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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MerrittsMustache on January 26, 2015, 11:14:28 AM
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Let's face it, Ners has gone off the deep end and clearly isn't going to be banned for turning seemingly every topic into yet another "Derrick Wilson: The Root of All Evil" thread. The "Ignore" button works well to some extent but can't we take it beyond that and just agree to avoid responding to him?
I am fully aware that it's easy to get sucked in because his claims are often so asinine, but what's the point? He's not going to change his mind or listen to rational thoughts. It's gotten to the point where I'm genuinely wondering if he's now just messing with us because some of his posts are so outlandish.
In any event...
As of January 26, 2015 at 11:14, I will no longer respond to Ners.
Signed,
MerrittsMustache
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Good call. I will try to join the movement. Ners makes this place a ton less enjoyable.
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To whom?
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Is he the Skip Bayless of scoop?
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Superbar ;D
I think I'm going to try joining this one. Ignore and not respond. Though it will take pretty much the entire site for it to work, since so many quote him that it draws people back in.
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Made the choice on 1/21/15.
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Made the choice on 1/22/15
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It is highly likely that Ners will be grieving over the loss of these Scoopers, one of which could not contain himself by getting a slam in at Ners after his self imposed ban.
Why can't we all get along? Rodney King
I (Ners) can't get no respect. Rodney Dangerfield
Respect Yourself. The Staple Singers
R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Aretha Franklin/Otis Redding
When Will I be Loved? The Everly Brothers
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It is highly likely that Ners will be grieving over the loss of these Scoopers, one of which could not contain himself by getting a slam in at Ners after his self imposed ban.
While I will happily try to keep this up, I also vow NOT to stop cracking jokes about the knowledge of someone who played basketball in high school. From what I've seen, playing in high school doesn't give you any more insight (and in all honesty, probably gives you less) than people who sat in the bleachers actually watching and paying attention to the game.
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While I will happily try to keep this up, I also vow NOT to stop cracking jokes about the knowledge of someone who played basketball in high school. From what I've seen, playing in high school doesn't give you any more insight (and in all honesty, probably gives you less) than people who sat in the bleachers actually watching and paying attention to the game.
Ehh, it won't be as fun. I won't get to see him respond to such posts by challenging the person to a game of 1-on-1. Or stating that Derrick Wilson dunking over a defender from Georgetown reminds him of himself. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Now that is comedy. Ners's glory days of layup lines on the high school varsity team for Minoqua East High School reminds him of a 6' guard dunking over a 6'7" Big East forward. Absolutely hilarious.
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Ehh, it won't be as fun. I won't get to see him respond to such posts by challenging the person to a game of 1-on-1. Or stating that Derrick Wilson dunking over a defender from Georgetown reminds him of himself. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Now that is comedy. Ners's glory days of layup lines on the high school varsity team for Minoqua East High School reminds him of a 6' guard dunking over a 6'7" Big East forward. Absolutely hilarious.
Wait... that happened? (the post, not the actual HS game)
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Wait... that happened? (the post, not the actual HS game)
Yes. When Derrick dunked people were trolling Ners in the game thread and he replied "reminds me of myself"
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46210.msg690544#msg690544
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Wait... that happened? (the post, not the actual HS game)
Yes in the Georgetown game thread...I'll try to find it quick.
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Yes in the Georgetown game thread...I'll try to find it quick.
Got your back!
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Got your back!
Ahh good call, thanks.
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Joined this train long, long ago.
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Yes. When Derrick dunked people were trolling Ners in the game thread and he replied "reminds me of myself"
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46210.msg690544#msg690544
I think we've found part of the source of our Ners problem. Trolling someone and creating threads devoted to him are a hell of a way to get him to shut up. This "ignore Ners" movement is doomed to fail.
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I had actually finally put him and willie on ignore this morning. It just felt like it was time.
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Yes. When Derrick dunked people were trolling Ners in the game thread and he replied "reminds me of myself"
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46210.msg690544#msg690544
Thanks. I was at the game, so I never checked the game thread.
There are some uhhh... welll... let's say "interesting" comments in that thread.
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1/26/15, How liberating. What was I thinking...should have done this long ago!
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I think we've found part of the source of our Ners problem. Trolling someone and creating threads devoted to him are a hell of a way to get him to shut up. This "ignore Ners" movement is doomed to fail.
You're probably right, but it's worth a shot.
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Yes. When Derrick dunked people were trolling Ners in the game thread and he replied "reminds me of myself"
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46210.msg690544#msg690544
There were also people experiencing the old tingling thrill going up their leg when Derrick did his thunder dunk. They know who they are, and so do we!
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I had actually finally put him and willie on ignore this morning. It just felt like it was time.
Oh, I am at such a loss.
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I won't recognize this as legitimate without some sort of poll.
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Ehh, it won't be as fun. I won't get to see him respond to such posts by challenging the person to a game of 1-on-1. Or stating that Derrick Wilson dunking over a defender from Georgetown reminds him of himself. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Now that is comedy. Ners's glory days of layup lines on the high school varsity team for Minoqua East High School reminds him of a 6' guard dunking over a 6'7" Big East forward. Absolutely hilarious.
Wades - Know you have a major hate woody for me. No worries. As for the post I made - I know the poster who I responded to - his name is Drew. He didn't rebut what I posted, because he knows what I posted is true...that I dunked on many people in my time at MU...at 6'1" So for as much as I know you'd like to think it wasn't a true statement, sorry - once again you are wrong.
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You're probably right, but it's worth a shot.
Responding to a post about your post of a self imposed ban on Ners does not count as a response to Ners, right?
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Lastly, this thread really hurts my feelings. I'm amazed at how incredibly dumb some of the takes/posts I read on this board are.
The record don't lie. The coaching decisions made last year and this year are resulting in underperformance of the talent on the roster. Period. Deal with it, despite all of the excuse making and manufacturing many of you go to to justify the poor record. If you won't blame Buzz or Wojo - then blame the players. But please, don't go blaming Davante, Jamil and Mayo last season as "not being good leaders" for why the team failed. And this season, please don't blame Duane, Carlino, Luke, Juan, or the 5-star sophomore shooting guard being relegated to the bench, nor our All Big East freshman Deonte for transferring, nor the team only having 8 guys, as excuses for why we are losing. Place the blame where it belongs - either Wojo's personnel decisions - or players being played max minutes whose on floor performance isn't commensurate with their playing time.
The team has 7 Top 100 players, which is MORE than enough to win 10 games in this conference this season.
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Lastly, this thread really hurts my feelings. I'm amazed at how incredibly dumb some of the takes/posts I read on this board are.
The record don't lie. The coaching decisions made last year and this year are resulting in underperformance of the talent on the roster. Period. Deal with it, despite all of the excuse making and manufacturing many of you go to to justify the poor record. If you won't blame Buzz or Wojo - then blame the players. But please, don't go blaming Davante, Jamil and Mayo last season as "not being good leaders" for why the team failed. And this season, please don't blame Duane, Carlino, Luke, Juan, or the 5-star sophomore shooting guard being relegated to the bench, nor our All Big East freshman Deonte for transferring, nor the team only having 8 guys, as excuses for why we are losing. Place the blame where it belongs - either Wojo's personnel decisions - or players being played max minutes whose on floor performance isn't commensurate with their playing time.
The team has 7 Top 100 players, which is MORE than enough to win 10 games in this conference this season.
Agreed we have real talent .
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It is ironic that scoop was started because of too many rules and people getting banned on other MU bulletin board sites (or at least that is what I think happened), and now we could use another new site because some people are not banned.
I'm starting to wonder which is better, a well intentioned dictator or anarchy... ;D There has to be a balance somewhere between...?
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>>>>, or the 5-star sophomore shooting guard being relegated to the bench, 4 Star
The team has 7 Top 100 players, which is I think should be MORE than enough to win 10 games in this conference this season.
FIFY
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/evaluation/_/id/144604/jajuan-johnson
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-JaJuan-Johnson-117219
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jajuan-johnson--2
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I'll be honest. I find it amusing that two people have responded to Ners in the "Ban Yourself from Ners" thread.
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This is my last attempt, likely in vain, to get Ners to understand the problem.
Sometimes you have different beliefs than others on this board. Sometimes I agree with them. Sometimes I don't. But there are three problems.
1. Oftentimes those beliefs are accompanied by really bizarre logic. Like Wojo is playing Derrick because he reminds him of himself. Or that Buzz played him to stick it to the administration. Or that inconsistent playing time is playing "mind games" with a player. Why can't you simply accept that coaches have different, basketball-related opinions than you do? FWIW, I agree with you completely that Duane rested too long in the last ten minutes of that game. I think Wojo made a mistake.
2. Your opinions and your aforementioned bizarre logic gets repeated constantly, and in almost every thread in which you participate. Everyone knows how you feel. There is absolutely no need to poison threads and drag them off topic.
3. Let stuff go. You don't have to respond to everything someone says that differs from you.
No one wants to hurt anyone's feelings, but at some point you have to understand that the above make it very difficult for you to be a member of this community that people respect.
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This is my last attempt
Well, that was a long term commitment!!
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Lastly, this thread really hurts my feelings. I'm amazed at how incredibly dumb some of the takes/posts I read on this board are.
The record don't lie. The coaching decisions made last year and this year are resulting in underperformance of the talent on the roster. Period. Deal with it, despite all of the excuse making and manufacturing many of you go to to justify the poor record. If you won't blame Buzz or Wojo - then blame the players. But please, don't go blaming Davante, Jamil and Mayo last season as "not being good leaders" for why the team failed. And this season, please don't blame Duane, Carlino, Luke, Juan, or the 5-star sophomore shooting guard being relegated to the bench, nor our All Big East freshman Deonte for transferring, nor the team only having 8 guys, as excuses for why we are losing. Place the blame where it belongs - either Wojo's personnel decisions - or players being played max minutes whose on floor performance isn't commensurate with their playing time.
The team has 7 Top 100 players, which is MORE than enough to win 10 games in this conference this season.
I admit I might be a bit thick, but the sheer scope of your arrogance never really dawned on me until now. If you are going to so obviously set yourself above both Buzz and Wojo as the pinnacle of basketball knowledge I think you have to give the rest of us some slack when we call you on things. I know we shouldn't dare to question you, but then you wouldn't have anyone to tell how much more you know than them.
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Agreed we have real talent .
Why haven't either of you responded to the posts concerning Florida's situation?
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Ners after his self imposed ban.
One of Ners self-imposed bans lasted less then 24 hours. Another lasted 6 minutes.
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One of Ners self-imposed bans lasted less then 24 hours. Another lasted 6 minutes.
Roughly about the same as Sultan's. See above.
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Lastly, this thread really hurts my feelings. I'm amazed at how incredibly dumb some of the takes/posts I read on this board are.
The record don't lie. The coaching decisions made last year and this year are resulting in underperformance of the talent on the roster. Period. Deal with it, despite all of the excuse making and manufacturing many of you go to to justify the poor record. If you won't blame Buzz or Wojo - then blame the players. But please, don't go blaming Davante, Jamil and Mayo last season as "not being good leaders" for why the team failed. And this season, please don't blame Duane, Carlino, Luke, Juan, or the 5-star sophomore shooting guard being relegated to the bench, nor our All Big East freshman Deonte for transferring, nor the team only having 8 guys, as excuses for why we are losing. Place the blame where it belongs - either Wojo's personnel decisions - or players being played max minutes whose on floor performance isn't commensurate with their playing time.
