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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: VegasWarrior77 on January 27, 2015, 10:03:24 AM
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Brad Winton @JucoRecruiting 55 minutes ago
Marquette is the latest school to get involved with Maurice O'Field (6'5/2015) from Midland College: http://www.jucorecruiting.com/maurice-ofield-midland-college-basketball# …
Offers from Maryland,Arizona St,VA Tech & LA Tech
Interest from Marquette,Baylor,Gonzaga
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Winton tweeted about us being in on O'Field back in November, seems like an odd tweet to make now. Seems like a late-bloomer, but decent talent. Wouldn't put him as high on the priority list as someone like Deshawn Freeman or Tyrone Outlaw, but he'll be a good pickup for somebody in the next few months.
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Winton tweeted about us being in on O'Field back in November, seems like an odd tweet to make now. Seems like a late-bloomer, but decent talent. Wouldn't put him as high on the priority list as someone like Deshawn Freeman or Tyrone Outlaw, but he'll be a good pickup for somebody in the next few months.
Maurice O'Field: a nice young man brought up with a heritage of French and Irish. Probably has McGuire French Pastry moves.
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Maurice O'Field: a nice young man brought up with a heritage of French and Irish. Probably has McGuire French Pastry moves.
Since you often reference sixties music, I assume that you were around for the TV miniseries, Roots, in the late 70's. One of the points made over the course of several nights was that a side effect of living on a continent that your ancestors were brought to in shackles after being kidnapped so that they could serve as slave labor was the loss of your ancestral family name. When it was a crime for your ancestors to learn to read or write, much of your family history gets lost. Many times you discover that your family name is the name of the plantation owners who enslaved your ancestors.
Under these circumstances, having someone joke about your family name's origin being Northern European rather than African might be construed as them rubbing salt very deeply into an open wound.
I hope that I'm not upsetting you here by being too politically correct...
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Since you often reference sixties music, I assume that you were around for the TV miniseries, Roots, in the late 70's. One of the points made over the course of several nights was that a side effect of living on a continent that your ancestors were brought to in shackles after being kidnapped so that they could serve as slave labor was the loss of your ancestral family name. When it was a crime for your ancestors to learn to read or write, much of your family history gets lost. Many times you discover that your family name is the name of the plantation owners who enslaved your ancestors.
Under these circumstances, having someone joke about your family name's origin being Northern European rather than African might be construed as them rubbing salt very deeply into an open wound.
I hope that I'm not upsetting you here by being too politically correct...
And you are being too politically correct. Having fun with a name here has nothing to do with slavery, kidnapping and all of the rest of the real and imagined sins some people still throw out there to remind us of how evil of a country we are.
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And you are being too politically correct. Having fun with a name here has nothing to do with slavery, kidnapping and all of the rest of the real and imagined sins some people still throw out there to remind us of how evil of a country we are.
For you, it has nothing to do with it. For someone descended from former slaves. It has everything to do with everything
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For you, it has nothing to do with it. For someone descended from former slaves. It has everything to do with everything
Mr O'Field seems to be OK with his name - otherwise he would change it. But I'm sure he'll be grateful that you're offended on his behalf ;)
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Mr O'Field seems to be OK with his name - otherwise he would change it. But I'm sure he'll be grateful that you're offended on his behalf ;)
I'm sure he is just fine with it as well. But if a white person were to make fun of him for having a caucasian sounding last name, he would certainly have reason to be offended.
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Mr O'Field seems to be OK with his name - otherwise he would change it. But I'm sure he'll be grateful that you're offended on his behalf ;)
Lenny! You realize a surname is not a user name, right?
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I'm sure he is just fine with it as well. But if a white person were to make fun of him for having a caucasian sounding last name, he would certainly have reason to be offended.
I suppose he could choose to be offended, but my guess is he would probably just roll his eyes at a not very funny or original joke that he's heard 100 times before.
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A thread about a potential recruit turns into accusations of racism. Business as usual at Scoop. Topical suggestions for keeping it going even longer: MU football, the Warriors nickname, the effect of falling oil prices on the plight of the polar bear.
Anyone else have info on this kid?
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No MU offer yet, though I don't think we've formally offered any of the JUCO kids we're in on unless there was a quiet offer to Outlaw last week. O'Field recently served a suspension on his team, not sure why. The Ohio native will have 3 years of eligibility. He went JUCO because he didn't get high major offers out of high school and it's clearly paying off.
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Good. MU clearly needs more JUCO switchables.
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I'm sure he is just fine with it as well. But if a white person were to make fun of him for having a caucasian sounding last name, he would certainly have reason to be offended.
Only you would bring in "Caucasian sounding"--whatever the hell that is. Thank you for Sensitivity Training 101.
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Good. MU clearly needs more JUCO switchables.
I have a feeling O'Field will go elsewhere. Not that we don't have interest, just that he doesn't seem to be our top priority whereas others have been zeroed in on him for longer.
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Only you would bring in "Caucasian sounding"--whatever the hell that is. Thank you for Sensitivity Training 101.
I didn't. You did. You said he was of french and irish heritage. Those are types of caucasians.
Look no one is accusing anyone of being racist. Murs was merely pointing out that would you said could be taken that way. We know that wasn't your intent. But innocent words can have devastating effects.
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Brew-
Do you know who Wojo has zeroed in on or is he in more of an evaluation and relationship building phase? I know O'Field, Outlaw, Council and Anim have been watched but have no idea who, if anyone, is a priority.
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Brew-
Do you know who Wojo has zeroed in on or is he in more of an evaluation and relationship building phase? I know O'Field, Outlaw, Council and Anim have been watched but have no idea who, if anyone, is a priority.
Honestly, I'm not sure. It seems like they are out watching a ton of guys, making a ton of calls, but no offers yet. With the JUCO guys, I think they really want to do their homework, considering some of the issues we had in the past with JUCOs. O'Field, Outlaw, and Shawn Smith (Outlaw's teammate) were all full qualifiers out of high school so it would likely make it easier to get them graduated in 2 years. I think that's a bigger priority for this regime than the past one. Quite a few names were were mentioned with briefly (Dillard, LoVett, Freeman) but haven't been talked about lately. I think they really want to do their homework on everyone they bring it. That was easier with the first batch of recruits, most of whom were local.
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I didn't. You did. You said he was of french and irish heritage. Those are types of caucasians.
Look no one is accusing anyone of being racist. Murs was merely pointing out that would you said could be taken that way. We know that wasn't your intent. But innocent words can have devastating effects.
No you brought up the "Caucasian sounding". I don't think race like some others do. And I know that to some people innocent words can have a devastating effect. And I also know that there are a number of predators out there that use these things to raise a whole lot of hell over nothing. I guess everybody needs sensitivity training. This is a basketball forum and my reference was to Al McGuire and one of his Allisms. "French Pastry", and somebody takes offense to that by bringing up a whole lot of other trash? Nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have a feeling O'Field will go elsewhere. Not that we don't have interest, just that he doesn't seem to be our top priority whereas others have been zeroed in on him for longer.
Well, that, and we made fun of his caucasian sounding name.
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Thanks Brew. That's pretty much what my intuition was telling me. I think Wojo likes the 10 he has but will add a player or two. He'll be selective and look for a player that upgrades our roster, not just a flyer on a project. He's looking at HS, Prep & JUCO, and will probably consider grad transfers as well. Thinking a PG and a scoring wing, but they have to be legit BE players. Would not be surprised to see one held over to 2016 to give us another schollie for that class besides Taylor's.
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For you, it has nothing to do with it. For someone descended from former slaves. It has everything to do with everything
Actually, many thousands of Irish were sent to the New World as slaves and indentured servants early on. Ever wonder why people on Montserrat speak with a heavy brogue? They didn't fare well in the warmer climes so Africans became the mainstay of the slave trade.
Slavery is despicable and I can't believe why it is allowed to continue to this day
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Thanks Brew. That's pretty much what my intuition was telling me. I think Wojo likes the 10 he has but will add a player or two. He'll be selective and look for a player that upgrades our roster, not just a flyer on a project. He's looking at HS, Prep & JUCO, and will probably consider grad transfers as well. Thinking a PG and a scoring wing, but they have to be legit BE players. Would not be surprised to see one held over to 2016 to give us another schollie for that class besides Taylor's.
I agree with you on who to bring in. We hopefully snag 2 guys (HS, JUCO, Grad Transfer) this year: an experienced PG and a scoring wing like Tyrone Outlaw. Maybe keep closer tabs on Sacar Anim in case things with Noskowiak go south (I'm not starting rumors or insinuating anything). But I'd hope we can have 2 scholarships for 2016 as well. Maybe 3 if we do bring in a 1-year grad transfer. On that desired short list would be Sam Hauser, Cassius Winston, Amir Coffey.
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Since you often reference sixties music, I assume that you were around for the TV miniseries, Roots, in the late 70's. One of the points made over the course of several nights was that a side effect of living on a continent that your ancestors were brought to in shackles after being kidnapped so that they could serve as slave labor was the loss of your ancestral family name. When it was a crime for your ancestors to learn to read or write, much of your family history gets lost. Many times you discover that your family name is the name of the plantation owners who enslaved your ancestors.
Under these circumstances, having someone joke about your family name's origin being Northern European rather than African might be construed as them rubbing salt very deeply into an open wound.
I hope that I'm not upsetting you here by being too politically correct...
Is it possible to stick to basketball?
