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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on November 28, 2014, 11:13:56 AM
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Yeah, kicks Jurassic World's ass.
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Yeah, kicks Jurassic World's ass.
I hadn't watched Jurassic World's trailer until just now. It doesn't look too bad, but seems pretty formulaic. The shot of the scientist with the flare is a copy of a scene in Aliens with Ripley. Started laughing when I saw the raptors come out of the doors. It looked like they were being raced like horses at first glance. Come to Jurassic World to bet on the Raptor Races ! Hmmm.... Razorclaw is 5 to 1, but Thunderclap has a quicker first step @ 7 to 1. I'll take thunderclap.
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Glad they've reduced George Lucas to just a bit more than a figurehead - it has a chance to be good based on that alone.
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Glad they've reduced George Lucas to just a bit more than a figurehead - it has a chance to be good based on that alone.
Lucas was too old and had lost his creative spark when he rebooted Star Wars. Those movies focused on special effects rather than interesting character development and plot.
The new Star Wars has a long way to go. I was skeptical of JJ Abrams being hired to direct it. Most of his praise came from the Star Trek reboots, but I didn't think either of those movies was that spectacular. The storylines were quite basic giving those movies a feel that they were more like a glorified TV episode rather than a feature length movie. Based on that, I'm still reluctant about the next Star Wars. I just hope they don't sacrifice a great script for purpose of mass appeal and dollars.
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I just hope they don't sacrifice a great script for purpose of mass appeal and dollars.
So...you want Disney....to do the exact opposite of the money making formula of the other 6 movies.
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See, the jurassic world trailer made me way more excited than the star wars one. In either case, no person can make me more excited to see a movie then john williams
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See, the jurassic world trailer made me way more excited than the star wars one. In either case, no person can make me more excited to see a movie then john williams
JW was an actual trailer, this was tease.
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Am I the only one who felt massively underwhelmed with this? I realize it's just a teaser, but for someone who grew up worshiping at the altar of Star Wars, they lost a TON of cachet with Episodes I-III. This doesn't give me any sense of who the heroes are, who the villains are, or why I should care. Once upon a time, some 30 years ago, Star Wars was the standard for space opera, but with the advent of both Firefly and Guardians of the Galaxy in the past decade, Star Wars has to show me something serious to reach the bar set by those two.
All I really get out of this is "Stormtroopers, droids, land speeders, okay, it's a Star Wars movie, oh look, a lightsaber with a hilt, I guess that's cool but Darth Maul's double-bladed was cooler, and there's the Millennium Falcon, thank you, good night." Yes, it's Star Wars, yes, it's Abrams, but no, I don't feel all that excited because of this teaser. Much more excited for Guardians 2.
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Am I the only one who felt massively underwhelmed with this? I realize it's just a teaser, but for someone who grew up worshiping at the altar of Star Wars, they lost a TON of cachet with Episodes I-III. This doesn't give me any sense of who the heroes are, who the villains are, or why I should care. Once upon a time, some 30 years ago, Star Wars was the standard for space opera, but with the advent of both Firefly and Guardians of the Galaxy in the past decade, Star Wars has to show me something serious to reach the bar set by those two.
All I really get out of this is "Stormtroopers, droids, land speeders, okay, it's a Star Wars movie, oh look, a lightsaber with a hilt, I guess that's cool but Darth Maul's double-bladed was cooler, and there's the Millennium Falcon, thank you, good night." Yes, it's Star Wars, yes, it's Abrams, but no, I don't feel all that excited because of this teaser. Much more excited for Guardians 2.
They just got done shooting the film, so this trailer isn't going to give much. Abrams, I think, is overrated and won't be able to give it a magic touch. My guess is that it is better than episodes 1-3, but falls a star short of the original trilogy. It's going to be tough to repeat original success. In order to do that, you'd have to risk almost reinventing things a bit with the franchise but I bet the studio exec pukes are too conservative to do that. Instead, they'll play it safe and gross the 1 billion worldwide.
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So...you want Disney....to do the exact opposite of the money making formula of the other 6 movies.
You think Empire Strikes Back was written with only a money-making formula
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Am I the only one who felt massively underwhelmed with this? I realize it's just a teaser, but for someone who grew up worshiping at the altar of Star Wars, they lost a TON of cachet with Episodes I-III. This doesn't give me any sense of who the heroes are, who the villains are, or why I should care. Once upon a time, some 30 years ago, Star Wars was the standard for space opera, but with the advent of both Firefly and Guardians of the Galaxy in the past decade, Star Wars has to show me something serious to reach the bar set by those two.
All I really get out of this is "Stormtroopers, droids, land speeders, okay, it's a Star Wars movie, oh look, a lightsaber with a hilt, I guess that's cool but Darth Maul's double-bladed was cooler, and there's the Millennium Falcon, thank you, good night." Yes, it's Star Wars, yes, it's Abrams, but no, I don't feel all that excited because of this teaser. Much more excited for Guardians 2.
It felt more like Star Wars than anything I ever saw from the prequels. The X-Wings looked perfect. It has the grittiness factors of the original. The stormtroopers are back.
You were looking for too much. It's a teaser's teaser, it doesn't want to lay out the plot for you. For this, they still have over a year to build and keep the hype. Why give anything away so soon? All they needed was to introduce some of the scenes, characters, and feel.
Also, really Firefly and Guardians have now set the bar? You really want to stand by that? I mean, they're cute and all but nothing on the scale and scope of Star Wars...nor will ever have the influence (to me, Guardians is just another, albeit solid and cute, Marvel superhero film). Don't let the prequels tear down what Star Wars is...ignore them. This is the Star Wars we've wanted since 1983.
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They just got done shooting the film, so this trailer isn't going to give much. Abrams, I think, is overrated and won't be able to give it a magic touch. My guess is that it is better than episodes 1-3, but falls a star short of the original trilogy. It's going to be tough to repeat original success. In order to do that, you'd have to risk almost reinventing things a bit with the franchise but I bet the studio exec pukes are too conservative to do that. Instead, they'll play it safe and gross the 1 billion worldwide.
Two words: Lawrence Kasdan.
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Two words: Lawrence Kasdan.
You made my day there. I haven't been following this much as to avoid all of the spoilers and leaked information. This, however, is a game changer. It reminded me of a tidbit, I read a few weeks ago. Anthony Daniels said this film would be better than Empire Strikes Back. Now that I have connected the dots with the trailer, it does seem quite dark - like sh*t really hits the fan. If that is the case then I just may have to bring an extra pair of underwear along in December 2015.
All I can say Aughnanure is that today is YOUR DAY. Do whatever you want, and if anyone challenges you just say that MDDG is 100% behind you.
May the Force Be With You
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Also, really Firefly and Guardians have no set the bar? I mean, they're cute and all but nothing on the scale and scope of Star Wars...nor will ever have the influence (to me, Guardians is just another, albeit solid and cute, Marvel superhero film). Don't let the prequels tear down what Star Wars is. This is the Star Wars we've wanted since 1983.
Firefly was televised perfection. I could wax about Guardians all day, but the real problem is that I've seen better Star Wars video game promos. This had no substance and no hook. Why should I have faith in this? Because it has stormtroopers? There is nothing here to convince me this is the Star Wars we've waited 30+ years for.
And Abrams isn't beyond reproach. Lost completely lost the plot for 2 seasons before somewhat redeeming itself. His latest show, Revolution, had horrible pacing and couldn't hold interest. His film track record is spotty, some good and some not so much.
I want this to be good, but I'm keeping my expectations low. And if it flops, Peter Quill will still be the coolest guy in space and Thanos will still be the baddest bad in the universe.
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Firefly was televised perfection. I could wax about Guardians all day, but the real problem is that I've seen better Star Wars video game promos. This had no substance and no hook. Why should I have faith in this? Because it has stormtroopers? There is nothing here to convince me this is the Star Wars we've waited 30+ years for.
And Abrams isn't beyond reproach. Lost completely lost the plot for 2 seasons before somewhat redeeming itself. His latest show, Revolution, had horrible pacing and couldn't hold interest. His film track record is spotty, some good and some not so much.