The team has 7 Top 100 players, which is MORE than enough to win 10 games in this conference this season.
Then just go away. Stop posting. It's that simple. You are not going to convince anybody on here that you actually know what you are talking about so for the love of all that is holy stop trying.
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Lastly, this thread really hurts my feelings. I'm amazed at how incredibly dumb some of the takes/posts I read on this board are.
The record don't lie. The coaching decisions made last year and this year are resulting in underperformance of the talent on the roster. Period. Deal with it, despite all of the excuse making and manufacturing many of you go to to justify the poor record. If you won't blame Buzz or Wojo - then blame the players. But please, don't go blaming Davante, Jamil and Mayo last season as "not being good leaders" for why the team failed. And this season, please don't blame Duane, Carlino, Luke, Juan, or the 5-star sophomore shooting guard being relegated to the bench, nor our All Big East freshman Deonte for transferring, nor the team only having 8 guys, as excuses for why we are losing. Place the blame where it belongs - either Wojo's personnel decisions - or players being played max minutes whose on floor performance isn't commensurate with their playing time.
The team has 7 Top 100 players, which is MORE than enough to win 10 games in this conference this season.
Ignore the obvious and ignore what many, many have pointed out... and ignore that you lost this debate... ignore it and keep posting, posting posting the same garbage over and over and over... and then you question why people are upset with you!! Really?
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Ignore the obvious and ignore what many, many have pointed out... and ignore that you lost this debate... ignore it and keep posting, posting posting the same garbage over and over and over... and then you question why people are upset with you!! Really?
Or keep making excuse after excuse after excuse, excusing our current coach of any expectations that should coincide with this much talent on a roster. Plus he lost Burton, which would have made it 8 Top 100 players. The problem of course is his continued insistence to play a far less talented guy - Derrick - than any of JJJ, Cohen, or Burton.
Yet I know - the same idiots are going to try to say none of JJJ, Cohen or Burton play Derrick's position...which demonstrates further idiocy and lack of understanding of the game. You get your 5 best players on the court for the most amount of minutes:
Carlino
Duane
JJJ/Cohen
Burton
Luke
Yea...that would have been a nice lineup. What could have been.
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Yeah I was right. Shouldn't have bothered.
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Mods
Please post statistics on who is on ignore for all to see.
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My first ignore; all I have to do is find the button to do so (man, it is right there and has now been pressed).
I won't say anything mean as there maybe more going on in your life than I know of... God speed Ners and I hope all works out for you.
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Or keep making excuse after excuse after excuse, excusing our current coach of any expectations that should coincide with this much talent on a roster. Plus he lost Burton, which would have made it 8 Top 100 players. The problem of course is his continued insistence to play a far less talented guy - Derrick - than any of JJJ, Cohen, or Burton.
Yet I know - the same idiots are going to try to say none of JJJ, Cohen or Burton play Derrick's position...which demonstrates further idiocy and lack of understanding of the game. You get your 5 best players on the court for the most amount of minutes:
Carlino
Duane
JJJ/Cohen
Burton
Luke
Yea...that would have been a nice lineup. What could have been.
Ners, what is your measurement for determining the teams five 'best' players?
Seems to me that a guy whose 5th (FG%), 3rd (rebounds), 1st (assists), 4th (steals), 5th (blocks), 6th (points), 5th (eFG%), 4th (oRB%), 5th (tRB%), 1st (AST%), 4th (points produced), and 4th (win shares) would be considered one of the five best players on the roster.
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Some people just don't understand that there is a difference between stating an opinion (which is fine and part of civil discourse) and taking it to extremes and trying to bend others to your will (which is not).
Oh well...
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The team has 7 Top 100 players, which is MORE than enough to win 10 games in this conference this season.
Agreed we have real talent .
Ners and TW,
I am still waiting for your response about the University of Florida. Or Memphis. Or 12-13 Texas. Or 12-13 Kentucky. Or 13-14 Indiana. I could come up with some more if you like. All teams with more and higher ranked top 100 kids on their roster than us that had full rosters, well established coaches, and multiple players taller than Steve Taylor, that had abysmal records. Why did all of these teams fail despite tons of former top 100 kids on the roster?
My conclusion is that sometimes the top 100 rankings are wrong. Or maybe they are right at the time but then the players don't live up to those expectations. What are your takes?
Why haven't either of you responded to the posts concerning Florida's situation?
Thanks Jesmu! Didn't see you there at first.
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Or keep making excuse after excuse after excuse, excusing our current coach of any expectations that should coincide with this much talent on a roster. Plus he lost Burton, which would have made it 8 Top 100 players. The problem of course is his continued insistence to play a far less talented guy - Derrick - than any of JJJ, Cohen, or Burton.
Yet I know - the same idiots are going to try to say none of JJJ, Cohen or Burton play Derrick's position...which demonstrates further idiocy and lack of understanding of the game. You get your 5 best players on the court for the most amount of minutes:
Carlino
Duane
JJJ/Cohen
Burton
Luke
Yea...that would have been a nice lineup. What could have been.
Why is it that all of the prognosticators at the beginning of the season had MU picked towards the bottom of the Big East? It couldn't be because everyone knew that this would be a rebuilding year, losing the majority of scoring from the previous year and having a new head coach? Probably not. It's probably because they ALL knew Wojo was going to play Derrick and not consult the Great and Powerful about the best lineup.
Add me to those who made the choice 1/26/15.
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Why is it that all of the prognosticators at the beginning of the season had MU picked towards the bottom of the Big East? It couldn't be because everyone knew that this would be a rebuilding year, losing the majority of scoring from the previous year and having a new head coach? Probably not. It's probably because they ALL knew Wojo was going to play Derrick and not consult the Great and Powerful about the best lineup.
Add me to those who made the choice 1/26/15.
Don't even blab about the prognosticators picking MU near the bottom of the heap. Same suspects that picked MU to win the conference last year. Very reliable!
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Or keep making excuse after excuse after excuse, excusing our current coach of any expectations that should coincide with this much talent on a roster. Plus he lost Burton, which would have made it 8 Top 100 players. The problem of course is his continued insistence to play a far less talented guy - Derrick - than any of JJJ, Cohen, or Burton.
Yet I know - the same idiots are going to try to say none of JJJ, Cohen or Burton play Derrick's position...which demonstrates further idiocy and lack of understanding of the game. You get your 5 best players on the court for the most amount of minutes:
Carlino
Duane
JJJ/Cohen
Burton
Luke
Yea...that would have been a nice lineup. What could have been.
Ners,
I hate to break it to you, but I don't think most people, including the experts, agree with your assessment of the top 5 players. Most of us have Derrick in the top 5. In fact I think most would agree that our best lineup this season has been:
Derrick
Carlino
Duane
Juan
Luke
Most would put Burton, JjJ, Steve, Sandy, and Dawson in the bottom 5. I think there was a lot of hope (I was on this list for sure) that once Deonte got to move to the three, he would become one of the top 5. But he left before that could happen. I have never heard of a coach whose strategy was simply "play the best 5 players for max minutes no matter what." Well, I've heard of it at the high school and middle school level, when positions aren't as important, but at the college level you have to have a depth chart and play players in the positions that give the team the best chance for success.
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The ban doesn't work if you keep replying to him. Further, the EXACT same argument can be had in every other thread if you'd like.
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FWIW, I'm sorry for this thread. I think creating threads that specifically call out one poster is ultimately harmful. I think even single posts that attack posters are a detriment. I prefer when people stick to the basketball. And I know I've participated before and I apologize for my role in it.
You have some good basketball knowledge Ners. I enjoy the points you make because you think about the game in a way differently than I do. It makes me think about things I wouldn't have considered before. I disagree with a lot of it, you tend to have complex theories whereas I prefer to stick to the simplest solution.
I do take issue with your delivery a lot of the time...in fact it has become most of the time. It is frustrating to debate with someone who calls others idiots or lunatics or adversaries. I am willing to listen to your theories and consider them but not when they are stated as fact. PERIOD. For example, your opinion that with 7 top 100 (You recently said there was 8 but Derrick, Dawson, Mayo, and Carlino were all outside of the top 100) we should be quality. That is a valid opinion, one I disagree with and have offered evidence to the contrary, but a valid opinion. To say it is a fact that we should be a tournament team and everyone who disagrees is lacking in basketball knowledge is something else.
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Don't even blab about the prognosticators picking MU near the bottom of the heap. Same suspects that picked MU to win the conference last year. Very reliable!
So if pronosticators are wrong once, they are wrong all of the time?
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FWIW, I'm sorry for this thread. I think creating threads that specifically call out one poster is ultimately harmful. I think even single posts that attack posters are a detriment. I prefer when people stick to the basketball. And I know I've participated before and I apologize for my role in it.
You have some good basketball knowledge Ners. I enjoy the points you make because you think about the game in a way differently than I do. It makes me think about things I wouldn't have considered before. I disagree with a lot of it, you tend to have complex theories whereas I prefer to stick to the simplest solution.
I do take issue with your delivery a lot of the time...in fact it has become most of the time. It is frustrating to debate with someone who calls others idiots or lunatics or adversaries. I am willing to listen to your theories and consider them but not when they are stated as fact. PERIOD. For example, your opinion that with 7 top 100 (You recently said there was 8 but Derrick, Dawson, Mayo, and Carlino were all outside of the top 100) we should be quality. That is a valid opinion, one I disagree with and have offered evidence to the contrary, but a valid opinion. To say it is a fact that we should be a tournament team and everyone who disagrees is lacking in basketball knowledge is something else.
TAMU, I generally agree with you on most basketball discussions, but, here.... you're just FEEDING THE BEAST!!
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So if pronosticators are wrong once, they are wrong all of the time?
Since the weatherman was wrong once, willie never believes them anymore. No chance there will be snow on the East Coast tonight, once wrong, always wrong!
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So if pronosticators are wrong once, they are wrong all of the time?
Reading is fundamental. I did not say that. What I said was not to blab about people that make these predictions when they so grossly missed their predictions previously. Don't hang your hat on that stuff.
But real cute, Sultan. Once again you have misstated something. Par for the course.
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Since the weatherman was wrong once, willie never believes them anymore. No chance there will be snow on the East Coast tonight, once wrong, always wrong!
Reading is fundamental, Brew. Didn't say any of that.
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Since I like being a contrarian -- for example, I didn't change my name to Ellenson82 -- I am going to un-ignore Ners!
Joyless willie ... well ... that's another story.
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I don't post a lot, but read what everyone has to say with great interest. To be honest, I think Texas Western has come close to Ners level. His lack of knowledge of Division basketball and coaching is hard to believe based on his supposed background. They both make way too many assumptions that are very unlikely true and they try to state them as facts. No clue at all as to what makes a good coach. The biggest problem is stating their "facts" over and over and over again. I read scoop less and less because of these two and of course a few others. I am just a fan trying to get input from someone who really knows basketball and coaching.
