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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Ellisium on November 24, 2014, 06:41:03 PM
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Guilty or Innocent?
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Didn't think Jamal was still a member of the team.
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Didn't think Jamal was still a member of the team.
Well played. You're guilty of having some wit sir.
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Guilty or Innocent?
What is the line?
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I said last month no indictment and said I'm glad I don't have a student at SLU when I made the comment.....what do I win? How many people here rushed to judgment....AGAIN!!!
Becoming like clock work....people believing what they want to believe rather than what Is provable, etc. whether it is Treyvon, Duke LaCrosse, Ferguson, etc, etc. people can be outraged all they want, but we have a system where actual evidence is required, not just hunches and hopes.
Finally, for the media....a story doesn't go by when these clowns don't add to the problem. Editing 911 calls, finding 2 witnesses that say one thing but magically not being able to find the 9 witnesses that say the complete opposite and not vetting the ones that agree with their version. Or putting up pictures of the "victims" when they were 12 years old and 16" shorter and 100lbs lighter in an attempt to draw public sympathy that this "youngster, gentle giant" was killed. There is no need for this. None. None. None. Report the news, stop trying to leave out important bits, editing stuff to drastically change reality, or flat out lying in some cases. No one wants people to die through rogue cops or from criminal activity. The media does no one any justice when they purposely manipulate public opinion with this ridiculousness. It is just wrong and why so many people find them in such a low level of respect in our country. I have no doubt the next week or so they will just make things worse until the next event where they can manipulate things again.
Report the news....period.
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I said last month no indictment and said I'm glad I don't have a student at SLU when I made the comment.....what do I win? How many people here rushed to judgment....AGAIN!!!
Becoming like clock work....people believing what they want to believe rather than what Is provable, etc. whether it is Treyvon, Duke LaCrosse, Ferguson, etc, etc. people can be outraged all they want, but we have a system where actual evidence is required, not just hunches and hopes.
Finally, for the media....a story doesn't go by when these clowns don't add to the problem. Editing 911 calls, finding 2 witnesses that say one thing but magically not being able to find the 9 witnesses that say the complete opposite and not vetting the ones that agree with their version. Or putting up pictures of the "victims" when they were 12 years old and 16" shorter and 100lbs lighter in an attempt to draw public sympathy that this "youngster, gentle giant" was killed. There is no need for this. None. None. None. Report the news, stop trying to leave out important bits, editing stuff to drastically change reality, or flat out lying in some cases. No one wants people to die through rogue cops or from criminal activity. The media does no one any justice when they purposely manipulate public opinion with this ridiculousness. It is just wrong and why so many people find them in such a low level of respect in our country. I have no doubt the next week or so they will just make things worse until the next event where they can manipulate things again.
Report the news....period.
If there is one thing I've learned in my life, it's that our judicial system is right 100% of the time and cops are all stand up guys.
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No, it isn't and no one ever said it was. That doesn't make this decision wrong.
If there is one thing I learned in my life, witnesses never lie, people don't rush to judgment to fit their narrative in life, and most Americans are super smart about healthcare and gov't policies (Grubered) and certainly how the legal system works.
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12 people had 5 possible indictments to bring and decided none were appropriate
Sometimes people who attack peace officers experience bad outcomes
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No, it isn't and no one ever said it was. That doesn't make this decision wrong.
If there is one thing I learned in my life, witnesses never lie, people don't rush to judgment to fit their narrative in life, and most Americans are super smart about healthcare and gov't policies (Grubered) and certainly how the legal system works.
You're so smart.
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You're so smart.
I realize the last few weeks have been really hard for you. Try not to burn everything down. You still have the emperor.
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12 people had 5 possible indictments to bring and decided none were appropriate
Sometimes people who attack peace officers experience bad outcomes
But he was a gentle giant....and two convicted felons said they saw something really bad and the 9 who saw it the way the officer saw it should be ignored...don't you know. And the autopsy report....should be ignored. All that matters is race....facts be damned.
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But he was a gentle giant....and two convicted felons said they saw something really bad and the 9 who saw it the way the officer saw it should be ignored...don't you know. And the autopsy report....should be ignored. All that matters is race....facts be damned.
Seeing people I know on FB outraged that "a teen was shot just for walking down the street" still tonight. Gonna stay away from FB posting for awhile. Yeesh.
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I realize the last few weeks have been really hard for you. Try not to burn everything down. You still have the emperor.
What's been hard for me?
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What's been hard for me?
Knowing that cops can shoot black kids at will and never be held accountable.
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Knowing that cops can shoot black kids at will and never be held accountable.
Haha. You must listen to a lot of CNN.
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Knowing that cops can shoot black kids at will and never be held accountable.
You don't let the facts get in the way of your perceptions
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If there is one thing I've learned in my life, it's that our judicial system is right 100% of the time and cops are all stand up guys.
That's actually 2 things
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No, it isn't and no one ever said it was. That doesn't make this decision wrong.
If there is one thing I learned in my life, witnesses never lie, people don't rush to judgment to fit their narrative in life, and most Americans are super smart about healthcare and gov't policies (Grubered) and certainly how the legal system works.
And that's actually 4. Can't either of you count?
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You don't let the facts get in the way of your perceptions
Thank you for the remark - I should not have put "at will" in my comment.
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I realize the last few weeks have been really hard for you. Try not to burn everything down. You still have the emperor.
Also, you are a total scum bag. This isn't about me; or you (sorry not everything is about you). People like you are what is wrong with the world.
I am a nonviolent person. The people acting like idiots in the streets of Ferguson are disgusting. For you to lump me in with a group of people like that who live thousands of miles away speaks to your character. You're a scum bag loser that creates divides here, and what is worse, you get a kick out of it. Really, get over yourself.
I don't have an emperor. Neither do you.
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Disgusting night to be a US citizen. Absolutely disgusted with the decision. That being said the riots right now are not the way to go. This country is so ass backwards.
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Also, you are a total scum bag. This isn't about me; or you (sorry not everything is about you). People like you are what is wrong with the world.
I am a nonviolent person. The people acting like idiots in the streets of Ferguson are disgusting. For you to lump me in with a group of people like that who live thousands of miles away speaks to your character. You're a scum bag loser that creates divides here, and what is worse, you get a kick out of it. Really, get over yourself.
I don't have an emperor. Neither do you.
Your post drips with irony and hypocrisy....are you even capable of seeing it? Yes....people like me is what is wrong with the world. LOL. I create no divides, they already exist.
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Disgusting night to be a US citizen. Absolutely disgusted with the decision. That being said the riots right now are not the way to go. This country is so ass backwards.