I want this to be good, but I'm keeping my expectations low. And if it flops, Peter Quill will still be the coolest guy in space and Thanos will still be the baddest bad in the universe.
Hmm, whatevs I guess I just disagree strongly. I liked Guardians, but I didn't think it was anything special. Fun, but looked cartoonish (Thanos) and fakey and that, to me, is not what Star Wars is (the prequels, yes). Love Chris Pratt though. I wanted the feel, and a tiny, hint, and that's what I got. Remember, this is an insanely far-out teaser for a movie, so I think understanding that would help.
No Abrams isn't beyond reproach. Super 8 disappointed me and his tendency to use twists and work backwards from there semi-concern me. I do think that him directing the first one (and not all 3), is a good sign. But the writers are there (Toy Story 3, Empire, Little Miss Sunshine), the cinematography will look great, and the director is not George Lucas.
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It felt more like Star Wars than anything I ever saw from the prequels. The X-Wings looked perfect. It has the grittiness factors of the original. The stormtroopers are back.
You were looking for too much. It's a teaser's teaser, it doesn't want to lay out the plot for you. For this, they still have over a year to build and keep the hype. Why give anything away so soon? All they needed was to introduce some of the scenes, characters, and feel.
Also, really Firefly and Guardians have now set the bar? You really want to stand by that? I mean, they're cute and all but nothing on the scale and scope of Star Wars...nor will ever have the influence (to me, Guardians is just another, albeit solid and cute, Marvel superhero film). Don't let the prequels tear down what Star Wars is...ignore them. This is the Star Wars we've wanted since 1983.
Which of course brings up the question ...... What is the franchise or film these days that immerses you into a different universe with great characters, soundtrack, and storyline? They are few and far between. Many critics have Empire Strikes Back as the #2 or #1 movie of all time, with Citizen Kane interchanging spots. It's difficult to come close to that high achievement. After taking these high standards into account and tempering the scale a bit - I'd say the last movie that got me close to being immersed in a different universe was Inception. The soundtrack, plot, special effects, and environment were revolutionary. Prior to that I'd go with Matrix. Both of these movies, though are in lower tiers of course. Any others you can think of to add?
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The first two Lord of the Rings movies were great for that. I'm still bitter about the unforgivable sin of leaving The Razing of the Shire out of Return of the King, so the third movie gets a big thumbs down.
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The first two Lord of the Rings movies were great for that. I'm still bitter about the unforgivable sin of leaving The Razing of the Shire out of Return of the King, so the third movie gets a big thumbs down.
Yup. 3rd LOTR was a step down from the previous 2.
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The first two Lord of the Rings movies were great for that. I'm still bitter about the unforgivable sin of leaving The Razing of the Shire out of Return of the King, so the third movie gets a big thumbs down.
Razing of the Shire would have been a great way to end the Two Towers.
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It was funny that RotK won all the awards. The first two LotR movies actually deserved best picture, but the third won it.
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It was funny that RotK won all the awards. The first two LotR movies actually deserved best picture, but the third won it.
I thin most voting members of the committee would tell you they didn't give the awards for the 3rd, so much as a reward for the trilogy as a whole. Jackson advanced film-making a lot with what he did throughout those movies
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Haven't seen the teaser yet, but about to watch.
Brew - it's a teaser, not a trailer. There is a subtle difference.
I'm really worried about these next 3. The biggest thing about the original trilogy was the writing and somewhat, the directing. When Lucas wasn't hands on with everything and there weren't the studio execs there are today, the movies were fantastic (the originals - specifically, Empire). But you can see Lucas wanted to control everything with LOTS of studio control for the prequels (pod racing? wtf?) and it became more of an action/fun flick than the "opera" that the originals were.
Where the rubber meets the road with this next trilogy is how much the studio lets the writers determine the course of the movie. I'm not a huge Abrams fan, but I am happy about his decision to use puppets, large-scale sets, large-scale models and other little decisions that follow much more with the originals than the prequels.
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I thin most voting members of the committee would tell you they didn't give the awards for the 3rd, so much as a reward for the trilogy as a whole. Jackson advanced film-making a lot with what he did throughout those movies
Oh, I fully realize that. As we left the theater I told my girlfriend "that festering turd is going to sweep the Oscars."
As far as the teaser I just wanted a little more. After the second trilogy, anything with Star Wars on the title needs to do more to convince me it will be worth the time. Though admittedly, I will go see it in theaters no matter how good or bad it is. Whether they redeem the franchise or make things worse, I'll still go see it. Because after all, it's Star Wars.
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Oh, I fully realize that. As we left the theater I told my girlfriend "that festering turd is going to sweep the Oscars."
As far as the teaser I just wanted a little more. After the second trilogy, anything with Star Wars on the title needs to do more to convince me it will be worth the time. Though admittedly, I will go see it in theaters no matter how good or bad it is. Whether they redeem the franchise or make things worse, I'll still go see it. Because after all, it's Star Wars.
I think you may need to think about it some more because the teaser set up a lot of questions. Theoretically this movie has to take place at least 25 years after Jedi. Why are here still Stormstoopers and ones with updated armor? Why is the rebel alliance still flying X-wings? If the remade version of VI is canon than Corusant fell with the destruction of DS2, what has become of the Empire? It all implies, especially with TIEs attacking the Falcon that the rebels are still rebels and the Empire is a major thing.
Biggest issue I have is they killed the EU, if not for that, episodes 1 and 2 might have killed my interest. The fact that there won't be any Zahn characters in the new movie sucks
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I was really hoping for years they would simply use the Timothy Zahn Thrawn Trilogy. The Grand Admiral was a fantastic villain and that whole storyline was a truly worthy successor to the first three movies. May need to re-read those, they were so damn good. And agreed on those characters not being included. I've always wanted to see Mara Jade introduced on the big screen.
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I was really hoping for years they would simply use the Timothy Zahn Thrawn Trilogy. The Grand Admiral was a fantastic villain and that whole storyline was a truly worthy successor to the first three movies. May need to re-read those, they were so damn good. And agreed on those characters not being included. I've always wanted to see Mara Jade introduced on the big screen.
Oh god no. They couldn't just go and copy the EU. That's the definition of unimaginative. I like that we have no idea where this could go...unlike the prequels where we all knew the end game.
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If they were going to do the EU, they needed to do it years and years ago. I knew they wouldn't do it now, but it would have made for fantastic movies if they'd been made mid-1990s, when the primary protagonists were still young enough.
The other problem I have is that it seems likely the new movies will undo the EU. I would be really disappointed if Lucas allowed all this stuff to be licensed and given his stamp of approval only to be undermined 20 years down the line.
I'll be disappointed if there are no EU references. I get that we won't see Thrawn, or Jade, or Talon Karrde, but I really hope they aren't just dismissed as non-existent. Even a whimsical look from Luke while talking about Mara (since Hamill is back) would be good enough.
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From what I have read/heard, they made the decision to make the EU non-canon simply so the writers/directors wouldn't be forced to go in a certain direction. However, they are taking a lot of inspiration and ideas from the EU for the movies, while allowing creative license to add/remove what they want for the movies.
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I was hoping for Thrawn as well.
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I liked Star Wars when I was 12 years old.....
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It's just a teaser trailer. I wish people would just enjoy it for what it is.
I remember when ep 1 came out (I was at MU) and my roommate at the time said "that's not star wars" and was really pissed off.
I loved Star Wars growing up too, but all I could think was, why are you so angry? It's 3 hours of your life. If you don't like it, don't go see the next one. And if it ruined your childhood then maybe seeing a therapist is a better use of your money.
I'm looking forward to the next 3 and seeing some of those original characters back on the screen.
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It's just a teaser trailer. I wish people would just enjoy it for what it is.
I remember when ep 1 came out (I was at MU) and my roommate at the time said "that's not star wars" and was really pissed off.
I loved Star Wars growing up too, but all I could think was, why are you so angry? It's 3 hours of your life. If you don't like it, don't go see the next one. And if it ruined your childhood then maybe seeing a therapist is a better use of your money.