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How many ners threads are we gonna do. Who cares what some guy says. Please take this useless thread down as it has nothing to do with basketball. Btw, I don't mind what ners says and if you really do then just ignore him. Sheesh
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I don't post a lot, but read what everyone has to say with great interest. To be honest, I think Texas Western has come close to Ners level. His lack of knowledge of Division basketball and coaching is hard to believe based on his supposed background. They both make way too many assumptions that are very unlikely true and they try to state them as facts. No clue at all as to what makes a good coach. The biggest problem is stating their "facts" over and over and over again. I read scoop less and less because of these two and of course a few others. I am just a fan trying to get input from someone who really knows basketball and coaching.
I agree about Texas Western, but he's not a bad poster just cuz I don't agree with him. He doesn't carpet bomb the threads like Ners and try to take over the board.
The only guy I've really complained about is Ners and Willie is the only one on ignore.
I think, overall, this board holds its own with any other school's board.
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Mods
Please post statistics on who is on ignore for all to see.
Let's throw in some ban hammer stats too.
Rocky, feels like the off season again, eh?
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Since I like being a contrarian -- for example, I didn't change my name to Ellenson82 -- I am going to un-ignore Ners!
Joyless willie ... well ... that's another story.
Yes, you are good at stories MU82.
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All this mental masturbation...
Anyone with half a brain knew that this season was an investment in the future. The team is exceeding expectations. The future looks great. Find the gold nuggets in this season but look toward the next
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It is ironic that scoop was started because of too many rules and people getting banned on other MU bulletin board sites (or at least that is what I think happened), and now we could use another new site because some people are not banned.
I'm starting to wonder which is better, a well intentioned dictator or anarchy... ;D There has to be a balance somewhere between...?
I'm not sure that any board has tried the well intentioned dictator route, I know of one that went Stalinist.
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I'll be honest. I find it amusing that two people have responded to Ners in the "Ban Yourself from Ners" thread.
Skill development takes time.
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I agree about Texas Western, but he's not a bad poster just cuz I don't agree with him. He doesn't carpet bomb the threads like Ners and try to take over the board.
The only guy I've really complained about is Ners and Willie is the only one on ignore.
I think, overall, this board holds its own with any other school's board.
I have no problem with a poster because I don't agree with them, since we are all entitled to our own opinion, and you are correct that TW does not try to hijack every thread. I do however have a problem when posters state opinions as fact and act as if they are at every practice and every meeting. Most of us have no clue what is going on behind closed doors and to be honest, it is none of our business. Comment on whether you think someone is playing good defense or not or how you like man to man defense over a zone; things like that. Don't however act as if you know why Burton transferred or how Wojo is hurting JJJ' confidence when you have no clue. That is why I am just as bothered by TW as I am by Ners. He posts a lot and he actually has some very good insight at times, but then reverts back to throwing Wojo under the bus for things he can't possible know about.
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All this mental masturbation...
Anyone with half a brain knew that this season was an investment in the future. The team is exceeding expectations. The future looks great. Find the gold nuggets in this season but look toward the next
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Couldn't agree more on all accounts.
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Either Ignore, or do not respond to whatever Ners said. Simply go back to the response prior to Ners response and comment on that. If no one responds (and I know sometimes it's hard not to, but remember that's what he wants) maybe he'll just go somewhere else.
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Ners. Two things.
1. If a few people disagree with you on something they may be wrong. But when everyone disagrees with you, including two D1 head coaches, YOU ARE WRONG!!! The fact that you can not understand that creates a lot of problems.
2. Most often the simplest explanation is the correct one. If you hear hoofbeats, don't go looking for zebras.
That being said, lets play 1on1 sometime and then discuss Derrick for hours over scotch.
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How many ners threads are we gonna do. Who cares what some guy says. Please take this useless thread down as it has nothing to do with basketball. Btw, I don't mind what ners says and if you really do then just ignore him. Sheesh
Agree. Never understood the need to hold a sign with flashing lights and brag that you're ignoring someone. Just, you know...ignore them.
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Or keep making excuse after excuse after excuse, excusing our current coach of any expectations that should coincide with this much talent on a roster. Plus he lost Burton, which would have made it 8 Top 100 players. The problem of course is his continued insistence to play a far less talented guy - Derrick - than any of JJJ, Cohen, or Burton.
Yet I know - the same idiots are going to try to say none of JJJ, Cohen or Burton play Derrick's position...which demonstrates further idiocy and lack of understanding of the game. You get your 5 best players on the court for the most amount of minutes:
Carlino
Duane
JJJ/Cohen
Burton
Luke
Yea...that would have been a nice lineup. What could have been.
Dude you really gotta stop with this now. I was as frustrated with the craziness of Buzz last year where I truly believe he threw in the towel. This year Wojo is doing a great job. Sure, hes had some wtf where he has sat Duane too much or didn't play Sandy at all.
We've lost 5 games in conference so far but every single one was truly a toss up game. We just came up short because we are simply limited. This team and roster of 8 guys doesn't have room for error. No matter what it is. It really sucks to see us lose 5 games that we easily could have won but Wojo ain't blowin it and neither are the two players you like to blame. I would like to see Sandy and JJJ get more consistent PT but the two guys you want gone are badly needed. We have lost 5 close games and every single one of them had different reasons.
There is no point in continually ranting about the same things over and over again. We had zero expectations this year and the team is fighting pretty damn well. Sadly, that leads to more heart break seeing as we are competing great in every game just coming up short. But it is a good ride.
Just enjoy this team and coach learning on the fly. Because they seem to be having a good time, unlike last years mess.
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This is my last attempt, likely in vain, to get Ners to understand the problem.
Sometimes you have different beliefs than others on this board. Sometimes I agree with them. Sometimes I don't. But there are three problems.
1. Oftentimes those beliefs are accompanied by really bizarre logic. Like Wojo is playing Derrick because he reminds him of himself. Or that Buzz played him to stick it to the administration. Or that inconsistent playing time is playing "mind games" with a player. Why can't you simply accept that coaches have different, basketball-related opinions than you do? FWIW, I agree with you completely that Duane rested too long in the last ten minutes of that game. I think Wojo made a mistake.
2. Your opinions and your aforementioned bizarre logic gets repeated constantly, and in almost every thread in which you participate. Everyone knows how you feel. There is absolutely no need to poison threads and drag them off topic.
3. Let stuff go. You don't have to respond to everything someone says that differs from you.
No one wants to hurt anyone's feelings, but at some point you have to understand that the above make it very difficult for you to be a member of this community that people respect.
This was in fact Ron Gardenhire's calling card however. Good riddance to that buffoon.
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This was in fact Ron Gardenhire's calling card however. Good riddance to that buffoon.
Man, I would say you guys have been very lucky going from Tom Kelly right to Gardy. The Twins don't always have the most talented teams, and the last few years they have had no pitching at all. When Gardenhire is the worst manager you've likely experienced in your life, you are very lucky.
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What is TW's "supposed background?" That guy's as clueless as Ners and Willie.
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Dude you really gotta stop with this now. I was as frustrated with the craziness of Buzz last year where I truly believe he threw in the towel. This year Wojo is doing a great job. Sure, hes had some wtf where he has sat Duane too much or didn't play Sandy at all.
We've lost 5 games in conference so far but every single one was truly a toss up game. We just came up short because we are simply limited. This team and roster of 8 guys doesn't have room for error. No matter what it is. It really sucks to see us lose 5 games that we easily could have won but Wojo ain't blowin it and neither are the two players you like to blame. I would like to see Sandy and JJJ get more consistent PT but the two guys you want gone are badly needed. We have lost 5 close games and every single one of them had different reasons.
There is no point in continually ranting about the same things over and over again. We had zero expectations this year and the team is fighting pretty damn well. Sadly, that leads to more heart break seeing as we are competing great in every game just coming up short. But it is a good ride.
Just enjoy this team and coach learning on the fly. Because they seem to be having a good time, unlike last years mess.
Very well said H232
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Why is anything Ners says a surprise to this board at this point? Why are people so insistent on changing his mind?
I personally don't agree with Ners in regards to Derrick Wilson for the most part, but it seems those constantly complaining to the mods looking for another ban are just as guilty in this never ending circle. I honestly can't tell who is being more pretentious between Ners and his endless basketball knowledge that has no rival or those who argue with him claiming moral high ground.
It's a Marquette basketball message board. Ners is a Marquette basketball fan. If you guys really complaining can't control yourselves enough to simply not read the Ners quotes from those responding to him then who really has the problem?
I'm just wondering who the Ners' whipping boy will be next year when we don't have Derrick to blame and the team is on the bubble despite the incoming recruiting class.
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This was in fact Ron Gardenhire's calling card however. Good riddance to that buffoon.
Derrick Wilson is like Wojo in every way except the obvious. They are the exact same kind of player...
I can see that. Scrappy, hard-nosed, aggressive and tough minded and fundamentally sound with some limitations they make up in effort.
I could easily see Derrick Wilson come back to MU if his basketball career does not work and be one of Wojo's lead assistants in 3-5 years easily.
He is in the mold of Junior Cadougan a great leader and high character guy you like to be associated with your program. Ok, his shot is not as good as it can be, but so what.
He makes it up in the intangibles. It is not a "bizarre" comparison of the two.
Oh and another thing. Ron Gardenhire was an EXCELLENT MANAGER for the Twins
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Derrick Wilson is like Wojo in every way except the obvious. They are the exact same kind of player...
I can see that. Scrappy, hard-nosed, aggressive and tough minded and fundamentally sound with some limitations they make up in effort.
I could easily see Derrick Wilson come back to MU if his basketball career does not work and be one of Wojo's lead assistants in 3-5 years easily.
He is in the mold of Junior Cadougan a great leader and high character guy you like to be associated with your program. Ok, his shot is not as good as it can be, but so what.
He makes it up in the intangibles. It is not a "bizarre" comparison of the two.
Oh and another thing. Ron Gardenhire was an EXCELLENT MANAGER for the Twins
Since this thread in and of itself is not very basketball relevant I feel it is ok to fire back on this right quick.
Gardy was absolutely dreadful as a manger. Pretty solid "players" guy. Just awful when it came to strategically playing baseball.
I mean if you just had 02-04 to go off maybe you can say he's solid. But 09, 10 and especially 06 showed he is just over matched and benefited from a bad division and very well crafted roster to the dome's strengths.
Not sure who you are a fan of but whose the one central team that continually gets bent over in the playoffs? The 1 lead by dumb dumb Ronald.
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This thread and the dozens exactly like it is a prime example of why after 15-20 years and countless hours wasted I have little to no use for this board any more. Its mostly just sad and pathetic.
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This thread and the dozens exactly like it is a prime example of why after 15-20 years and countless hours wasted I have little to no use for this board any more. Its mostly just sad and pathetic.
Thank you for taking time from your busy day of high horse riding to stop by and share this with us. :o
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Since this thread in and of itself is not very basketball relevant I feel it is ok to fire back on this right quick.
Gardy was absolutely dreadful as a manger. Pretty solid "players" guy. Just awful when it came to strategically playing baseball.
