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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on January 24, 2015, 04:04:54 PM
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1. It wasn't dull.
2. Can't fault the effort or the offensive execution.
3. Georgetown practiced their zone offense.
4. Duane was huge.
5. So was Carlino.
6. Contributions from lots of places. Not so much from Steve or Juan.
7. Good free throw shooting is contagious.
8. In the end..... just not enough.
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Our backcourt outplayed theirs. Great games by Matt and Duane, solid game by Derrick.
Our frontcourt got manhandled.
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Proud of the effort. Carlino can't try to do it all at the end of close games. Forced too many lay ups.
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I told my wife this morning I had another dose of pain coming at 2:30. Can't bitch about the effort, though. Bridge year, as Theo would say.
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We have two high major players plus Luke and Sandy as a hope for the future. Good coaching and a lot of guts from our guys. No help from the refs and not much more to say.
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Our backcourt outplayed theirs. Great games by Matt and Duane, solid game by Derrick.
Our frontcourt got manhandled.
Literally. Josh Smith committed a foul at one end of the floor every other possession.
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It is tough to win when the opponent shoots 88% from the FT line and shoots 32 FTs.
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Same old,same old. STj Non-factor. Anderson shooting clunkers. How many times will they play this hard and lose.
Its obvious talent is lacking.
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It is tough to win when the opponent shoots 88% from the FT line and shoots 32 FTs.
In your gym.
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Is there really no better/alternate view for Carlino's shot in an NBA arena? They found an aerial replay for Duane's 3, but couldn't use it for Carlino's?
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Literally. Josh Smith committed a foul at one end of the floor every other possession.
I think that is what is most frustrating about the loss. They let him get away with everything. Its like they just decided, well he's big he can do what he wants.
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Is there really no better/alternate view for Carlino's shot in an NBA arena? They found an aerial replay for Duane's 3, but couldn't use it for Carlino's?
I said the same thing
How about their "travel" when the hit the shot to end the first half. Dickie said- that was not a travel coach wojo. Anyone see that? He stutter stepped
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Marquette does not play smart.
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Best game we've played this year. Sad it had to end the way it did. Couple tough calls went the other way.
Wojo made a HUGE mistake benching Duane for the 4 minutes from 8 minute to 4 minute mark.
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Literally. Josh Smith committed a foul at one end of the floor every other possession.
The refs let Rivera get away with a ton of fouls too.
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Marquette does not play smart.
Smart enough to force a hot Georgetown team into overtime
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Fischer 7 points 4 rebounds 5 blocks
Josh Smith 18 points 14 rebounds.
MU needs a 6ft 10 240 lbs guy that can board, oh wait Henry maybe......
Georgetown 28 for 32 from free throw line, including 56% Hopkins who was 11 for 12. Ballgame there.
Du Wilson will be very, very dangerous over the next few years.
Bradley Cooper gained 40 pounds for his American Sniper role, Fischer needs to call his trainer. He has been manhandled in BE play by Stainbrook, Opbekpa, Smith,.... His 5 blocks were great, but otherwise his BE play will improve over the next year.
Juan is Juan, Derrick is Derrick, play hard with determination but just coming up short.
Steve will definitely be on bench next year behind the Ellensons.
The kids need to win one of these close ones before it really gets in their head. Best game this year, but just not enough.
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Is there really no better/alternate view for Carlino's shot in an NBA arena? They found an aerial replay for Duane's 3, but couldn't use it for Carlino's?
It was the right call...but by the slimmest of margins. If they had called it a three on the floor, I don't think they would have overturned it. I was hoping that they would give it to us because the replay clearly showed DSR fouling Carlino. Kind of like a Cowboys-Lions type situation
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Proud of the effort. Carlino can't try to do it all at the end of close games. Forced too many lay ups.
Those little floaters by Duane and Matt in OT were good shots. They just didn't go in. Defense in the first half was as bad as it has been all year, but JTIII deserves some credit for that. They were well prepared to face the zone.
Fun game. Obviously have some work to do, but you can see the future is bright.
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Learned one thing today, Duane Wilson is a a shooting guard, not a point. Derrick and Juan are just below average major players, they did score a few more today but still hard to play this way and
win, great effort, to bad Carlino's foot was on the line.
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Derrick needed to run the point in overtime. Having Carlino as the primary ball handler was a mistake in that situation.
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Literally. Josh Smith committed a foul at one end of the floor every other possession.
Now you know how our opponents felt the last 4 years with Davante. Hard to officiate a guy who is so much more physical and strong than everyone else. Felt there was only one questionable call that didn't go our way with Smith - and that was when he did drop his shoulder into Luke's chest and drop him to the floor in a non-flop.
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Those little floaters by Duane and Matt in OT were good shots. They just didn't go in. Defense in the first half was as bad as it has been all year, but JTIII deserves some credit for that. They were well prepared to face the zone.
Fun game. Obviously have some work to do, but you can see the future is bright.
Not sure about the future, no point next year?
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Fischer 7 points 4 rebounds 5 blocks
Josh Smith 18 points 14 rebounds.
MU needs a 6ft 10 240 lbs guy that can board, oh wait Henry maybe......
Georgetown 28 for 32 from free throw line, including 56% Hopkins who was 11 for 12. Ballgame there.
