatham is probably 3rd in line behind them. If the staff adds 2 PG, Duane might play almost exclusively on the wing and Cheatham is at best a longterm maybe at PG.
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If a player leaves because he is afraid of some competition from some incoming freshmen then good riddance. I want the type of player who will use that as added incentive and motivation to improve. It's ridiculous to let that possibility drive your recruiting philosophy and decisions.
I agree with this. Looking back to 2004-05, we had two good guards (Joe Chapman and Dameon Mason) scheduled to return. But in 2005-06, we had the amigos coming in. Chapman stood up to the challenge, and had a solid senior season for MU. Mason left for LSU. Dameon certainly had the talent to help MU in his final two seasons, but if he didn't want to compete with the amigos and risk coming off the bench, it was better for both sides that he left.
I don't know what JJJ is thinking and hope he stays. We'll probably know soon.
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Traci's a football player?
Ok. That's funny.
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Let's say we do land Carter, would Wojo and staff still pursue Dequon Miller? maybe it's just me, but I get nervous letting a true freshman run the point. If we were to add Miller, it would allow Carter to ease into the speed of college basketball and he would be a great "first man on the bench". Plus, by the time Carter was an upperclassman, Miller would be gone, and it would be his team to run.
Question for those in the know. If we land Carter, and Miller makes grades, will we still pursue?
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Let's say we do land Carter, would Wojo and staff still pursue Dequon Miller? maybe it's just me, but I get nervous letting a true freshman run the point. If we were to add Miller, it would allow Carter to ease into the speed of college basketball and he would be a great "first man on the bench". Plus, by the time Carter was an upperclassman, Miller would be gone, and it would be his team to run.
Question for those in the know. If we land Carter, and Miller makes grades, will we still pursue?
Great question, and I'm wondering the same. Right now I fully expect the staff to pursue 1-2 transfers. If I were laying money, I'd say one regular transfer and one grad student. Possible they look at a JUCO or two instead, but I'm starting to think onepostellenson was right when he indicated the JUCO targets were backup plans to guys like Anim and Carter.
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Great question, and I'm wondering the same. Right now I fully expect the staff to pursue 1-2 transfers. If I were laying money, I'd say one regular transfer and one grad student. Possible they look at a JUCO or two instead, but I'm starting to think onepostellenson was right when he indicated the JUCO targets were backup plans to guys like Anim and Carter.
I think O'Field ends up at MU. Wojo and staff following him on Twitter (not the case with Miller or any other JUCO) and O'field follows any MU fan that follows him.
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Great question, and I'm wondering the same. Right now I fully expect the staff to pursue 1-2 transfers. If I were laying money, I'd say one regular transfer and one grad student. Possible they look at a JUCO or two instead, but I'm starting to think onepostellenson was right when he indicated the JUCO targets were backup plans to guys like Anim and Carter.
I know what position I'd like to fill with Moore of an option... (get my drift brew?!?!?)
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I think O'Field ends up at MU. Wojo and staff following him on Twitter (not the case with Miller or any other JUCO) and O'field follows any MU fan that follows him.
It's possible, and with 3 years of eligibility, I think he's the most likely possible JUCO we have looked at. However like Outlaw to Anim and Miller to Carter, I think he might be a backup plan.
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A name was brought up on another blog---Malik Ellison of Bryn Mar, Pa. Is he worth a schollie?
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I know what position I'd like to fill with Moore of an option... (get my drift brew?!?!?)
Guessing you're hoping Wojo can Nic a grad transfer PG ;)
I would like that, though if not, we could always Gbinje someone else a shot.
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Malik Ellison is Pervis Ellison's son. Thoughts on Boeheim and Syracuse getting the book thrown at them.
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I know what position I'd like to fill with Moore of an option... (get my drift brew?!?!?)
So you're hoping for a gift from St. Nick, huh?
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fwiw, I don't see Wally at the 4 (at least I can't call it that.. he can be the fourth guard/wing out there though... and crash the O-glass something crazy... but guarding a 4 in BEast? ehhh)... and Haanif... don't see him getting regular minutes at PG.
The options available next year though are fun.
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Any Traci Carter sightings at the game? Glad we got the victory while he was here.