I mean if you just had 02-04 to go off maybe you can say he's solid. But 09, 10 and especially 06 showed he is just over matched and benefited from a bad division and very well crafted roster to the dome's strengths.
Not sure who you are a fan of but whose the one central team that continually gets bent over in the playoffs? The 1 lead by dumb dumb Ronald.
Again, you are spoiled. You have no real idea what makes a bad manager. In 2010, Gardy led a team with a staff anchored by Carl Pavano, Liriano, Scott Baker, Nick Blackburn and Kevin Slowey to 94 wins. Maybe the offense was great you say? Well, they didn't have a single guy hit more than 25 homers, they were playing guys like Danny Valencia and Orlando Hudson every day. That is an indicator of what a great manager Gardenhire is, not the opposite. Same thing for 2009.
In 2006 they won 96 games. Playing Jason Bartlett, Nick Punto, Lew Ford and old worn out Rondell White every day. Here at least they had Johan, and Liriano in his prime. But that team won a division that had 3 teams win 90 games. That is a terrible example of Gardenhire being a bad manager.
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Thank you for taking time from your busy day of high horse riding to stop by and share this with us. :o
I don't know, that seems pretty hard to argue with.
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What is TW's "supposed background?" That guy's as clueless as Ners and Willie.
Pretty sure he's a relative of JjJ's.
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What is TW's "supposed background?" That guy's as clueless as Ners and Willie.
Speaking of clueless, it must be frustrating for you to get that each time you post or look in a mirror.
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Pretty sure he's a relative of JjJ's.
Well that's good. Nothing better than seeing a relative of a player insult another player on the team. I'm sure that's good for morale. Hope it doesn't get back to the actual players that something like that is happening.
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Why is anything Ners says a surprise to this board at this point? Why are people so insistent on changing his mind?
I personally don't agree with Ners in regards to Derrick Wilson for the most part, but it seems those constantly complaining to the mods looking for another ban are just as guilty in this never ending circle. I honestly can't tell who is being more pretentious between Ners and his endless basketball knowledge that has no rival or those who argue with him claiming moral high ground.
It's a Marquette basketball message board. Ners is a Marquette basketball fan. If you guys really complaining can't control yourselves enough to simply not read the Ners quotes from those responding to him then who really has the problem?
I'm just wondering who the Ners' whipping boy will be next year when we don't have Derrick to blame and the team is on the bubble despite the incoming recruiting class.
Well said MattyV.
As for next season, I agree we will be a bubble team - even with the loss of Carlino and no clear cut guy to replace him. Like most, I expect big things from Henry - 12-16ppg. I don't have much of any expectation for Heldt or Nick. Perhaps Haanif. Hopefully JJJ sticks around. Nonetheless, I am looking forward to next season so the whole topic of Derrick Wilson goes away, as does his 34 minutes.
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Well that's good. Nothing better than seeing a relative of a player insult another player on the team. I'm sure that's good for morale. Hope it doesn't get back to the actual players that something like that is happening.
Possibly an old coach, too. I'm sure it's great to hear someone connected to JJJ insulting the head coach on a regular basis too. No doubt in my mind all of this gets back to the coaches and players, and they probably know even better who the posters are than we do.
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Possibly an old coach, too. I'm sure it's great to hear someone connected to JJJ insulting the head coach on a regular basis too. No doubt in my mind all of this gets back to the coaches and players, and they probably know even better who the posters are than we do.
You want to know what the height of arrogance and ego is? Those of you who have never been anywhere near a basketball court - other than perhaps the bench in 6th grade - and then the bleachers at your high school - discrediting a guy like Western who has so many more skins on the wall and experience on and near a basketball court than do 99% of posters here.
It is actually beyond arrogant. I'd never have the audacity or ego to be critical of a guy who plays in the band, plays an instrument simply because I go to a lot of concerts and dabble with a guitar myself. I'd never criticize a wrestler, baseball player, football player, soccer player - nor suggest I know anything much less MORE about any of those sports than GASP - even guys who only played to the varsity level in high school.
So for as much as some of you feel I need to get over myself - you guys REALLY need to get over yourselves, particularly if you are going to dis Texas Western. Take your shots at me, continue to have fun, question my mental health, herd mentality, group think, etc. - but get over yourselves.
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Possibly an old coach, too. I'm sure it's great to hear someone connected to JJJ insulting the head coach on a regular basis too. No doubt in my mind all of this gets back to the coaches and players, and they probably know even better who the posters are than we do.
Just like your drivel about JJJ getting back to him. You are an idiot.
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You want to know what the height of arrogance and ego is? Those of you who have never been anywhere near a basketball court - other than perhaps the bench in 6th grade - and then the bleachers at your high school - discrediting a guy like Western who has so many more skins on the wall and experience on and near a basketball court than do 99% of posters here.
It is actually beyond arrogant. I'd never have the audacity or ego to be critical of a guy who plays in the band, plays an instrument simply because I go to a lot of concerts and dabble with a guitar myself. I'd never criticize a wrestler, baseball player, football player, soccer player - nor suggest I know anything much less MORE about any of those sports than GASP - even guys who only played to the varsity level in high school.
So for as much as some of you feel I need to get over myself - you guys REALLY need to get over yourselves, particularly if you are going to dis Texas Western. Take your shots at me, continue to have fun, question my mental health, herd mentality, group think, etc. - but get over yourselves.
So guys that disagree with TW are arrogant for discrediting someone that has so much more experience than them. What does that make you for disagreeing with now 2 separate groups of Div 1 basketball coaches?
And really? You've never criticized a live performance of a band if it wasn't up to par with their other work, or knocked the food you had at a restaurant? You don't have to be a domain expert in something to be able to be critical of it.
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You want to know what the height of arrogance and ego is? Those of you who have never been anywhere near a basketball court - other than perhaps the bench in 6th grade - and then the bleachers at your high school - discrediting a guy like Western who has so many more skins on the wall and experience on and near a basketball court than do 99% of posters here.
Honest question - at what grade do you attain this self actualization?
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I think we've found part of the source of our Ners problem. Trolling someone and creating threads devoted to him are a hell of a way to get him to shut up. This "ignore Ners" movement is doomed to fail.
Good to see we're nearing five pages of ignoring Ners. ::)
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The point of the thread is somewhat undermined when people are quoting Ners in the thread dedicated to ignoring him.
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Good to see we're nearing five pages of ignoring Ners. ::)
Turgenev couldn't have written it better!!
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So guys that disagree with TW are arrogant for discrediting someone that has so much more experience than them. What does that make you for disagreeing with now 2 separate groups of Div 1 basketball coaches?
And really? You've never criticized a live performance of a band if it wasn't up to par with their other work, or knocked the food you had at a restaurant? You don't have to be a domain expert in something to be able to be critical of it.
I'm saying there is a credibility disconnect that exists when you have limited experience in the field you are being critical of - and when your "experience" is largely relegated to watching from the stands as a fan. At minimum you should really take a look at yourself and question your authority and or ego before calling out guys with much more experience in the field/sport.
All fans are entitled to their opinions. Guys who have never played a sport on even the high school level, certainly are capable of making good points on a sport, and many here do. But, if you go to the level of ridiculing someone who has much more experience than do you, and assert yourself as an expert and equally "bull headed" in asserting you are correct - when you don't have the "playing" experience in the field - that is FAR more egotistical.
As for me questioning both Buzz and Wojo? I never questioned Buzz for 1 second his first 5 years on the job - got made fun of here for being a Buzz slurper. But knew all was not well with Buzz last season. And our record indicated his coaching was AWFUL last season.
As for Wojo - I'm mixed in my feelings on him. Think he's good X's and O's. More concerned about his ability to connect with the players he's going to need to be successful at MU. As for his usage of Derrick this season - tough to say - Derrick is definitely better than last year (hard to be worse), yet this season you can say Wojo has other options that can handle the PG position, and he is STILL choosing to play Derrick 34. Sorry, I just don't agree that's the best decision for this team to win games. Crucify me.
Head coaches don't always get it right. Playing the "trusty" vet isn't always the right call. See Don Majikowski, Drew Bledsoe. Different story if your trusty vet is leading you to wins.
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Good to see we're nearing five pages of ignoring Ners. ::)
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Again, you are spoiled. You have no real idea what makes a bad manager. In 2010, Gardy led a team with a staff anchored by Carl Pavano, Liriano, Scott Baker, Nick Blackburn and Kevin Slowey to 94 wins. Maybe the offense was great you say? Well, they didn't have a single guy hit more than 25 homers, they were playing guys like Danny Valencia and Orlando Hudson every day. That is an indicator of what a great manager Gardenhire is, not the opposite. Same thing for 2009.
In 2006 they won 96 games. Playing Jason Bartlett, Nick Punto, Lew Ford and old worn out Rondell White every day. Here at least they had Johan, and Liriano in his prime. But that team won a division that had 3 teams win 90 games. That is a terrible example of Gardenhire being a bad manager.
The 09 and 10 teams were very strong. 08 would be a better example of him taking a team with no expectations. But again, the Central had never been very strong. In 06 he got SWEPT by Oakland(in his last 5 playoff appearances he went 2-15, yes you read that right). In 06 he had the Cy Young, batting champ, MVP, Cuddyer and Hunter in two of their better years as, one of the best closers in baseball and then Brad Radtke. That was a fantastic baseball team.
09-10 were very strong as well. Granted its when Morneau started to be a wimp but he had MVP Mauer, Delmon in a career year, Cuddyer, Jim Thome
You use someone like Nick Punto as an example to prove your point when really it's mine. Gardy CHOSE to play guys like Punto and Clete Thomas. He would love his little "scrappers" and get in spats with better talent. Glen Perkins is the only Twins player in over a decade to survive the Gardy doghouse and thank god he did. Lohse didn't take a bat to his door for kicks and giggles.
Valencia and O Dog both had great years in 2010 LOL. Look at Danny V's numbers. After that? Not so much. But gardy ran him out of town when he is a great platoon option because he can mash lefties.
Gardy's issue is in game. He will yank the starter inexplicably and watch the bullpen blow it. But then he will have his "vet" like Kevin freaking Correia and leave him in for the 8th when already 4 times earlier he melted down in the 8th.
Players usually leave the Twins and get better, the opposite outside of Phil Hughes doesn't really happen.
Denard Span "I am so glad to be held down in Minnesota anymore"..He actually said something like that after Nats clinched division.
The twins are LOADED with young talent. And Ron's personality and style doesn't mesh with those guys. He had to go, we are better off for it. Most every Twins fan knows it.
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The spirit of this thread came from a good place, but most who claim to want to quit Ners are actually in a codependent relationship with him. They can't help but engage in the same useless drivel thread after thread. This thread is a perfect example of it. You literally have certain members appluading the idea of banning themselves of Ners, but then addressing him. Laughable
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Well for some good news...That arena is looking more and more likely.
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"This thread is making me Thirsty"
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You want to know what the height of arrogance and ego is? Those of you who have never been anywhere near a basketball court - other than perhaps the bench in 6th grade - and then the bleachers at your high school - discrediting a guy like Western who has so many more skins on the wall and experience on and near a basketball court than do 99% of posters here.
