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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 16, 2014, 08:23:47 PM
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Is a beast. Enough said.
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Let's relax. One game against an undersized team. He certainly helps and understands the game. Allows Wojo to play the style of game he would like to see (aggressive man defense, force turnovers, and transition, work the ball inside in the half court). But I'm not going to expect 8, 5, and 4 blocks every half, or even every game.
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Let's relax. One game against an undersized team. He certainly helps and understands the game. Allows Wojo to play the style of game he would like to see (aggressive man defense, force turnovers, and transition, work the ball inside in the half court). But I'm not going to expect 8, 5, and 4 blocks every half, or even every game.
you heard it here: no optimism/excitement about our team allowed. Verified facts only.
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He had a great first half of his first game at MU. No arguing it. I refuse to put him on the Mt. Rushmore of MU. Yet. It sure was fun, though.
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He's exactly what we need. Tonight has been gaudy, but his defensive presence has been big on every possession. Too bad Deonte left, he needed a presence like this in the paint to be truly effective.
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Better then expected, only 1/2 game but pretty excited about the future with the team next year and beyond
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Let's relax. One game against an undersized team. He certainly helps and understands the game. Allows Wojo to play the style of game he would like to see (aggressive man defense, force turnovers, and transition, work the ball inside in the half court). But I'm not going to expect 8, 5, and 4 blocks every half, or even every game.
Spot on. Lets see how he does in BE play against Ochefu, Stainbrook, Hopkins, Obepka, etc.
But, what a difference, the skill set is there and he can actually catch and shoot the ball. World of difference from last year with Otule. Great half for him.
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A five tool big?
Rim protector, rebounder, passer, post moves, pick and roll game? Enticing........
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He's exactly what we need. Tonight has been gaudy, but his defensive presence has been big on every possession. Too bad Deonte left, he needed a presence like this in the paint to be truly effective.
Yeah that's the bummer.
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Wow! Luke makes us so much better!
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He looks better than advertised. Really nice to see a big man make a jump hook. Needs to be careful with the fouls, could have had some more calls in the half. Future looks bright.
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Let's relax. One game against an undersized team. He certainly helps and understands the game. Allows Wojo to play the style of game he would like to see (aggressive man defense, force turnovers, and transition, work the ball inside in the half court). But I'm not going to expect 8, 5, and 4 blocks every half, or even every game.
I expect him to average at least 8/5, but I'll be happy with 1-2 bpg.
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Be the difference Luke. Love the hook shot!
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Let's relax. One game against an undersized team. He certainly helps and understands the game. Allows Wojo to play the style of game he would like to see (aggressive man defense, force turnovers, and transition, work the ball inside in the half court). But I'm not going to expect 8, 5, and 4 blocks every half, or even every game.
He looks fantastic. Makes everyone better
Anyone with eyes can see that, no need to qualify it.
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He looks great. I'm just saying it was 20 minutes into his Marquette career. He certainly changes the dynamics of this team, and I think that is going to be where he leaves his biggest mark this season moreso than the numbers he puts up (which, again, have been great this game). I am expecting something like 8 and 8 from him on average, but to probably have a bigger impact than what those numbers would suggest just in the fact that we haven't had anybody who can do what he does until now.
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He looks great. I'm just saying it was 20 minutes into his Marquette career. He certainly changes the dynamics of this team, and I think that is going to be where he leaves his biggest mark this season moreso than the numbers he puts up (which, again, have been great this game). I am expecting something like 8 and 8 from him on average, but to probably have a bigger impact than what those numbers would suggest just in the fact that we haven't had anybody who can do what he does until now.
Having said that, I have an anticiperection just thinking about him and Hank locking down the 4/5 next season.
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Having said that, I have an anticiperection just thinking about him and Hank locking down the 4/5 next season.
:)
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A breath of fresh air for this team, for sure. Appears to have a solid skill set and will only get better.
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He looks great. I'm just saying it was 20 minutes into his Marquette career. He certainly changes the dynamics of this team, and I think that is going to be where he leaves his biggest mark this season moreso than the numbers he puts up (which, again, have been great this game). I am expecting something like 8 and 8 from him on average, but to probably have a bigger impact than what those numbers would suggest just in the fact that we haven't had anybody who can do what he does until now.
Yeah I don't think the points are a huge concern anyways. He'll get his when its there but its on defense where it is an incredible difference. It is opening things up in transition for us. Lets Duane drive at will where he has been sensational today(converting freebies not so much lol).
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I thought he'd be a big project. He doesn't play like a sophomore. He's a game-changer. This season just got really interesting.
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Looking tired in the second half. IMO, Wojo should have run STjr in and out to give him a little rest.
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He has a high basketball IQ, great fit for Wojo's system.
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Looking tired in the second half. IMO, Wojo should have run STjr in and out to give him a little rest.
He has played a lot more already than i expected
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He looks great. I'm just saying it was 20 minutes into his Marquette career. He certainly changes the dynamics of this team, and I think that is going to be where he leaves his biggest mark this season moreso than the numbers he puts up (which, again, have been great this game). I am expecting something like 8 and 8 from him on average, but to probably have a bigger impact than what those numbers would suggest just in the fact that we haven't had anybody who can do what he does until now.
yes
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He so thoroughly changes our post defense. What I love is his mere presence can change shots. At least twice, Blakes has driven and pulled up, altering his angle rather than attacking the shot blocker. We didn't have that a week ago.
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Even the Sikma J?
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FEED THE FISCH!!!!!
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He has a high basketball IQ, great fit for Wojo's system.
Homer said the same thing at halftime. He plays smart.
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I wonder if my coworkers will think I've lost it tomorrow when I am walking around whispering to myself "it's just one game...it's just one game...it's just one game..."
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Fischer is the real deal. He's a difference maker!
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I've won money from my dad on two separate performances this week. One for Abdel NaderNader and the other for Fischer.
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He was a stud tonight. However, he did not have a block or rebound in the last 10+ minutes. I think he got tired. We have to remember ASU did not have a scouting report on him.
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Absolutely. I understand riding the hot hand, but big guys need rest. STjr and Cohen need to step up. Luke simply cannot go 30+ a night.
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Let's relax. One game against an undersized team. He certainly helps and understands the game. Allows Wojo to play the style of game he would like to see (aggressive man defense, force turnovers, and transition, work the ball inside in the half court). But I'm not going to expect 8, 5, and 4 blocks every half, or even every game.
What is undersized about ASU? Jacobson is 6'10 and their forwards are 6'8". Hardly undersized. Maybe you confused them with Marquette.
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If he can stay out of foul trouble, MU will be the surprise team of the Big East!
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Luke is a beast. Made everyone around him better.
Loved Raft starting to compare him to Butch...but then right away saying Luke does so much more!
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What is undersized about ASU? Jacobson is 6'10 and their forwards RE 6'8". Hardly undersized. Maybe you confused them with Marquette.