I'm looking forward to the next 3 and seeing some of those original characters back on the screen.
Interesting question, if I wasn't lazy I'd do a poll, but how do the people feel about the original three coming back? I'm pretty hesitant about it, I could one or two, but I'm just concerned because I see only two possible paths, the plot revolves around the continuing adventures of the geriatric gang or we kill them early to establish significance and cut ties.
Or maybe JJ Abraham's will just use a time travel McGuffin to handle the ret-conning for him.
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Interesting question, if I wasn't lazy I'd do a poll, but how do the people feel about the original three coming back? I'm pretty hesitant about it, I could one or two, but I'm just concerned because I see only two possible paths, the plot revolves around the continuing adventures of the geriatric gang or we kill them early to establish significance and cut ties.
Or maybe JJ Abraham's will just use a time travel McGuffin to handle the ret-conning for him.
I see them as central characters, but more in the background with lesser screen time in higher profile positions in the rebellion while the new characters take the center stage in whatever event is going on and developing them for the next two films in the trilogy of the trilogy.
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I see them as central characters, but more in the background with lesser screen time in higher profile positions in the rebellion while the new characters take the center stage in whatever event is going on and developing them for the next two films in the trilogy of the trilogy.
This is likely but this still has me concerned....I know it's against a Galactic Empire, but how many Death Stars do they have to blow up and how many years is this rebellion going to go on?
Not to mention the issue of the new and improved* Episode 6 which at the end they clearly show the Empire on Corasant has fallen.
*actually made considerably worse
The plot line I kind of think it's going to be is that the Alliance has won and become the new central government and the Empire has become the rebellion but is being forced back to the Outer Rim where they "awaken" a Sith colony or something. Or I know nothing.
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This is likely but this still has me concerned....I know it's against a Galactic Empire, but how many Death Stars do they have to blow up and how many years is this rebellion going to go on?
Not to mention the issue of the new and improved* Episode 6 which at the end they clearly show the Empire on Corasant has fallen.
*actually made considerably worse
The plot line I kind of think it's going to be is that the Alliance has won and become the new central government and the Empire has become the rebellion but is being forced back to the Outer Rim where they "awaken" a Sith colony or something. Or I know nothing.
We're unfortunately just going to have to wait and see.
Until then, the Avengers 2 arrives May 1.
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Interesting question, if I wasn't lazy I'd do a poll, but how do the people feel about the original three coming back? I'm pretty hesitant about it, I could one or two, but I'm just concerned because I see only two possible paths, the plot revolves around the continuing adventures of the geriatric gang or we kill them early to establish significance and cut ties.
Or maybe JJ Abraham's will just use a time travel McGuffin to handle the ret-conning for him.
Umm how could you NOT have the original 3? I don't think they'll be the #1 focus (the trailer showed that), but they will be important in setting up the trilogy. I would've been beyond mad if they did this and either recast them or didn't bring them back.
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This is likely but this still has me concerned....I know it's against a Galactic Empire, but how many Death Stars do they have to blow up and how many years is this rebellion going to go on?
Not to mention the issue of the new and improved* Episode 6 which at the end they clearly show the Empire on Corasant has fallen.
*actually made considerably worse
The plot line I kind of think it's going to be is that the Alliance has won and become the new central government and the Empire has become the rebellion but is being forced back to the Outer Rim where they "awaken" a Sith colony or something. Or I know nothing.
God I hate that new ending, but I'd just ignore it. The Empire had thousands of ships across hundreds of systems, so they were definitely not just destroyed after one, albeit significant, battle (which makes that ending so much dumber). I would suspect they both control some wide swaths of the galaxy.
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We're unfortunately just going to have to wait and see.
Until then, the Avengers 2 arrives May 1.
Let's take this in a different nerd direction....Star Trek, Episode VII, and Avengers 2 come out on the same day, and you can only see one and that is the only one you are ever allowed to see....what is everyone picking? Feel free to add other sci-fi, comic, nerd movies
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Let's take this in a different nerd direction....Star Trek, Episode VII, and Avengers 2 come out on the same day, and you can only see one and that is the only one you are ever allowed to see....what is everyone picking? Feel free to add other sci-fi, comic, nerd movies
Avengers 2 (partially because my kids would not give my wife and I a choice) and it could possibly be a long afternoon in the theater.
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Umm how could you NOT have the original 3? I don't think they'll be the #1 focus (the trailer showed that), but they will be important in setting up the trilogy. I would've been beyond mad if they did this and either recast them or didn't bring them back.
Item #3 in Dan Silver's list sums my feelings on this pretty well
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/lightning-round-star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer/ (http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/lightning-round-star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer/)
Those characters were relatively frozen in time with the original trilogy and completely cemented with the EU(which we pretend I didn't spend hundreds of dollars of my parents money on books and RPG addendums). I'm terrified of how they will be different, because they will be. I know their "story" better than any other character on any other show/movie/novel and it will be very different and I just don't like it.
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Avengers 2 (partially because my kids would not give my wife and I a choice) and it could possibly be a long afternoon in the theater.
I think it's risk/reward. You know Avengers 2 will be good to great. Episode VII is either going to be amazing/mind altering or it's going to really piss me off...I'd have to go with Star Wars, plus that was always my main geek fix, Marvel Comics was a distant 2nd, I hated DC comics, and Star Trek is 3rd I guess.
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Let's take this in a different nerd direction....Star Trek, Episode VII, and Avengers 2 come out on the same day, and you can only see one and that is the only one you are ever allowed to see....what is everyone picking? Feel free to add other sci-fi, comic, nerd movies
Star Wars and it's not even close. And Star Wars is still bigger than all of them...even the prequels couldn't kill it.
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Star Wars and it's not even close. And Star Wars is still bigger than all of them...even the prequels couldn't kill it.
I'm with you.
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Let's take this in a different nerd direction....Star Trek, Episode VII, and Avengers 2 come out on the same day, and you can only see one and that is the only one you are ever allowed to see....what is everyone picking? Feel free to add other sci-fi, comic, nerd movies
Star Wars is the only one I'd care to see. Now if we were going with a break-even point of GOT episodes, I'd probably go with a season's worth. But if I couldn't read the book(s) those episodes covered either, then we're down to about three episodes.
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Star Wars no question.
Avengers second and Star Trek third.
As for the original characters, I read somewhere an idea that Luke had become like a hermit and would play more of a Yoda type role.
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Star Wars no question.
Avengers second and Star Trek third.
As for the original characters, I read somewhere an idea that Luke had become like a hermit and would play more of a Yoda type role.
That reminds me, are any of you nerds watching Star Wars Rebels on Disney DX? It's official canon now and at least they've established that holocron's are a thing....so that would be one way to relaunch the Jedi organization.
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Star Wars no question.
Avengers second and Star Trek third.
As for the original characters, I read somewhere an idea that Luke had become like a hermit and would play more of a Yoda type role.
Yeah. I mean Star Wars was born on the big screen and is arguably the single biggest movie-going cultural event in history. Star Trek was born on television and the Avengers in comics. Star Wars owns this medium.
Plus, as someone who grew up with the original trilogy this is the movie I have been waiting for my entire life. The prequels were exciting to get, but I always wanted to see Luke and X-Wings and the Millennium Falcon again. I really never thought this was ever going to happen and the fact that it is now coming true is amazing.
On Luke, heard a semi-similar thing. The main group basically has to go on a mission to find him as he hasn't been seen in a long long while. I'm trying reaaallly hard though not to hear any spoilers.
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Let's take this in a different nerd direction....Star Trek, Episode VII, and Avengers 2 come out on the same day, and you can only see one and that is the only one you are ever allowed to see....what is everyone picking? Feel free to add other sci-fi, comic, nerd movies
Avengers 2, no question, because Joss Whedon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JJ Abrams
Times, like, a thousand. Also, because the MCU has yet to serve a massive let-down. I hate to hold Lucas' failings against Abrams, but it is what it is.
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I dont get the JJ Abrams hate. Not a great movie person but LOST was the best TV show I have ever watched. I have hope.
