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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Groin_pull on December 18, 2014, 02:41:07 PM
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....Iowa State and UCLA, according to Jeff Goodman.
Gee, there's a tough decision.
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....Iowa State and UCLA, according to Jeff Goodman.
Gee, there's a tough decision.
If he goes to ISU, UCLA was not an option.
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I believe if he goes to ISU he will have to pay his own way for the second semester. They have no available scholarships at the current time.
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I still don't get it with Burton. What is he thinking? Did we ever get any insight into why exactly he left, or is he just in search of more PT?
The whole thing is just bizarre. He clearly was struggling, but giving up a year of eligibility to move onto another school that he is going to have plenty of PT competition at seems....strange. There has to be more to the story.
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I also was thinking there "must be more to the story".
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Burton is being told he needs to be a 2 guard.
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I believe if he goes to ISU he will have to pay his own way for the second semester. They have no available scholarships at the current time.
And UCLA is loaded with 4/5 star players, SG Prince Ali coming in next year and Alford is a no nonsense coach. Who knows, maybe thats what he needs, but playing time at a SG spot there will be harder than at MU. Hope it works out for the young fella.
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I still don't get it with Burton. What is he thinking? Did we ever get any insight into why exactly he left, or is he just in search of more PT?
The whole thing is just bizarre. He clearly was struggling, but giving up a year of eligibility to move onto another school that he is going to have plenty of PT competition at seems....strange. There has to be more to the story.
I think these kids are influenced by people who don't understand the greater scheme of things. Deonte was in a position to do very well once Luke came on board, plus he would have a whole years worth of Big East games to demonstrate his value. At the very least staying through to the end of the year was a much better option for him personally. Not to mention there would have been injuries , kids ineligible for academic reasons, team rule violations etc and he would have gotten more time ..
At this point a Horizon league or Missouri Valley team would be a great option for him.
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There has to be more to the story.
These things are rarely just a case of the kid or coach making a decision. From the time these kids are in high school, there are voices in their ears telling them what to do. Sadly, too often these voices have their own best interests in mind rather than the kid they are trying to "help".
When it seems like there must be more to the story, there usually is, and it's often these kind of behind the scenes people that are pulling the strings.
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I think these kids are influenced by people who don't understand the greater scheme of things. Deonte was in a position to do very well once Luke came on board, plus he would have a whole years worth of Big East games to demonstrate his value. At the very least staying through to the end of the year was a much better option for him personally. Not to mention there would have been injuries , kids ineligible for academic reasons, team rule violations etc and he would have gotten more time ..
At this point a Horizon league or Missouri Valley team would be a great option for him.
How do you figure? He was averaging 16 minutes a game w/ Fischer ineligible.
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How do you figure? He was averaging 16 minutes a game w/ Fischer ineligible.
Fischer created space for everyone to do their thing. Deonte would have done very well in the new configuration and thus earned more minutes going forward.
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How do you figure? He was averaging 16 minutes a game w/ Fischer ineligible.
lol did you not see what JJJ and Duane were able to do in 1 game? Able to get to the rack at will. Deonte would have thrived with more size on the court.
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Burton was not playing hard. He had 6 defensive rebounds on the year. Let me repeat...SIX defensive rebounds this year. I don't think anyone is too concerned with his leaving. Play hard or get out.
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Burton was not playing hard. He had 6 defensive rebounds on the year. Let me repeat...SIX defensive rebounds this year. I don't think anyone is too concerned with his leaving. Play hard or get out.
The guy's mother died. I want to see this team win and I think minutes should reward production, but telling a guy who's carrying that burden to in essence f--k off may be one of the most despicable things I've seen on this board.
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Is it too late for Deonte to change his mind and return to the team/school? Did he take his exams?
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....Iowa State and UCLA, according to Jeff Goodman.
Gee, there's a tough decision.
Is that a "Kendrick Nunn UCLA offer" (Nunn kept putting off his decision hoping/begging/pleading for a UCLA offer that was never in the cards. Now he is at Illinois)
Is this a "Kevon Looney UCLA offer" (Looney actual got an offer, took it, and is playing for them).
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Is it too late for Deonte to change his mind and return to the team/school? Did he take his exams?
If he wanted to keep in good academic standing for his next school he should have taken them.
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Is it too late for Deonte to change his mind and return to the team/school? Did he take his exams?
NCAA wise, I'm sure he can change his mind.
Wojo wise, I'm skeptical that that window remains open although his mother's death may factor into allowing him some slack.
The big question is there any reason or indication that Deonte might go that way? None that I've seen or heard. Having Iowa State and UCLA talking to him would seem to indicate to Deonte that he would be better appreciated elsewhere.