Jacobsen is 6'10", Atwood & Gilling are the only others over 6'6". They're bigger than we are, but still not big.
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Many have said it...Luke was much more than just the blocks, more than the rebounds, more than just the points, more that the altered shots...the BEST thing was that he made the rest of the team look good.
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When was the last time we had a guy with 5 blocks in a game? Seriously, I have no idea.
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Many have said it...Luke was much more than just the blocks, more than the rebounds, more than just the points, more that the altered shots...the BEST thing was that he made the rest of the team look good.
He changes the lineup. Without him, DW had to play 30 minutes because we needed the defense. Now with Luke covering mistakes in the middle we could go with Duane, JJJ, and Carlino on the perimeter. They all have to be guarded so Luke will have a lot of one-on-one oppurtunities down low.
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Bill Walton II
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That shoulder worries me. It maybe just that it was so heavily wrapped that it constricted his mobility, but it appeared he was favoring it, and not in a good way.
I know I read like a Debbie Downer, I just hope he stays healthy for his time at MU because what I witnessed out there on the court was a post player (5) having an impact on every aspect of the game which I haven't seen done in an MU uniform for I don't know how long. Very promising.
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Luke came from an excellent HS program, and was very well-coached. His understanding of space and positioning is so far ahead of Taylor, who is in his third year of D1 ball. He allows them to handle ball screens much better, and shut off some driving lanes. 19 points on the other end ain't bad, either.
I'll raise my hand and say I underestimated how much he'd help. I know it's one game, but things just got interesting for this team.
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Bill Walton II
Not in this universe.Not even a poor man's bill Walton.
PS - I know you were joking 8-)
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Sort of
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Reminds me of a developing Kelly Olynyk from Gonzaga. If he turns into Olynyk by his senior season we'll be really lucky.
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He changes the lineup. Without him, DW had to play 30 minutes because we needed the defense. Now with Luke covering mistakes in the middle we could go with Duane, JJJ, and Carlino on the perimeter. They all have to be guarded so Luke will have a lot of one-on-one oppurtunities down low.
What defense? We were playing zone. One guy is 6'11", the other guy is 6'1" playing way undersized at the forward position in our zone. Derrick playing less tonight had nothing to do with Luke Fischer being available.
I figured Wojo would eventually figure it out by conference play. We saw the sagging take place tonight, and it was so interesting to watch Carlino and Duane come off screens at the elbow only to have Derrick's defender standing there. LOL.
That aside. As Buzz said: Luke is manna from heaven. Highly skilled big. Great feel for the game. Good with left and right. Plays under control. Assuming a similar level of play continues - Luke is the best all around big at MU since...well...I can't even remember. Better than any of Gardner, Robert Jackson, Amal, Mac. I never saw the Al Years to know any of those guys games.
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The thing about Derrick is he does not need to be an offensive juggernaut but just a move or two to keep the defense honest. Practice a ten foot bank shot or a floating layup anything
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What defense? We were playing zone. One guy is 6'11", the other guy is 6'1" playing way undersized at the forward position in our zone. Derrick playing less tonight had nothing to do with Luke Fischer being available.
I figured Wojo would eventually figure it out by conference play. We saw the sagging take place tonight, and it was so interesting to watch Carlino and Duane come off screens at the elbow only to have Derrick's defender standing there. LOL.
That aside. As Buzz said: Luke is manna from heaven. Highly skilled big. Great feel for the game. Good with left and right. Plays under control. Assuming a similar level of play continues - Luke is the best all around big at MU since...well...I can't even remember. Better than any of Gardner, Robert Jackson, Amal, Mac. I never saw the Al Years to know any of those guys games.
Yippee! A thread about a great game by our newest eligible member of the team turns into Ners bashing Derrick! Woo hoo!
Seriously, weren't you self banning yourself?
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Saw him play at Indiana last year and he was nothing special, maybe because Tom Crean does not know how to use a center since he never recruited an offensive center with center moves,
I discount Devante just used his weight, and body. Luke used both hands, left and right lay-ups, knows how to use his body in getting shots off. The 15 foot shot from the baseline was really
impressive. I can not remember a better opening game for a center in years or 40 years. MU has had many average offensive centers but nobody really with his ability. He will make MU a much
better team. Liked how Wojo used him on the offensive end, he knows what he has and used it. Crean had no idea how to use a center, most of the time he ran the baseline behind the basket.
He is not Bill Walton, but if he keeps on playing like today, might be one of the best centers in MU history. Then again there has not been to many, Whitehead, McIlvaine, MaCaskell, Downing,
Copa, Lovette, Barro, and others all had weaknesses in there game, Luke can stack up with all of them. The year just got more fun, the same night Parker is out for the year, to bad for the
Bucks. Also, Luke can play a little D.
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That shoulder worries me. It maybe just that it was so heavily wrapped that it constricted his mobility, but it appeared he was favoring it, and not in a good way.
The wrapped left shoulder looked pretty good on that little lefty baby hook.
I hope it's not a factor down the road though.
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Yippee! A thread about a great game by our newest eligible member of the team turns into Ners bashing Derrick! Woo hoo!
Seriously, weren't you self banning yourself?
Take it up with Brandx for making the stupid point and introducing Derrick into this topic.
And no..I wasn't self banning myself.
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Take it up with Brandx for making the stupid point and introducing Derrick into this topic.
And no..I wasn't self banning myself.
Ahh, really? Okay, my mistake, must've misinterpreted when you said, and I directly quote a poll you started about yourself (what kind of problems do you have to have to do that?), "Figured I'd give the board their chance to speak as I've ruffled a lot of feathers here. I'll voluntarily go away if the majority of the board votes me off. (And I think it will be a close vote.)
Have fun with it Scoop."
Sorry, that post just seems like you're saying you'd ban yourself. Maybe I just can't read.
And somebody opined that Derrick's defense was why he was playing so you had to take a thread offering congratulations to a kid for having a great first game and turn it into a thread bashing Derrick? Dear Lord I feel sorry for you. And if you really don't think Luke's availability is part of the reason that Derrick's minutes were cut into then you truly might be the least knowledgeable poster when it comes to understanding the game of basketball. But wait, you played high school basketball, that couldn't be.
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Yippee! A thread about a great game by our newest eligible member of the team turns into Ners bashing Derrick! Woo hoo!
Seriously, weren't you self banning yourself?
You were expecting something new from him? ;D
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Take it up with Brandx for making the stupid point and introducing Derrick into this topic.
And no..I wasn't self banning myself.
No Ners, Brandx is under the common misconception that Derrick is actually a good defender and thus keeps repeating it. His defense looks good compared to his offense so naturally when announcers say things about him it is related to his defense.
I will never forget the game last season when in the waning seconds Derrick Wilson isn't even looking at his defender when he picks up his dribble and drains the game winner.