It is actually beyond arrogant. I'd never have the audacity or ego to be critical of a guy who plays in the band, plays an instrument simply because I go to a lot of concerts and dabble with a guitar myself. I'd never criticize a wrestler, baseball player, football player, soccer player - nor suggest I know anything much less MORE about any of those sports than GASP - even guys who only played to the varsity level in high school.
So for as much as some of you feel I need to get over myself - you guys REALLY need to get over yourselves, particularly if you are going to dis Texas Western. Take your shots at me, continue to have fun, question my mental health, herd mentality, group think, etc. - but get over yourselves.
I have no idea who TW is. All he has ever said is that he is the parent of a division 1 athlete, or maybe two I can't remember. You seem to be hinting that he is more than that, which I hope he has given you permission to do because outing another scoopers identity against their wishes is kind of crappy. I think TW makes really good points, in fact, I usually agree with him. It's only recently that I've called him out for stating some things as fact that he couldn't possibly know. Which I would call anyone out about. As far as anyone here knows, TW is just another fan like us.
We take shots at you because 99% of people agree that a fan who played high school basketball ~30 years ago doesn't have a significantly greater understanding of college basketball than a fan who didn't. Most of us accept that high school basketball and college basketball are vastly differently animals. We also know both high school and college basketball have changed dramatically in the past ~30 years. So playing experience from that era is increasingly less relevant. Still relevant, but becoming less relevant.
You've used the band example before. I would trust the opinion of someone who has attended dozens of concerts over the past decade over someone who played an instrument in high school ~30 years ago. If the person who played an instrument back in high school also attended dozens of concerts in the past decade, I would trust their opinions equally.
We don't need to get over ourselves because we don't hold what we say as fact. We know we are just spouting mostly uninformed opinions. We don't think our opinions are better than anybody else's. Can you say the same about yourself?
It's not your (or TW's) opinions that people take issue with. It is the fact the you very openly and publicly proclaim them as better than everyone else's.
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Those of us who have been around this board (and its predecessor) for a while recall another poster who was indisputably a more accomplished basketball player than the rest of us (admittedly, not a high bar in my case). He had some strong opinions too, which he presented as fact. Coincidentally, I recall that one of his more controversial opinions related to a point guard, and led to an early Scoop meme (before we really knew what memes were): "dime-a-dozen point guard."
The fact that the dime-a-dozen point guard is back on Marquette's bench and the fact that this thread has reached five pages reminds me that there is nothing new under the sun.
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The 09 and 10 teams were very strong. 08 would be a better example of him taking a team with no expectations. But again, the Central had never been very strong. In 06 he got SWEPT by Oakland(in his last 5 playoff appearances he went 2-15, yes you read that right). In 06 he had the Cy Young, batting champ, MVP, Cuddyer and Hunter in two of their better years as, one of the best closers in baseball and then Brad Radtke. That was a fantastic baseball team.
09-10 were very strong as well. Granted its when Morneau started to be a wimp but he had MVP Mauer, Delmon in a career year, Cuddyer, Jim Thome
You use someone like Nick Punto as an example to prove your point when really it's mine. Gardy CHOSE to play guys like Punto and Clete Thomas. He would love his little "scrappers" and get in spats with better talent. Glen Perkins is the only Twins player in over a decade to survive the Gardy doghouse and thank god he did. Lohse didn't take a bat to his door for kicks and giggles.
Valencia and O Dog both had great years in 2010 LOL. Look at Danny V's numbers. After that? Not so much. But gardy ran him out of town when he is a great platoon option because he can mash lefties.
Gardy's issue is in game. He will yank the starter inexplicably and watch the bullpen blow it. But then he will have his "vet" like Kevin freaking Correia and leave him in for the 8th when already 4 times earlier he melted down in the 8th.
Players usually leave the Twins and get better, the opposite outside of Phil Hughes doesn't really happen.
Denard Span "I am so glad to be held down in Minnesota anymore"..He actually said something like that after Nats clinched division.
The twins are LOADED with young talent. And Ron's personality and style doesn't mesh with those guys. He had to go, we are better off for it. Most every Twins fan knows it.
Can't argue with the playoff record. Definitely struggles there, but again, maybe that is the talent showing more than anything. Though that 06 A's team was pretty good as well.
You really think Hudson had a great year in 10? By great do you mean that his completely mediocre offense didn't hurt the team?
Who should have been playing instead of Punto? It isn't like he had Ian Kinsler sitting on the bench.
I also think it is hard to blame the coach for poorly managing a pitching staff when the entire bullpen outside the closer is terrible. Heck, that entire staff was terrible.
The point I was contesting was that you think Gardenhire is a bad manager. He took a small market team with low payroll and won his division 6 times in 13 years as manager. That is pretty freaking good.
The biggest problem with the Twins is paying a third of their payroll to a bum kneed, slap hitting first baseman.
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Those of us who have been around this board (and its predecessor) for a while recall another poster who was indisputably a more accomplished basketball player than the rest of us (admittedly, not a high bar in my case). He had some strong opinions too, which he presented as fact. Coincidentally, I recall that one of his more controversial opinions related to a point guard, and led to an early Scoop meme (before we really knew what memes were): "dime-a-dozen point guard."
The fact that the dime-a-dozen point guard is back on Marquette's bench and the fact that this thread has reached five pages reminds me that there is nothing new under the sun.
Pretty sure he is still kicking around Dodds' site. Can't say for certain, because I'm not allowed there anymore.
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Murf is indeed still going strong and wrong.
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Can't argue with the playoff record. Definitely struggles there, but again, maybe that is the talent showing more than anything. Though that 06 A's team was pretty good as well.
You really think Hudson had a great year in 10? By great do you mean that his completely mediocre offense didn't hurt the team?
Who should have been playing instead of Punto? It isn't like he had Ian Kinsler sitting on the bench.
I also think it is hard to blame the coach for poorly managing a pitching staff when the entire bullpen outside the closer is terrible. Heck, that entire staff was terrible.
The point I was contesting was that you think Gardenhire is a bad manager. He took a small market team with low payroll and won his division 6 times in 13 years as manager. That is pretty freaking good.
The biggest problem with the Twins is paying a third of their payroll to a bum kneed, slap hitting first baseman.
Hudson relative to what we had continually gotten out of middle infielders yeah it was big time. Him and Hardy(who actually was inconsistent with the stick that year too) were HUGE. It went to show just how little improve that team needed up the middle. Just something consistent and veteran. Hardy was another Gardy didn't like. No denying how well he went on to play.
The Twins have actually almost always had very solid to good bullpens. Even the last few years when they have been terrible teams the bullpen isn't some Detroit debacle. Last year it declined late with injuries but hasn't been an issue.
Have starters been world beaters? No. But on all those playoff teams they were decent guys. Blackburn and Baker at those times were serviceable Rick Porcello types.
The issue is we would just get bent over by the Yankees under Ron he didn't know how make the righ tmoves. The tigers almost always win at least 1 series(own the yanks), Royals went right to the world series. Indians beat the Yanks. White Sox won a WS. You don't need fantastic pitching just to win a few games but he couldn't even do that.
One of the craziest examples of Ron I will always remember. In the prime of that Yanks dominance stretch it was a regular season game at the Bronx. Duensing on the hill facing Texieria(much less dangerous from right side). Sure, 2nd and 3rd...walking him sets up DP. Issue is its A Roid on deck and Guerrier warming. A Rod was 7-10 lifetime with like 3 homers or something off Guerrier. If the TV crew can tell me that, Ron porbably has that stat handy as well. First pitch? Grand slam...now were losing.
He just lacked the strategy part to baseball you know the anti Joe Maddon. Through 162 games with a solid roster you can let talent prevail but come October you have to push the right buttons, he can't.
As for your Mauer/Payroll point...don't worry I think Terry Ryan/Ownership are bigger issues. This franchise has so much money but instead of spending on Lesters/Pujols of the worlds(just examples)they throw 48 mil at Ricky freaking Nolasco.
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I have no idea who TW is. All he has ever said is that he is the parent of a division 1 athlete, or maybe two I can't remember. You seem to be hinting that he is more than that, which I hope he has given you permission to do because outing another scoopers identity against their wishes is kind of crappy. I think TW makes really good points, in fact, I usually agree with him. It's only recently that I've called him out for stating some things as fact that he couldn't possibly know. Which I would call anyone out about. As far as anyone here knows, TW is just another fan like us.
We take shots at you because 99% of people agree that a fan who played high school basketball ~30 years ago doesn't have a significantly greater understanding of college basketball than a fan who didn't. Most of us accept that high school basketball and college basketball are vastly differently animals. We also know both high school and college basketball have changed dramatically in the past ~30 years. So playing experience from that era is increasingly less relevant. Still relevant, but becoming less relevant.
You've used the band example before. I would trust the opinion of someone who has attended dozens of concerts over the past decade over someone who played an instrument in high school ~30 years ago. If the person who played an instrument back in high school also attended dozens of concerts in the past decade, I would trust their opinions equally.
We don't need to get over ourselves because we don't hold what we say as fact. We know we are just spouting mostly uninformed opinions. We don't think our opinions are better than anybody else's. Can you say the same about yourself?
It's not your (or TW's) opinions that people take issue with. It is the fact the you very openly and publicly proclaim them as better than everyone else's.
TAMU - You usually make sound arguments. You fail significantly in this one. I laugh at the notion that you try to suggest you and the others who disagree with me frequently don't state their positions as "fact." And you don't feel your opinions are better than anybody else's?
Let's hope ESPN soon gets rid of Bilas as he played ball far too long ago to have a relevant take. Same with Bob Knight. Rafferty. Jay Williams. Clark Kellogg. Greg Anthony. Charles Barkley. Kenny Smith. Len Elmore. Mike Kelley.
Hopefully soon we get more color commentators and basketball analysts doing Marquette games who were in band, wrestling, baseball, soccer, rugby, football, chess club, or any other extracurricular, because let's face it: playing the game doesn't really matter.
But to your point, I won't back down from my assertions regarding Derrick as being THE problem with last year's team. Nor will I back down from saying he shouldn't be playing 34 minutes per game this season, even though he's improved. Nor will I back down from saying the team didn't't stand a chance to be a winner last season, or this with him playing 30+ per game. The record won't and don't lie. Derrick will have been the PG of record for an MU team that missed the NIT, (when the pre-season favorite to win the conference title) and now this year's team which will be an NIT participant. We are talking Dukiet era performance here. On teams with WAY more talent than Bob Dukiet ever had/assembled.
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Those of us who have been around this board (and its predecessor) for a while recall another poster who was indisputably a more accomplished basketball player than the rest of us (admittedly, not a high bar in my case). He had some strong opinions too, which he presented as fact. Coincidentally, I recall that one of his more controversial opinions related to a point guard, and led to an early Scoop meme (before we really knew what memes were): "dime-a-dozen point guard."
The fact that the dime-a-dozen point guard is back on Marquette's bench and the fact that this thread has reached five pages reminds me that there is nothing new under the sun.
One significant and important difference between now and then...Murf espoused very strong opinions on a wide variety of basketball related topics. Who can forget the "Wide Post" among others? I had more than my share of disagreements with the great one, but what we get today is the same exact tired arguments seemingly injected into every single thread.