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Any Traci Carter sightings at the game? Glad we got the victory while he was here.
Saw him hanging out on the bench pregame. No taller than 5'9"
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Saw him hanging out on the bench pregame. No taller than 5'9"
He's definitely taller than 5'9.
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going by his tweet yesterday it does not sound like the visit went well.
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Saw him hanging out on the bench pregame. No taller than 5'9"
He's definitely taller than 5'9.
Maybe ChitownJuan saw Darrell Riley, instead?
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So how did the visit go?
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going by his tweet yesterday it does not sound like the visit went well.
Just went to check out what you meant by this. So you think his quoting of a Kendrick Lamar line means the visit sucked? Well, yeah, we're effed.
::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ::)
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Just went to check out what you meant by this. So you think his quoting of a Kendrick Lamar line means the visit sucked? Well, yeah, we're effed.
::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ::)
Recruits being around always gets the trolls oozing out of the woodwork. Who was the guy who insisted that Henry Ellenson's visit was a disaster?
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Just went to check out what you meant by this. So you think his quoting of a Kendrick Lamar line means the visit sucked? Well, yeah, we're effed.
::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ::)
LMAO
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going by his tweet yesterday it does not sound like the visit went well.
....wow
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To get back on topic, Chick and I believe we saw Traci with his dad outside the locker room. His group seemed to be about 4 people and it seemed to be all business. I commented that having his dad by his side on a visit was a good sign. While MU is above board, I can't imagine the BS that might occur as some schools. Too cold for the ice cream truck?
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To get back on topic, Chick and I believe we saw Traci with his dad outside the locker room. His group seemed to be about 4 people and it seemed to be all business. I commented that having his dad by his side on a visit was a good sign. While MU is above board, I can't imagine the BS that might occur as some schools. Too cold for the ice cream truck?
Was it his dad or a coach...? Guy was a lot bigger than Traci.
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Recruits being around always gets the trolls oozing out of the woodwork. Who was the guy who insisted that Henry Ellenson's visit was a disaster?
If mhendrick is a guy by the same name that I graduated from MU with, he is about the biggest doucher I have ever met, so there is that.
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If mhendrick is a guy by the same name that I graduated from MU with, he is about the biggest doucher I have ever met, so there is that.
yes I clean your wifes snatch on a regular basis
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yes I clean your wifes snatch on a regular basis
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yes I clean your wifes snatch on a regular basis
Cool story, bro. You can go away now.
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yes I clean your wifes snatch on a regular basis
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Very classless.
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yes I clean your wifes snatch on a regular basis
What's a snatch?
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a yogurt gun holster.
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What's a snatch?
(http://www.gifmania.co.uk/Sports-Animated-Gifs/Animated-weightlifting/Lu-Xiaojun-Snatch-82247.gif)
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Was it his dad or a coach...? Guy was a lot bigger than Traci.
Well it certainly wasn't 'old school'. He was looking for his suit with Diener.
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(http://www.gifmania.co.uk/Sports-Animated-Gifs/Animated-weightlifting/Lu-Xiaojun-Snatch-82247.gif)
+1
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a yogurt gun holster.
A poosay, hey?
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CLEAN IT UP!
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clean the .....??
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Anyhoo ...
Does anybody really know how the visit went?
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I need to stop reading scoop on the crapper. People get really worried when they hear me giggling in the bathroom
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How many people do you have in your bathroom?
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Anyhoo ...
Does anybody really know how the visit went?
Staff took him out for dinner yesterday, he was enjoying himself and they took him to a Bucks game too. Hopefully that didn't ruin things.
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How many people do you have in your bathroom?
I've got a loud laugh
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Staff took him out for dinner yesterday, he was enjoying himself and they took him to a Bucks game too. Hopefully that didn't ruin things.
Why would it? The Bucks are the hell of a lot more fun to watch than MU.
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Staff took him out for dinner yesterday, he was enjoying himself and they took him to a Bucks game too. Hopefully that didn't ruin things.
The Bucks didn't play yesterday but did beat a solid Wizards team tonight. It just so happens that Jabari Parker still sits on the Bucks bench and our head coach happens to know him pretty well...