Du Wilson will be very, very dangerous over the next few years.
Bradley Cooper gained 40 pounds for his American Sniper role, Fischer needs to call his trainer. He has been manhandled in BE play by Stainbrook, Opbekpa, Smith,.... His 5 blocks were great, but otherwise his BE play will improve over the next year.
Juan is Juan, Derrick is Derrick, play hard with determination but just coming up short.
Steve will definitely be on bench next year behind the Ellensons.
The kids need to win one of these close ones before it really gets in their head. Best game this year, but just not enough.
I know that trainer goes by the name H.G.H Steroids.
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Marquette does not play smart.
Yeah they turn the ball over too much. It has been a problem all year.
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No you know how our opponents felt the last 4 years with Davante. Hard to officiate a guy who is so much more physical and strong than everyone else. Felt there was only one questionable call that didn't go our way with Smith - and that was when he did drop his shoulder into Luke's chest and drop him to the floor in a non-flop.
Definitely agree. That was the only one I was truly upset about. The others I thought were good non-calls. Some of the fouls Smith drew I questioned however
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In general, the officiating in the Big East is poor and inconsistent. These 3 today were exceptionally poor.
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No you know how our opponents felt the last 4 years with Davante. Hard to officiate a guy who is so much more physical and strong than everyone else. Felt there was only one questionable call that didn't go our way with Smith - and that was when he did drop his shoulder into Luke's chest and drop him to the floor in a non-flop.
Agree, to a point. I never felt like Davante fouled on the D end so blatantly. Also, getting into position against smaller guys (Carlino when we were 1-3-1), Smith was throwing his arms around like crazy.
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No you know how our opponents felt the last 4 years with Davante. Hard to officiate a guy who is so much more physical and strong than everyone else. Felt there was only one questionable call that didn't go our way with Smith - and that was when he did drop his shoulder into Luke's chest and drop him to the floor in a non-flop.
Seriously, how about the most blatant one, where Carlino was driving to the hoop and Smith just ran into him and knocked him over causing a TO. He never set his feet and during contact kept leaning into him. Blatant foul on Smith.
Or when Carlino was guarding him and he first pushed him to the ground. Then when he got up almost knocked him down twice more swinging his arms into him.
Or the reach and push at the end on Carlino when he was hedging a screen (they actually always called that against Gardner).
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Luke has some talent, but needs to be more decisive when he gets the ball in the paint. I remember hearing he had a good 15-foot shot with 3-point potential. I don't recall him shooting a jumper this season. May help him get better looks inside.
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What was absolutely remarkable about Hopkins 11-12 effort was that he's a 54 percent FT shooter who went 0 for 6 from the line in a game just two weeks ago, which isn't easy to do.
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What was absolutely remarkable about Hopkins 11-12 effort was that he's a 54 percent FT shooter who went 0 for 6 from the line in a game just two weeks ago, which isn't easy to do.
Quite amazing, great job by the young man. His shot at the FT line looked very comfortable.
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Love Marquette basketball. This is a transition year and so my expectations are not high. We play hard and are very fun to watch. In fact we are much more exciting than the rodents who win but are boring to watch.
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Best game MU played this year. It was nice to see well executed basketball for a change.
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Luke has some talent, but needs to be more decisive when he gets the ball in the paint. I remember hearing he had a good 15-foot shot with 3-point potential. I don't recall him shooting a jumper this season. May help him get better looks inside.
I agre, would like to see Wojo use Luke in different places on the court, totally back to the basket right now. He shoots free throws nicely so I can see him taking a few jumpers. It one in first game, since then not sure he has. His moves right now are to mechanical.
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Best game MU played this year. It was nice to see well executed basketball for a change.
Be far, and most entertaining of the year, Derrick's dunk, maybe his first of his career, and Carlinos' crazy behind the head shot, plus Duane going off.
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Best game MU played this year. It was nice to see well executed basketball for a change.
Agreed. Also nice to see Duane continue to break out of his Freshman slump. He hit the wall for a few games and his shot wouldn't fall....its falling again.
Great game from the Freshman.
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Bradley Cooper gained 40 pounds for his American Sniper role, Fischer needs to call his trainer. He has been manhandled in BE play by Stainbrook, Opbekpa, Smith,.... His 5 blocks were great, but otherwise his BE play will improve over the next year.
You just named 3 of the best big men in the country, let alone the Big East - and they all have other bigs on their teams too.
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Marquette does not play smart.
you don't post smart, tool.
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13-25 from three, with Carlino, Duane, and Sandy 13-19. I know it's not Wojo's philosophy to give red lights if someone is open, but I could do without the usual bricking by Juan, STJ, and JJJ. Let the real shooters chuck and get those three on the offensive glass, where we were extra poor today.
In general, the officiating in the Big East is poor and inconsistent. These 3 today were exceptionally poor.
It was bad enough that I wished for Jim Burr today.
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7. Good free throw shooting is contagious.
GT shot 88% -- MU shot 70%
I stated a month ago that FT shooting would cost us. This won't be the last time.
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Sandy can play
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GT shot 88% -- MU shot 70%
I stated a month ago that FT shooting would cost us. This won't be the last time.