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Chrissakes Dave. Sorry I was busy away from college for a few days. I'll be happy to let Wades know how the Jumpman was really your silhouette from legendary game at the Rec Center circa 94.
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Hudson relative to what we had continually gotten out of middle infielders yeah it was big time. Him and Hardy(who actually was inconsistent with the stick that year too) were HUGE. It went to show just how little improve that team needed up the middle. Just something consistent and veteran. Hardy was another Gardy didn't like. No denying how well he went on to play.
The Twins have actually almost always had very solid to good bullpens. Even the last few years when they have been terrible teams the bullpen isn't some Detroit debacle. Last year it declined late with injuries but hasn't been an issue.
Have starters been world beaters? No. But on all those playoff teams they were decent guys. Blackburn and Baker at those times were serviceable Rick Porcello types.
The issue is we would just get bent over by the Yankees under Ron he didn't know how make the righ tmoves. The tigers almost always win at least 1 series(own the yanks), Royals went right to the world series. Indians beat the Yanks. White Sox won a WS. You don't need fantastic pitching just to win a few games but he couldn't even do that.
One of the craziest examples of Ron I will always remember. In the prime of that Yanks dominance stretch it was a regular season game at the Bronx. Duensing on the hill facing Texieria(much less dangerous from right side). Sure, 2nd and 3rd...walking him sets up DP. Issue is its A Roid on deck and Guerrier warming. A Rod was 7-10 lifetime with like 3 homers or something off Guerrier. If the TV crew can tell me that, Ron porbably has that stat handy as well. First pitch? Grand slam...now were losing.
He just lacked the strategy part to baseball you know the anti Joe Maddon. Through 162 games with a solid roster you can let talent prevail but come October you have to push the right buttons, he can't.
As for your Mauer/Payroll point...don't worry I think Terry Ryan/Ownership are bigger issues. This franchise has so much money but instead of spending on Lesters/Pujols of the worlds(just examples)they throw 48 mil at Ricky freaking Nolasco.
Maybe you are right and it was time for a change. Maybe Gardenhire's voice doesn't work the way it once did. A couple things though.
1) Joe Maddon has a 13-17 record in the playoffs. So, I'm not sure he is the standard you think he is.
2) The Twins ranked 15 out of 15 teams in ERA last season. Hardly a serviceable staff. In 2013 they were 14 out of 15. In 2012 they were 13 of 14. 2011 they were 13 of 14. If you don't have the pitchers, you aren't going to win, no matter who is managing.
3) Hardy certainly went on to play well. But for whatever reason his year in Minnesota was the one of the worst of his career. Maybe it was Gardy, maybe it was the park, maybe it was injuries, who knows. But he didn't hit well. I stand by my assertion that Orlando Hudson was at best a mediocre hitter, even for a second baseman.
4) The situation you played out in a regular season game, maybe it was a learning experience for the team, because in the 2010 playoffs, Arod went 3-11 with no XBH and 1 RBI. Guerrier threw 2 innings allowing 1 hit.
5) I would also contend that Terry Ryan is much more the reason the Twins have been good, than they have been bad. There is a big difference between 48 million and 144 million. The Twins will not likely be signing anyone to a contract like that any time soon. Nor will the White Sox, nor the Royals, nor the Indians.
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Maybe you are right and it was time for a change. Maybe Gardenhire's voice doesn't work the way it once did. A couple things though.
1) Joe Maddon has a 13-17 record in the playoffs. So, I'm not sure he is the standard you think he is.
2) The Twins ranked 15 out of 15 teams in ERA last season. Hardly a serviceable staff. In 2013 they were 14 out of 15. In 2012 they were 13 of 14. 2011 they were 13 of 14. If you don't have the pitchers, you aren't going to win, no matter who is managing.
3) Hardy certainly went on to play well. But for whatever reason his year in Minnesota was the one of the worst of his career. Maybe it was Gardy, maybe it was the park, maybe it was injuries, who knows. But he didn't hit well. I stand by my assertion that Orlando Hudson was at best a mediocre hitter, even for a second baseman.
4) The situation you played out in a regular season game, maybe it was a learning experience for the team, because in the 2010 playoffs, Arod went 3-11 with no XBH and 1 RBI. Guerrier threw 2 innings allowing 1 hit.
5) I would also contend that Terry Ryan is much more the reason the Twins have been good, than they have been bad. There is a big difference between 48 million and 144 million. The Twins will not likely be signing anyone to a contract like that any time soon. Nor will the White Sox, nor the Royals, nor the Indians.
1. Joe Maddon has made a WS though. And he does it with literally no payroll. The guy is the anti Gardy in that players come to Maddon and do far better than before...like a James Loney.
2. I wasn't saying our pitching staffs the last couple years, the Twins have been awful for 4 years now. I meant the playoff pitching staffs were all serviceable. Much like the O's of this year.
3. Gardy didn't like Hardy and the issue was giving up on him and O Dog(he was going to be gone) and losing our middle infield continuity again. It also made the Santana and Gomez trades now null.
4. It was just an example of Gardy not really having clue. He's too paint by numbers. Lefty pitching? He must face the lefty. Right? Must be righty. There is no depth to his thinking and actually knowing the match ups
5. Again, this is an outsiders view. You won't find a Twins fan who likes Ryan. He is literally reffered to as Curly Ryan. This guy is clueless as they come. His only good trade ever? Liriano, Nathan and Bonser for Pierzynski. I'll let you guess which one of those 3 he thought was the "prize". The Pohlads are loaded. They don't like to spend, this team should have a bigger pay roll. But when they do...Ryan goes out and gets JUNK. And Gardy didn't win or make any of these guys better. In 2011 the payroll was like 110 mil. Scared them out of spending. Now they are spending again but doing it on Mike Pelfrey(6 mil a year??) 48 mil for Nolasco? Now even though he deserved a raise now they just threw the house at Hughes(he better not regress). See, throwing 20 mil a year at Lester may be a ton, but it has value. 12 mil a year for Nolasco is still a lot...with no value.
It's a concept management doesn't get. Hopefully Molitor has his way, tells Ryan to get the kids up here and lets them play. Because talent is everywhere if Terry just gets the right pitching.
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TAMU - You usually make sound arguments. You fail significantly in this one. I laugh at the notion that you try to suggest you and the others who disagree with me frequently don't state their positions as "fact." And you don't feel your opinions are better than anybody else's?
Let's hope ESPN soon gets rid of Bilas as he played ball far too long ago to have a relevant take. Same with Bob Knight. Rafferty. Jay Williams. Clark Kellogg. Greg Anthony. Charles Barkley. Kenny Smith. Len Elmore. Mike Kelley.
Hopefully soon we get more color commentators and basketball analysts doing Marquette games who were in band, wrestling, baseball, soccer, rugby, football, chess club, or any other extracurricular, because let's face it: playing the game doesn't really matter.
Nice try. I truly don't believe my opinions are better than anyone else. And for the most part, I don't see anyone else on here proclaiming that because they played basketball ~30 years ago their opinions are better. That is reserved to you.
You grossly missed the point of my statement. ALL you have is playing experience from high school and sitting on your butt watching college basketball with the rest of us. I think you said you did a little coaching for kids at some point to. Bilas, Raferty, Knight and all the others you mentioned have been coaches and analysts for decades. They not only have playing experience at the college and professional level, they also continued to gain experience in other ways. They have the credentials to be considered expert opinions. Someone who played high school ball? Not so much.
But to your point, I won't back down from my assertions regarding Derrick as being THE problem with last year's team. OPINION Nor will I back down from saying he shouldn't be playing 34 minutes per game this season, OPINION even though he's improved FACT. Nor will I back down from saying the team didn't't stand a chance to be a winner last season OPINION, or this with him playing 30+ per game OPINION. The record won't and don't lie OPINION. Derrick will have been the PG of record for an MU team that missed the NIT, (when the pre-season favorite to win the conference title) FACT and now this year's team which will be an NIT participant GUESS. We are talking Dukiet era performance here FACT. On teams with WAY more talent than Bob Dukiet ever had/assembled OPINION.
Just helping you out. You can keep all your opinions. That is great, that is what this board is for. But if you keep stating them as fact when they are not, and if you keep going off about your opinion being more relevant than anyone else, then people are going to react negatively towards you. You'd probably have more success if you changed tactics.
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TAMU - You usually make sound arguments. You fail significantly in this one. I laugh at the notion that you try to suggest you and the others who disagree with me frequently don't state their positions as "fact." And you don't feel your opinions are better than anybody else's?
Let's hope ESPN soon gets rid of Bilas as he played ball far too long ago to have a relevant take. Same with Bob Knight. Rafferty. Jay Williams. Clark Kellogg. Greg Anthony. Charles Barkley. Kenny Smith. Len Elmore. Mike Kelley.
Hopefully soon we get more color commentators and basketball analysts doing Marquette games who were in band, wrestling, baseball, soccer, rugby, football, chess club, or any other extracurricular, because let's face it: playing the game doesn't really matter.
But to your point, I won't back down from my assertions regarding Derrick as being THE problem with last year's team. Nor will I back down from saying he shouldn't be playing 34 minutes per game this season, even though he's improved. Nor will I back down from saying the team didn't't stand a chance to be a winner last season, or this with him playing 30+ per game. The record won't and don't lie. Derrick will have been the PG of record for an MU team that missed the NIT, (when the pre-season favorite to win the conference title) and now this year's team which will be an NIT participant. We are talking Dukiet era performance here. On teams with WAY more talent than Bob Dukiet ever had/assembled.
You get upset that you feel people are stating things as fact that you don't agree with and start throwing around ad hominem attacks. How is that any better than stating things as fact in the first place?
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Chrissakes Dave. Sorry I was busy away from college for a few days. I'll be happy to let Wades know how the Jumpman was really your silhouette from legendary game at the Rec Center circa 94.
:)
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Anyone else find the interleaved baseball conversation in this thread highly amusing?
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Anyone else find the interleaved baseball conversation in this thread highly amusing?
Without a doubt the best part of the thread!
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Nice try. I truly don't believe my opinions are better than anyone else. And for the most part, I don't see anyone else on here proclaiming that because they played basketball ~30 years ago their opinions are better. That is reserved to you.
You grossly missed the point of my statement. ALL you have is playing experience from high school and sitting on your butt watching college basketball with the rest of us. I think you said you did a little coaching for kids at some point to. Bilas, Raferty, Knight and all the others you mentioned have been coaches and analysts for decades. They not only have playing experience at the college and professional level, they also continued to gain experience in other ways. They have the credentials to be considered expert opinions. Someone who played high school ball? Not so much.
Just helping you out. You can keep all your opinions. That is great, that is what this board is for. But if you keep stating them as fact when they are not, and if you keep going off about your opinion being more relevant than anyone else, then people are going to react negatively towards you. You'd probably have more success if you changed tactics.
You beat me to this, TAMU.
Comparing an observer who has only high school playing experience to analysts who were high-major college players, coaches and pros? That's as dopey as comparing Derrick Wilson to Chris Paul.
Yep, I said it.
If Jay Bilas = Chris Paul -- and as an announcer, he does -- then Ners = Derrick Wilson!