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I agree with you on who to bring in. We hopefully snag 2 guys (HS, JUCO, Grad Transfer) this year: an experienced PG and a scoring wing like Tyrone Outlaw. Maybe keep closer tabs on Sacar Anim in case things with Noskowiak go south (I'm not starting rumors or insinuating anything). But I'd hope we can have 2 scholarships for 2016 as well. Maybe 3 if we do bring in a 1-year grad transfer. On that desired short list would be Sam Hauser, Cassius Winston, Amir Coffey.
My dream is Nic Moore, if he ends up available as a senior transfer. He could be a rare All American transfer candidate. Him, Outlaw, and a sniper like Ricky Council would really help us turn things around quick.
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A thread about a potential recruit turns into accusations of racism. Business as usual at Scoop. Topical suggestions for keeping it going even longer: MU football, the Warriors nickname, the effect of falling oil prices on the plight of the polar bear.
Anyone else have info on this kid?
I heard he lost to Derek in a pickup game...
Over to you Ners...
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Thanks Brew. That's pretty much what my intuition was telling me. I think Wojo likes the 10 he has but will add a player or two. He'll be selective and look for a player that upgrades our roster, not just a flyer on a project. He's looking at HS, Prep & JUCO, and will probably consider grad transfers as well. Thinking a PG and a scoring wing, but they have to be legit BE players. Would not be surprised to see one held over to 2016 to give us another schollie for that class besides Taylor's.
great point about the 10! getting accustomed to playing 8 this year next years bench will seem like a luxury for Wojo.
also, as someone who would throw up their Irish heritage against anyone on this board.........NEVER suggest that being Irish has caused you any hardships. Yes i've lived in the South - it's not in the same universe.
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My dream is Nic Moore, if he ends up available as a senior transfer. He could be a rare All American transfer candidate. Him, Outlaw, and a sniper like Ricky Council would really help us turn things around quick.
Do we have any sort of background with Nic Moore? I remember watching him at Illinois State (grew up in Omaha and watched plenty of Creighton vs. ISU) and loved his game. And he's been SMU's go-to guy ever since. But Tim Jankovich left ISU to go to SMU so maybe even if Larry Brown gets in trouble he would still stick around for Jankovich.
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Nic Moore probably isn't worth thinking about yet. Even more of a pipe dream than Marquette making the tournament this year. But if SMU gets probation, their players will likely have the option to transfer. Really just looking at tea leaves and hoping for a lucky break. Even if he did transfer, he'd have a long line of suitors.
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Is it possible to stick to basketball?
No, not when others take time out to ridicule kids that we are talking about as potential recruits. Aren't you really saying can't we just see players and recruits as things rather than as people?
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No, not when others take time out to ridicule kids that we are talking about as potential recruits. Aren't you really saying can't we just see players and recruits as things rather than as people?
Jesus unnatural carnal knowledgeing christ. Hope your fall from that high horse knocks sense back (was it ever there?) into the brain.
Dude made a tired joke about an Irish surname on a black person. He wasn't ridiculing a kid, he wasn't de-humanizing him, he wasn't pulling some bullcrap post-colonial retribution. The only crime here is that it isn't funny.
By the way, Charles Barkley made the same joke about Kyle O'Quinn when that guy destroyed Mizzou in the NCAA Tournament a few years back. I'm sure you were just as faux-raged and sent a complaint letter to the FCC.
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Jesus unnatural carnal knowledgeing christ. Hope your fall from that high horse knocks sense back (was it ever there?) into the brain.
Dude made a tired joke about an Irish surname on a black person. He wasn't ridiculing a kid, he wasn't de-humanizing him, he wasn't pulling some bullcrap post-colonial retribution. The only crime here is that it isn't funny.
By the way, Charles Barkley made the same joke about Kyle O'Quinn when that guy destroyed Mizzou in the NCAA Tournament a few years back. I'm sure you were just as faux-raged and sent a complaint letter to the FCC.
+1
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Jesus unnatural carnal knowledgeing christ. Hope your fall from that high horse knocks sense back (was it ever there?) into the brain.
Dude made a tired joke about an Irish surname on a black person. He wasn't ridiculing a kid, he wasn't de-humanizing him, he wasn't pulling some bullcrap post-colonial retribution. The only crime here is that it isn't funny.
By the way, Charles Barkley made the same joke about Kyle O'Quinn when that guy destroyed Mizzou in the NCAA Tournament a few years back. I'm sure you were just as faux-raged and sent a complaint letter to the FCC.
I can't speak for Murs, but I don't think there's any faux-rage or real rage here. Someone made a joke with innocent intent. Murs pointed out that it could be taken the wrong way by the recruit and could have a negative impact on him as a person. No rage, no accusations or racism, just pointing out that it wasn't an inclusive joke.
Question is, why do you and others have so much rage for a person who does that? Why get defensive? Wouldn't it be better to say "I hadn't thought of it that way, sorry, didn't mean it like that."?
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No rage, no accusations or racism, just pointing out that it wasn't an inclusive joke.
Question is, why do you and others have so much rage for a person who does that? Why get defensive? Wouldn't it be better to say "I hadn't thought of it that way, sorry, didn't mean it like that."?
It wasn't an "inclusive joke"? What, pray tell, is that? Comedy 101: every joke has a punch line and every punch line makes fun of someone. When it's your turn to be the butt of a joke (and everybody gets a turn) asking for a dispensation because of your race, religion, gender or political persuasion is ridiculous (see Jihadists vs Charlie Hebdot).
I'm anti redskin because a) it's a defined racial slur and b) it's not a joke. But coming down on people for a joke that lampoons an individual or group is silly - that's what jokes are supposed to do. They can be offensive, sure, but on the offense-o-meter Willie's barely registered. Sadly it also barely registered on the humor-o-meter.
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http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/article/108825/bartow-not-planning-on-having-fields
O'Field attended East Tennessee State as a freshman, but was not a member of the team and was in the hopes of qualifying before enrolling at Midland this fall.
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It wasn't an "inclusive joke"? What, pray tell, is that? Comedy 101: every joke has a punch line and every punch line makes fun of someone. When it's your turn to be the butt of a joke (and everybody gets a turn) asking for a dispensation because of your race, religion, gender or political persuasion is ridiculous (see Jihadists vs Charlie Hebdot).
I'm anti redskin because a) it's a defined racial slur and b) it's not a joke. But coming down on people for a joke that lampoons an individual or group is silly - that's what jokes are supposed to do. They can be offensive, sure, but on the offense-o-meter Willie's barely registered. Sadly it also barely registered on the humor-o-meter.
Did I ever say I was against the joke? All I'm against is Murs getting lampooned for pointing out that the joke could be considered offensive. Why is someone being offended such an offensive thing to you?
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It wasn't an "inclusive joke"? What, pray tell, is that? Comedy 101: every joke has a punch line and every punch line makes fun of someone. When it's your turn to be the butt of a joke (and everybody gets a turn) asking for a dispensation because of your race, religion, gender or political persuasion is ridiculous (see Jihadists vs Charlie Hebdot).
I'm anti redskin because a) it's a defined racial slur and b) it's not a joke. But coming down on people for a joke that lampoons an individual or group is silly - that's what jokes are supposed to do. They can be offensive, sure, but on the offense-o-meter Willie's barely registered. Sadly it also barely registered on the humor-o-meter.
What is really funny here is that when I was having fun with the name, I did not even realize the guy was black. It was simply an Irish name, and hence bringing out McGuire and Maurice bringing out "French Pastry". And even funnier are the people who get their noses out of joint trying to provide others with their idea of sensitivity training and US Cultural History. As Rodney King said, "Why can't we all just get along?" Sorry for offending anybody?
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It wasn't an "inclusive joke"? What, pray tell, is that? Comedy 101: every joke has a punch line and every punch line makes fun of someone. When it's your turn to be the butt of a joke (and everybody gets a turn) asking for a dispensation because of your race, religion, gender or political persuasion is ridiculous (see Jihadists vs Charlie Hebdot).
I'm anti redskin because a) it's a defined racial slur and b) it's not a joke. But coming down on people for a joke that lampoons an individual or group is silly - that's what jokes are supposed to do. They can be offensive, sure, but on the offense-o-meter Willie's barely registered. Sadly it also barely registered on the humor-o-meter.
TAMU Eagle is correct that I never said the joke was racist, I didn't. What I tried to convey was that it was extremely insensitive. Lampooning an individual or or group because their names reflect an ancestry that is contrary to their skin color is incredibly insensitive particularly when that individual and that group were forced to adopt those names by necessity when their actual ancestral names were taken from their ancestors under the worst possible conditions. I'm disappointed that many here find it is so difficult to put themselves in the place of anyone who is in that situation.
I'm in complete agreement with you on the Jihadists vs Charlie Hebdot, but the humor was demonstrably different. It wasn't parody. It was mean humor because it ridiculed a large group of people due to a tragedy in their past that was not of their own making. If the situation was of their own making, you'd have a legitimate subject for parody.
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What is really funny here is that when I was having fun with the name, I did not even realize the guy was black. It was simply an Irish name, and hence bringing out McGuire and Maurice bringing out "French Pastry". And even funnier are the people who get their noses out of joint trying to provide others with their idea of sensitivity training and US Cultural History. As Rodney King said, "Why can't we all just get along?" Sorry for offending anybody?
You really should read a thread's initial post, like the one in this thread in which you made your joke in the third post. That post contained the following picture.
(http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46255.0;attach=5475;image)
I guess you must have gotten the name from the thread title.
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this is all too PC for me. lighten up We take things too seriously.