Our two best FT shooters both missed the front end of 1-and-1's, while their two poor-to-mediocre FT shooters shot 17 of 19. Game
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You just named 3 of the best big men in the country, let alone the Big East - and they all have other bigs on their teams too.
Of course, the BE is a major conference and does have excellent bigmen. Just like across the country with Ellis from Kansas, Okafor from Duke, Meeks from UNC, Cauley-Stein from Kentucky, Kaminsky from Wisky. Those are just the center positions, not including the PFs they have and MU has Juan. Fischer not in that category yet, but he needs to put on some muscle, work on a short face to the basket jumper and don't rely solely on that hook shot he utilizes on a constant basis. His basketball skill set is great, but in last five BE games, I believe he has seven field goals or something to that figure. Addition of Henry will help next year.
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Of course, the BE is a major conference and does have excellent bigmen. Just like across the country with Ellis from Kansas, Okafor from Duke, Meeks from UNC, Cauley-Stein from Kentucky, Kaminsky from Wisky. Those are just the center positions, not including the PFs they have and MU has Juan. Fischer not in that category yet, but he needs to put on some muscle, work on a short face to the basket jumper and don't rely solely on that hook shot he utilizes on a constant basis. His basketball skill set is great, but in last five BE games, I believe he has seven field goals or something to that figure. Addition of Henry will help next year.
Luke has been getting abused in the BE.
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In general, the officiating in the Big East is poor and inconsistent. These 3 today were exceptionally poor.
Ed Corbett is a piece of sh*t.
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Now you know how our opponents felt the last 4 years with Davante. Hard to officiate a guy who is so much more physical and strong than everyone else. Felt there was only one questionable call that didn't go our way with Smith - and that was when he did drop his shoulder into Luke's chest and drop him to the floor in a non-flop.
Pretty sure that Davante standing next to Smith, Davante would look like a Munchkin.
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Best game we've played this year. Sad it had to end the way it did. Couple tough calls went the other way.
Wojo made a HUGE mistake benching Duane for the 4 minutes from 8 minute to 4 minute mark.
Wojo has done that the last 4 games.
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GT shot 88% -- MU shot 70%
I stated a month ago that FT shooting would cost us. This won't be the last time.
We need to practice our......oh, wait.
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Marquette does not play smart.
Typical remark from a Vadger... He never comes around unless MU loses... Tongue
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Ed Corbett is a piece of sh*t.
second that
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In general, the officiating in the Big East is poor and inconsistent. These 3 today were exceptionally poor.
College basketball refereeing is bad in general. Unfortunately the way the system has evolved encourages referees to do a large number of games which I think has a great deal to do with the lack of quality.
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Well the good news is I think we can win the next 15.
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Team did pretty well today, even though came up short. Really good shooting.
Juan should not shoot the ball unless it is a layup.
Fischer must give up 60+pounds to that elephant Smith.
Live by the Carlino, die by the Carlino. The guy has to learn when to quit gunning when the shot is not there.
Killed by FT's.
Looks like we have 2 scorers and bunch of role players. Must get some scoring from somewhere else. And if we are not raining 3's, where will it come from.
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Looks like we have 2 scorers and bunch of role players. Must get some scoring from somewhere else. And if we are not raining 3's, where will it come from.
It would be so helpful if one of our wings could shoot even a mid range shot. Probably going to have to wait until next year.
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I was satisfied with the way the team played today. I felt we won the game on the last second shot but obviously the refs didn't .
I think this is a preview of our Big East tourney. We need Carlino and Duane to be hot at the same time. Everyone else has to play their roles . Hopefully Juan gets on a hot streak.
I think when JJJ is fully rehabbed we will be able to break through and win these pclose ones . The coach has him on a tight leash and focused. We need his scoring threat.
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It would be so helpful if one of our wings could shoot even a mid range shot. Probably going to have to wait until next year.
I agree. I had thought, early in the year, that Juan was going to have an outside shot this year. Clearly that was wrong. There are so many times, when the guards drive, that a kick out is wide open for Juan, but they don't look there, because he either won't shoot it or will miss.
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Well the good news is I think we can win the next 15.
Maybe....if we play every game like today, minus the last 2 minutes. Then we might come close.
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Best game we've played this year. Sad it had to end the way it did. Couple tough calls went the other way.
Wojo made a HUGE mistake benching Duane for the 4 minutes from 8 minute to 4 minute mark.
He took both of the Wilsons out together and our offense stagnated. Carlino was the only ball-handler and he was doubled every time down. That stretch with neither Derrick nor Duane out there definitely hurt us. One more reason we need to recruit at least one more if not two point guards for next year.
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He took both of the Wilsons out together and our offense stagnated. Carlino was the only ball-handler and he was doubled every time down. That stretch with neither Derrick nor Duane out there definitely hurt us. One more reason we need to recruit at least one more if not two point guards for next year.
Went from +2 to -3 when they were out.
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My favorite coaching move from Wojo today was when he shifted to a 1-3-1 and put Carlino at the base of the defense on Smith. It made it obvious just how much Smith was pushing, shoving, and throwing guys around. Carlino got blatantly fouled twice on that possession. I think everyone in the arena could see in that one offensive sequence how badly Smith was able to abuse our guys.