All that said, YOU DID use your post to influence this topic with a very negative post about Derrick Wilson.
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No Ners, Brandx is under the common misconception that Derrick is actually a good defender and thus keeps repeating it. His defense looks good compared to his offense so naturally when announcers say things about him it is related to his defense.
I will never forget the game last season when in the waning seconds Derrick Wilson isn't even looking at his defender when he picks up his dribble and drains the game winner.
All that said, YOU DID use your post to influence this topic with a very negative post about Derrick Wilson.
I am under the impression that he is a better defender than Deonte was or JJJ is. Anyone who knows basketball would agree with this.
The fact that you and Ners don't says it all.
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I am under the impression that he is a better defender than Deonte was or JJJ is. Anyone who knows basketball would agree with this.
The fact that you and Ners don't says it all.
Quit moving the goal posts. He's also a better defender than Carlino but 1) He wasn't taking time from Carlino and 2) that still doesn't make him a good defender.
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Ahh, really? Okay, my mistake, must've misinterpreted when you said, and I directly quote a poll you started about yourself (what kind of problems do you have to have to do that?), "Figured I'd give the board their chance to speak as I've ruffled a lot of feathers here. I'll voluntarily go away if the majority of the board votes me off. (And I think it will be a close vote.)
Have fun with it Scoop."
Sorry, that post just seems like you're saying you'd ban yourself. Maybe I just can't read.
And somebody opined that Derrick's defense was why he was playing so you had to take a thread offering congratulations to a kid for having a great first game and turn it into a thread bashing Derrick? Dear Lord I feel sorry for you. And if you really don't think Luke's availability is part of the reason that Derrick's minutes were cut into then you truly might be the least knowledgeable poster when it comes to understanding the game of basketball. But wait, you played high school basketball, that couldn't be.
LOL. If you believe a 6'1" post player cut into Derrick's minutes....have at it with your basketball brilliance.
And as for the poll, it was ended by the Mods a day and a half before it became official. So sorry. Your stuck having to deal with me.
And Wades - what are your basketball playing day qualifications btw? I know you have mentioned mine about 50 times, but what are yours?
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I am under the impression that he is a better defender than Deonte was or JJJ is. Anyone who knows basketball would agree with this.
The fact that you and Ners don't says it all.
Derrick is a better on ball man to man defender than Deonte and JJJ. He is nowhere near as instinctual as either Deonte or JJJ. Both Deonte and JJJ are far more disruptive. The zone minimized Derrick's best asset. Derrick is your AJ Hawk, assignment sure defender that rarely makes any mistakes, yet rarely makes any plays. Deonte was a Clay Matthews type defender, a playmaker - but with that he also gave up some plays.
As I've said Brandx, at times you make very good basketball related points - suggesting Derrick played less tonight because of Luke was not one of them.
But back to Luke - everyone can agree he looks like a major talent, and major help for this team.
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It wasn't official? It was never going to be official. Unless the mods ban you, it's not official. The only question is if you go through with your word or back out on it. You offered to self ban, you lied. It's okay to admit you can't live without Scoop, but please stop with the "official" excuse because there is no official with a voluntary self imposed ban.
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LOL. If you believe a 6'1" post player cut into Derrick's minutes....have at it with your basketball brilliance.
And as for the poll, it was ended by the Mods a day and a half before it became official. So sorry. Your stuck having to deal with me.
And Wades - what are your basketball playing day qualifications btw? I know you have mentioned mine about 50 times, but what are yours?
You know, I think today is your unlucky day. You seem to think me locking YOUR THREAD was somehow a sign I (we) approved of you and your posts. When I lock a thread, it means the thread is out of line. And you really can't give up talking about Derrick, so you just won a 30 day vacation. Congrats.
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You know, I think today is your unlucky day. You seem to think me locking YOUR THREAD was somehow a sign I (we) approved of you and your posts. When I lock a thread, it means the thread is out of line. And you really can't give up talking about Derrick, so you just won a 30 day vacation. Congrats.
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Hooray for the Banhammer - but Derrick really did suck tonight.... irony...
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I fully understand those who are saying, "Let's wait to see what the future brings against better opponents," and I'm a voice-of-reason kind of guy myself.
But I could not help but be incredibly impressed with how polished and prepared he was after not playing in a college basketball game for a year.
Tonight's game changed the second he stepped on the court, and he excelled in every phase.
I mean, if we're not allowed to get excited about a performance like that, why even bother being fans?
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I fully understand those who are saying, "Let's wait to see what the future brings against better opponents," and I'm a voice-of-reason kind of guy myself.
But I could not help but be incredibly impressed with how polished and prepared he was after not playing in a college basketball game for a year.
Tonight's game changed the second he stepped on the court, and he excelled in every phase.
I mean, if we're not allowed to get excited about a performance like that, why even bother being fans?
I was originally guessing when it was all said and done he would be a 15-20mpg, 5ppg, 4pg, 1bpg type of player. If he is half as productive as he was tonight he is going to be a 20-25mpg, 10ppg, 7rpg, 2bpg player. That is going to be huge for this team.
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I wasn't able to watch, but this thread made me happy. Thank you, Scoop.
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Luke came from an excellent HS program, and was very well-coached. His understanding of space and positioning is so far ahead of Taylor, who is in his third year of D1 ball. He allows them to handle ball screens much better, and shut off some driving lanes. 19 points on the other end ain't bad, either.
I'll raise my hand and say I underestimated how much he'd help. I know it's one game, but things just got interesting for this team.
Not disagreeing with you that individually Luke seems to be ahead of Taylor in terms of basketball IQ at the moment, but last I checked Steve's HS program wasn't too shabby......
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Luke came from an excellent HS program, and was very well-coached. His understanding of space and positioning is so far ahead of Taylor, who is in his third year of D1 ball. He allows them to handle ball screens much better, and shut off some driving lanes. 19 points on the other end ain't bad, either.
I'll raise my hand and say I underestimated how much he'd help. I know it's one game, but things just got interesting for this team.
Umm I know Germantown is a good program and Luke was there for some really strong years but Simeon is a national power.
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Luke came from an excellent HS program, and was very well-coached. His understanding of space and positioning is so far ahead of Taylor, who is in his third year of D1 ball. He allows them to handle ball screens much better, and shut off some driving lanes. 19 points on the other end ain't bad, either.
I'll raise my hand and say I underestimated how much he'd help. I know it's one game, but things just got interesting for this team.
Watching the game with my wife (a fellow MU alum), I remarked several times that Luke obviously was very well-coached from a pretty early age. He did a great job of staying vertical and not slapping down at the ball to draw cheap fouls. He moved his feet well and almost always was in excellent position.
Those are all signs of a hard-working, very coachable player.
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Looking tired in the second half. IMO, Wojo should have run STjr in and out to give him a little rest.