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I dont get the JJ Abrams hate. Not a great movie person but LOST was the best TV show I have ever watched. I have hope.
I don't hate Abrams, but I don't trust he will automatically give me a great product. He's done some good stuff, but has also had some stuff that just didn't resonate. Lost is a great example, it started fantastic, lost its way, then came back strong at the end (after they lost most of their audience). Some of his movies have been good, some have been at best questionable, but that's not the case with Whedon.
Buffy & Angel may not be for everyone, but they were fantastic television. Firefly is one of the best shows of the past two decades, but fell victim to horrible marketing. His work with Marvel has been stellar. He's like Bryan Singer, one of those guys I just trust to make a great product every time out.
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Avengers 2, no question, because Joss Whedon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JJ Abrams
Times, like, a thousand. Also, because the MCU has yet to serve a massive let-down. I hate to hold Lucas' failings against Abrams, but it is what it is.
I don't have a negative opinion of JJ Abrams but I do think Joss Whedon is the bomb diggity, Firefly is hands down my favorite sci-fi tv show of all time(with the reimaged BSG 2nd...what is everyone laughing at it was a great show!). Those two shows are perfect examples of how networks can complete screw everything up and can't get out of their own way.
I don't understand how you can link Lucas' insanity to what Abrams has yet to deliver? Besides, while I don't like the way I, II, and III turned out, without knowing the result, I would have picked them over Avengers 2. And keep in mind, the degree of difficulty is harder for Star Wars than MCU.
MCU has a ton of source material and, yes Joss has to navigate the fanboy-dom of putting nerd easter eggs and telling a cohesive story but the bar isn't that high for the general public. Star Wars(with the death of EU) is a blank page with MASSIVE expectations especially given the overwrought nature of the internet response to the new trilogy it is insanely more difficult and potentially much more rewarding.
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I don't get the obsession with Whedon. I mean, I think the films are fine but they're not some stellar untouchable masterpiece as everyone seems to act like they are. Maybe I've been over saturated with the superhero genre and am honestly bored with the concept (how does your world have till problems if Thor, Ironman, Hulk, and Captain America are teamed up?). I also absolutely hated how the Avengers basically asked you to see 14 films before that one in order to get all the characters. That's a lot to ask any movie-goer and they didn't explain a lot to someone who hadn't seen every single one. I remember going "who the hell is this guy?" and "what the hell is this thing" all the time.
On Abrams, I see that he does a great job beginning something and a pretty sketchy track-record for how to close it out (Super 8, LOST, Into Darkness) ...which is why I think giving him #7 is perfect. I hope they use 3 different directors for all 3 a la the OT.
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I don't get the obsession with Whedon. I mean, I think the films are fine but they're not some stellar untouchable masterpiece as everyone seems to act like they are. Maybe I've been over saturated with the superhero genre and am honestly bored with the concept (how does your world have till problems if Thor, Ironman, Hulk, and Captain America are teamed up?). I also absolutely hated how the Avengers basically asked you to see 14 films before that one in order to get all the characters. That's a lot to ask any movie-goer and they didn't explain a lot to someone who hadn't seen every single one. I remember going "who the hell is this guy?" and "what the hell is this thing" all the time.
On Abrams, I see that he does a great job beginning something and a pretty sketchy track-record for how to close it out (Super 8, LOST, Into Darkness) ...which is why I think giving him #7 is perfect. I hope they use 3 different directors for all 3 a la the OT.
Aughnanure - I think I read somewhere that two other directors are slated for Parts 8 & 9. I think it was Rolling Stone's recent HOT 2014 list. Apparently the hot thing for movie studios was signing an indie film director who made an award winning film festival movie (or something) and giving him something bigger to direct. Mentioned Guardians of the Galaxy and several other movies. If I can find I'll post.
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Rian Johnson, best known for work on Breaking Bad, is slated to direct Episode VIII.
Good point on Abrams starting strong and fizzling, that unfortunate trait could play to his favor. I look forward to both movies, but I'm far more of a Whedon fanboy, which I freely admit.
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I don't think Disney/Star Wars/et al care about what y'all think.
#1) You're still going to see it.
#2) You're still going to talk about it until it's release, and probably still after that!
I enjoyed the teaser the second time around. The first time made me jump out of my seat and yell, "THAT'S IT?!" But it was meant for you to WANT more.
#DoneDeal
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You made my day there. I haven't been following this much as to avoid all of the spoilers and leaked information. This, however, is a game changer. It reminded me of a tidbit, I read a few weeks ago. Anthony Daniels said this film would be better than Empire Strikes Back. Now that I have connected the dots with the trailer, it does seem quite dark - like sh*t really hits the fan. If that is the case then I just may have to bring an extra pair of underwear along in December 2015.
All I can say Aughnanure is that today is YOUR DAY. Do whatever you want, and if anyone challenges you just say that MDDG is 100% behind you.
May the Force Be With You
...and with your Midi-chlorians
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Rian Johnson, best known for work on Breaking Bad, is slated to direct Episode VIII.
Good point on Abrams starting strong and fizzling, that unfortunate trait could play to his favor. I look forward to both movies, but I'm far more of a Whedon fanboy, which I freely admit.
Johnson also directed Looper, which is AWE-some.
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I'll be honest. I'm looking forward to quite a few films next year. Avengers 2 & the Marvel slate, Star Wars, the next James Bond ---- there was a bunch more but I need to look at the list of what else is due in 2015. My kids are already raving about the Minion Movie.
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I'll be honest. I'm looking forward to quite a few films next year. Avengers 2 & the Marvel slate, Star Wars, the next James Bond ---- there was a bunch more but I need to look at the list of what else is due in 2015. My kids are already raving about the Minion Movie.
Along with Avengers, Star Wars, and James Bond the following films will also be released in 2015:
Mad Max
Tomorrowland
Jurassic World
Finding Dory
Terminator
Ant-Man
Hunger Games
Pan
Mission Impossible
World of Warcraft (no, really)
Fantastic Four
Peanuts
50 Shades of Grey
Fast and Furious 7
...it's really pretty ridiculous.
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Along with Avengers, Star Wars, and James Bond the following films will also be released in 2015:
Mad Max
Tomorrowland
Jurassic World
Finding Dory
Terminator
Ant-Man
Hunger Games
Pan
Mission Impossible
World of Warcraft (no, really)
Fantastic Four
Peanuts
50 Shades of Grey
Fast and Furious 7
...it's really pretty ridiculous.
Mad Max is going to be amazeballs.
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Mad Max is going to be amazeballs.
There was a Mad Max trailer on some DVD the wife and I watched last week. Action packed for sure.
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There was a Mad Max trailer on some DVD the wife and I watched last week. Action packed for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/v/yJnPg2_Y_UI
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I know this is going to sound ironic as hell given how much I've been carrying on about a new Star Wars movie....but what the damn hell is up with just constant reboots? Mad Max, really? That's something we need to reboot? Hell, Fast and Furious came out 15 years ago shouldn't we reboot that now instead of having a 7th????
Of that list 5 out of 17 are reboots and 7 out of the remaining 12 are sequels and 3 out the remain 5 coming from previously established source material. Sweet gentle unique baby elephants! Why can't we come up with new Mad Max type original movies????
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I know this is going to sound ironic as hell given how much I've been carrying on about a new Star Wars movie....but what the damn hell is up with just constant reboots? Mad Max, really? That's something we need to reboot? Hell, Fast and Furious came out 15 years ago shouldn't we reboot that now instead of having a 7th????
Of that list 5 out of 17 are reboots and 7 out of the remaining 12 are sequels and 3 out the remain 5 coming from previously established source material. Sweet gentle unique baby elephants! Why can't we come up with new Mad Max type original movies????
Isn't the director of the new Mad Max the same as the first three movies? Is it a re-boot?
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Isn't the director of the new Mad Max the same as the first three movies? Is it a re-boot?
Now that I dig a little deeper, I guess it's a sequel...didn't know that. I semi-retract my previous outrage. So 4 out of 17 are reboots.