Well...everyone except the three guys with whistles in their mouths.
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I'm not sure if people don't understand that teams typically don't shoot 88% from the line or what. Guess what? If every team we play shoots 88% from the line against us, chances are they're going to have a big advantage at the free throw line. If Georgetown shoots 88% from the line on the season they would lead the country from the line...by about 10%. Unfortunately for us, they were hot from the line. Nothing Marquette can do about it. 70% from the line, while not outstanding, is not as brutal as some here think it is. Does it look bad because it's 18% worse than our opponent? I guess, but 88% is absurd. Props to them.
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He took both of the Wilsons out together and our offense stagnated. Carlino was the only ball-handler and he was doubled every time down. That stretch with neither Derrick nor Duane out there definitely hurt us. One more reason we need to recruit at least one more if not two point guards for next year.
I'm just curious what Wojo's rationale was for taking Duane out for 4 minutes at that stretch of the game..a critical 4 minute stretch...when Duane absolutely had it rolling. Duane only played 32 in an overtime game, in which he played all 5 of the OT. Fatal mistake in this game in my opinion.
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Ners, please explain this to me. In one comment you seem to criticize the team for underachieving last year, pointing out that there were 3 NBAD League players on the roster. Very fair point. But then you say (for the 1,000th time) that it wasn't going to get any worse. This is what I don't understand. Take those three players away. Who replaced them? A redshirt freshman with zero college basketball experience (Duane) a transfer who is coming off an injury and hadn't played competitive basketball in over a year (Luke) and a graduate transfer who will likely never get a sniff in the NBAD League. How you can compare the rosters from last year to this and say things couldn't get worse is a mystery to me.
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He took both of the Wilsons out together and our offense stagnated. Carlino was the only ball-handler and he was doubled every time down. That stretch with neither Derrick nor Duane out there definitely hurt us. One more reason we need to recruit at least one more if not two point guards for next year.
Sorry Brew, but at the eight minute mark Derrick came in for Duane. Duane sat for next four minutes, believed he replaced Sandy and then joined Derrick on the court for final four minutes.
But, you are right re: next year. Someone is needed to break the press, get the ball inside and be an outside shooter. It is the press breaker that will be the key.
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Is there really no better/alternate view for Carlino's shot in an NBA arena? They found an aerial replay for Duane's 3, but couldn't use it for Carlino's?
That was my thought. The angle they had was from slightly above so you can't tell if his foot was on the line because the shoe blots out the line. The only way to tell is top down.
Oh well, good effort.....if only we played "smarter" like the Badgers did against Georgetown, we would have won by 3....eh Jakeec?
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Always amusing to watch a game think the refs called plenty of BS on your team and got away with fouls all game and then read the opponents board and read that they thought the same thing happened to their team. guess we all see the game through our own biases.
Marquette shot out of their mind from 3 and almost stole this game. Luckily we shot out of our minds from the FT line to counter act that.
Bradley is a tough place to play. Only our second win there.
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Sorry Brew, but at the eight minute mark Derrick came in for Duane. Duane sat for next four minutes, believed he replaced Sandy and then joined Derrick on the court for final four minutes.
But, you are right re: next year. Someone is needed to break the press, get the ball inside and be an outside shooter. It is the press breaker that will be the key.
Not sure about the time, but there was a stretch where Carlino was the only PG out there. Derrick and Duane were next to each other on the bench. And Carlino was blanketed by two defenders for the entire stretch. Killed our offense because he couldn't get free and there was no one else to distribute. Whatever the minutes were when that happened, it definitely happened and it sucked the life out of our offense.
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Always amusing to watch a game think the refs called plenty of BS on your team and got away with fouls all game and then read the opponents board and read that they thought the same thing happened to their team. guess we all see the game through our own biases.
Marquette shot out of their mind from 3 and almost stole this game. Luckily we shot out of our minds from the FT line to counter act that.
Bradley is a tough place to play. Only our second win there.
Everyone does. At least four travels missed, one of which was bailed out by the refs granting a timeout, and you guys got to the line 32 times to our 20 in our gym. As both teams were attacking, that should never, ever happen. Foul count was close, but what was called and when just brutalized us. Not sure which was the worst, but the runner at the first half buzzer was absolutely atrocious.
Though I suppose in an overtime game, every single bad call that cost points one way or the other is arguably the determining factor in the game. One thing's for sure, Josh Smith should have fouled out with about 10 minutes left in the game.
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I said the same thing
How about their "travel" when the hit the shot to end the first half. Dickie said- that was not a travel coach wojo. Anyone see that? He stutter stepped
This was absolutely a travel--I've seen it several times now.
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I agree. I had thought, early in the year, that Juan was going to have an outside shot this year. Clearly that was wrong. There are so many times, when the guards drive, that a kick out is wide open for Juan, but they don't look there, because he either won't shoot it or will miss.
Juan has never had an outside shot.
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Now you know how our opponents felt the last 4 years with Davante. Hard to officiate a guy who is so much more physical and strong than everyone else. Felt there was only one questionable call that didn't go our way with Smith - and that was when he did drop his shoulder into Luke's chest and drop him to the floor in a non-flop.