Why disgusted? Were you there? Are the African American witnesses that support Officer Wilson not to be believed? Are the forensics not to be believed. Are the multiple autopsy reports not to be believed? Why are you disgusted....since you were there and all the factual evidence pointing to a non indictment should be ignored.....please share with us what the 12 person grand jury ignored that you are privy to that leads to you being disgusted.
Thank you
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Why disgusted? We're you there? Are the African American witnesses that support Officer Wilson not to be believed? Are the forensics not to be believed., is the autopsy not to be believed? Why are you disgusted....since you were there and all the factual evidence pointing to a non indictment should be ignored.....please share with us what the 12 person grand jury ignored that you are privy to.
Thank you
Gotta agree with this. The legal process played out. The prosecutor even said as much during in front of the camera (of course, many of the news outlets cut away from that instead to show the protestors)
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You don't let the facts get in the way of your perceptions
Brandx is a special kind of nut job....the kind that automatically says night is actually day if the wrong news source reports it....even if it is 10:00pm, it still doesn't matter. Perceptions, no matter how absurd or filled with hyperbole drives him and others.
Never let a crisis go to waste....and if needed, create a crisis.
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I just don't understand destroying your community and causing so much damage to your own area in the name of what? Bunch of small businesses (among others) getting ruined just days before Thanksgiving. It's a travesty.
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Any history book will show that when a group of people is subjugated, in some form or manner, that they will often resort to violence until their rights are restored.
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Any history book will show that when a group of people is subjugated, in some form or manner, that they will often resort to violence until their rights are restored.
If they are subjugated, Ferguson did it to themselves. I guess they never learned that we are a government of the people, by the people and for the people in school. They have the votes to determine what kind of government they want but did not vote for one that reflects their community. Hopefully this will change.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/06/politics/missouri-elections-ferguson-voter-turnout/
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Gotta agree with this. The legal process played out. The prosecutor even said as much during in front of the camera (of course, many of the news outlets cut away from that instead to show the protestors)
Last night Megyn Kelly had a contributor on who was in Ferguson (or at least the St. Louis area). Even after the prosecutor laid it out for the American public as to why the grand jury came back with the decision they did, even after painstakingly detailing how many witnesses kept changing their stories, how many witness's accounts changed when they heard what the physical evidence showed, and that the 12 grand jurors are the only people who saw and heard all the evidence, the contributor (coincidentally a democrat who is also black) acted as if none of the evidence should have mattered because Mike Brown was black and the officer white. I can't remember his name but I think he's even a lawyer, so he should at least understand the judicial process better than some. But for some, it's not even possible that Mike Brown had any culpability in the events that led to his death.
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Your post drips with irony and hypocrisy....are you even capable of seeing it? Yes....people like me is what is wrong with the world. LOL. I create no divides, they already exist.
Its finally happened, you made the ignore list.
It has one person on it.
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I just don't understand destroying your community and causing so much damage to your own area in the name of what? Bunch of small businesses (among others) getting ruined just days before Thanksgiving. It's a travesty.
I wonder how many of those destroying the community are actually from the community.
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Never let a crisis go to waste....and if needed, create a crisis.
see: Benghazi.
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Also sad that people having so much fear they jump to an immediate conclusion a gun will help.
Tragic.
http://wgntv.com/2014/11/24/woman-saying-were-ready-for-ferguson-accidentally-shoots-self-in-head-dies/
Plus people like this: http://www.wate.com/story/27472265/knoxville-gun-dealer-says-he-will-ship-firearms-to-ferguson-mo-to-help-arm-residents
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Last night Megyn Kelly had a contributor on who was in Ferguson (or at least the St. Louis area). Even after the prosecutor laid it out for the American public as to why the grand jury came back with the decision they did, even after painstakingly detailing how many witnesses kept changing their stories, how many witness's accounts changed when they heard what the physical evidence showed, and that the 12 grand jurors are the only people who saw and heard all the evidence, the contributor (coincidentally a democrat who is also black) acted as if none of the evidence should have mattered because Mike Brown was black and the officer white. I can't remember his name but I think he's even a lawyer, so he should at least understand the judicial process better than some. But for some, it's not even possible that Mike Brown had any culpability in the events that led to his death.
It's because as a minority group that historically has been - and largely continues to be - treated differently (read: unfairly) by the system doesn't see said system as legitimate.
I mean, if the system were more likely to send you to prison than someone of another race for the same crime, would you view the system as legitimate? If the system were four times more likely to arrest you for a minor drug offense than it were a person of another race, would you view the system as fair and just? If people of your race were 21 times more likely to be shot to death by a police officer, would you have faith in the system and see police as being on your side?
When you don't see the system as legitimate, when you see the system as being stacked against you because of the color of your skin, you're going to be (reasonably, IMO) suspicious and skeptical of the justice that system dispenses.
I don't justify/excuse rioting, looting, arson or any other sort of violent protest in this situation. But the mistrust and skepticism? Yeah, I get that.
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I knew this was going to happen. I knew that there was going to be shades of gray. I knew that there would be idiot rioters burning things. I knew that there would be the Chicos and anti-Chicos of the world using this as an opportunity to portray their worldview.
And most of all, I knew that this would never be used as a moment where we can sit back and have a dialogue as a society about race, discrimination, etc. Everyone just goes back to the same old talking points. Just like I knew after Sandy Hook that both sides would just sit their entrenched and not try to figure things out and see what the other side sees.
It's so damn depressing.
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It's because as a minority group that historically has been - and largely continues to be - treated differently (read: unfairly) by the system doesn't see said system as legitimate.
I mean, if the system were more likely to send you to prison than someone of another race for the same crime, would you view the system as legitimate? If the system were four times more likely to arrest you for a minor drug offense than it were a person of another race, would you view the system as fair and just? If people of your race were 21 times more likely to be shot to death by a police officer, would you have faith in the system and see police as being on your side?
When you don't see the system as legitimate, when you see the system as being stacked against you because of the color of your skin, you're going to be (reasonably, IMO) suspicious and skeptical of the justice that system dispenses.
I don't justify/excuse rioting, looting, arson or any other sort of violent protest in this situation. But the mistrust and skepticism? Yeah, I get that.
Yeah and then you get stuff like this. Simply people talking among themselves about problems they don't fully understand or have experienced.
https://twitter.com/PortChecagou/status/537062001164296194
(And I am sure that other examples on the other side exist as well...but this was the one in my twitter feed.)
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I obviously don't know exactly what happened between Darren Wilson and Michael Brown, but I do know that if Brown and his buddy had listened to Wilson when he initially told them to get out of the middle of the street, Brown would still be alive.