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Brad Winton @JucoRecruiting 55 minutes ago
Marquette is the latest school to get involved with Maurice O'Field (6'5/2015) from Midland College: http://www.jucorecruiting.com/maurice-ofield-midland-college-basketball# …
Offers from Maryland,Arizona St,VA Tech & LA Tech
Interest from Marquette,Baylor,Gonzaga
He just said marquette was one of four teams recruiting him the hardest.
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My dream is Nic Moore, if he ends up available as a senior transfer. He could be a rare All American transfer candidate. Him, Outlaw, and a sniper like Ricky Council would really help us turn things around quick.
My dream would to do most of this and have Diamond Stone get religion and come to Marquette.
LOL
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein · 11 hours ago
Not sure there's a PG less appreciated nationally than SMU's Nic Moore. Completely carved up Tulsa Saturday night. 23 and 7 dimes. 7-12 FGs.
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein · 11 hours ago
Not sure there's a PG less appreciated nationally than SMU's Nic Moore. Completely carved up Tulsa Saturday night. 23 and 7 dimes. 7-12 FGs.
A number of programs want Nic Moore right now.
As for O'Field, if he's from Midland then there is nothing not to like. ;)
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A number of programs want Nic Moore right now.
As for O'Field, if he's from Midland then there is nothing not to like. ;)
Has Nic Moore said he wants to transfer at the end of the season?
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Has Nic Moore said he wants to transfer at the end of the season?
There are rumblings....
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Has Nic Moore said he wants to transfer at the end of the season?
With SMU possibly facing probation, their entire team may be considering transferring. Anyone adding Moore is basically adding a one-year All-American level PG. While it's no given, his name will be in the rumor mill.
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He just said marquette was one of four teams recruiting him the hardest.
Well, that frames it rather nicely. Once again, the moomoo has spoken!
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With SMU possibly facing probation, their entire team may be considering transferring. Anyone adding Moore is basically adding a one-year All-American level PG. While it's no given, his name will be in the rumor mill.
Brew--is there any new info on SMU's probation? I heard about this awhile back, but haven't heard of anything recently.
Do you think that this is something that will happen with any certainty or is it just a possibility?
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Even if they go on probation, what makes you think Nic Moore will come to MU? Sounds like a real long reach, but a good one if it could happen. Make them a really good team next year.
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With SMU possibly facing probation, their entire team may be considering transferring. Anyone adding Moore is basically adding a one-year All-American level PG. While it's no given, his name will be in the rumor mill.
If the guy is all American level, Calcheatucky will be lurking. Many of their players are one and two year rentals.
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FWIW, Moore is from Warsaw, IN where the Plumlees originated from, so there is a small possible connection between Wojo and him already. Sultan, any idea?
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FWIW, Moore is from Warsaw, IN where the Plumlees originated from, so there is a small possible connection between Wojo and him already. Sultan, any idea?
#donedeal
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Brew--is there any new info on SMU's probation? I heard about this awhile back, but haven't heard of anything recently.
Do you think that this is something that will happen with any certainty or is it just a possibility?
For me, Nic Moore is total pipe dream. No idea if he will leave SMU, if he does no idea if he'll try to play collegiate or pro ball, and no idea of there'd be interest on either side. No reason to think this is possible other than a blind dreamer's hopes.
Even if they go on probation, what makes you think Nic Moore will come to MU? Sounds like a real long reach, but a good one if it could happen. Make them a really good team next year.
No idea if he would be, but he is a Midwestern native and could see minutes with a team that has some real talent at 2-5. Of course, I'm sure there are 50 other coaches that would try a similar pitch. He would be in high demand.
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OK, maybe a pipe dream on this Moore kid, he is still playing for SMU and he is not from Wisconsin, etc. and many other variables.
Then there is Carter from another thread, both PGs.
My question to those in Chicago area, what ever happened to Marcus Lovett? I saw a clip of him and he looks awesome as a PG. The Rivals page does not have him interested in MU, but I recall other threads about him. Any insights, not speculation on Lovett?
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With SMU possibly facing probation, their entire team may be considering transferring. Anyone adding Moore is basically adding a one-year All-American level PG. While it's no given, his name will be in the rumor mill.
Heck with SMU's players....
How many UNC or Syracuse players can we grab when they inevitably get probation?
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Heck with SMU's players....
How many UNC or Syracuse players can we grab when they inevitably get probation?
Tokoto IS coming back!!!!!!!!!!
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Tokoto IS coming back!!!!!!!!!!
To the Bucks!
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Tokoto hasn't done much.
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OK, maybe a pipe dream on this Moore kid, he is still playing for SMU and he is not from Wisconsin, etc. and many other variables.
Then there is Carter from another thread, both PGs.
My question to those in Chicago area, what ever happened to Marcus Lovett? I saw a clip of him and he looks awesome as a PG. The Rivals page does not have him interested in MU, but I recall other threads about him. Any insights, not speculation on Lovett?
There was an article back in September that had an interview with LoVett where he said Marquette was on the top of his list, along with two other schools. Haven't heard heads or tails of him since. Seems like there was some cooling on both sides
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Tokoto hasn't done much.
If Tokoto can be the second top minutes guy for the 12th best team in the country...imagine what he could be on our squad
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There was an article back in September that had an interview with LoVett where he said Marquette was on the top of his list, along with two other schools. Haven't heard heads or tails of him since. Seems like there was some cooling on both sides
When wasting time on twitter last night I saw @prepbullseye (Roy Schmidt out of Chicago) tweet that Marcus is a heavy St. John's lean. Apparently Roy had a conversation with his dad recently and his dad hinted that St. John's is the clear cut favorite.
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When wasting time on twitter last night I saw @prepbullseye (Roy Schmidt out of Chicago) tweet that Marcus is a heavy St. John's lean. Apparently Roy had a conversation with his dad recently and his dad hinted that St. John's is the clear cut favorite.
He was almost certainly headed to Kansas or Illinois in the fall. Then it looks as though Kansas pulled the offer and Illinois doesn't seem interested any longer.
I wonder what's going on here.
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He was almost certainly headed to Kansas or Illinois in the fall. Then it looks as though Kansas pulled the offer and Illinois doesn't seem interested any longer.
I wonder what's going on here.
The dad was quoted as saying "It's St John's and no one else." That sure makes it sound like everyone else backed off. And considering Lavin seems to be a talent over team guy, that makes sense.
I don't know enough about the LoVett family to say one way or the other, but it does look like a lot of smart staffs aren't pursuing this kid.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-notebook-obekpas-status-questionable-for-depaul-marcus-lovetts-father-likes-st-johns/
Looks like St Johns.
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Brad Winton @JucoRecruiting 21m21 minutes ago
Marquette was in last night to watch Maurice O'Field (6'5/G/2015) from Midland College: http://www.jucorecruiting.com/maurice-ofield-midland-college-basketball#
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Why do I get the feeling that Wojo is frantically playing catch up? He thought he had his class and was set. And now he is learning one of Buzz's lessons....... never stop recruiting. From the outside, it appears that he DID stop and lost all of his recruiting momentum. Dawson/Burton/NN later, he is suddenly short on bodies for next year and is casting around. It suddenly feels like Buzz all over again, when we would hear every day about somebody else that Buzz had offered.
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Why do I get the feeling that Wojo is frantically playing catch up? He thought he had his class and was set. And now he is learning one of Buzz's lessons....... never stop recruiting. From the outside, it appears that he DID stop and lost all of his recruiting momentum. Dawson/Burton/NN later, he is suddenly short on bodies for next year and is casting around. It suddenly feels like Buzz all over again, when we would hear every day about somebody else that Buzz had offered.
The Noskowiak situation came out of nowhere. Burton and Dawson were Buzz's guys. If and when this stuff happens with Wojo's recruits, I'll have some concern. Roster instability is one of the few aspects of high major basketball that a Duke assistant doesn't get a strong background in.
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The Noskowiak situation came out of nowhere.
Seriously? I've been concerned about that whole situation for months.
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I understand that NN came out of the blue and that Dawson/Burton were Buzz guys. From the cheap seats, it appears that he didn't allow for the possibility of roster upheaval. And, IMO, that is a rookie mistake. He didn't have a plan for roster upheaval. It wasn't part of his experience at Duke.
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Why do I get the feeling that Wojo is frantically playing catch up? He thought he had his class and was set. And now he is learning one of Buzz's lessons....... never stop recruiting. From the outside, it appears that he DID stop and lost all of his recruiting momentum. Dawson/Burton/NN later, he is suddenly short on bodies for next year and is casting around. It suddenly feels like Buzz all over again, when we would hear every day about somebody else that Buzz had offered.
I get the same feeling. Hopefully Wojo can regain his momentum. I don't know how good Carter, O'Field, Amin, etc., are but the team needs help next year. If Henry is the real deal I would hate to waste it.
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Why do I get the feeling that Wojo is frantically playing catch up? He thought he had his class and was set. And now he is learning one of Buzz's lessons....... never stop recruiting. From the outside, it appears that he DID stop and lost all of his recruiting momentum. Dawson/Burton/NN later, he is suddenly short on bodies for next year and is casting around. It suddenly feels like Buzz all over again, when we would hear every day about somebody else that Buzz had offered.
Because he is. That's why the cavalier attitude of "Next man up," and "Wojo will find guys that fit his style/prototype, and buy into Wojo's Way," is a very dangerous line of thinking. This is also partially why I felt he was playing Russian Roulette with JJJ - considering having lost Dawson and Burton, and then with the Nick N situation being dicey at best - it was very conceivable we'd have 4 open scholarships, and if JJJ were to leave - that's 5.