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yes I clean your wifes snatch on a regular basis
(http://i.imgur.com/GZUKvFD.gif)
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yes I clean your wifes snatch on a regular basis
Imagine being the kind of guy who is called a douche so often you keep this comeback ready.
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Why would it? The Bucks are the hell of a lot more fun to watch than MU.
Not only that, but having an NBA team in the same building as MU, is definitely a plus in recruiting. And I've heard guys who have committed to MU say as much. These are 17-18 year old kids, they're all starry eyed about the NBA.
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Why aren't foul comments deleted from here???
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Traci's a football player?
Ok, I really appreciate Derrick, but that was funny.
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This is where u hit the reset button in the video game.
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Why aren't foul comments deleted from here???
Due to the First Amendment to the Scoop Bill of Rights.
I believe that it has something to do with letting guys sleep in the beds they've made for themselves.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/recruiting-roundup-2015-guards-traci-carter-eli-cain-enjoy-visits/
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I have been looking for a Traci Carter visit update, thanks for posting. I am hoping we can officially welcome him to the MU family soon!
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The good news is he doesn't visit UCONN for a 2 weeks. Hopefully he commits before visiting there.
Also, did DePaul host a recruit on a weekend they had an away game? I know it's a short trip, but that seems odd to me.
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I found the DePaul visit odd too.
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I found the DePaul visit odd too.
They are apparently locked in a heated battle with Iona.
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The good news is he doesn't visit UCONN for a 2 weeks. Hopefully he commits before visiting there.
IMO if he makes it to UConn, he isn't coming here.
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IMO if he makes it to UConn, he isn't coming here.
This makes sense.
Hopefully he removes the suspense and rings out ahoya in the next few days!
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/recruiting-roundup-2015-guards-traci-carter-eli-cain-enjoy-visits/
Like hearing all the PG stuff referenced by his.
Obviously they are aware that our coaches were all PGS and wojo coached under coach K. But nice hearing him lost all those positives. Makes it sound like they are really interested in the situation MU provides.
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IMO if he makes it to UConn, he isn't coming here.
That could be the case, but you never know. He's a hot commodity right now, unless he feels an overwhelming pull to a school, he should take all of his visits.
Wojo got a late start on this one and closed a bunch of ground in a short period of time. I still feel good about MU's position.
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For those who didn't click article; Traci Carter has 2 more visits set:
UCONN - March 20-22
Memphis - March 27-29
Edit: Messmer of 247 crystal ball Carter to UCONN last night
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For those who didn't click article; Traci Carter has 2 more visits set:
UCONN - March 20-22
Memphis - March 27-29
The article calls them "tentative" visits.
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They are apparently locked in a heated battle with Iona.
If that doesn't speak to where that program is under JLP and Purnell I don't know what does. Hosting a recruit for a road game (probably better atmosphere than Allstate) and competing with schools in low-major leagues. Just kind of sad.
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Sounds like he had a very good visit. Let's hope that Wojo and the staff's ability to coach him up from the start will be a big foundation for him to base his decision.
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Worth watching whether or not Jahshire Hardnett visits UConn in the coming weeks. He's a 3-star PG that the Huskies are in on. They offered in February and he was reportedly setting up an official visit then, but so far I haven't seen a concrete date given. If he committed, that would give UConn 12 scholarships filled for next year and they are still in for Diamond Stone, Cheick Diallo, and Thon Maker. Have to think that a Hardnett commit would take Carter out of the mix for Kevin Ollie.
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Apologies of this has been mentioned already (didn't want to scroll through four pages of snatch comments to find out), but both Mark Miller and Jerry Meyer updated their crystal ball predictions last week for Carter to MU.
So, that's a potentially good sign.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Traci-Carter-at-Life-Center-Academy-59697/CurrentExpertPredictions
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Apologies of this has been mentioned already (didn't want to scroll through four pages of snatch comments to find out), but both Mark Miller and Jerry Meyer updated their crystal ball predictions last week for Carter to MU.
So, that's a potentially good sign.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Traci-Carter-at-Life-Center-Academy-59697/CurrentExpertPredictions
I don't believe Mark has ever predicted someone to Marquette that didn't commit to Marquette. I don't expect him to be wrong this time either.