I agree, but Davante did most of his work with his rear. Smith was throwing shoulders and double arm bars at Luke and was just crushing Carlino with his arms flying around. It was really obvious.
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Everyone does. At least four travels missed, one of which was bailed out by the refs granting a timeout, and you guys got to the line 32 times to our 20 in our gym. As both teams were attacking, that should never, ever happen. Foul count was close, but what was called and when just brutalized us. Not sure which was the worst, but the runner at the first half buzzer was absolutely atrocious.
Though I suppose in an overtime game, every single bad call that cost points one way or the other is arguably the determining factor in the game. One thing's for sure, Josh Smith should have fouled out with about 10 minutes left in the game.
I disagree. He's bigger than everyone else. He shouldn't be punished for it like he is most games. He should be allowed to use his body like every other player smaller than he is. He gets fouled every time he touches the ball but refs let most of it go because he's bigger. There were tons of bad calls that went Marquette's way too. Not saying we didn't get some lucky calls, but the refs were hardly one sided in this game. They were bad both ways at times, but not nearly as bad as some of the other games we've had this season. For the most part they let the teams play. It's big east basketball.
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I disagree. He's bigger than everyone else. He shouldn't be punished for it like he is most games. He should be allowed to use his body like every other player smaller than he is. He gets fouled every time he touches the ball but refs let most of it go because he's bigger. There were tons of bad calls that went Marquette's way too. Not saying we didn't get some lucky calls, but the refs were hardly one sided in this game. They were bad both ways at times, but not nearly as bad as some of the other games we've had this season. For the most part they let the teams play. It's big east basketball.
It was pretty much even all game until that stretch near the end of the 2nd half where seemingly 4 or 5 50/50 calls went your way. That's what made people on here mad.
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I try not to blame the refs or complain about reffing because in general bad calls go both ways and they more or less even out, but this was the most one sided game I've seen called in as long as I can remember. Really poor reffing.
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I disagree. He's bigger than everyone else. He shouldn't be punished for it like he is most games. He should be allowed to use his body like every other player smaller than he is. He gets fouled every time he touches the ball but refs let most of it go because he's bigger. There were tons of bad calls that went Marquette's way too. Not saying we didn't get some lucky calls, but the refs were hardly one sided in this game. They were bad both ways at times, but not nearly as bad as some of the other games we've had this season. For the most part they let the teams play. It's big east basketball.
Don't know if you noticed, but at one point in the game he ran over Derrick so badly that he helped him up and apologized.
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Don't know if you noticed, but at one point in the game he ran over Derrick so badly that he helped him up and apologized.
That was on a foul by Duane who was hanging on his arm.
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Don't know if you noticed, but at one point in the game he ran over Derrick so badly that he helped him up and apologized.
I thought Smith got away with a lot, but that was a complete non-issue. Foul a second or two before, Smith is lowering his arms while walking and Derrick ends up under him. No intent, and both knew it.
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That was on a foul by Duane who was hanging on his arm.
No it was the one they called late on Fish. By the time they called the foul late he had ran right over Derrick while they were going for the loose ball. The announcers pointed it out.
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No it was the one they called late on Fish. By the time they called the foul late he had ran right over Derrick while they were going for the loose ball. The announcers pointed it out.
OK, but that was clearly a foul by Luke. This is always the problem with big guys. They should be allowed to move like any other player. But when they create space with their shoulders and such, it should be a foul. They undoubtedly missed some, but I don't think it was as one sides as many here are claiming.
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Once Fish fouled out we had a hard time on the ofensive side. Fischer down on the post is probably one of the most important aspects of this team.
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Once Fish fouled out we had a hard time on the ofensive side. Fischer down on the post is probably one of the most important aspects of this team.
Right, and our double teaming of Smith is was directly lead to Campbell's three, which was the beginning of the end for MU.
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OK, but that was clearly a foul by Luke. This is always the problem with big guys. They should be allowed to move like any other player. But when they create space with their shoulders and such, it should be a foul. They undoubtedly missed some, but I don't think it was as one sides as many here are claiming.
I know Luke fouled him like 5 secs before, but they didn't call the foul until they were scrambling for the loose ball. Should have called Luke's foul much earlier, they didn't. Should have been a no call by the time he ran over Derrick, but at that time is when they called the foul on Luke.
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From the looks of it you got the calls in the first half. We got more calls in the second half.
First half: Marquette 3 Fouls Georgetown 9.
Second half: Marquette 15 Fouls Georgetown 9
OT: Marquette 3 Fouls Georgetown 1
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I agree about the missed travel calls, but not on the fouls. Smith is the "Building," and guys jut bounce off of him. And Carlino was acting more than getting fouled. Dude is just too big and strong.
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I agree about the missed travel calls, but not on the fouls. Smith is the "Building," and guys jut bounce off of him. And Carlino was acting more than getting fouled. Dude is just too big and strong.
I was at the game....Smith was bouncing people..those are fouls.
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I was within a few feet of Smith's play. I watch a great deal of college basketball. He clearly travelled and fouled on numerous occasions without a call, quite abnormal. He's great player but those bunny hops are completely illegal. One he had his third foul, the refs were simply not going to call the 4th unless he punched somebody. Don't get me wrong Marquette still could have found a way to win. Neither half was called in Marquette's favor, not even close. Georgetown dodged a bullet with some help.