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I obviously don't know exactly what happened between Darren Wilson and Michael Brown, but I do know that if Brown and his buddy had listened to Wilson when he initially told them to get out of the middle of the street, Brown would still be alive.
I know that if a guy walking in the street turns into a physical struggle that ends with someone dead from multiple gunshot wounds, a truly horrendous job of policing has taken place.
Incompetence isn't strong enough of a word to describe Wilson's handling of the situation.
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I know that if a guy walking in the street turns into a physical struggle that ends with someone dead from multiple gunshot wounds, a truly horrendous job of policing has taken place.
Incompetence isn't strong enough of a word to describe Wilson's handling of the situation.
Since you don't know what happened, you actually don't know this.
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I said last month no indictment and said I'm glad I don't have a student at SLU when I made the comment.....what do I win? How many people here rushed to judgment....AGAIN!!!
Becoming like clock work....people believing what they want to believe rather than what Is provable, etc. whether it is Treyvon, Duke LaCrosse, Ferguson, etc, etc. people can be outraged all they want, but we have a system where actual evidence is required, not just hunches and hopes.
Finally, for the media....a story doesn't go by when these clowns don't add to the problem. Editing 911 calls, finding 2 witnesses that say one thing but magically not being able to find the 9 witnesses that say the complete opposite and not vetting the ones that agree with their version. Or putting up pictures of the "victims" when they were 12 years old and 16" shorter and 100lbs lighter in an attempt to draw public sympathy that this "youngster, gentle giant" was killed. There is no need for this. None. None. None. Report the news, stop trying to leave out important bits, editing stuff to drastically change reality, or flat out lying in some cases. No one wants people to die through rogue cops or from criminal activity. The media does no one any justice when they purposely manipulate public opinion with this ridiculousness. It is just wrong and why so many people find them in such a low level of respect in our country. I have no doubt the next week or so they will just make things worse until the next event where they can manipulate things again.
Report the news....period.
You hit the nail right on the head. Good journalism strives to get at the truth. Honest reporters find themselves in a position where they have to quit because their stories don't reach the light of day because their editors don't feel the story is news worthy (Cheryl Actkinson). I watch and read all the news outlets; its the only way your going to find out what is really happening. It's becoming more and more difficult to cut away through all the spin and just arrive at what, where and how it happened.
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Since you don't know what happened, you actually don't know this.
One could say the same for your comment ... and every other comment then, right?
Read wilson's grand jury testimony. Even by his own account - which I'm 100 percent sure he wouldn't have ever shaded in his favor - a verbal disagreement over whether these guys should have been using the sidewalk turned into a life-or-death struggle.
Do you seriously believe allowing a minor verbal dispute over where someone is walking to escalate into a fatal shooting is an example of sterling - or even acceptable - police work?
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It's because as a minority group that historically has been - and largely continues to be - treated differently (read: unfairly) by the system doesn't see said system as legitimate.
I mean, if the system were more likely to send you to prison than someone of another race for the same crime, would you view the system as legitimate? If the system were four times more likely to arrest you for a minor drug offense than it were a person of another race, would you view the system as fair and just? If people of your race were 21 times more likely to be shot to death by a police officer, would you have faith in the system and see police as being on your side?
When you don't see the system as legitimate, when you see the system as being stacked against you because of the color of your skin, you're going to be (reasonably, IMO) suspicious and skeptical of the justice that system dispenses.
I don't justify/excuse rioting, looting, arson or any other sort of violent protest in this situation. But the mistrust and skepticism? Yeah, I get that.
Here is where I struggle with this, and this goes to Sultan's dialogue post as well, what does the discussion and/or solution look like that solves this? Can we start from the basis of life isn't fair, and accept that as a universal truth? If we assume that is true, how do we correct a society that has clearly, whether intentionally or accidentally or both, created additional unfairness for certain groups?
This is something I'm trying to articulate in my head so it's probably going to come out wrong and I'll get jumped on (part of the overall issue, but I digress). Historically, African-Americans have been subjected to institutionalized discrimination that added to the general unfairness of life, essentially stunting societal growth for that group. So we get to 2014 where I feel that the majority of institutional bias has been removed, however that anchor from years past has gone uncorrected. How do you correct for that historical anchor without "overcorrecting"?
That's often the argument you get, random white person "I was born poor, worked 7 jobs and got an education and succeeded, why can't they"? How do you allow for the randomness of life, while correcting for the wrongs that have been done historically that made things more unfair? To your point, what reason does a minority group have to trust a system if through generations past that system was intentionally unfair? Let's assume you 100% remove issues within the system, there are generations condition to not trust it....how do you restore that trust? That's the struggle I see, how do we come together and say, we've created fair system X and here is how we will get everyone to believe in the system?
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Who's decision was it to announce this thing at 8 PM CST? No idea what they were thinking...
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"It’s Incredibly Rare For A Grand Jury To Do What Ferguson’s Just Did"
Former New York state Chief Judge Sol Wachtler famously remarked that a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to “indict a ham sandwich.” The data suggests he was barely exaggerating: According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.
and (emphasis mine)
Cases involving police shootings, however, appear to be an exception. As my colleague Reuben Fischer-Baum has written, we don’t have good data on officer-involved killings. But newspaper accounts suggest, grand juries frequently decline to indict law-enforcement officials. A recent Houston Chronicle investigation found that “police have been nearly immune from criminal charges in shootings” in Houston and other large cities in recent years. In Harris County, Texas, for example, grand juries haven’t indicted a Houston police officer since 2004; in Dallas, grand juries reviewed 81 shootings between 2008 and 2012 and returned just one indictment. Separate research by Bowling Green State University criminologist Philip Stinson has found that officers are rarely charged in on-duty killings, although it didn’t look at grand jury indictments specifically.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/
"Allegations Of Police Misconduct Rarely Result In Charges"
Of the more than 8,300 misconduct accusations (involving almost 11,000 officers) in Packman’s database from April 2009 through the end of 2010, 3,238 resulted in legal action.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/allegations-of-police-misconduct-rarely-result-in-charges/
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But he was a gentle giant....and two convicted felons said they saw something really bad and the 9 who saw it the way the officer saw it should be ignored...don't you know. And the autopsy report....should be ignored. All that matters is race....facts be damned.
And you're a racist.
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https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/502523635371114497
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Here is where I struggle with this, and this goes to Sultan's dialogue post as well, what does the discussion and/or solution look like that solves this? Can we start from the basis of life isn't fair, and accept that as a universal truth? If we assume that is true, how do we correct a society that has clearly, whether intentionally or accidentally or both, created additional unfairness for certain groups?