Ners is the Derrick Wilson of basketball debate!!!
Except Derrick is having a much better year so far.
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You beat me to this, TAMU.
Comparing an observer who has only high school playing experience to analysts who were high-major college players, coaches and pros? That's as dopey as comparing Derrick Wilson to Chris Paul.
Yep, I said it.
If Jay Bilas = Chris Paul -- and as an announcer, he does -- then Ners = Derrick Wilson!
Ners is the Derrick Wilson of basketball debate!!!
Except Derrick is having a much better year so far.
Not to mention unbelievably arrogant. He backs up his opinion because most of us didn't play above 8th grade so he played four years higher level than us (not necessarily at a simeon or montverde academy either where you're playing a really high level). What he doesn't grasp is that it's the same amount of time difference these guys, at least, played at a higher level. He acts like their peer because he played but he's to them what he thinks we are to him.
I get his pride for playing HS ball but here's the facts
26,407 public high schools and 10,963 private high schools in the united states. Let's imagine that a third of the greater than 37,000 high schools sponsor a varsity basketball program. Now all schools aren't created equal so let's say 10-15 on each team so let's say roughly a 12 average that's 147,996 high school players. Now that really doesn't make him that special having played. Whereas say D1 colleges there's 351 schools with roughly 12 players on each team that's 4,212 players. That's a HUGE difference in terms of exposure and time to learn about the game between Ners and someone like Wojo or Bilas (not taking into account all the time coaching).
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Ners is the Derrick Wilson of basketball debate!!!
Except Derrick is having a much better year so far.
This is a good point. I mean, what kind of idiot moderators does it take to let one guy get so many posts while adding so little quality. Even worse his MUScoopAdd ranking is even worse than last season.
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Not to mention unbelievably arrogant. He backs up his opinion because most of us didn't play above 8th grade
Pfftttt, I played JV. I didn't realize most only played to 8th grade. I no longer consider the opinions of you 8th grade only players relevant.
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This is a good point. I mean, what kind of idiot moderators does it take to let one guy get so many posts while adding so little quality. Even worse his MUScoopAdd ranking is even worse than last season.
I LOL'ed
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This is a good point. I mean, what kind of idiot moderators does it take to let one guy get so many posts while adding so little quality. Even worse his MUScoopAdd ranking is even worse than last season.
Either the mods have packed it in and have one foot out the door or Ners reminds them of themselves back when they were posters. Those are the only logical explanations for why he gets so many posts.
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This is a good point. I mean, what kind of idiot moderators does it take to let one guy get so many posts while adding so little quality. Even worse his MUScoopAdd ranking is even worse than last season.
High usage + low efficiency = disaster
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Anyone else notice Ners conveniently befriends former coaches, family members, or other insiders of players or recruits here on the Scoop?
He winds them up, whispers sweet nothings in their ears, and is the mouthpiece for them. You saw it PhillyCoach, Dawsons dad, Neveda223, and now Texas Western. Rinse & repeat.
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High usage + low efficiency = disaster
High minutes + No Production = Nearly Invisible/Limited Role Player. Take it up with KenPom Lenny. Negative Value Add last year (and Buzz played him more minutes than any other player on team.)
Sorry, but I like the cluster of players around JJJ I referenced earlier in this thread.
Also, just because you come in a game, and perhaps have a turnover, and miss your first two shots - it doesn't mean you are going to have a bad game, and should be benched. Hell Mayo did just this a lot the last 10 games last season, yet FOR ONCE, Buzz let him play through those moment and stay on the floor. Eventually his talent normalized things, and he produced. But many here who have limited experience playing the game simply don't understand this. Yet when you get 30+ minutes nearly EVERY game, you are getting optimum opportunity to post relevant and true metrics.
Lastly, getting caught up in O-Rating is a bit of slippery slope as it weights incredibly heavy on turnovers - guys who aren't aggressive, don't shoot frequently, and essentially do nothing other than not turn the ball over, and take fewer than 3-4 shots a game, can post a solid O-Rating.
Furthermore if O-Rating were the holy grail of defining a player's quality/worth, Pomeroy wouldn't still assign a rating of Nearly Invisible/Limited Role Player to a player with a high O-Rating that also plays high minutes.
I mean Jake Thomas was a 108.3 last season. Duane Wilson is 103.6 so far. Who would you rather have? Jake or Duane? Again, O-rating is greatly inflated by guys who don't turn the ball over - yet why do they not turn the ball over? They rarely create/attack offense.
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This is just too funny....what a thread - just missing some fishing commentary and SMU17 and it would be the next candidate for to be enshrined in the scoop hall of fame.
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Anyone else notice Ners conveniently befriends former coaches, family members, or other insiders of players or recruits here on the Scoop?
He winds them up, whispers sweet nothings in their ears, and is the mouthpiece for them. You saw it PhillyCoach, Dawsons dad, Neveda223, and now Texas Western. Rinse & repeat.
Clarification: I don't "befriend" them - I appreciate, value, and share the opinions of guys who are far more involved and experienced in the game than vast majority of armchair idiots (like you Reinko) posting in this thread. And just as many of the guys here that share similar opinions (that I disagree with) tend to "befriend" each other, the same occurs for me as a result of sharing similar opinions.
Yet we have members of the band, guys who were Star Wars nerds, and every thing else under the sun other than playing basketball discrediting the above posters. Talk about arrogant.
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Clarification: I don't "befriend" them - I appreciate, value, and share the opinions of guys who are far more involved and experienced in the game than vast majority of armchair idiots (like you Reinko) posting in this thread. And just as many of the guys here that share similar opinions (that I disagree with) tend to "befriend" each other, the same occurs for me as a result of sharing similar opinions.
Yet we have members of the band, guys who were Star Wars nerds, and every thing else under the sun other than playing basketball discrediting the above posters. Talk about arrogant.
Cool man. Calling people nerds and idiots. On the internet. In a basketball forum. This is your life.
Really, it is. Bummer for ya.
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Cool man. Calling people nerds and idiots. On the internet. In a basketball forum. This is your life.
Really, it is. Bummer for ya.
He's probably wearing his letterman jacket and just got back from taping Larry Lester's buns together. (anybody catch the 80s movie reference?)
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Cool man. Calling people nerds and idiots. On the internet. In a basketball forum. This is your life.
Really, it is. Bummer for ya.
LOL - No worries Reinko. I've been called worse here. On the internet. In a basketball forum. Thankfully my skin isn't as thin as many here, or yours for that matter. Bummer for "ya."
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LOL - No worries Reinko. I've been called worse here. On the internet. In a basketball forum. Thankfully my skin isn't as thin as many here, or yours for that matter. Bummer for "ya."
Sometimes it's hard to respond to you since you don't accept facts when they're presented. Your more about conspiracies and "inside" knowledge.
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He's probably wearing his letterman jacket and just got back from taping Larry Lester's buns together. (anybody catch the 80s movie reference?)
Says the guy with a picture of him in the ring as his avatar. ::)
But no Bag - didn't ever get a letter jacket or class ring - thought both were cheesy.
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Sometimes it's hard to respond to you since you don't accept facts when they're presented. Your more about conspiracies and "inside" knowledge.
No worries Jones - I present plenty of facts that support my viewpoints. Plenty. I can agree that my take on Buzz last season could be construed as a "conspiracy theory." Absolutely. Yet when he left MU for VaTech within a week of the season being over - think that pretty much confirmed what I'd been saying all of last season: Buzz wasn't the same guy. Wasn't right. Wasn't committed to MU/winning last season.
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This is just too funny....what a thread - just missing some fishing commentary and SMU17 and it would be the next candidate for to be enshrined in the scoop hall of fame.
Cannot go to the Hall of Fame without a diverted thread about Kate Upton's assets. Then it goes straight to the Apple Cloud.
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Cannot go to the Hall of Fame without a diverted thread about Kate Upton's assets. Then it goes straight to the Apple Cloud.
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Says the guy with a picture of him in the ring as his avatar. ::)
But no Bag - didn't ever get a letter jacket or class ring - thought both were cheesy.
That'd be a better comeback if I had said anything about nerds or arm chair guys just based on your post I couldn't resist the breakfast club comparison lol
and it's my profile picture because it was the national semis for golden gloves and I'm wearing a marquette under armor shirt some of my friends went there and chanted "we are marquette" it was my proudest moment with the university since remotely being affiliated when I got my acceptance letter.
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Either the mods have packed it in and have one foot out the door or Ners reminds them of themselves back when they were posters. Those are the only logical explanations for why he gets so many posts.
Maybe he gets "so many posts" because he has lots of free time on his hands, and generates lots of responses to his posts--especially from people who "banned themselves" from Ners. Oh, if we were all that worthy.
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Good try Sultan. But we do need comments on Kate's assets.
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This is a good point. I mean, what kind of idiot moderators does it take to let one guy get so many posts while adding so little quality. Even worse his MUScoopAdd ranking is even worse than last season.
Ha!
But what's his eWord%?
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High minutes + No Production = Nearly Invisible/Limited Role Player. Take it up with KenPom Lenny. Negative Value Add last year (and Buzz played him more minutes than any other player on team.)
Whoosh
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Clarification: I don't "befriend" them - I appreciate, value, and share the opinions of guys who are far more involved and experienced in the game than vast majority of armchair idiots (like you Reinko) posting in this thread. And just as many of the guys here that share similar opinions (that I disagree with) tend to "befriend" each other, the same occurs for me as a result of sharing similar opinions.
Yet we have members of the band, guys who were Star Wars nerds, and every thing else under the sun other than playing basketball discrediting the above posters. Talk about arrogant.
Like the former NBA player who has praised derrick in our games this year?
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A post on an internet message board, by an internet message board poster, complaining that another
internet message board poster is WAY TOO internet message board poster-y. An enjoyable 6-pg. read
so far.
"Jesus, is this f***in' necessary?!"
http://www.youtube.com/v/9_peSCECc4I&fs=1&source=uds
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Like the former NBA player who has praised derrick in our games this year?
Dickey Simpkins is a horrible announcer, and I believe his Derrick love is way over the top.
But yes, let's look at the facts:
Dickey played four years in high school at a very high level. He then started for most of his four seasons at a Big East school and was good enough to be a first-round NBA draft pick. He then played six pro seasons, including three years for a championship team. And his knowledge impressed executives at both ESPN and Fox to employ him as an announcer for multiple seasons.
So ...
If I accept that Ners is right about a former high school player being a more qualified observer than a non-player ... it stands to reason that a six-year pro who excelled in college and high school absolutely must be a far more qualified observer than a former high school player. That's Logic 101.
Ipso fatso, Derrick Wilson is the heart and soul of this Marquette team, an outstanding point guard, a heady floor leader, and all of the other compliments Dickey throws at him.
I happen to disagree with those assessments, but Ners has absolutely no standing to disagree. After all, Dickey was a former high school AND college AND professional basketball player and therefore unquestionably is a superior observer.
Case closed!
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Clarification: I don't "befriend" them - I appreciate, value, and share the opinions of guys who are far more involved and experienced in the game than vast majority of armchair idiots (like you Reinko) posting in this thread. And just as many of the guys here that share similar opinions (that I disagree with) tend to "befriend" each other, the same occurs for me as a result of sharing similar opinions.