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MU had 3 fouls to give at the end of the first half. Juan should have grabbed the guy as he dribbled around him. Travel or no travel, brain fart by the coaches and players there.
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MU had 3 fouls to give at the end of the first half. Juan should have grabbed the guy as he dribbled around him. Travel or no travel, brain fart by the coaches and players there.
show me a
Coaching staff that says 'hey let's give fouls at the end of the first half to run out the clock.' Asinine.
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MU had 3 fouls to give at the end of the first half. Juan should have grabbed the guy as he dribbled around him. Travel or no travel, brain fart by the coaches and players there.
MU has only 3 frontline players - I don't think we'd want another foul on any of them. As it was, Luke fouled out and Juan finished with 4 fouls.
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MU has only 3 frontline players - I don't think we'd want another foul on any of them. As it was, Luke fouled out and Juan finished with 4 fouls.
He clearly should have called timeout, put the twins in and instructed them to powerslam Josh Smith just after they inbound the ball.
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During the game all I could think was Josh Smith's face is very punchable.
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During the game all I could think was Josh Smith's face is very punchable.
Really? He seemed mostly emotionless and just got down to work. Not demonstrative with the refs. When Derrick and him got tangled up he went over and apologized. I can think of players a lot much punchable than him.
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show me a
Coaching staff that says 'hey let's give fouls at the end of the first half to run out the clock.' Asinine.
It wasn't so much to run out the clock, it's the guy is running as fast as he can past half court towards the basket. I think most coaches would take a side out of bounds with 1 second left versus a guy with a head of steam from 30 feet with one second left. It's not that asinine. I do agree though that our limited number of players hurt us in that situation in terms of fouling.
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I watched the game at home and didn't log in to Scoop. I have to say, I did not come away from watching that game thinking that the officials had a big hand in the outcome one way or the other. They missed the blatant travel at the half, but otherwise, pretty evenly called. The big guy is tough to officiate because people bounce off him and contact always looks worse than it is.
Our zone is a lot less effective when the opponent makes threes and has good ball movement. Georgetown did/does both of those things.
Our two freshmen are not afraid of the moment and are going to be very, very good, especially when they get more consistent.
That was the most entertaining Marquette I can remember game since the 12-13 season. Basketball is so much more fun to watch when there is lots of scoring. Hate to lose, but very enjoyable to watch. If you're going to lose tough games, this is the season to do it, as we're not going anywhere anyway and our younger players learned a tough lesson about the importance of shot selection/ball security in crunch time.
Finally, their crappy foul shooters made big foul shots and one of our better foul shooters missed some big ones in crunch time. That was the big difference in the end game.
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I was at the game. I thought the refs made some bad calls, but I didn't see it as overly one-sided. What I did walk away with was the sight of seeing Sandy drain a couple relatively difficult shots with the poise of a senior. Flashes reminiscent of what Novak showed back in 2003.
The kid could be big time.
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I was at the game. I thought the refs made some bad calls, but I didn't see it as overly one-sided. What I did walk away with was the sight of seeing Sandy drain a couple relatively difficult shots with the poise of a senior. Flashes reminiscent of what Novak showed back in 2003.
The kid could be big time.
Sandy's release has gotten quicker in the last two weeks.
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I was at the game. I thought the refs made some bad calls, but I didn't see it as overly one-sided. What I did walk away with was the sight of seeing Sandy drain a couple relatively difficult shots with the poise of a senior. Flashes reminiscent of what Novak showed back in 2003.
The kid could be big time.
Agree with you except his game is much more multi-dimensional than Novak right now, and will be come even more so with experience, but while he's got a nice shot, Novak's release and range are rare. We may never see a shooter like Novak again, he had a unique talent. But Sandy can handle it, shoot it, isn't afraid to drive and get in the lane, and when he get's in there, can make difficult shots - did so again yesterday. And when his feet get set, he's got a real nice shot. THen on D, his length causes problems.
Sky's the limit with him. He has everything to have an excellent MU career. Wojo already trusts him in crunch time, which says an awful lot for a true freshman.
And agree even more about yesterday's officiating. It was a difficult game to officiate, and they didn't overcall fouls, and did call them both ways. I think FT's until the end when we were trying to foul were pretty even throughout. That all said, they did royally blow the obvious travel at the end of the first half, which directly impacted the outcome.
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Sandy's release has gotten quicker in the last two weeks.
It does take him a little to wind up and release. I'm not sure I agree he's any quicker right now than he was, but with his height and length, he'll be able to get away with it at the college level regardless because his release point is way up there. And it probably will get quicker as he gains experience and repetition in practice.
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From the looks of it you got the calls in the first half. We got more calls in the second half.
First half: Marquette 3 Fouls Georgetown 9.
Second half: Marquette 15 Fouls Georgetown 9
OT: Marquette 3 Fouls Georgetown 1
I'm sorry I can't let this one pass because this is simply a dumb way of looking at "who is getting the calls". MU plays a zone that is designed to limit fouls. GT plays a much more aggressive defense because they have the bodies to do it. Just counting up fouls tell you absolutely nothing.