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Now that I dig a little deeper, I guess it's a sequel...didn't know that. I semi-retract my previous outrage. So 4 out of 17 are reboots.
And all except 3 are some sort of sequel/reboot. There's a reason why we're in the golden age of television.
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And all except 3 are some sort of sequel/reboot. There's a reason why we're in the golden age of television.
Sadly, even television has struggled with the advent of the cheap production costs and high ratings of reality TV. We're lucky for HBO, Showtime, and AMC among others. Very glad for the cable networksx and the new Netflix stuff.
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Sadly, even television has struggled with the advent of the cheap production costs and high ratings of reality TV. We're lucky for HBO, Showtime, and AMC among others. Very glad for the cable networksx and the new Netflix stuff.
Little off-topic, but Alpha House on Amazon has been a really fun watch.
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Little off-topic, but Alpha House on Amazon has been a really fun watch.
Been meaning to get Prime. I'll have to check it out.
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Been meaning to get Prime. I'll have to check it out.
Prime is easily the greatest thing that has happened to me.
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Prime is easily the greatest thing that has happened to me.
Have Prime and Netflix but I'm struggling to get everything watched I have on DVR let alone getting to Prime or Netflix. Haven't watched any of the Prime or Netflix original content.
I suppose I could always drop the podcast, that'd free up some time.
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I suppose I could always drop the podcast, that'd free up some time.
+1
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New Mad Max trailer.
drroooooooollllllllll
http://gizmodo.com/the-new-mad-max-looks-like-a-fun-explosion-filled-ride-1669423544
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Prime is easily the greatest thing that has happened to me.
Truth.
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Anyone else see the photo from the new Star Wars of Mark Hamil looking like Obi Wan?
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Sadly, even television has struggled with the advent of the cheap production costs and high ratings of reality TV. We're lucky for HBO, Showtime, and AMC among others. Very glad for the cable networksx and the new Netflix stuff.
Last network show I watched was NYPD Blue.
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I know this is going to sound ironic as hell given how much I've been carrying on about a new Star Wars movie....but what the damn hell is up with just constant reboots? Mad Max, really? That's something we need to reboot? Hell, Fast and Furious came out 15 years ago shouldn't we reboot that now instead of having a 7th????
Of that list 5 out of 17 are reboots and 7 out of the remaining 12 are sequels and 3 out the remain 5 coming from previously established source material. Sweet gentle unique baby elephants! Why can't we come up with new Mad Max type original movies????
Simple. New audiences are made every day.
Most 4th grade students haven't seen Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Pinocchio, and other Disney classics.
Pixar has been associated with Disney for the entirety of their lives.
That's why Transformers, GI Joe, etc. have worked: appeals as a novelty to younger crowds as well as nostalgia for the rest of us.
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I know this is going to sound ironic as hell given how much I've been carrying on about a new Star Wars movie....but what the damn hell is up with just constant reboots? Mad Max, really? That's something we need to reboot? Hell, Fast and Furious came out 15 years ago shouldn't we reboot that now instead of having a 7th????
Of that list 5 out of 17 are reboots and 7 out of the remaining 12 are sequels and 3 out the remain 5 coming from previously established source material. Sweet gentle unique baby elephants! Why can't we come up with new Mad Max type original movies????
What's old is new.
And yes, Mad Max needs a reboot. So does Blade Runner
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What's old is new.
And yes, Mad Max needs a reboot. So does Blade Runner
Mad max is getting one. Trailer looks good
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Anyone else see the photo from the new Star Wars of Mark Hamil looking like Obi Wan?
I did...apparently the beard was a contractual obligation.
Here's a pic of him photoshopped into Jedi robes:
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--b7ckE2LR--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/w4xalikhxwwc4tcrnzor.jpg)
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Mad max is getting one. Trailer looks good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEJnMQG9ev8
Hey mods - seems youtube has moved on from the old embed code... perhaps we could update our ability too?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEJnMQG9ev8
Hey mods - seems youtube has moved on from the old embed code... perhaps we could update our ability too?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=25774.msg717253#msg717253
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http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=25774.msg717253#msg717253
Thanks Rocky
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NEW TRAILER!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngElkyQ6Rhs
http://www.youtube.com/v/ngElkyQ6Rhs?hl=en_US&version=3&start=120
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NEW TRAILER!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngElkyQ6Rhs
http://www.youtube.com/v/ngElkyQ6Rhs?hl=en_US&version=3&start=120
Surprised there wasn't move discussion of this. This trailer is so freakin' cool and I can't stop watching it.
One thing I noticed, looks like the X-Wings are upgraded....the engines are half moons on the "new" version in the trailer compared to the full moon on the legacy movies.
Similar when the F-18 went from Bug to the Rhino variant.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSayPW2k8IlENNAVsm_W8mmdsn9aQnpyqOZVVKeG1tmzMwwXatQ4A)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFpF8eeJQm44gwdWgdMrVYsRIBAq-LJIrGPyroll9o0Ec5WKmURw)
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Did anyone catch Avengers, Age of Ultron over the weekend?
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Did anyone catch Avengers, Age of Ultron over the weekend?
Yes, saw it Sunday in a packed house. Entertaining. CGI overload, but that was expected. Fairly witty....thumbs up from the family.
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Yes, saw it Sunday in a packed house. Entertaining. CGI overload, but that was expected. Fairly witty....thumbs up from the family.
I saw after the Derby in a packed theater also. My family & I concur. More humorous than I expected and I think there was far more below the CGI surface than critics were stating in reviews.
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Did anyone catch Avengers, Age of Ultron over the weekend?
I did, went Sunday morning. It was good, but not as good as the first Avengers movie or Guardians. James Spader stole the show and I really liked the introduction of the twins. It felt like Hawkeye was the star, which I felt worked well, especially after he was Loki's pawn most of the last movie.
Ultron made a fantastic villain, but while the last Avengers felt like a destination piece, this felt like a place-setter. You could see the groundwork laid for Civil War and Infinity Gauntlet. It showed how the Avengers will evolve over the years.
On a rating scale, I'd probably give it 3 stars. Good, just not as good as its predecessors. However in a few years time, it will definitely be one we look back at as very significant.
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One more note on the humor in Age of Ultron: at times it felt forced. I know that witty banter goes part and parcel with comic books, but there were a lot of mid-battle jokes that for me fit better on the printed page than the big screen. Probably plays well with the younger crowd though.
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Saw it last night.
No need to watch it in IMAX 3D. Unless you're in an IMAX theater.
Good movie. Not a Marvel fanboy but was an avid comic book reader in my youth.
The build up to Thanos is really coming along. My only concern is the limited of time they have to film the other Avengers movies before they have to cycle out the main actors. The first one was released three years ago.
I don't think I can take watching Scarlett Johansson in her early 40s do the stuff she did in her late 20s.
Not that I don't WANT to but eventually the comic book phase of movies will wane only to resurrect again.
Too much comic book stuff out there now. Not that's it's a bad thing, but people crave for something different and unique. Sometimes, superhero movies start to become the same...
Strong recommendation for Avengers, though. It's necessary to watch if you've watched some of the other movies (Thor, Captain America, Avengers, Iron Man).
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Don't worry.. they've got a TON more movies scheduled. Look here:
http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/marvel/237462/full-marvel-movie-release-calendar
The studios better hope the comic book craze keeps going.
And that's just Marvel. Doesn't even include Batman/Superman/DC. Fantastic 4 reboot is coming out soon as well.
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The build up to Thanos is really coming along. My only concern is the limited of time they have to film the other Avengers movies before they have to cycle out the main actors. The first one was released three years ago.
I don't think I can take watching Scarlett Johansson in her early 40s do the stuff she did in her late 20s.
Not that I don't WANT to but eventually the comic book phase of movies will wane only to resurrect again.
Too much comic book stuff out there now. Not that's it's a bad thing, but people crave for something different and unique. Sometimes, superhero movies start to become the same...
Strong recommendation for Avengers, though. It's necessary to watch if you've watched some of the other movies (Thor, Captain America, Avengers, Iron Man).