Recruiting to Marquette ain't easy, and though Wojo struck some early gold with Henry, and solid appearing prospects in Heldt and Cheatham - he now has to recruit with his first year coaching record on display. Furthermore has to recruit having lost two of his guys that originally stayed with him - Dawson and Burton.
Competition is fierce for these remaining top prospects. I'll feel MUCH better if Wojo can reel in a guy like Carter who other high majors are hot for. Anim? Well, he'll fill a spot on the bench next year, yet University of Minnesota, right in his backyard isn't recruiting him.
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I understand that NN came out of the blue and that Dawson/Burton were Buzz guys. From the cheap seats, it appears that he didn't allow for the possibility of roster upheaval. And, IMO, that is a rookie mistake. He didn't have a plan for roster upheaval. It wasn't part of his experience at Duke.
You are right about that. Roster upheaval at Duke is pretty much never a factor there, because transfers are almost non-existent, and they have plenty of quality to backfill if somebody does rarely leave. And Duke probably had two or three JUCO's in K's 30 years there. (If even that many).
But hey, Are we not now the Duke of the Midwest, and the BEast?
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I understand that NN came out of the blue and that Dawson/Burton were Buzz guys. From the cheap seats, it appears that he didn't allow for the possibility of roster upheaval. And, IMO, that is a rookie mistake. He didn't have a plan for roster upheaval. It wasn't part of his experience at Duke.
A Marquette assistant watched Midland and Lee Colleges play on November 2nd and they've been monitoring Maurice O'Field and Tyrone Outlaw Jr. since, so this is hardly a reaction.
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I understand that NN came out of the blue and that Dawson/Burton were Buzz guys. From the cheap seats, it appears that he didn't allow for the possibility of roster upheaval. And, IMO, that is a rookie mistake. He didn't have a plan for roster upheaval. It wasn't part of his experience at Duke.
This might be true. I have no insight into what Wojo was doing/feeling. But we've been interested in O'Field for awhile and it's not the first time we've been mentioned with him. This is nothing new. Lots of high majors are on him.
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You are right about that. Roster upheaval at Duke is pretty much never a factor there, because transfers are almost non-existent, and they have plenty of quality to backfill if somebody does rarely leave. And Duke probably had two or three JUCO's in K's 30 years there. (If even that many).
But hey, Are we not now the Duke of the Midwest, and the BEast?
Actually, we're vying with Northwestern and Notre Dame for the "Duke of the Midwest" moniker. We are, though, definitely the Duke of the BEast.
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A Marquette assistant watched Midland and Lee Colleges play on November 2nd and they've been monitoring Maurice O'Field and Tyrone Outlaw Jr. since, so this is hardly a reaction.
That is good to know. Thank you.
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That is good to know. Thank you.
I know that many are clamoring for a PG as our most important need. I agree, but this kid is an absolute beast. Picture a nastier, tougher Jamil Wilson. We need a more athletic recruit like him, who consistently plays above the rim.
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Why do I get the feeling that Wojo is frantically playing catch up? He thought he had his class and was set. And now he is learning one of Buzz's lessons....... never stop recruiting. From the outside, it appears that he DID stop and lost all of his recruiting momentum. Dawson/Burton/NN later, he is suddenly short on bodies for next year and is casting around. It suddenly feels like Buzz all over again, when we would hear every day about somebody else that Buzz had offered.
I see it the same way. At a minimum he needs to land two players that can meaningfully contribute next year. I think it somewhat important that Anim not get out of town tomorrow without a signature.
And while I'm a Wojo fan, let me add that expectations next year will be higher as they should be. No one can legitimately fault him very much for this year (with the possible exception of the Burton situation). Next year he'll need to put a fully respectable team on the floor. I'm not suggesting that failing to make the NCAA will be fatal. But a 7-11 BEast record and no NIT would put him on the hot seat for 16-17 in my mind.
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I know that many are clamoring for a PG as our most important need. I agree, but this kid is an absolute beast. Picture a nastier, tougher Jamil Wilson. We need a more athletic recruit like him, who consistently plays above the rim.
I think wojo knows what he needs, but I believe he will try and keep a few scholarships open for the annual 500 players who will transfer in spring
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Because he is. That's why the cavalier attitude of "Next man up," and "Wojo will find guys that fit his style/prototype, and buy into Wojo's Way," is a very dangerous line of thinking. This is also partially why I felt he was playing Russian Roulette with JJJ - considering having lost Dawson and Burton, and then with the Nick N situation being dicey at best - it was very conceivable we'd have 4 open scholarships, and if JJJ were to leave - that's 5.
Recruiting to Marquette ain't easy, and though Wojo struck some early gold with Henry, and solid appearing prospects in Heldt and Cheatham - he now has to recruit with his first year coaching record on display. Furthermore has to recruit having lost two of his guys that originally stayed with him - Dawson and Burton.
Competition is fierce for these remaining top prospects. I'll feel MUCH better if Wojo can reel in a guy like Carter who other high majors are hot for. Anim? Well, he'll fill a spot on the bench next year, yet University of Minnesota, right in his backyard isn't recruiting him.
Ya gotta have the stones to establish your program's identity. Can't let the tail wag the dog. Will reap the benefits down the road and be well worth peein' down our collective legs right now. W's and L's should take a backseat for future prosperity. Remember, past performance is not a guarantee of future earnin's. ai na?
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I see it the same way. At a minimum he needs to land two players that can meaningfully contribute next year. I think it somewhat important that Anim not get out of town tomorrow without a signature.
And while I'm a Wojo fan, let me add that expectations next year will be higher as they should be. No one can legitimately fault him very much for this year (with the possible exception of the Burton situation). Next year he'll need to put a fully respectable team on the floor. I'm not suggesting that failing to make the NCAA will be fatal. But a 7-11 BEast record and no NIT would put him on the hot seat for 16-17 in my mind.
Can somebody explain if this is kid is the sleeper of the year why Minny is not recruiting him? Are they already full of scholarships for next year? Always under why a kid is not recruited hard in there home town, obviously Bo knew the problems with Nick.
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I think wojo knows what he needs, but I believe he will try and keep a few scholarships open for the annual 500 players who will transfer in spring
I'd be more comfortable today if that number was 1.
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Ya gotta have the stones to establish your program's identity. Can't let the tail wag the dog. Will reap the benefits down the road and be well worth peein' down our collective legs right now. W's and L's should take a backseat for future prosperity. Remember, past performance is not a guarantee of future earnin's. ai na?
I don't have an issue with someone trying to establish their program's identity. I also don't think for a second Burton and Dawson were bad character kids, and not hard working - just a different personality type than Wojo.
Furthermore, every coach starts and begins his position speaking of establishing their culture and identity - it is coach speak - yet frequently it never takes shape, or as it does take shape - it backfires as players don't respond to the coach's coaching.
It is still too early to definitively conclude how things will go with Wojo, but, I'm far less optimistic than I was October 1st.
I have NO DOUBT Wojo puts on a great executive appearance and demeanor at the admin level. Hell, he looks like a CEO. Yet, my concern is basketball isn't the business world, and you need a coach with some charisma and street smarts to generally be successful. I just don't see that charisma in Wojo.
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Can somebody explain if this is kid is the sleeper of the year why Minny is not recruiting him? Are they already full of scholarships for next year? Always under why a kid is not recruited hard in there home town, obviously Bo knew the problems with Nick.
Why didn't Indiana recruit Dom James?
Why didn't Illinois recruit Jerel McNeal?
Why didn't any big school in Texas recruit Jimmy Butler?
Why the hell does it matter whether or not Minnesota is recruiting the kid? Maybe Little Ricky has a poor eye for talent. Maybe Amin doesn't fit the hole(s) he's trying to fill (i.e. he need a post player or a point guard).
This obsession with whether or not Minnesota is recruiting the kid is just plain weird. There's no reason to believe at this point that Wojo and his staff are incapable of identifying talented players.
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right, who knows why MN isn't after some of their own, Bo Ryan has out recruited MN of MN high school players many times
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I don't have an issue with someone trying to establish their program's identity. I also don't think for a second Burton and Dawson were bad character kids, and not hard working - just a different personality type than Wojo.
Furthermore, every coach starts and begins his position speaking of establishing their culture and identity - it is coach speak - yet frequently it never takes shape, or as it does take shape - it backfires as players don't respond to the coach's coaching.
It is still too early to definitively conclude how things will go with Wojo, but, I'm far less optimistic than I was October 1st.
I have NO DOUBT Wojo puts on a great executive appearance and demeanor at the admin level. Hell, he looks like a CEO. Yet, my concern is basketball isn't the business world, and you need a coach with some charisma and street smarts to generally be successful. I just don't see that charisma in Wojo.
I'll point to November's NLI date. But no doubt there's been growing pains since then and we're all unhappy where things stand right now.
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I see a hard working, tough as nails type of personality. Charisma, he is not Buzz or Al, but probably work his ass off to succeed. No different than the type of coaches we have had in the past. You take assistants and make them head coaches they will have the desire to succeed. Failure is not an option as they do have families and I am sure love the money they are getting to coach basketball. If you can not succeed at MU after Crean, Buzz and Kevin O'Neal have, you might be a failure. The amount of money MU throws around the basketball program, I can not see how you can fail. Look at Wojo's staff, love the ex players he has.
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Why didn't Indiana recruit Dom James?
Why didn't Illinois recruit Jerel McNeal?
Why didn't any big school in Texas recruit Jimmy Butler?
Why the hell does it matter whether or not Minnesota is recruiting the kid? Maybe Little Ricky has a poor eye for talent. Maybe Amin doesn't fit the hole(s) he's trying to fill (i.e. he need a post player or a point guard).