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I watched on television, and a lot of the fouls that the crowd got on the refs about, were clearly fouls when you saw them on replay. Did they miss some? Sure. But I think they let a lot go which gave Georgetown an advantage given their size.
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I watched on television, and a lot of the fouls that the crowd got on the refs about, were clearly fouls when you saw them on replay. Did they miss some? Sure. But I think they let a lot go which gave Georgetown an advantage given their size.
Agreed. It was the no-calls on our drives to the hoop that bothered me the most.
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Great effort. Great Big East game. Excellent Coaching. How the Hoyas are not rated is a joke, but the frosh are as talented a bunch as there is. I hope Peak is okay. Duane and Matt were outstanding. It has been a long time since MU has had a 1-2 scoring performance like that.
Worst officiated game of the season. If playing defense with the hands is a point of emphasis, this crew did not get the memo. The lack of travel at the end of the first was Jim Burr-Tim Higgins BET comical. Corbett was very unprofessional and emotional out there all game, with his bench warnings, comments to fans court side, weird overruling of the three call before the replay on the Carlino shot. Rocky needs to apply a Ners Ban to settle Corbett down.
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Agreed. It was the no-calls on our drives to the hoop that bothered me the most.
I didn't have much issue with what was called, more what wasn't. Drives with contact (especially when GT got free throws the next trip down), uncalled offensive fouls on Smith, and uncalled travels. Lots of whistle swallowing going on.
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From the looks of it you got the calls in the first half. We got more calls in the second half.
First half: Marquette 3 Fouls Georgetown 9.
Second half: Marquette 15 Fouls Georgetown 9
OT: Marquette 3 Fouls Georgetown 1
First half scoring 45-39 Hoyas. Second half: 42-36 Marquette. GTown was 13-15 at the line in the second, MU was 9-12. MU had to change their physicalness to get back in it. Gtown stayed physical in both halves and were less visible to the refs on style of play.
That said, what MU fans are objecting to is the lack of consistency of the physicality of how the game was called. Very uneven. On at least three occasions, our shooters (Cohen, Duane, Carlino) were fouled clearly on the arms with no calls. These were not 50/50 but blatant misses. Smith and Fischer's paint games were also called very inconsistently. All the MU fans are asking are for is a consistent flow from the officials, not a game where the officials are calling the game differently for each team based on their styles of play.
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Great effort. Great Big East game. Excellent Coaching. How the Hoyas are not rated is a joke, but the frosh are as talented a bunch as there is. I hope Peak is okay. Duane and Matt were outstanding. It has been a long time since MU has had a 1-2 scoring performance like that.
Worst officiated game of the season. If playing defense with the hands is a point of emphasis, this crew did not get the memo. The lack of travel at the end of the first was Jim Burr-Tim Higgins BET comical. Corbett was very unprofessional and emotional out there all game, with his bench warnings, comments to fans court side, weird overruling of the three call before the replay on the Carlino shot. Rocky needs to apply a Ners Ban to settle Corbett down.
Corbett must have had an aunt visiting. Very hostile appearance all game. Started early in the game when Wojo complained and it seemed like Corbett made a run at him. Kept glaring at the bench. Kept coming over to huddles during to's. Not implying anything. The interaction just struck me as really odd.
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I'm sorry I can't let this one pass because this is simply a dumb way of looking at "who is getting the calls". MU plays a zone that is designed to limit fouls. GT plays a much more aggressive defense because they have the bodies to do it. Just counting up fouls tell you absolutely nothing.
Well Georgetown was driving to the hoop more and shooting layups through traffic and posting up, while Marquette shot mostly jump shots. The way the game was played there's no way to excuse Marquette having so little fouls in the first half. Saying you're in zone so aren't fouling is an even dumber way to look at it.
We all saw what we wanted to see. Hoya fans saw our guys get hacked with out call and felt we got called for touch fouls on the other end. Carlino pushes off every single time. Marquette set numerous moving screens to free up shooters. Every time we breathed on Carlino he got the call. Carlino shoved one of our players and our guy got called for the foul. Marquette fans saw the exact opposite. No one is going to be right one this we're all blinded by our loyalty. This is the last I'll say on it because there's no way one side is going to convince the other they're right.
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Well Georgetown was driving to the hoop more and shooting layups through traffic and posting up, while Marquette shot mostly jump shots. The way the game was played there's no way to excuse Marquette having so little fouls in the first half. Saying you're in zone so aren't fouling is an even dumber way to look at it.
We all saw what we wanted to see. Hoya fans saw our guys get hacked with out call and felt we got called for touch fouls on the other end. Carlino pushes off every single time. Marquette set numerous moving screens to free up shooters. Every time we breathed on Carlino he got the call. Carlino shoved one of our players and our guy got called for the foul. Marquette fans saw the exact opposite. No one is going to be right one this we're all blinded by our loyalty. This is the last I'll say on it because there's no way one side is going to convince the other they're right.
Georgetown had 5 more 2 point field goal attempts than Marquette did. Doesn't exactly fit the narrative of Georgetown going into traffic while Marquette only chucked from beyond the 3 point line.
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I'm just curious what Wojo's rationale was for taking Duane out for 4 minutes at that stretch of the game..a critical 4 minute stretch...when Duane absolutely had it rolling. Duane only played 32 in an overtime game, in which he played all 5 of the OT. Fatal mistake in this game in my opinion.