I'm sure they have succession plans. Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr may be done after Civil War, but they'll easily put someone else behind the shield (Sebastian Stan) and while War Machine likely moves into focus for Infinity War, by the time 2020 rolls around, Ty Simpkins (the kid from Iron Man 3) will be 18 and could be a Stark replacement.
Scarlett Johansson will also probably fade away with other prominent female leads like Captain Marvel, Medusa, and Quake will be become bigger players. We could also see a female Thor after Ragnarok. And there is also an Inhuman Black Widow replacement down the line.
It's funny, I remember the outrage when comic companies first toyed around with killing and replacing their big heroes, but now that may be what sustains their ability to survive worry long term Hollywood franchises.
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Got a Scoop warning that this topic was too old....pish posh
So let's geek out about the new trailer. Any thoughts or theories? Did anyone watch this thing like 20 times last night and another 6 this morning? Yeah, me neither....that was a dorky friend of mine, just wanted to make sure you guys were cooler than him...awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE)
I'm currently operating under the theory that Jakku might be a destroyed Endor or something of that ilk
Also concerned that this centers around yet another massive, evil weapon system. Best Star Wars movie by far had nothing to do with destroying planets or systems. Is Wedge Antilles gonna come out of retirement to destroy this one too??
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Got a Scoop warning that this topic was too old....pish posh
So let's geek out about the new trailer. Any thoughts or theories? Did anyone watch this thing like 20 times last night and another 6 this morning? Yeah, me neither....that was a dorky friend of mine, just wanted to make sure you guys were cooler than him...awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE)
I'm currently operating under the theory that Jakku might be a destroyed Endor or something of that ilk
Also concerned that this centers around yet another massive, evil weapon system. Best Star Wars movie by far had nothing to do with destroying planets or systems. Is Wedge Antilles gonna come out of retirement to destroy this one too??
I don't believe you for a second Phil. ::)
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Help me out here...What's the appeal of the Star Wars movies? I've seen a couple of them and thought they were, at best, meh. I just don't get it.
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Help me out here...What's the appeal of the Star Wars movies? I've seen a couple of them and thought they were, at best, meh. I just don't get it.
Which ones did you see and how old are you/when did you see them?
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Which ones did you see and how old are you/when did you see them?
I saw the original 3 as a kid (age 12ish) and one of the newer ones. I've seen A New Hope a couple of times, including once this summer (I'm 34).
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I saw the original 3 as a kid (age 12ish) and one of the newer ones. I've seen A New Hope a couple of times, including once this summer (I'm 34).
Guess I don't have a great answer for you then because I'm 35, and watched the original trilogy when I was 8 and have been fascinated by it ever since. Read the books(that don't matter now apparently) read the comics(which also don't matter) and just got into the overall "universe".
Are you generally a sci-fi/fantasy person? That could be part of it...I'm pretty deep into the sci-fi nerd realm so that might be part of the attachment.
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I was very skeptical when I heard that Disney had bought the franchise and was planning more movies. Then Abrams was picked to direct. IMO, they have done a masterful job of building interest. My wife and I are already planning when, over Christmas break, that we will take the whole family. I cannot ever remember planning movie attendance two months out.
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I was very skeptical when I heard that Disney had bought the franchise and was planning more movies. Then Abrams was picked to direct. IMO, they have done a masterful job of building interest. My wife and I are already planning when, over Christmas break, that we will take the whole family. I cannot ever remember planning movie attendance two months out.
That's an interesting point....JJ may be a better campaigner than he is director(remember Cloverfield and the marketing??). So the question/concern is, they have a lot ton of audience and money coming their way, will they be able to deliver a movie that the audience will like. I honestly think the demand/anticipation for this movie is way more than any of the new trilogy which is amazing considering what a dump they were, especially the first one(my yet to be born son won't even see Episode 1....its straight up Machete order for him)
So does JJ pull off a movie that will have the audience revved up or disappointed? I'm going to have money and parental capital on the line since my wife isn't really interested and I'm having to talk her into me leaving her for many hours on opening night to go watch my "nerd porn" while she is stuck at home with our likely 4 week old kid.
JJ better f'ing deliver :)
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That's an interesting point....JJ may be a better campaigner than he is director(remember Cloverfield and the marketing??). So the question/concern is, they have a lot ton of audience and money coming their way, will they be able to deliver a movie that the audience will like. I honestly think the demand/anticipation for this movie is way more than any of the new trilogy which is amazing considering what a dump they were, especially the first one(my yet to be born son won't even see Episode 1....its straight up Machete order for him)
So does JJ pull off a movie that will have the audience revved up or disappointed? I'm going to have money and parental capital on the line since my wife isn't really interested and I'm having to talk her into me leaving her for many hours on opening night to go watch my "nerd porn" while she is stuck at home with our likely 4 week old kid.
JJ better f'ing deliver :)
His reboot of Star Trek is still one of my favorite movies, probably top 5-7. I'm confident, but agree he knows the pressure is on, and from what I have read, he is going in opposite direction of eps 1-3 of of fancy special effect creatures talking and crap... Trailers look great
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His reboot of Star Trek is still one of my favorite movies, probably top 5-7. I'm confident, but agree he knows the pressure is on, and from what I have read, he is going in opposite direction of eps 1-3 of of fancy special effect creatures talking and crap... Trailers look great
I agree, the Star Trek reboot was awesome....his cover of Wrath of Kahn was fine but not nearly as good. As long as he isn't working off too much source material he should be good.
I'm curious to see how much, if any, lore from the old expanded series JJ brings into the story. As an example, Poe Damereon seems to be a Corran Horn fighter pilot who leads a Wraith Squadron type group (espionage + starfighters).
Side note, Black Squadron....really? That's the name of his squadron. We go from Red and Yellow(lame) to Rogue(so bada$$) to Black(even more lame)....just name it Wraith Squadron and watch the fan boys go nuts.
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I was kinda taken at the lack of Luke in the trailer or movie poster.
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I was kinda taken at the lack of Luke in the trailer or movie poster.
In a good or bad way?
I'm assuming Luke is a MacGuffin for Episode 7. Also glad the Kylo Ren=Luke Skywalker crap is dead as a result of the trailer.
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If they go back to the relatively simple story lines, and separation between good and evil, from 4-6 they will be fine. 1-3 was too dark and nuanced, which is why I felt they were written more for hard core fans than casual movie-goers. (But ended up satisfying neither.)
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I really liked the original three -- I'm of that age -- but didn't see the prequels (although I saw part of the first one). I can't help but wonder if that will affect how I experience the new ones. I honestly don't really want to go back and watch the I-III (who could blame me -- it's not like they're beloved) but I'm considering it because I'm kind of excited for VII. Have any of you die hards heard anything about whether that context will be helpful? Obviously, the back story (which hadn't been written yet) wasn't necessary for IV-VI, but I suspect it will be helpful for the new movies. For example: who the hell is Kylo Ren? Is he from I-III?
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I really liked the original three -- I'm of that age -- but didn't see the prequels (although I saw part of the first one). I can't help but wonder if that will affect how I experience the new ones. I honestly don't really want to go back and watch the I-III (who could blame me -- it's not like they're beloved) but I'm considering it because I'm kind of excited for VII. Have any of you die hards heard anything about whether that context will be helpful? Obviously, the back story (which hadn't been written yet) wasn't necessary for IV-VI, but I suspect it will be helpful for the new movies. For example: who the hell is Kylo Ren? Is he from I-III?
Don't think you'll need to see the prequels(there might be some minor connections to be made but not something you'd be lost). I do think the prequels did try to easter egg the crap of the movies for fanboys and it was horrible. That's where JJ's Star Trek reboot was a great movie...it had a legit plot for new comers but had a lot of subtle callbacks for legacy fans.
Kylo Ren, Supreme Leader Snope, General Hux and Captain Phasma are all new villains that aren't in the prequels but might be slightly connected somehow.
If you are going to rewatch the movies, watch them in this order: IV, V, II, III, VI
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If you are going to rewatch the movies, watch them in this order: IV, V, II, III, VI
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If you are going to rewatch the movies, watch them in this order: IV, V, II, III, VI
Fixed.