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Fischer created space for everyone to do their thing. Deonte would have done very well in the new configuration and thus earned more minutes going forward.
Deonte practiced with Fischer for the last year. He knew what Fischer was going to add to the team.
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Is that a "Kendrick Nunn UCLA offer" (Nunn kept putting off his decision hoping/begging/pleading for a UCLA offer that was never in the cards. Now he is at Illinois)
Is this a "Kevon Looney UCLA offer" (Looney actual got an offer, took it, and is playing for them).
Could be wishful thinking on Burton's part. Not sure why UCLA would be interested in him. Just passing along what Goodman tweeted.
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He gown.
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The guy's mother died. I want to see this team win and I think minutes should reward production, but telling a guy who's carrying that burden to in essence f--k off may be one of the most despicable things I've seen on this board.
Couldn't agree more. I couldn't imagine how awful that would be. The guy got a pass for the whole year in my mind.
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Burton is being told he needs to be a 2 guard.
The same guy who told McKay he shouldn't redshirt, by chance?
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I think these kids are influenced by people who don't understand the greater scheme of things. Deonte was in a position to do very well once Luke came on board, plus he would have a whole years worth of Big East games to demonstrate his value. At the very least staying through to the end of the year was a much better option for him personally. Not to mention there would have been injuries , kids ineligible for academic reasons, team rule violations etc and he would have gotten more time ..
At this point a Horizon league or Missouri Valley team would be a great option for him.
Yep. Blankson was one of those guys who listened to "friends" telling him he shouldn't settle for being option #2 behind Dwyane.
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I still don't get it with Burton. What is he thinking? Did we ever get any insight into why exactly he left, or is he just in search of more PT?
The whole thing is just bizarre. He clearly was struggling, but giving up a year of eligibility to move onto another school that he is going to have plenty of PT competition at seems....strange. There has to be more to the story.
From what has been implied here, I don't think Wojo and him were on the same page.
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One of the dangers of recruiting local kids is that they will always have people around them who may not be the best influences. We all have that friend from high school, who we knew could talk us into doing things that weren't in our best interest, but we do it anyway. We all have that relative who thinks they know what's best for us and we listen even if they don't know what they are talking about. We all have that person who helped us out a while ago and now we feel like we owe them.
When you go far away for college, you get away from those people. You get a chance to reinvent yourself. An college athlete's team essentially becomes his friends and family because his real friends and family are far away. When you stay close to home, those people are still around and are still whispering in your ear. I remember that Buzz and co were hesitant to recruit Dwight Buycks because of this issue and it was only after having some very direct conversations during his recruiting that they decided to give him the offer. I got to experience some of first hand here at TAMU when J'Mychal Reese was on the team.
Sometimes having family close to home can be a great thing for college athletes. Sometimes it can mean the wrong influential people in their lives will have to much to say about their college experience.
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Burton was not playing hard. He had 6 defensive rebounds on the year. Let me repeat...SIX defensive rebounds this year. I don't think anyone is too concerned with his leaving. Play hard or get out.
Grow up. The kid is gone. Show some class, wish him well, and move on.
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Burton is being told he needs to be a 2 guard.
No surprise on him being told to be a 2. Question is can he make the transition while focusing on team vs. individual effort. If he can, he will eventually be NBA bound. I hope he makes the right decisions, has the commitment and makes the necessary changes.
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go be a bruin Deonte. Its a hell of an area in LA
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The same guy who told McKay he shouldn't redshirt, by chance?
There are advantages and disadvantages to recruiting locally. One disadvantage is a player's family or friends can be constantly in his ear reminding him how great he is
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lol did you not see what JJJ and Duane were able to do in 1 game? Able to get to the rack at will. Deonte would have thrived with more size on the court.
I think the point was whether Burton was going to see the floor as much to take advantage of that. Without Luke, it stretched people to positions outside of their norm that opened up minutes. With Luke back, those minutes/positions contracted. For example, Steve will need to move from the 5 to the 4 in order to get max minutes.
Assuming that:
Duane: 30 Minutes
Carlino: 30 Minutes
Wilson: 20 Minutes
PG and SG are locked with no minutes available. I don't see Deonte taking Derrick's minutes as it is more likely that Carlino and Duane would get closer to 34minutes each
Fischer: 30 Minutes
Steve: 10 Minutes
The five is also locked up.