This is something I'm trying to articulate in my head so it's probably going to come out wrong and I'll get jumped on (part of the overall issue, but I digress). Historically, African-Americans have been subjected to institutionalized discrimination that added to the general unfairness of life, essentially stunting societal growth for that group. So we get to 2014 where I feel that the majority of institutional bias has been removed, however that anchor from years past has gone uncorrected. How do you correct for that historical anchor without "overcorrecting"?
That's often the argument you get, random white person "I was born poor, worked 7 jobs and got an education and succeeded, why can't they"? How do you allow for the randomness of life, while correcting for the wrongs that have been done historically that made things more unfair? To your point, what reason does a minority group have to trust a system if through generations past that system was intentionally unfair? Let's assume you 100% remove issues within the system, there are generations condition to not trust it....how do you restore that trust? That's the struggle I see, how do we come together and say, we've created fair system X and here is how we will get everyone to believe in the system?
Those are good questions, and I don't know the answers. I mean, I have no idea what it is like to be a minority. I am a middle-class, white male. So I don't know what it is like to have suffered regular discriminations. I don't know what it is like to have parents and grandparents who have suffered even worse.
I also know that most white people I know aren't racist, believe in justice, and a good many of them think this was a correct decision.
How do you get these two groups to understand that neither is really out to get the other?
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One could say the same for your comment ... and every other comment then, right?
Do you seriously believe allowing a minor verbal dispute over where someone is walking to escalate into a fatal shooting is an example of sterling - or even acceptable - police work?
Brown was stoned according to the toxicology report. Very well he could have been paranoid and acted irrationally out of fear. At the same time you have a police officer who stated that this was a very bad area that he was in. He wasn't comfortable there and fearful for his life during the altercation. He knew it was a bad area. Of course, a heightened sense of fear is due to a lack of understanding of the area. Perhaps if police tactics in Ferguson consisted of community outreach, getting to know the actual people there, this fear based reaction wouldn't have happened on both ends. We already know the Ferguson police chief's first inclination was one of imposing fear when they sported their armored vehicles in the protests over summer. That type of attitude only creates more problems.
Policing isn't about intimidation. It's about repairing strained relationships and establishing new bonds with people in the community. Once people get to know the police force and the police force begins to know those people in the "bad" areas, trust is earned on both sides, and respect develops on both ends.
Ultimately, this was a systematic failure by the Ferguson police department, because its culture dictated fear rather than openness. This lack of insight into the issue has scarred Michael Brown's family, the police officer, and the community of Ferguson. Had they actually gotten out of their police cars and developed relationships, this may have never happened.
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25 days the Grand Jury took, 60+ witnesses, 1000's of documents. Those 12 people said pushing forward made no sense as there wasn't enough evidence to have a trial, let alone a reasonable chance at a conviction. That's what the grand jury system is for so we aren't parading people into jury trials ad nauseum on trumped up charges or wasting the court's time. I'm sorry people don't like it, but they are the only ones that were able to see all the evidence. Not Al Sharpton, not Jesse Jackson, not some neo Nazi guy, no one on MU Scoop, or Don Lemon, or Bill O'Reilly.
Shame people burn things down, smash windows, burn cars, steal stuff.....most likely the vast majority of the looters don't even live in Ferguson yet the Ferguson people pay for it, directly and indirectly. Justice. Progress. Moving Forward. Would it surprise anyone if CVS says they aren't coming back? AutoZone? Some of the locally owned businesses? Maybe tonight the Gov will actually deploy the National Guard he put on alert 8 days ago....what a concept.
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Brown was stoned according to the toxicology report. Very well he could have been paranoid and acted irrationally out of fear. At the same time you have a police officer who stated that this was a very bad area that he was in. He wasn't comfortable there and fearful for his life during the altercation. He knew it was a bad area. Of course, a heightened sense of fear is due to a lack of understanding of the area. Perhaps if police tactics in Ferguson consisted of community outreach, getting to know the actual people there, this fear based reaction wouldn't have happened on both ends. We already know the Ferguson police chief's first inclination was one of imposing fear when they sported their armored vehicles in the protests over summer. That type of attitude only creates more problems.
Stop the weed fear-mongering. Seriously? Marijuana can be in your system for freaking weeks, and still this wouldn't explain it.
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Brown was stoned according to the toxicology report.
This isn't true. The tox found traces of marijuana in his system. Marijuana stays in your system for about 30 days after use, so there's no way of know whether he was stoned, and it's certainly not something that was determined by the autopsy.
As for the rest, ultimately it comes down to a (supposedly) trained, experienced law enforcement officer getting into a situation where a verbal disagreement over where someone was walking escalated into a fatal shooting. That should never happened, and it wouldn't have happened with better policing.
We can all agree or disagree over whether the shooting was justified. But only a fool would think it was unavoidable.
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I know that if a guy walking in the street turns into a physical struggle that ends with someone dead from multiple gunshot wounds, a truly horrendous job of policing has taken place.
Incompetence isn't strong enough of a word to describe Wilson's handling of the situation.
Oh, you do? Right. Because it couldn't possibly be that the cop was charged at, that the perp was on drugs, that the perp just committed a robbery, that the perp slammed the door on the cop and went for his gun, that the perp failed to ignore the cop's instructions, and the perp then put his head down and charged the cop.
Yup....."a truly horrendous job of policing has taken place". Please God, in my next life make me a liberal. Please. Please. Please. I want to live in Neverland.
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Here is where I struggle with this, and this goes to Sultan's dialogue post as well, what does the discussion and/or solution look like that solves this? Can we start from the basis of life isn't fair, and accept that as a universal truth? If we assume that is true, how do we correct a society that has clearly, whether intentionally or accidentally or both, created additional unfairness for certain groups?
This is something I'm trying to articulate in my head so it's probably going to come out wrong and I'll get jumped on (part of the overall issue, but I digress). Historically, African-Americans have been subjected to institutionalized discrimination that added to the general unfairness of life, essentially stunting societal growth for that group. So we get to 2014 where I feel that the majority of institutional bias has been removed, however that anchor from years past has gone uncorrected. How do you correct for that historical anchor without "overcorrecting"?
That's often the argument you get, random white person "I was born poor, worked 7 jobs and got an education and succeeded, why can't they"? How do you allow for the randomness of life, while correcting for the wrongs that have been done historically that made things more unfair? To your point, what reason does a minority group have to trust a system if through generations past that system was intentionally unfair? Let's assume you 100% remove issues within the system, there are generations condition to not trust it....how do you restore that trust? That's the struggle I see, how do we come together and say, we've created fair system X and here is how we will get everyone to believe in the system?
Great questions, to which I wish I had the answers.