Totally agree with that. Steve needed more than 8 minutes. I think mental fatigue played a pretty big part in our last few minutes.
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You know, I think today is your unlucky day. You seem to think me locking YOUR THREAD was somehow a sign I (we) approved of you and your posts. When I lock a thread, it means the thread is out of line. And you really can't give up talking about Derrick, so you just won a 30 day vacation. Congrats.
BOOM! Love it.
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You know, I think today is your unlucky day. You seem to think me locking YOUR THREAD was somehow a sign I (we) approved of you and your posts. When I lock a thread, it means the thread is out of line. And you really can't give up talking about Derrick, so you just won a 30 day vacation. Congrats.
Finally! I don't think the board could be any happier after a good win last night, Luke's return, and a Ners ban. This week just got a whole lot better. And that's sad to say considering I already had the dude on ignore.
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Finally! I don't think the board could be any happier after a good win last night, Luke's return, and a Ners ban. This week just got a whole lot better. And that's sad to say considering I already had the dude on ignore.
A nice win and a Ners ban. It's like sweeping a double header!
On the Luke topic, I agree that we need to get more minutes for Steve. Luke was awesome and Steve is undersized for a 5, but I just don't see Luke holding out for 35 mpg.
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last I checked Steve's HS program wasn't too shabby......
Umm I know Germantown is a good program and Luke was there for some really strong years but Simeon is a national power.
What does Simeon have to do with this?
The point was that Luke was well-coached, and has a better understanding of space and positioning than Taylor does. At this point in his career, that's more of an indictment of Steve (and Buzz) than Simeon.
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Ners banned?
Now he's got something else to blame on Derrick!!
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I thought Luke would be a solid addition, but that was an outstanding performance, if we can get 80% of that we might have a chance to do some damage.
One of the aspects of Luke's game I was totally unprepared for was his vision. If he is going to be able to win one on one in the post like he did last night, teams will start doubling. There were multiple times last night where Luke caught the ball in the low post, felt the double coming and found the open man on the opposite side before the double can get there......that is some high level stuff for someone that hasn't played more than 60 minutes of D1 ball and all of it over a year ago.
If Luke can do that regularly, Matt Car3no is gonna be a thing.
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Ners banned?
Now he's got something else to blame on Derrick!!
It's funny because it's true.
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Saw him play at Indiana last year and he was nothing special, maybe because Tom Crean does not know how to use a center since he never recruited an offensive center with center moves,
I discount Devante just used his weight, and body. Luke used both hands, left and right lay-ups, knows how to use his body in getting shots off. The 15 foot shot from the baseline was really
impressive. I can not remember a better opening game for a center in years or 40 years. MU has had many average offensive centers but nobody really with his ability. He will make MU a much
better team. Liked how Wojo used him on the offensive end, he knows what he has and used it. Crean had no idea how to use a center, most of the time he ran the baseline behind the basket.
He is not Bill Walton, but if he keeps on playing like today, might be one of the best centers in MU history. Then again there has not been to many, Whitehead, McIlvaine, MaCaskell, Downing,
Copa, Lovette, Barro, and others all had weaknesses in there game, Luke can stack up with all of them. The year just got more fun, the same night Parker is out for the year, to bad for the
Bucks. Also, Luke can play a little D.
...and with Heidt and Henry next year; watch out!
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I was watching the game while my wife was working on her laptop. I just kept saying "this changes everything."
Fischer was extremely polished on both ends. Offensively he could get into position and seal his man and score with either hand on a variety of moves, also was in the right place for dump offs, tip-ins and could roll off screens. Defensively he blocked and disrupted shots all night and generally avoided dumb fouls and also knew when not to contest in favor of getting in position to rebound. He has elite size and knows how to use it to his advantage (which, as much as I love Otule, he never really figured that out). I know, it's only one game and he will have ups and downs especially once teams game plan for him, but I don't remember us having a big man this advanced at this stage in his career.
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It wasn't official? It was never going to be official. Unless the mods ban you, it's not official. The only question is if you go through with your word or back out on it. You offered to self ban, you lied. It's okay to admit you can't live without Scoop, but please stop with the "official" excuse because there is no official with a voluntary self imposed ban.
+1
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Luke came from an excellent HS program, and was very well-coached.
How do you know he didn't learn all those skills from Crean?
I am sure that is what Tanned Tommy was telling everyone at the bar last night as he was crying in his beer.
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You know, I think today is your unlucky day. You seem to think me locking YOUR THREAD was somehow a sign I (we) approved of you and your posts. When I lock a thread, it means the thread is out of line. And you really can't give up talking about Derrick, so you just won a 30 day vacation. Congrats.
In all sincerity, THANK YOU.
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Add Luke, subtract Ners??? That's the best trade since Andersen for Bagwell.
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Add Luke, subtract Ners??? That's the best trade since Andersen for Bagwell.
I'd even say its better than Brock for Broglio!
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Best part of the game was to hear the tv commentary that Fischer is much better than Brian Butch ever was!! I bet you could hear the screams coming from Madison at the BC!
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You know, I think today is your unlucky day.....so you just won a 30 day vacation. Congrats.
Wow...and all expenses paid
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You know, I think today is your unlucky day. You seem to think me locking YOUR THREAD was somehow a sign I (we) approved of you and your posts. When I lock a thread, it means the thread is out of line. And you really can't give up talking about Derrick, so you just won a 30 day vacation. Congrats.
WOOOOOHHHOOOOO!!!
Someone...quick...get the ITS HAPPENING! Gif!!!!
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You rang?
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What does Simeon have to do with this?
The point was that Luke was well-coached, and has a better understanding of space and positioning than Taylor does. At this point in his career, that's more of an indictment of Steve (and Buzz) than Simeon.
The implication from your statement that Luke came from a powerhouse and well coached team seemed to be qualifying why Luke has such a great basketball iq and understanding of space that Steve doesn't thus the implication would be that you are saying if Steve had gone to a well coached powerhouse he'd have the same basketball iq and understanding of space. That's why the two of us came out and mentioned that Simeon is kind of a big deal to so saying Luke was well coached and came from a powerhouse doesn't really have anything to do with the comparison to Steve.
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That was the kid's first game in how long?? Not to be hyperbolic, but that was an incredible performance all things considered. The kid looked like a pre-season BE 1st teamer playing in his junior year. What a debut. This season's direction and potential have turned
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The rim protection was outstanding - could not have spotted him in a better place on the floor, or in better position to alter and block shots. The first can't be taught entirely and relies on the player having that natural awareness, the second is something that coaches somewhere have instilled.
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The implication from your statement that Luke came from a powerhouse and well coached team seemed to be qualifying why Luke has such a great basketball iq and understanding of space that Steve doesn't thus the implication would be that you are saying if Steve had gone to a well coached powerhouse he'd have the same basketball iq and understanding of space. That's why the two of us came out and mentioned that Simeon is kind of a big deal to so saying Luke was well coached and came from a powerhouse doesn't really have anything to do with the comparison to Steve.