This obsession with whether or not Minnesota is recruiting the kid is just plain weird. There's no reason to believe at this point that Wojo and his staff are incapable of identifying talented players.
Don't forget DePaul took Imari Sawyer over Dwyane Wade. Wade badly wanted to be a Blue Demon. Oops. Even Crean had to settle for Wade after missing out on his top target Desmon Farmer.
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I also don't think for a second Burton and Dawson were bad character kids
Yet, my concern is basketball isn't the business world, and you need a coach with some charisma and street smarts to generally be successful. I just don't see that charisma in Wojo.
1) Nobody said that.
2) Not even sure what this means. The guy who led MU to its last Final Four has zero charisma.
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1) Nobody said that.
2) Not even sure what this means. The guy who led MU to its last Final Four has zero charisma.
1) I'm aware of that - wrote that in response to the notion that you can't have the tail wagging the dog, and the notion of establishing your culture. Burton and Dawson were hard working, high character kids - and Wojo's culture didn't connect/jive for them. So be it - just pointing that out.
2) Tom Crean at that stage had far more charisma than does Steve Wojo at present or ever will.
Honest question: Before Wojo was hired as our head coach - who EVER liked the guy as a player or as a Duke assistant??
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I just don't see that charisma in Wojo.
Coach K is literally Mr. Charisma.
And Nick Saban seems like a fun guy.
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Coach K is literally Mr. Charisma.
And Nick Saban seems like a fun guy.
Saban is a closer on the recruiting trail - guy seals deals with his charisma.
As for Coach K - can't argue that one - not a very charismatic guy.
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Saban is a closer on the recruiting trail - guy seals deals with his charisma.
As for Coach K - can't argue that one - not a very charismatic guy.
Saban closes on the recruiting trail because he has a proven record of 1) winning and 2) getting his players into the NFL (16 of his Bama players have been first-round picks). It has zero to do with charisma.
The guy has the personality of a rock. A very surly, Little Debbie-loving rock.
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Bobby Knight, Jim Boeheim, Thad Matta, John Wooden, Lute Olson.......yep...lots of charisma in those great coaches....
Anybody trying to evaluate Wojo at this juncture is just being silly......give him some time........
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Honest question: Before Wojo was hired as our head coach - who EVER liked the guy as a player or as a Duke assistant??
This is a good point, but I would honestly attribute it to (at least personally) to more of a dislike of Duke than anything. I just really didn't like anything Duke related.
But I really don't see the lack of charisma you are talking about here. I've seen Wojo quite animated several times on the sidelines including giving some ridiculously emphatic fist pumps after a great play. I was hoping there were some youtube videos I could find, but search ended up empty.
He's no Buzz walking it out on the sideline, but to say he isn't charismatic, especially from the floor-slapping guy he was, seems a bit of a stretch to me.
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Honest question: Before Wojo was hired as our head coach - who EVER liked the guy as a player or as a Duke assistant??
Jabari Parker
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I'd be more comfortable today if that number was 1.
I think it was 1. I think that was the plan. We had 1 open before Burton and Dawson transferred. I think Wojo knew Dawson was a possibility, that's why he was checking in on some jucos in November. Then Burton transferred. So Wojo looked at more jucos, Council, and Anim. Now Noskowiak is gone. So Wojo has to recruit more. I'm not sure what else Wojo could have done in the mean time. Very few recruits sign in December, January, and February.
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Ya gotta have the stones to establish your program's identity. Can't let the tail wag the dog. Will reap the benefits down the road and be well worth peein' down our collective legs right now. W's and L's should take a backseat for future prosperity. Remember, past performance is not a guarantee of future earnin's. ai na?
At least somebody here gets it.
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Why didn't Indiana recruit Dom James?
Why didn't Illinois recruit Jerel McNeal?
Why didn't any big school in Texas recruit Jimmy Butler?
Why the hell does it matter whether or not Minnesota is recruiting the kid? Maybe Little Ricky has a poor eye for talent. Maybe Amin doesn't fit the hole(s) he's trying to fill (i.e. he need a post player or a point guard).
This obsession with whether or not Minnesota is recruiting the kid is just plain weird. There's no reason to believe at this point that Wojo and his staff are incapable of identifying talented players.
Or Wisconsin. Or the blue bloods. Or whoever. Buncha chicken littles in here.
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2) Tom Crean at that stage had far more charisma than does Steve Wojo at present or ever will.
Honest question: Before Wojo was hired as our head coach - who EVER liked the guy as a player or as a Duke assistant??
Do you go with Wojo on recruiting trips? Have you even met him before? How the flying f*ck do you know how charismatic he is?
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Bobby Knight, Jim Boeheim, Thad Matta, John Wooden, Lute Olson.......yep...lots of charisma in those great coaches....
Anybody trying to evaluate Wojo at this juncture is just being silly......give him some time........
Good to see someone else gets it too.
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Do you go with Wojo on recruiting trips? Have you even met him before? How the flying f*ck do you know how charismatic he is?
I've seen him interviewed. Listened to his radio show. He's a square. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of successful squares in this world. Usually though in more scientific/empirical types of positions.
Coach K is a sqaure, and he's won more games than any other college basketball coach. It by no means excludes one from being successful in the coaching profession.
Yet I feel in college basketball you need a coach with some panache and charisma at a school like Marquette that has its share of recruiting challenges.
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Good to see someone else gets it too.
Wades - You are all bullish on Wojo. And you are a Crean hater - so - let's make a wager - $500.
I say Crean's first 5 years on the job are better than Wojo's - and Crean came into a much tougher situation at MU.
Care to put your money where your mouth is? Is 5 years enough time? Or do we need more for Wojo?
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Bobby Knight, Jim Boeheim, Thad Matta, John Wooden, Lute Olson.......yep...lots of charisma in those great coaches....
Anybody trying to evaluate Wojo at this juncture is just being silly......give him some time........
One is not like the other: Indiana, Syracuse, Ohio State, UCLA, Arizona, Marquette.
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This board is ridiculous. Somehow the fact that Deonte Burton's mom died and Noskowiak had some type of domestic situation blow up means that Wojo is not charismatic enough to bring in top recruits? That is just asinine.
We don't need to ramp up every rough patch to Hiroshima. Maybe give the coach who has already landed the highest rated Marquette recruit in 30 years a full off-season before you throw him under the bus.
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One is not like the other: Indiana, Syracuse, Ohio State, UCLA, Arizona, Marquette.
Cuse? Indiana?
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This board is ridiculous. Somehow the fact that Deonte Burton's mom died and Noskowiak had some type of domestic situation blow up means that Wojo is not charismatic enough to bring in top recruits? That is just asinine.
We don't need to ramp up every rough patch to Hiroshima. Maybe give the coach who has already landed the highest rated Marquette recruit in 30 years a full off-season before you throw him under the bus.
I personally don't put Nick leaving on Wojo. Burton? Absolutely. Deonte did NOT leave MU exclusively because of the passing of his Mom. The primary reason: He wasn't happy with his role...AT ALL.
We'll see how Wojo recruits now that he has a full year of coaching under his belt and a Win/Loss record to contend with. Hopefully he can still reel in Top 100 talent moving forward.
These 4 open scholarships are critical to the future of the program under Wojo.
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I personally don't put Nick leaving on Wojo. Burton? Absolutely. Deonte did NOT leave MU exclusively because of the passing of his Mom. The primary reason: He wasn't happy with his role...AT ALL.
We'll see how Wojo recruits now that he has a full year of coaching under his belt and a Win/Loss record to contend with. Hopefully he can still reel in Top 100 talent moving forward.
These 4 open scholarships are critical to the future of the program under Wojo.
I don't see how the fact that Burton was unhappy with his role leads to the conclusion that it is Wojo's fault he left. It isn't a coach's job to make sure everyone is happy.
Every scholarship is "critical" in a certain sense, but Marquette will be fine even if we have to bank a schollie or two.
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So, how about that Maurice O'Field?
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This board is ridiculous.
No, just a couple of people. And those that get sucked in to responding to the ever changing asinine narrative.
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What are th program's biggest recruiting obstacles? I honestly dont know which is why I am asking...
Conference affiliation is solid.
Facilities are in line with most top 25 programs.
Playing in an NBA arena isnt necessarily a bad thing (I dont support the claim that it's an advantage, though).
I dont think academics interfere with recruiting.
Good fanbase with above average attendance.
I'd imagine the Nike contract provides players with an adequate amount of shoes/gear that is in-line with other contracts.
The only thing that comes to mind is the fact that we dont have a top-tier national reputation. Maybe that is the end-all, be-all?
So what else?
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What are th program's biggest recruiting obstacles? I honestly dont know which is why I am asking...
Conference affiliation is solid.
Facilities are in line with most top 25 programs.
Playing in an NBA arena isnt necessarily a bad thing (I dont support the claim that it's an advantage, though).
I dont think academics interfere with recruiting.
Good fanbase with above average attendance.
I'd imagine the Nike contract provides players with an adequate amount of shoes/gear that is in-line with other contracts.
The only thing that comes to mind is the fact that we dont have a top-tier national reputation. Maybe that is the end-all, be-all?
So what else?
I think having NBA teams practice at the Al when they're in town to play the Bucks is a bigger deal than playing in the same building as the Bucks.
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No, just a couple of people. And those that get sucked in to responding to the ever changing asinine narrative.
I agree. I'll see what I can do to avoid gettin sucked into the ridiculous narrative approximately 10 avid posters have here.
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I was charismatic once. In the old days. And look how successful it all turned out for me.