I don't think it's enough to say "life's not fair." It's true, of course, but it's more "not fair" if you're black or poor or female or born in the wrong community, etc. And that lack of "not fairness" isn't merely the result of life's randomness.
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And you're a racist.
There it is. When you can't win an argument, throw that stuff out. Congratulations. You have hit rock bottom
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There it is. When you can't win an argument, throw that stuff out. Congratulations. You have hit rock bottom
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Well you should know it well.
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And you're a racist.
Chicos isn't a racist. He just consistently defends the white guy and demonizes the minority.
Wait, I'm sure some of Chicos' best friends are black.
Wait, the problem for Chicos is people claiming racism instead of actual racism. Because then we can't have a real discussion.
Wait, it's really about hypocrisy. LOL LOL LOL.
Wait, I'm sure there's something. right?
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Oh, you do? Right. Because it couldn't possibly be that the cop was charged at, that the perp was on drugs, that the perp just committed a robbery, that the perp slammed the door on the cop and went for his gun, that the perp failed to ignore the cop's instructions, and the perp then put his head down and charged the cop.
Yup....."a truly horrendous job of policing has taken place". Please God, in my next life make me a liberal. Please. Please. Please. I want to live in Neverland.
I'm not a Liberal and yet I still consider the death of Brown to be a fairly poor piece of policing by the Ferguson officer.
Is that allowed? Or is that mutually exclusive?
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One could say the same for your comment ... and every other comment then, right?
Read wilson's grand jury testimony. Even by his own account - which I'm 100 percent sure he wouldn't have ever shaded in his favor - a verbal disagreement over whether these guys should have been using the sidewalk turned into a life-or-death struggle.
Do you seriously believe allowing a minor verbal dispute over where someone is walking to escalate into a fatal shooting is an example of sterling - or even acceptable - police work?
One could spin it the other way as well.
Do you seriously believe allowing a minor verbal dispute over where you are walking to escalate to the point where you assault a police officer and try to take his gun?
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Here is where I struggle with this, and this goes to Sultan's dialogue post as well, what does the discussion and/or solution look like that solves this? Can we start from the basis of life isn't fair, and accept that as a universal truth? If we assume that is true, how do we correct a society that has clearly, whether intentionally or accidentally or both, created additional unfairness for certain groups?
There is no solution because too many people are vested in not wanting it to happen. It is a cottage industry, it allows certain people to get votes by throwing out Auganhere's line of thinking whenever they can. It allows certain people to shakedown companies. It allows others to justify actions and make a ton of money from it...be it from news ratings or whatever else you want to conjur up. Way too many people milk the racist card to the nth degree and they aren't stopping anytime soon. Their livlihoods depend on it. Besides, when you can't win a policy argument, a resource allocation argument or what have you, it is the fallback position. It has been played more the last 6 years than the previous 20 in my opinion. Don't like the POTUS policies because of the policies themselves....of course not....it is because of race (it couldn't possibly be because of the policies). ::)
The solution starts when you remove the people from both sides that don't want a solution, and the list is easy to identify and there are people on both sides of it.....and a daunting media in the "middle" that needs to be removed from the process as well since they are incapable of reporting rather than manipulating and flat out lying in some cases.
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There is no solution because too many people are vested in not wanting it to happen. It is a cottage industry, it allows certain people to get votes by throwing out Auganhere's line of thinking whenever they can. It allows certain people to shakedown companies. It allows others to justify actions and make a ton of money from it...be it from news ratings or whatever else you want to conjur up. Way too many people milk the racist card to the nth degree and they aren't stopping anytime soon. Their livlihoods depend on it. Besides, when you can't win a policy argument, a resource allocation argument or what have you, it is the fallback position. It has been played more the last 6 years than the previous 20 in my opinion. Don't like the POTUS policies because of the policies themselves....of course not....it is because of race (it couldn't possibly be because of the policies). ::)
The solution starts when you remove the people from both sides that don't want a solution, and the list is easy to identify and there are people on both sides of it.....and a daunting media in the "middle" that needs to be removed from the process as well since they are incapable of reporting rather than manipulating and flat out lying in some cases.
You make a lot of ironic posts, but even this broke my irony meter.
You cast others as essentially going through life playing the victim, but you are the King of Victimization.
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Oh, you do? Right. Because it couldn't possibly be that the cop was charged at, that the perp was on drugs, that the perp just committed a robbery, that the perp slammed the door on the cop and went for his gun, that the perp failed to ignore the cop's instructions, and the perp then put his head down and charged the cop.
Yup....."a truly horrendous job of policing has taken place". Please God, in my next life make me a liberal. Please. Please. Please. I want to live in Neverland.
Great, intelligent, well-reasoned response, Chico's.
Your thoughtful commentary is, as always, appreciated.
Some questions for you, that I hope you can answer without using the word liberal, referring to Obama or any other Fox News talking points.
1. If Officer Wilson believed these were dangerous people - so much so that he called for backup - why did he then proceed to approach them on his own, before his backup arrived?
2. If this was a dangerous situation as Wilson says he believed it was, why after the initial confrontation, did he throw his car into reverse and angle it in such a manner so as to prevent these dangerous people from continuing on their way, essentially initiating a second confrontation, without the benefit of his backup?
3. Why, after shooting Brown once during a struggle in which he believed he could have been killed, did Wilson then get out of his vehicle and chase after this crazed maniac who was now fleeing from him, instead of waiting for his backup?
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One could spin it the other way as well.
Do you seriously believe allowing a minor verbal dispute over where you are walking to escalate to the point where you assault a police officer and try to take his gun?
I guess I just have a higher expectations for a supposedly trained, veteran police officer for how one acts in such situations than I do for a teenager.
And, I guess, I'm putting more of the onus for diffusing the situation and dealing with it in a professional manner on the supposedly trained, veteran police officer than the 18-year-old kid.
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Also, you are a total scum bag. This isn't about me; or you (sorry not everything is about you). People like you are what is wrong with the world.
I am a nonviolent person. The people acting like idiots in the streets of Ferguson are disgusting. For you to lump me in with a group of people like that who live thousands of miles away speaks to your character. You're a scum bag loser that creates divides here, and what is worse, you get a kick out of it. Really, get over yourself.
I don't have an emperor. Neither do you.
His comment to you was completely over the line. He is a vile human being.
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Prosecutor McCulloch said the grand jury "gave up their lives" while deliberating.
Does it get any more insensitive than that?
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Policing isn't about intimidation. It's about repairing strained relationships and establishing new bonds with people in the community. Once people get to know the police force and the police force begins to know those people in the "bad" areas, trust is earned on both sides, and respect develops on both ends.
