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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: DarkWarrior on November 23, 2014, 11:15:49 AM
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New coach, system changes, player changes.
We all knew this was probably not our year. If we are lucky, things may stabilize as the kids figure out Wojo's system and with a key player addition on 12/15. This is a time to just be part of the Marquette Basketball journey. The good days will be even brighter following these difficult moments. I am quite sure this is all 100X harder on the kids and WOJO in particular. I hated yesterday's game, it was painful to watch but I stayed until the last moment and cheered every play. Let's stay as positive as is possible, these kids need to know we are completely with them through thick and thin. That is part of what makes good programs become great programs. I am confident WOJO will make the right basketball moves, let's be the Fans he needs to succeed.
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New coach, system changes, player changes.
We all knew this was probably not our year. If we are lucky, things may stabilize as the kids figure out Wojo's system and with a key player addition on 12/15. This is a time to just be part of the Marquette Basketball journey. The good days will be even brighter following these difficult moments. I am quite sure this is all 100X harder on the kids and WOJO in particular. I hated yesterday's game, it was painful to watch but I stayed until the last moment and cheered every play. Let's stay as positive as is possible, these kids need to know we are completely with them through thick and thin. That is part of what makes good programs become great programs. I am confident WOJO will make the right basketball moves, let's be the Fans he needs to succeed.
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This team is learning a lot and while it probably won't be this year, we will need these kids to grow and become good players for us in the coming years. Losses are never fun, but the Marquette basketball team deserves our support through thick and thin. It may be harder to be a fan in the tough times, but they only make the good times that much more rewarding.
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Normally I'd think this post was corny, but in this case I support it. For some reason I feel yesterday will represent a rock bottom type moment and the program kind of needed an excuse to wipe the cow sh*t off the bottom of our shoes.
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Great post, Dark Warrior.
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I'm all for supporting the team and I do to the fullest, however these "kids" receive a free education and are playing in the highest level of college athletics. Losing to Omaha is inexcusable. There's no other way to put it.
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I'm all for supporting the team and I do to the fullest, however these "kids" receive a free education and are playing in the highest level of college athletics. Losing to Omaha is inexcusable. There's no other way to put it.
Yeah. It is excusable. They are still kids and they are representing Marquette. As bad as you think you feel, I am positive they feel 1,000 times worse, and their coach even worse than that. Winning is a process. It will take time. And if you can't cheer for these kids when times are rough, you don't deserve to cheer for them when they win.
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Yeah. It is excusable. They are still kids and they are representing Marquette. As bad as you think you feel, I am positive they feel 1,000 times worse, and their coach even worse than that. Winning is a process. It will take time. And if you can't cheer for these kids when times are rough, you don't deserve to cheer for them when they win.
This doesn't warrant a reply, but you won. In case you couldn't see it before I said "I'm all for supporting the team and I do to the fullest"
Glad to know I have to listen to some dumb ass telling me when I can and can't cheer for the team. Take the juice boxes and orange slices elsewhere.
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Could not agree more. Often "Boosters" are thought of as those that financially support a program. That is not always the case. One can be a "Booster" of a program simply by "buying in" for the long haul, continuing to go to games, and being a force of positivity.
Support this team. Choose to see the glass half full. Believe in this rebuilding process. Be a Marquette Booster.
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+1000000
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Yeah. It is excusable. They are still kids and they are representing Marquette. As bad as you think you feel, I am positive they feel 1,000 times worse, and their coach even worse than that. Winning is a process. It will take time. And if you can't cheer for these kids when times are rough, you don't deserve to cheer for them when they win.
Yup.
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This doesn't warrant a reply, but you won. In case you couldn't see it before I said "I'm all for supporting the team and I do to the fullest"
Glad to know I have to listen to some dumb ass telling me when I can and can't cheer for the team. Take the juice boxes and orange slices elsewhere.
Sorry, but the negativity of some people, especially when targeting these "kids" (as you like to use the quotes) that are giving their all representing you disgusts me. I think any fan that boos has no business calling themselves a fan and anyone that needs to tear these guys down on an internet message board comes across as the epitome of fair-weather. It's not just you personally, but anyone that can't support our team in the tough times too. If you just want to win all the time, go cheer for Duke or Kentucky or the Yankees.