I actually agree with the original poster. Simeons coaching isn't the greatest. Obviously a ton of talent but my dad always said he wouldn't lose a game if he had the guys Simeon did.
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Was that the best performance for a guy wearing the MU jersey for the first time? I can't imagine many freshman having a game like that and most of the time the first game is against a cupcake. Maybe D-Wade came out the gates hot, but I don't remember? Also I'm too young to know if any of Al's players had a first career game like last night. I think it might be the best debut in the fine history of Warrior basketball.
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I actually agree with the original poster. Simeons coaching isn't the greatest. Obviously a ton of talent but my dad always said he wouldn't lose a game if he had the guys Simeon did.
I think Smith's track record of getting kids ready to play at the next level speaks for itself.
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That was the kid's first game in how long?? Not to be hyperbolic, but that was an incredible performance all things considered. The kid looked like a pre-season BE 1st teamer playing in his junior year. What a debut. This season's direction and potential have turned
I am gonna run with the hyperbole. It's too bad the BE awards POY instead of MVP, because if we somehow miraculously finish top 4 in conference, you can point to this moment and definitively say the mere presence of Fischer in the lineup completely changes the way this team plays. That is invaluable.
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What does Simeon have to do with this?
The point was that Luke was well-coached, and has a better understanding of space and positioning than Taylor does. At this point in his career, that's more of an indictment of Steve (and Buzz) than Simeon.
Luke has been a center for a very long time and has the footwork/experience to go with it. Even as a sophomore in HS he had nice back to basket moves. From what I remember of watching Steve in HS youtube and on AAU teams during the summer, he played a lot of his game on the perimeter. Believe it or not, he shot a lot of 3s and did more slashing. He has never really been a back-to-the-basket guy at all. I would guess when he came here he thought he would be a 3 or 4, never a 5. Luke's experience as a true 5 is obviously way beyond STJ, but it is nice to have a serviceable backup who can give you minutes.
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Maybe D-Wade came out the gates hot, but I don't remember?
Dug it up. Yeah, it was pretty impressive.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2001-11-18/sports/0111180566_1_cordell-henry-marquette-coach-tom-crean-loyola
Wade led all scorers with 21 points on 7-of-16 shooting and 7-of-7 from the foul line. He also had nine rebounds, five assists, two blocks and three steals.
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I am gonna run with the hyperbole. It's too bad the BE awards POY instead of MVP, because if we somehow miraculously finish top 4 in conference, you can point to this moment and definitively say the mere presence of Fischer in the lineup completely changes the way this team plays. That is invaluable.
Let's just relax and take a step back here. Fischer had a great debut but ASU is, at best, a middle of the pack Pac-12 team. They also had no film on Fischer with MU and how Wojo might use him. The team was definitely better with him on the floor, but no one should be putting him in the BE POY conversation after one game against an average team.
All that said, I hope that I'm wrong and Luke goes for 19 and 9 a night ;)
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Per Marquette Men's Basketball "@MarquetteMBB: ICYMI @Bigfishy40 debut for #mubb last night. http://t.co/4FnRcFbsKj"
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I was watching the game while my wife was working on her laptop. I just kept saying "this changes everything."
Fischer was extremely polished on both ends. Offensively he could get into position and seal his man and score with either hand on a variety of moves, also was in the right place for dump offs, tip-ins and could roll off screens. Defensively he blocked and disrupted shots all night and generally avoided dumb fouls and also knew when not to contest in favor of getting in position to rebound. He has elite size and knows how to use it to his advantage (which, as much as I love Otule, he never really figured that out). I know, it's only one game and he will have ups and downs especially once teams game plan for him, but I don't remember us having a big man this advanced at this stage in his career.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gif)
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Let's just relax and take a step back here. Fischer had a great debut but ASU is, at best, a middle of the pack Pac-12 team. They also had no film on Fischer with MU and how Wojo might use him. The team was definitely better with him on the floor, but no one should be putting him in the BE POY conversation after one game against an average team.
All that said, I hope that I'm wrong and Luke goes for 19 and 9 a night ;)
If Fischer goes for 19 and 9 a night were making the sweet 16. But like you, I'm excited but have my expectations tempered. Just wait for the inevitable scoop meltdown when he has a medeciore to bad performance.
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That was the kid's first game in how long?? Not to be hyperbolic, but that was an incredible performance all things considered. The kid looked like a pre-season BE 1st teamer playing in his junior year. What a debut. This season's direction and potential have turned
He could be 1st team this year, Ochefu is average and Stainbrook is slow, other then those two, maybe Opeka from St. Johns, but just can jump, all have some type of weakness's, but one game
does not make a season, hope not, but he has as good a chance as those centers. Of course, they might just take the 5 best players.
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Nobody really hedges their bets here. If he would have had a bad game last night, people would be calling him a bust. Now people are actually floating the idea of a BE POY or first team all BE.
It's one game. Against a decent, but not really good ASU team, at home.
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Nobody really hedges their bets here. If he would have had a bad game last night, people would be calling him a bust. Now people are actually floating the idea of a BE POY or first team all BE.
It's one game. Against a decent, but not really good ASU team, at home.
I think few of us are seriously entertaining those possibilities. But after the tone this board took post-UNO, I'm willing to indulge in some euphoria-induced fantasies.
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Rocky, thank you for the Christmas present.
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Nobody really hedges their bets here. If he would have had a bad game last night, people would be calling him a bust. Now people are actually floating the idea of a BE POY or first team all BE.
It's one game. Against a decent, but not really good ASU team, at home.
I saw him a few times in high school, just thought he was OK, tall, not really skilled, but really was impressed last night, he has certain skills either you have or do not have, he has them,
Chris O'Tule after 5 years really did not have any. He will be able to score off any of the Big East centers. Of course will not be 7 for 9 every game, who does that. But he can get 8 to 9
rebounds every game as he does hustle, that is for sure.
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I had never sponsored anyone in their fight against any addiction until I agreed to sponsor Ners in Derrick Anonymous. He fell off the wagon in just over 24 hours. A week later he's now banned for 30 days.
I really suck at this.
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Nobody really hedges their bets here. If he would have had a bad game last night, people would be calling him a bust. Now people are actually floating the idea of a BE POY or first team all BE.
It's one game. Against a decent, but not really good ASU team, at home.
This.
I don't want to be the wet blanket, but let's keep our expectations appropriate.
With this said, Luke is very polished for a soph, and he does make the game look easy. 6'11" with a good jump hook with both hands. Just be tall, and put it up softly on the rim. Not rocket science.
He'll need to continue to get stronger, but his footwork and touch are very good on both ends of the floor for an underclassman.