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I've seen him interviewed. Listened to his radio show. He's a square. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of successful squares in this world. Usually though in more scientific/empirical types of positions.
Coach K is a sqaure, and he's won more games than any other college basketball coach. It by no means excludes one from being successful in the coaching profession.
Yet I feel in college basketball you need a coach with some panache and charisma at a school like Marquette that has its share of recruiting challenges.
The guy before Buzz was a square....he landed some good players. Hank Raymonds was a square. Tom Izzo is a square. Steve Alford. You are correct, many squares can do just fine. I just don't agree with your recruiting challenges comment about MU. We have the 2nd largest budget in DI, all of our games are on national television, wonderful practice facility, basketball only school, 90 miles from Chicago, play in a basketball centric conference. Yes, the weather isn't great, but plenty of other schools deal with this as well.
You seem to be making an argument for style over substance
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I personally don't put Nick leaving on Wojo. Burton? Absolutely. Deonte did NOT leave MU exclusively because of the passing of his Mom. The primary reason: He wasn't happy with his role...AT ALL.
We'll see how Wojo recruits now that he has a full year of coaching under his belt and a Win/Loss record to contend with. Hopefully he can still reel in Top 100 talent moving forward.
These 4 open scholarships are critical to the future of the program under Wojo.
Ners, I agree fully that Deonte was unhappy with his role. I also think he has tremendous talent and upside. IMO he simply seems to be uncoachable. Raw talent will not do it at this level. He needs to play as a team and play D. I hope he can learn that at another school but I do have my doubt's that the ego will allow it.
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I've seen him interviewed. Listened to his radio show. He's a square. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of successful squares in this world. Usually though in more scientific/empirical types of positions.
Coach K is a sqaure, and he's won more games than any other college basketball coach. It by no means excludes one from being successful in the coaching profession.
Yet I feel in college basketball you need a coach with some panache and charisma at a school like Marquette that has its share of recruiting challenges.
Some squares are as they appear - old school and genuine - Wooden, Coach K, even Knight. I think Wojo is like that and I have no problem with that. Other squares are just squirmy guys with little or no personality - Crean, Alford, Matta, etc. They do OK as long as they have something to give away, but if I'm going squirmy at all give me a personality like Al or Buzz over them.
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The guy before Buzz was a square....he landed some good players. Hank Raymonds was a square. Tom Izzo is a square. Steve Alford. You are correct, many squares can do just fine. I just don't agree with your recruiting challenges comment about MU. We have the 2nd largest budget in DI, all of our games are on national television, wonderful practice facility, basketball only school, 90 miles from Chicago, play in a basketball centric conference. Yes, the weather isn't great, but plenty of other schools deal with this as well.
You seem to be making an argument for style over substance
Style over substance. I think that's a pretty decent diagnosis.
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Some squares are as they appear - old school and genuine - Wooden, Coach K, even Knight. I think Wojo is like that and I have no problem with that. Other squares are just squirmy guys with little or no personality - Crean, Alford, Matta, etc. They do OK as long as they have something to give away, but if I'm going squirmy at all give me a personality like Al or Buzz over them.
Matta has only done "ok?" You would take buzz over matta? Wow.
And thank you for defining "squares" - "guys with little to no personality." Haha. That's some hard-hitting analysis.
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Some squares are as they appear - old school and genuine - Wooden, Coach K, even Knight. I think Wojo is like that and I have no problem with that. Other squares are just squirmy guys with little or no personality - Crean, Alford, Matta, etc. They do OK as long as they have something to give away, but if I'm going squirmy at all give me a personality like Al or Buzz over them.
Buzz over Matta?
Hmmm. Not so sure about that.
Heck, I don't think many outside of this place would take Buzz over Crean or Alford, but over Matta?
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Buzz over Matta?
Hmmm. Not so sure about that.
Heck, I don't think many outside of this place would take Buzz over Crean or Alford, but over Matta?
Shouldn't have included Matta. His record clearly surpasses Buzz's. I stand by my opinions of Crean and Alford.
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Style over substance. I think that's a pretty decent diagnosis.
It also appears to be his methodology for how many minutes he thinks players should be promised.
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Good thing Ners is not the AD. We would be going through new coaches every year if they don't give minutes to the players he think should play.
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So, how about that Maurice O'Field?
Who?
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I was charismatic once. In the old days. And look how successful it all turned out for me.
I'd rather talk softly and have a big stick, or somethin' like that, hey?
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One is not like the other: Indiana, Syracuse, Ohio State, UCLA, Arizona, Marquette.
Marquette is the only one who hasn't been on major NCAA basketball probation. The mods are hairy wet cats.
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Style over substance. I think that's a pretty decent diagnosis.
I like the substance that shows up in box scores - not the style points some seem to award for "knowing his role," and "playing within himself."
Hmm. Just who here is more about style than substance?
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Marquette is the only one who hasn't been on major NCAA basketball probation. The mods are hairy wet cats.
And Marquette is the only one that isn't a BCS school with a student body of 25,000+. And not sure why you are bent on my posts - I'm far from a Badger fan. And I find it odd you take issue with the Mods as you too been writing cryptic, yet critical assessments of our season and coach this year. I guess I'm just a lot more blunt and candid.
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And Marquette is the only one that isn't a BCS school with a student body of 25,000+. And not sure why you are bent on my posts - I'm far from a Badger fan. And I find it odd you take issue with the Mods as you too been writing cryptic, yet critical assessments of our season and coach this year. I guess I'm just a lot more blunt and candid.
Lol. The mods are having fun autocorrecting certain words. So I am having fun back with them. Type in "ai na" and you will have your answer. Be careful, maybe "Derrick Wilson" may one day become "John the Baptist".
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Lol. The mods are having fun autocorrecting certain words. So I am having fun back with them. Type in "ai na" and you will have your answer. Be careful, maybe "Derrick Wilson" may one day become "John the Baptist".
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EDIT: Lol, I love it
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And Marquette is the only one that isn't a BCS school with a student body of 25,000+.
I don't think Mu is the only one.
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I like the substance that shows up in box scores - not the style points some seem to award for "knowing his role," and "playing within himself."
Hmm. Just who here is more about style than substance?
"Knowing your role" and "playing within himself" are both substantive actions. Both have a firm basis in reality. Both have a meaningful existence. That's the definition of substantive. Thus, what you consider "style" is actually the very definition of "substance".
I realize you're deeply hurt that a guy you bought in to every word he spoke abandoned you in the middle of the night. I realize your lofty hope of a Final Four berth within Buzz' first five years never came to fruition. I realize your distaste for the current coach is born and bred solely out of your immature way of dealing with the fact that Buzz left Marquette. Even with those realizations, man do you annoy the crap out of people with your repetitively pointless drivel.
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"Knowing your role" and "playing within himself" are both substantive actions. Both have a firm basis in reality. Both have a meaningful existence. That's the definition of substantive. Thus, what you consider "style" is actually the very definition of "substance".
I realize you're deeply hurt that a guy you bought in to every word he spoke abandoned you in the middle of the night. I realize your lofty hope of a Final Four berth within Buzz' first five years never came to fruition. I realize your distaste for the current coach is born and bred solely out of your immature way of dealing with the fact that Buzz left Marquette. Even with those realizations, man do you annoy the crap out of people with your repetitively pointless accurate drivel.
Fixed it for you and the others here in denial of reality.
Also, when playing within oneself if a function of ultimately not being able to play and perform the vast majority of the requisite duties of the position - it really isn't substantive. What it is, is puff/spin, and an excuse for piss poor production. That said I'm sure you are a portrait of the guy who knows his role and works within himself to an amazing level of mediocrity.
And not sure where you have been the last year - but I bailed on Buzz last season by mid January. And my distaste for the current coach has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Buzz Williams leaving MU.
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Ners, you are missing your calling. There are so many other programs that could use your incredible knowledge and counsel. Seek one out and lead them to prosperity. I can't speak for the board, but we'll try to get by.
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Starting to like our chances here. Gonzaga is also in on him and probably the stiffest competition. O'Field went for 31 in front of Wojo the other night. Not a great three point shooter so we'll probably still need a guy that can hit from range even if we land O'Field.
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Starting to like our chances here. Gonzaga is also in on him and probably the stiffest competition. O'Field went for 31 in front of Wojo the other night. Not a great three point shooter so we'll probably still need a guy that can hit from range even if we land O'Field.
I like it. Any rumblings specifically point you that way?
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I like it. Any rumblings specifically point you that way?
Sounds like Maryland is looking elsewhere, which was the school that seemed the biggest competition. O'Field said recently he is considering visiting Marquette, Gonzaga, Buffalo (Bobby Hurley), and Louisiana Tech. Wojo watching him indicates he's a priority, haven't heard of many other JUCO kids he visited himself.
One thing I really like is his 3 years of eligibility. In addition, he sat out last year at ETSU, so he doesn't have a transfer year to burn. Seems like he'll actually attend the school he chooses at this point. Staff needs to make sure his academics are in order, though he has said he's worked hard to get academically eligible and it's easier to get a third year sophomore on track to graduate than a third year junior.
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Sounds like Maryland is looking elsewhere, which was the school that seemed the biggest competition. O'Field said recently he is considering visiting Marquette, Gonzaga, Buffalo (Bobby Hurley), and Louisiana Tech. Wojo watching him indicates he's a priority, haven't heard of many other JUCO kids he visited himself.
One thing I really like is his 3 years of eligibility. In addition, he sat out last year at ETSU, so he doesn't have a transfer year to burn. Seems like he'll actually attend the school he chooses at this point. Staff needs to make sure his academics are in order, though he has said he's worked hard to get academically eligible and it's easier to get a third year sophomore on track to graduate than a third year junior.