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Apologies of this has been mentioned already (didn't want to scroll through four pages of snatch comments to find out), but both Mark Miller and Jerry Meyer updated their crystal ball predictions last week for Carter to MU.
So, that's a potentially good sign.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Traci-Carter-at-Life-Center-Academy-59697/CurrentExpertPredictions
True, but that was before his official to MU. Then the first prediction after his visit is to UConn.
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True, but that was before his official to MU. Then the first prediction after his visit is to UConn.
Yeah, but that's some 19-year-old kid from southern Indiana making that prediction.
Obviously all just speculation at this point, but push comes to shove, I'll take my chances on Miller and Meyer.
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Yeah, but that's some 19-year-old kid from southern Indiana making that prediction.
Obviously all just speculation at this point, but push comes to shove, I'll take my chances on Miller and Meyer.
Hard to argue with Miller's track record.
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True, but that was before his official to MU. Then the first prediction after his visit is to UConn.
Agree with Brewcity on this one. Would be surprised if it was anywhere but MU.
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Let's at least give the kid 72 hours after getting home before we worry he's moved on. Take some time to talk to his advisors, parents, and faculty. I'm not worried at all about that UConn prediction.
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I don't believe Mark has ever predicted someone to Marquette that didn't commit to Marquette. I don't expect him to be wrong this time either.
Is that really the guy's track record on MU predictions? If so, how the hell does he find out this stuff? I know Sherlock Holmes claimed he never guesses, so what gives with Miller?
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Is that really the guy's track record on MU predictions? If so, how the hell does he find out this stuff? I know Sherlock Holmes claimed he never guesses, so what gives with Miller?
He's very well connected. When it comes to hoops in the state of Wisconsin, Miller is THE guy and everyone knows it.
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He's in good with a lot of AAU coaches,who normally know the players decision before most people.
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Decision set for tomorrow! Got to be a good sign.
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Looking good for MU. Fresh off his visit.
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Its interesting that Wojo seems to have told Traci that the starting PG job is his. "Hand him the keys" is what I think was reported to have been said. That is a lot of faith to place in a high school kid. I remember when we did that with DJ the year of the 3 amigos and it worked BUT as I recall DJ was a top 40 kid and acknowledged to be one of the top PGs in the nation coming out of HS. Running the point in a tough league like the BE is going to be pretty demanding for a true freshman. I've got to hope that Wojo is a good judge of talent because he seems to be all in on this one. Don't know if you can get a Grad Transfer PG if he doesn't think he is going to be the starter. Hey I'm excited, I just hope it works.
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Where was it reported WoJo was going to hand him the keys?
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Where was it reported WoJo was going to hand him the keys?
http://zagsblog.com/articles/recruiting-roundup-2015-guards-traci-carter-eli-cain-enjoy-visits/
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Who else was gonna get the keys? We needed a good pg bad.
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"He will be given a CHANCE". His guardian got it exactly right. Of course he'll be given a chance.
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Paint Touches retweeted
Eric Bossi @ebosshoops 6m6 minutes ago
4-star PG Traci Carter confirms to me that he will announce his college decision at noon Eastern. Huge stock raiser this winter.
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Scout.com Evaluation
Coming off knee injury that held him out his final spring and summer on the AAU circuit, Carter has shown good speed, toughness and shooting ability. He's quick off the bounce, looks to create opportunities for his teammates and is a good passer. He'll need to cut down on his turnovers and value the ball more, but he's able to run a team. He's also an impressive long-range shooter that can heat up and make shots from mid-range too.
Strengths
Perimeter Shot
Speed/Quickness
Toughness
Weaknesses
Size for Position
Strength
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https://www.youtube.com/v/qBT3CqS5C20
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Forget 'bout the keys. This dude's got push button start, ai na?
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Hope Wojo can snatch him up
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His face looks like Mateen Cleeves's. Hopefully his college career goes similarly to Cleeves's, ai'na?
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His face looks like Mateen Cleeves's. Hopefully his college career goes similarly to Cleeves's, ai'na?
I thought he looked like Sugar Ray Leonard.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/498/1300044776986.jpg)
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My favorite part of that video is his (lack of) celebration - he shoots, he scores.... he runs back on D.
Nice change of pace to the touchdown-esque celebrations that have become a staple of high school hoops.