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I think few of us are seriously entertaining those possibilities. But after the tone this board took post-UNO, I'm willing to indulge in some euphoria-induced fantasies.
I am far happier reading happy juice infused ramblings about Luke being BE POY than I am going back to the topic whose name must not be mentioned. And let's be honest, there was a lot to like about last night's game, from defense to ball movement to some really nice assists, that we have not seen too much of lately, and I plan to enjoy it.
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You know, I think today is your unlucky day. You seem to think me locking YOUR THREAD was somehow a sign I (we) approved of you and your posts. When I lock a thread, it means the thread is out of line. And you really can't give up talking about Derrick, so you just won a 30 day vacation. Congrats.
Great ... well done Rocky! However, 30 years to life seems more appropriate. ;D
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The implication from your statement that Luke came from a powerhouse and well coached team seemed to be qualifying why Luke has such a great basketball iq and understanding of space that Steve doesn't thus the implication would be that you are saying if Steve had gone to a well coached powerhouse he'd have the same basketball iq and understanding of space. That's why the two of us came out and mentioned that Simeon is kind of a big deal to so saying Luke was well coached and came from a powerhouse doesn't really have anything to do with the comparison to Steve.
Either Piper has taken one too many knocks to the head, or missed the day when we discussed the difference between "imply" and "infer."
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Nobody really hedges their bets here. If he would have had a bad game last night, people would be calling him a bust. Now people are actually floating the idea of a BE POY or first team all BE.
It's one game. Against a decent, but not really good ASU team, at home.
And Sultan missed the discussion on the difference between "nobody" and "damn near everyone who sits in front of Scoop a couple hours a day"
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By Jon Rothstein | CBS Sports
December 17, 2014 6:41 am PT
4. Luke Fischer will completely change Marquette: The transfer from Indiana made an immediate impact in his season debut Tuesday night vs. Arizona State. If his initial production is any indication, the 6-11 big man instantly will be one of the Big East's better post players. He collected 19 points, nine rebounds and five blocks in a 78-71 win, while providing Steve Wojciecjchowski's team something it was missing -- a legitimate anchor in the pivot. Before Tuesday, the Golden Eagles didn't have a player taller than 6-7. The Wisconsin native will be an all-conference player before he's done -- he's that good.
Link to the whole article:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24897235/observations-we-get-a-read-on-arizona-during-trip-to-utep-unlv
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I never understood the "be excited, but not too excited" mentality. Not sure anyone has labeled him the best C in college. I also don't think anyone is going to destroy him if he struggles his next time out. The fact is his performance last night was nothing short of awesome all things considered. Something to be excited about, not met with reservation. To each their own I guess.
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I also don't think anyone is going to destroy him if he struggles his next time out.
They will.
It's the problem with fans.
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They will.
It's the problem with fans.
I'm sure a select few would, but I think the majority are level headed.
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They will.
It's the problem with fans.
This board especially likes to really ride the highs and lows of players/games.
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It stinks that Fischer and Ellenson will never play together. Being lottery picks after their first years at MU won't let that happen.
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And Sultan missed the discussion on the difference between "nobody" and "damn near everyone who sits in front of Scoop a couple hours a day"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole
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Umm I know Germantown is a good program and Luke was there for some really strong years but Simeon is a national power.
Simeon is a national power due to their talent not their coaching.
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Either Piper has taken one too many knocks to the head, or missed the day when we discussed the difference between "imply" and "infer."
Probably both to be honest.
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By Jon Rothstein | CBS Sports
December 17, 2014 6:41 am PT
4. Luke Fischer will completely change Marquette: The transfer from Indiana made an immediate impact in his season debut Tuesday night vs. Arizona State. If his initial production is any indication, the 6-11 big man instantly will be one of the Big East's better post players. He collected 19 points, nine rebounds and five blocks in a 78-71 win, while providing Steve Wojciecjchowski's team something it was missing -- a legitimate anchor in the pivot. Before Tuesday, the Golden Eagles didn't have a player taller than 6-7. The Wisconsin native will be an all-conference player before he's done -- he's that good.
Link to the whole article:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24897235/observations-we-get-a-read-on-arizona-during-trip-to-utep-unlv
Buzz called Luke "manna from heaven". According to the Indiana boards Luke wasn't homesick, he was uncomfortable with the "culture" at IU. When he told his Dad some of what was going on, he encouraged him to leave. Wonder if Fred Glass knows.
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Buzz called Luke "manna from heaven". According to the Indiana boards Luke wasn't homesick, he was uncomfortable with the "culture" at IU. When he told his Dad some of what was going on, he encouraged him to leave. Wonder if Fred Glass knows.
Nice baiting of the hook, but that other big fish isn't biting on this anymore.
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Nobody really hedges their bets here. If he would have had a bad game last night, people would be calling him a bust. Now people are actually floating the idea of a BE POY or first team all BE.
It's one game. Against a decent, but not really good ASU team, at home.
I'm just impressed that nobody is seriously waxing poetic about him leaving MU early to be a sure-fire NBA first-round pick. (Yet.)
I mean, some had Deonte as the next Barkley, Mayo as the next Vinny Johnson and, if memory serves, Grimm as the next Neal Walk!
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As Fischer checked out for the final time with 31 seconds to play, the Bradley Center crowd loudly chanted "Luuuuuke." It is just one game, but the sophomore gave a glimpse of why Marquette couldn't wait to get him eligible.
"Part of the reason I came back was to play for a team in Wisconsin, to play for a team I grew up cheering for," Fischer said. "After I left (the state of Wisconsin) I didn't understand why I didn't stay home."
http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/luke-fischer-quickly-makes-presence-felt-for-marquette-golden-eagles-121614
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I'm just impressed that nobody is seriously waxing poetic about him leaving MU early to be a sure-fire NBA first-round pick. (Yet.)
Someone did on another board.
I mean, some had Deonte as the next Barkley, Mayo as the next Vinny Johnson and, if memory serves, Grimm as the next Neal Walk!
And of course...Magic Dawson.
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I'm sure a select few would, but I think the majority are level headed.
Yes and no. The vocal minority while small, can be pretty loud sometimes.
Realistically, what do we expect from Luke?
10pts+, 7reb+ 1.5blks +? Shoot a good percentage.
Last night was amazing, but I also expect some growing pains. (that goes for Luke, and the whole team quite frankly).
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Best part of the game was to hear the tv commentary that Fischer is much better than Brian Butch ever was!! I bet you could hear the screams coming from Madison at the BC!
And the news gets even better. Anyone have the quote or a clip of this?
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I believe the sequence was more "that Butch kid from a few years ago... I think it was Brian Butch"
Brando didn't remember his first name and Raft was only half sure it was Brian.
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I have no real argument with those preaching a little caution here. One game does not a season or career make. Luke is young, inexperienced and he'll struggle at times.