Ultimately, this was a systematic failure by the Ferguson police department, because its culture dictated fear rather than openness. This lack of insight into the issue has scarred Michael Brown's family, the police officer, and the community of Ferguson. Had they actually gotten out of their police cars and developed relationships, this may have never happened.
This is worth repeating.
For me, this isn't necessarily about Michael Brown, but about our current system and approach to police work.
I know cops spend hours and hours of training on combat and weapons. Maybe some of that time should be spent on community training. The best police work is done well before these types of incidents occur. We police our citizens by reacting to them. Maybe we should spend more time working WITH them.
I don't know the exact tactics, but the strategy shouldn't be to walk around and "bust" people, but rather be in the community and help keep people safe. Let's start with that as a goal, and then figure out the tactics.
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If they are subjugated, Ferguson did it to themselves. I guess they never learned that we are a government of the people, by the people and for the people in school. They have the votes to determine what kind of government they want but did not vote for one that reflects their community. Hopefully this will change.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/06/politics/missouri-elections-ferguson-voter-turnout/
I think the American record on Black voting rights speaks for itself.
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Chicos isn't a racist. He just consistently defends the white guy and demonizes the minority.
Wait, I'm sure some of Chicos' best friends are black.
Wait, the problem for Chicos is people claiming racism instead of actual racism. Because then we can't have a real discussion.
Wait, it's really about hypocrisy. LOL LOL LOL.
Wait, I'm sure there's something. right?
I do? Interesting. I guess when I say I want Dr. Carson to run for POTUS or Condi Rice as my top two picks....never mind. I'll defend whites, blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc. Doesn't matter to me, I'm going to defend what I believe is right. When the African American cop shot the idiot in Utah a few months ago, whom did I support on this board? Oh, that's right...the African American cop...because he acted properly.
I do have a number of African American friends, spend vacations with them in Hawaii, Florida, etc. It's funny, we've become so divided as a society that you can't even say that because people throw out that wonderfully lovely line "he has black friends". Pretty sad, but that's fine...it's how the left argues.
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I do have a number of African American friends, spend vacations with them in Hawaii, Florida, etc.
Haha.
Structural racism in the United States is so much more nuanced than being able to say whether you have black friends or support an African American for President, but whatever. If this is what qualifies for you as discussion on race, I'll just sit back and enjoy it.
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Great, intelligent, well-reasoned response, Chico's.
Your thoughtful commentary is, as always, appreciated.
Some questions for you, that I hope you can answer without using the word liberal, referring to Obama or any other Fox News talking points.
1. If Officer Wilson believed these were dangerous people - so much so that he called for backup - why did he then proceed to approach them on his own, before his backup arrived?
2. If this was a dangerous situation as Wilson says he believed it was, why after the initial confrontation, did he throw his car into reverse and angle it in such a manner so as to prevent these dangerous people from continuing on their way, essentially initiating a second confrontation, without the benefit of his backup?
3. Why, after shooting Brown once during a struggle in which he believed he could have been killed, did Wilson then get out of his vehicle and chase after this crazed maniac who was now fleeing from him, instead of waiting for his backup?
I guess I just have a higher expectations for a supposedly trained, veteran police officer for how one acts in such situations than I do for a teenager.
And, I guess, I'm putting more of the onus for diffusing the situation and dealing with it in a professional manner on the supposedly trained, veteran police officer than the 18-year-old kid.
You've clearly made up your mind already and have included several of your own "facts" while ignoring some actual facts of the case. Attempting to rationalize with you any further on this topic is pointless.
Enjoy your Thanksgiving, everyone!
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Great, intelligent, well-reasoned response, Chico's.
Your thoughtful commentary is, as always, appreciated.
Some questions for you, that I hope you can answer without using the word liberal, referring to Obama or any other Fox News talking points.
1. If Officer Wilson believed these were dangerous people - so much so that he called for backup - why did he then proceed to approach them on his own, before his backup arrived?
2. If this was a dangerous situation as Wilson says he believed it was, why after the initial confrontation, did he throw his car into reverse and angle it in such a manner so as to prevent these dangerous people from continuing on their way, essentially initiating a second confrontation, without the benefit of his backup?
3. Why, after shooting Brown once during a struggle in which he believed he could have been killed, did Wilson then get out of his vehicle and chase after this crazed maniac who was now fleeing from him, instead of waiting for his backup?
I don't have to answer them, 12 grand jury members who went through 60+ witnesses, thousands of documents, 25 days of deliberations and talking through the materials made those deductions. I wasn't there to see or hear the evidence, neither were you.
Now, if you want me to hedge a guess or two, I'm happy to.
1) I would imagine that since he believed that they were possible perps in the robbery, if you wait until backup arrives, they might not be around any longer. Funny, the meme early on is he didn't know they might be involved in the robbery, because the crack staff press reported that. Turns out, that was false.
2) I don't know, but I suspect when things happen quickly in the real world they aren't always thought out in same fashion as some MU Scooper gets to analyze them 5 months later when the person doing the action reacts in seconds.
3) That one is simple, read the documents released last night. The answer is right there for you.
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You've clearly made up your mind already and have included several of your own "facts" while ignoring some actual facts of the case. Attempting to rationalize with you any further on this topic is pointless.
Enjoy your Thanksgiving, everyone!
Which facts have I made up?
If you choose to leave the discussion because you can't answer the questions I'm asking, that's fine. But don't be so cowardly as to accuse me of lying without at least telling us what I'm lying about.
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I'm not a Liberal and yet I still consider the death of Brown to be a fairly poor piece of policing by the Ferguson officer.
Is that allowed? Or is that mutually exclusive?
Why? Policing is a two way street. We have a good friend of ours that is on the Long Beach anti-gang task force. He's Hispanic (oh no...I'm racist, how could we possibly have a Hispanic friend) and has to mix it up on his shift all the time. Great guy, and he agrees that building relationships is key in the community and part of the proper policing. No one is arguing this. On the other hand, it takes two to tango and sometimes doing everything you can the other guy(s) don't particularly care and are going to do something that could put the officer or someone else in harm's way. That's the reality of the world.
I'd like to know specifically how this was bad policing based on BROWN'S actions. Please, you and Pakuni address the other side of the dance party, not just the officer. The officer, according to the investigations, acted properly, within the law and within the training he was given.....by the way. Sometimes, the other guy doesn't act appropriately, be it on drugs or because he just committed a crime, and it resorts to these kinds of things.
But what I think would be really cool is to put a graph up that shows the number of police killings by country. It's like internet access in S. Korea and people asking why it isn't the same in the US. Couldn't possible be because of the sizes of the country in geography and population....nah.
People are funny....or as Gruber would say....stupid.