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If you are going to rewatch the movies, watch them in this order: IV, V, II, III, VI
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Machete order or GTFO
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I'm actually a fan if JJ. I think it's great that he's directing episode 7 because based on LOST his ability to start something is unrivaled but his closing leaves things to be desired. Episode 7 is the best one for him to direct.
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Machete order or GTFO
Amen....I knew you had to be trolling around here still ;)
Any thoughts on VII yet?
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I'm actually a fan if JJ. I think it's great that he's directing episode 7 because based on LOST his ability to start something is unrivaled but his closing leaves things to be desired. Episode 7 is the best one for him to direct.
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Apparently there is cut put together by the actor Topher Grace, a giant SW nerd of eps 1-3 into one movie.
http://www.slashfilm.com/topher-grace-edited-star-wars-prequels-85minute-movie/
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I think Luke was in the trailer. Watch it again.
Fwiw, I think he'll be in episode 7 very little, perhaps toward the end. Play more of a role in 8, 9
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If you are going to rewatch the movies, watch them in this order: IV, V, II, III, VI
It's a good way to watch them if you haven't already seen them. But I'd argue for a rewatch, release order is fine (your choice on watching 1 or not)
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I think Luke was in the trailer. Watch it again.
Fwiw, I think he'll be in episode 7 very little, perhaps toward the end. Play more of a role in 8, 9
I suspect he's in the trailer (hooded with robot hand on R2) but we don't know for sure. I do agree, he is basically the object that drives the plot in VII I think
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I suspect he's in the trailer (hooded with robot hand on R2) but we don't know for sure. I do agree, he is basically the object that drives the plot in VII I think
Possibly, possible.
Hoping they're not setting up another Luke savior
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Possibly, possible.
Hoping they're not setting up another Luke savior
My guess? Luke made an attempt at starting another Jedi Academy, in some secret (seeing as how the Empire is still wildly powerful). His first pupil was Kylo Ren. Ren turned to the dark side. Luke got scared either he, himself, would become corrupted or he would train another who would go dark, so he stopped. He then went the Yoda/Obi-wan path of hermit. Episode 7 will be focused on the two force-sensitive children being led by Solo to find Luke.
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My guess? Luke made an attempt at starting another Jedi Academy, in some secret (seeing as how the Empire is still wildly powerful). His first pupil was Kylo Ren. Ren turned to the dark side. Luke got scared either he, himself, would become corrupted or he would train another who would go dark, so he stopped. He then went the Yoda/Obi-wan path of hermit. Episode 7 will be focused on the two force-sensitive children being led by Solo to find Luke.
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I was very skeptical when I heard that Disney had bought the franchise and was planning more movies. Then Abrams was picked to direct. IMO, they have done a masterful job of building interest. My wife and I are already planning when, over Christmas break, that we will take the whole family. I cannot ever remember planning movie attendance two months out.
Picking up Disney stock a few months ago at $90 was probably a good move, ain't a'?
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Thanks chick ;)
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My guess? Luke made an attempt at starting another Jedi Academy, in some secret (seeing as how the Empire is still wildly powerful). His first pupil was Kylo Ren. Ren turned to the dark side. Luke got scared either he, himself, would become corrupted or he would train another who would go dark, so he stopped. He then went the Yoda/Obi-wan path of hermit. Episode 7 will be focused on the two force-sensitive children being led by Solo to find Luke.
There was a novel trilogy of the beginnings of the New Jedi Order, and of course Luke lost a few.
But the trailer speaks of the force, Jedi, dark side as non-existent. VII is only set 30 years after the Endor bonfire. So they're not following that too closely.
Pretty sure all of the EU was abandoned, but they're taking bits and pieces.
Personally, hoping Kylo Ren is Jacen Solo.
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There was a novel trilogy of the beginnings of the New Jedi Order, and of course Luke lost a few.
But the trailer speaks of the force, Jedi, dark side as non-existent. VII is only set 30 years after the Endor bonfire. So they're not following that too closely.
Pretty sure all of the EU was abandoned, but they're taking bits and pieces.
Personally, hoping Kylo Ren is Jacen Solo.
If you recall, in episode 4, the "force" was considered an "ancient religion" that no one supposedly believed in - biggest example being the guy that vader force-chokes at the beginning. Seeing as how there was only Vader, Palpatine, Luke and Obi-wan around, it's not hard to imagine that the force has been absent as an idea.
Basically, not much has changed from 4-5-6 to 7 in terms of how the force is noted by the majority.
Yes, EU was turned non-canon. Only thing that is "official" is Episodes 1-6, The Clone Wars cartoon and the Star Wars Rebels cartoon. Agreed that they'll take ideas from the EU.
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Last bit, Luke is definitely saving Finn at the end of that trailer. Might be the only time he is seen.
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If you recall, in episode 4, the "force" was considered an "ancient religion" that no one supposedly believed in - biggest example being the guy that vader force-chokes at the beginning. Seeing as how there was only Vader, Palpatine, Luke and Obi-wan around, it's not hard to imagine that the force has been absent as an idea.
Basically, not much has changed from 4-5-6 to 7 in terms of how the force is noted by the majority.
Yes, EU was turned non-canon. Only thing that is "official" is Episodes 1-6, The Clone Wars cartoon and the Star Wars Rebels cartoon. Agreed that they'll take ideas from the EU.
If you think about it, 19 years based between the events of 3 and the start of 4 and I think like 6-7 passes during 4-6, and then 7 is based 30 years after 6.....so a reasonable timeline is 55 years between peak Jedi Order and the start of the Force Awakens.....plus it wasn't like there was a Jedi on every planet. Additionally, even the Jedi were a little shaky on the Sith thing. You throw in that it is a ginormous galaxy and 20 years of Empire rule with their propaganda and controlling information and outright enslavement.....I get why people think they are myths.
The Star Wars Rebel cartoon will be interesting.....at some point they are going to have to kill the kid and his teacher since its "cannon" that Luke is the last Jedi Knight.
I'm guessing instead of a Jedi Academy scenario, Luke ran into a couple of fights or incidents where he nearly turned and decides become a recluse to prevent further death and destruction.
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If you think about it, 19 years based between the events of 3 and the start of 4 and I think like 6-7 passes during 4-6, and then 7 is based 30 years after 6.....so a reasonable timeline is 55 years between peak Jedi Order and the start of the Force Awakens.....plus it wasn't like there was a Jedi on every planet. Additionally, even the Jedi were a little shaky on the Sith thing. You throw in that it is a ginormous galaxy and 20 years of Empire rule with their propaganda and controlling information and outright enslavement.....I get why people think they are myths.
The Star Wars Rebel cartoon will be interesting.....at some point they are going to have to kill the kid and his teacher since its "cannon" that Luke is the last Jedi Knight.
I'm guessing instead of a Jedi Academy scenario, Luke ran into a couple of fights or incidents where he nearly turned and decides become a recluse to prevent further death and destruction.
Yea. I was just pointing out how things aren't much difference between episode 4-5-6 and now 7 in the galaxy's view of the force/jedi/sith.
Agreed on Rebels. I just got caught up with it. Not only the kid and his master, but Asohka as well will have to die. Also, according to that show, there are other Jedi out there still. However, that show will likely be goign for several more seasons, beyond the release of 7 and maybe 8/9. So they have time to get everything in order before ending it.
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Good stuff here
http://mashable.com/2015/10/21/the-force-awakens-jedi/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link#JPl.l.7EN5qp
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Help me out here...What's the appeal of the Star Wars movies? I've seen a couple of them and thought they were, at best, meh. I just don't get it.
I've seen them all as they came out. The first two were while I was in High School and I thought they were phenomenal at the time. They lost me in the third one (Episode 6) when the storm troopers couldn't beat overgrown gerbils throwing rocks. I'd like to see the Storm Troopers battle Middle-Earth Orcs because I don't think anyone would win.