That said, comparing him to Dawson, Deonte, Steve, etc., is ridiculous. Those guys are talented at some things but also have major holes in their games. Luke is fundamentally sound and light years ahead of those guys. He's already a really good "all around" player. He is and will remain our most important player on the team (just ahead of Duane Wilson) at least until Henry arrives. I thought he'd be good - he was way better than that. Without him we're a bottom feeder battling DePaul for last place. With him, we'll see, but the team that was really hard to watch against UW was (while still frustrating at times) not only watchable but exciting. I'm officially cancelling my "wait until next year" stance until next year.
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Yes and no. The vocal minority while small, can be pretty loud sometimes.
Realistically, what do we expect from Luke?
10pts+, 7reb+ 1.5blks +? Shoot a good percentage.
Last night was amazing, but I also expect some growing pains. (that goes for Luke, and the whole team quite frankly).
I think 10 pts, 7 rebs, and 2 blocks is a reasonable thing to expect from Luke night in, night out.
If he can deliver that, with an occasional 20/10 breakthrough game, I think we will make the tournament.
More importantly than the blocked shots stat is the way he alter shots, forces people to put up questionable shots, defends the lane, etc.
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I am a skeptical sports fan and have no real basketball experience outside of watching and playing pick-up, so consider this when I provide my summary.
Marquette has been forcing players to play out of their natural position for years. Lazar and Crowder frequently played the five position and did very well. Otule just didn't have the physical skills (depth perception) to be offensive, and the same was true for Gardner (stamina) on defense. Unfortunately, this allowed opponents to guard the perimeter on defense and post up aggressively on offense to exploit our weaknesses.
Last night was the first time in a long time that I have seen a team that will be able to adapt to opponents with different strengths and weaknesses. More importantly, Fischer's presence as a true center will allow the other players on the floor to focus on improving at their natural positions. Duane and Jajuan seemed to be the biggest benefactors of this freedom.
Needless to say, Fischer was better than I could have hoped. He knew how to be disruptive in the paint without overexposing himself to foul trouble. His touch around the hoop was well-rehearsed and he instinctively knew where to look after securing a rebound.
Carlino will have to adapt his play with Luke in the game as is he used to driving and kicking, rather than passing into the post and working off screens for open looks.
Jajuan is looking like a trust-worthy facilitator and will probably be playing more minutes as the year progresses.
Duane looks like the best player on the team. I haven't seen that level of sustained aggressive guard play since the James/Matthews/McNeil era. As fans, we need to be prepared for some off nights and costly turnovers, but I think he has the greatest scoring potential on the team.
Juan Anderson developed some "big-man" skills that never looked possible when he first arrived. Using this experience at the four spot should be helpful on the boards and on defense, but he will need to stick to taking intelligent shots as he doesn't improvise well.
I wish we could have found a spot for Burton, but am guessing that he and Wojo had some "philosophical differences," especially around defense. I don't find myself saying, "If only we still had Mayo," and I think the team will move on without Burton in much the same way.
Last night renewed my hope that we can contend in the Big East and possibly fight for a spot in the tournament. Go MU!
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I am a skeptical sports fan and have no real basketball experience outside of watching and playing pick-up, so consider this when I provide my summary.
Marquette has been forcing players to play out of their natural position for years. Lazar and Crowder frequently played the five position and did very well. Otule just didn't have the physical skills (depth perception) to be offensive, and the same was true for Gardner (stamina) on defense. Unfortunately, this allowed opponents to guard the perimeter on defense and post up aggressively on offense to exploit our weaknesses.
Last night was the first time in a long time that I have seen a team that will be able to adapt to opponents with different strengths and weaknesses. More importantly, Fischer's presence as a true center will allow the other players on the floor to focus on improving at their natural positions. Duane and Jajuan seemed to be the biggest benefactors of this freedom.
Needless to say, Fischer was better than I could have hoped. He knew how to be disruptive in the paint without overexposing himself to foul trouble. His touch around the hoop was well-rehearsed and he instinctively knew where to look after securing a rebound.
Carlino will have to adapt his play with Luke in the game as is he used to driving and kicking, rather than passing into the post and working off screens for open looks.
Jajuan is looking like a trust-worthy facilitator and will probably be playing more minutes as the year progresses.
Duane looks like the best player on the team. I haven't seen that level of sustained aggressive guard play since the James/Matthews/McNeil era. As fans, we need to be prepared for some off nights and costly turnovers, but I think he has the greatest scoring potential on the team.
Juan Anderson developed some "big-man" skills that never looked possible when he first arrived. Using this experience at the four spot should be helpful on the boards and on defense, but he will need to stick to taking intelligent shots as he doesn't improvise well.
I wish we could have found a spot for Burton, but am guessing that he and Wojo had some "philosophical differences," especially around defense. I don't find myself saying, "If only we still had Mayo," and I think the team will move on without Burton in much the same way.
Last night renewed my hope that we can contend in the Big East and possibly fight for a spot in the tournament. Go MU!
Great post. I agree with most of this, although I do still wish we had Burton, if only because we have 8 scholarship guys, which is just tough in terms of conditioning and staying out of foul trouble.
And don't worry about your lack of playing experience. This was a more intelligent post than many here by people who claim to have some sort of knowledge because they played in high school.
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Not to be hyperbolic...
I am gonna run with the hyperbole...
Now people are actually floating the idea of a BE POY or first team all BE.
And Sultan missed the discussion on the difference between "nobody" and "damn near everyone who sits in front of Scoop a couple hours a day"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole
Sorry man, I couldn't resist.
25+ minutes, 6 points, 10 rebounds, altering shots, and allowing our guards to play as guards. That's all I really ask.
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How many times have you seen a MLB prospect get called up and hit the cover off the ball..... until a detailed, advanced scouting report is compiled and their numbers come back to reality.
I think Fischer was all you could ask for in his first game of eligibility, but I think 1) ASU didn't have any scouting report on him and 2) they were prepared to play against the zone and I think the man to man really confused them given what was likely a game plan to play against the zone.
This could be the start of a fantastic year for Fischer but the 19/9/5 line might be his high water mark this year as well. Let's not get carried away until we see what he looks like five games into the Big East schedule.
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Apologies if this has been brought up on these boards before but...
A week ago, if a "trade" was offered where MU would get Luke Fischer in exchange for Burton and Dawson, who would have taken it?
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Apologies if this has been brought up on these boards before but...
A week ago, if a "trade" was offered where MU would get Luke Fischer in exchange for Burton and Dawson, who would have taken it?
I would've because you can't teach height, and we were severely lacking that. I still think Burton can be something special, but he is very raw in his basketball IQ.
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Apologies if this has been brought up on these boards before but...
A week ago, if a "trade" was offered where MU would get Luke Fischer in exchange for Burton and Dawson, who would have taken it?