YNWA
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Looks like the women's team may be having similar difficulties. Lost to D2 Lewis earlier (though Lewis is good). I'll go to a few games and keep supporting the guys...and girls. A little less vitriol makes the Board a more pleasant place.
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I was at MU during the bleakest of the Dukiet years. I have no problem supporting these guys because (A) I love MU and it appears that these are good kids. (B) Anybody who looked at this season with any amount of objectivity going in shouldn't be surprised. (C) I don't beat up college kids. New coach, inexperienced players with a lot of upside, no size, no depth, quality people. I am still all in, I just am not outcome oriented this season. Go Marquette!
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Great thread, agreed not fun but endure and support the journey, if you believe as I do that the stage is set for future success. Much work to do but the correct structure is in place for success to occur.
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Agree 100%. All great kids - met them at the BBQ, and they were wonderful representatives of the university. Wojo will get this thing back on track.
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Thank you for starting this thread. Tired of all the negativity that has already been hurled at the team and the coaches in the last almost 24 hours. You'd think by the general attitude we had an 88-game winning streak snapped yesterday. If you're going to turn against the team at the first sign of adversity, you most definitely aren't a fan. This team is a work in progress for both the players and the coaches and the future is bright.
Go Warriors!!
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I'm all for supporting the team and I do to the fullest, however these "kids" receive a free education and are playing in the highest level of college athletics. Losing to Omaha is inexcusable. There's no other way to put it.
oh, so what do you suggest we do? take away there scholarships? get down and give us 25? or fine them 2 library books?
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Well put. Agree %100
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I'm all for supporting the team and I do to the fullest, however these "kids" receive a free education and are playing in the highest level of college athletics. Losing to Omaha is inexcusable. There's no other way to put it.
i think if you're going to try and be a hard a$$, and make juice and orange slice comments, then you better realize the "free education" these "kids" get is a drop in the hat compared to what MU makes off of them...and you wouldn't have the guts to rip the ball boy to his face, let alone rip one of the players to their face. the fact, as you stated, that they are playing d1 ball probably means they know a thing or two about toughness and hard work.
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This doesn't warrant a reply, but you won. In case you couldn't see it before I said "I'm all for supporting the team and I do to the fullest"
Glad to know I have to listen to some dumb ass telling me when I can and can't cheer for the team. Take the juice boxes and orange slices elsewhere.
God you're a tool.
Anyone who breaks out "inexcusable!!!" after a loss deserves all the sh*t they get anyway.
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I'm like PRN. I usually don't like threads like these, but this is great. Everybody needs to just calm down.
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Sorry, but the negativity of some people, especially when targeting these "kids" (as you like to use the quotes) that are giving their all representing you disgusts me. I think any fan that boos has no business calling themselves a fan and anyone that needs to tear these guys down on an internet message board comes across as the epitome of fair-weather. It's not just you personally, but anyone that can't support our team in the tough times too. If you just want to win all the time, go cheer for Duke or Kentucky or the Yankees.
YNWA
Fans boo the home team all the time. It is your right to do that when you pay for your ticket. Fans get frustrated and if they want to voice their displeasure by booing, then so be it. To say they're fair weather fans is false imo. I think it shows they're passionate.
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1. You don't boo your team. Ever. You think they are not trying to win? It is frustrating and watching the fine, being there, was frustrating. But you don't boo. That's like applauding when an opponent gets hurt. You don't do that.
2. It is easy to support a winning team. But the team needs to be supported all the time. It is tough when they lose or we get frustrated because we think they should be better. I'm guilty of that too. But I will support the team. And never boo them
Good post DW. Thanks for the reminder.
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1. You don't boo your team. Ever. You think they are not trying to win? It is frustrating and watching the fine, bring there, was frustrating. But you don't boo. That's like applauding when an opponent gets hurt. You don't do that.
2. It is easy to support a winning team. But the team needs to be sussported all the time. It is tough when they lose or we get frustrated because we think they should be better. I'm guilty of that too. But I will support the team. And never boo them
Good post DW. Thanks for the reminder.
BS! I'm a Packer season ticket holder and they get booed periodically. Packer fans are known as the most loyal fans there are. It happens. It's high major basketball, not grade school. It is nothing like applauding when an opponent gets hurt ::)
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BS! I'm a Packer season ticket holder and they get booed periodically. Packer fans are known as the most loyal fans there are. It happens. It's high major basketball, not grade school. It is nothing like applauding when an opponent gets hurt ::)
If you want to boo your Packerss who get paid millions of dollars a year for doing their job (yes it's their job) go ahead I guess. Our team is made up of students, who are compensated with scholarships, but are students.