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I do? Interesting. I guess when I say I want Dr. Carson to run for POTUS or Condi Rice as my top two picks....never mind. I'll defend whites, blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc. Doesn't matter to me, I'm going to defend what I believe is right. When the African American cop shot the idiot in Utah a few months ago, whom did I support on this board? Oh, that's right...the African American cop...because he acted properly.
I do have a number of African American friends, spend vacations with them in Hawaii, Florida, etc. It's funny, we've become so divided as a society that you can't even say that because people throw out that wonderfully lovely line "he has black friends". Pretty sad, but that's fine...it's how the left argues.
Wow, you just bought that hook, line, and sinker. I mean, you're not even making it hard.
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I guess I just have a higher expectations for a supposedly trained, veteran police officer for how one acts in such situations than I do for a teenager.
And, I guess, I'm putting more of the onus for diffusing the situation and dealing with it in a professional manner on the supposedly trained, veteran police officer than the 18-year-old kid.
How do you know that didn't happen but the kid, as the witnesses stated, went after the cop. What exactly would you like him to do....the Jedi Mind Trick? Some of you are unreal.
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I don't have to answer them, 12 grand jury members who went through 60+ witnesses, thousands of documents, 25 days of deliberations and talking through the materials made those deductions. I wasn't there to see or hear the evidence, neither were you.
The grand jury wasn't impaneled to investigate whether Darren Wilson is a bad cop.
My questions are based entirely off the transcript of Wilson's testimony.
Now, if you want me to hedge a guess or two, I'm happy to.
1) I would imagine that since he believed that they were possible perps in the robbery, if you wait until backup arrives, they might not be around any longer.
This makes no sense, and contradicts his own testimony. He could have continued to follow them, pursue them, keep an eye on them, etc., without losing their location. He instead chose to approach them.
2) I don't know, but I suspect when things happen quickly in the real world they aren't always thought out in same fashion as some MU Scooper gets to analyze them 5 months later when the person doing the action reacts in seconds.
It's obvious you haven't read Wilson's testimony.
3) That one is simple, read the documents released last night. The answer is right there for you.
I have read the documents. And it's those documents - namely Wilson's own account - that lead me to the conclusion he acted horribly.
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Haha.
Structural racism in the United States is so much more nuanced than being able to say whether you have black friends or support an African American for President, but whatever. If this is what qualifies for you as discussion on race, I'll just sit back and enjoy it.
It doesn't nor did I say it did....I answered Rob's question. Pretty simple. You are the one extrapolating it to a discussion on race, that's on you....so sit back and enjoy it.
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How do you know that didn't happen but the kid, as the witnesses stated, went after the cop. What exactly would you like him to do....the Jedi Mind Trick? Some of you are unreal.
Because I've read Wilson's testimony.
I suggest you do the same. Anyone who does cannot honestly claim Wilson acted to diffuse the situation. His actions escalated it.
As a side note ... no one is suggesting that Brown handled things any better. The difference is that he's a dumb 18-year-old kid. Wilson is a professional who was trained to deal with situations like this. I don't think it's unreasonable to have higher expectations for a police officer.
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The grand jury wasn't impaneled to investigate whether Darren Wilson is a bad cop.
My questions are based entirely off the transcript of Wilson's testimony.
Now, if you want me to hedge a guess or two, I'm happy to.
This makes no sense, and contradicts his own testimony. He could have continued to follow them, pursue them, keep an eye on them, etc., without losing their location. He instead chose to approach them.
It's obvious you haven't read Wilson's testimony.
I have read the documents. And it's those documents - namely Wilson's own account - that lead me to the conclusion he acted horribly.
Then you haven't read the documents and your first statement is flat out incorrect. I'd suggest you read them again and I'd also suggest you read whether he acted according to police procedure and was within the law on his actions. The answers are yes. Part of what the jury was impaneled to do was whether he acted lawfully and if he felt his life was in danger. The jury said yes. I'm sorry this doesn't square with you. This isn't a movie or tv show. People act in the real world conditions, his actions were deemed lawful and in accordance with his training.
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This is worth repeating.
For me, this isn't necessarily about Michael Brown, but about our current system and approach to police work.
I know cops spend hours and hours of training on combat and weapons. Maybe some of that time should be spent on community training. The best police work is done well before these types of incidents occur. We police our citizens by reacting to them. Maybe we should spend more time working WITH them.
I don't know the exact tactics, but the strategy shouldn't be to walk around and "bust" people, but rather be in the community and help keep people safe. Let's start with that as a goal, and then figure out the tactics.
Anyone authorized the use of lethal force must be held to a much higher standard.
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...he acted according to police procedure and was within the law on his actions. The answers are yes. Part of what the jury was impaneled to do was whether he acted lawfully and if he felt his life was in danger. The jury said yes. I'm sorry this doesn't square with you. This isn't a movie or tv show. People act in the real world conditions, his actions were deemed lawful and in accordance with his training.
I'll say it again: I think we have a problem with our overall policing strategy and training.
That's doesn't mean anything in this specific case, but for me, it shines a huge spotlight on some institutional problems that we have.
Everything might have been "legal" and within training guidelines, but the training is flat out wrong.
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Then you haven't read the documents and your first statement is flat out incorrect. I'd suggest you read them again and I'd also suggest you read whether he acted according to police procedure and was within the law on his actions. The answers are yes. Part of what the jury was impaneled to do was whether he acted lawfully and if he felt his life was in danger. The jury said yes. I'm sorry this doesn't square with you. This isn't a movie or tv show. People act in the real world conditions, his actions were deemed lawful and in accordance with his training.
Now you're just making things up.
The grand jury in no way found his actions "lawful and in accordance with his training."
A grand jury has never in the history of American jurisprudence made such a finding. That's not what a grand jury does.
The grand jury simply ruled there was no probable cause to determine whether Wilson had committed a crime.
Saying Wilson's actions were not criminal is not synonymous with saying he acted properly or in accordance with his training.
I'm having a hard time seeing why I should continue trying to have a reasonable discussion with someone who doesn't understand the facts and/or is unwilling to learn them.
I suppose I could cut-and-paste the portions of Wilson's testimony that show I'm relaying them correctly. Would that help you understand?
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Why? Policing is a two way street. We have a good friend of ours that is on the Long Beach anti-gang task force. He's Hispanic (oh no...I'm racist, how could we possibly have a Hispanic friend) and has to mix it up on his shift all the time. Great guy, and he agrees that building relationships is key in the community and part of the proper policing. No one is arguing this. On the other hand, it takes two to tango and sometimes doing everything you can the other guy(s) don't particularly care and are going to do something that could put the officer or someone else in harm's way. That's the reality of the world.