Assuming the JJJ and Juan get 30 minutes each. That leave a total of 20 minutes to split between Sandy, Burton, and sprinkle on Steve. So Deonte was going to get no more than what he was currently getting if not less. If you look at most 8 man rosters the 7 and 8 guys typically get < 16 minutes. If you assume Sandy would have been 9th guy then Deonte would have been 7 or 8 and not get much.
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go be a bruin Deonte. Its a hell of an area in LA
If he's leaving because he is not getting enough playing time, how does going to UCLA fix that? If he wants playing time and be in LA, go to USC, or maybe Long Beach State.
Also, if I can say this delicately, he was eighth in minutes on a team that was 4 and 4. (When he left). Why would a top-five team loaded with one and two and dones want him? Yes he had a great reputation and recruiting ranking coming in high school, but he hadn't backed it up in 1.5 years at MU.
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A good point was raised earlier. Perhaps it's a case of Burton wanting UCLA more than UCLA wanting Burton.
I've been to Westwood. Can't blame him for that.
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I think the point was whether Burton was going to see the floor as much to take advantage of that. Without Luke, it stretched people to positions outside of their norm that opened up minutes. With Luke back, those minutes/positions contracted. For example, Steve will need to move from the 5 to the 4 in order to get max minutes.
Assuming that:
Duane: 30 Minutes
Carlino: 30 Minutes
Wilson: 20 Minutes
PG and SG are locked with no minutes available. I don't see Deonte taking Derrick's minutes as it is more likely that Carlino and Duane would get closer to 34minutes each
Fischer: 30 Minutes
Steve: 10 Minutes
The five is also locked up.
Assuming the JJJ and Juan get 30 minutes each. That leave a total of 20 minutes to split between Sandy, Burton, and sprinkle on Steve. So Deonte was going to get no more than what he was currently getting if not less. If you look at most 8 man rosters the 7 and 8 guys typically get < 16 minutes. If you assume Sandy would have been 9th guy then Deonte would have been 7 or 8 and not get much.
I don't disagree, but this also assumes Deonte didn't start playing better.
My guess is that JJJ and Deonte would have likely had ups and downs throughout the season, and could have shared minutes @ the 3, with Deonte getting some at the #4 as well.
If Deonte was playing well, he'd have found enough minutes, imho.
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There are advantages and disadvantages to recruiting locally. One disadvantage is a player's family or friends can be constantly in his ear reminding him how great he is
Wait... I thought we were only supposed to recruit Wisconsin kids and maybe some neighboring states? We were all told repeatedly by a high-volume poster that those guys from Texas, Georgia, Virginia, and North Carolina would want to transfer out and didn't have any connection to MU
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I don't know if people have paid attention to college basketball recently, but over the past 5 seasons Iowa State has been much more competitive/successful than UCLA has been, including this season. If people think UCLA is out of the question for Burton because he's not good enough to play there, then so is ISU.
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Wait... I thought we were only supposed to recruit Wisconsin kids and maybe some neighboring states? We were all told repeatedly by a high-volume poster that those guys from Texas, Georgia, Virginia, and North Carolina would want to transfer out and didn't have any connection to MU
Yeah, Chris, Jimmy, Jae, Sheesh and DJO stayed and did OK. Maymon, Scott C., Deonte and McKay (Wisconsin), Smith and Blankson (Illinois) and Mbakwe and Amoroso (Minnesota), not so much.
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I don't know if people have paid attention to college basketball recently, but over the past 5 seasons Iowa State has been much more competitive/successful than UCLA has been, including this season. If people think UCLA is out of the question for Burton because he's not good enough to play there, then so is ISU.
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Same argument applies for Iowa State
In fact, look at the transfers over the last many years, how many of them went to a team that was ranked higher, or perceived to be better team than MU at that time? I would argue none. Right now ISU and UCLA are better than MU.
(To be clear, the day J-May transferred, MU was perceived and ranked better than Tenn. Yes, over the ensuing years he played that changed, but not the day he transferred.)
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Same argument applies for Iowa State
In fact, look at the transfers over the last many years, how many of them went to a team that was ranked higher, or perceived to be better team than MU at that time? I would argue none. Right now ISU and UCLA are better than MU.
(To be clear, the day J-May transferred, MU was perceived and ranked better than Tenn. Yes, over the ensuing years he played that changed, but not the day he transferred.)
? It changed over the ensuing years he played? The only year Tennessee has been better than us in the recent past is last year, so yes they had a better year but not his first two seasons or redshirt (injury, not transfer) year.
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go be a bruin Deonte. Its a hell of an area in LA
I would be very surprised if he ends up at UCLA.
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The same guy who told McKay he shouldn't redshirt, by chance?
They do have some acquaintances in common... ;)