Yet we have members of the band, guys who were Star Wars nerds, and every thing else under the sun other than playing basketball discrediting the above posters. Talk about arrogant.
Sorry, I usually don't stoop to this but I can't resist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCPKLcM_O2Q
And I wasn't a star wars nerd. I am a star wars nerd. ;D
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Sorry, I usually don't stoop to this but I can't resist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCPKLcM_O2Q
And I wasn't a star wars nerd. I am a star wars nerd. ;D
Nothing wrong with being a Star Wars Nerd, especially the original trilogy. So many characters to nerd out on. Still joyously put up out Bobba Fett ornament on the tree every Christmas--usually near my Bogie and Ilsa ornaments from Casablanca. Wish I still had my son's Admiral Akbar figure.
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Have any of you guys ever worked for a large firm and some idiot sent off an email to say 500, 5,000 or 50,000 people by accident. And then the you start getting the replies from geniouses all over saying 'I shouldn't be included and please take me off this list'. And then more people reply to those emails saying 'I agree, take me off too'. And then you start getting the real smart ones jumping in and reply all yelling for everyone to stop replying to all. And this goes on and on with hundreds of emails clogging your inbox until IT figures out how to shut er down.
And you sit back and say why could'nt we just fire every single person who replied to this email?
That's what this thread is like. (And now i've joined it :-\ )
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Dickey Simpkins is a horrible announcer, and I believe his Derrick love is way over the top.
But yes, let's look at the facts:
Dickey played four years in high school at a very high level. He then started for most of his four seasons at a Big East school and was good enough to be a first-round NBA draft pick. He then played six pro seasons, including three years for a championship team. And his knowledge impressed executives at both ESPN and Fox to employ him as an announcer for multiple seasons.
So ...
If I accept that Ners is right about a former high school player being a more qualified observer than a non-player ... it stands to reason that a six-year pro who excelled in college and high school absolutely must be a far more qualified observer than a former high school player. That's Logic 101.
Ipso fatso, Derrick Wilson is the heart and soul of this Marquette team, an outstanding point guard, a heady floor leader, and all of the other compliments Dickey throws at him.
I happen to disagree with those assessments, but Ners has absolutely no standing to disagree. After all, Dickey was a former high school AND college AND professional basketball player and therefore unquestionably is a superior observer.
Case closed!
This logic has been used before on him, but he is impervious to logic. Just like his ability upthread to first dismiss a set of statistics and then also use those very same statistics to "prove" his point in the very same post, he can simultaneously hold his opinion as superior to others because he played high school basketball while dismissing the judgment of high D1, professional, and NBA players.
And then he wonders why he is laughed at.
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Sorry, I usually don't stoop to this but I can't resist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCPKLcM_O2Q
And I wasn't a star wars nerd. I am a star wars nerd. ;D
Your response beats my breakfast club reference, nice one.
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Have any of you guys ever worked for a large firm and some idiot sent off an email to say 500, 5,000 or 50,000 people by accident. And then the you start getting the replies from geniouses all over saying 'I shouldn't be included and please take me off this list'. And then more people reply to those emails saying 'I agree, take me off too'. And then you start getting the real smart ones jumping in and reply all yelling for everyone to stop replying to all. And this goes on and on with hundreds of emails clogging your inbox until IT figures out how to shut er down.
And you sit back and say why could'nt we just fire every single person who replied to this email?
That's what this thread is like. (And now i've joined it :-\ )
+1
Wait, now I've joined it
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Without a doubt the best part of the thread!
Thanks! Happy to be a part of it. Tip of the cap to you Haywards!
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1. Joe Maddon has made a WS though. And he does it with literally no payroll. The guy is the anti Gardy in that players come to Maddon and do far better than before...like a James Loney.
2. I wasn't saying our pitching staffs the last couple years, the Twins have been awful for 4 years now. I meant the playoff pitching staffs were all serviceable. Much like the O's of this year.
3. Gardy didn't like Hardy and the issue was giving up on him and O Dog(he was going to be gone) and losing our middle infield continuity again. It also made the Santana and Gomez trades now null.
4. It was just an example of Gardy not really having clue. He's too paint by numbers. Lefty pitching? He must face the lefty. Right? Must be righty. There is no depth to his thinking and actually knowing the match ups
5. Again, this is an outsiders view. You won't find a Twins fan who likes Ryan. He is literally reffered to as Curly Ryan. This guy is clueless as they come. His only good trade ever? Liriano, Nathan and Bonser for Pierzynski. I'll let you guess which one of those 3 he thought was the "prize". The Pohlads are loaded. They don't like to spend, this team should have a bigger pay roll. But when they do...Ryan goes out and gets JUNK. And Gardy didn't win or make any of these guys better. In 2011 the payroll was like 110 mil. Scared them out of spending. Now they are spending again but doing it on Mike Pelfrey(6 mil a year??) 48 mil for Nolasco? Now even though he deserved a raise now they just threw the house at Hughes(he better not regress). See, throwing 20 mil a year at Lester may be a ton, but it has value. 12 mil a year for Nolasco is still a lot...with no value.
It's a concept management doesn't get. Hopefully Molitor has his way, tells Ryan to get the kids up here and lets them play. Because talent is everywhere if Terry just gets the right pitching.
While the Rays got to the WS with a low payroll, they had some massive talent on that team, none of it had reached free agency yet. They had what a dozen years of top 5 picks? Carl Crawford in his prime, Evan Longoria, BJ Upton (before he forgot how to play). Their rotation featured James Shields, Matt Garza, Scott Kazmir, and some kid named Price coming out an otherwise very veteran pen.
I think it says alot that the Twins made the playoffs so much with a staff that was serviceable. Look at those other central teams you mentioned, the Tigers have dominant starting pitching. That 2005 White Sox staff was best in the AL, the Royals this year had excellent pitching, especially in their pen.
I also find it kind of funny that you disparage Terry Ryan, and pin your hopes on the young guys he has been in charge of drafting.
You are definitely right on Pohald though, one of the worst owners in baseball in my opinion.
Nolasco though, that guy made some serious money off one good season.
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Geez, now we are on the Rays baseball team. Let's talk more about Kate Upton.
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Anyone else find the interleaved baseball conversation in this thread highly amusing?
Yes.
And, it provides a great lesson that is related to the "other" issue being addressed in this thread. With all due respect to buckchuckler and HaywardsHeroes32, I have absolutely no interest in their baseball discussion. In fact, I was honestly only vaguely aware of what was being discussed. I just recognized that it was off topic (and was amused by the fact that it was presumably being done intentionally and for effect). The lesson, of course: if you're not interested in a post, skip it. It's not rocket science.
Bravo to buckchuckler and HaywardsHeroes32.
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While the Rays got to the WS with a low payroll, they had some massive talent on that team, none of it had reached free agency yet. They had what a dozen years of top 5 picks? Carl Crawford in his prime, Evan Longoria, BJ Upton (before he forgot how to play). Their rotation featured James Shields, Matt Garza, Scott Kazmir, and some kid named Price coming out an otherwise very veteran pen.
I think it says alot that the Twins made the playoffs so much with a staff that was serviceable. Look at those other central teams you mentioned, the Tigers have dominant starting pitching. That 2005 White Sox staff was best in the AL, the Royals this year had excellent pitching, especially in their pen.
I also find it kind of funny that you disparage Terry Ryan, and pin your hopes on the young guys he has been in charge of drafting.
You are definitely right on Pohald though, one of the worst owners in baseball in my opinion.
Nolasco though, that guy made some serious money off one good season.
The Tigers in 2006 didn't have that great of starting pitching. Verlander ws great rookie but he also was bad in the playoffs before the last couple years. Scherzer was never very good either. The Tigers just knew how to grind out games. If you actually look at a lot of the Twins losses to the Yanks in the playoffs...it wasn't even pitching that did them in(at least until late). So a lot is on the players obviously..no denying it. But players continually came and went but Gardy was always there...so obviously something just doesn't click.
It's also about more the Gardy treats certain players usually more talented ones. He throws them under the bus and talks up the Puntos of the world(the same guy who single handedly ran us out of the yanks series in 09). They also give short leash to the young guys but "ride" out aging vets. Why let Mike Pelfrey keep getting smoked around? Arcia has been dicked around for 2 years. His K rates and majors average are bad but through a full season AB's hes 35 homers 100 RBI. Let the kid play!! Hes too good for the minors. He was our second leading average guy in 2013 behind MAUER. Had a rough 0-18 with 12 Ks stretch in 4 games(awful no doubt) only Morneau passed him average. He was sent to the minors for over a month...WTF????
I disparage Ryan because he doesn't know how to build a team. He fails trades, he fails free Agent signings. Sorry I can't give him props for getting can't miss guys like Buxton, Gordon and Stewart. Or winning phenom Sano's rights. Arcia, Vargas etc.. All these guys have been known studs. Its the one pro to sucking a lot fall in your lap. I hate the "wait for the time clock" for extra years on these guys. You want them all to be 27 year old rookies? Danny Santana is a short stop...don't play him in center field.
He likes to go out and get "average" NL pitchers and think that they can pitch in the AL. Sorry but a 4.30 ERA isn't good as is...bring it to the AL? Corriea, Pelfrey, Nolasco...Ramon Ortiz, Ponson(remember these)?.
Too often Gardy would play guys like Clete Thomas and other journeymen. Why play a crap 30 year old no other team wants rather than let your 23-25 year old studs get PT? All indications are Molitor does not share that same view. Its why most are really excited about how fun 2016 could be.
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Yes.
And, it provides a great lesson that is related to the "other" issue being addressed in this thread. With all due respect to buckchuckler and HaywardsHeroes32, I have absolutely no interest in their baseball discussion. In fact, I was honestly only vaguely aware of what was being discussed. I just recognized that it was off topic (and was amused by the fact that it was presumably being done intentionally and for effect). The lesson, of course: if you're not interested in a post, skip it. It's not rocket science.
Bravo to buckchuckler and HaywardsHeroes32.
Yup lol as soon as buck responded to my first little Gardy comment. I figured it's all good to actually roll with it. This thread has no relevance to MU bball as it is.
I love seeing outsiders views on the Gardy/Ryan and how they appear compared to people who watch their every move.
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Clarification: I don't "befriend" them - I appreciate, value, and share the opinions of guys who are far more involved and experienced in the game than vast majority of armchair idiots (like you Reinko) posting in this thread. And just as many of the guys here that share similar opinions (that I disagree with) tend to "befriend" each other, the same occurs for me as a result of sharing similar opinions.
Yet we have members of the band, guys who were Star Wars nerds, and every thing else under the sun other than playing basketball discrediting the above posters. Talk about arrogant.
I'm curious.....are you more, less or equally insufferable in person as you are here? I'm sorry but playing in high school and dunking in pick-up games at the rec center doesn't necessarily make your OPINIONS any more valid than a huge hoops fan that happens to also be a Stars Wars nerd who didn't play high school ball. Maybe you're a good dude but perception is reality and more often than not you come off as either a giant douche or a turd sandwich, although I'm still undecided on which is more accurate.
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