3 years of eligibility would put him in Sandy's class. Would be good to help provide some balance.
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I like the idea of O'Field and Anim, but Wojo needs a couple 3-point threats if he's going to run anything close to the offense he favors.
Duke beat UNC in that great game last night not because of Okafor but because the Dookies had a huge advantage over UNC from 3-point land.
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I like the idea of O'Field and Anim, but Wojo needs a couple 3-point threats if he's going to run anything close to the offense he favors.
Duke beat UNC in that great game last night not because of Okafor but because the Dookies had a huge advantage over UNC from 3-point land.
Do Henry Ellenson and Haanif Cheatham qualify as 3 point threats?
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Do Henry Ellenson and Haanif Cheatham qualify as 3 point threats?
from what I've heard and read cheathem yes
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I like the idea of O'Field and Anim, but Wojo needs a couple 3-point threats if he's going to run anything close to the offense he favors.
Duke beat UNC in that great game last night not because of Okafor but because the Dookies had a huge advantage over UNC from 3-point land.
Jucorecruiting headline with picture of Wojo.
"JUCO Insider: Marquette involved with a handful of the top 2015 JUCO prospects. Turning up the heat on top JC guards"
I don't have access to the article.
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O'Field is a little bulky, and as I have said, we need a little more size and toughness across the board.
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I don't have an issue with someone trying to establish their program's identity. I also don't think for a second Burton and Dawson were bad character kids, and not hard working - just a different personality type than Wojo.
Furthermore, every coach starts and begins his position speaking of establishing their culture and identity - it is coach speak - yet frequently it never takes shape, or as it does take shape - it backfires as players don't respond to the coach's coaching.
It is still too early to definitively conclude how things will go with Wojo, but, I'm far less optimistic than I was October 1st.
I have NO DOUBT Wojo puts on a great executive appearance and demeanor at the admin level. Hell, he looks like a CEO. Yet, my concern is basketball isn't the business world, and you need a coach with some charisma and street smarts to generally be successful. I just don't see that charisma in Wojo.
As you point ou, Wojo now has to recruit based on his performance and new reputation. I think it will be far more difficult given his array of rookie mistakes.
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O'Field is a little bulky, and as I have said, we need a little more size and toughness across the board.
I cringed when I read that he's a great athlete but needs to develop his jump shot. Haven't we seen this movie before?
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I cringed when I read that he's a great athlete but needs to develop his jump shot. Haven't we seen this movie before?
D Wade?
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If he's DWade-like sign him up Wojo!
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As you point ou, Wojo now has to recruit based on his performance and new reputation. I think it will be far more difficult given his array of rookie mistakes.
I think we are doomed. Doomed, I say.
If you and Ners say it, it must be so!
I am officially ending my Marquette fandom to start rooting for the Banana Slugs of UC-Santa Cruz. I mean, why stick with the worst coach in college basketball and his team of misfits?
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If it makes you feel better, TW isn't really a fan of Marquette basketball. He is a guy with an agenda. One that Ners has fallen for hook, line and sinker.
That is why neither is terribly reputable at this point and rightfully should be ignored.
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I was actually starting to think they were the same guy.
I also saw somewhere that the top rated recruits are now ranking the absence of rookie coaching mistakes as one of the top 3 reasons to chose a program. It ranked behind "NBA connections" but ahead of "immediate playing time".
;D
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I like that O'Field has 3 yrs of eligibility. Help balance the classes. O'Field and Anim would gives us plenty of wings with Cohen, JJJ, Cheatham, Wally and even Duane in the mix. Still gotta add at least one more PG, if not two.
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Seriously? I've been concerned about that whole situation for months.
Okay, the NN situation came out of nowhere months ago. I'm assuming that you weren't concerned about this back when Wojo recruited him.
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If it makes you feel better, TW isn't really a fan of Marquette basketball. He is a guy with an agenda. One that Ners has fallen for hook, line and sinker.
That is why neither is terribly reputable at this point and rightfully should be ignored banned.
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Okay, the NN situation came out of nowhere months ago. I'm assuming that you weren't concerned about this back when Wojo recruited him.
Correct
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As you point ou, Wojo now has to recruit based on his performance and new reputation. I think it will be far more difficult given his array of rookie mistakes.
Tex West, given your keen insight into the sport of basketball, could you be so kind as to help enlighten those of us who are casual fans as to, "his array of rookie mistakes"? Thank you.
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I like that O'Field has 3 yrs of eligibility. Help balance the classes. O'Field and Anim would gives us plenty of wings with Cohen, JJJ, Cheatham, Wally and even Duane in the mix. Still gotta add at least one more PG, if not two.
If we had all those guys, that is too many wings, leading to discontent with playing time. 80 minutes between 7guys is not enough PT for several and is over recruiting IMO.
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If we had all those guys, that is too many wings, leading to discontent with playing time. 80 minutes between 7guys is not enough PT for several and is over recruiting IMO.
Are you ever happy with anything? Or is being hyper-critical of everything just your nature?
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He is not a stud point guard. TRACI CARTER
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He is not a stud point guard. TRACI CARTER
No reason we can't add both.
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If we had all those guys, that is too many wings, leading to discontent with playing time. 80 minutes between 7guys is not enough PT for several and is over recruiting IMO.
Wally can play some 4 in a small lineup; Duane and Haanif can both help at PG. Maybe Wally never gets off the bench. Got to add bodies and let the cream rise to the top. Maybe Anim doesn't play much as a frosh but starts by his junior year. Maybe he's another Jerel McNeal and starts for 4 years. Maybe Cohen or JJJ get hurt. Maybe one of them develops and beats out O'Field or maybe O'Field starts right away. Maybe somebody transfers. Maybe we only land one of Anim or O'Field. Who knows. Got 13 schollies, keep adding good players, it will work itself out.
Traci Carter would be a great PG to add. A grad transfer PG with Carter off the bench would be my wish. Then Carter starts soph year unless Duane or Haanif beat himout or Wojo adds a stud PG in 2016. If we miss out on guys watch the transfer market. Is it wrong to dream of Riley LaChance transferring from Vanderbilt?
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Wally can play some 4 in a small lineup; Duane and Haanif can both help at PG. Maybe Wally never gets off the bench. Got to add bodies and let the cream rise to the top. Maybe Anim doesn't play much as a frosh but starts by his junior year. Maybe he's another Jerel McNeal and starts for 4 years. Maybe Cohen or JJJ get hurt. Maybe one of them develops and beats out O'Field or maybe O'Field starts right away. Maybe somebody transfers. Maybe we only land one of Anim or O'Field. Who knows. Got 13 schollies, keep adding good players, it will work itself out.
I agree with all of this. You recruit good players and good athletes who can handle the academics. The rest will sort itself out. Yeah, you need a few guys with height, which we have coming in, and you'd like to bring in a PG every year. And I do wish we'd add one or two guys who can flat-out shoot.
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He is not a stud point guard. TRACI CARTER
Earl's randomness might be one of my favorite Scoop memes.
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Since you often reference sixties music, I assume that you were around for the TV miniseries, Roots, in the late 70's. One of the points made over the course of several nights was that a side effect of living on a continent that your ancestors were brought to in shackles after being kidnapped so that they could serve as slave labor was the loss of your ancestral family name. When it was a crime for your ancestors to learn to read or write, much of your family history gets lost. Many times you discover that your family name is the name of the plantation owners who enslaved your ancestors.
Under these circumstances, having someone joke about your family name's origin being Northern European rather than African might be construed as them rubbing salt very deeply into an open wound.
I hope that I'm not upsetting you here by being too politically correct...
You're kidding, right? Making McGuire references about a kid's name is racist? Really?
I understand issues with REAL racism, but this?
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Wally can play some 4 in a small lineup; Duane and Haanif can both help at PG. Maybe Wally never gets off the bench. Got to add bodies and let the cream rise to the top. Maybe Anim doesn't play much as a frosh but starts by his junior year. Maybe he's another Jerel McNeal and starts for 4 years. Maybe Cohen or JJJ get hurt. Maybe one of them develops and beats out O'Field or maybe O'Field starts right away. Maybe somebody transfers. Maybe we only land one of Anim or O'Field. Who knows. Got 13 schollies, keep adding good players, it will work itself out.
Traci Carter would be a great PG to add. A grad transfer PG with Carter off the bench would be my wish. Then Carter starts soph year unless Duane or Haanif beat himout or Wojo adds a stud PG in 2016. If we miss out on guys watch the transfer market. Is it wrong to dream of Riley LaChance transferring from Vanderbilt?
Yes.
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Are you ever happy with anything? Or is being hyper-critical of everything just your nature?
Man you must have a complex. How is that being hyper-critical? Only in your world? Having 7 wings does not make sense, IMO. Are you ever happy just accepting a simple statement, or are you hyper critical?
Oh wait, I get it, you are my post stalker, lurking to jump at each chance.
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Man you must have a complex. How is that being hyper-critical? Only in your world? Having 7 wings does not make sense, IMO. Are you ever happy just accepting a simple statement, or are you hyper critical?
Oh wait, I get it, you are my post stalker, lurking to jump at each chance.
Okay...then what would you do with the scholarships? Having 7 wings would leave you with 6 open scholarships. In a perfectly balanced world, that's 3 point guards and 3 centers. Personally, I think that would actually be perfect balance. I understand that we likely won't end up with 3 PGs and 3 Cs, but I also don't think it will be as simple as plugging 7 guys into 60 minutes. The reality is of those 7, the top 4-5 will get significant minutes come conference time. Every program with all scholarships filled has 3-4 guys at the end of the bench who don't play much. Some of those guys will be wings.