I agree with this.
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It does take him a little to wind up and release. I'm not sure I agree he's any quicker right now than he was, but with his height and length, he'll be able to get away with it at the college level regardless because his release point is way up there. And it probably will get quicker as he gains experience and repetition in practice.
I do not think his release has gotten quicker. I think he has gotten more confident in taking the shot.
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Well Georgetown was driving to the hoop more and shooting layups through traffic and posting up, while Marquette shot mostly jump shots. The way the game was played there's no way to excuse Marquette having so little fouls in the first half. Saying you're in zone so aren't fouling is an even dumber way to look at it.
We all saw what we wanted to see. Hoya fans saw our guys get hacked with out call and felt we got called for touch fouls on the other end. Carlino pushes off every single time. Marquette set numerous moving screens to free up shooters. Every time we breathed on Carlino he got the call. Carlino shoved one of our players and our guy got called for the foul. Marquette fans saw the exact opposite. No one is going to be right one this we're all blinded by our loyalty. This is the last I'll say on it because there's no way one side is going to convince the other they're right.
Couldn't disagree with these statements more. In the first half Georgetown predominantly was shooting from outside or scoring off TOs. This was because we were in a zone and the game plan seemed to be to exploit the weakness of the zone and shoot over the top. Second, being in a zone is going to drastically decrease fouls, that is one of the purposes of using a zone.
As for the fouls. Were there some bad calls that went both ways, absolutely. In this game though, the glaring misses (Josh Smith had about 40 fouls) and more importantly the non-calls on the last two shots of regulation for MU, were really really bad. They had the biggest impact on the game, so it was an imbalanced officiated game.
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Great effort. Great Big East game. Excellent Coaching. How the Hoyas are not rated is a joke, but the frosh are as talented a bunch as there is. I hope Peak is okay. Duane and Matt were outstanding. It has been a long time since MU has had a 1-2 scoring performance like that.
Worst officiated game of the season. If playing defense with the hands is a point of emphasis, this crew did not get the memo. The lack of travel at the end of the first was Jim Burr-Tim Higgins BET comical. Corbett was very unprofessional and emotional out there all game, with his bench warnings, comments to fans court side, weird overruling of the three call before the replay on the Carlino shot. Rocky needs to apply a Ners Ban to settle Corbett down.
In the crew's defense (not they deserve one), the whole emphasis around enforcement of handsy defense is a joke. Not the emphasis itself (the NCAA does need to crack down on the handsiness), but the fact that they made it an emphasis and quickly folded under the pressure of the SEC and B12 leadership who believe basketball needs to be played more like football (any sport that doesn't feature a broken bone or at least a spray of blood once a game is a major ratings fail down south). As soon as those two conferences "de-emphasized," it spread like a virus to the other major conferences (most high-major referees don't officiate in one conference exclusively).
Win other words, we didn't get jobbed by the officials yesterday; the game itself has been jobbed by the never-ending quest for ratings.
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I never blame the refs . They are professional and attempting to be fair. Do bad calls happen ?of course they do. I just think over time they even out.
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Our two best FT shooters both missed the front end of 1-and-1's, while their two poor-to-mediocre FT shooters shot 17 of 19. Game
But if only the refs had let them make those free throws we would have won.
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I watched the game at home and didn't log in to Scoop. I have to say, I did not come away from watching that game thinking that the officials had a big hand in the outcome one way or the other. They missed the blatant travel at the half, but otherwise, pretty evenly called. The big guy is tough to officiate because people bounce off him and contact always looks worse than it is.
Our zone is a lot less effective when the opponent makes threes and has good ball movement. Georgetown did/does both of those things.
Our two freshmen are not afraid of the moment and are going to be very, very good, especially when they get more consistent.
That was the most entertaining Marquette I can remember game since the 12-13 season. Basketball is so much more fun to watch when there is lots of scoring. Hate to lose, but very enjoyable to watch. If you're going to lose tough games, this is the season to do it, as we're not going anywhere anyway and our younger players learned a tough lesson about the importance of shot selection/ball security in crunch time.
Finally, their crappy foul shooters made big foul shots and one of our better foul shooters missed some big ones in crunch time. That was the big difference in the end game.
Agree with this.
Even after watching the game from beginning to end, and being bummed about the result, I didn't know the refs were the main reason we lost until I read it on Scoop!
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It was the right call...but by the slimmest of margins. If they had called it a three on the floor, I don't think they would have overturned it. I was hoping that they would give it to us because the replay clearly showed DSR fouling Carlino. Kind of like a Cowboys-Lions type situation
I disagree about the call. I think all that viewpoint showed was that it was close enough that the tip of his shoe was between the camera and the line, not that his toe was on the line. There has to be a better vantage point to look at these things.
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College basketball is the most poorly officiated game in the country. There's zero consistency in what they call.
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I never blame the refs . They are professional and attempting to be fair. Do bad calls happen ?of course they do. I just think over time they even out.
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It can happen that at times in a game it seems as most of the 50/50 calls break the way of one team, yet the same happens at times and our team is on the other side of it. Refs call it as best as they see it. Things even out over the course of a game