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Fans boo the home team all the time. It is your right to do that when you pay for your ticket. Fans get frustrated and if they want to voice their displeasure by booing, then so be it. To say they're fair weather fans is false imo. I think it shows they're passionate.
The purpose of fans at a game is to support the team. They cheer them on and heckle the opponents. What possible benefit could there be to booing your own team? Seems like you are just shooting yourself in the foot. If your team is struggling, that's when they need your cheers the most.
As Daniel pointed out, I think there is a difference between booing professionals and booing student athletes. I agree it's not as bad as cheering an opponents injury (Fing auburn fans) but I don't think it is right.
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The purpose of fans at a game is to support the team. They cheer them on and heckle the opponents. What possible benefit could there be to booing your own team? Seems like you are just shooting yourself in the foot. If your team is struggling, that's when they need your cheers the most.
As Daniel pointed out, I think there is a difference between booing professionals and booing student athletes. I agree it's not as bad as cheering an opponents injury (Fing auburn fans) but I don't think it is right.
I'm not even saying that I boo. I'm just saying I have no issue if you want to, as you paid your money for your ticket and if you don't like what your seeing, more power to you. I am not the moral police and neither is anyone else on this board.
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The purpose of fans at a game is to support the team. They cheer them on and heckle the opponents. What possible benefit could there be to booing your own team? Seems like you are just shooting yourself in the foot. If your team is struggling, that's when they need your cheers the most.
As Daniel pointed out, I think there is a difference between booing professionals and booing student athletes. I agree it's not as bad as cheering an opponents injury (Fing auburn fans) but I don't think it is right.
So let me ask for discussion sake...does it change things when college players start getting paid and are professionals? Media critique college players pretty thoroughly today like they are pros, how is that different for fans in the future?
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1. You don't boo your team. Ever.
But what about all those time the home team's fans started booing their team and suddenly you can see in their eyes..."oh, you want us to win, you crazy fans, why didn't you say so" then they go on a 30-0 run and win the game.
It happens all the time, right. How else are the players supposed to know what to do unless the fans of superior intelligence convey it to them in the form of booing?
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The purpose of fans at a game is to support the team. They cheer them on and heckle the opponents. What possible benefit could there be to booing your own team? Seems like you are just shooting yourself in the foot. If your team is struggling, that's when they need your cheers the most.
As Daniel pointed out, I think there is a difference between booing professionals and booing student athletes. I agree it's not as bad as cheering an opponents injury (Fing auburn fans) but I don't think it is right.
YES! YES! YES! Let's stand up and clap our hands for these kids not giving enough effort. Didn't Pavlov teach you anything? How about we all stand up and start singing Kumbaya. Maybe we will get back in transition then.
Juan Andersen isn't playing defense my lord...... Kumbaya
Matt Carlino didn't hustle back my lord....... Kumbaya
Steve Taylor didn't box out my lord ......... Kumbaya
Nooooo One Hustles my lord ........ Kumbaya
Everybody Stand Up and Cheer !!!
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Branded!
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How cute and Pollyanna. Of course these guys aren't pros, but that doesn't mean the performance yesterday wasn't abysmal. We can support them and be critical at the same time.
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Hang on… Help is on the Way. They'll be there as fast as they can!
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Sorry, but the negativity of some people, especially when targeting these "kids" (as you like to use the quotes) that are giving their all representing you disgusts me. I think any fan that boos has no business calling themselves a fan and anyone that needs to tear these guys down on an internet message board comes across as the epitome of fair-weather. It's not just you personally, but anyone that can't support our team in the tough times too. If you just want to win all the time, go cheer for Duke or Kentucky or the Yankees.
YNWA
Yanks have not been doing that great either.
Life Long Yankee Fan
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I'm not even saying that I boo. I'm just saying I have no issue if you want to, as you paid your money for your ticket and if you don't like what your seeing, more power to you. I am not the moral police and neither is anyone else on this board.
You pay for a ticket to watch the game. That doesn't give you an unspoken right to deride the people paying said game. Just because you spent a few bucks doesn't give carte blanche to be a jerk.