I'd like to know specifically how this was bad policing based on BROWN'S actions. Please, you and Pakuni address the other side of the dance party, not just the officer. The officer, according to the investigations, acted properly, within the law and within the training he was given.....by the way. Sometimes, the other guy doesn't act appropriately, be it on drugs or because he just committed a crime, and it resorts to these kinds of things.
But what I think would be really cool is to put a graph up that shows the number of police killings by country. It's like internet access in S. Korea and people asking why it isn't the same in the US. Couldn't possible be because of the sizes of the country in geography and population....nah.
People are funny....or as Gruber would say....stupid.
Your default reaction to chide people who don't share your viewpoint (whether wholly or partially) as stupid is distasteful.
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I'll say it again: I think we have a problem with our overall policing strategy and training.
That's doesn't mean anything in this specific case, but for me, it shines a huge spotlight on some institutional problems that we have.
Everything might have been "legal" and within training guidelines, but the training is flat out wrong.
The Ferguson police chief needs to go. He handled the situation poorly by not getting his department involved in the community, not hiring enough black officers, and wasting American tax dollars on useless military equipment viewed as toys in a macho man's world. Not to mention, when things came to a boiling point, he stood up on stage like a deer in headlights. Incompetent to the bone, he was more or less a Walgreens security cop in power. Unqualified, trite in his non-actions ..... the situation boils down to gross mismanagement all around. Lead in your community ...... don't sit behind a desk and live in a status quo world. Push yourself. (portly man this chief was by the way - some walking around Ferguson could have helped him too - win/win!!!)
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Wow, you just bought that hook, line, and sinker. I mean, you're not even making it hard.
This will be my last statement to you:
I truly hope Augh you get out of life what you are looking for and all the injustices you feel are there are solved. My wife and I look forward to our continued close, personal friendships with diverse people of thought, race, religion, sexual preference, etc. We enjoy watching our son date someone that isn't his race....because it doesn't matter. We enjoy having our kids in a school in which they are a minority....because it doesn't matter. We enjoy providing money to causes that support people, regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, creed, etc. At the end of the day, we want to support good people that aspire to do good things and are willing to work hard, but ultimately do things for themselves in the long run.
God Bless you Augh, but just like I refuse to converse with BrandX for calling my wife a liar (he is a vile human being), I'm not going to tolerate your comments either.
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This will be my last statement to you:
I truly hope Augh you get out of life what you are looking for and all the injustices you feel are there are solved. My wife and I look forward to our continued close, personal friendships with diverse people of thought, race, religion, sexual preference, etc. We enjoy watching our son date someone that isn't his race....because it doesn't matter. We enjoy having our kids in a school in which they are a minority....because it doesn't matter. We enjoy providing money to causes that support people, regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, creed, etc. At the end of the day, we want to support good people that aspire to do good things and are willing to work hard, but ultimately do things for themselves in the long run.
God Bless you Augh, but just like I refuse to converse with BrandX for calling my wife a liar (he is a vile human being), I'm not going to tolerate your comments either.
Classic holier than though BS.
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Classic holier than though BS.
So Chico's is a racist, and when he defends himself with how his lifestyle is anything but he's holier than thou... Man he can't win can he?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/gYMkEMCHtJ4?color2=FBE9EC&version=3
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Is there going to be any release of the interviews and evidence the grand jury deliberated over?
I'd like to see it to really know, but if you want to make the decision to assault anyone that has lethal force, it's not going to end up well for you.
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120403/mcculloch-implicitly-conceded-need-wilson-trial-michael-brown
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120403/mcculloch-implicitly-conceded-need-wilson-trial-michael-brown
Nice flight simulator !!! When is this coming to Dave and Buster's ?
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Is there going to be any release of the interviews and evidence the grand jury deliberated over?
I'd like to see it to really know, but if you want to make the decision to assault anyone that has lethal force, it's not going to end up well for you.
The documents/evidence/transcripts were released:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/25/366507379/ferguson-docs-how-the-grand-jury-reached-a-decision#docs
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Nice flight simulator !!! When is this coming to Dave and Buster's ?
Uh...that's actual Warthog footage with several live fire runs. Still the most fun you can have with your pants on
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The Ferguson Grand Jury decision is extremely rare
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/
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The Ferguson Grand Jury decision is extremely rare
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/11/25/the-michael-brown-grand-jury-process-was-fair/
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This will be my last statement to you:
I truly hope Augh you get out of life what you are looking for and all the injustices you feel are there are solved. My wife and I look forward to our continued close, personal friendships with diverse people of thought, race, religion, sexual preference, etc. We enjoy watching our son date someone that isn't his race....because it doesn't matter. We enjoy having our kids in a school in which they are a minority....because it doesn't matter. We enjoy providing money to causes that support people, regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, creed, etc. At the end of the day, we want to support good people that aspire to do good things and are willing to work hard, but ultimately do things for themselves in the long run.
God Bless you Augh, but just like I refuse to converse with BrandX for calling my wife a liar (he is a vile human being), I'm not going to tolerate your comments either.
Once again - I never called your wife a liar. But just pretend you're Fox News and keep repeating it till people think it is true.
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Never mind.
Too much amateur psychology on my part with this one.
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I'm going to try and limit this single post to my only social media/internet post on this subject, lets see how that goes.
I think the one big takeaway I get from this situation, is that police officers do need to be monitored more frequently. And by that I mean, all cops in squad cars must have dash cams that also take in some kind of audio. I bet go pros attached to cops also would help.
I believe the above would help for 2 reasons. There are police officers out that exist out there that take advantage of the power they are given in ways that are not necessary, criminal, and sometimes evil. There are also police officers out there that are put in nearly impossible situations in which it can be easy to find crowds of individuals pointing the finger at that officer in blame.
I personally think the evidence here cannot allow Officer Wilson to be charged here with anything. The evidence (I have not gone through it myself, have only heard the statement from the prosecutor from last night) just does not add up to murder charges.
However, this would have been a lot more clear had there been some kind of device that Officer Wilson had that recorded this. I personally think that in this situation, having a GoPro attached to him would help clear his name.
I do also think that having a GoPro attached to other police officers would help cut down on police brutality and corruption, in both indicating the criminal behavior in video/audio as well as providing additional reasons why cops should not partake in such behaviors (they would know that their actions are recorded).
That said, I'm not going to pretend I'm a policing expert or anything. I'm not sure how much things like this would cost, or what kind of legality there is in having cops practically doubling as walking video cameras (when responding to calls in private businesses/personal homes, or even just grabbing a coffee at Starbucks).
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Hello and welcome to another locked political thread.
But. We're trying something new:
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