Do the math, get to 13, and tell me how Wojo should better deploy his scholarships.
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Man you must have a complex. How is that being hyper-critical? Only in your world? Having 7 wings does not make sense, IMO. Are you ever happy just accepting a simple statement, or are you hyper critical?
Oh wait, I get it, you are my post stalker, lurking to jump at each chance.
Because it is false. We don't have "too many wings."
In basketball these days four of those players can be on the floor at any given time. (If you believe that Duane is going to AT LEAST get spot time at point.) Furthermore, we aren't going to be running 13 player rotations. More than one player isn't going to be playing in certain games.
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Agree with Willie, too many wings can lead to discontented players. Would like to see balance with bigs, shooters ,point guards and wings.
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Agree with Willie, too many wings can lead to discontented players. Would like to see balance with bigs, shooters ,point guards and wings.
Personally, I'm getting a little tired of the over-sensitivity in regards to hurting players feelings or them becoming discontent. Get the best players you can and if guys lose playing time they can either improve or leave.
Agree completely on ideally having a balanced roster but I'd rather bring in more talent than a less talented player who might be a better positional fit.
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Agree with Willie, too many wings can lead to discontented players. Would like to see balance with bigs, shooters ,point guards and wings.
First, shooters are wings. Next year most likely Cohen, Jajuan, Cheatham, and Wally will be competing for similar minutes (among others).
Second, I pose the same question to you I do to willie. How would you balance the scholarships? 7 wings, 3 point guards, 3 centers seems like a pretty good mix to me. That would mean adding 2 PGs and 1 C with our remaining 4 scholarships. Would you rather 4 PGs, 4 Cs, and 5 wings? Then you have 4 guys competing for 40 mpg at PG, 4 guys competing for 40 mpg at C, and 5 guys competing for 120 minutes at the wing positions.
What is the best balance of scholarships?
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First, shooters are wings. Next year most likely Cohen, Jajuan, Cheatham, and Wally will be competing for similar minutes (among others).
Second, I pose the same question to you I do to willie. How would you balance the scholarships? 7 wings, 3 point guards, 3 centers seems like a pretty good mix to me. That would mean adding 2 PGs and 1 C with our remaining 4 scholarships. Would you rather 4 PGs, 4 Cs, and 5 wings? Then you have 4 guys competing for 40 mpg at PG, 4 guys competing for 40 mpg at C, and 5 guys competing for 120 minutes at the wing positions.
What is the best balance of scholarships?
So this question wasn't posed to me but I personally would love a roster like the one below, although it is probably a pipe dream and is getting too detailed. This is also with the thought that you are obviously not going to have a 13 man rotation.
2 pure PGs
2 combo guards (more of a 2 but can play the 1 effectively if necessary)
3 wings (can play the 2 or the 3)
2 bigger wings (can play the 3 or the 4)
2 PFs (preferably one is a stretch 4 and could play the 5 in a smaller lineup and preferably at least one is great rebounder)
2 centers
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I view wings as being 6'4 to 6'6 guys that play the 2/3 .......JJ. Is a wing but you wouldn't want him to have to guard 4s......ditto for Sandy and Cheatham.
2 centers
1 4/5
3 3/4
3 2/3
2 1/2
2 pgs
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Personally, I'm getting a little tired of the over-sensitivity in regards to hurting players feelings or them becoming discontent. Get the best players you can and if guys lose playing time they can either improve or leave.
Agree completely on ideally having a balanced roster but I'd rather bring in more talent than a less talented player who might be a better positional fit.
Somebody gets it. If your feelings are too hurt to get mad, get in the gym, and get better rather than take your ball and go home, we're better off without you in the long run anyway.
Get tough Warriors.
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2 pure PGs
2 combo guards (more of a 2 but can play the 1 effectively if necessary)
3 wings (can play the 2 or the 3)
2 bigger wings (can play the 3 or the 4)
2 PFs (preferably one is a stretch 4 and could play the 5 in a smaller lineup and preferably at least one is great rebounder)
2 centers
This looks like a good, more specific template. Looking at next year, we have 9 scholarships filled...
2 pure PGs: NONE
2 Combo Guards: Duane Wilson & Haanif Cheatham
3 Wings: Jajuan Johnson, Sandy Cohen
2 Bigger Wings: Henry Ellenson, Wally Ellenson
2 PFs: Steve Taylor
2 Centers: Luke Fischer, Matt Heldt
So with 9/13 scholarships filled, we could use 2 true PGs, 1 wing, and 1 PF. Based on our interest, it seems like maybe O'Field would be a combo guard or wing and Anim definitely a wing. Still need a couple point guards (Carter & Miller, maybe?) and a PF (rather than O'Field/Anim?) to get full balance, but I'd say that a roster that was 1-2 players off ideal is still pretty darn good.
2 centers
1 4/5
3 3/4
3 2/3
2 1/2
2 pgs
Applying your template:
2 centers: Fischer & Heldt
1 4/5: Steve?
3 3/4: Wally & Henry
3 2/3: Sandy, Jajuan
2 1/2: Duane, Cheatham
2 PGs: NONE
Based on that template, Anim would fill the 2/3 and maybe O'Field could fill the 3/4? He can at least get rebounds, though seems like more of a slasher to me. Still need 2 true PGs, but again, pretty close to balanced I'd say.
The roster clearly isn't finished with 4 scholarships in play, but I think this is a pretty darn balanced roster, and would say both of your templates look both solid as well as what the staff is basically working toward.
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Because it is false. We don't have "too many wings."
In basketball these days four of those players can be on the floor at any given time. (If you believe that Duane is going to AT LEAST get spot time at point.) Furthermore, we aren't going to be running 13 player rotations. More than one player isn't going to be playing in certain games.
Of course, Sultan, the old El Buzzster philosophy of switchables. Of course you would sniff around that all day long. All things Buzz all the time. The number of "experts" we have never ceases to amaze me. But I do respect your opinion.
Now I have already read a couple opinions that say "Keep recruiting, it will sort itself out" Laughable. No strategic planning, no thinking ahead. Seven wings leads to people transferring out. No doubt about it. I guess that is what is meant about" sorting itself out". Sort of like throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. Laughable recruiting strategy. Cannot believe what some experts propose around here.
Ideally, what you want when recruiting to fill a team balance is:
2 Centers
2-3 PF's
3-4 wings
2 SG's
2 PG's
No where do you see 7 wings in that situation? Nonsense! Now, if you want to run a 4 guard offense, good luck with that!
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Because it is false. We don't have "too many wings."
In basketball these days four of those players can be on the floor at any given time. (If you believe that Duane is going to AT LEAST get spot time at point.) Furthermore, we aren't going to be running 13 player rotations. More than one player isn't going to be playing in certain games.
Did not say we have too many wings. The poster mentioned 7 wings. I said that is too many. Reading is fundamental.
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Did not say we have too many wings. The poster mentioned 7 wings. I said that is too many. Reading is fundamental.
Sorry to be stalking you again Willie, but this is just toooo good to pass up.
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Of course, Sultan, the old El Buzzster philosophy of switchables. Of course you would sniff around that all day long. All things Buzz all the time. The number of "experts" we have never ceases to amaze me. But I do respect your opinion.
Now I have already read a couple opinions that say "Keep recruiting, it will sort itself out" Laughable. No strategic planning, no thinking ahead. Seven wings leads to people transferring out. No doubt about it. I guess that is what is meant about" sorting itself out". Sort of like throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. Laughable recruiting strategy. Cannot believe what some experts propose around here.
Ideally, what you want when recruiting to fill a team balance is:
2 Centers
2-3 PF's
3-4 wings
2 SG's
2 PG's
No where do you see 7 wings in that situation? Nonsense! Now, if you want to run a 4 guard offense, good luck with that!
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Sorry to be stalking you again Willie, but this is just toooo good to pass up.
?????? Seven wings is too may. That is so good, I could not pass it up.
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Switchables is a fine philosophy if they have a diversity of basketball skill. Buzz didn't value such diversity (lack of outside shooting). That was the problem.
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is this correct? did we make an offer?
http://utsa.scout.com/player/194110-maurice-o-field/recruiting
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?????? Seven wings is too may. That is so good, I could not pass it up.
I dunno, on progressive night at Hegarty's I always felt like 50 wings were just right.
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According to Twitter he picked Buffalo over 5 other schools including MU.
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Conflicting reports on whether MU offered, but I was wrong on this one. Thought he'd end up here.
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According to Twitter he picked Buffalo over 5 other schools including MU.
Evidently, he wants to maximize his playing time. That's just being smart, if that's what he wants most.
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Well we did not lose him due to Milwaukee's harsh winter weather. ;D
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Well we did not lose him due to Milwaukee's harsh winter weather. ;D
Maybe it wasn't harsh enough?
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Bobby Hurley is doing a great job at Buffalo, as is his brother at Rhode Island. Love to see one of them get the Seton Hall job next month.
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Best of luck to him. Next man up!
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With Hurley gone, will O'Field change his mind about going to Buffalo?
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With Hurley gone, will O'Field change his mind about going to Buffalo?
Wouldn't surprise me. Will probably head to ASU.
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I really hope Nate Oats gets to keep the Buffalo job (interm right now). Wisconsin native!
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Wouldn't surprise me. Will probably head to ASU.
Good call brew brother.
Maurice O'field (Midland College) has decided to reopen his recruitment and will visit Arizona State this weekend