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Yeah. It is excusable. They are still kids and they are representing Marquette. As bad as you think you feel, I am positive they feel 1,000 times worse, and their coach even worse than that. Winning is a process. It will take time. And if you can't cheer for these kids when times are rough, you don't deserve to cheer for them when they win.
What a mature viewpoint as to a Selfish one wrapped in hollow words!
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You pay for a ticket to watch the game. That doesn't give you an unspoken right to deride the people paying said game. Just because you spent a few bucks doesn't give carte blanche to be a jerk.
I disagree. You can boo till your lungs explode if you don't like what you see. Again, I'm not saying I do this, but I understand people who do. They pay big bucks and if they feel like their team is giving a lackluster effort, I can understand their frustration. Right or wrong, it is what it is. Why boo or heckle the opposing teams players then? They are college kids too.
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I disagree. You can boo till your lungs explode if you don't like what you see. Again, I'm not saying I do this, but I understand people who do. They pay big bucks and if they feel like their team is giving a lackluster effort, I can understand their frustration. Right or wrong, it is what it is. Why boo or heckle the opposing teams players then? They are college kids too.
You are wrong. As brew said, you don't have an "unspoken right" to do anything at a sporting event. MU can boot you from the game if you "boo til your lungs explode" if they wish.
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MU can boot you from the game if you "boo til your lungs explode" if they wish.
I'm thinking MU would do well this year by not evicting any of their few paying customers...
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I am supporting this team, win or lose, far greater than last year's. This is a bump in the road in the big picture IMO. Better things down the road.
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You are wrong. As brew said, you don't have an "unspoken right" to do anything at a sporting event. MU can boot you from the game if you "boo til your lungs explode" if they wish.
Clearly, you don't work in customer service or marketing.
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Is Ellisium a new poster or an identity changer. Or a badger troll?
Just trying to keep the players straight.
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Is Ellisium a new poster or an identity changer. Or a badger troll?
Just trying to keep the players straight.
Identity changer.
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Is Ellisium a new poster or an identity changer. Or a badger troll?
Just trying to keep the players straight.
Born an MU fan. Proponent of critical analysis for the betterment of society. Kin of the Dark One
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I won't be booing the team. And I'll gladly attend most games. But I do think it's my right to be critical of poor performance with most of that criticism directed at the head coach. It's Wojo's responsibility to have the team ready to play. And he gets huge money to make sure that a very well funded program succeeds. I've seen in other threads that these aren't 'his' recruits. That's an excuse. We have loads of talented players. Maybe not enough to compete against tOSU right now. No issues on my part with that. But with Omaha? Spare me. So here's the charge. In Wojo's own words, 'Win every day.'
I'd suggest tonight might be a good time to start. Then if we see some growth in Orlando win or lose, all good.
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I am supporting this team, win or lose, far greater than last year's. This is a bump in the road in the big picture IMO. Better things down the road.
Goose, I agree.
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Is Ellisium a new poster or an identity changer. Or a badger troll?
Just trying to keep the players straight.
MikeDeane'sdarkglasses.
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I don't boo MU BB even from the friendly confines of my own home.
And I'm not allowed to swear out loud either
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So let me ask for discussion sake...does it change things when college players start getting paid and are professionals? Media critique college players pretty thoroughly today like they are pros, how is that different for fans in the future?
A difficult and interesting question. I say no. I don't think student atheltes will ever make more than a stipend. I wouldn't consider them professionals, closer to para-professionals. Of course I could be completely wrong on this. I also don't boo my own professional teams. But am more accepting of those who do.
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YES! YES! YES! Let's stand up and clap our hands for these kids not giving enough effort. Didn't Pavlov teach you anything? How about we all stand up and start singing Kumbaya. Maybe we will get back in transition then.
Juan Andersen isn't playing defense my lord...... Kumbaya
Matt Carlino didn't hustle back my lord....... Kumbaya
Steve Taylor didn't box out my lord ......... Kumbaya
Nooooo One Hustles my lord ........ Kumbaya
Everybody Stand Up and Cheer !!!
Be critical all you want after the game. That's why I come to this site. To discuss Marquette basketball, especially where we are struggling. But during the game it is counterproductive to boo your own team. Will cheering help them win? I don't know. But I know booing them will help them lose.