I saw the prequel trilogy because by then I had an interested young son, but didn't care for them at all. I'm not all that excited about the new triology, but I will see them if the buzz is good once they come out.
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Yea. I was just pointing out how things aren't much difference between episode 4-5-6 and now 7 in the galaxy's view of the force/jedi/sith.
Agreed on Rebels. I just got caught up with it. Not only the kid and his master, but Asohka as well will have to die. Also, according to that show, there are other Jedi out there still. However, that show will likely be goign for several more seasons, beyond the release of 7 and maybe 8/9. So they have time to get everything in order before ending it.
It will be interesting, because prior to the rise of the empire, the Jedi sought children who were force sensitive and brought them back to be trained.
A. there seemingly weren't a ton of force sensitive people
B. Those people don't go away just because the jedi and/or sith aren't there any more.
At the start of E-VII there have to be people who are unaware or accidentally using their force powers. The Knights of Ren(of which Kylo is apart) are some sort of wanna be sith, they might be swelling their ranks which may force a new creation of the jedi....I wonder if that's the driving arc for the 3 movies.
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Which ones did you see and how old are you/when did you see them?
Opened the thread with a "wtf? 7 pages about a SarWars trailer?" and was very glad to see it started 18 months ago. In my house my wife (8yrs younger) and kids LOVE Star Wars and I cannot stand it. For me, the overarching story line is absolutely brilliant but the acting, script, and 'cute' characters are too bad for the story line to overcome.
What's funny is that How I Met Your Mother absolutely nailed it for us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHe1Nwb8zr4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHe1Nwb8zr4). I'm on the left side of the Ewok line and she's on the right. It doesn't specifically apply if you are 34 but it might help explain the lack of enthusiasm for the series.
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I still remember seeing Episode 4 in the theaters as an 8 year old.
All those Star Wars figures my brother and I had are still in my moms basement and apparently a few are valuable.
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So, who is planning on going to a midnight showing? Who already has their tickets? Who has made it part of their Christmas plans?
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I have a ticket for Monday at 10a.
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I have a ticket for Monday at 10a.
You going IMAX 3D or regular?
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Opened the thread with a "wtf? 7 pages about a SarWars trailer?" and was very glad to see it started 18 months ago. In my house my wife (8yrs younger) and kids LOVE Star Wars and I cannot stand it. For me, the overarching story line is absolutely brilliant but the acting, script, and 'cute' characters are too bad for the story line to overcome.
That sentence is so simple but that might just be the reason I can't get into these movies. I really enjoy the overall story line and want to like the movies, but the total ridiculousness involved is just too much for me.
What's funny is that How I Met Your Mother absolutely nailed it for us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHe1Nwb8zr4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHe1Nwb8zr4). I'm on the left side of the Ewok line and she's on the right. It doesn't specifically apply if you are 34 but it might help explain the lack of enthusiasm for the series.
The ducky tie.
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How far out on the calendar can you buy tickets for?
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If you aren't much of a Star Wars fan, I've got something else you can camp out for. About 6 blocks from where I work, there is a line forming in front of the Jumpman store to buy the newest version of Air Jordans. I would estimate there are were about 50 people in line at 1:00 this afternoon, and the shoes don't go on sale until Saturday morning.
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You going IMAX 3D or regular?
I'm blind in one eye, so regular
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Help me out here...What's the appeal of the Star Wars movies? I've seen a couple of them and thought they were, at best, meh. I just don't get it.
I couldn't agree more. I feel like I'm missing something.
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So, who is planning on going to a midnight showing? Who already has their tickets? Who has made it part of their Christmas plans?
Not sure when I'm going, still negotiating with the wife as to what I have to give up for her to take our 3 week old while I go to the movies for 3 hours.
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I am thinking Friday lunchtime matinee.
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Not sure when I'm going, still negotiating with the wife as to what I have to give up for her to take our 3 week old while I go to the movies for 3 hours.
Sounds like you already gave up your nuts, Navy...
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Not sure when I'm going, still negotiating with the wife as to what I have to give up for her to take our 3 week old while I go to the movies for 3 hours.
If you're negotiating at for free time at 3 weeks you're screwed man. 3 weeks is the easiest time you have. Wait until he crawls.
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If you're negotiating at for free time at 3 weeks you're screwed man. 3 weeks is the easiest time you have. Wait until he crawls.
Trying to go as soon as possible and the wife has things going on that Friday and Saturday that I'm trying to work around. I was told putting him in a crib with the dog as supervision is not an option. 1st month has been easy, want to take advantage
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Sounds like you already gave up your nuts, Navy...
Happy wife, happy life
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Just boarded a Disney cruise for my son's Make-A-Wish. We get a special screening of Star Wars Thursday morning.
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Just boarded a Disney cruise for my son's Make-A-Wish. We get a special screening of Star Wars Thursday morning.
That's awesome! Hope you guys have a great time. I'm sure you will.
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Thought I'd resurect the thread now that the Rogue One teaser finally hit the interwebs. Thoughts? Theories?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg)
I'm also guessing that the theatrical trailer will release as part of CA:Civil War.
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I watched it. As I understand it, this is set prior to 'A New Hope'. If that is accurate, I cannot help but notice the physical resemblance between the heroine in this movie and the heroine in 'the Force Awakens.'
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Is that Darth Vader at 1:11 mark of the trailer?
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Is that Darth Vader at 1:11 mark of the trailer?
That was my question, given the honor guards in the shot it would certainly imply that whoever it is is meeting the emperor.....but it seems too slight a frame to be Vader.
I had heard rumors that Vader would be in this movie and that his role would be pretty brutal so it would make sense if it's Vader.
I want to know who the fancy pants Imperial officer is....can't be Tarkin because the timeline is too tight. Some sort of grand admiral ala Thrawn?
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I'm also curious how they are going to explain all the different varieties of stormtroopers that we never see in the OT. Saw at least three different uniform colors/classes (white, black, and tan). Doesn't even get into the specialties that may be within each class (scout, zero g, snow, etc).
As an example, if the so called shadow troopers turn out to be bad ass.....how do you not see them on the Endor moon when the emperor is talking about a legion of his best troops???
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That black armor she was wearing towards the end looked like Phasmas.
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I wasn't blown away by it at all.
Thoughts:
1. Rey's mom? First thing I thought of, I'm really hoping no though. Force isn't supposed to be in this movie, so I don't think they can show the mother of a girl naturally force-gifted without using the force.
2. I think that's Vader in the cape.
3. Will Boba show up? I think he has to if they want to push a spin-off later.
4. Dialogue was horrid, the 'I rebel" line. Yuck.
5. AT-ATs!
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I wasn't blown away by it at all.
Thoughts:
1. Rey's mom? First thing I thought of, I'm really hoping no though. Force isn't supposed to be in this movie, so I don't think they can show the mother of a girl naturally force-gifted without using the force.
2. I think that's Vader in the cape.
3. Will Boba show up? I think he has to if they want to push a spin-off later.
4. Dialogue was horrid, the 'I rebel" line. Yuck.
5. AT-ATs!
1. No way she is Rey's mom....timeline doesn't work and I fully expect her to die at the end of this movie. Side note though, if Luke is the father, the mother doesn't have to be force sensitive
2. I guess that makes more sense then having another dark sider involved that isn't Vader. I think Vader has to be really bad ass in this movie to make the redemption story in RotJ stick....he has to be fully evil all of the time until Luke turns him back.
Though, I'd love it if the cloaked figure was Maul to tie-in Clone Wars and Rebels then have a Vader/Maul show down.
3. Boba has to show up, I think that character more than any other is in demand within the fan base...plus you can have Boba be a "defeatable" bad guy that Vader can't be.
4. To each their own I guess.....I loved the line.
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1. No way she is Rey's mom....timeline doesn't work and I fully expect her to die at the end of this movie. Side note though, if Luke is the father, the mother doesn't have to be force sensitive
Isn't the Princess Leia line "that good people died getting this information on the Death Star."
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Isn't the Princess Leia line "that good people died getting this information on the Death Star."
Thought that was Mon Montha in RotJ referring to the Bothans stealing the plans for the 2nd Death Star?