Except that's not even close to the real scenario at hand.
We were getting Fischer back regardless, so the scenario of having Fischer with Burton (and Dawson) was much preferred to having Fischer sans Burton (and Dawson) leaving us with 8 available scholarship players.
Fischer entering the line up has nothing to do with the recent transfers. He would've made his contributions regardless.
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I'm watching the game on FSN-WI now, and one thing I really like is how Fischer puts his arms out when a guy is backing him down. Will hopefully keep him out of foul trouble. I noticed Steve Taylor do the same thing, so it must be a Wojo philosophy.
Also, getting a little ahead of myself, but I'm excited to see Fischer and Heldt together. The videos I've seen of Heldt shows he has a pretty good jump shot, and can finish with a hook shot with both hands. I haven't seen a lot, so don't know how he compares defensively to Fischer. We could have two nice centers, especially when Heldt gets a year under his belt.
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I believe the sequence was more "that Butch kid from a few years ago... I think it was Brian Butch"
Brando didn't remember his first name and Raft was only half sure it was Brian.
You're right...that was funny too! I still have the game on my DVR. I'll see if I can post that commentary tomorrow.
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Was that the best performance for a guy wearing the MU jersey for the first time? I can't imagine many freshman having a game like that and most of the time the first game is against a cupcake. Maybe D-Wade came out the gates hot, but I don't remember? Also I'm too young to know if any of Al's players had a first career game like last night. I think it might be the best debut in the fine history of Warrior basketball.
The only possibility might be Bo Ellis. Al was not fond of playing freshman.
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I believe the sequence was more "that Butch kid from a few years ago... I think it was Brian Butch"
Brando didn't remember his first name and Raft was only half sure it was Brian.
THAT was the best part.
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The only possibility might be Bo Ellis. Al was not fond of playing freshman.
Midway through Bo Elli's first game I said " My god, he is better than Lucas". The first half Fischer reminded me of that game, but he certainly slowed down in the second half.
I like this team now. Fischer does not need to average 19 & 9, because he impacts the game in other ways. He allows Duane, Juan and JJJ to get out and run.
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I like this team now. Fischer does not need to average 19 & 9, because he impacts the game in other ways. He allows Duane, Juan and JJJ to get out and run.
And when he gets double teamed he seems to pass well enough to allow for Duane, Juan, JJJ, & Matt to get more uncontested looks at 3 than pre-Fischer.
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And you really can't give up talking about Derrick, so you just won a 30 day vacation. Congrats.
Peace on Ners; DeWil toward men.
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I have no real argument with those preaching a little caution here. One game does not a season or career make. Luke is young, inexperienced and he'll struggle at times.
That said, comparing him to Dawson, Deonte, Steve, etc., is ridiculous. Those guys are talented at some things but also have major holes in their games. Luke is fundamentally sound and light years ahead of those guys. He's already a really good "all around" player. He is and will remain our most important player on the team (just ahead of Duane Wilson) at least until Henry arrives. I thought he'd be good - he was way better than that. Without him we're a bottom feeder battling DePaul for last place. With him, we'll see, but the team that was really hard to watch against UW was (while still frustrating at times) not only watchable but exciting. I'm officially cancelling my "wait until next year" stance until next year.
Well, jimtelevision would say otherwise...
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I'm watching the game on FSN-WI now, and one thing I really like is how Fischer puts his arms out when a guy is backing him down. Will hopefully keep him out of foul trouble. I noticed Steve Taylor do the same thing, so it must be a Wojo philosophy.
As I watched Luke play defense, I immediately thought, "This kid has been well-coached ever since he was 7."
I'm not saying Wojo and staff haven't helped a ton. I'm just saying he was a very good prospect coming out of high school because he already had a sound fundamental base. Very impressed with the way he used his body and his mind, especially on D.
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This could be the start of a fantastic year for Fischer but the 19/9/5 line might be his high water mark this year as well.
Then again, it might not be. That's why we watch sports ... to enjoy what happens today and to anticipate what will happen tomorrow!
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As I watched Luke play defense, I immediately thought, "This kid has been well-coached ever since he was 7."
I'm not saying Wojo and staff haven't helped a ton. I'm just saying he was a very good prospect coming out of high school because he already had a sound fundamental base. Very impressed with the way he used his body and his mind, especially on D.
I had see Luke play a couple times in HS and knew he had some nice offensive moves, but, yeah, it was his defense that impressed me the most last night. He has bulked up since HS and played much bigger than I remembered.
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I had see Luke play a couple times in HS and knew he had some nice offensive moves, but, yeah, it was his defense that impressed me the most last night. He has bulked up since HS and played much bigger than I remembered.
Last night was my first time even seeing one second of him. Never had seen him on film. Didn't notice him last Nov/Dec at IU. Never saw him in HS.
So it was a real revelation for me. I was expecting him to play 15-20 minutes, commit a few fouls, grab a few rebounds, maybe get a couple garbage baskets. I sure as $hittin' wasn't expecting THAT! So yes, I admit I have to work hard to try not to get too psyched about his future.
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Apologies if this has been brought up on these boards before but...
A week ago, if a "trade" was offered where MU would get Luke Fischer in exchange for Burton and Dawson, who would have taken it?
No one......I hope.
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I agree with Mac last night. Luke is going to be good enough to require him to be double teamed in many games. He an excellent passer so our guards better get ready to fire up uncontested shots. Unfortunately Jake never had this type of opportunity. Get ready Carlino, JJJ and Duane!
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Peace on Ners; DeWil toward men.
Holy Shiite militia, batman, that's good satire. Wish I had thought of that.
Timely, witty, relevant, funny, poking fun at Ners. That's a five-tool post right there. We haven't seen something like that on Scoop in years.
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How long were you saving this one?
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Peace on Ners; DeWil toward men.
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How long were you saving this one?
Now now. Ners doesn't get special treatment. I have about a half dozen banhammer gifs that I use whenever the mods drop the banhammer on anybody
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Except that's not even close to the real scenario at hand.
We were getting Fischer back regardless, so the scenario of having Fischer with Burton (and Dawson) was much preferred to having Fischer sans Burton (and Dawson) leaving us with 8 available scholarship players.
Fischer entering the line up has nothing to do with the recent transfers. He would've made his contributions regardless.
I never said that it was close to the real scenario at hand. It obviously would be better to have all of them and no one said that Fischer's return had anything to do with the transfers.
The point that you clearly missed was that, if given the hypothetical choice between Fischer or Burton/Dawson, it would be a no-brainer to choose Fischer. He's a much more valuable player to this team. Clearly I didn't think that posters would take it so seriously.
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How do you know he didn't learn all those skills from Crean?
I am sure that is what Tanned Tommy was telling everyone at the bar last night as he was crying in his beer.
Crying? There is no crying in basketball. Now beer, that's a different story.